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[SPEAKER_01]: Talking about aliens, UFOs, and Nephilim 2, all in one episode, why would we be doing that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Gonna be courageous, parenting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's so important to be ahead of things that come out in the news and are discussed in an increasing manner that they hear from the parents first, that they are a biblical perspective on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So think of this episode as a list of scriptures with explanations and with a biblical lens,
[SPEAKER_01]: on these different topics so that you can be encouraged and equipped to talk to your children in the right timing about it.
[SPEAKER_05]: One last encouragement that we just have for you guys as you're about to dive in is it's really important for us we have tried our best to honor the Lord and his word by keeping the Bible known as being the most sufficient scripture of all time that is in
[SPEAKER_05]: I would just warn you on this specific topic of going to extra biblical specifically anti-biblical things, things that would be contrary to the Bible, because those are the things that are going to create division, they're going to trip you up and potentially deceive you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And regardless of a difference of opinions on these things, let's not have division.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's going to be interesting as we dive in to talking about aliens, talking about UFOs, talking about the, the, the, the film.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are we talking about this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because this is a courageous parent to, and you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: As we've always advised parents, and this is how we operate in our home, is we want to be the first to talk to our children about anything, but like this, anything that the world's going to be talking about that they're going to hear about that could potentially even be confusing.
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to make sure they're grounded in biblical truth.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's interesting because one of the scriptures we're going to be talking about later, we'll talk about Matthew 24.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a pat that whole chapter is really warning Christians and says even the elects, warning us to endure to the end to sound doctrine, to not be swayed.
[SPEAKER_05]: It even says that false Christ and prophets will rise and perform great signs and wonder, so it's a lead, a straight, possibly even the elect.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that scripture,
[SPEAKER_05]: is so relevant to us as parents because we want to make sure that our kids are not being led astray.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so talking about topics like this that could create division that I'll be honest as a Christian mom.
[SPEAKER_05]: I've had a lot of other main priorities as far as getting educated on that I haven't really thought too much about trying over the last 20 years.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think more on
[SPEAKER_05]: raising them and training them in their good integral character and applying life to studies and different aspects of that.
[SPEAKER_05]: And of course there's the academics of home schooling and just home management and life to where topics like this like aliens.
[SPEAKER_05]: or UFOs has not been on my radar to get super educated on and so the fact that it's even something that you know the government is saying they might release all files you know it becomes this thing where it's like okay I have older children I have young adults we're gonna be all on the same page this is a good topic to talk about but you can't talk about it unless you know about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, I'm all for the government releasing everything, I think it's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: As Christians, there's no fear.
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't a fear topic.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a proactive discipleship topic.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like, let's dig into the word, and see what the word says about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's be ready and have already thought through how we're gonna talk to our children about this at whatever age you decide.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's important because, you know, there as it comes in the noise of social media and the news and things like that parents
[SPEAKER_01]: older people are talking about teenagers talking about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even the young ones are going to hear about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So hey, I think it's super important to be ahead of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want them to hear it from me and Angie first.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's funny because over the years, I've noticed a big difference between what girls are interested in and what boys are interested in.
[SPEAKER_05]: This seems more like a boy topic.
[SPEAKER_05]: Although girls could be interested in it too, but they definitely are more drawn to like.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, what's going on with that, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think women are just as interested in certainly the field of the pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a popular topic right now.
[SPEAKER_05]: It is.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I hope you guys are encouraged today.
[SPEAKER_05]: I want to give you a little heads up a little tip.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just going to throw this out there over the years.
[SPEAKER_05]: One of the resources that I've used in homeschooling a lot that's helped me with having biblical answers for a lot of questions that we're like this.
[SPEAKER_05]: is the answer books that answers in Genesis provides.
[SPEAKER_05]: Master books is their publisher and so if if today's podcast is kind of sparking something in you and you're like, man, I like that they're talking about how to talk to our kids about this and they're bringing a lot of scripture into it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just want to encourage you that there are other resources out there, but looked at them recently, but I know that those have been super helpful in the past years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, our first point is that God has sovereign over all things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think every Christian believes that and if God has sovereign and he is the creator of all things and he sovereign over it all, that means if someone believes in human like beings that are completely different living in other planets,
[SPEAKER_01]: then you would have to believe that God created them on purpose in his sovereign over them too, but that creates a lot of ramifications with what biblical truth talks about, which we'll get to.
[SPEAKER_01]: But God is sovereign, so there's no wondering if there's something that is created outside of God, because that just doesn't exist if you believe in the Bible.
[SPEAKER_05]: Isaiah 4026 says, lift up your eyes on high and see who created these.
[SPEAKER_05]: He who brings out their host by number calling them by name by the greatness of his might because he is strong in power, not one is missing.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love that scripture because it's talking about what you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_05]: Whatever is created has been created by the one intelligent creator of overall.
[SPEAKER_05]: And another scripture is Closions 1-16.
[SPEAKER_05]: It says for by him all things were created in heaven and on earth visible and in visible.
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll talk about them visible in a second whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities all things were created through him and for him with emphasis on for him.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're creative for God.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, those are encouraging scriptures to teach your children to make a mental note.
[SPEAKER_01]: and as you're talking about this to use these scriptures, remember we're giving scripture references so that you can use them with your children if you're driving or something courageous parenting.com has all the show notes with scripture references and more so you can always get that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Bible doesn't speak to the existence of aliens.
[SPEAKER_05]: We've been using CTC math for our math curriculum with our kids ranging in ages 10 all the way through senior and high school.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I mean you're almost 10 years old.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm one of the things that I've noticed is all of a sudden you're an independent learner and you actually like math now, huh?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's recently when I wake up in the morning and I go, okay, we gotta get school out.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's like, oh, I already did it.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, so on, I can you tell everybody why you like CTC math?
[SPEAKER_00]: I can just get so much done such a short period of time and it's so much easier than the other maps I've been through and it makes it fun.
[SPEAKER_05]: One of the things that we love about CTC math is that the different elements of learning have been broken down into digestible, learning, increments.
[SPEAKER_05]: The make it easy for kids to go through their lessons, feel like they've conquered it and move on to the next.
[SPEAKER_05]: One of the things that I love as a homeschooling mom is that all of my kids can be independent learners, but then when they get stuck on something, I can sit down with them, easily listen to the lesson with them and just help them navigate if they get stuck.
[SPEAKER_05]: But truthfully, this is one of the first math curriculums that we have used, especially for upper level math, where I haven't had to sit down and work hard with the kids.
[SPEAKER_05]: So if you're interested in figuring out if CTC math works for you and checking it out, go to ctcmath.com.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's the argument.
[SPEAKER_01]: I always want to share the other argument.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well Isaac, can Bible doesn't speak to lots of different things specifically.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is true.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's a fair argument, except everything needs to line up with what the Bible actually does say.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that's important.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, one of the interesting points to think about.
[SPEAKER_01]: for yourself and to get your children thinking about is that humans are special to God.
[SPEAKER_01]: He made us in his image.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so when you look at the drawings and supposed pictures and things like that of alien life form, from extraterrestrial alien life form, as they say, it doesn't look like us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Therefore it doesn't look like God.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wouldn't be in God's image.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so human beings
[SPEAKER_01]: And the whole redemption story is about humans.
[SPEAKER_01]: Adam and Eve were humans in his image, and the fall happened in the world, and Christ, Jesus Christ, looks like us, he's human and God.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so anything outside of that is a perplexing thing to think that he created something else special that looks different than humans.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's interesting, so first Corinthians 15, 22 through 38 talks a little bit about this.
[SPEAKER_05]: It says, for as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive, but each in his own order.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is the important part, Christ.
[SPEAKER_05]: The first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ, then comes the end.
[SPEAKER_05]: When he delivers the kingdom of God, the Father, after destroying every rule and every authority and power.
[SPEAKER_05]: for he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
[SPEAKER_05]: The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
[SPEAKER_05]: For God has put all things in subjection under his feet, but when it says all things are put in subjection, it is plain that he's accepted who put all things in subjection under him.
[SPEAKER_05]: When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subjected to Him who put all things in subjection, under Him, that God may be all in all.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was first Corinthians 15, 22 through 38.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just talking about a hierarchy, really, of order that God has a God of order and He's talking about the redemption story and how things are going to actually play out from creation to end.
[SPEAKER_05]: And in there, we see Him talking about His enemies, Adam, Adam's fruit, which is us, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: We're Adam's race, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: He's our ancestor in that sense.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so,
[SPEAKER_05]: There's this element of teaching your kids like when they start seeing like I say when because I believe it's inevitable, right Isaac like you go the grocery store and there's likely to be magazines next to the checkout line that have a picture from one of these files that's potentially going to get released, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: And so you have to protect your kids, which actually, it's a big deal.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's something similar happened to me today, just going to the bank.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it made me so agitated in my spirit.
[SPEAKER_05]: I oftentimes I do take a child with me to run errands.
[SPEAKER_05]: Today I didn't have any with me and I'm so thankful because I walked in and the bank had something completely inappropriate playing on their television.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was a horrifying movie.
[SPEAKER_05]: that would have given my kids nightmares.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm still, I've been praying over my mind all day to get the words that they were saying out of my mind and that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was disgusting.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so my point is, is like, the chances of your kids running into ideas about UFOs, aliens, the philom.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is something that is starting to get talked about, especially among teenagers and young adults speak on the nephilom side, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: And so,
[SPEAKER_05]: This is an important topic, and I think it's crucial to understand what scriptures do actually help us in this topic and this discussion.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I want to say discussion because Isaac all be honest, like there's not a lot of clarity on some things, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: And as Christians, you know, obviously we don't want to put God in a box or his creation in that sense, but there can be some things out there that could create unwarranted fear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's our next point is UFOs.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is UFOs stand for unidentified flying objects?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it would be, you know, a backfire on a parent, if they said, I don't believe in the existence of UFOs because literally what a UFO is is an unidentified flying object.
[SPEAKER_01]: So for sure, there's unidentified flying objects we haven't been able to identify probably spiritual things.
[SPEAKER_01]: The people see, there's a spiritual battle happening and sometimes people are able to see into the spiritual realm, and that does happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so sometimes it's things, our eyes play tricks on us.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's things on videos, it could be secret test like airplane, planes, things like that sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes it's just, we don't know what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what would it be?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's spiritual though.
[SPEAKER_05]: So when you say that you believe in UFOs, you're not talking about like the, you know, those old movies that have like the flying saucer and ET phone, ET phones home, extra terrestrial phones home.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think you're mixing two things together, which is the extra terrestrial alien life.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe in that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do believe people are seeing unidentified flying objects and I don't believe it's alien life form I believe it's either the spiritual realm or it's the eyes playing tricks on them or it's you know countries testing things.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's true
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, so I think that you're you're talking about the actual definition of a UFO, which I think is really important for parents to understand what it means.
[SPEAKER_05]: You said an identified flying object.
[SPEAKER_05]: One of the scriptures that came to mind when you and I were talking about this was Ephesians chapter six, which is obviously the whole armor of God passage of scripture is in there.
[SPEAKER_05]: It exhorts Christians to be strong in the Lord and the strength of his might put on the whole arm of God so that we can stand against the schemes of the devil because wouldn't it be just like the A scheme of the devil to try to deceive people into thinking that he doesn't exist, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Because then he can scheme all he wants and have no accountability, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: And deceive people and so that would be a scheme of the devil to get people to not believe in his existence or to not believe in evil, which is actually happening a lot in the world.
[SPEAKER_05]: there are a lot of even Christian parents who have decided to adopt parenting philosophies where they're not using the term sin, let alone evil.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they don't want to say things like, oh, that there can be evil in this world or that people can do evil.
[SPEAKER_05]: They don't like that word evil.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I just go back to what does the scripture actually say, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: We know for sure that there is evil and that there is an enemy, the devil.
[SPEAKER_05]: So let's read this again in verse, it's Ephesians chapter 6, verse 10 is where it starts.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is finally be strong in the Lord and the strength of His might put on the whole armor of God that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil.
[SPEAKER_05]: For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so flesh and blood is one thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's like,
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm holding your hand.
[SPEAKER_05]: I like you are flesh, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: We are flesh and blood, but it says we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers against the authorities.
[SPEAKER_05]: So there's two.
[SPEAKER_05]: And here's the third one against the cosmic powers.
[SPEAKER_05]: Cosmic powers of this present darkness.
[SPEAKER_05]: Here's another one.
[SPEAKER_05]: Against the spiritual forces of evil.
[SPEAKER_05]: in the heavenly places.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then what is the equation here that God tells you to do?
[SPEAKER_05]: He gives you the armor of God.
[SPEAKER_05]: It says, therefore take up the whole armor of God that you may be able to withstand in the evil day and having done all to stand firm.
[SPEAKER_05]: Stand there for having fast in the belt of truth.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, belt of truth.
[SPEAKER_05]: Having put on the breast plate of righteousness.
[SPEAKER_05]: and as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace.
[SPEAKER_05]: In all circumstances take up the shield of faith with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one and take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the spirit which is the word of God.
[SPEAKER_05]: praying at all times in the spirit with all prayer and supplication.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then it just gives us more exhortation to that end, keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints and just continues on.
[SPEAKER_05]: So obviously there's a heavenly realm.
[SPEAKER_05]: A spiritual realm, there's a aspect of seeing Satan is called the Prince of the Air and another scripture, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: And so we see that there's this, there is description.
[SPEAKER_05]: God's Word does describe and give us warning to be aware of these things and to stand firm against them, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think because we're further in end times that these conversations are going to grow stronger.
[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, if you think about the antichrist, how in the world does the antichrist get every most people in the world of all nations to follow him as one leader, how in the world does he get everybody to agree, to be one currency, and these kinds of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, you probably know how, because you're seeing how things are developing in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you think about AI and social media and where those are going together, those are the perfect tools to be able to gain power and trick people and manipulate things and even be able to show some kind of superpowers through those tools.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that, you know, what is the goal?
[SPEAKER_01]: How would a antichrist be, what is the equation that he would probably use?
[SPEAKER_01]: He would use fear.
[SPEAKER_01]: right so there's something happening dangerous in the world uh... what better is to say there's there's these life forms that don't like us you know extra threshold life forms right that that could be something used for fear or other things we don't know about it and then and then what does someone come in they show safety
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm going to provide safety amongst this fear, whatever the fear is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then that safety requires control, because if we don't really wish control, then there's not the safety that's promised, but it's all for destruction in disguise, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's interesting because the safety that people feel will actually provoke within the sense of loyalty to that, which is causing the safety also, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Which is constantly the efforts that you see.
[SPEAKER_05]: is that people are, there's this trying to win people over, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, Do you think about how many people in the world follow to person named Anthony Fauci?
[SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Think about that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, because they thought he could make them safe.
[SPEAKER_01]: If a majority of the world can follow someone named Anthony Fauci that is now proven to be, you know, basically a mass murderer at scale.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, if you then, you know, what is the potential of using AI social media?
[SPEAKER_01]: and casting fear and creating safety and getting control and then using that control for destruction.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think something interesting you think about.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_05]: So to just wrap up, point three about UFOs, the unidentified flying objects and reading scripture like Ephesians chapter six, there's clearly like there's a spiritual realm.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now we don't all see the spiritual realm, but there is a gift of discerning of spirits and there's another scripture
[SPEAKER_05]: first John, I think it's chapter four one that says do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see him there from God, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: And there, you know, there's definitely, I mean angels were present all through the gospel story.
[SPEAKER_05]: We see an angel coming to Mary coming to Joseph.
[SPEAKER_05]: Coming to the, the, the three wise men, the shepherds at times a whole host of angels singing glory to God in the highest and so obviously those would be unidentified flying objects in a sense right because but they identified them and they called them angels and the only reason why they would have done that is if there had been a presence of angels previously to know what they were.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right, and so for us now it's like if someone sees an angel which I mean that's I would say that's pretty rare I don't know anyone who is actually necessarily seen an angel Maybe a bright light things like that, but There's just we have to be aware that there is still a spiritual realm Even I realize that we were getting too comfortable with the world's vision of how to raise our children But Angie and Isaac have done and creating this is
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[SPEAKER_04]: It is given me the vision for not just the different things that we might focus on as parents or trying to raise our kids vaguely like how our kids are behaving or what we're doing with discipline.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We now have a game plan to how we want to raise our children.
[SPEAKER_04]: We have so many answers to the questions that have been in our mind.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not just these hypothetical situations or it's not just this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think a lot of us have become desensitized to it, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think that that's because of all the schemes of the enemy.
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't even realize, and I don't think we will realize until we get to heaven, how much we have been influenced by the devil's schemes throughout our lives to not believe things, or to ignore things, or
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, if I don't know if you've ever walked into a room and you've just felt unsafe, I know I have felt unsafe walking into a specific room before or being around a specific person or different things like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I have learned over the years that I need to go with that with what the Holy Spirit has put inside of me and kind of create a distance and protect my children.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I kind of go into protection mode.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, and honestly, I have a lot less regrets in my life because of that, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: The times that I didn't listen to that is the times when I really learned, okay, the Lord has given me that gift to protect my family.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think that it's important that we acknowledge that in one another and are willing to say, okay, yeah, there is a spiritual realm and they're, you know, even looking at Genesis one and then I count of Lucifer and being a fallen angel coming to Earth, there were fallen angels that also came after him, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: there's a lot of interesting things we don't believe in aliens but there's a lot of interesting things that cost people to believe us like you take the pyramids for example and there's documentaries on the the weight tools were back then how impossible it would have been to carve out this you know box in a deep box perfectly aligned and however things align so perfectly and recently I guess a year ago they found with through looking through technology that there's
[SPEAKER_01]: the pyramids and things like that, which you know, I just think that there are some things that are unexplainable, but you know, we have to at the same time just have our hands open and trust in the Lord and go, you know, we don't need to know how to explain them.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the methodology actually has been explained of how they did things and they had a lot of slaves to help them and a lot of, they used leverage, big cranes and so forth with leverage to be able to move the big stones and
[SPEAKER_01]: But some of it is hard to explain and the algorithms in your social media are going to feed you more things that look real that probably are fake in a lot of cases.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of them might be like how was this created back then or how was this put into this rock or things like that and it's all to feed you more to take you down a road of potentially false belief and so you got to be careful about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you want your children to believe?
[SPEAKER_01]: I do believe I agree that, you know, human beings have been lied to over and over again by governments and so forth by all kinds of things, a hundred percent, but, you know, we're looking at what the Bible says about this and seeing how it aligns up with the Bible.
[SPEAKER_01]: So aliens are probably demons.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's our take.
[SPEAKER_01]: But probably demonic activity, in most cases, spiritual activity could be angels too.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I think it's a lot of it is probably demonic activity for sure, so to be really clear, we don't believe in aliens.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we don't.
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't believe in aliens.
[SPEAKER_05]: But unidentified flying objects such as potentially demons or angels.
[SPEAKER_05]: We believe in those because we believe in the heavenly spiritual realm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have some really important scriptures right here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Satan and his angels are thrown down, so that's a good one.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, Revelation 12, 7 through 9 says, now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.
[SPEAKER_05]: But he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven, and the great dragon was thrown down that aged serpent, who was called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world.
[SPEAKER_05]: He was thrown down to the earth and his angels were thrown down with him.
[SPEAKER_05]: So that's pretty clear, another account aside from what we see.
[SPEAKER_05]: In other parts of Scripture, Satan's delusion, we have second Thessalonians 2 9 through 12 that says the coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
[SPEAKER_05]: Therefore, God sends them a strong delusion so that they may believe what is false and in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth
[SPEAKER_05]: but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a recipe for not falling for delusions by the enemy is believing in the truth and being in God's word and that protects you against falling into the delusion of the Satan's schemes and you know even wonder signs and wonders it says.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the enemy can create signs and wonders things that look magnificent, look interesting, look crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what scripture says.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's also interesting that reminds me of what you're saying reminds me of Roman chapter 12 where it talks about the word and how we present our bodies as a living sacrifice and our minds are part of our bodies.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so there's this need for us to love the Lord our God with our heart, mind, soul and strength, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: And so you use your strength, your physical might to choose how you're going to use your time.
[SPEAKER_05]: And part of using your time is to have your time dedicated to being in the Word of God so that you can detect things, be able to discern what's evil, what's good, what's right, what's wrong, and so forth.
[SPEAKER_05]: And here we have a promise from the Lord, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: It says, present your body says a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship, and then verse two do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind.
[SPEAKER_05]: That by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good, and acceptable, and perfect.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so there's here we see that there's this this thing that God wants us to do.
[SPEAKER_05]: He wants us to practice being actively engaged in reading the Bible because when we do that, when we obey and we read the Bible, it transforms and renews our mind.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so knowing that that is the actual practice that we can do to guard our mind, which also then guards our heart, it's it's pretty powerful.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so that would be part of the recipe, too, as you were talking about the, just being in the word and the sort of the spirit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this next day we're going to dive into the Nephilim.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't watch Candace Owens show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I advise everybody not to, but you three will do it or whatever you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that there was a time where she had some good stuff years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: But one of the things I've seen in her soundbites is that like Elon Musk is transhuman.
[SPEAKER_01]: and uh... these kinds of things and i wonder i haven't dot dove into her beliefs on things but i wonder if that comes from you know the belief that some people have no feeling blood today or something like that i'm not sure
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, transhumanism also is mixing technology with human beings, which is going to that's the next frontier, unfortunately.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of it is, you know, potentially good, right, putting a chip in somebody's brain so that they can communicate, where they used to not be able to communicate, to fix their spinal cords, things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, you know, I mean, there's some health benefits, but you know where all that stuff usually goes, so I'm pretty leery of it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, the nephewum, there's really three beliefs that theologians have kind of landed on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought this would be interesting conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: We, by no stretch of the imagination, have a definitive foreshore answer on this, but we'll say what our stance is.
[SPEAKER_05]: So when we start with reading Genesis chapter 6, one through four, it says, when man began to multiply in the face of the land and the daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive, and they took as their wives any they chose.
[SPEAKER_05]: Then the Lord said, my spirit shall not abide in man forever.
[SPEAKER_05]: for he is flesh.
[SPEAKER_05]: His day shall be 120 years.
[SPEAKER_05]: The Nephilim were on the earth in those days and also afterward when the sons of God came into the daughters of man and they bore children to them.
[SPEAKER_05]: These were the mighty men who were of old the men of renown.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, sons of men, it says, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: And so, the first belief... Or daughters of man is what it says.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sons of... Let me see.
[SPEAKER_05]: The sons of God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sons of God.
[SPEAKER_01]: The sons of man.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, sons of God throughout the Bible, there's lots of scriptures where that is actually angelic beings.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, they're using the sons of God is used right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the, you know, the theory is that that is what it means everywhere else, which is angelic beings.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like offspring or fallen angels.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that means there's fallen angels that basically married humans and had offspring and those were in the Nephilim.
[SPEAKER_01]: The offspring are in the Nephilim and that's the, that's the first belief.
[SPEAKER_01]: The second belief is that Nephilim also can mean giants.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the word giants, so the second approach to it is that they're giants and they were huge beings essentially.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the third belief is that the ruthless rulers essentially like kings that were, you know, they're men of renown, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So that can mean the ruthless kings.
[SPEAKER_01]: The ruthless kings that were polygamous and, you know, trying to mate with many women and that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: and jellic offspring but ruthless kings and so there's also the line of set theory on that that they were righteous and they're mirroring evil line of cane
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, not all the line of Seth was righteous and not every single person in the line of kindness as early as you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't really, it doesn't really hold up.
[SPEAKER_01]: So of the three theories, I do think it's probably sons of God.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the angelic beings that made it with humans and had offspring called Nephilim that had extra of human strength and size.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think they were giant?
[SPEAKER_05]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think one, you know, I think two is giants that have just a normal, uh, you know, the angel of beings didn't mate with humans, but there was just, just giant balls, really giant people.
[SPEAKER_05]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, yeah, I think that, you know, number one seems to be, make the most sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: And how does that work?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're in the Bibles that talk about that possibility other than right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really doesn't.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's interesting because as you're talking about giants, you know what came to my mind was the old nursery rhyme jack in the bean stock.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, and there's this like grumpy, ogre type giant that is dangerous and would eat anybody, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like that's a scary picture.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's weird that it's a nursery rhyme.
[SPEAKER_05]: And in that weird, actually a lot of the old nursery rhymes, they're pretty creepy.
[SPEAKER_05]: We stay away from them.
[SPEAKER_05]: And just remember that from my childhood, though, actually.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Old Mother Goose nursery rhyme book.
[SPEAKER_05]: And thinking to myself, oh, this is kind of weird, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: And you're thinking about a beanstalk going all the way up into the clouds.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's like funny that it's actually in the clouds, because there is this element of, like, I wonder how much of that was actually inspired by the heavenly realms, the demonic activity.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyways, this is just an interesting thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: So why are we talking about this in regards to aliens, because in things we're seeing that defy human physics and so forth?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's because there's a lot of theories out there that you know, the Nephilim exist today, perhaps they have super extraordinary, you know, ability and technology and these kinds of things and
[SPEAKER_01]: They're in the race today and so that's kind of why we're bringing you up.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it appears though they were all killed in the flood.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're probably as soon as anybody that follows this is saying, well, what about numbers 1333?
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll get to that in a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: But everyone was killed in the flood except for.
[SPEAKER_05]: Noah and his sons and their wives, his wife, Noah's wife.
[SPEAKER_01]: Noah's wife.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so there's Eidavum.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's Eidavum.
[SPEAKER_01]: Eidavum were spared, and it's because Noah's were the righteous ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were the only ones that could be found, and they were pleading that there would be more Noah was.
[SPEAKER_01]: right, but there weren't.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they were, they were saved.
[SPEAKER_05]: So then in numbers, when you read numbers 1333, real quick, number 13 says, and there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Annec, who came from the Nephilim, and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's basically comparing themselves to the Nephilim, and they're like we seem like grasshoppers compared to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's like if you had a normal human being standing right in front of you,
[SPEAKER_01]: and as a grasshopper on the ground, they felt like grasshoppers compared to the normal human being in size.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the size differential.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's like Jack and the Beanstalk.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's huge.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could have been a little exaggeration, but definitely much different in size.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's probably only like 10 of those on Earth.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is after the flood.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if Nefilem existed after the flood, what is the, what is the, maybe two ways that could happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: One way is one of Noah's sons' wives had some Nefilem in her DNA.
[SPEAKER_05]: like recess of genes or dominant genes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that continued in a smaller way throughout some of humanity moving forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or it happened again.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was fallen angels again that came down and made it with humans.
[SPEAKER_05]: But that's not documented in scripture.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not in scripture.
[SPEAKER_05]: Again, so that would be an extra biblical belief.
[SPEAKER_05]: That would be extra biblical and there is actually I just have to say and I think another reason why this is an important conversation to have is because your kids are likely going to be exposed to this conversation because there's a lot of people that are bringing extra biblical documentation into the conversation.
[SPEAKER_05]: There is documentation to talk more about in the film, but our stance has always been, and this is what we've taught our kids, is that if anything in that documentation is ever contradictory to what scripture says, then it is like null and void in our minds, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: And not only that, any other documentation would definitely be secondary to the word of God, obviously, because this is sufficient in and of itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think probably they were killed all in the flood, we'll for sure, for sure,
[SPEAKER_01]: However, one of the wives could have had some to feel them blood in her and in a minor way, maybe it continued.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know any other explanation, or they just, yeah, it's kind of unexplainable, but I think that in terms of aliens, we don't believe in aliens, I think that one of the things that would give a warning to, one of the reasons I think it's so important to talk to your children about it proactively, is that people really get caught up in mystery.
[SPEAKER_01]: people really get entangled in what ifs and and extraordinary things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that makes sense but we want to make sure first and foremost our families are anchored in biblical truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that we're talking about the scriptures in the Bible as much as we're talking about things outside of the Bible or wonderments about things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think sometimes we can get so entangled
[SPEAKER_01]: and the things that perhaps populations have been decepted in and so forth, which is important to expose darkness and so forth, but is that coming ahead of just growing stronger in the Lord, growing stronger in biblical truth, I find it's hard enough just to be teaching my children the Bible and deciphering them up in the way to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is the Bible has told us to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: God has told us to do that as parents and always be teaching them about what's in the Word of God Do it around me six nine.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's it's just really important to be focusing on that can we talk about extra things?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, here I work encouraging you to talk about these things.
[SPEAKER_05]: It can be kind of a fun topic with your kids Especially when there's like an innocent
[SPEAKER_05]: just curiosity for it, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, among like a 13 year old or 14 year old boy when there's not like a fear factor and they're just like genuinely curious.
[SPEAKER_05]: You don't want to brush those kinds of topics under the cover or under a rug, so to speak, because then your kids may go, oh, they have no idea.
[SPEAKER_05]: I can't really come to them with questions that I have.
[SPEAKER_05]: And there's
[SPEAKER_05]: by no means we don't want to ever give that impression to our kids, you know, it's funny, though, this topic of alien, I just want to, I want to bring in a little, a little swipe over and talk about the definition of alien for a second.
[SPEAKER_05]: So when you look it up, it says belonging to a foreign country or nation.
[SPEAKER_05]: a foreigner, especially one who is not naturalized as a citizen of a country where they are living.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the Bible actually has a couple verses on this that are interesting that you could bring up with your kids because actually you know what I tell my kids is that we're aliens.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm an alien.
[SPEAKER_05]: and then they laugh, because the world has tried to steal this world's word and the meaning that it's used for in Scripture and change it into something that is like an extraterrestrial demonic looking thing that is scary and full of fear, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Those things don't exist.
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't believe they exist.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I do believe that there are demons, but they're part of the spiritual realm and anyways.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I want to just read to you guys, Ephesians chapter 2 verse 19 through 20.
[SPEAKER_05]: It says, so then you are no longer strangers and aliens.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's saying that we were aliens, actually.
[SPEAKER_05]: We were strangers and aliens, so it's saying so then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are our fellow citizens with the saints.
[SPEAKER_05]: and members of the household of God built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone in whom the whole structure being joined together grows into a holy temple in the Lord.
[SPEAKER_05]: In Him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I just love that because it's like, yeah, I would the day I told I remember the day I had one of these conversations with the boys and I said, yeah, I'm an alien and they went, what?
[SPEAKER_05]: And I went over the scripture them and I said, we're ambassadors for Christ.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like when you're they called them aliens, when you go in you're in a different country, but you're representing a different nation entirely, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: And so as Christians were citizens of heaven, were representing a different nation, were citizens of heaven.
[SPEAKER_05]: So heaven is our nation, it's our country.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's where we're going.
[SPEAKER_05]: And here on Earth, we are here for this temporary period of time.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's our eternal home.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're like on vacation on Earth, although it's not a vacation.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a battleground and we are here on a mission.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what the serpent wants to do through other people, even if they're well-intentioned to your children, is to say, did God really say that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Does the Bible really speak to this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Does the Bible really have something on this?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I just, I want to be the first one to instill a biblical view of what I think is a biblical view.
[SPEAKER_01]: You instill what you think the Bible is saying about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anybody has a perfect corner on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: We just share it a much as scripture is that seem to make sense, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: And, but if you don't share it, other people will get a corner of influence on you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because, oh, my parents are naive, oh, my parents aren't talking about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: look at this wonderful explanation that's tantalizing my mind and causing me to to dwell to dwell on and see the good and the bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, this is super interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really drawn to this person now and not my parents.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because that's something that I've never heard before.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never heard before and I want to learn more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now someone else is discipling your kids with a hook about the Nephilim or a hook about aliens or a hook about whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why we have to be the first ones to bring a biblical point to our children.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, and on that, I think a good ending verse that is also important for parents.
[SPEAKER_05]: I would say this is for parents.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's in first John.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's chapter two verse 18.
[SPEAKER_05]: He says children, it's the last hour.
[SPEAKER_05]: As you have heard that the anti-Christ is coming, that was a small A.
[SPEAKER_05]: So now many anti-Christ have come.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so that's a big warning.
[SPEAKER_05]: Therefore, we know that it's the last hour.
[SPEAKER_05]: They went out from us, but they were not of us.
[SPEAKER_05]: For if they had been of us, they would have continued with us, okay?
[SPEAKER_05]: But they went out, that they might become plain, that they all are not of us.
[SPEAKER_05]: But you've been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, parents, Christian parents are listening.
[SPEAKER_05]: You've been anointed by the Holy One.
[SPEAKER_05]: and you all have knowledge.
[SPEAKER_05]: You literally have the same Bible we have.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is the knowledge of God.
[SPEAKER_05]: I write to you not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it and because no lie is of the truth.
[SPEAKER_05]: Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ?
[SPEAKER_05]: This is the Antichrist.
[SPEAKER_05]: He who denies the Father and the Son.
[SPEAKER_05]: No one who denies the Son as the Father.
[SPEAKER_05]: Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let what you heard from the beginning abide from you.
[SPEAKER_05]: What are we supposed to be focused on?
[SPEAKER_05]: Are we supposed to be focused on things that have literally, like if you believe in UFOs or aliens, it literally doesn't change your salvation.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like there's this, what is the point in dwelling on that and focusing on that when God is telling us to focus on him and on the gospel, he says, let what you heard from the beginning abiding you.
[SPEAKER_05]: If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the sun and in the father.
[SPEAKER_05]: And this is the promise that he made to us eternal life.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then it just ends.
[SPEAKER_05]: It says, I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you.
[SPEAKER_05]: But then, knowing that you received from him abides in you and you have no need that anyone should teach you.
[SPEAKER_05]: But as has a knowing team teaches you about everything and is true and is no lie, just as it has taught you abided him.
[SPEAKER_05]: So this is like a huge warning, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's saying, listen, there are going to be people that try to deceive you, that try to deceive your kids.
[SPEAKER_05]: This kind of topic can create little mini divisions in family.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's not let it to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, let's get ahead of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's.
[SPEAKER_01]: let's teach biblical truth and let's have grace towards people to adults who believe differently on some of these things.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of this stuff isn't perfectly clear and so we need to love one another, not have division in the church, not have division among friends on these things and but we do within your family.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would encourage you to instill a biblical direction