[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Jamie See Show, a soft place to land for visionaries, the feelers, the heart led leaders, rewriting the rules of business.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Jamie See author, educator, and eight figure founder whose work blends nervous system science subconscious rewiring and story driven strategy.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you know that your work is meant to reach more people, if you crave a business that feels as good in your body as it looks on paper, you are in the right place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go way beyond formulas and we go into the felt.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is business.
[SPEAKER_00]: Reimagined through softness, strategy, and soul.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's begin.
[SPEAKER_00]: How did you regulate your nervous system at the beginning of your business versus now and what has changed?
[SPEAKER_00]: First and foremost, in the beginning of my business, I had no idea what nervous system regulation was.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I didn't even know what the subconscious was.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had no clue.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you were to ask me how I was regulating, I wasn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not at all, I don't think I knew what that was.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I just felt so uncomfortable and my way of probably regulating then was just to stay busy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just to go on to the next project, it was just to keep moving so I wouldn't feel anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is not how you actually process anything in your body.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so now my process of regulation is massively different.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will always take the lens of massive self-compassion and curiosity.
[SPEAKER_00]: I always like to say that any time that we have an internet or thoughts that are bouncing around in our brains or anything like that, if it is pressurized, if it's this feeling of you have to, you should, you need to, if there's any thoughts that are unkind, let's just say, I want you to take that and I want you to put that voice into someone standing in front of you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if someone was telling you, you should know better, you should be doing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why aren't you there faster?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's wrong with you?
[SPEAKER_00]: You would probably feel a lot of embarrassment.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'd probably feel a lot of shame.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the body would naturally begin to shut down and or retract.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the nervous system would naturally go into some kind of response, whether that be fight, flight, fun, or freeze.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, when you take the lens of compassion, and you put that,
[SPEAKER_00]: Inside of somebody, speaking to you, hey, you're good, you're fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no rush, you're doing the best that you can.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay to make mistakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could imagine how much softer the body would feel.
[SPEAKER_00]: So even just that alone would change the entire energetic field of your body.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you add neutral curiosity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder what's going on here.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is fascinating.
[SPEAKER_00]: how interesting and set of what's wrong with me, why I need to fix this, what's going on, what's going on, or to completely dismiss your own body's response, and to just numb out, keep busy, and do all the other things, because it doesn't, it doesn't go away, just comes back.
[SPEAKER_00]: It numbs it for like a little bit, and then it comes back with full vengeance.
[SPEAKER_00]: So curiosity and compassion.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's something that would have thrown you off in the past?
[SPEAKER_00]: But wouldn't now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think something that would have thrown me off in the past is if someone was to leave their position.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when I had a team and someone would say, hey, I'm gonna go into a different direction.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if it was amicable, even if it was neutral, it really brought up so much inside of me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I never really understood why at the time it had affected me so much until I started doing some deeper investigative work of myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had realized at any time someone left their position, it was triggering an experience of someone leaving in my life, whether it was a boyfriend or a grieving or a loss or a death.
[SPEAKER_00]: It all kind of just meshed as one solid experience in my body.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, I couldn't look at the information in front of me as this person is no longer in alignment which is so natural and normal in business.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some people will work with you for long periods of time, sometimes they won't.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in my body, it was always registering as grief, as loss, as something was wrong with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now, I've done a lot of work around loss and grief and getting my body to a really safe place.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that when someone does decide, hey, this is no longer an alignment for me or I found a different position.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a very neutral thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel very happy for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm able to do a lot of feedback in terms of things that they were enjoying in the position, things that we could work on in the company, and it just feels pretty neutral now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just know that it's a part of business.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just kind of the evident flow of owning a business.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you could go back and tell yourself one thing when you were first building, what would it be?
[SPEAKER_00]: If I was to go back and tell myself one thing, I think I was already doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I firmly believe that time exists all at once.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take a journey with me for just a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: Five minutes from now will feel like now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ten minutes from now will feel like now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if time is always happening and you could always connect with future versions of yourself and you
[SPEAKER_00]: parts of yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming that there was a part of me that was talking to her and she was probably already connecting with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking that she was probably the one that told me to keep going.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't quit.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: This feels really hard right now, but maybe it won't always be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that there's always a future version of yourself that you can connect to.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm assuming that the
[SPEAKER_00]: Pass version of me was connecting with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the difference between how we used to handle slow periods versus how you handle them now?
[SPEAKER_00]: The way that I used to handle it back then was not any awareness at all of what my body was doing or what my mind was doing or what it was actually trying to protect me from feeling.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for example,
[SPEAKER_00]: When you recognize that the body is saying something to you and it's communicating to you, it's trying to tell you something.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's trying to protect you from something.
[SPEAKER_00]: But all I felt was massive urgency.
[SPEAKER_00]: This feeling of, I need to fix it now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to, I need to do now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was this, you are not okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to move.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to fix because you are not okay with this
[SPEAKER_00]: in between space, or you were not okay with not having what you think you need.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the reality of it was my body was saying, you are only okay when you have made a certain amount of money.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your body only feels a sense of okness and baseline safety when something outside of you is happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: which meant I was completely lacking any internal safety whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_00]: What internal safety actually means is that when something is happening outside of you, whether sales dip, whether you're not getting the engagement or things aren't moving as fast as you expected them to, you still feel okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: because the thing that's happening out here isn't dictating whether you feel okay, isn't dictating whether you are questioning yourself, it isn't dictating whether you feel worthy or deserving, it isn't dictating if you are successful or important.
[SPEAKER_00]: inner capacity and inner safety means I know that I'm okay no matter what I know that I'm important no matter what I know no matter what's happening outside of me I know that I'm okay I know that I'm not going to attach a story of I know that I'm not going to be attaching a story that if sales dip or engagement isn't high that it means something about my goodness or my
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that I trust myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that I feel okay inside my body.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that creates a lot of grounded energy to look outside of myself with curiosity.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it allows me to be able to take action from a very neutral ground as a place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Decision making from that space is a lot different than urgency decisions for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: How did you see success at the beginning of entrepreneurship versus now?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is the difference?
[SPEAKER_00]: So in the very beginning of entrepreneurship, success looked very, very different for me than it does now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it really was the situation of, when I was in the very beginning stages of entrepreneurship, I had no clue about what the subconscious mind was.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had no clue what the nervous system was, aside from the fact that I just knew that I wanted to,
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wanted to help people and when you are unaware of how you're operating, you are unaware of why things feel urgent or why you second guess yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: For me, success was.
[SPEAKER_00]: urgency.
[SPEAKER_00]: Success was I need to get somewhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to make money.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to be okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even when I started making money, that didn't go away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because when you are operating from that place, everything is always urgent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything is always, I just need to keep going.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you prime your body to do that, success was like, oh, how much money can I make?
[SPEAKER_00]: How much money
[SPEAKER_00]: but in actuality, it was fleeting.
[SPEAKER_00]: It never felt like true success.
[SPEAKER_00]: Success to me now is seeing my clients change their lives.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is the feeling of knowing that the money is always gonna be a byproduct of me following my joy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's always gonna be a byproduct of me doing the work that I love and me believing in myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just know that that's a byproduct and every time I really sit with the fact that my clients are changing their lives and they're running their businesses differently.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're learning more about their energetic space.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're learning more about how to be leaders and how to guide different and to speak different and they're more confident and they're more regulated and they feel calm like that to me is the best thing on the planet and that would be success in a nutshell.
[SPEAKER_00]: What helps you trust your strategy when you can't see immediate results.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is such a great question.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you are implementing any strategy and you don't see immediate results, what I always focus on is, did this feel like something I needed to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Had to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Should do was their pressurized energy and was I expecting
[SPEAKER_00]: A result on the other side of that was I expecting something to happen because a lot of times what we don't realize as humans is when we are in any kind of forced energy when we are doing anything to get rapid results or to feel a sense of validation or okness by a kind of set expectation of
[SPEAKER_00]: working.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then we're always going to be pressurized.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anytime that I'm implementing any kind of strategy, I don't expect immediate results.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I expect if it feels good and I know that this is something that I love talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: This felt like a me choice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was a full body.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, no one said, Jamie, you have to do this or this is the only way to do something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew that my body said yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew that it felt an alignment for me and it was something I could stay consistent with.
[SPEAKER_00]: And any time that you are fully, fully behind something and you can remain consistent with it, the inevitable is it's going to work and maybe not in the way that you expect it to work.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll always look at ways that it is improving, but maybe not to the expectation that someone would have for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: For example,
[SPEAKER_00]: Did it get a little bit more engagement?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did it feel really good when I said it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did it feel incredible to somebody else did one person get a DM?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did someone actually comment did it get a little bit more views?
[SPEAKER_00]: And if it didn't, that's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: As long as it felt good for me and I can observe and notice ways to improve, then I always will.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't expect immediate results.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't, I know that results will always come from me really enjoying what I'm doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: and fully standing behind something and doing it long enough to really gather data from at least a 90-day perspective.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is an example of a money story you carried at the beginning of your business versus now and what is the difference?
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the biggest beliefs that I actually didn't even know that I was carrying unconsciously in the very beginning of my entrepreneurial journey was that if I made over a certain amount of money, I would become greedy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would just become this bad person that money inherently would change who I was or my
[SPEAKER_00]: something that had been kind of passed it down to me, it was a belief that I had learned about kind of through osmosis from, you know, society and then also from my upbringing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just a kind of this idea of like, you know, you see all of these corrupt people with money and then you believe that more money inherently makes you a bad person.
[SPEAKER_00]: The belief that I carry now, which is inherently true because money is a neutral tool that it only amplifies your morals.
[SPEAKER_00]: It only amplifies everything that's good inside of you, it amplifies your generosity, it amplifies your morals and if you are a good person, you are only going to do more good.
[SPEAKER_00]: when you have more resources.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you love to give your time away, if you love to support other people, can you imagine what you would want to do for more people if you had more additional resources?
[SPEAKER_00]: I firmly believe that if you've ever met anybody who has changed because of money, it is only brought to light something that was probably already inside of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: What does it believe about money and success that you used to think was just how it is?
[SPEAKER_00]: But now you believe that is actually something that was passed down to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love this question so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: The belief was that you have to work really, really hard, or you didn't deserve it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember thinking I'm exhausted, I'm tired.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember someone coming up to me one time, and they were like, oh my gosh, look how, look all the good things that you're doing, look how successful you are.
[SPEAKER_00]: And immediately it was a gut reaction, just came out as me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like this knee jerk reaction, and it was like, oh, well, I worked so hard for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if I hadn't,
[SPEAKER_00]: blood myself dry for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then wasn't even worth it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I know that we are all living breathing humans with brilliance and we're pure consciousness and we're pure love and we deserve abundance.
[SPEAKER_00]: We deserve so much goodness and it is our birthright to be joyful, as our birthright to be abundant, is our birthright to be wealthy and to be able to have all of the goodness.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yes,
[SPEAKER_00]: I call them sprint seasons where you're going to have to put in a little bit more maybe during a launch or a build, but it doesn't require every single day being a sprint season for you to deserve something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever had a milestone and immediately felt pressure instead of celebration?
[SPEAKER_00]: This was actually way before I knew anything about the subconscious or the nervous system and how they worked together as a team.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first time I ever launched a digital program.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember it was one of the most successful things I had ever done.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there was over 250 people that had signed up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think revenue-wise, that is probably close to half a million dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I immediately felt celebration, like, oh my gosh, and then I immediately felt myself wanting to hide.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could feel my body start to feel the sense of retraction, like I, like, that really tired of a sudden, and I felt a little, these really weird sensations of not wanting to do the things that I would normally do, like, show up in my marketing, or show up in the way that I normally would for my team.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I realized then, maybe I'm just tired, maybe this is just like a lot of exerting my energy, but really what was happening when I look back with the knowledge that I have now in the way that I help my clients is my wealth container, which is my subconscious and my nervous system that work as one solid team.
[SPEAKER_00]: was stretching way past what I felt.
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew who I was.
[SPEAKER_00]: It touched layers of my identity.
[SPEAKER_00]: It touched layers of what amount of money felt safe.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I could feel myself rapid speed being kind of like slingshot way past.
[SPEAKER_00]: everything I had ever felt comfortable with.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if I had the knowledge that I have now back then, I would have been able to support my body.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have had the knowledge and understanding of, I know exactly what's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know how to navigate my tools, but then I just kind of back to way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I hid for probably like a good, I think three months after that, it took me a lot of recouping time.
[SPEAKER_00]: actually feel solid again.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember feeling afraid to launch again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember being afraid to stand in any kind of bigness and use my voice.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now that I have the knowledge now, I can have a launch.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can feel totally neutral about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can feel like, yeah,
[SPEAKER_00]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did such a great job.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll celebrate as a team.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't feel my body shrinking.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel tired anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just know exactly what's happening in my body and why it's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if I do feel anything, I know how to navigate it so that I don't shrink.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can keep showing up and feeling really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: How did you feel receiving money in your first business?
[SPEAKER_00]: And how does it feel now?
[SPEAKER_00]: Receiving money in my past business was very similar to when someone says, Oh, I love your shirt and immediately I'm like, Oh, no, no, it's five them what or your hair looks so pretty.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, oh my god, it's so dirty.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't watched it in fact.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would quite literally reject.
[SPEAKER_00]: it.
[SPEAKER_00]: People would try to hand me a bigger tip and I'd be like, no, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would physically feel my body cave in on itself.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is because I had a certain amount of money that I felt safe receiving, that I felt worthy of, that I felt deserving of, and if it would go past that, my body would push it away.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say the biggest difference now is it just feels neutral.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel fully comfortable receiving because I haven't associated this exchange with a sense of my worthiness.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel uncomfortable receiving abundance because I know
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm giving a service.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am giving coaching.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm giving advice.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm giving something in exchange for something else.
[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, even if someone was to say, hey, here, I want you to have this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I still feel neutral around it because even when someone says you look beautiful today or your hair looks amazing or I love your outfit.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just say, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever self sabotaged after a really good income month and what did that look like?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of times when you are self-sabotization, you're not even really realizing that you're doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially if you're unaware of your own behaviors or your own body or own subconscious, it just kind of feels like it's this retraction.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for me, when I hit one of my highest months in revenue, I remember myself feeling like all of a sudden, I have no idea what to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea what to say in my marketing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have no clarity.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just can't create in the way that I would normally create.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now looking back, I clearly recognize that that was nervous system freeze.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was my body.
[SPEAKER_00]: doing whatever it could to get back to a familiar space of revenue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you're marketing a certain way and you are doing things a certain way and you're in flow and things feel great and you are able to get consistent revenue from the behaviors that you take in your business, you can imagine your body can get very sneaky trying to get you back down to a more predictable and consistent revenue.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're not clear, if you can't create, how can you have the same behaviors that
[SPEAKER_00]: created all that wealth and abundance.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: So all of my marketing was flat.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was, I don't know what to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how to create anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: And just feeling really frustrated with like, what is wrong with me?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why can't I do it?
[SPEAKER_00]: The second you start to realize how your body is functioning.
[SPEAKER_00]: You realize that it's just trying to protect you and bring you back down to a familiar space, because your brain and your body love predictability, even if it's not what you actually desire anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a rep.