[SPEAKER_00]: That's a gay app name for a gay app podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yuli Morazon is back on that's a gay app podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember when you did this podcast last week?
[SPEAKER_02]: My god, part two.
[SPEAKER_02]: The bitch is back.
[SPEAKER_02]: When did I do this podcast last?
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it's been like some time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe like a year.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was November of 2022.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we've got a lot to catch up on obviously we know each other outside of a podcast tree in the internet, but You leave we have some
[SPEAKER_01]: All you, uh, which is probably only like what for people in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Uly has an amazing social media presence at Uly and Ernesto.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've been touring a live show.
[SPEAKER_01]: The I love Uly tour.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have an amazing podcast called Current Besties with your Bestie Jazz and your very gorgeous husband.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ernesto is a part of your content in addition to your thirst for whom Pedro Pascal.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to get into a lot of these topics, including why you're running so much and who you're running from.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I want to start us off with a podcast question.
[SPEAKER_01]: that is a bit of a twist on the podcast question and the podcast question is if we've already asked whose fault is it that your gay in 2022?
[SPEAKER_01]: Julie, what is your current gay obsession?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there anything you would like to dish on that you're currently obsessed over?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I have to say probably
[SPEAKER_02]: I have been sick over the weekend, which has been bad for my body, but it's also allowed me time to just be in bed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I also didn't realize how many seasons there were.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I saw season one, and then I started season two, and then I felt through the back burner, and I feel like a month has gone by, and they're like now in season four.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yeah, I think they were leads to like back to back.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're sort of like content farming these poor women's horrific lives.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so, there's so much going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it's just too much content for them not to continue filming.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like anyways, some my newest gave session is secret lies more wives.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm almost all cut up to season four.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I can't imagine.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's shocking to me what happens in these lives of these women in a span of these wives and like well a matter of month I'm just like I can't
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, can I tell you why I think it is so traumatic for them?
[SPEAKER_01]: Please, it's because they all come from a religion that has fucked them up so deeply, and it's all about perfection, and look what happens when you try to be perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have the fucking craziest, most
[SPEAKER_01]: rollercoastery marriages and and then one of you get cast on the Bachelor Ed and then you fuck that up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the thing is dork-sotted.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so insane and like each of them, not just one of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They all have so much trauma and so many things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like a lot of them are like not even super, super more, many anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like
[SPEAKER_02]: a lot of them have like, you know, not left the church, but like have considered other things in different options, but still like even in a reunion like sexual assault about to get divorced, like it's just like how, uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think there's a lot of people listening to this podcast who I'm sure used to be a part of the Mormon church or used to be a part of a religion that like made them feel insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like I'm lucky because Judaism is in like inherently like, I mean, sure, I'm not going to say all Jews are like not homophobic because like obviously like Orthodox Judaism is anti gay, but like,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's of the organized religions.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Jews are pretty good about sort of the queerness of it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, Mormonism, I think is like there are so many X Mormon gaze.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any friends of yours who used to be Mormon?
[SPEAKER_02]: I went to a high school that had a bunch of Mormon students at it and that's how I like learn about Mormonism and they're all so hot and they're all like so hot.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were all like the Mormons at my high school were so hot and they're like yeah, you can't touch us though because we're super religious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, which makes them what even.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like on our floor and our apartment building there's like I don't know what the fuck is going on But there's an apartment that is down the hall from us that always has new Mormon boys cycling cycling in every year
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know they're over 18, so I'm allowed to say that they're hot, but they're also like, I'm usually not attracted to anybody who's under what like 29 and a half, but these fucking Mormon boys, I don't know, maybe it is that like untouchableness that makes it hot, but y'all, y'all Mormons can get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also so fascinating, especially with the TV show about like all the loopholes.
[SPEAKER_02]: that they go through because of how strict the religion is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does kind of not to see that Mormonism and Jewish people are the same, but I do think watching the show a little bit and like learning about like more of the Mormonism through the specific women.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't remind me of Judaism in a way because like you have the people that are really extreme like orthodox Mormon who are like really intense and then you have some people that are like kind of in the middle that are like they go to church and they're like And then you have some people that are like I'm more mean, but like I don't really like I drink alcohol well
[SPEAKER_01]: you're speaking to just like I think religion as a whole about like there's such a wide spectrum of it because like well know you're I think you're right you're right with the Judaism because like there are like for me I don't really go to synagogue much anymore as an adult but I love celebrating the high holidays in fact Passover is this week so have hagsomeach to all of my Passover girlies but um but know you're right there's like really intense uh
[SPEAKER_01]: Religious Jews and then Mormons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess that could be the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, you know, the not drinking any alcohol and like them only drinking soda the soaking of it all like jumping on a bed that you're not actually, you know what's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm having a flashback to um, I knew some Orthodox Jews in college who were not, they were going to save sex until they got married.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess the loophole was anal was okay right right right but like where you know love finds a while you really love find anyways I have been watching the serialized woman wives and I've been obsessed I can't wait to see finish season four will there be a season five I have no idea do you watch the show at all or do you know
[SPEAKER_01]: I watched it over my husband's shoulder while I'm doing anything else.
[SPEAKER_01]: He watches it religiously and I really love that he loves it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm more so I don't think my time on this earth was meant to be spent with those women specifically.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do love a real housewife of Salt Lake.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love to see about the Mormonism through their eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Similar similar vibes, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like Mormonism.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're similar vibes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But just like a little, I don't know, a little
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I just love watching women who have a few more years on them.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are like, I'm watching girls from my high school.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I'm still not ready.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I am proud.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am thrilled that Whitney from Secret Lives and Mormon wives crossed over to dancing with the stars and now Chicago and Broadway breaking box office records that to me is so cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, very cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say though that like I think you're right about the age thing because Secret Lives and Mormon wives feels very high school.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like high school and like I know that like every season has like a different villain.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like you know season one was Whitney and then two to four was Demi and like I think actually season four is Jen maybe a little bit but like I feel like they're all mean girls to certain they all like decide that they hate one girl and they all like kind of like
[SPEAKER_02]: as a mean girl like attacker and they're like, oh, if you want to come back to our little group, we have to vote you in and it just, it feels very mean girl.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like housewives, there's like a maturity there.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like not as high school, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a nuance to the, to the bitchery, to the dramaery.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do, I do love to think about you sort of hold up in your house while you were saying before we hit record that your husband has just been,
[SPEAKER_01]: enjoying, I guess what, the lack of your voice being around.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, me being sick all weekend has really like made his life so much better.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've just been like cooped up in my room, like dead in bed, and he's just been like, he had the best weekend of his life, I guess, because I was come a toast and sleep for
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I think your followers might want to know, and I certainly want to know as your friend, between you and Ernesto, who is the better nurse?
[SPEAKER_01]: If one of you is sick, who is better at taking care of the other?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm better at taking care of Ernesto.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: No questions asked.
[SPEAKER_01]: And do you think that would surprise people who follow you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're both, we're both cough laughing because we're coming over.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had fucking laryngeitis, you have whatever you have.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think people are surprised because people assume that, or I think I put out that, like, I'm more like the chaotic, narcissistic, independent one that is always trying to leave my husband at any minute for any man that looks at me, which is it 100% wrong?
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm definitely more of a caregiver, like I have more like caregiver tendencies.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm the oldest.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like on the older side of my siblings, Ernesto's the baby of his family.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we definitely have still like that dynamic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, when I'm sick, I'm taking care of myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or I'm like coming out of my room and I'm like, Ernesto, do you care, like, are you going to get me something?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or like Ernesto, can you please get me a glass of water and he's like, uh, fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like when he's sick, I'm like checking in every 10 minutes, being like, babe, how you feeling?
[SPEAKER_01]: Does he appreciate it when you tend to him when he's sick?
[SPEAKER_02]: I would hope so.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would if I could hope so.
[SPEAKER_01]: He, he must.
[SPEAKER_01]: He must.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's just so funny because like, you know, you put so much of your relationship online, but also there's like so much truth whip.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's also like, you know, the nuances of what it's like off camera.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's, I think it's just so funny to see your journey, especially because did you know that confession hole, the glory hole, talk show that you shot a lot of your show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, my show is premiering next week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you know that?
[SPEAKER_01]: I had no idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and your your episode is the second one that we're releasing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so in literally like two weeks you're gonna start seeing clips two to three weeks You're gonna start seeing clips of you on a bath on a toilet with a glory hole between us and are you ready for your followers to see you sitting at a glory hole?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they probably, that's what they expect that of me.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, okay, this is where I expect you to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, I don't even remember what we talked about or what I said.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess it'll all come to light in a couple of weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know I talked about Pedro.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know there was some sexual stories, possibly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I forget.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are.
[SPEAKER_01]: And speaking of, once we finish on the main pod here, we are going to cross over to Substack for us to have a
[SPEAKER_01]: honor of the confession hole, but also because the subject early is like the XXX.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to ask you about the first boy boy kiss.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to ask you about some X-rated questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: SSRI is losing your V card.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a little tease.
[SPEAKER_01]: But before we go into the whoreiness of that, I do want to get into what is happening with this running, Julie.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's I'm concerned.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm running for myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: It needs to stop, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: It needs to stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: What am I doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did the New York City marathon on November, at, in November, which was really cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was really fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I had only started running four months prior to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so like to get there felt like this huge hill to climb, and I after I finished, I don't know what happens to your brain chemistry after you finish a marathon, but you become kind of like narcissistic and egotistical when you like finish a marathon.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was just like, oh, I could do this, I could do another one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, okay, like, just sign me up again, like this was so easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could finish.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so now I'm doing the London marathon at the end of April, but like, November, you leave feeling super confident.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, I can do this again in a week, cut to now having to retrain and gear myself up again to do another marathon, completely different youlees.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're less than a month away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and like I am I'm so unprepared.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like I'm not joking with you running is one of the things I
[SPEAKER_01]: like the least and I had worked out with a friend a few weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, we'll just finish it off with a one mile run and that was very hard for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like it's hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also with so hard about running and just like marathons in general is like finding the time to run.
[SPEAKER_02]: and like put it in your schedule and like there's also like whether that you have to consider like if it's like raining or if it's like there's a heat wave in a lay that has happened like for the last month it's like it's so stressful to try to like figure out like how many and you're supposed to run like three to four times a week and you're supposed to increase I'm supposed to do a 20 mile run next weekend and I'm still recovering from being sick and I'm just like I haven't been able to run since being sick so I'm like how am I going to do 20 miles like
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't recommend to me, I want to ask you a question that someone told me who he's been running Chris Ryan shout out he told me that at a certain point when you're running a certain distance you're like animal brain takes over and you start to feel like this feeling of like you're being hunted and you stop thinking about the distance is almost just like pure adrenaline or like ecstasy or just like
[SPEAKER_01]: You just hit a point where you're just like your body is moving and you're not like feeling or thinking about the pain.
[SPEAKER_01]: Has that happened to you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Who is this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Who is this prison gay guy named he's a gay guy named Chris?
[SPEAKER_02]: Chris is lying.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're miserable all 16 miles around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I will.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're miserable.
[SPEAKER_02]: What I will say that maybe he's referring to is that
[SPEAKER_02]: at a certain point in a long run, you're just moving.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you're not even thinking about running.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not, like, your legs are just going, like, you're not really like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that there's this the euphoric animalistic spiritual thing that happens at least not to me, but at like my old tent, like after a while, I'm just like, your legs are just like, you're just like in motion and you're just like, you're just like, you just, your legs know what to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you're working less hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like thinking less about the running and you're just moving.
[SPEAKER_02]: something that helps me in these like longer runs is actually like going through different neighborhoods because then you're just like obviously like you're not doing the same loop over and over again you're like seeing different things but kind of ironically like doing like the social media videos of like I'm on my own now I'm on my own too now like that actually makes it go by a lot faster and I think it's all because you're like
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not really only thinking about the run, like especially for me, I'm like thinking about like, oh, what's the next joke that I'm gonna say for my old three and like, what's the next joke I'm like, you know, and it kind of makes it go by really fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have I felt this animalistic euphoric experience that this Chris guy is saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I have not.
[SPEAKER_01]: but you know good for him good for him you've got 12 hours to respond we would like I mean if anybody listening actually enjoys running please let us know what gets you through for you Lee it's finding out what joke is gonna get you tens of thousands of likes and comments which really I respect I mean you and I had lunch what a few months ago and I was like asking your advice about because you're so good
[SPEAKER_01]: who's seenality out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that we talked about a little bit during confession home, which is that you were not bullied in high school.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that maybe is that a part of your confidence do you think?
[SPEAKER_02]: Ah, I guess so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe or like maybe I was bullied, but it didn't really affect me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a shamelessness that if they were to put it into a pill, I would pay money.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, thanks.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I just like like putting my shit out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because like the only person that can really judge me is me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never really cared about like what strangers thought about me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's a defense mechanism too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think growing up like brown and gay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was just like, let me just like not care what people think because like if I start caring what people think about me, then that might actually ruin me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe it's a defense mechanism.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what to call it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's a, it's a really smart defense mechanism because you're like, baby, I don't want to dim this light.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's too gorgeous.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure we talked about this last time, but last time you did this podcast, it was 15 years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, did you come out in high school or was it after you left for college?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I came out in middle school to my parents.
[SPEAKER_02]: As bisexual, um, because my brother had found some gay porn that I had printed out from the library.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, which by the way, I was going through your old, your episode on this, and that is like the teaser clip at the beginning.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's so funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: at the library and your brother found your staff.
[SPEAKER_02]: He found my staff and so I came out in middle school basically being like, I know I'm not straight.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm also attracted to men.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what that means, but I think I called it bisexual at that time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, I don't know if I said buyer or if I just said that like I'm attracted to men also.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I came up to my parents in middle school.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I was just kind of,
[SPEAKER_02]: I never told friends or anything else.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I just was trying to figure it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just wanted my parents to know.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I came out came out in college to like everyone to my friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like freshman year or did you win?
[SPEAKER_02]: Junior year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so freshman sophomore year were you dating women or were you just giving non-vives?
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a girlfriend in high school.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I also, like my trajectory was kind of like, we can talk about this more at the sub-sac part, but I ended up losing my virginity and hooking up with a guy when I was 15.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then after that, I got a girlfriend when I was 16, and we stayed together until my freshman year of college, and so I, and then we broke up at the end of my freshman year of college, so then I really just had like with a sophomore year of college when I was like kind of like,
[SPEAKER_02]: available and I was making out with a lot of guys and girls and just kind of like I wasn't dating anyone but like I was in the theater department we would go to parties I was making out with like girls and guys it didn't really matter um what school was this UC Davis in California shout out UC Davis okay amazing school um my journalistic follow-up
[SPEAKER_02]: No, she didn't go to the same college with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we were long distance, which, like, ended up leading to our breakup.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, we probably would have broken up anyways, but, um, yeah, by the way, I think that is true.
[SPEAKER_01]: You late, do you think you would have broken up?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a classic Taylor's oldest time though, like the high school relationship.
[SPEAKER_01]: The people that actually last from high school and then to like college and then to get married is so rare.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, my in laws are that way and I get I have so much respect for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They met in high school.
[SPEAKER_01]: They dated and now they're like been together for a billion years.
[SPEAKER_01]: So shout out to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that's a lot of changing.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a lot of like changing and growth and like, do they say in the same city?
[SPEAKER_01]: They actually went to different colleges, but both in Georgia, but they ended up, I think, like having a lot of crossover with friends, they're what's really beautiful about them is that they are still friends with their middle and high school people because they all stayed in Atlanta.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so like they now have these gatherings where it's like people they've known since they were, you know, 10 years old and they all now have like kids and having
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a very sweet like that's one of the only things I miss I would say I miss I feel like I'm missing out on about leaving my hometown and like embracing my gay life is that there is like we've had to sort of have a rebirth as adults I think especially as gay people it's like
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we don't actually have the beauty of sticking with the same people because we I've changed so much since I was in high school.
[SPEAKER_01]: You only have a handle like you're very close with your family and you like you're they live pretty close, correct?
[SPEAKER_02]: my whole family's in California.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean they're like Northern California.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was born and raised in San Francisco slash Sacramento.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like all up there and then I have my family in Florida.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then what was lucky for me as far as friends go is that like my core group of friends from college, I'll move to LA.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then some of them like move to San Diego, but so but we're all like very, I'm still very close to like a lot of the friends that I've had for a really long time, which is really lucky because they all kind of just like came to LA with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And with high school, like I'm not as close with all my high school friends, but when I do go back to Sacramento, I do make it a point to see them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not like we're seeing each other weekend, but like we definitely catch up at least once a year.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's kind of like, yeah, cool to see them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have those, I have a few girls that I went to high school with, I still love and see, yeah, like once twice a year and that's amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's definitely, it is interesting, like, I don't know if it's a gay thing or just like if you move away from your hometown, but yeah, I feel like adult friendships is just an interesting, you know, it's hard to maintain really strong friendships, especially
[SPEAKER_01]: when people are like you're talking about like even if it's a friendship or relationship you have so many different chapters in your life whether it's people having kids or moving away or new jobs or whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: But did jazz who you co-host current besties with?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did jazz go to college with you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah that's where we met.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so jazz I was a freshman he was a sophomore in college and we both got cast and you're good me and Charlie Brown.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay give us the roles
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I got cast as Linus oh my god Linus is the Blinky boy and I was a freshman and I just like walked up to him And I was like we're gonna be best friends just so you know and he was like please get away from me You freak And surely after that we became best friends and we've been best friends ever since we also like I think the reason with just specifically We've gone through so many things together like
[SPEAKER_02]: We both were in college together, but we both came out around the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: We both experienced a lot of the same things in life together.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a lot of friends that also move down and I'm very close with.
[SPEAKER_02]: But with Jazz or something, we were roommates in LA for seven years before I met her Nestelle.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was my one roommate in LA.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were both hos and what's Hollywood together for the longest time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we're pinning Ho Conversation for Substack and we're pinning your losing your virginity 15 for Substack.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's just I'm putting that into the back of my mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah, you guys have had many many a chapter because now you're what like you've been married you've been married to with her Nesto for how long?
[SPEAKER_01]: 10 years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we really celebrate the day that we met more so than everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's December 17th.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the day that we met in Fubar.
[SPEAKER_02]: For me, that probably is like what started our journey, like the day that we lockedize on each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like that first initial night, it's just like for us, I feel like feels more like an impactful story, like
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like when we first officially became boy from boyfriend like that doesn't like that all feels like it blurs together for me, but like the day that we met and that started is like the day that we celebrate the most and then honestly our wedding is October 2nd and there is so we've had like other weddings that we've had to go to every year or like events that we've had to go through every year since then so we don't really like we acknowledge it but we don't really like celebrate it in the same way it's just like such a busy time I think
[SPEAKER_01]: was this past December the 10 year or is it coming up?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's past December was the 10 year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Ernesto.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Miles Altoff, that's fucking huge.
[SPEAKER_01]: A decade with your man and you've survived putting out all these videos online, too, like barely barely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've gotten so much trouble.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't know how many times I've gotten in trouble with like the videos that I'll make.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Ernesto will be like, why did you post that?
[SPEAKER_02]: You should have asked my permission.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, it's such an interesting thing because he wants to be so, he's very choosey about what he wants to be involved in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm an open book and also we have different career trajectories.
[SPEAKER_02]: My career is entertainment and you know, spelling my guts to the people.
[SPEAKER_02]: His career is corporate and like it's very like he can't have everything out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like as much as he like wants to.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so like sometimes he'll be like that was too much information.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just like, oh, shoot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just really funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, shoot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a gorgeous video.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever?
[SPEAKER_02]: uh, I think one time I took a video down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's usually, it's usually like, it's usually like, I'll post it and then he'll be really upset about it and I was like, I can take it down and he's like, don't take it down now.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's already out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But one time, um, I think I took it down.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he said it was too far and I took it down.
[SPEAKER_02]: now I've gotten into the habit of asking him permission before posting like I'll send him the video first and then be like hey is this okay to put out there like it involves you and sometimes he says yes and sometimes he says no so there are so many videos out there that I've made about a relationship that he's like that's too far.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I love to see how the sausage is made.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's also a sign of the growth of your relaysh, which is you asking for permission because before you probably did the whole adage of, I'd rather ask for forgiveness, but that I don't think that always works in a a relationship in a long marriage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and like sometimes I'll post something and I'm like,
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't care about it and I'm like, okay, like I felt like this maybe could have been something I asked about, but then he'll be like, oh, yeah, that wasn't a big deal, but now you just play it safe because there's just been too many times or he's gone to the point where he's like, how many times have we talked about this?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, okay, let me just play it safe because at the end of the day as much as I love dragging him through the mud and like making fun of our relationship, I obviously care about our marriage and our like,
[SPEAKER_02]: First and foremost, now also care about respecting him and his boundaries, unfortunately.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I've gone to the good habit of asking permission first.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what, we shout out your husband and that is something else of the happens on Confession whole, which is I do thirst over him because how could he not, he's stunning.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I also think it's hard to date someone who works an entertainment, especially when they're putting out their personal lives.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you watching the comeback season three on HBO?
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't started yet, but I'm so excited.
[SPEAKER_01]: it's really it's the I think it's only two episodes in thus far and it's I mean it's not it's so excellent but I think that it's like it's also devastating because there's so many realities about how embarrassing the entertainment industry is and like Valerie Cherish you know you like watch her husband having to deal with her and
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just can't help but think about people like Ernesto or Matt where it's like they're just trying to live a life and here we are doing a time step.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say at the same time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, defend us.
[SPEAKER_02]: He got to go to the Super Bowl.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, he got to do a glam bot.
[SPEAKER_02]: He got to see all these actors walk by the actor awards.
[SPEAKER_02]: He gets to go to all this cool shit because I got I get his opportunity.
[SPEAKER_02]: I fight for the plus one.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm there.
[SPEAKER_02]: stressing out having to work my ass off getting this footage making sure like I'm not there relaxing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not there having a good time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean I am these events are really cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, I'm there to create content.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm always like, what's the angle of the video?
[SPEAKER_02]: What do I have to do?
[SPEAKER_02]: How much?
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's there having drinks, having a great time, chumming it up with all these celebrities, going to the Super Bowl, seeing Bad Bunny perform live.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, listen, let me tell you, he's not complaining at these events.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's sitting pretty.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: he's like, okay, great.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have an opportunity.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have an opportunity to go to a Lakers game next week.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know when this is going to come out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I get to meet the cast of running point.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I like possibly do a video with them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And do you think Rina's was complaining about that?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he's not, you're upset.
[SPEAKER_02]: You get to meet Kate Huggley.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I guess I do understand that there is a side of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like, oh, we put them through the, are like, you know, like, we put them through all this, this all this turmoil.
[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, he's had a lot of amazing opportunities because of it and because of me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's not go too far.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not go too far.
[SPEAKER_02]: And let's not go too far.
[SPEAKER_01]: Make sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: There really is two sides of a Hollywood coin, and I love to see your rise.
[SPEAKER_01]: A couple of quick points before we cross over to the sub-stack of it all, speaking of the glam bot of it all, tell me, what did it feel like to have an actual glam bot done?
[SPEAKER_01]: And follow up was the long, curly-haired guy there, like I canceled.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, first question, uh, the glam bot was so insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: What we're telling listeners where you were when you were able to be shot by the famous glam bot, um, Ernest and I were at the actor awards formally known as the saga words, but now known as the actor awards with Netflix, um, and actually we saw the glam bot earlier in the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: they say that the more important you are as a celebrity, the later you get to the awards.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Ernesto and I were there when it opened.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we were the person who was there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we saw the glam buy and we saw people doing it, but we kind of just assumed that we weren't.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just like, oh, you have to be on the list.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, as a time went by, this girl that was like sitting next to us another influencer that was there, she was like, oh, yeah, anyone can do the glam bot just go so that we like snuck out of the influencer section, which we weren't supposed to do and we go to the glam bot and we just like wait in line and we do it and it's such a nerve wrecking experience, it's like,
[SPEAKER_02]: because it's just like I feel like you just want to do a good job and like you just like want to you just want to make sure your pupil finds the camera really fast and you don't want to be like those celebrities that like can have you seen the Sigourney we've ever I think so yeah where it's like the barely mind the camera
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, she's turning around and listening.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it's like ballet dancers have to spot when they do pure what's like, you have to be able to know exactly where the camera is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, it's what, like, three seconds.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're slowing it down so much that you have very little time to know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's, I knew that going in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I've seen the people that made the mistakes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the trick is, or at least when I told myself which I think worked, is that he's like, this is where the camera's gonna end.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like you just immediately have to go there, you can't find the camera to find.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just like go to the word.
[SPEAKER_01]: I see.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like the camera in the corner here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So my eyes went through right there to that spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did any part of you worry that you were going to be in a final destination, sag award edition and the camera was going to go off the hinge and plough for your skull and kill you?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like it's not like the camera is still so far away from you even though it's moving so fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like it's not like it's going to hit you in the face.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm picturing like they're just whipping the camera out of the go rope.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Ernesto and I were like kind of like trying to figure out what pose we should do and coal the guy with the curly hair was there and he was so sweet.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was so sweet he ended up he seems nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel bad about the whole whole kick He was so sweet and he helped us figure out our pose and he's like, how about because we were like, we wanted to do something like fun and maybe a little bit funny and he was like, how about you guys like turn from each other to looking at the camera?
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, and he was really sweet, but did he have to be sweet because now like after after being canceled You kind of oh, this was this was post this was post being canceled Like he was very sweet, but like at this point and I feel like he has to be
[SPEAKER_02]: But also he seemed I feel like he was seemed sweet.
[SPEAKER_02]: He seemed like a sweet guy even before he got canceled.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree actually like not us talking about something that happened months ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think he seemed nice and it was just like the DMs that he got for anybody who doesn't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: these DMs got published where he was like interacting with somebody who wanted to book him for their wedding, but he was like basically you can't afford it and it did come off a little like not great, but I yeah whatever it's I hope the glam bot guy is happy and well I think I get the criticism about the emails he did come off very kind of sending in root in the emails that's for sure anything he acknowledged that too saying that he
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think generally, like as a person, he seems like a very nice guy, and he was really sweet to us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is going to bring up, I see I could talk to you for hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to do another, just like, in terms of like, he got canceled because he really wasn't very known.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the more more the glam bots became a thing, the more more kind of scrutiny or just like, and the emails get dropped, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: You and the other hand have grown this giant platform.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you ever worry when you're
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice enough or have you ever had someone like post online that I met you in person and he was a dick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like does that ever have not yet they haven't they haven't said our haven't seen anyone call me a dick yet I am worried though like after an interaction being like I hope
[SPEAKER_02]: I was in, like, I hope I came off really nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope I came off really well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ernesto thinks I actually take it too far.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, I think he's like, people want to say hi.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's told me he's like, stop talking to people.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just want to say hi and potentially get a photo and then leave.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm always like, where are you visiting from?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, they're just like engaging and he's like, stop it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're doing too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just like,
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I feel bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to like, that's my worst nightmare.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also probably like going to happen one day like in this day like in this age of like internet and social media and like it's I mean hard to be like perfect 100% of the time and so like I'm sure one day maybe there will be an interaction that someone did an enjoy.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was this one time that I was in a bar, and I just felt like a natural end to the conversation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I was like, oh, it's so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it was really nice to meet you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, oh, yeah, I'm so sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I leave you alone.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll leave you alone.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like, sorry to bother you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, oh, no, no, I just assumed to like, you know, like, we were talking.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I kind of felt like, oh, did they think I was kind of like trying to end the conversation to be, I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that I'm no I'm not at Uleon and SOS audience size, but I am like starting to have people come up to me at gay bars specifically and that happened a month ago, or I was like it was so nice to meet you and then I heard this gay say to the whole group that I was talking to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's like fuck off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it was genuinely like a really nice conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a like it was like a you know solid conversation, but you know, it's it's just a funny it's a funny Existence and obviously just comes with a territory of putting shit out online whether it affects our social lives or our marriages or beyond But since we're gonna cross over to the other side.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just do a final question for this main interview
[SPEAKER_01]: we ask about character actresses on the main podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, you recently spoke about your top four films on current.
[SPEAKER_01]: Would you say that Sandra Bullock is a character actress?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my question for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I mean, personally to me, what I've seen, I don't think I've seen a character actress.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I go to see a Sandra Bullock movie, I wanna see Sandra Bullock.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: So personally for me, like what I, I mean, I love her and everything she's in and I love, of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she's two of my four letterbox movies, she's in.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, I love Sandra Bullock.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was miscongeniality and practical math.
[SPEAKER_01]: How dare you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, those are huge, huge, huge.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, I think, yeah, technically in miscongeniality, she's playing an ugly duckling in the beginning and then she becomes her, you know, but I still think there's like Sandra Bullock.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think she's going to say is like, I typically over index and say, well, she's worn away a single time.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's a character actress, but I think for Sandra Bullock, she does transcend obviously on Janus.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's not just giving like romantically, even though she's done many good rom-com.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think she's in a league of her own?
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that she is not a character actress.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I do think that she is perfect and whatever she is, just needs to make sure we include the word perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whether that is character actress or just actress.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that she is perfect and I is not being a character actress the bad thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's a good thing, but I think that like character actress has been so put on a pedestal on this podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want it to feel like I'm taking something away from her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think you need to look at yourself, actually, and think about why you put character actress on a pedestal.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like not being a character actress is okay, because the Angel Bullock
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so you think I'm now discriminating against Anjanus and against romantic leads and non-character stresses.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I just don't think one is better than the other, and I think clearly you do.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what, let's go fight about this around so stop because I'm not finished here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Before we do that though, will you tell these stunning listeners where to follow you, if there's anything you would like for them to know?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a, you can follow me at at Eulian or Nisto.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could also follow Jaz and I at a current Besties podcast at at current Besties pod.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you'd like to see me and my fat dumpy live, you can come see me on tour.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to Chicago, Austin, Denver, Dallas, Toronto before I wrap this one up and before I do my second tour.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, oh my god, it's all happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's an international performing icon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Current Besties podcast is a great new pod.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go follow Yulie at Yulie and Ernesto and go see that fat dumpy around the globe and Yulie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for coming on.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a gay ass.
[SPEAKER_01]: podcast.
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