[SPEAKER_02]: Hi, I'm Matt Leib, and I'm Vince Manzini, and this is Matt, you're so odd, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know Marilyn Manson yeah if you like talked about girls he if he was from Brooklyn in the
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[SPEAKER_17]: I think it was Wayne Gritzky.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, again, we're watching Madman season for episode nine.
[SPEAKER_02]: W. The full Goals and we have a fantastic guest.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know him, you love him, returning champion.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's our main man.
[SPEAKER_02]: R-O-G-R-W-R-R-I-D-I, he's the editor and co-owner of Defector, ladies and gentlemen, everyone else, he's back.
[SPEAKER_02]: David Roth.
[SPEAKER_16]: Hey, how's it going?
[SPEAKER_16]: Uh, really enjoyed hearing you guys say beautiful girls a bunch of times.
[SPEAKER_16]: He's a nice girl.
[SPEAKER_18]: He's a beautiful girl, he's a beautiful girl, it's David Roth.
[SPEAKER_16]: David Roth loves people with a beautiful
[SPEAKER_16]: I think we've also now, I mean, just Matt, maybe gave the game away.
[SPEAKER_16]: We've dodged the bullet on one possible, but a B story type song.
[SPEAKER_16]: Now, you wouldn't do Marilyn Manson there and then do Marilyn Manson.
[SPEAKER_16]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_16]: You know he's very well.
[SPEAKER_16]: He's grown.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know me very well.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know that I wouldn't just give, give it away.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would be insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would be insane thing to do.
[SPEAKER_16]: No, probably be like White Zombie.
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, it's probably going to be really a Rob Zombie solo.
[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, yeah, I mean, I would give it away by the red-out chili peppers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that would be pretty good, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not, it's not a era appropriate.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't listen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have said multiple times that I will not necessarily always do a era appropriate draper D stories or body B story, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: So sometimes I will switch it up a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: But
[SPEAKER_02]: This episode.
[SPEAKER_17]: No one cares.
[SPEAKER_17]: You follow your heart, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I forget that no one cares I forget that's why it's fun.
[SPEAKER_17]: I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I keep forgetting.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why it's funny to me All the work you put in I put it a lot of work and nobody cares
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, speaking of people appreciated.
[SPEAKER_16]: They don't have to care to appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: That's nice.
[SPEAKER_16]: That's like a, you know, little extra.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a, it's an extra treat for the hogs out there who, you know, I think at this point demand the treats.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: David.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've been on this podcast now.
[SPEAKER_02]: You are our, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: One, maybe there are two other guests who also return every season.
[SPEAKER_02]: You of course are our favorite because you also return every single time we change shows.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have now done three, what's your favorite advertisements?
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm going to ask you for a fourth time.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's your favorite advertisement?
[SPEAKER_16]: So, you know, we're pretty far down the, like, we're off the podium.
[SPEAKER_16]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like, this is like a, others receiving votes.
[SPEAKER_16]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_17]: This is the jury, the jury prize.
[SPEAKER_16]: Right.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: But one that I, what was it the audience award?
[SPEAKER_16]: I think it's audience award.
[SPEAKER_16]: Right.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's a good idea.
[SPEAKER_16]: But go ahead.
[SPEAKER_16]: Shortly, the jury prize would be like the, the palm door, which I believe is the first one that I talked about on here was the quiz-nose
[SPEAKER_16]: I'm trying to remember the other ones I talked about like big red and juicy fruit that sounds right now because that was like Like I basically thought as a child that chewing gum was the same thing as having sex with a woman Yeah, I mean it's like the same sensations Because it may be like slightly less intense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, those are closest we got to like smoking a cigarette You know, I was like I'm just gonna chew gum really red.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's an adult flavor But I appreciate it my palette is refined to do it
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I like the big red is also because it's spicy or like, ooh, damn.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's spicy foods.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, a big red, right?
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, you didn't know.
[SPEAKER_16]: You can make it Thai spicy.
[SPEAKER_16]: I chewed a piece of big red on the way over here.
[SPEAKER_16]: And a mild cinnamon flavor for 25 seconds.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: And if I remember hurting, that's what I remember.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tents.
[SPEAKER_16]: But that's just the first time.
[SPEAKER_16]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_16]: The episode, the
[SPEAKER_16]: advertisement that I'll talk about here is when I talked about the distraction with Dr. McGarry this week.
[SPEAKER_16]: It was kind of the end of an episode for the associating thing and I was remembering and add that I think you may be both are too young to remember for Purdue.
[SPEAKER_16]: Chicken.
[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, I love the chicken.
[SPEAKER_16]: The chicken concern where it was built around the idea that you would Everybody when you rose to chicken you eat some of it and then you put it in the fridge and everybody's picking away at it over the next few things grabbing little finger falls and you know taking little pieces Yeah, it's dripping the darkest
[SPEAKER_16]: Yes, and that is basically what the ad is.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's a shot from behind the chicken looking out of the fridge and it's just people reaching in and taking it and there's a song that as with a lot of songs back then for commercials, it was like easy for me to imagine them getting like we got to get the best session guys.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's going to get them in the studio.
[SPEAKER_16]: We wrote this jingle.
[SPEAKER_17]: get the wrecking crew in here.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, they're in like the cat yeah, right?
[SPEAKER_16]: It's like the like basically all the people that play the instruments on all of Al Green's best friends.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, man.
[SPEAKER_16]: And to do a song where it's people singing in a very annoying voice going pick pick pick pick.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like sort of like a chicken, but sort of like a man.
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, I had found it guys.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, all right.
[SPEAKER_16]: You want to play that beast?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you do it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Pick up a big juicy produce of a super roaster every week.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now always be something around and pick off.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: So I still hear this in my head around Thanksgiving where I'm like this is it you made it like you came out the other side It's horrible like it is one of those things where like stripping the carcass is what you're doing But we don't use words like that because it's gross like that's the thing that hyenas do right that I do Doing all song grave robber
[SPEAKER_02]: What you doing in there?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just pick it off a little bits of flesh from this gold dead chicken.
[SPEAKER_16]: I'm harvesting edible bits And this long dead bird
[SPEAKER_16]: that this is an insane song.
[SPEAKER_16]: I didn't say it's all right.
[SPEAKER_16]: So you can see how that would, like if it gets you the wrong way when you're like seven or eight years old.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like bonkers ads or they like fall through the ceiling or whatever, I was like that as a fucking extreme candy.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_17]: Well, it's like a Halloween, it's like a, it should have been some price for us over.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's basically like... For anyone, for you, well, everyone's listening.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, they're just, the chickens getting smaller as little bits and pieces are.
[SPEAKER_02]: They hold off the carcass.
[SPEAKER_17]: By, they were going for chicken sounds, but they kind of got halfway into an evil witch singing sound.
[SPEAKER_02]: But also, if they're going, I don't know why they're going for chicken sounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because why would I want the the soul of most dead chickens to sing at me, the streak of the animal being desecrated, right?
[SPEAKER_16]: It's like you're hearing over an umpob beat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's going to end in out and eating a burger is singing a mo mo mo mo.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like that.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, so that's one that's stayed with me.
[SPEAKER_16]: I wouldn't say it's my favorite ad, but it's the one that haunts me the most Me from my youth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's got like the self.
[SPEAKER_16]: You're staring at it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like that pick pick pick is an earworm and it's gonna be in my head for a long time
[SPEAKER_17]: We don't have pretty chicken on the west coast, so I never got to be traumatized by what is the that's interesting We have foster farms.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why we have foster farms.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder why that is I guess because of far stars in not big enough because the fosters
[SPEAKER_17]: No, I don't know, it may be it's a Helman's best foods situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's right.
[SPEAKER_16]: There's no Helmans out there.
[SPEAKER_16]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_16]: No best foods out here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's the same maker, the same Lego.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like Hardy's Carl's junior.
[SPEAKER_16]: You know, if you not, so you don't get Helmans ads, like if you're watching like a baseball.
[SPEAKER_17]: No, we get it's bringing out the best foods and bringing out the best.
[SPEAKER_16]: That's blown my mind right now.
[SPEAKER_16]: So seeing Jingle, they just flip it.
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, I'm glad that more work for Jingle singers.
[SPEAKER_16]: That's yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: I'm going to, I'm in an abundance mindset.
[SPEAKER_16]: I'm thinking about job creation, right?
[SPEAKER_16]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_16]: We got it.
[SPEAKER_17]: We've been doing this shit since my country is of the, it's the, it's the American way.
[SPEAKER_17]: We like that.
[SPEAKER_17]: That's what Matt's doing.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's really like the most American thing.
[SPEAKER_17]: Everything is on and repurposing it to be about a thing that you care.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll never say it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is like this is a country built on parodies.
[SPEAKER_16]: That's a lot of evil.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's a carousel.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_16]: It needs back home.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a, hey, remember that thing for ever till you're dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this isn't a show about remembering that thing for ever till you're dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, this is a show about Mad Men.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we of course cannot start the podcast without first playing the theme song.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh no!
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, right, my fucker today, once again, we're talking about from Season 4, madman episode 9 The Beautiful Girls Vince, can you break us off a little piece of that synopsis?
[SPEAKER_17]: I sure can, Peggy is forced to face some unpleasant facts about a client's discriminatory business practices, Dawn and phase burgeoning relationship is tested when Sally runs away and Roger pays a black guy to mug him so that he can fuck Joan in the alley.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that is exactly what happens, it's actually accurate, but Vince, what was happening at the time that this episode is set in?
[SPEAKER_17]: That's right, Matt.
[SPEAKER_17]: I think what you're trying to say is we can not evaluate a period piece divorced from its period context.
[SPEAKER_17]: We like to put some of that context back in with a little segment that we call the news machine.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want my ass from Wall Street Journal.
[SPEAKER_04]: There is no big lie, there is no system.
[SPEAKER_12]: The universe is indifferent.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's fucking in there.
[SPEAKER_16]: One of us.
[SPEAKER_17]: But they were going all watching this episode takes us back to September 19th, 2010, when it aired.
[SPEAKER_17]: So that means we're going all the way back to September 19th, 1965, this is from the Los Angeles Times.
[SPEAKER_17]: This is just a random classified ad in the middle of one of the pages, header, intelligent, stable family.
[SPEAKER_17]: Uh, and held in stable family needed to provide private room board and participation in family life to bright young girl, convalescing from an emotional illness.
[SPEAKER_17]: Professional guidance available Beverly Hills.
[SPEAKER_02]: that is incredible to do a intelligent stable family wanted one thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like Sally Draver.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So some there's a way.
[SPEAKER_17]: How old is the girl accomplishing from an emotional illness does not say her age.
[SPEAKER_17]: Right.
[SPEAKER_17]: And she would like an intelligent stable family to provide her room board and participation and participation in family life.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love this.
[SPEAKER_16]: Maybe or just like looking for a temporary, the idea of like this young child recovering from an emotional trauma, interviewing potential, you know, which is sending a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, does she have an office?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_17]: She's got a clipboard out.
[SPEAKER_17]: She's I don't know if I like the dynamic between you two right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: You see, I have a four clock with the Johnson's.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have to wrap this up.
[SPEAKER_16]: Where would you say
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, I can't tell if this is a sad story or sort of story about a vundercint.
[SPEAKER_17]: Hmm, yeah.
[SPEAKER_17]: What would you say your greatest strengths and weaknesses as a provider are?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you have to rank your children.
[SPEAKER_02]: would you say is number one, and is there room for growth for me?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's why I'll do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's cool.
[SPEAKER_16]: That's a good sense of how good things were.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 65.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it also could be just a really funny kid who wants to bottom add just on their dad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just on the wants to dunk on their parents.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that'd be hilarious.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like I choose to think it's that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's happy story.
[SPEAKER_17]: Um, ground up to going up to the San Francisco Chronicle next, uh, the headline on this one is the Pope on mixed marriage.
[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, I know.
[SPEAKER_17]: I just thought I would quiz you guys on what you think they mean by mixed marriage here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Catholics and Protestants 100%.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, it has to be right.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_17]: God, you got it right away.
[SPEAKER_17]: No, that can inform it said yesterday.
[SPEAKER_17]: Pope John Paul the six.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yo, sorry.
[SPEAKER_17]: Slow down the six.
[SPEAKER_17]: Slow down.
[SPEAKER_17]: They got snitches.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got snitches.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Kids and servants sourced deep within the conclead.
[SPEAKER_17]: That I think that's a snitch heavy environment I would imagine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I admit, but but still, though, I feel like damn you're snitching on the Pope.
[SPEAKER_02]: This, yeah, you're snitching on the Pope.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like if you believe in the Pope, aren't you automatically going to hell?
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, but you get to go out to dinner with a reporter from the San Francisco Chronicle.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but before the the eternal flames, I get to have surf and turf.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_17]: I mean, the like the fact that they had to get an informant in to get this information is crazy.
[SPEAKER_17]: Vatican informants said yesterday, Pope Paul VI will change Roman Catholic mixed marriage laws by the end of the month to remove what Protestants regard as a sore point.
[SPEAKER_17]: A signed promise to raise children as a signed promise to raise children as Catholics.
[SPEAKER_17]: They will still have to promise the informant said, but it will be oral instead of written.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay, I mean, progress is progress, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the arc of justice is slow, but it bends towards mixed marriages.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so funny that there's a bunch of Catholics and Protestants out there who think there's a difference.
[SPEAKER_17]: We're actually in an interracial relationship.
[SPEAKER_17]: Right.
[SPEAKER_16]: I just love that Darren ought to speak its name.
[SPEAKER_17]: We were, we were like a surprisingly willing to see past each other's thoughts on trans substantiation.
[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, that's so crazy.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's pretty heated sometimes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's what keeps it for.
[SPEAKER_02]: But is it the same thing with like people who are like, what are the different Protestant things?
[SPEAKER_02]: Lutheran and Methodist opinion that is like, are they?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that a thing where they're like, oh, you're not, you're not a Lutheran?
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably, right?
[SPEAKER_17]: Probably for some of them, if you're not like a Baptist or a Pentecostal, probably.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: I like that the strongest growth in American Christianity is people that just like go to church in a mall and like don't have like any denomination with any of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_16]: They're just sort of like my the guy that I listened to that tells me God stuff like looks exactly like Roger Clemens and it's like always wearing shorts out there.
[SPEAKER_17]: Like he's always reading from the Joel Austin Logan Paul translation of the Bible.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is, I think it feels like a uniquely American type of religion, one in which number when you have to go to a mall in order to talk to God, and then when you get there, there's no real like, I don't know, liturgy,
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, it's just like stuff like it's a version of Christianity, which is basically like just memes that the guy remembers Right Like as a Christian and then you could just say whatever intolerant thing you want after right let me tell you guys about who the original Honey Badger was
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it does feel like just when you drop any pretense of like, oh, we have to follow, you know, this book or that book by the letter of the letter, it's just like, you just take an oxy clean ad and replace oxy clean with Jesus.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, I mean, he's a, yeah, like, laughing that on whatever's leaking out.
[SPEAKER_17]: This is not for people who know how to interpret the written words more, I mean, you know, whatever, I guess that was the original yet someone do the interpreting for you and you just kind of listen.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a it's a copy of a copy of a copy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like every church in a mall is the fourth Michael Keaton in multiplicity.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, this is actually an interview with an author, but I thought this just really does a good job of situating us in the in the politics of the times.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's from the Los Angeles time.
[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, who done it goes political?
[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, and I don't know what he's I don't know what voice he's trying to write this in but just go with me here Yeah, now the way I see it.
[SPEAKER_17]: There's this magnificent blonde life long-lived her Cap deon team Sun Tan glowing like a neon ad beneath the Maribou trim chiffon negligee
[SPEAKER_17]: Wild, right?
[SPEAKER_17]: And she's got this kill or be killed espionage agent in her arms.
[SPEAKER_17]: You really love me, Sherry?
[SPEAKER_17]: She whispers, nibbling his earlobe.
[SPEAKER_17]: Really, baby, he replies, nibbling hers.
[SPEAKER_17]: Then, Pam, Pam!
[SPEAKER_17]: He hits her with 245 slugs in dead center naval, because he knows that under that scanty fruit fruit, she's nothing but a liberal rat think.
[SPEAKER_17]: And he's a killer be killed espionage agent with the conscience of a conservative.
[SPEAKER_17]: Um, lots of questions.
[SPEAKER_17]: First was it just, yeah, let me keep going.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the on a monopy of Pam Pam or bad?
[SPEAKER_17]: I was very weird to me.
[SPEAKER_17]: I would have thought BAM would be the way.
[SPEAKER_17]: Maybe he had a silencer on it and the silencer says Pam.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_17]: Um, his name is Tiger Man, and he was created from a rib of my camera by that all seeing literary god, Mickey Spalane.
[SPEAKER_17]: Tiger, Mickey explained to me, is a character like my camera.
[SPEAKER_17]: He's rough, tough secret agent, but there's a difference.
[SPEAKER_17]: The difference that appears is that my camera, even in a, sorry, that my camera lived in a political void.
[SPEAKER_17]: He went around killing lovely women regardless of race, creed, color, or party affiliation.
[SPEAKER_05]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_17]: Tiger Man, the hero of Spalaine's new paperback, Bloody Sunrise, is somewhere off to the right of John Russelo, and only shoots lovely women he suspects of being comedy sims.
[SPEAKER_17]: You know, did he write simps?
[SPEAKER_17]: I got.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_17]: I think he still simps with a Y, so.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, sympathizers.
[SPEAKER_16]: I like it though.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: He hadn't invented the concept of simping.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: He's like a three years away from being born.
[SPEAKER_16]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_16]: The twist.
[SPEAKER_16]: It was like record scratch.
[SPEAKER_16]: Get this.
[SPEAKER_16]: He's an asshole.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a politics.
[SPEAKER_05]: How fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you tired of reading books where the protagonist just kills women willy-nilly?
[SPEAKER_16]: What if you knew that he was doing it because of his deeply held right-wing ideology?
[SPEAKER_16]: That make it more interesting to you.
[SPEAKER_17]: Now are you horny?
[SPEAKER_17]: This is like I swear this is like the the birth of the alt right here I figured Mickey said in an accent that never left Brooklyn.
[SPEAKER_17]: I'm a big tax payer I got a right to complain like anybody else.
[SPEAKER_17]: I don't go foot and this is a far with F.A.
[SPEAKER_17]: and a apostrophe I don't go for these federal giveaways or that foreign aid stuff and I'm no lover of the UN It just makes us look like Uncle Sap
[SPEAKER_17]: Okay, so is this still the character?
[SPEAKER_17]: No, this is the actual author talking.
[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, the author speaks like this.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yes, according to the writer of this article, this is how the author speaks.
[SPEAKER_17]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_17]: I love that for him.
[SPEAKER_17]: He stroked a tiny pair of gold handcuffs.
[SPEAKER_17]: He was wearing as a tie class.
[SPEAKER_17]: Then continued.
[SPEAKER_17]: So I thought up this character, tiger man.
[SPEAKER_17]: He's a glamour boy secret agent, but he's a political conservative.
[SPEAKER_17]: And I can say things through him.
[SPEAKER_17]: In the books, he works for a group of wealthy industrialists.
[SPEAKER_17]: They use them as a trouble shooter to protect their investments from commis abroad.
[SPEAKER_17]: And you know, a big government home, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_17]: You know, socialism.
[SPEAKER_17]: You know, cool shit like that.
[SPEAKER_17]: You didn't invent it, the Christmas adventures, but like I said, yeah, it's so wild.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just the veneration of like, oh, this guy is not just any secret agent.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a cog in the machine that crushes human flesh and he doesn't work for the government.
[SPEAKER_16]: He works it.
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, those guys are fucking soft.
[SPEAKER_16]: What he works for is like, try to imagine your boss's boss is bossing.
[SPEAKER_18]: He wasn't like the last heir to the DePont family, who's actually a hemophilia.
[SPEAKER_18]: So he can't do none of this chute stuff on his own.
[SPEAKER_17]: He can't lift his arm that high, but it'd be very sensitive to a two-door light when he goes inside.
[SPEAKER_17]: This guy is like the Taylor Sheridan of 1965.
[SPEAKER_16]: Andre Percent.
[SPEAKER_16]: He was a big deal.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like he, I know the name.
[SPEAKER_16]: I know the name.
[SPEAKER_16]: I read his book.
[SPEAKER_16]: So yeah, they've completely vanished from the culture.
[SPEAKER_16]: But I remember like the my camera as like a name.
[SPEAKER_16]: They are on the Sonte played him in at least one movie.
[SPEAKER_16]: And it was basically this.
[SPEAKER_16]: It was like him like romancing women and then shooting them and being like, You bitch.
[UNKNOWN]: You're just like, you're completely harmless.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_17]: Our Monde Sante as my camera is a very repert-grint as Ron Wiesley's situation where you know whether the character name or the actual name is better.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: I don't believe anyone ever played Tiger Man on film.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, someone please a Dap Tiger Man.
[SPEAKER_16]: This sounds incredible.
[SPEAKER_16]: There was a bar called Mickey Spalines by Link near the port authority bus station in New York City for a while.
[SPEAKER_16]: I don't know if it's still there.
[SPEAKER_16]: I'm going to look that up.
[SPEAKER_02]: What so was it his pen name or was he name himself after the bar is a bar named after him?
[SPEAKER_17]: Tiger man, he went on to him.
[SPEAKER_17]: Is no bircher or anything like that because I don't fool around with politics.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like this guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just OG dumb guy right winger.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a left right bircher, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just happen to believe in everything that the most evil Nazis in hell would believe.
[SPEAKER_17]: I don't fool around with politics, but he's like me strictly on the conservative side.
[SPEAKER_17]: What do they call it?
[SPEAKER_17]: Jeffersonian type democracy.
[SPEAKER_17]: Constitutional American.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I guess that's what I am.
[SPEAKER_17]: I'm just not that liberal type that says give everything to everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm the type of guy who sees someone suffering and tries to find out why he deserves it.
[SPEAKER_16]: This is a really funny bit too to be like in the like the long island mug voice that you've got to use to be like Jeff is Sony, you know, fair taxation.
[SPEAKER_16]: We don't penalize people with a death tax, but just for being successful.
[SPEAKER_18]: Like it's like I don't, I don't really kind of know to punish and job creators.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm sort of a guy who believes that on occasion, the tree of liberty is got to be wanted by the blood of tyrant.
[SPEAKER_18]: Sometimes I wanted the tree of liberty with the urine that I that I keep in a job because my boss won't let me take bathroom breaks.
[SPEAKER_16]: So I hope happy little better, I say.
[SPEAKER_16]: I'm happy to report that Mickey Spalains and Hell's Kitchen, near the bus station, still open, and there's one on Long Island, unsurprisingly, Eastchester.
[SPEAKER_16]: So we're in Eastchester, kill yourself.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_17]: Opus has no broads allowed on the other side.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, no broads.
[SPEAKER_16]: You just got to know when you go in there, that there's like a big risk of being murdered.
[SPEAKER_16]: If you seem like a comedy simp.
[SPEAKER_17]: Dude, I'm a big taxpayer, the Mick repeated, and I don't like certain things that are going on in the government.
[SPEAKER_17]: So I love a big taxpayer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love a big taxpayer.
[SPEAKER_02]: What does that mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, as opposed to everyone else, just like, yeah, I'm not really into paying taxes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm just saying that.
[SPEAKER_17]: We were interrupted by a leaf, long-limbed blonde, who looked so much like a page out of spleen that I feared for her life.
[SPEAKER_17]: My wife, Mickey said, funny the way I met her.
[SPEAKER_17]: We needed to cover for a book of mine, so we called an agency and said, send up a blonde with good legs.
[SPEAKER_17]: We just want the back of her for a picture.
[SPEAKER_17]: We don't care if she looks like a dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: Barck, yes, and I can't give you your tweet.
[SPEAKER_18]: If you do anything but Barck, I'll fucking kill you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Still good match.
[SPEAKER_02]: That he died in prison, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, this others.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was charged with murdering someone eventually.
[SPEAKER_16]: I would love to, I don't wonder when and where he passed because I feel like this, I want to believe that he like lived long enough to have like Barack Obama be as president.
[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, this guy's, that's dumb.
[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, we kind of died in 2006.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am going to live forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yo, that is crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a crazy shot.
[SPEAKER_17]: He lives so long.
[SPEAKER_17]: That he concluded nodding at his bride is her.
[SPEAKER_17]: She smiled and there was a brief silence, which I quickly broke.
[SPEAKER_17]: What about Tiger Man?
[SPEAKER_17]: Is he married in your book?
[SPEAKER_17]: He's got a girl, make you reply.
[SPEAKER_17]: Rodine, an English girl who works for the British Embassy.
[SPEAKER_17]: She's a secret agent too, and she's in sympathy with his conservative ideas.
[SPEAKER_17]: Y'all nice.
[SPEAKER_17]: Even though, even though Mickey added, she comes from a socialist-type country.
[SPEAKER_17]: A socialist?
[SPEAKER_17]: You know, the socialist-type country of England.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, one that gives everybody health care, even if they have a different college skin.
[SPEAKER_17]: Did you take an active part in the last national elections I asked?
[SPEAKER_17]: No, he said, I don't vote.
[SPEAKER_17]: What about the election before that?
[SPEAKER_17]: He shook his head.
[SPEAKER_17]: I don't vote.
[SPEAKER_17]: He told me, I don't fool around with politics.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's too complicated for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: All I want is just simple life.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want a wife who doesn't look like a dog, and I want to write books about killing her.
[SPEAKER_16]: No, I think he said he wanted a wife who does look like a dog.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, I think it's not important to him whether the wife looks like a dog.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, she's blonde and has good legs.
[SPEAKER_17]: You could have the face of a whimeriner.
[SPEAKER_17]: It doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, that's actually a pretty handsome dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you could have a face.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why do you name the hottest dog?
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, that is notably the hottest dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, um, incredible story.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I want to start a news podcast in which we just review Mickey's playing stuff.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, I knew there's like a hundred novels.
[SPEAKER_16]: He's got a lot.
[SPEAKER_16]: He wrote a lot.
[SPEAKER_17]: This year this guy seems like the kind of guy who writes like more novels than the beach boys have albums.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, I can't imagine it was he was exactly dragging this stuff out like I'm blocked I'm not really feeling it today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm just so mad about the fair housing Well, so that is now I think we're very properly contextual Yes, I you know, I wanted to read more stories, but that was so good.
[SPEAKER_17]: I just had to give you most of it.
[SPEAKER_17]: You did the right
[SPEAKER_02]: God damn, it's like I almost want more of it, but this is a madman podcast, and we are forced because of that structure to listen to this draperty story.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of you are going to say, hey, this is not aeropropriate.
[SPEAKER_02]: The sample in the back of this song is aeropropriate.
[SPEAKER_02]: So here,
[SPEAKER_02]: As hell evis it's not a work Roger, it's suicide Oh suicide, a blanket chip kills over Damn all these beautiful girls Betty, make a doctor familiar They're all sexual rivals Sexual rivals for a man
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, you can, uh, you can listen to that whole thing at the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is, uh, a whole sock.
[SPEAKER_16]: Three versus three.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's right for no real reason other than I enjoy singing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, now it is time to talk about the episode and yet you auto tend yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Curious.
[SPEAKER_02]: well i mean i enjoy singing and also sounding good uh and also the song the sound the song is got auto tune in and i'm trying to keep it you know like it's very faithful to the original uh shun kingson currently serving time in prison right now because he and his mom are scamming a bunch of people
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's both of them.
[SPEAKER_16]: That's still illegal to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're not weirdly enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're still legally not allowed to scam people.
[SPEAKER_17]: Who kind of people are we sure they didn't deserve it for reasons that he didn't know the time was a question.
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't looked into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll look into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We thought they believed that they seemed like commisimps.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And for that reason, he killed Deb.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's talk about this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: General Thoughts Vince.
[SPEAKER_17]: uh... yeah i mean another great episode it like the beautiful girls is a good title because there is that moment when all of the female characters are like in one place and you're like oh yeah forgot that they made everyone on the show like absurdly hot uh... and also what a nightmare
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're Don Draper and all of the girls in your life are in one room together, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, in the context of Madman, I definitely feel like coming on the heels of last episode, it feels like the show has made almost a full transition from being about, being a show about the 60s to being a show that's just about these characters that were like interested in and love now, which is an impressive
[SPEAKER_17]: Um, writing trick that I think you can only pull off four seasons into a show like this.
[SPEAKER_17]: Um, I mean, I say a show about these characters, at least other than like the Zocha Mehmet baffling vegetable soup metaphor, but, uh, I mean, good, good, good episode.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: David, uh, what'd you think?
[SPEAKER_16]: So we're starting to get into the part of the series that I don't remember as well.
[SPEAKER_16]: I think this is the first episode.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like I did see this episode.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like I remember the last Madman episode that I saw and it had like Linda Cardelini in it, which I think is like, yeah, either the start of the sixth season or the start of the fifth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a bit later.
[SPEAKER_16]: I think it's like six they think you're right.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, so like I did watch this, but I was not it wasn't as like a at the forefront of my mind as the previous ones.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, and so I spent a lot of time that I stopped and read the Wikipedia summary just to like get a sense of where we were.
[SPEAKER_16]: I listened to the Sam Cedar episode too.
[SPEAKER_16]: So that was like that was good for like orienting me in terms of like where we are in terms of
[SPEAKER_16]: the 5.0 or whatever version of it we're on right now yeah.
[SPEAKER_17]: I try to properly contextualize myself by seeing if any of these actresses that ever done nude scenes.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, it's a little bit of research.
[SPEAKER_16]: I bring a little bit extra.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_16]: But I completely forgot in the character familiar for instance.
[SPEAKER_16]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_16]: But there was stuff from this that I did recall.
[SPEAKER_16]: I mean, it's all so good like the
[SPEAKER_16]: I watched this was the first of these that I watched in the new like a brushed up HBO restoration.
[SPEAKER_16]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: And it wasn't as distractingly like compressed and cleaned up as I thought it would be or feared that it would be.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like it's just I mean if this is like the most prosaic observation imaginable but like it's a beautifully made show like the bits of it where it sort of like reminded again of like how
[SPEAKER_16]: comfortable it is playing around with being different types of shows at once.
[SPEAKER_16]: There are like, I mean, this is a less political than some of the episodes, but like it has a politics, it has a sort of a key can yet.
[SPEAKER_16]: There's also like a lot of like, like, three-company ass sitcom hijinks with poor misblanking shit's dead body.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, but I was like, oh yeah, they're doing that well, too.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like they definitely like are capable of being two types of shows at the same time or more.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, like the Burke Cooper is in six feet under and Rodgers Sterling is in cheers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they have them in the same show.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, uh, I, uh, there's many reasons I enjoyed this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: The main one being the nightmare of Don Draper.
[SPEAKER_02]: of Dundraper's life at this point because it starts off I think for the first time in a while there's a moment of stability where like Dond is finally gotten with Dr. Fay Miller who is someone he's sort of been pursuing for you know this entire season.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've seen them interact multiple times, he's even asked her out once or twice and finally
[SPEAKER_02]: by the end of last episode they hook up and you see them together they're like you know planning out you know hey let's uh we're gonna go to lunch and then they fuck and you're like oh good this is great this is excellent she's like a groundbreaking kind of character too because she's yeah she's she's a doctor but she's also Italian
[SPEAKER_16]: Right, exactly.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's just the first of all.
[SPEAKER_16]: One of the hundred first telling darkness in the beginning.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: I do agree that there was something about, I think I'm being reminded of the character.
[SPEAKER_16]: He's always pursued these like interesting women that were impressive, but like,
[SPEAKER_16]: This is like the first of the I think the closest he came to like somebody that's fully like age appropriate Yes, he's also the closest he's come to shedding where he eats in like like a dangerous way It's like the one sneaky hadn't seen a make with his penis Yeah, he almost put a couple 45 slugs in her chest because she was she was selling a secret to ogovly
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Pam Pam moody.
[SPEAKER_16]: I hate to see it, but it's like it's a tough business.
[SPEAKER_16]: Sometimes you get a real Pam Pam on a bitch.
[SPEAKER_17]: So I don't know if you guys had this feeling, but I felt like this was very close to being like a progenitor of Hillary Clinton era, like girl boss.
[SPEAKER_17]: feminism.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, I guess there's a pecky has a huge white feminism moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's incredible.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have that scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to play it because it is it's so funny watching trying to figure out what perspective the show is actually taking is really interesting.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, it's like Matthew.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's like, it's sorry.
[SPEAKER_17]: You can almost hear Matthew winer being like, yeah, I have a lot of issues with the Bernie Bros. And so sometimes I like to speak through my characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because it's exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, we really
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, well here's to see.
[SPEAKER_08]: Most of the things Negroes can't do, I can't do either.
[SPEAKER_08]: But nobody seems to care.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_08]: Half of the meetings take place over golf, tennis, and a bunch of clubs, where I'm not allowed to be a member, or even hinder.
[SPEAKER_08]: The university club said the only way I could eat dinner there was if I arrived in a cake.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's no Negro copy, right, is you know?
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm sure they could fight their way in like I did.
[SPEAKER_08]: Believe me, nobody want to be there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Alright, thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll have a civil rights march for women.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so, first of all, we love Abe.
[SPEAKER_02]: We love Abe.
[SPEAKER_02]: I stand Abe, you know, he is doing almost like a caricature of Bernie Bro there, he's like, all right, now we sure let's care about all women here.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's great because they're both kind of right and they're both kind of shitty at the same time.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's great writing in that way.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, I appreciated that for that, that it was like, I think to Matt's point too, we were kind of like,
[SPEAKER_16]: I kept waiting to be like, well, you're going to put your thumb on the scale at some point, right?
[SPEAKER_16]: Like, it's a question of like, which of these two you're going to choose.
[SPEAKER_16]: And like, yeah, he went the the salamonic root of making both make repellent points in unpleasant ways.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And because, you know, his, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: he is point right after that is like sorry it just you know no one is getting shot you know because women want the vote you know in the south right now you know he's like talking about the you know let's keep focused on what's actually happening here um and also she's coming at it from a point of like also having to fight you know her way into the
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, not that they're not oppressed today, but more so than you can imagine, you know, in 1965.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she's also got a point, but she's making into the most white feminist way, which she's just saying like, Oh, well, they'll figure it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's just not the fight harder.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just doing like I did.
[SPEAKER_16]: Why can't they pull themselves up by their bootstrap?
[SPEAKER_17]: Brad, you can't even get bootstrap.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's terrible.
[SPEAKER_16]: What's happening to them, but it was also terrible.
[SPEAKER_16]: What happened to me?
[SPEAKER_16]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_16]: Ergo, nothing should do with her.
[SPEAKER_18]: I had to do everything the black should do backwards and in heels.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's so funny because I love this version of white feminism that like forgets that there are black women too You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're just like they're just in her mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's just thinking of a black man She's totally forgotten that this point is moot if you think about black women
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, I like that instead of putting their, you know, this is why I'm on the scale.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I have to admit, there are moments as the show goes on where you really do miss Paul Kinsey.
[SPEAKER_17]: Because it's like you have the girl boss.
[SPEAKER_17]: You have the girl boss white feminist to the, the evil Bernie bro.
[SPEAKER_17]: What you really need is like the secret conservative who fetishizes black women in there.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the one thing we're missing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the most relevant type of politics guy, which is like liberal racist Yeah, and Yeah, so I mean not that they also historically accurate type.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the moment too.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, that was
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Peggy is that as well, but also I think Peggy is much more thought out character than just what Paul Kinsey is, which is why I miss Paul Kinsey because sometimes you just want a cartoon liberal to be there who's just like, I date blacks because it makes me good.
[SPEAKER_17]: And the one, like politics type that has been erased from history is like the is the countercultural hippie dirt bag who's also really into Jesus because like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was a huge, but that was like the 70s, right?
[SPEAKER_17]: Isn't that sort of, but that was like Charlie Manson's kind of a whole deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, yeah, like Jesus.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, like Jesus.
[SPEAKER_16]: He was incredibly racist though.
[SPEAKER_16]: I mean, it's hard to say, well, it's Charles Manson.
[SPEAKER_16]: There were some contradictions in his ideology.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, I don't agree with him on every issue.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_17]: So I say there was a lot of overlap between like the counterculture and reactionaries.
[SPEAKER_17]: Like we could think of them as a separate group.
[SPEAKER_17]: But kind of not really.
[SPEAKER_16]: And definitely one of the things that the Peggy Abe scenes, there's this one, which is like the biggie.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like this is to me like the centerpiece scene in the shore.
[SPEAKER_16]: The episode.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like basically full stop, and then the one where he shows up at the office with the handwritten editorial That he wanted to show her and like have her read while he watched her do it Both of those cases.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's like the thing that I kept waiting for it to get annoying in that man And I actually bailed before it did get annoying, but a lot of like the gag in the show is
[SPEAKER_16]: you know something about what these people are missing that they don't, you know, like as you are watching it 50 years later and so you have like a science sense of and yet like the reason the show is good or one of the reasons the show is good is that like it shows you how these people are persistently missing their own points or like incapable of hearing themselves or whatever.
[SPEAKER_17]: They don't have the vocabulary to express like the the real feeling
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, and they're like, you know, they have that kind of like blinkered thing where everybody's like the main character in their own little story and like I don't think you're going to see like fucking Abe again, but like Abe is definitely like there's a bit where when she's like don't run this article, he's like you're not supposed to be mad.
[SPEAKER_16]: You're supposed to be flattered, you hired me to write a story like what are you getting about this about your role and like your role in my life, but this depends your honor as a white woman.
[SPEAKER_16]: Right.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's very sacred to me.
[SPEAKER_16]: And that would be annoying if it were done more annoyingly, but it's done in such a funny way, and with nuances like a kind of value neutral word here, but it's done like it is like just merciless enough in every direction that you wind up just kind of like admiring the for me anyway wind up admiring the perspective in the humor of it.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I think it's good for the same reason that people love shitting on one battle after another, where they like pick, they like cherry pick.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's like, oh, look how bad he made, you know, radicals look and it's like, yeah, he kind of made everybody seen everyone's a cartoon in it.
[SPEAKER_17]: Everyone's shitty.
[SPEAKER_17]: Like, that's kind of, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love that he titled, it Nuremberg on Madison Avenue and takes it to her being like, you're going to love this.
[SPEAKER_16]: This is something that I think you've got to see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and yeah, I agree with you completely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the sort of main character syndrome of Abe in that scene where he's just like, don't you understand that
[SPEAKER_02]: You were my muse here.
[SPEAKER_02]: You inspired me and that actually makes you more important than anything else because I am the most important person That's like inspiring Michelangelo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is a big deal for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, don't seem to be getting it
[SPEAKER_02]: Usually people say, thank you after I write them a five paragraph essay about how they're hitler.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, the the the show in general is kind of it's not I wouldn't say it's split into two parts But there's kind of a before Sally shows up in an after Sally shows up
[SPEAKER_02]: It starts off with sort of setting up three main plot points you have.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dawn, of course, being with Dr. Miller.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you have also Joan is feeling kind of shitty because of the fact that Greg, her husband, is now going to Vietnam.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you've got Roger who is pining for her in the way that Roger does, which often is undermining and belittling.
[SPEAKER_17]: There's just such a comic strip moment when Roger finds out about the Vietnam thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, like, I laughed so long that I had to pause it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, here's, here's that scene.
[SPEAKER_09]: These need signatures, not initials.
[SPEAKER_09]: Caroline said you refused.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just so much more work.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was just giving her a hard time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Can I interest you in the same?
[SPEAKER_04]: Tony, Jesus, I'm sorry!
[SPEAKER_10]: What did you say to her?
[SPEAKER_04]: What does that have to do with you?
[SPEAKER_10]: Her husband got called up.
[SPEAKER_10]: He's going to be it now.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm right after basic.
[SPEAKER_04]: Be it now.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's not good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh boy, he numbs the war, let me just tell you, I have not heard good things about that old brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he like turned to the Milton Burrell, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_16]: Lackling a cigar that was not there before.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that is his character.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_18]: What did you say to her?
[SPEAKER_18]: Oh, nothing.
[SPEAKER_18]: I was just being incorrigible as I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What I say.
[SPEAKER_02]: All I merely suggested that I would like to give her a hard time in reference to my penis.
[SPEAKER_16]: Goodbye.
[SPEAKER_16]: Is this so wrong?
[SPEAKER_16]: Can we not do that in the workplace now?
[SPEAKER_16]: It's an open environment.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't even talk to girls anymore about how you want to put your penis inside.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, so Roger is like spending this episode sort of back me to live my whole life as a lie Why talk about things other than what I'm thinking Roger spends this episode I didn't tell me if you guys disagree with me, but I feel like he spends this whole episode Stratagizing on how to get Joan and like even in this opening scene I'm not sure if it's he just makes that decision
[SPEAKER_02]: after he finds out from his secretary Carol that Greg has gone to Vietnam or if he's already doing that at this point because from this point on he is trying many ways and means in order to get back together with Joan.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he like he sent this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's trying to massage people to
[SPEAKER_17]: not explicitly trying to fucker it's more just like he's he's like he's got that he's turned into he's turned a bit fatalistic where he's like I'm gonna try something other than the strong arm approach and just like be nice and see where it goes yeah he doesn't like flailing in every other aspect of his life basically you see him like getting declined on his memoir proposal that he's trying to do
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, it's kind of like yeah, I feel like he's doing the the thing that Bill Murray does in Groundhog Day We're eventually he's just like I don't know.
[SPEAKER_17]: Maybe I'll just get some piano lessons and see where it goes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right sure sure I like watching him be nice to her which is always nice but also his strategy gets darker and darker to the point where
[SPEAKER_02]: At one point after the death of Mrs. Blankenship, which, by the way, we got to talk about that, because I think that's the other border in this episode is the death of Mrs. Blankenship is, you know, the first part of it is when she's alive, the second part of it is when she's dead, and it's actually a huge loss for the show.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's like John Hughes wrote that part of the episode and it totally works somehow.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's genius.
[SPEAKER_02]: But after she dies,
[SPEAKER_02]: Joan and Roger have this moment in the office where Joan, where Roger is like straight up like I want to die.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this almost feels, and I'm not saying it's necessarily intended this way, it almost feels like a manipulation tactic to fucker.
[SPEAKER_02]: And here's that scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh damn it, I don't want to die in this office.
[SPEAKER_03]: I almost have twice.
[UNKNOWN]: Stop it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It looks like I'm going to open a window, I'd rather flat in the top of a cab.
[SPEAKER_09]: You're not going to die in this office.
[SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you die like she lived, just rounded by the people she answered phones for.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, uh, it's super me and then later, he just says, uh, I'm going to kill myself, Joan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just a big thing to say to some, yeah, I mean.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that's this is back in the days when men were still allowed to use that as a threat not like these woke times right now everyone's like oh that's not that's emotional manipulation and it's like oh it's like maybe he was really feeling that way or maybe he just wanted to smooch a girl exactly he had to break glass in case of emergency exactly like what we can't we have to have at least one line that we can
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm going to kill myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you want?
[SPEAKER_02]: The gun in my mouth because I'll do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll do it right now.
[SPEAKER_16]: The she died as she lived surrounded by people she answered the phones for is extremely rude and very good writing.
[SPEAKER_16]: I also want to single out.
[SPEAKER_16]: I don't know if you're getting there.
[SPEAKER_16]: The she was born in a barn and she died on the whatever this floor of this building.
[SPEAKER_16]: She was an astronaut.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I can't believe they didn't name the episode like the astronaut or something like that.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I was shocked.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, agreed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I do love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially that scene is particularly tender because of, you know, like bird carriage for her.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yes, that was like sort of his version of Joni, I guess, right?
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, and we see that.
[SPEAKER_17]: But he cared for her a way, a cared for her in the way that only a man without testicles can.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it has been revealed on the previous episode, or maybe two episodes ago, I forget that Bert lost his testicles in an unnecessary orchiectomy done by a doctor.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in that same reveal, we also find out that Miss Blankenship was like a dirty minks who was down for anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so for the most part Miss Blankenship has just been this really hilarious old-futty-duty character.
[SPEAKER_17]: And I think she gets maybe her most amazing one-liners off in this episode.
[SPEAKER_17]: Like every, like there's like four of them and they're all just fastballs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I have the best, I mean, this is all, this is her last lines in the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are all the lines she has in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: And every single one is like Bangor, Bangor, Bangor, Bangor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's blank of this.
[SPEAKER_13]: So business of Sadest and Messicus, and you know which one you are.
[SPEAKER_13]: Are you going to the toilet?
[SPEAKER_12]: Good morning, Mr. Draper.
[SPEAKER_12]: I'm going to get some coffee and let me know when Dr. Miller arrives.
[SPEAKER_12]: It's hard the way she breezes past me.
[SPEAKER_12]: She looks so chubby in the pictures.
[SPEAKER_12]: Get her mother on the phone now.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was her last line or last lines on the show is fat shaming Sally Draper just she was such a perfect character And I miss her so much.
[SPEAKER_16]: I was hooting at are you going to the toilet?
[SPEAKER_16]: You don't need to ask that question Really gratifying it very it tastes
[SPEAKER_16]: It's a different sort of thing that makes you laugh when you're watching a television show by yourself, but does this trip right now?
[SPEAKER_16]: But just the mis-black and ship voice going, how are you going to the toilet?
[SPEAKER_16]: It was scary.
[SPEAKER_18]: That was a good one, and I'm going to do it too.
[SPEAKER_17]: I just want to know how long I should hold your call to record.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just, I want to know what end it's coming out from to back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, I mean, her, her death in this episode is truly sad and also hilarious and yes, I agree, birds like, you know, uology, I guess, uh, in them trying to like figure out a way to write an open of calling her an astronaut.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was like,
[SPEAKER_02]: It was touching.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can tell that he cares.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the first time that she is actually not a punchline on the show.
[SPEAKER_17]: Because tell that he cares and you can tell that he has worked in advertising.
[SPEAKER_17]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But because like even her death is hilarious.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, this is after Peggy comes back from talking with Abe after she has read his, you know, you are Hitler, because you work at office, article, and she goes up to Miss Blankenship and finds her unresponsive.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I have a little bit of that just because I love the sound of her head hitting the desk.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, here's the blanket chip, are you all right?
[SPEAKER_08]: Chip.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh!
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because behind them, there is a dead miss blanket chip being covered with a blanket and covered in afghans It's rolled away on her desk chair.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like, you know, incredible.
[SPEAKER_16]: The little, the Betty bit there was also, or not, Betty.
[SPEAKER_16]: Sally bit there was also very funny.
[SPEAKER_16]: But that whole, there's like 10 minutes where it's just like one of those sit compits where everybody's always slamming doors and like coming out behind each other.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like it is like, like, farce.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, cut.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's so fucking good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she will, she will be, she will be missed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say I will say that much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's brand flyberg!
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I think it might be, um, excuse me, I think it might be a good idea to take some ads.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, she's right for some ads.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you just cleared your thought, thought you were going to die, like Mrs. Blankenship.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's close.
[SPEAKER_02]: He died like he lived, telling us to take a break.
[SPEAKER_16]: That's remember to do my podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: of fate worse than death.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's time for us to take some ads, but everyone stick around with these ads.
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll be right back.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're back.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's mad yourself a man here with David J. Roth.
[SPEAKER_02]: How you doing David?
[SPEAKER_16]: I'm good.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, I'm enjoying talking about this episode of television with you, Matt.
[SPEAKER_16]: I like talking about me.
[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, yeah, Vince is fine too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also have Vince is also on the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Vince is there and that's important equally to me except for he doesn't do any of the songs
[SPEAKER_02]: No, not a one you don't need this in years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Never one sang a song.
[SPEAKER_02]: The elaborate you know, uh, yeah, but I just make it take longer.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I tell my wife all the time.
[SPEAKER_16]: That was me when you're joking when I'm doing this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just makes it take a making it take longer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, in talking about Dawn's storyline, we see him and, uh, Fay fucking over lunch.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that when, uh, they're fucking, um, right after their pillow talk is just like, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, which one of us wants to look at the clock first and then they're like, what's on your schedule and there's something about the like yuppiness of their pillow talk that I found particularly like both like revolting but also sweet because that's just who they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were work buddies.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, it's happened to have been absolutely having loud sex in the middle of the day.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, they didn't even finish their sandwiches you guys noticed that so can I ask a question about those sandwiches I have in my notes.
[SPEAKER_16]: Those are some row bust those are like hero sandwich That's yeah, like is do you think that that is historically accurate like if you've got a sandwich much in the question you getting like a big fucking sub style role
[SPEAKER_17]: God, it's like a running thing on don, running thing on madmen that don't draper pretty much never eats like we never see him run.
[SPEAKER_17]: He's always like turning down food or being like I don't want to eat that.
[SPEAKER_16]: I just got this man hat.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, so like I don't know part of me thinks part of me thinks that portions were much smaller back then and then another part of me thinks they needed like some heavy stuff to be balanced for the seven martinis they were having
[SPEAKER_02]: I could go either way, honestly.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a great question and it's making me hungry for sandwich.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, they look pretty good.
[SPEAKER_16]: That was one of my mean take with it.
[SPEAKER_16]: We weren't even unwrapped.
[SPEAKER_16]: I was like damn, that's like, that's solid.
[SPEAKER_16]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm going to order Perstramy sandwich while we podcast.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's just advertising fuel.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just letting you know, I'm going to order a sandwich while we talk.
[SPEAKER_02]: As soon as one of you goes on sort of a nice long one, I'm just going to be on my phone ordering sandwich.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, what's the best sandwich near you, Matt?
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... there's a place called oinkster uh... uh... that's right yeah i remember that that's a pristromy place yeah yeah i mean they got burgers and other stuff too but like there's weird because pristromy's beef and it's called oinkster but uh...
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's just because when you go in there, you're a pig.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you turn into a little pig even.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, I was like, I was always saying around blue.
[SPEAKER_16]: You need some pristromy, but it's for off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you please put some mayonnaise in my mouth?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, Peggy is going out with Joyce, who, you know, what's her name?
[SPEAKER_02]: She's a German.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she's a David Mammett's daughter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and it's a trick to get her to hang out with um, uh, with A from P.J.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh, with A at P.J.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dricksler.
[SPEAKER_02]: A Drexler who is, uh, her gonna be her love interest for quite a while, uh, it's weather or alert.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and, um, anyways, we learn in that,
[SPEAKER_02]: meeting together, not only that Peggy is a white feminist and that Abe is woke, but we also learn about how filmor autoparts is racist.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a meeting with filmor autoparts the next day, they're pitching them on figuring out whatever a slogan or some shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And while that is happening, we're going to have no blacks in my auto parts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no auto parts store has blacks in it no more.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how they talking Boston.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: I thought that was a sound like a clip you were playing there.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're here trying to figure out why you should make auto parts.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're always slipping on a story.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a pretty sweet note.
[SPEAKER_02]: Error.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to cover that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said.
[SPEAKER_16]: We put these shrimps on the bobby, not because it is easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, anyways, while they're at the meeting with the racist Boston base.
[SPEAKER_02]: I say to my friend, Error.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a knife.
[SPEAKER_02]: he's a national treasure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking about Yahoo series.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so while they're at the meeting, Megan comes in and there's a lot of Megan in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Keep
[SPEAKER_17]: Keep note, this is the, this is the spiritual baton passing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yes, Dr. Fay Miller and Megan, that's right, Megan comes in and says hey, something's going on, you've got your daughter here.
[SPEAKER_02]: He runs in the office and we meet some old Cron named Victor Winters who shows up only to be someone you want to pampham.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and that scene is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a clip of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: What exactly is going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: I found her on the train between carriages trying to avoid the conductor.
[SPEAKER_09]: I didn't have enough money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I pay you for the ticket and your time?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're just very lucky.
[SPEAKER_01]: I ran into her before someone else did.
[SPEAKER_01]: The types on that train.
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone should keep track of her.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I never know what's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I offered you money and I said, thank you.
[SPEAKER_16]: But that is mid-century male excellence.
[SPEAKER_16]: I've seen my dad do similar stuff where it's like, I'm going to be nice to you up to a certain point.
[SPEAKER_16]: But if you start trying to make me feel bad, I'm completely out.
[SPEAKER_16]: And now I'm bad.
[SPEAKER_17]: I'm totally on board with Dawn and that's the most I've ever had.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, just because you do a good deed doesn't give you the right to come in here like a current start lecturing.
[SPEAKER_16]: Give me a bunch of notes.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I'm Dawn Draper.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is absolutely insane that she feels the need to continue lamb-assing him.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: She just shows up literally to be an old-chrone and it's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's when we learn that Sally Draper ran away after a therapy session in order to go see Dawn.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you don't want to have to wait two weekends before seeing him again and it's just really sweet thing and you know this this adolescent era Sally Draper to me like is it's very sweet and I don't know if it's because I'm a girl that but it just hit me to it hits because you're just like.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it makes you want to spend more time with your children because they they do love you and miss you.
[SPEAKER_17]: You know, um, and it's a lot of things specifically of this part where she falls down and all that killed me to make in hugs are
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, when she goes like, that is a thing with small children.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is they, they be falling.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should constantly, yeah, silly shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I tell, I've told my daughter all the time when she's running real fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, statistically, you're going to eat shit very soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you keep this up and she always does.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now she's in a new age where she, when she falls down, she is now embarrassed, which is such a worse cry.
[SPEAKER_17]: and it's such a, it's like you're trying to draw this balance between like, okay, I want to sue your embarrassment while also like teaching you to toughen up to physical pain.
[SPEAKER_17]: So it's like, yeah, you're constantly doing that weird balance read.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's like, okay, it's okay to be scared, but also walk it off.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: I took it's a long time as I'm not a child haver, but as ants and uncleal in my wife, and I were like babysitting my nephew and niece early in their lives.
[SPEAKER_16]: Kids also that age take, like if I fell down the way that Sally fell down in this, like I would
[SPEAKER_16]: I'm not a young man, you know, like I would be in bad shape where's like little kids they're just basically made out of the same stuff that Marshmallow peeps are made out of the million like 12.
[SPEAKER_16]: And so I remember seeing like my knees fall off this stuff and just like jackknife her body in half and then just get up and be like, okay, I'm like, I'm just walk that shit off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so sad.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just like it kills me and it's also interesting seeing her you know stand up for herself But before that happens You know misblank and chip dies and Peggy runs in tells her once again to not leave and
[SPEAKER_02]: Finally, after they successfully take misblank and ship out of the office, Don tells Fay, hey, can you please take my daughter back to, you know, my apartment and just like hang out with her and you see this like fear in, in Dr. Fay's eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really interesting because, uh, I, I,
[SPEAKER_02]: you don't know until the end of the episode when she finally like, you know, snaps at dawn that she is terrible with kids and then upon rewatch is when I learned like, oh, yeah, she is bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: She like walks in the office.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if she's terrible with kids.
[SPEAKER_17]: I think she's I think she is she has a inferiority like slash people yelling at her complex because she's like a child aged woman who doesn't have kids and that's probably like the first question that everybody's mouth in the in the 60s is like
[SPEAKER_17]: So how old are your kids?
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, that kind of gets underlined.
[SPEAKER_16]: I don't think it's in that scene either, where she's like whatever I like the life I have, like I didn't even see decisions as everyone else.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, yeah, but I think it is that, but also you see, you know, she describes it as, I feel like it was a test, you gave me a test and I failed later in the episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you see that,
[SPEAKER_17]: in all the interactions she has with Sally where she like introduces herself again because she doesn't know what to say to a child and it's yeah she's also been put she's a 100% right in that she's been put in this impossible position where it's like hey can you please sue this already angry child who hates her mother and is like conditions to
[SPEAKER_16]: And we'll probably also don't think of this as an audition, but I mean, if you do a good job, it would be nice.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, you would be noticed by him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if you crush it, you could have this dick for a long time.
[SPEAKER_17]: I mean, it's sort of a mirror of Peggy and Abe Drexler.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yes, I don't really think either of them are in the raw.
[SPEAKER_17]: I mean, Dawn Draper is kind of a little bit of a dick, but like he doesn't really have any good options.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's also not, I don't think he is.
[SPEAKER_17]: uh... consciously doing this as a test for fae i think he trying to say it's like he's he has a key well he's also he's like fucking uh... raleota trying to stir the saws uh... and then and get the silencer sold and the take care of the hat lady all the same days all i help out there is going to be yeah and that helicopter is i guess sadly um... but uh...
[SPEAKER_17]: It is it's yeah people talking about helicopter moms.
[SPEAKER_17]: They don't they don't say enough about the helicopter's daughter or helicopter daughters.
[SPEAKER_17]: I was right to showing up to hover over your shit when you're just trying to get laid
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Fay and, uh, Fay and Sally are talking, um, oh, no, it's a Sally and Donna hanging out in their ordering pizza and they're like, she, he like yells at her a little bit but most is like, what are you doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: There's this sort of, I don't know, like a cute moment where Dawn reassures Sally that they just work together, Fay and him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know, there's something about him being like,
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're my number one girl that I found like incredibly sweet and you know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I just maybe I just love my daughter a lot.
[SPEAKER_17]: Well, he also gets to, he gets to care about Sally as a person where Betty sort of has to.
[SPEAKER_17]: Well, I mean, he doesn't have to, but like, she is with Sally, like, most days.
[SPEAKER_17]: Anything Sally does reflects immediately on Betty and so Betty sort of treats her that way first and foremost like she doesn't really treat her as a person.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's more just like you are an entity that can embarrass me if you don't act right and she kind of like she kind of fails at relating to her.
[SPEAKER_17]: child.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Um, but I love the, uh, the French toast scene is another like classic little just dropping in a perfect sitcom scene into a regular old episode of Madman.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and the button on it is so good here it is.
[SPEAKER_10]: We can watch the today show.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where do you want to do this?
[SPEAKER_10]: Carla taught me.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're on this.
[SPEAKER_09]: Mrs. Butterworths.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: She pulls out the bottle and it is not Mrs. Butterworths.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's rum.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'd labels.
[SPEAKER_06]: Is it bad?
[SPEAKER_06]: Not really.
[SPEAKER_17]: him like discovering a new way to consume all that is really accurate comment on kids at age two because I remember my stepson like I forget whether he was getting a cereal or like milk for cookier something he's like this milk tastes weird and I look in the fridge and I'm like is that because you grab the oat milk?
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, and he's like, oh, and I'm like, did you not notice that it says oat, like in gigantic letters?
[SPEAKER_17]: Like on the very front of the street, is this thing?
[SPEAKER_17]: That's like 10.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, but it was reading that 10.
[SPEAKER_17]: No, but kids don't, they don't do that.
[SPEAKER_16]: No, me.
[SPEAKER_16]: And definitely the idea of like, it's something, you know, sort of, again, sweet in the relationship that, uh, especially just because like Don is such a degenerate at this show as well.
[SPEAKER_16]: That like a little kid would be like, oh, Daddy's syrup.
[SPEAKER_16]: And it's like, no, that is one of the many bottles of booze that's just playing around his house and not the way you think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're not wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's daddy's favorite breakfast treat, but it is not quite in the way you would enjoy.
[SPEAKER_17]: I'm accidentally made him like a fancy like Grandmarnier French toast like this here but the fucking wall door for whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean look accidental flambé.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so if she burned it out, you know, all of the alcohol out, then it might actually taste kind of good.
[SPEAKER_17]: Honestly, being able to cook French toast with alcohol on one of those shitty ass one-plies, 60s stainless steel.
[SPEAKER_17]: Have you ever seen like the pans that your grandma used?
[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, I don't know how the fuck they cooked anything on those plates.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's just made of lead, right?
[SPEAKER_16]: Laminated aluminum.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was like cooking on a corrugated roof like how the fuck did you keep anything sticking on this yeah Anyways, it's so it's the next day they're back at the office Sally has
[SPEAKER_02]: Alert is told done like I want to live with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to live with uh, you know, my parents anymore and um He says no to and then she just freaks out at him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just starts like yell like like, no fuck you and Listen at someone with three year old.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, yeah, they do be like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me
[SPEAKER_17]: Pam, Pam, Pam, Pam, Pam, and this was a little above that actress' acting skill.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I thought it was perfect.
[SPEAKER_17]: I thought it was great, so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really liked her in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess, again, because I am a lot of this is coming from like watching my daughter turn into someone who says no to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just, you're not supposed to.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, you know, Don doesn't get y'all know a lot, you know?
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, I had in my notes that I thought she did a good job.
[SPEAKER_16]: I, what was, what was falling short for you, Vince Lee?
[SPEAKER_17]: I mean, it's just one, it was, I mean, all acting works until it doesn't, and I'm sure she did better than like 99.99, 99, 99% of any actors that age.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_17]: It was just like,
[SPEAKER_17]: I don't know, like, she or her tantrum didn't quite land for me.
[SPEAKER_17]: But, well, Vince is a piece of shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's okay for him, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: I've famously hate child actors.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's true, that is so, there is that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, Dawn does his default move when women won't listen and he's like, I need an older, pretty or woman to talk sense into this younger woman and ask Faye.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as Faye is trying to do psychology on her,
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, yeah, that's, that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dawn starts yelling at her, tries to like drag her over to, to Betty and what not.
[SPEAKER_17]: It always comes at moment in parenting when controlling fails and you have to start grabbing them by shoulders.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you see how many defense mechanisms are just inherent like lizard brain shit for kids because like you try to take your my daughter out of the tub and she knows how exactly how to go limp in a way.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like you ever go to like I don't know Spencer's gifts and there was that like cylinder with water in it and you couldn't hold in because the skin
[SPEAKER_02]: would stay but everything would move.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like that, like you just can't control a small child when they when they try to leave.
[SPEAKER_17]: Um, and they will absolutely like try and land on their heads.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do not give a fuck.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like you're dealing with someone who's like, I ain't afraid to die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: This is actually a good example of that, too, because Sally
[SPEAKER_16]: Oh god, if we're going to have a walk, I'd like to instantly crash it's out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's, it's just really sweet moment where like she trips and the first person to comfort her is Megan.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she tries to tell Sally that like everything is okay and everything will be fine and the one thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: in order to comfort her that she says is I fall all the time, which is is so sweet.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's like a sweet like she's just guessing at like what do I say to this kid and it ends up being I think probably the sweetest thing you could have said like well this is like there's no moment in parenting like the second the tantrum ends and they like decide they need you to hug them and comfort them and yeah yeah that's that's as good as it gets.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's very sweet and you see Megan really stepping up and Fay, I guess failing, although I didn't view it any of it as failing until she vocalized it in that office scene where she just yells at him, I feel like I failed this this test and Donna saying like it's not a test everything's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry they kiss and make up, but
[SPEAKER_17]: He's like, you're on your period, aren't you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, it's just like this is really about it.
[SPEAKER_16]: I'll be sophisticated guy.
[SPEAKER_16]: I can tell these things.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: 1665.
[SPEAKER_17]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_17]: I can tell because you were looking slightly tubier than you were two days ago.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I can smell the menstruation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: I guess this is like the first moment they begin sort of like shading Megan's character in that direction.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember in the my original watch of this that the Megan thing is a twist it's it is something that happens very rapidly and this is just sort of the the first little hints of it but they never do a thing where like Megan is comforting her and then you see cut to doctor phase face and she's like jealous or she's looking there's no real
[SPEAKER_02]: Like explicit hints that that's where this is going instead it just you know upon rewatch I'm like, oh, make-in kind of good with kids And yeah, and lastly After those two embrace let's finish up what happened with Joan and Roger so they go to dinner hired he clearly paid a mugger
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's a why do you think that I thought it was a joke, okay, it is a joke.
[SPEAKER_17]: Okay, it is just it is just funny how well that worked out for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it really works out great after spending this episode getting her a massage Threatening Nikhil himself, but freaking out every trick in the book.
[SPEAKER_16]: Every trick in the book from sweetest style massage who credible threats self harm
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, doing all of the things that he can't taking around, you know, to dinner and, you know, I mean, he gets that dinner date because of the suicidal threats.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like confiding in him that, you know, Greg never consulted her about, you know, any of the plans to join the army.
[SPEAKER_17]: There's like hard me.
[SPEAKER_17]: I'm not going to even talk about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there doesn't bring that up, but that's part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, they're kind of like poking at each other about their relationships.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very, you know, flirty shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then while they're walking through some part of New York City that we're supposed to assume is rough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Roger and Joan are mugged, they're mugged at gunpoint and, you know, he steals their wallet, steals the engagement ring.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, turns out Mickey's playing wasn't all wrong about the neighborhood going downhill.
[SPEAKER_16]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's changing, you know, the same type of people, not it.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's not the neighborhood people who used to be there.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, it's probably because the uncle sap has been than all the money in the foreign The trade and to be clear.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's the sort of thing I would vote against if I voted which I don't which I thought political guy Because I don't really believe in anything But oh and to be clear.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be okay if Joan got panpand
[SPEAKER_02]: But Roger Sterling is a business leader.
[SPEAKER_18]: It's good like that.
[SPEAKER_18]: A face is too pretty, you know, she gets a big head, you know.
[SPEAKER_18]: Her tit's a too big, reminds me of my mama who I pamphmed.
[SPEAKER_18]: Uh, anyways, put those cans on a bass at home, uh, you can do it.
[SPEAKER_18]: This proper kind of attitude that I look for in a brawl.
[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, well.
[SPEAKER_15]: My thing, I'm always thinking about dogs.
[SPEAKER_15]: What I look at a dog is that.
[SPEAKER_15]: Which is the look good.
[SPEAKER_02]: What would it still be in attractive bass at home?
[SPEAKER_02]: I want you to ask my favorite position in sex.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give you one guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the mugger flees and Joan is, you know, like having trouble breathing, calming down, and then Joan kisses Roger and they have this, how fucking worse.
[SPEAKER_17]: Fuck me in this alley on top of these broken bottles.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, I don't have to ring anymore.
[SPEAKER_16]: Fuck me.
[SPEAKER_16]: It is also like a very mid-century and also TV set looking like like yeah That was shot it's like brown stony like I don't doubt that like that's what like Hell's lot of hell's kitchen housing stockers like you know It's very expensive now it was kind of bad then but there was the idea of it being like This is the dirtiest nastiest place that you could possibly have sex Yeah, that's a million dollar.
[SPEAKER_16]: Oh, yeah, I know that's what I was thinking I was like the downstairs apartment of the million dollars like you
[SPEAKER_02]: the way they walk through that neighborhood and they're like, whoa, that's this is rough, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like, is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's because there's garbage cans on the street, right?
[SPEAKER_16]: That's where that's what the nice neighborhoods look like in New York.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, seriously, like most of your other neighborhoods, it's just like big piles of garbage bags, which again, doesn't signify anything because that's all of New York City that is how we take our garbage out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, does nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: All I can tell is that it's nice, but they say it's bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then a mugger comes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_16]: Anyway, they do they do and they do have sex there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, he Roger wants it again, but Jones like not again.
[SPEAKER_02]: And finally, the last shot of it is, well, right before the last shot, you see Joyce, Joyce is big scene, I would say.
[SPEAKER_17]: Joyce comes back to talk about soup for some reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so she's telling Peggy that, you know, I, sorry, I thought you guys would get along you and A, and then she starts comparing men to soup.
[SPEAKER_02]: She says, men are the soup.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't put them on a plate.
[SPEAKER_02]: Women are the pot.
[SPEAKER_02]: They heat them up.
[SPEAKER_02]: They hold them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They contain them.
[SPEAKER_02]: But who wants to be a pot?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who the hell says we can't be soup?
[SPEAKER_02]: At this point, I've had a stroke, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's part of me where I'm in the camp, in the Vince camp, where I'm like, save this stupid scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I also believe that they know this is a really strained metaphor that means very little and so for that I thought it it was funny Yeah, they're like kind of shit.
[SPEAKER_16]: They're in as with the scenes with with Abe earlier like you can see them sort of like fumbling their way towards An actual understanding of the world that they live in.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's just it's a hard trick.
[SPEAKER_16]: I didn't mind the scene, but I do agree that that whole bit like I did have to go back and watch it and be like no
[SPEAKER_16]: Like, what type of soup?
[SPEAKER_16]: Like, what do we... Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm a chowder.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like, I don't understand how you got there from this one bad experience, but the... And a soup is more impressive than a pot, is that what we're saying?
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, like, they're two different, and the plate, where we're doing there.
[SPEAKER_16]: But I do think that like the, it's a tricky thing to write a scene that is like, it's carefully crafted, but the thing that the person is saying doesn't scan, and it's stupid.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that this more or less lands.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the soup is the main course and we're just a person who cooks it and why can't we be the main course or whatever, of course, soup is not a good example of main course, so it's fine, it's good enough and it's funny and it really only exists to lead to a moment where Peggy disagrees with this whole thing and goes like, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I like Abe, um, and, you know, despite the fact that he thinks that I work for Hitler ink, um, there's something about him that I like, and she says, like, oh, I can't tell if you're angry or lovesick.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the episode ends with Joan, Peggy, and Fay.
[SPEAKER_02]: all leaving the office and the same elevator and they're just thinking about man what an episode of Madman that was there they are and the beautiful girl the beautiful girls are here with all astronauts when you think about it and down they go to the deep deep hell they belong in for being commies that is the episode is there a favorite scene at least favorite scene or something we didn't talk about events
[SPEAKER_17]: Um, oh, uh, one like little moment that really got me is when, um, I had a blanket ship is linked face down on her desk and don't, don't comes over and he just looks down at her and he says, poor thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_17]: I don't know why poor thing made me laugh, but it really did help that.
[SPEAKER_02]: David, a favorite scene at least favorite scene or something we didn't talk about.
[SPEAKER_16]: We talked about You know the good scenes and I now I did think they were all good I do like that rich summers for all in this episode is Two lines both of them jokes one of them when they're really like this is blanket chip away under an afghan that was stolen from his office because my grandmother made that
[SPEAKER_16]: And then the other one is when like everybody's kind of mourning and there's like briefly a moment of like all the fucking knucklehead dudes City there and he's telling the punchline of some Irish jokes.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, I have that It's like that.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, all right.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, this is so good So if it's you're on says I promised to point this whiskey over your grave with Larry, but you might if I pass a true me kidney's first
[SPEAKER_16]: I've heard some version of that joke many times, but you know, maybe 1965 was around when it was being invented.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_16]: But it is just great.
[SPEAKER_16]: I mean, like rich summer at this point is like of, you know, known quantity, like killer character actor sort of dude.
[SPEAKER_16]: But this is,
[SPEAKER_16]: the way that like baseball teams used to have just like a left-handed relief pitcher that existed only to get left-handed hitters out.
[SPEAKER_16]: Like he's just they're they're using him as a lugee.
[SPEAKER_16]: They're bringing him in.
[SPEAKER_16]: They're just like you got two lines do your thing and he did.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's like the the coach goes up to the mound and he and he does like a fake thing in glasses or he's like yeah bring out the Jew.
[SPEAKER_16]: We've got to fire one minor form, miming, using an inhaler and everybody in the bullpen.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, but it's, I love that joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's, most of the time, the only hearing the tail end punch line of a joke in anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, is always so nonsensical that you can't even trace it back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, you try to reverse engineer.
[SPEAKER_02]: This one is very clear.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think I, to be honest, I don't think I'd ever heard that joke before.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the punchline that it landed for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it landed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you might have passed through me kidneys for as pissing on a grave is always going to be my favorite.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, the catch accommodation of words, me kidneys.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's great on the page, read your notes, had to be good in the script.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, our sponsor is me, kidneys.
[SPEAKER_02]: For 25% off.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm breathable fabric.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very breathable.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, if I had to give this episode a letter grade, and I do, I would think I would give it a solid B plus.
[SPEAKER_02]: Vince, what did you give this episode to me?
[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, wow, that's, I don't know what I, I might have to do some tabulating.
[SPEAKER_17]: I have a very complex rubric that I use.
[SPEAKER_17]: I come back too as well.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, yeah, look at that.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I'm grading it out of a hundred.
[SPEAKER_17]: Looks like I got to 88.5.
[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, I believe rounds up to a B plus.
[SPEAKER_17]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: David runs.
[SPEAKER_02]: What would you give this episode of here?
[SPEAKER_16]: I actually didn't watch the episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_16]: But I'm just going to go along with what you guys said to sound B plus sounds great.
[SPEAKER_16]: B plus that it's good.
[SPEAKER_17]: I think that's your agreeability.
[SPEAKER_17]: That's why we keep bringing you back.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why you're a returning champion.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a B plus episode of Mad Men and an A plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus.
[SPEAKER_02]: plus episode of matters of a man David Roth, thank you so much for coming on and talking man men with us again.
[SPEAKER_16]: It is a blessing.
[SPEAKER_16]: I'm so happy to be able to do it.
[SPEAKER_16]: And I'm glad to have an excuse to go back and watch random episodes of the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: But thank you for having me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, where can people find you?
[SPEAKER_16]: Defigured dot com of a podcast there a true maghary I got a hallmark podcast called it's Christmas town with Jeb Lundry's recorded an episode yesterday for a truly Drainaged movie that I can't I think the episode will be funny no one should watch Christmas bedtime stories 22 Can I request that you guys watch solo meow with Kevin James which is available for rental?
[SPEAKER_16]: I would get you know it's not a hallmark is that it is it?
[SPEAKER_17]: Technically, not a hallmark movie is literally absolutely a hallmark movie.
[SPEAKER_16]: Are you, did you, why are you into it?
[SPEAKER_16]: We watched it.
[SPEAKER_16]: Well, Matt didn't watch it.
[SPEAKER_16]: I pretended to.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, he pretended to.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, I mean, I got through a whole episode bluffing on this.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's not that good.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yes, we can do it.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, I'll put it on the list.
[SPEAKER_16]: You should join us if you want to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, you got to show up, but it's Kevin James on that Ozenpick.
[SPEAKER_16]: Is he like 175 pounds now?
[SPEAKER_17]: No, he really doesn't look like he's done much Ozenpick.
[SPEAKER_16]: Good for him for the best.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, stay fat.
[SPEAKER_02]: David Roth.
[SPEAKER_02]: We was deep fat kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: We love you so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, trian.com slash.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rochka's the eight dollar tear gets you a shout out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, I'm still thinking about that joke with the, with the, you know, passing the whiskey through the kidneys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have four this week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Four wonderful names who need to be shouted out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm also doing this accent because three out of four of them sound like they could be Irish.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so we'll start with the first known Irish one anchor decide anchor.
[SPEAKER_17]: Oh my gosh, this guy is really dragging me down I like I like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're calling this guy titanic titanic anchor Thank you so much not only did he join at the shoutout tier, but he also became a year-long subscriber Which you can do page on a combs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I fuck as join for a year
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, three more names, first is Ellen McAib.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, McAib, she's the Irish Lincoln Conner Olinken.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Olinken, Ellen Olinken, McAib.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's Stinkin Olinken.
[SPEAKER_02]: Stinkin, thinkin' Olinken.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, I'm doing my best to join in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Isn't it fun to think laterally?
[SPEAKER_17]: I sure have a light stroke.
[SPEAKER_02]: it's it's just think it's what thinking is called.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next is Kieran and Murphy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kieran is it Kieran and her Kieran?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah you're right Kieran.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kieran Murphy.
[SPEAKER_17]: Oh Kieran Murphy.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's always Kieran himself.
[SPEAKER_17]: I was gonna go with Murphy's Law, but yeah, we'll call this guy the judge because you know, he invented Murphy's Law.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am Delo.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Murphy Law.
[SPEAKER_17]: Alright, and I'm with Murphy Bed, but I'm with Murphy's Law.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought about Murphy Bed, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: And finally, last but certainly not least.
[SPEAKER_02]: Peter Quigley.
[SPEAKER_17]: Just like my favorite movie, Quigley down under.
[SPEAKER_17]: We're calling this guy the most dash after.
[SPEAKER_17]: I'm selling beautiful most dash in that movie.
[SPEAKER_17]: Quigley down under.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've never seen it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I know it.
[SPEAKER_17]: He's like a woke, woke Australian superhero or an American, but he goes to Australia in like Western times and
[SPEAKER_17]: Pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that is woke.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that shout out this Tom Selleck for Protecting the Indigenous peoples of Australia.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is the shout outs for this week.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you would like a shout out Please join patreon.com slash fracass eight dollars or more gets you that shout out fracassagmail.com for all your questions comments and concerns Vince.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is a Google voice number?
[SPEAKER_02]: 41527503030 Alright everyone, thanks again so much for listening and until next time, I don't think about you at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's making Dr. Familer There are sexual rivals Sexual rivals for a man not Draper It's 1965 done in Fairbump and Thyspace In the moment what not looking at the time Because he knows that this fling won't last forever
[SPEAKER_02]: Sally, dream for a story young, visits her death, don't she took the train alone, gets caught by old grown, she said she could, and wait till weekends, they'll be together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is very old time, there's a lot of unsmined in the office trying to hide, that blanket ship has died all along, these ladies crowded him crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pang is a beautiful girl Joyce picks her up after work She's feeling home, a side-o Home, a side-o talking to a Drexler And I'll hold his beauty
[SPEAKER_02]: He's making Peggy feel like they're She's been in the homestaddle Homestaddle, reading madman number See, it started after Dark Peggy at DJ Clark's She learns, will more or no parts don't like skin That's dark because she thought that money Over comes whatever Run ever
[SPEAKER_02]: Abe is talking civil rights doesn't know he's starting fight spanky, walks away from a feeling Slight, did he was hoping that he and she would be together, but it's kinda right, Peggy All sin is white, I'm pairing both their place, you must be a drama and all Lord This Peggy's driving me crazy
[SPEAKER_02]: Girls, tell you, this is not a work Project is suicidal, suicidal Blinking shit, chills all over Damn, all these beautiful girls Betty, makin' Dr. Familer They're all sexual rivals Sexual rivals for a man-on-grapper Yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, I'm ending here, and that's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's okay to not do the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though I pride myself in doing the whole thing, it's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm okay.