[SPEAKER_00]: Hello everyone and welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole with Quark Dax and their good friends Tom and Harry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yooooooooor, host for today are my fellow trek actors, Armin Schimmerman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, hello, hello, hello, well done both of you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like your background you and I both have the station and the background.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, which seems appropriate for this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does it does a lot happens a lot of I guess news and new angles ways of thinking of people happen on this
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I remember when I read this script, I was shocked by the ending, um, but, um, you know, they keep you guessing.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: They really do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about some birthdays.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about some birthdays.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, this month.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got Tara Poland on March 30th.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday, Tara.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, Tara.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we also have on April
[SPEAKER_00]: carry happy birthday happy birthday carry let's get some poetry going there rubby let's do some poetry some etymologies deep thoughts about episodes and titles language and communicating and this is this is a one of my favorite parts of our podcasts all right here's my poem
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually made another poem and I totally scrapped it this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Seriously, yes, but it was worth it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was worth it before you continue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is the other poem completely different from this one?
[SPEAKER_00]: Completely different, because I went down the plot path.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can't go down the plot path.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my new.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, for me, it's got to come from a feeling and a character.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I like to see work in progress.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you wouldn't recite the first one just to show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I deleted it off the duck completely gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay, forget it.
[SPEAKER_00]: working and darn it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's another one that I am proud of works.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bashir feared he'd be seen as a fraud as a child.
[SPEAKER_00]: He felt nothing but flawed.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what he concealed was never revealed now was the time to let down the facade.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ah.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot in fraud.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you rhyming dictionary.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could do, yeah, I was just thinking that's hard to have something that rhymes with odd.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very, you know what I'm saying, the ending is a little odd.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to have something rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude, rude
[SPEAKER_01]: Marquis de Saud, Marquis de Saud, could have that in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, here's my Hiku for this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Peshire, I presume.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ram can't voice his heart.
[SPEAKER_01]: Peshire's parents surprise him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ram bests Zimmerman.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice, hi-coo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love this, the spare nature of a hi-coo.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it gets right to the heart of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'd like my first stands of the most, my first verse, which, Rom can't voice his heart.
[SPEAKER_01]: I felt that it was more poetic than my normal, very good style.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's very nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Edmology time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our Zoom, it's Edmology time.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And let me tell you what you mean by Zoom.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, presum is from the Latin, forgive me you, Latin scholars, pray, zoom air, pray, zoom air, or perhaps from the French, pray, zoom air.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it means to take upon oneself,
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, undertake without adequate authority or permission, that's, uh, sort of, to venture upon or to take liberty.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that is the, that is the etymology for presum.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, there is more to the title than just presum.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I presume, Dr. Bashir.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to just, um, take
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh, thank you, sir.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this may be a common knowledge to many of the people out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It may not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sadig al-Fadil, or as he's come to be known, Alexander Sadig, is from the Sudan.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so Bashir happens to be a Sudanese name.
[SPEAKER_02]: And coincidentally, the country was under the thumb
[SPEAKER_02]: From 1989 to 2019, who overthrew Sid's uncle, Sadig Almadi in 1989.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it is interesting that
[SPEAKER_02]: when we were doing the show, the man running the country of Sudan was also Bashir.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they did they really select that name because they had no idea that he was Sudanese.
[SPEAKER_02]: That, again, I don't know, originally this character was meant to be older, and as I understand it, and forgive me if I'm getting this wrong, Rick Burman so loved what he saw of Sadig's performance in a film.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wanted him for the captain, and when they, when they brought him in or when he sent in the tape, they found that, oh, he's much younger than we thought he was, but so they
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, so Perman wanted him, he saw, he wanted, originally he saw us to dig in a film.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he thought, oh, that would be a good person for our captain.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was in his mind until Sid either showed up in audition or set a tape or they sent a photo.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what the situation was.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when they realized, oh, he's much younger than we thought he was, because obviously he was in a lot of makeup when Rick's on on the film.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: They next him for the captain, but they still wanted him in the project.
[SPEAKER_01]: So basically, he, he bourbon still wanted him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he said, well, make him the doctor, who was originally written to be older.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they scrapped that idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there was another name to the doctor is to, that's where I should have started.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The doctor had another name.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't a bit sheer.
[SPEAKER_02]: So whether they chose Bashir because it matched Sadig, I don't know, but I know they did change the name of the doctor, the character of his name.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting because, you know, his uncle,
[SPEAKER_00]: As you described there, what I just was reading about that case, his uncle did overthrow another family member.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was Sid's dad, wasn't it, or was it?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I thought that for years.
[SPEAKER_02]: And because I was doing exploration on what I'm about to say, but I just said, I found out much to my dismay that I'd been lying to people for years.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't his dad.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... but but it was a member of the family of the family i went to the great privilege to have dinner at uh... sitting in the house and sit's mom was visiting she had gone to the mall and there were some Sudanese people who had recognized her as the uh... member of the once royal family uh...
[SPEAKER_02]: And she invited them back to the house for dinner at the same night, the kitty and I were having dinner with sitting in the night.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these people from the Sudan could not look at it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They thought that he should be the rightful king.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: And what I've just read in the last couple of days is probably more to the point, which is it's not just a royal family, it's a religious family, in the sense that he's the descendant of of a prophet.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so there's a religious overtone, and as Kitty said to me, well, that's maybe why they couldn't look at him because he represented some sort of religious figure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like a Bajoran profit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Sudanese profit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Sudanese profit.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what you're telling, so what you're saying is that Sid is the crown prince of...
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I used to say that full confidence.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I don't know what the lineage or the lineage is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I used to think it was Sid's dad that was overthrown.
[SPEAKER_02]: doing a little research this past weekend.
[SPEAKER_02]: I realized, oh, don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not true.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't his dad.
[SPEAKER_02]: His dad was high up and his related was related because it's all the same family.
[SPEAKER_02]: I used to say that Sid was hamlet that that his uncle was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've heard you say that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I realized, no, I've been wrong about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for all the people that believe me, I lied.
[SPEAKER_00]: in the innocently lied, but he was close.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean the spirit of your story is true that he was connected to a very prestigious political and royal family and he was somewhere in the line of that royalty enough that he commanded a lot of respect.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I find most interesting is if they change the name of the doctor to Bashir, then that was the authoritarian in power at the
[SPEAKER_00]: that person was the very first head of state to be issued a criminal arrest warrant by the International Criminal Court.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is a international fugitive now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe they didn't know it when they changed it in and they were like, Oh, with the head of Sudan, we'll just give him that name.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't really look into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he turned out to be a really bad guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he turned out to be a really bad guy, and I, you know, someday I'll corner Rick and find out of why they chose the name Bashir, but all of those scenarios that you just described are very possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fascinating etymology and history lesson in one little footnote, Sid was not the only royal in our cast, Renee.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Renee.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was also a royal.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was the son of a princess.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had no one.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could see that in occasion.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had zero royals.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we did have royalty walk on as background.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had the the crown prince of Jordan And didn't you guys get flown to Jordan, which I didn't some people It was Ethan and Bob who went and somehow my invitation got lost in the mail
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you would have thought I was verbally invited by him, Robbie, and then for some reason Bob went.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know what happened there, but it was weird, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of your crew, there's a graphic at one point that Sid is looking at, or it's behind Sid's back, and I could swear, it's Jerry Ryan 799.
[SPEAKER_02]: What character it bind him?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a graphic, it's not her, it's just a graphic, and I go, is that 799, right, bind him?
[SPEAKER_01]: in this episode is what you're saying yeah i can't tell you maybe i wrote my notes but no i'll look out i'll rewatch it again because now i want to see this have to be funny uh rattle dmore teleplay story by a person who we have had as a guest on the Delta Flyers Robbie you remember Jimmy Dave's right or Jimmy Dave's?
[SPEAKER_01]: Very interesting man and talented writer.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the one that pitched this story, but what's funny is that after he pitched it He did not hear anything for one year one calendar year when he received a call from Ronald you more He originally thought it was a friend playing a prank So he literally had to make more prove that he was really more
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, oh, it's very funny, it's, I don't know why they would take that long to get back to him because they were super busy.
[SPEAKER_02]: But let's just look at our own stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it took three months for me between my first audition for Quark and my being told I had the job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's a quarter of a year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how long yours was, but mine was three months.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mine was long too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Robbie, yours was not long, I don't think.
[SPEAKER_01]: mine was not long.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was doing a play in New York at second stage theater and they called and said, you know, because you had to guest start on the show that want you to come out.
[SPEAKER_00]: and audition basically go straight to testing and they want to make it come like next week.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we didn't have understudies at second stage because it was a Lord contract and they weren't required to have understudies.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it would have had to cancel a performance for me to go to the audition and I call my agent and I needed that Star Trek job badly.
[SPEAKER_00]: At that time, it had been a lean year put it that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, um, I needed it, but I call my agent and I said, I'm going to have to tell them I can't come for two weeks until this play closes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they can wait,
[SPEAKER_00]: I will come out the day after we close and I'm happy to do it, but I can't, we don't have under studies or day off, I think I said, anyway, they waited.
[SPEAKER_00]: They waited for a week or two, whatever, right after the play close.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I came out and found out, I think that day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, seriously, you auditioned and found out later that day you booked it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ladies and gentlemen, that never happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, that's why Robby's the golden child, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, he's like the mightest touch.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Armin waited three months, crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I waited two and a half months, Robbie, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know how, guys, you know how when you walk in the casting directors office, the series regulars that are cast, their headshot is pinned up on the cork board behind the casting directors head.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when I walked in, Tim Ross and Roxanne Dawson were already cast.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were the first two cast on that show.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then later Robbie clearly in that two-and-a-half month span Robbie and then everyone else pretty much other than Kate We're cast so long process and I was the first person cast for Deep Space night really Were you really even though it was a three-month process it's still you were still the first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was the one I was the first one cast Yeah, all righty anyway good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy digs please one more thing about him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah He as a writer has I think only got credits for Star Trek
[SPEAKER_00]: work.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a big fan and a very, you know, we talked to Jimmy, he started as a parking lot security guy down in San Diego at a low budget TV studio with his name, Stu Seagull, productions.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was the, he was parking lot security security for Stu Seagull and I think Stu Seagull would come out and, and he'd ask Stu questions about how do I be a writer and how do I, how does, show his work?
[SPEAKER_00]: And,
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how it happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: He took, I think I worked there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he did the invisible man there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you did then.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, my head friends on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You drove on to the lot when Jimmy Diggs was being secure to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you probably did.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is unpleasant.
[SPEAKER_00]: This writer or the story by was security in the parking lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but he's done seven episodes of tracks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Six from Voyager and one,
[SPEAKER_00]: uh uh this one with deep-says nines so he's pitch stories or sold scripts to so i said repeat again how many did he do for Voyager?
[SPEAKER_02]: six six.
[SPEAKER_02]: So is that maybe the reason why he wrote a story for for Bob Carter's character?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk more about that in trivia.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yes, that's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Directed by our friend David Livingston and of course guest stars Brian George as Richard Bashir a very close dear friend of mine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I was very, very happy to see Brian there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, we met doing a movie and oh my god, I forgot in the name of the movie, but we became close close friends after
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm so happy for you to tell us that because my first question that I want to ask you right now is, is that his normal accent or did he put that accent?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not his normal accent.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he has, he's from Canada.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's not UK.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not UK.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a, it's a wonderfully sort of muted cockney accent that he uses.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it is in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sure they said, damn, well, you know, Sid has got a British accent, a very high fallout in British accent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Brian probably said, well, I can do a cocking accent and he showed it to him and he never came out of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was spot on, I thought, for the whole episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm even more impressed on him because he chose the cockney accent or maybe that's just by default that that's the one he can go to.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it works for the show because usually the the working class parents you know work their their fingers to the bone to provide for the son who then becomes the doctor you know and has more of a pocket accent which makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: but uh... i was i was very i listen and with that no that's not brines it's close but uh... because brine has a slightly uh... maybe it's from living in Canada but he has a slightly uh... anglo anglo accent but it's not anywhere near that got it yeah okay wonderful uh... max credentials wrong chase masters in his leader
[SPEAKER_02]: That's also using an accent, by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Max, we didn't check.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, you see, not the way he talks on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just love the bye, later, later.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fadwa, Elgindi, as I'm shot, Bashir, Jay Patrick McCormick, as Bennett, and Robert Picardo, as Lewis Zimmerman, I had no idea that he didn't even film this, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I vaguely remember dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't at all know about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good.
[SPEAKER_01]: You did but I had no clue when he came on screen my jaw dropped like a Bob What I thought I was fun is the nating.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like what is happening?
[SPEAKER_01]: But you do recall him saying hey guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna go guest R&D.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's nine.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've heard yeah, remember that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Bob did DS9, Ethan did it, and Tim did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, from our cast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Margaret.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tim did it before there was a Voyager.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tim, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Was he?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Tim did it before there was a Voyager.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's in two for you then, probably.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: that makes sense, but I, Robbie, I thought it was later.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought he was, there's an episode early on where the burning on to in, no, no invade.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right, because they're trying to play on their tricks, but he works for the true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, that's trying to steal the, that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: A little bit trivia here, the original phrase Dr. Livingston, I presume, was said by Henry Morton Stanley, a reporter from the New York Harold, sent to find Dr. David Livingston.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess he spells it with an E, but it was still a Livingston, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or it was a Livingston.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Livingston.
[SPEAKER_01]: Livingston.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very, it's very famous.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Livingston.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is commonly to Livingston.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he was sent to find Dr. Livingston in Africa when Stanley found Livingston.
[SPEAKER_01]: He greeted him with the now famous words coincidentally David Livingston directs this episode and his kind of amusing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Zimmerman obviously named after Herman Zimmerman a production designer for TNG DS9 and a production designer.
[SPEAKER_01]: The production designer for TNG, DS9 and the four TNG movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the esteemed Missio Zimimong.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's who he was named after.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the right of our trivia there.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's dive into this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: What we start off in Quarks, Ram is telling Quark.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's ready to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to ask Lita on a date.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then she comes over, he stumbles, fumbles, and then leaves, and lead, I think it's all her fault.
[SPEAKER_00]: And corks says, you know, Ron needs a woman with brains and a body.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she says, what are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got brains.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of my favorite parts.
[SPEAKER_00]: So take your brains over to that dog table, so the customers can get a good look.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very cork.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very court.
[SPEAKER_00]: He quirks got a few misogynistic lines in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he's quite quite a few quite a few, but after 30 years of not doing the show, that's one of the lines I remember.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very clever.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very well written, even though it's offensive.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very well written.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is offensive.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's meant to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I did want to say David Livingston found an opening shot and some angles and quirks that I felt like were, I know they can't be brand new, but he framed them in a way with that glass, the stained glass, just centered up beautifully and symmetrical.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he shot quirks beautifully.
[SPEAKER_00]: This, this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he did it well.
[SPEAKER_02]: He had been there enough times, you know, to explore the place, add infinite.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, he's this whole episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he did a wonderful job and just beautiful angles and great blocking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we we see beautiful quirks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, I think better than it's ever looked.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looked beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fun scene with establishing that Ram is just nervous around Lita.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we cut over to Miles and Bashir playing Darts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Miles says Bashir should be a father someday.
[SPEAKER_00]: He does mention this, you know, you should
[SPEAKER_02]: and of course it's an in joke because he has just become a father.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, that's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think about that, but that's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: But sure says he's not the father type in the scene, which is very ironic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, because he just became a father.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then Bob shows up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Zimmerman shows up, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_01]: he arrives and says he's here to make Bashir immortal and I did like what David did which was made into surprise you hear Bob's voice before you actually see yeah yes and so that was clever yeah yeah and the minute he spoke I was watching with making maybe it was like that's a familiar voice you already knew it was Bob immediately I didn't pick it up on it but
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I just quickly read this to both of you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, very quickly.
[SPEAKER_01]: In Jimmy Diggs original version of this story, the Bashir Zimmerman plot was the B story.
[SPEAKER_01]: The producers were uninterested in the A story, but they loved the idea of Zimmerman using Bashir as the model for the LMH and decided that it was worthy of being an A story in enough itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, they were aware that a comedy show dealing with holographic doctors would not be enough to sustain an entire episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they decided that to make things more interesting, Zimmerman would have to discover some dark secret from Bashir's past.
[SPEAKER_01]: as Renee Achevariah says of Ronald E. Moore, his instinct was that there needed to be some big secrets that Zimmerman uncovers, but we couldn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: For the life of us, think what it would be.
[SPEAKER_01]: According to Moore, I kept saying, what's the secret of Bashir's past?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the thing that this guy's Zimmerman is going to find that's so interesting?
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember that Renee, and I started talking about genetics, and Renee pointed out that genetic engineering is one of the things that is oddly missing in the Star Trek universe.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a concept that's very much out there in science fiction and even in the real world of science, but
[SPEAKER_01]: In Star Trek, it's virtually never discussed, aside from the fact that there was this thing called the Eugenics War at some point, and Khan came out of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That conversation ultimately led more to come up with the idea that Perchier was genetically altered.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You were in a head that combo.
[SPEAKER_01]: and it led to this story point, the plot point.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's awesome, I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love this story and it sounds like it was a real Jimmy Diggs gets credit for the story by, but it sounds like a real collaboration.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it does.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the idea of the story.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they accomplished it as well as they could have.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because genetic engineering is an interesting topic, but it's not discussed.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's very brutal, but it isn't discussed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's incumbent upon Star Trek episodes, not all of them, of course, but for me, a great many of them, to talk about social issues.
[SPEAKER_02]: And to talk about scientific issues as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a scientific issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have liked to, we're getting to it later, but I would have liked more discussion about genetic engineering.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, that makes sense and it does make sense and I don't disagree with the armament, but I will say for me, this story was delivered in a relatable kind of family relationship way and I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love when they can tell a story that's universal, but everybody's gonna...
[SPEAKER_00]: get into, you know, eugenics or genetic engineering, but they introduce that and use that to tell a human story.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I liked this episode, is because the sci-fi or the science kind of took was the vehicle to deliver a human story, which is my favorite kind of personally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, favorite kind of search.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I understand you're being interested in the family side of it and and we all are of course But this is deep space nine.
[SPEAKER_02]: We talk about family a lot Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's so it's not that we're rehashing the issue It's just it's it's an issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's easy to go to we can always talk about family on deep space nine because everybody lives together
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: It really bothered me that he didn't defend his being genetically engineered.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just reluctantly said, I'm, you know, it's a lovely scene where he sits.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a fraud.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I would have loved for him to have defended.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's not that terrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: right this is this is why why are you taking it out not only a me but other people who've been in engineered this way um that's not anywhere in the episode he doesn't ever defend his origins
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we also don't know why it's illegal.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't really go in depth into what happened into the past to make this such a travesty.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you cannot do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, it's a lovely Easter egg that they pull out of the past shows and movies.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they leave it alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't disagree with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been nice to have argued the ethics a little deeper and the specifics of genetic engineering a little more detailed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't disagree.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I still really enjoyed this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: in the way they formatted it and what they just do yeah they gave you this whole story from the family perspective which you love the inclusion of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love Bob's performance.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love Bob's room.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ram and Lido.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I thought David Livingston did some very brave and unusual things.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get to it later.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: To me this one was imperfect but
[SPEAKER_00]: one of one of my more favorite episodes, honestly.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was really great.
[SPEAKER_00]: We go to the captain's office next, and before that we see the station in space, and did you see Voyager flying away?
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you looking for Voyager?
[SPEAKER_00]: I see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw that too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Guys, is that good?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but we...
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there, it wouldn't be there
[SPEAKER_00]: Zimmerman's Philly Gensisco and his request, Starfleet Medical is chosen to be the template for the LMH, the long-term medical hologram.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where he lays it all out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just think Bob is great in this scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: the thing I love about what Bob did here is because Zimmerman based the EMH doctor on his own Zimmerman personality.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, this is a very human version of the doctor, you know, that we're accustomed to envoyage or it's it doesn't have that kind of
[SPEAKER_00]: precision and robotic sort of coldness.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got this little messier.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just thought Bob, in his nuanced way, in the Bob nuance way, Bob's not the most nuanced actor that I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in the Bob nuance way, he found some great, you know, similarities and details.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also like the fact that Bob actually took the time to kind of tease out the hair to make a differentiation between the doctor, we know REMH and Zimmerman, Bob does, and I think it's great because sometimes you need that visual cue to remind you that, oh yeah, okay, it's Zimmerman that you're dealing with, so good job to Bob Ricardo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he lays it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Zimmerman lays it all out saying that the original EMH was will probably be used for decades, but it's going to, it's going to become obsolete.
[SPEAKER_00]: This new LMA.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, he lies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, I'm not because obviously he's on a nation.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's on a nation.
[SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't died on us.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but he says this LMH.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the LMH should be the thing on on start.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it should be a long-term medical hologram.
[SPEAKER_00]: It should be said.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know what, we never see that ever again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Usually our writers are really good about reminding people of things they've done in the past.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we'll never see a holographic doctor that looks like sedeges of a deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's too bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is too bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I was excited about the whole idea of LMAH being sedicated.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that makes it easier.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said it wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said long range.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's long term.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Long term medical.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he lays it all out and Cisco says we'll get you what you need.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Cisco's very proud of Bashir, which I thought that was sincere and warm that moment at the end of the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was really nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: We go in the infirmary of Brian's working up on a ladder, but she was answering a question error that Zimmerman gave him, his likes, his dislikes, personalities, has basically, miles thinks this is hilarious, he says Julian will irritate hundreds of people that he's never even met.
[SPEAKER_00]: a nice banter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Zimmerman scans him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did want to make a note that Bob took the scanner up above and I don't know if you remember but Sid looked up at it and then the doctor pushed his head.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like having worked with Bob for many years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bob is a master of bits and props and physical comedy stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is meticulous about business.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wouldn't be surprised if that was Bob's pitch.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's quite a few moments like that in this episode where I'm like, oh, I bet Bob pitched that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was his pitch.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that moment where we're said looks up, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: I bet Bob pitched it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I hate to carp, but obviously I like to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He looks up, Bob pulls up his chin down so that he's not moving.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Brian says something, and Sid looks over there and I thought, well, if he can't look up, he shouldn't be able to do that either.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: The very next thing he does, and he doesn't correct him for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we go to Quarks Cafe.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's your Cafe, Armin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're up on the upper level, again David Livingson, this beautiful, you know, shot from up above, and then he zooms out.
[SPEAKER_00]: David uses the zoom on a telephoto lens quite a lot in this episode, which I think is very interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not typical for that time period to use a zoom.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very 70's film kind of technique the long zoom, but David uses a lot in this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: So very bold.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we see Zimmerman and Bashir are looking down from up above and Zimmerman is very taken with lead as brains, it appears.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wants to interview her, and he says he's gonna have to interview everybody that knows Bashir.
[SPEAKER_00]: As parents, when he mentions his parents, we see Bashir get a bit uncomfortable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Odo arrives as Bashir to get a health certificate for a cargo ship, so just before Bashir leaves, he says to Zimmerman, please don't contact my parents.
[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't been close for years.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did note the doctors' response, he goes, I understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't say, yes, I won't contact them.
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said he quit.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, yes, he equivocates there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which I knew, of course, he was going to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as soon as Julia leaves, he makes a note to himself, contact parents immediately.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I caught to the infirmary next.
[SPEAKER_00]: But she was looking at his hollow doctor, he's looking at himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: He does mention the eyes look a little dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which I thought was interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which she did perfectly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's performance.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you do as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look dead eyes, they have dead eyes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That reminds me of my favorite podcast, by the way, I'm going to go in a tangent, listen to the podcast, Dead Eyes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a name of podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's about an actor who is in theater school in England, auditioned for Band of Brothers, got cast, and then was fired before he ever shot a day.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's because he heard the story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why was I fired?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well Tom Hanks looked at your audition tape and said you had dead eyes and so he he's like Tom Hanks thinks I have dead eyes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't be an actor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen to this podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's incredible about gun actors, neuroses, talking about how little things can define your life for decades and he's very funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a wonderful podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: That reminds you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we go to the infirmary.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're in the infirmary.
[SPEAKER_00]: Zimmerman activates the EMH.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to transfer the program over.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the LMH actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: The LMH right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to transfer the, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the LMH.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, Zimmerman activates the actor.
[SPEAKER_00]: The actor is the long term.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but he activates the doctor EMH for a moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to transfer the program over to Bashir, the LMH.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the EMH gets jealous.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the note I made.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a moment where where the EMH doctors are like, what do you mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So how did they do that?
[SPEAKER_02]: How did they put both the same actor as two characters in one scene in one frame?
[SPEAKER_02]: How did they do that?
[SPEAKER_00]: He did it a couple of ways in this episode quite a few ways actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: Usually a lock-off in a split screen, but not always.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was one moment where Bashir is looking at himself close.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a split screen with a green screen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the hand came up to adjust something to remember that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he actually took his finger, Robbie, and he pushed the other Bashir's forehand up like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so how did he do that?
[SPEAKER_01]: How did they film that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it's so great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sid's in the...
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what they did, I think, yeah, is they first shot Sid as the, as the hologram Yeah, with someone coming up and maybe someone else coming up and doing this and shot that Yeah, and then they lock the camera off then they put a green screen in and they had Sid walk up
[SPEAKER_00]: and just pretend with his shoulder, yes, to reach over the hand was from another shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: For, okay, because you don't see below the frame, so the hand coming up was in one shot, then a green screen with Sid pretending to put his hand right.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just show the suggestion of the move of the shoulder to make it more fluid.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very clever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great job David to look to interact those two pieces of film that are have to be done separately.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a press lover.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very impressive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did like that our EMH gets jealous when his program's being transferred over and
[SPEAKER_00]: He starts to protest when Zimmerman just turns the EMH off, which we did a lot on our show.
[SPEAKER_00]: We turned off the EMH.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did.
[SPEAKER_00]: But sure is worried in the scene though that his holographic self is not zesty enough, I think he says.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Zimmerman says, well, I have to find out your personality from your friends and your friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says he doesn't say family yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I have to find out your personality.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it'll be Zesty.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, but sure says I hate it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate it to be boring and Zimmerman says there.
[SPEAKER_00]: There may be no preventing that, but we'll see what your friends have to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: So clever dialogue is, yeah, we go to the Wardroom next and another creative moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: David Lemisen just banging him out.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the interviews right into camera.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just jump cutting all these interviews.
[SPEAKER_00]: We see Cisco saying positive things.
[SPEAKER_00]: We see Jake saying sometimes he gives too much information.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kira's got an opinion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't know when to shut up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dax says he was very persistent in his advances.
[SPEAKER_00]: We even see more and get asked a question.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think of that, Armin?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was a betrayal to Mark Shepherd who should have again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Principal pay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm going to disagree with your guys at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a runner, a comedy runner that more and never speaks, that I thought of if you don't use it too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how I'm saying, Robbie, that's how I'm saying it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He should have gotten credit.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't get any film credit.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no co-star of Mark Shepard, there's no guest star, he didn't get, they just used him.
[SPEAKER_00]: that's true picture that is not right because he is he is portraying a running joke now at this point I don't think he should have any lines it have you ever heard of a background person who had a character name
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, so the fact that he has a character named that, and he is focused on all the time, yeah, yeah, what he's actually there's no, yeah, there's an action figure don't go I bet there is, yeah, well, there is not a bet here is, yeah, there's another that's sad, yeah, they screwed they screwed they screwed Mark and and Mark and I had many conversations about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I told him how to fix it, but
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: But whatever reason he didn't follow my advice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I hear you.
[SPEAKER_01]: What I do like about this interchange Robbie is that everything flows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every person that's being interviewed flows into the next person's answered into the next person's answer.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's written quite well.
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not until Lita pops up for her question that we ever see the doctor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or she'd ever see Zimmerman.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we see O'Brien.
[SPEAKER_00]: We see Miles saying, you sure he's not going to read this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Zimmerman says positive off-camera within Lita says so, is that all?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we cut to Bob with the very end.
[SPEAKER_00]: One other thing, will you have dinner with me tonight?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I love to be executed by David, it was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I love the interchange.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the fact that they paired up, you know, was having Zimmerman having Bopacardos, character have this crush on this DS9 character.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lita was really kind of out of that field.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did not expect that, but it worked well for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: They was quite apropos because you had two Italian-American actors in the same scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: So...
[SPEAKER_01]: Jason Bob.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it is a credit to our supporting cast that, you know, lead to occupies a great deal of this show.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's come a long way from being a double girl.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a credit to Chase Masterson that she gives such a good performance.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they, and the writers felt that she could handle being in the spotlight for as long as she was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are Chase for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_00]: We go to quarks next.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're down down at the bottom.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the camera's down at the bottom.
[SPEAKER_00]: Zimmerman and leader are up on the top level.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is a slow zoom in from down below.
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, David Livingston using some very different techniques that we've ever seen on DS9.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's zooming in very
[SPEAKER_00]: Ram is looking up there at them on the date and we just hear voices.
[SPEAKER_00]: We catch parts of this conversation and we hear leaders say quarks a lot of things but he's not fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Zimmerman says I bet you are.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're a fascinating woman.
[SPEAKER_00]: Charming intelligent and Ram can't stand any of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: All these compliments.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ram can't take it anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do, I do like Robbie the fact that Rob is literally adjusting his ears as if it's an antenna to get a better idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know that, and then it's all of a sudden.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when you do hear the lines from both Lida and from Zimmerman, from Bob and Chase, they've add a little bit of distortion to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like he's hearing it with his Feringue ears.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they do cut to a close-up of the two of them then in conversation, and then their voice returns to normal.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I like the delineation between
[SPEAKER_01]: the super-hearing of the fray of wrong downstairs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that too, but it took me a while to come to that realization.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: When he started playing with his ear and staring at Lita, I thought something else was going on for a little more than that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right there in the middle of the rest of the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right, I mean, nobody knows.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you thought he was doing self-blocking himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he was doing boxing himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when I saw,
[SPEAKER_02]: When I heard actually, when I heard the voices get more clear, I would, oh, he said, as you pointed down, he was adjusting his radar so that he could hear better, which, by the way, has never happened before in the show and will never happen again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That somehow, for anger, capable of focusing their ears in a way to hear better.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: The general concept is they can hear everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Regardless, without having to put their hand up there, got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But so that's why you were fooled in a thinking he was beginning self-umox because he started lying and talking with his ear.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because that is what he's doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's playing with his ear.
[SPEAKER_02]: The beginning is playing with his ear for some other reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in public, that would be very bad, I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: We cut upstairs and Lida and Zimmerman are still talking privately.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's pouring on the compliments when we...
[SPEAKER_00]: We see Rom run in.
[SPEAKER_00]: He needs to talk to Lida and they step privately aside.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like this too, shot with Bob in the background.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Rom's getting very nervous.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says it's very important and he wants to ask and he starts stumbling again and he ends up saying, would tomorrow be good for me to fix your replicate?
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's very disappointed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I can't say it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can't say it.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we go to the captain's office next.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bashir and Cisco are talking about the air quality.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bashir is kind of concerned about it when suddenly DAX enters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Says there's visitors for Julian and his parents arrive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Julian is very nervous to see them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of have awkward embrace.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say when DAX entered,
[SPEAKER_00]: David did this big pan in the wide shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you like that?
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that kind of stuff is active filmmaking.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just coverage and letting editors decide.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's giving a little emphasis to
[SPEAKER_00]: This interruption that's happening, the camera's saying, whoa, we're in the middle of a conversation, but someone's interrupting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's important news.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's his parents arriving.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I thought it was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Awkward hugs, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Awkward.
[SPEAKER_00]: We cut to a commercial.
[SPEAKER_00]: We come back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, David, this is me just loving David's work in this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Starts with a hand shaking and a tight shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Helping up to go into the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: So planning for these transitions in a nice way.
[SPEAKER_00]: His dad, Richard, is a talker.
[SPEAKER_00]: We realize he's got this cockney accent we talked about.
[SPEAKER_00]: It also sounds like his dad has done a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of different things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you start to wonder, hmm, what's the phrase, something of everything in a master of none?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's that phrase?
[SPEAKER_00]: The jack-a-ball trays have been a master of none.
[SPEAKER_00]: Master of none exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like that's what I got from this very first scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the jack-a-ball trays in a master of none.
[SPEAKER_00]: It says he's a landscape architect now and he said the Zimmerman called and they need to come right away for a project that he and Julian are doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure his mom does not want to bother them, you know, the captain and Bashir so they leave yes, Richard Wink's at the end of the scene, which I liked, looks back at Julian.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice energy from mom and dad in here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I especially liked Richard, what's the actor's name that plays?
[SPEAKER_00]: Brian George.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought he was his energy was great and I I'd certainly like my friend Brian, but I was really I really like the lady playing them on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what's Brian's background culturally, because George is definitely a non-descript English name, but I want to say I should know and I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, forgive me Brian.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe he's partially Indian and partially something else and I don't know what the.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did a little research since we've been doing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got a couple of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: His father's Jewish.
[SPEAKER_00]: His mother is, I know his Jewish.
[SPEAKER_00]: East Indian, they lived in Israel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Briefly.
[SPEAKER_00]: When he was very young, then they moved to London, brief for a while, and then to Toronto.
[SPEAKER_00]: So high school was all in Canada and things like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did notice that he trained in Toronto at Second City.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're John Candy, trained in Germany.
[SPEAKER_02]: originally he was a comic character actor yeah where where we did I wish I could remember the movie if it's a it was a Bruce Willis his first movie I was in it and I can't remember the name of it so it was Brian and Brian did a lot of improv in the movie he was really yeah and and we were sort of a tag team he was the major D and I was the French waiter yeah it was a fun time and and because Brian and I did all the restaurants scenes together we became close friends as we waited for our
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does he live in Los Angeles now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Where's does now?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: He lives in Los Angeles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Richard's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love his wink at the end of that scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: We go into the infirmary next and hollow Bashir keeps walking into walls.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: It might have made column very happy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can see.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can see not only is a Brian happy, but column mini is also the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say that because you have Bashar walking to walls on one side of the frame and the real human Bashar walking into the room, you had to do a lock-off at the top of the scene to get that split screen.
[SPEAKER_00]: But David did continue that wide shot into the room and stayed wide through the whole scene, which I wish
[SPEAKER_00]: He had held back, let that split-screen work, and then covered the scene, this was one where I thought it was a little aggressive in terms of the lensing of the scene and missed some of the moments because of the wide angle, but she was mad in the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: and he asked Miles for privacy, Julian is mad at Zimmerman because he invited his parents and Zimmerman says, I need their input, period, and he leaves.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why that wide-angle lens to me missed some of the intensity that a tighter lens could have given to us emotion sort of stayed in that wide-angle lens.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, here's a question that I have for the episode that perhaps this scene is indicative of a Bashir's Madison Roman for inviting his parents.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one has ever asked Bashir whether he wants to do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: He agrees to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But considering what we learned later in the episode,
[SPEAKER_02]: Why doesn't he say, you know what it's called the soft.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Knowing what he knows.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got my parents here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm done.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't have to do this anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that would have been my natural response.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I had a deep dark secret and he was getting too close, I never asked for this, you know, he never asked for this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It isn't, it isn't that important to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: At all, it doesn't have to do with his medicine.
[SPEAKER_02]: His aspirations or his ambitions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just call this off.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is your idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: And actually, it's never explained to us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why is Zimmerman pick but she here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he says Starfleet Medical chose Bashir.
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't why did they pick Bashir?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a young doctor in a far-off station.
[SPEAKER_00]: The only reason I can think is because what we learn later, because of the genetic engineering, on paper, he is an exceptional doctor.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if they're, you know, if Starfleet Medical is not the first in his class, we've already knew that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not the first in his class.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think Sid was too happy about how they sprung this on him very much last minute.
[SPEAKER_01]: He learned like two days before filming began that his character really was genetically altered.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a that's a big deal as huge deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he yeah, and when I put him through a lot in this season Yeah, they put him through a lot in this season.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not to mention he's just become a father.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we go to Lita's quarters next and the doorbell rings just as Lita has gotten out of the shower.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she's in a towel and the doctor arrives with flowers and while she goes in the other room to get dressed, he's looking for a vase while he tells her that there's a cafe on Jupiter station that needs a manager.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's all this vase business that I felt like that's Bob.
[SPEAKER_00]: He came up with all this.
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, moving around the room and picking up the bowl of balls, whatever that was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he has to have padding down his hair in the mirror.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's heavy on business.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, as I watched this scene, I was like, oh yeah, that's Bob.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is, but Robert, in my, in my reaction video, talks about this particular scene for this episode, but I was laughing because
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, when we see Bobocardo as the EMH envoyager, he's in sick bay doing the business.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's his territory.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's in lead as quarters.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is someone else's home.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's picking up all of her decorations, moving to the rally.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like that is so
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a little bit crossing the line there because you don't go into someone's home and start rearranging what they've flipped, you know, put up or put down Yeah, yeah, well He he does say that they're looking for a new manager and he says he took the liberty of speaking to the commanding officer there and They're amenable to this idea the cafe is yours if you want it and then she comes out me my own cafe and she's naked this to me
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't buy this, someone would walk into a room completely naked just because they're excited about getting a job.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make any sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: How would they have filmed that exactly?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just clear on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's on her back, but clearly she has no top-on and she's her hands or they would put it on her face.
[SPEAKER_00]: She has pasties on them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Clearly.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're covering.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure she had four models.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: tax on to the front side of her.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but we can't see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I'm going to say that's in very that would be asking a lot for her to flash Bobbacardo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you know, it's still very vulnerable to have an actor whether you have on, you know, face these are not it's very vulnerable and and it was not necessary for her.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it wasn't at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's okay to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of misogyny in this in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there isn't
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it was awkward.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't funny in my opinion, and it was not necessary.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, but she realizes she's not dressed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Goes back to get dressed, and we hear she's dressed really quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you can count two seconds between when she's standing there in the altogether and then when she's got the dress on already.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, she says she's not experienced enough to have her own cafe and he expresses that he's getting feelings for her.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he asks her, please come and she says she needs to think about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know what she's going to do, what's leading him to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: We go to the guest quarters, it's a family dinner, very tense.
[SPEAKER_00]: He does mention he was much nicer to people when he ran a shuttle and Julian says you were a third class steward and you got fired.
[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't run a shuttle.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're starting to reveal some of this jack of all trades master of none.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a storyteller.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Storyteller.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this morning when I woke up before doing the episode with you guys, I realized there's a lot of similarity between Brian's character Richard and Andy's character.
[SPEAKER_02]: That maybe this is why the sheer is drawn to...
[SPEAKER_02]: It is that maybe this is why he's drawn to Garek is that there's a lot of his father in Garek It's a story teller.
[SPEAKER_02]: He makes things up to make himself look better Interesting like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes a lot of sense and when he was talking about being a shuttle steward I kept thinking well the energy that Richard
[SPEAKER_01]: Bashir gives off his more of used shuttle salesmen, as opposed to someone actually working on a shuttle.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was my- Yes, that's worth it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they discuss his environment at this tense dinner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Julian says, please be careful with your answers or my career could be over.
[SPEAKER_00]: Richard even says they could go to prison for this, whatever this secret is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Bashir, you know, it starts getting heated, Bashir storms off.
[SPEAKER_00]: drops to the floor out in the hallway, and this is very stressful for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Classic, we've all been at those family dinners.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I like the fact that the actors allow themselves to get loud in this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you watch actors, and they just, it seems where they're supposed to be at a certain level, and it's very subdued.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, this is a matter of taste.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't mind them getting loud.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought they were loud for too long.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so you wanted to pull back a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want them to get loud.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want them to show their emotions.
[SPEAKER_02]: But have levels.
[SPEAKER_02]: But just hitting the same note, after a little while, gets repetitive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I direct plays, I go, yes, do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, now come off of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we go to the Rappel mat next, Lita, once from the stay, she's basically, or once rom to set, tell her to stay.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's basically begging him, like, ask me to say, stay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Please, say something.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what we call it, teeing it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's literally teeing it up for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I have a reason to stay?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's very clear, but it's so hard for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, you feel for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, and she asks again, I guess I'd better take the job.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I, great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Over time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, here's my quam, about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys now have watched five seasons of deep space now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ram has been there since the first episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have watched Ram matriculate.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have watched Ram learn to be more of himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why are we reverting back to the first couple of episodes where Ram can't speak?
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, okay, it's about love.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but he's beyond that now.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not the sort of self-facing person he used to be man ran a union strike the man is an engineer the man quit his job The man has stood up to his brother on several occasions He's not the wrong that was there in season one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why are they reverting back to season one wrong?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that could have been solved in the episode if he had said that to someone.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand.
[SPEAKER_02]: I totally agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I will talk about that later.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I totally agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Any had the opportunity.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he did.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a scene between the two brothers where he could have said something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so how many times does this happen?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it one, two, and then finally he gets her?
[SPEAKER_01]: How many times does he not be able to say?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, at least three or four?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I almost feel like one way around it, other than what Robby said, that's a great example.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had another scene where he told somebody else, hey, I don't know why I can't even verbalize what I'm trying to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would have been great, but the other other way to handle this, I feel is if
[SPEAKER_01]: you kind of went where with rom can only speak in engineering terms.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he starts sort of trying to talk to Lita but it comes out just like he's talking about work but that's the only way that he can say anything to her and she doesn't pick up on what he's trying to say, you know, for something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think he had has more gumption.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is what he shows, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And more confidence.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, more comfortable.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got you.
[SPEAKER_00]: We go to the infirmary next and parents come in.
[SPEAKER_00]: They want to talk to, they want to talk to Bashir.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't realize they're talking to hollow Bashir.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't either, though, did you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did I?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I already clocked out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did because he had the dead eyes kind of look.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sid was playing the halibus here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I knew in this story at this moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, the real Bashir would not just stand there quizzically and you know, you know, I validated in some way in my brain that that that was I was I was fooled I was fooled.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was fooled too.
[SPEAKER_00]: They reassure him that they had their interview was Zimmerman.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't mention that he was genetically engineered as a child.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was where
[SPEAKER_00]: They basically put it all out on the table.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all there and then they leave and that's when O'Brien and Zimmerman come around the corner and they turn off the LMH and Bob Zimmerman kind of walks forward looking very
[SPEAKER_00]: Curiously off at at the parents that just left.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it a Brian?
[SPEAKER_01]: Robbie that says who are those people?
[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't a Brian say that?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it should the LMH says who were those people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the LMH says that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah Okay, that's when you kind of know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, yeah, the sheer doesn't know his own parents.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah We go to Bashir's quarters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bashir is me
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, he is really mad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Miles is there, Miles asks if it's true what they said, the parents said in the other room.
[SPEAKER_00]: But sure says yes, he admits it all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some really wonderful performance moments in the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: He tells the story.
[SPEAKER_00]: He struggled as a child when he was around seven years old.
[SPEAKER_00]: He got these genetic treatments and suddenly excelled.
[SPEAKER_00]: His IQ was shooting up five points every week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything about him was altered and improved.
[SPEAKER_00]: Miles Wonders didn't they realize that you were something had changed and he says, I thought a very important idea suck out to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: No stigma is attached to success.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is a great
[SPEAKER_00]: observation of life like when people are successful we don't question.
[SPEAKER_00]: the negative or the possible reasons that they're successful.
[SPEAKER_00]: We just look they're successful.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we do it in our real life now.
[SPEAKER_00]: People look at billionaires and go, wow, they're billionaires.
[SPEAKER_00]: They must be doing something right, you know, as opposed to a way to minute.
[SPEAKER_00]: We should be skeptical about success, whereas Bashir in the scene says there's no stigma attached to success.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're successful, you get a pass on everything and we should be skeptical of never ever seen that written in anything have you Right, you know that I've ever heard of that way, but it was it jumped out at me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, any filmed entertainment that I've seen in my life I've never seen any characters say something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I like that line.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great nugget of wisdom sure is But be sure at the end of the scene it says that he's gonna have to resign before Zimmerman files his report and
[SPEAKER_00]: He needs to be alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, great scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a lot of great lines we could go through at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a wonderful performance.
[SPEAKER_02]: And because Garrett has told us that he only had two days a prep to think about this and God knows when they shot this scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: That really good performance by said, and in this scene, I would have liked him to slightly defend the fact, well, that's what I am.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not that bad after all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have I ever stepped on anyone's toes?
[SPEAKER_02]: Has it ever gotten in anybody's way?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Has anyone ever been in the hands?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now they're going to kill my career because of something I had nothing to do with that actually made me a better person a better doctor Yeah, a better companion a better friend I would have loved to have some of that where he's defending himself not just accepting that he's a freak It's okay to accept that you're a freak.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get that, but I would also like to him to defend himself
[SPEAKER_01]: He throws in the towel too quickly.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just sort of like, okay, I'm done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you win.
[SPEAKER_01]: I lose.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just say something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is one of those scenes where the actor was out of focus in the background.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I missed that we didn't have a real tight shot of the sheer alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he's telling this story that he's had to live with,
[SPEAKER_00]: all by himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wish we had had a moment that wasn't just in that kind of profilely too shot or, you know, miles in the background, but something that was just really in his emotional experience and something really tight on Bashir.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's a lot, a lot of baggage coming out in the scene that's very internal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also remember Robby the last episode there were the most tight the tightest close-ups that we've ever seen So it's like they used up all the EEC use that they were okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: We won't do it in this episode Right We go to Quarks next.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's after hours Rob's got a drink quarks cleaning up.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the first time we've ever heard about Nog's mother in the entirety of the series, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, great back story on Ram here that he first made a contract with Prinadora to be married for limited amount of time and have a child.
[SPEAKER_00]: When he fell in love with her, he wanted to extend this contract but he didn't read the fine print and she ended up leaving him and Nog for a richer fringy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He does say, Quark has a line here where he says, in the end, her father swindled you out of all your money, and Prinadore left you for a richer man.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish you had said, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: A man, for some reason, Armin that jumped out at me, man, being a human, rather than a forengu.
[SPEAKER_00]: And usually that kind of,
[SPEAKER_00]: those kind of nouns or pronouns are adjusted to fit the alien species.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in that moment, it jumped out at me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish they had adjusted it.
[SPEAKER_00]: How?
[SPEAKER_02]: That makes a good catch.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good catch.
[SPEAKER_00]: Quark does suggest try the Vulcan love slave program.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's new.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll forget all about Lita.
[SPEAKER_01]: He mentioned this before.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is second time he said, this is what you need.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right here.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is your Vulcan's Vulcan's or Panfire, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, if that's the only time it happens once every seven years.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to be intense.
[SPEAKER_01]: It could be intense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Ron picks it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't look.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know what he's considering.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's considering something at the end of that side.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got it in his hand and trying to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, it's once more a quark rightfully so.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had no problems with this whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_02]: being sexist and a little bit, not squeaky clean, just Iki Iki, Iki.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is the scene where I think Rom could have explained why he has problems speaking to her.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, why does he not speak?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it because the different species?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it because she's so much smarter than he is?
[SPEAKER_02]: That she's much, so much prettier than he is.
[SPEAKER_02]: There could be a barrier that's needed in this line.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I would have understood, okay, this is what's keeping him from talking.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know about you guys, but for me, I often didn't ask a girl out on a date because I just thought she would never say yes to a character actor like me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, you know, and that, that was what kept me from doing that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have loved something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, from him at this moment, which explains why he can't speak.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not that he's incapable of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I would understand why they went back to rom and season one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're 100% right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would have been an improvement in this scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like the opportunity.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do like the interchange between ramen cork where rom says Lita is not Prindadora cork says she's a female rom.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the one constant in the universe is females are trouble.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: under yes yes I did I did like that yes yes but we're all men another misogynistic comment exactly well we go to Bashir's quarters next Richard wants to fight this whole thing his dad is not happy that he's gonna lose his his doctor ship
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and Richard says he wants to come up with a new plan, and this just triggers Beshear, who says that's all this family does, it's just come up with plans.
[SPEAKER_00]: We never take responsibility for our problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: Julian says, I think his dad calls him jewels at one point.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's all called jewels, they call him jewels.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, I'm not jewels.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Julian, and basically says you're not my father.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, you're, you're an architect of my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not a father to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And very painful there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure pleads with Julian, you don't understand what it feels like to be a parent, to watch your child struggle or suffer, and you blame yourself as a parent when this happens when your child is young.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you have to understand, we did this because we loved you.
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't do this to architect you or we did this to, because we loved you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he hugs his mom that lands for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a really nice moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved that part of the family story.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the best moment in the episode is her speech.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought, yes, and being a male, I never looked it that way, but that seemed really from the heart.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had the supposition, sure or not, but I had the supposition that Laura Bear might have had some input into that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's such a female point of view.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a maternal, and to me, it connected as a man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's being a parent, you know, that you make mistakes because you're just trying to help your child.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're just trying to make life.
[SPEAKER_00]: better for them in some way easier for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, easier.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you try the best you can.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you fail sometimes in the kids, you know, don't they don't see that it came.
[SPEAKER_00]: It started because you just wanted to help.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that perhaps I had done something while I was pregnant that would have caused this to happen to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: The guilt of that just seemed
[SPEAKER_02]: a very forgive me being sexist again, a very female point of view that I as a man would never have thought about, but that made just be me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love that it comes from her that it lands for Beshear here and they hug.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a really nice moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: at the very top of the scene, Richard says he's not going to take this lying down and he's talks about legal counsel and fighting this all the way to the Federation Supreme Court, have either of you even ever heard of that this even exists?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I've never heard that before.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a Federation Supreme Court.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's news to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do have one little quibble in this scene near the end after the hog in that moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bashir goes and sits down in this two-shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's over mom and dad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He goes and sits down.
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved that moment and I know why David blocked it that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then he immediately stands up and leaves.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that was literally unmotivated blocking for an image of Bashir sitting between, you know, trying to figure out what to do between his mom and dad.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just felt like
[SPEAKER_00]: it was locking for the tableau of that moment and then he stands right up.
[SPEAKER_01]: You would have left him sitting down then if you were calling the shots in the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the scene with him would have left him there.
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't have to leave again.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got that too.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's just why is he sitting down only to get up?
[SPEAKER_00]: Although it did turn Brian George, who plays Richard, it did turn him into watching Bashir leave into a nice moment of close-up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it it pushed on then.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there was a trade-off of unmotivated blocking for a couple of moments that were nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: We go to Captain's office next, Bashir arrives to talk to Cisco.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the next morning, I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Cisco already knows everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the parents are there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we see the hollow communicator that we established in an earlier episode, a couple of episodes ago, is in the office, and Admiral Bennett is hollow, hollow communicated right into his office.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a great technology.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't have the film money or budget to do it right at this point in time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish they hadn't done it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish it had just been on a computer monitor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Admiral Bennett's there says that they've made a deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: His dad will go to prison for two years in Julia and can continue his service.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Julia doesn't think this is fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels very guilty about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Richard says, no, I am the one that chose this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to take responsibility.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that means a lot to Julia and I think here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they all agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they're going to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they leave and Julia's left kind of confused.
[SPEAKER_00]: emotional sad at the end of the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see what Richard said where he's going to be serving his time?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do that clock with you, Robbie?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, New Zealand.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where Paris Tom Paris started out in the pile of the penal colony in New Zealand.
[SPEAKER_00]: So look at that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a lot of prisons in New Zealand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, clearly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we did get some backstory from the admiral about 200 years ago, we tried to improve the species through DNA sequencing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what do we get?
[SPEAKER_00]: We got the eugenic wars.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for every Julian Bashir, there was a consing waiting in the wings.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we do deal with some of the mythology, Star Trek mythology of eugenics or the genetic sequencing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we did have a cool shot wrapping
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a very inventive and very cool shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree a hundred percent, but I my heart went out to the actor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, his face was not on camera.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is his shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: He only has one scene pretty much one speech in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's walked on to a set which I know from experience because so many people told me which was so off-putting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything looked new to the guest stars.
[SPEAKER_02]: what is all this?
[SPEAKER_02]: They may have seen the show, but it was the first time they were actually in the space.
[SPEAKER_02]: In this case, hopefully, thankfully, there were no aliens to look at.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there he is with this big speech to make an emotional speech.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the camera is moving around him and he has to be aware that even as perhaps he's fighting to remember his lines.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought, yes, it's a beautiful speech and David was right to do it, but I just felt for the actor who was put in this position.
[SPEAKER_00]: right who's never got his face on camera for this big long speech.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean to argue the other side of that it is a bit of pipe and backstory and information that speech and so to see the information land on the other people as we also support this idea of a hologram communicator in the foreground.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was a fair trade-off, and maybe they did cover the actor in a single.
[SPEAKER_00]: I bet they did.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they just chose not to use it in the edit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I hope they did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise, it would have been a really tough day for me if I had been put in that situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we go to the airlock next.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's leaving.
[SPEAKER_00]: The family's leaving.
[SPEAKER_00]: Julian hugs mom.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he tells Richard that he's going to visit him in prison, which is.
[SPEAKER_00]: a little bit of healing in that relationship and and they hug as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Richard does say he may usher in a new Renaissance in landscape architecture.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll certainly have time to work on my design.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's he's a jack of all trades doesn't give up on his uh he's like donkey hoaties.
[SPEAKER_00]: Always my big brakes right around the wall.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even prison is not he doesn't get him down.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, as the Bashir's
[SPEAKER_00]: Lita is leaving with Zimmerman here, and then we hear some noise.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, we hear this noise.
[SPEAKER_00]: It gets louder, louder.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ahhhhh, it gets louder and louder.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait!
[SPEAKER_00]: He's out of breath.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been running.
[SPEAKER_00]: I liked that intro.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was very fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Roms there.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: He loves her.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't leave.
[SPEAKER_00]: She says I love you too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lead is very sorry to the doctor.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Docs happy for her.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says maybe he's just meant for a solitary life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And suddenly a pretty alien moment passes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he chases off after the
[SPEAKER_00]: distractions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then let's not forget that that leader and Ram kiss.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what's interesting to me, not that they kiss.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: This waves a nice moment, very nice moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Kudos again to Chase Masterson.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you really look at Ram's teeth, that's difficult to get another mouth around.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're pointing at all kinds of drugs.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are, and they're pointing out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: According to Chase Masterson, in an outtake of the scene where Zimmerman boards his transport and propositions and alien women, Robert Picardo changed his lines, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever heard about my work on Star Trek Voyager?
[SPEAKER_01]: of course he did.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's so funny, I'm so sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, he scripted line was excuse me, are you familiar with the ancient text known as the Commissature?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, you remind me of an etching.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he replaced it with his own version which bar does for every now and then just to get some laughs and he usually does get some big laughs.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to say that this episode originally ended very differently in the original story of Brian finds out that there are problems with the LMH.
[SPEAKER_01]: which have been deliberately caused by Zimmerman because he doesn't want to replace the EMH.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bashir then informs O'Brien that Zimmerman is planning to reveal his genetic engineering secret, so Brian goes to see Zimmerman and tells him that if he exposes Bashir, his deliberate errors with the LMH will also be exposed.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is some back and forth discussion and in the end, neither secret is revealed.
[SPEAKER_01]: The alternating was actually because of Sidig who didn't want to play a
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, and it's a good note.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, said, great note.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we've got one last scene in this in quarks where ramen leader are at the dabo wheel, true love.
[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy zoom out to a dart board, or zoom in, I guess, to a dart board.
[SPEAKER_00]: David's finishing with the zoom lens again, transitioning from the dabo wheel to the dart board
[SPEAKER_00]: But Bashir and Miles are playing Julian starts to think him, but Miles says, nope.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's in the middle of a throw.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, just play.
[SPEAKER_00]: Miles wins that round again.
[SPEAKER_02]: So did Zimmerman reveal what Miles had said about Bashir to Bashir?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that why he's thanking you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I think so.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's why he's talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he's telling everybody secrets.
[SPEAKER_00]: Miles Suttonly thinks in the middle of this game though that maybe Bashir has been letting him win all along since throw for real, Julian throws three bulls eyes, Miles Sutton basically out of the dart area, out into the bar, out of the park, out of the park, out of the park,
[SPEAKER_00]: which it looked like he would have to throw a curve ball to get around the pillar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he says, you play from out there, I'll play up close and if that doesn't work, we'll try blind.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm liful.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, very funny, very funny, any of the episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about theme less and more all this episode, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you have?
[SPEAKER_00]: I have two lessons.
[SPEAKER_00]: One is just because you meant to be helpful, doesn't mean you didn't cause some harm.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's actually very good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my my lesson was from the family there another lesson was via Lita cork and rom with corks quote one constant in the universe But I would change it to females are not trouble
[SPEAKER_00]: It's my lesson.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what do you have for us, Armin?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm a tangential to what Robbie just said.
[SPEAKER_02]: My theme is that males are shovinistic, thick-headed cavemen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's...
[SPEAKER_02]: Rom Zimmerman being misogynistic, it's a cork being misogynistic, it's in the sense rom being a little not thinking that she can handle this information, that leader can handle this conversation.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think, and I'm 100% behind this, that men can be just pigs, and just insensitive to what's really going on, and I say that in front of the two of you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not that you guys are, but no, but I don't disagree.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think genetically we are wired.
[SPEAKER_00]: to be pig headed sometimes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And stupid, just stupid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: My great Garrett.
[SPEAKER_01]: Less time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Number one, lesson one, the truth, will set you free.
[SPEAKER_01]: And number two, you can't always get what you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have two lessons from there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Zimmerman, they should keep trying.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he'll keep trying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, the truth will set you free.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I may be wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I may be totally wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think this relief ever shows it's on the sheer part.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ever shows itself in any other future episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: I may be wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: But maybe in the next episode, it's there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't remember it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, our Patreon poll winner for the theme slash lesson slash moral this episode as submitted by Nicole Bertel is never let the past define who you are, but let it be part of who you will become.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm, great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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