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[SPEAKER_03]: It's March 29th, 2026, and I want to walk you through some of the most disturbing headlines connected to Baptist churches, evangelical schools, camps, and fundamentalist families during the month of March, as always this report has two purposes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: First, it's to catch you up on major stories that you just might have missed, but second, I hope this sheer volume of these stories leads to deeper conversations about religious systems that normalize and protect blatant abuse.

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[SPEAKER_03]: A pastor appeared to be shown on video pushing a female elder down cement steps outside a Buelolan missionary Baptist church in Gardina, California.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The incident took place on October 7th, 2025, and the pastor Lawrence Roseman was arrested the same day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was released two days later after promising that he would appear in court.

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[SPEAKER_03]: His alleged victim, Elise McDaw, fractured her wrist and toes as a result of the fall.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Roseman is continued preaching at the church, but not without controversy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: On March 1st, 2026, a group of church members and activists gathered outside the church to protest his continued ministry efforts.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Roseman maintains that a judge dismissed the entire ordeal as frivolous and suggests that this entire situation is a result of disgruntled congregants, quote unquote, weaponizing the legal system against him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: In 2016, Caleb Crawford was indicted on charges of indecency with the child, involving sexual conduct with the 12-year-old girl.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's required to register as a sex vendor for life and is listed as a moderate, risk level, meaning there's a moderate risk of reoffending.

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[SPEAKER_03]: In spite of this, his father, Pastor Eric Crawford, hired him as an independent contractor to work at Heritage Baptist Church and Heritage Christian Academy, a private K-4 through

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[SPEAKER_03]: Caleb served as the Church's music leader and handled maintenance around the properties.

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[SPEAKER_03]: To make matters worse, Fox 4 reports, parents told police that several staffers and teachers knew about Caleb Crawford status, but were told not to tell parents.

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[SPEAKER_03]: As I've reported previously, several parents did discover that Caleb was on the sex fender registry and began to withdraw their children from the school and call for accountability.

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[SPEAKER_03]: In a statement to CBS News at the time, Pastor Crawford said his intent was to allow his son's gifts to serve the ministry while ensuring that he held no role of responsibility or authority over miners entrusted to our care.

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[SPEAKER_03]: After backlash grew, he reversed the decision calling it an unnecessary distraction within our ministry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Shortly afterward, Caleb Crawford was arrested in Fort Worth for failing to comply with sex offender registry requirements and remains in custody at the Terrent County jail.

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[SPEAKER_03]: On February 19th, 26, the Church announced that Pastor Eric Crawford would be temporarily stepping down.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But in the latest update to this story, Pastor Crawford has now officially and completely resigned from his role at Heritage Baptist Church, as of March 2nd, 2026.

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[SPEAKER_03]: In a statement following the resignation, Church Leadership wrote, in part, we understand that trust is built through consistency, transparency, and time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: While we cannot address every question publicly, we remain committed to ongoing communication, and to ensuring that our campus procedures reflect the level of care and responsibility that families expect.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Richard Upright is a former teacher from Vandalia Christian School, an independent fundamental Baptist private school in Greensboro, North Carolina.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was arrested on February 27, 2026 on 10 counts of second degree sexual exploitation of a minor.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He appeared in court for the first time on Monday, March 2, 2026.

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[SPEAKER_03]: was revealed that 111 images containing child sexual abuse material was found on his devices.

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[SPEAKER_03]: According to detectives, Upright used AI and Photoshop to place his students' faces onto sexual images.

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[SPEAKER_03]: WFMY reports, a parent of two students, one currently in Upright's class and one

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[SPEAKER_03]: address the court and urge the judge not to release him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He described one daughter's fear of adult men, her reluctance to attend a dance competition in her difficulty navigating the school day without apparent present.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Not being able to protect Mike Child from that and being able to see this, the father said, is trying.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Upright was appointed a public defender at the hearing, weaved a probable cause hearing, and his scheduled to return to Guilford County District Court on March 31.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The investigation is ongoing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Joshua Bowlin has been actively pasturing at an SPC affiliated church in Virginia as recently as a month.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny thing about rock bomb.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks an awful lot like a jail.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So all that junk that I tried to hide so well had finally caught up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't the drinking though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wasn't the drugs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wasn't the fights that landed me there because the reality I don't want to go back to is that the charge that landed there was having sex with a former student who was in high school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And second it where I was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But understand that I know what dark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: filthy stained past looks like, and his darkest thing seemed in that moment, as far as I'd pushed God away and run, he still chased me down and found me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: In 2005, he raped a 14-year-old student when he was a 24-year-old teacher.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He played guilty to second-degree statutory sex offense as part of a plea deal.

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[SPEAKER_03]: According to court documents that were published by the Royce Report, Bowen was sentenced to 48-67 months and was credited with

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[SPEAKER_03]: After public backlash this month, his bio was removed from the church website, but it was unclear to me whether he was still officially employed or not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I decided to email the church to confirm his employment status.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I rep from the church responded a few hours later with a very sissying answer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I found out later that the church had issued a more thorough statement on March 16th,

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[SPEAKER_03]: As I was preparing this episode, I sat down with Geneva Dickerson.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's a former congregant at Mountain View Community Church, and she shed a lot more light on the situation at hand.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a clip where Josh is standing on the platform in front of the church and talking openly about spending time in a jail cell for in his words, having sex with a former student who was in high school.

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[SPEAKER_03]: When I watched that clip, I thought,

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[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't keep the secret, the congregation was fully aware, but I'm hearing from certain people in the comments who are from the congregation that they did not perceive how serious this was, how much knowledge did the congregation have regarding Josh's crimes?

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[SPEAKER_02]: truthfully, like I went there for two years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I went after that, you know, that video, that sermon happened back in 2019 on Easter Sunday of all of some days.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I wasn't there for that, you know, I was never communicated to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I had no knowledge, and I was there for two years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I served.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My husband served there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were there every Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a lot of other people that were there, you know, they were there that Sunday and they listened to it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And they didn't understand the seriousness of this to what effect was the congregation aware of the age discrepancy between Josh and his victim.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not even quite sure that the elders and the leadership at the church even knew the age difference.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's part of what, you know, you read their statement.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They, you know, they said, oh, new information.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I honestly think that might be it, because it doesn't seem like anyone had any idea.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's people that were at the family meeting that they called right after the article came out that they, they were like, oh, but she wasn't a child things like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, no 14 is a child.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think a lot of people just genuinely didn't, I don't think anyone had any idea.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you have any idea why they wouldn't clarify that they do a background check?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you know if any of us have been a kid?

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[SPEAKER_02]: They actually provide themselves in doing about background checks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, my mom brought my little brother one time, my family didn't go to the church, but brought my little brother to the, like children's worship or whatever, and you have to sign the man or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're like children's church.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And my mom asked the children's director, like, do you guys do background checks?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you basically vet your people?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, oh, yes, we absolutely do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that to be a fact, because I did children's worship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when I turned 18, they background check me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and they make that very clear whenever you want to volunteer or work for the church that you will have to have a background check.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Meaning that they did do a background check on him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: as someone who went through premarital counseling with Josh, how do you now view the fact that he was a counselor at the church without his criminal past being clearly disclosed?

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[SPEAKER_02]: when I found out, I felt lied to, like a trade because it was like, you know, I was told, and I even explained that I had a lot of fear about going to specifically someone does a counselor within a church.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was told, no, and this is great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a safe person, him and this wife, they're safe people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, like, just to find out, like, oh, no, that's not okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This isn't someone that was, you know, qualified for this position.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I felt lied to.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did everyone kind of feel lied to?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Was there, like, a handful of people that were upset about it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Were most just going, like, yeah, we kind of knew.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's fine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, what was the overall temperature of the church when this came out?

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[SPEAKER_02]: There were quite a few people that, you know, that said they knew, but I really don't think they knew it to what extent and I think that they were just

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, they felt this is the devil attacking the church because this is sort of hurting the church's image that it didn't really matter the details or the fact that they were lied to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there was quite a few people like that, but then I found that there were more so people that were just deeply saddened, especially a lot of people that were still at the church

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[SPEAKER_02]: if we can't, if we can't trust them on this, like what else is there?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's a lot of people that have left this church from all kinds of years, whenever, but that have had a lot of church hurt from this church, from the leadership.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I felt like there was a lot of mixed reactions.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So obviously, they parted ways with him this month.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Why do you think the church decided to act now specifically?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, because kind of forced them to, this information came out through the Royce Report article, and it just went crazy on Facebook specifically when then within our small town by the end of that day, which was a Tuesday, everyone that is on Facebook, no, and they had called a meeting for the next night on Wednesday night of family meeting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They responded to it now because they were forced to

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure whether their response was motivated by concern of their reputation, potential consequences within the SBC or loss of attendance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I really don't know, but what I do believe is that they didn't do this to protect the vulnerable or children.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They did this to protect their reputation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Pastor Scott Hot served as an associate pastor at Midland Baptist Church and Deacon at Grace Baptist Church in Michigan.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I posted to the Prejoy's podcast social media accounts that he was convicted of sexually abusing his own daughters and was sentenced on June 6, 2025 to 11 to 25 years in prison.

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[SPEAKER_03]: 15 people, including church members, friends, family and even inmates, wrote letters of support for him before sentencing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Midland Daily News recently reports that Hot was just tonight a retrial, this month, despite efforts from his attorney, Timothy Domain.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Douglas Jones passed her welcome missionary Baptist church in Pontiac, Michigan has entered a no-contest plea to attempted fourth degree criminal sexual conduct according to a March 10 report from the Oakland Press.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The plea deal resulted in the dismissal of an original 4th degree C.S.C.

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[SPEAKER_03]: charge.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Investigators said the alleged incident took place in August 26, 2024, in Rochester Hills, leaving to Jones arrest the following year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: According to the Christian Post, Jones initially pleaded not guilty before changing his play, although he maintains his innocence and just says he wants to move on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Here means free on a $10,000 personal bond while awaiting sentencing on April 30, 26.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The shirts and Jones Defense Attorney have declined to publicly comment ahead of sentencing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's worth noting that under Michigan Law, 4th degree criminal sexual conduct is a misdemeanor carrying up to two years in prison, those sentences for the sentences for attempted charges can vary under the state's attempt statute.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Parents at Greater Things Christian School in Dixing County, Tennessee, are demanding answers after learning that Robert Hinkens, a sex offender convicted of possessing child sexual abuse material in 2008, was still allowed to volunteer on campus.

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[SPEAKER_03]: News Channel 5 Nashville reports, on February 12th, Superintendent Chris Harris sent a letter to parents saying trust had been compromised by an error in judgment on my part, acknowledging he had allowed Hinkens to volunteer on campus.

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[SPEAKER_03]: On February 18, Hankens was booked for violating the terms of his status as a sex offender and multiple investigations followed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Five days later, on February 23, a statement from the school's executive leadership team said a review found the superintendent should remain in his role that he exercised for judgment, but that no child was harmed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: In response to backlash, the school announced new safety measures, including Raptor background check technology,

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[SPEAKER_03]: and the hiring of the Crane Law Group to review its policies.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Meanwhile, the Dixing County Sheriff's Office continues its investigation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Michael Howard, a former music pastor at Florence Baptist Temple in Burlington, Kentucky, and a member of a Christian rock band that regularly performed at the Archenkowner and Creation Museum, appeared in court for sentencing Wednesday, March 18, 2026.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This marked Michael Howard's fourth sentencing for the same crimes committed against the same victim,

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[SPEAKER_03]: As previously reported right here on the pre-to-West podcast on January 30, 26, an investigation to Howard first began following a DUI arrest, during which police uncovered incriminating messages on his phone.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Those findings prompted his victim to me Goodman to come forward.

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[SPEAKER_03]: According to court records, the abuse began when Goodman was around 14 years old, lasting several years while Howard employed him and served as a trusted church leader.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Howard pleaded guilty to four counts of Sodomy and two counts of sexual abuse involving one victim.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Reduce from an original 40 counts each of Sodomy and sexual abuse.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The court has ordered him to register as a sex offender for life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Howard's 15-year sentence will run consecutively with pending cases in Boone, Owen, and Carol counties.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Commonwealth Attorney Rob Sanders commented on the sentencing saying, we are pleased that this child predator will be locked up for 15 years, but if Kentucky would get rid of the 20-year cap on C&D felonies, we could have locked him up even longer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There should be no cap, especially on crimes against children.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've covered this extensively in other videos and I'll link to them in the show notes of this episode, but as you've probably seen, Joseph Dugger has been arrested for abusing a child.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Big County investigators received a tip on March 18th, 2026, from Tony Town Police about past abuse reported by a now 14 year old girl.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She alleged incidents during a 2020 family vacation in Panama City Beach, Florida, when she was nine years old.

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[SPEAKER_03]: According to her Joseph Dugger reportedly asked her to sit on his lap repeatedly, then next to him on a couch under a blanket where he manipulated her underwear, grazed her genitals, and rubbed her thighs.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The girl said Dugger apologized and no further incidents took place.

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[SPEAKER_03]: However, her father confronted him on March 17, 26, and Dugger admitted the actions to both the father and detectives.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Joseph is currently awaiting extradition to Florida.

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[SPEAKER_03]: People magazine reports that they obtained a call from the Washington County detention facility on March 20th, which gives us a glimpse of his day-to-day life right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: On the call, Joseph Dugger told his wife Kendra that he is spending 23 hours a day in solitary confinement, and that he's often reading the Bible during his time behind bars.

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[SPEAKER_03]: On March 22, 26, Liberty Baptist Church in Durham, North Carolina held a meeting to discuss alleged financial mismanagement by its former pastor Scott Gray.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Usures, if y'all would, get those off from plates, let's take a bar off or tonight.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I covered the story in detail when it broke, but I've obtained a recording of this recent meeting as well as several photographs taken within that were sent to me by people who were in attendance.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'll share a few key points here, but I promise there will be a much longer breakdown in a future episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Attorney David Gibbs III, who is the representation for the church, led this meeting, he walked the congregation through the church's finances and helped illustrate the damage left in Gray's wake.

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[SPEAKER_04]: When your pastor resigned, he admitted that the church finances were in disarray.

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[SPEAKER_04]: May I stop right there?

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[SPEAKER_04]: That might be the understatement of the evening.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, your church finances were a disaster.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Gibbs informed the church that an outside CPA from specializing in non-profits and churches was retained to recreate and analyze what records existed.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The process that we then instituted under your board's leadership and working with your pastor or leadership team, an outside CPA firm was retained.

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[SPEAKER_04]: to help recreate.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now you've got to hear me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There were like no records.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean things were just a shambles.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There were secret bank accounts.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean this is a harm job.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I wanted to get a little sense of this was not somebody to turn into receipts.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This was a absolute mess.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The CPA Farm came in to help recreate and analyze what records didn't exist.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The CPA firms recommend aid with expertise in the nonprofit sector and they work often with churches.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They call this one of the worst, if not the worst case they had ever seen.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And that is not some of you on here from your CPA.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The financial investigation revealed severe mismanagement under former leaders Scott Gray and then now deceased Tim Forky, with unauthorized and personal spending totaling nearly $400,000, just from late 2023 to late 2025, which was the scope of the investigation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Of that amount, $93,000 were unbudgeted costs, $90,000 were non-ministribulated expenses,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Gives her pedally suggested that this went beyond simple carelessness, but pointed to unauthorized loans attained by falsifying church minutes, paychecks being with hell from staff, max out credit cards being used in the church's name, and self-adjusted pay increases to Gray, which he said is illegal.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It appears that false minutes were created.

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[SPEAKER_04]: that Scott Gray signed these false minutes and that all he and 4G delivered these false minutes to secure these loans.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, this wasn't just, you know, we're in a modern doing, but I mean, we basically forged documents to run these loans on the Church's tab without any

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[SPEAKER_03]: A Christian camp director has pleaded guilty to embezzling more than $1 million from the Ministry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Blake Bowman had linked his personal PayPal account to Camp Thurman's bank account and used the Camp's credit cards to pay for personal expenses, including a subscription to a pornographic account on OnlyFans.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Bowman could face anywhere from 5 to 99 years in prison.

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[SPEAKER_03]: R.J. Jones, a boys basketball coach at Evangelical Christian School in Fort Myers, Florida, has been arrested for a sex offense involving a student.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Golfco's news reports that earlier this month, Jones was placed on administrative leave by the school after allegations of misconduct with a student.

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[SPEAKER_03]: According to an incident report, the school's principal reached out to the Lee County Sheriff's Office on March 4th to report allegations of a relationship between the student and Jones.

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[SPEAKER_03]: An arrest warrant notes an ECS teacher told deputies a student came to her, seeing Jones started a relationship with the student in December of 2025.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Mark is Jeffrey, a city council member and a youth group teacher at E-Sight Baptist Church was arrested on Tuesday, March 24, for striking seven children with a belt during a youth meeting on the property.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation stated that OSBI Special Agents reviewed video surveillance from inside the church.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Throughout the video, Jeffrey was seen holding a belt and swinging it erratically toward the group of children, striking a number of them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: At least one child had visible discoloration on their back, according to an affidavin.

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[SPEAKER_03]: On March 26, Steven Strong, a 50-year-old band teacher from First Baptist Academy in Universal City, Florida, was a rest of her charges of child indecency and grooming involving a 12-year-old female student.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Strong repeatedly pulled the student out of class for an authorized private band lessons to begin isolating and grooming her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Reporting from KENS5 describes how this quickly devolved into sexual abuse.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Police say, strong later asks the student to help model flag team uniforms, even though she was not part of the team at a never been.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She wasn't interested in flag, she's never been part of the flag portion of the band, Rosalda said.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But a mess of gettersay that clothing he provided was not affiliated with the school at all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He took it upon himself to purchase these online, there are a lot more revealing Rosalda said.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's something staff would not approve.

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[SPEAKER_03]: According to a rest record, strong allegedly asked the student to remove her broad during a fitting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She refused but was told she might have to next time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Police say during additional fittings the student was asked to try on revealing tops while strong photograph her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Investigators also alleged strong use to measuring tape and his hands to touch the victim inappropriately.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Doing inappropriate things with the measuring tape in his hands as well, as all is said.

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[SPEAKER_03]: After that, he made some drogatory comments, sexual and nature.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Police say strong isolate the victim during these interactions at one point sending her friends away so she would be alone in his office.

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[SPEAKER_03]: A statement from First Baptist Church of Universal City and First at Baptist Academy said in part that we are aware of the recent arrest of a faculty member following an investigation initiated by Child Protective Services in Coordination with the Universal City Police Department.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The safety and wellbeing of our students are in our highest priority.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You take this matter with the utmost seriousness and are committed to maintaining a safe, secure and supportive environment for every child entrusted to our care.

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[SPEAKER_03]: These are just some of the major headlines that you might have missed in March of 2026.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you'd like to see my extensive reporting and citations for all of these stories, you can head over to preacherboys.substack.com and it's all available in this week's newsletter.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much for tuning into this episode of The Prejudice Podcast.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I look forward to seeing you in the next episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You've been listening to The Prejudice Podcast hosted by Eric Swizinski.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The intro music, Bible Belt, was performed by Lou Ridley.

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