WEBVTT 00:00.031 --> 00:16.116 [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, hey, it's Bribaggo with your only vans, Breecap, and today, Coling Keene, showed up in his van straight from tailing with Texas, and we talked about everything from real scorpions crawling across his face to touring in a van and staying on public lands, where I exaggerate how many times I've stayed in the tent on the road. 00:16.096 --> 00:21.086 [SPEAKER_07]: I totally bomb a story about how a town, right by where I'm from, was renamed in the 50s. 00:21.608 --> 00:30.486 [SPEAKER_07]: Two stories in NBC radio game show called Truth or Consequences challenged any town to rename itself after the show and exchange for broadcasting its 10th anniversary episode live. 00:31.007 --> 00:33.733 [SPEAKER_07]: Hot Springs, New Mexico is now Truth or Consequences. 00:33.713 --> 00:42.247 [SPEAKER_07]: We talk about how we both love the quirky town of Jerome Arizona and the winery I couldn't remember was Caduceus Sellers owned by Maneor James Keenan of the Band Tool. 00:43.089 --> 00:48.238 [SPEAKER_07]: My apologies to my darling friend Greta, who I refer to as Blue Edmunds' wife and she is that too. 00:48.358 --> 00:54.388 [SPEAKER_07]: But thanks for letting us stay at Base Camp Terlingua in the TPs and the coffee shop I love there in Terlingua is called Vinga. 00:54.368 --> 01:00.353 [SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, me and Colt did finally talk about his new project, the Solitario tapes, Solitario tapes. 01:02.455 --> 01:02.715 [SPEAKER_07]: Hi, Colt. 01:02.735 --> 01:03.016 [SPEAKER_07]: Hi, Colt. 01:03.076 --> 01:03.736 [SPEAKER_07]: The Solitario tapes. 01:03.796 --> 01:04.857 [SPEAKER_07]: Kyle, edit that out. 01:04.877 --> 01:07.219 [SPEAKER_07]: Perhaps influenced by the creative act by Rick Rubin. 01:07.399 --> 01:08.160 [SPEAKER_07]: Read it if you haven't. 01:08.681 --> 01:13.185 [SPEAKER_07]: Since then, he's released Norm Moodo, a song about the border wall potentially being built through Big Bend. 01:13.705 --> 01:16.367 [SPEAKER_07]: Go find Colt Wayne Keene at Colt Wayne Music. 01:16.427 --> 01:17.388 [SPEAKER_07]: Wayne has a Y in it. 01:17.588 --> 01:21.612 [SPEAKER_07]: Everywhere you listen and go watch that music video of 80,000 pounds of pain. 01:21.992 --> 01:22.873 [SPEAKER_07]: Enjoy! 01:27.713 --> 01:33.262 [SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of times I feel like, at least for me, if I don't, I get creatively stagnant. 01:33.483 --> 01:39.533 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's like, there's some kind of block that happens in the second, I release something or do whatever, it kind of opens up. 01:39.613 --> 01:42.798 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like you get like, creatively constipated. 01:42.978 --> 01:43.980 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? 01:44.341 --> 01:51.072 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it opens up and then it kind of, some new stuff can kind of go in and you can not think about that stuff anymore. 01:52.114 --> 01:54.177 [SPEAKER_02]: Keep your antenna clean. 01:56.688 --> 02:00.450 [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, hey everybody, this is Free Bagwell, and this is my podcast. 02:00.470 --> 02:01.053 [SPEAKER_05]: I'll leave it hands. 02:01.416 --> 02:02.381 [SPEAKER_05]: We're talking to my friends. 02:03.065 --> 02:03.407 [SPEAKER_05]: We love it. 02:15.807 --> 02:23.036 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, this is really fun because Coling Keene is here because I don't really know that much about you. 02:23.056 --> 02:23.777 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 02:24.017 --> 02:26.681 [SPEAKER_07]: And you're kind of a international man of mystery. 02:26.721 --> 02:28.223 [SPEAKER_07]: Did you do that on purpose? 02:29.604 --> 02:31.267 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I think I'm just really bad at promoting. 02:31.547 --> 02:32.488 [UNKNOWN]: Ha ha ha. 02:33.529 --> 02:34.210 [SPEAKER_07]: That was perfect. 02:34.631 --> 02:36.673 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I don't like it either. 02:36.994 --> 02:38.496 [SPEAKER_07]: But I think you're great at it. 02:38.556 --> 02:43.061 [SPEAKER_07]: Like what you've been posting the videos of you singing and stuff, you're I think you've been really doing a great job. 02:43.242 --> 02:44.363 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to get better at it. 02:44.680 --> 02:45.361 [SPEAKER_07]: It's not fun. 02:46.503 --> 02:48.747 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to make it more. 02:48.787 --> 02:56.600 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to find my way to do it, because I'm getting hammered by people to do more online stuff. 02:57.541 --> 02:57.982 [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. 02:58.002 --> 03:03.751 [SPEAKER_02]: I love playing laughs so much that all my focus just goes on, I mean, I love playing, playing, I love playing. 03:03.912 --> 03:08.359 [SPEAKER_02]: So all my focus kind of goes on just gigs and... 03:08.339 --> 03:14.829 [SPEAKER_02]: and then plants, playing solo so easy because you can just kind of scoop, like, kind of scoop gigs as you go, yeah. 03:14.849 --> 03:17.833 [SPEAKER_07]: So, that's nice, you travel, I love your van out there. 03:18.254 --> 03:18.634 [SPEAKER_02]: Georgina. 03:19.015 --> 03:20.838 [SPEAKER_07]: Georgina, she has a name. 03:20.878 --> 03:23.622 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Georgina, a Clementino, Philia Jones. 03:23.642 --> 03:24.323 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my God. 03:24.443 --> 03:28.329 [SPEAKER_02]: The third showboat, the hell bitch. 03:28.549 --> 03:33.937 [SPEAKER_07]: And you were just out there with your feet out the window, like you look like a, did he said you came from Tarling? 03:33.957 --> 03:35.199 [SPEAKER_07]: Are you live in Tarlingua? 03:35.860 --> 03:37.182 [SPEAKER_07]: Shut your mouth. 03:37.634 --> 03:38.897 [SPEAKER_07]: I want to live there so bad. 03:39.298 --> 03:46.855 [SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty, it's a different thing, but it's, I mean, yeah, that place of a very special relationship with that place. 03:47.296 --> 03:48.980 [SPEAKER_02]: I love a very, very much. 03:49.561 --> 03:50.123 [SPEAKER_07]: It's the best. 03:50.263 --> 03:50.584 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 03:50.864 --> 03:53.210 [SPEAKER_07]: There's something really magical about it. 03:53.390 --> 03:56.858 [SPEAKER_02]: Well I got to where I was doing so much riding out there when I was out there that I was like. 03:56.838 --> 04:23.537 [SPEAKER_02]: we just need to have this maybe be at least part-time home base and then the community I have it out there is yeah I just love I'll let you know in the but the the whole region the whole big bin region is is super special I love the whole thing and then you have you know Northern Mexico right there so it's there's always the sense of like untamed luck wildness in the air that you can kind of get drunk off of 04:23.517 --> 04:33.595 [SPEAKER_02]: And there's songs all over the place out there, that's, yeah, I mean that's a right I mean, yeah, it's got to where I was right and so much out here I was like, dude, this is a spot for you so 04:33.862 --> 04:35.123 [SPEAKER_07]: That is so perfect. 04:35.484 --> 04:39.428 [SPEAKER_07]: We went and stayed there, our friend's wife Greta. 04:39.568 --> 04:41.771 [SPEAKER_07]: She owns all those TPs out there. 04:42.191 --> 04:42.792 [SPEAKER_07]: You know Greta? 04:43.573 --> 04:44.854 [SPEAKER_07]: Share to the Redmondson. 04:44.994 --> 04:48.338 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, if I saw her, I'm bad with names a lot of times. 04:48.358 --> 04:49.079 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, she's incredible. 04:49.099 --> 04:52.303 [SPEAKER_07]: They have that new, that new coffee shop place there, the big white building. 04:52.723 --> 04:53.124 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know. 04:53.404 --> 04:54.705 [SPEAKER_07]: Listen, I'm doing a bad job. 04:54.725 --> 04:57.068 [SPEAKER_07]: Go ahead at the cell. 04:57.048 --> 04:57.829 [SPEAKER_07]: Don't worry. 04:58.550 --> 05:00.072 [SPEAKER_07]: We love to go down there. 05:00.112 --> 05:01.414 [SPEAKER_07]: Then I'm from New Mexico. 05:01.434 --> 05:04.137 [SPEAKER_07]: So we kind of just go it up from Las Cruces. 05:04.157 --> 05:06.160 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, no Do you know do you got to there ever? 05:06.180 --> 05:07.442 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's through there the other day. 05:07.462 --> 05:10.205 [SPEAKER_02]: I went to true the constant quits is for a couple days Awesome. 05:10.305 --> 05:12.248 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you didn't call you didn't write you didn't tell me. 05:12.448 --> 05:19.157 [SPEAKER_02]: I did you know I was I was just focusing on those those Those springs and treat the consequences like us. 05:19.177 --> 05:20.959 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then I went to Silver City after that. 05:20.979 --> 05:21.560 [SPEAKER_02]: That was pretty cool. 05:21.600 --> 05:22.221 [SPEAKER_02]: You did. 05:22.301 --> 05:23.663 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah New Mexico's great 05:23.643 --> 05:25.004 [SPEAKER_07]: New Mexico is so underrated. 05:25.044 --> 05:25.925 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 05:25.945 --> 05:26.646 [SPEAKER_02]: We like it that way. 05:26.926 --> 05:36.637 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I was about to say, keep it underrated, because it's so lovely, so tier C. It's, I thought, when I was little, it was T, I, E, are like tier C. Yeah. 05:36.657 --> 05:37.858 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, that just thought that was a name of it. 05:37.938 --> 05:47.168 [SPEAKER_07]: And I remember when I started to learn how to read, it's a T or C. And it was named, I guess they had some sort of competition where you could name the city. 05:47.228 --> 05:49.070 [SPEAKER_07]: And somebody named it, Truth or Consequences. 05:49.090 --> 05:51.152 [SPEAKER_07]: So I didn't know the history of that, 05:51.132 --> 05:52.454 [SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, very cool place. 05:52.674 --> 05:53.915 [SPEAKER_07]: Did you go to the Hot Springs there? 05:54.096 --> 06:09.815 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, I spent, well, because I knew, because basically in, since I've been in West Texas, it was just like, I have like this house I'm building and then all that and then riding and then I built out a little, I got a tiny little camper that was turning into a studio. 06:09.835 --> 06:15.742 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just like non-stop and then I knew that once I left there, it was about to be just a crazy whirlwind. 06:15.762 --> 06:18.586 [SPEAKER_02]: So out of a few days, kind of set aside. 06:18.606 --> 06:20.228 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I just went out there and like, 06:20.208 --> 06:25.214 [SPEAKER_02]: Soaked until my brain was like mush that is yeah, it's pretty great. 06:25.374 --> 06:27.437 [SPEAKER_07]: It's a really magical place Oh, yeah, it's great. 06:27.617 --> 06:28.258 [SPEAKER_02]: All in New Mexico. 06:28.778 --> 06:29.940 [SPEAKER_02]: Las Vegas in Mexico. 06:30.020 --> 06:33.824 [SPEAKER_02]: This is my favorite hot springs in Las Vegas What is it name in the hot springs? 06:33.844 --> 06:34.746 [SPEAKER_02]: It's in the hot spring. 06:35.046 --> 06:36.147 [SPEAKER_02]: The month is in my hot springs. 06:36.388 --> 06:37.629 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, I'm not in there. 06:37.949 --> 06:38.370 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, dude. 06:38.390 --> 06:39.071 [SPEAKER_02]: It's insane. 06:39.091 --> 06:40.933 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a 06:40.913 --> 06:59.479 [SPEAKER_02]: Some, I think he was a king, like a German king in like the late 1800s built of freaking castle out there, that now it's a college, but right at the base of this German castle in the middle of New Mexico, there's these hot springs that are like, 06:59.459 --> 07:00.140 [SPEAKER_02]: incredible. 07:01.942 --> 07:21.788 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like three tiered like the top one's called the lobster pot and it's like so hot that you can't even Yeah, it's insane the first time I put my foot in and I was like there's no way a human being can let it's this is insane And there was this old Navajo guy that was in the shadows and you know gleaned out and he was like I'll show you 07:21.768 --> 07:22.729 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll show you how to do it. 07:22.750 --> 07:31.783 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, all right, dude, and he's, because it's so hot, like if you move the friction of your skin across the water, I mean, it's, you'll have like a panic attack. 07:32.164 --> 07:35.669 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's like, you just get in, you can like, commit that you're getting in and then you don't move. 07:36.270 --> 07:41.839 [SPEAKER_02]: So I like, got in and then all these people kept coming by that were like locals, they're like, holy shit dude. 07:41.859 --> 07:46.386 [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, and I'm just like, boy, like in this thing, I was like, I'll show you the link. 07:46.406 --> 07:47.067 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah. 07:47.047 --> 07:48.129 [SPEAKER_07]: That's incredible. 07:48.149 --> 07:48.489 [SPEAKER_07]: Wow. 07:48.509 --> 07:50.973 [SPEAKER_07]: I learned something about my home state that I didn't know. 07:51.033 --> 07:52.074 [SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe go check them out. 07:52.094 --> 07:52.555 [SPEAKER_07]: I will. 07:52.735 --> 07:54.117 [SPEAKER_07]: We go to Santa Fe. 07:54.298 --> 07:55.920 [SPEAKER_07]: It's a lot around all that area. 07:55.940 --> 07:56.701 [SPEAKER_07]: We just love it so much. 07:56.741 --> 07:59.565 [SPEAKER_07]: But my boyfriend's grandparents bought a house there in the 50s. 07:59.645 --> 08:01.087 [SPEAKER_07]: That's right. 08:01.408 --> 08:02.289 [SPEAKER_07]: All in Santa Fe. 08:02.309 --> 08:02.850 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no. 08:03.591 --> 08:04.613 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, right off the plaza. 08:04.633 --> 08:07.837 [SPEAKER_07]: And so we've just had so many cool experiences. 08:07.857 --> 08:10.802 [SPEAKER_07]: And we met the mayor of the Santa Clara Pueblo. 08:10.842 --> 08:15.889 [SPEAKER_07]: And we got to go watch one of the traditional dances last 08:15.869 --> 08:16.731 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's great. 08:16.751 --> 08:18.253 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I lived in Tows for a while, too. 08:18.654 --> 08:18.814 [SPEAKER_07]: You did? 08:19.375 --> 08:23.322 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like when COVID happened, I went on a motorcycle trip. 08:23.342 --> 08:26.769 [SPEAKER_02]: That was actually the first time I went to Chile because I had my brother was living out there. 08:26.929 --> 08:40.273 [SPEAKER_02]: And he ran a river garden company and we did a motorcycle trip to New Mexico, and then so I'm back around and I finally came and saw him out there, because like classic thing out there is always like it's too far, like whatever, and then I finally went and I was like, Dude, what are you doing? 08:40.253 --> 08:41.475 [SPEAKER_02]: What are you doing out here? 08:41.515 --> 08:55.663 [SPEAKER_02]: This is incredible, but it was like route when COVID started and I realized that I was coming back to POSO, I was living in Austin at the time and I started kind of freaking out because I was like I don't even know what I'm going back for like everything's closed, you know, whatever 08:55.643 --> 09:02.048 [SPEAKER_02]: So he called a buddy in Tauce and was like, hey, do you need any help? 09:02.149 --> 09:03.530 [SPEAKER_02]: And they were like, yeah, absolutely. 09:03.590 --> 09:07.133 [SPEAKER_02]: So I went to Tauce and Rivergotted like that whole first summer of COVID. 09:07.153 --> 09:11.476 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was just living in Georgia and I had my Harley in the back. 09:11.496 --> 09:18.522 [SPEAKER_02]: So I was ripping the Harley all around North New Mexico going to Abacue and, you know, all that loop there is so long. 09:18.542 --> 09:20.244 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's so rad. 09:20.404 --> 09:25.228 [SPEAKER_02]: And the ghost rent, like what's her name? 09:25.208 --> 09:26.369 [SPEAKER_02]: the painter. 09:27.170 --> 09:27.991 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, George O. Keefe. 09:28.071 --> 09:28.732 [SPEAKER_02]: George O. Keefe. 09:28.752 --> 09:29.994 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, all that stuff. 09:30.014 --> 09:30.674 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, what's your name? 09:30.715 --> 09:31.736 [SPEAKER_07]: I was like, Aunt Susie. 09:31.996 --> 09:32.417 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 09:32.517 --> 09:34.139 [SPEAKER_07]: I bet that you're talking about the crazy family. 09:34.179 --> 09:39.044 [SPEAKER_02]: George O. Keefe, yeah, in the Chama, yeah, I love all. 09:39.104 --> 09:39.405 [SPEAKER_07]: Awesome. 09:39.425 --> 09:40.386 [SPEAKER_07]: Aunt Susie's not crazy. 09:40.406 --> 09:41.107 [SPEAKER_07]: Sorry, Aunt Susie. 09:41.267 --> 09:42.048 [SPEAKER_07]: I have to apologize. 09:42.108 --> 09:44.831 [SPEAKER_07]: That's not that is so awesome. 09:44.851 --> 09:45.292 [SPEAKER_07]: So where are you from? 09:45.392 --> 09:46.373 [SPEAKER_07]: Originally then? 09:46.471 --> 10:07.247 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... acclaimed sense of a county and northeast Texas because uh... my family's from sense of a county like both sides uh... for a long long time and uh... the other's uh... like a grave stone from with the keeny last name from like the eighteen thirties 10:07.227 --> 10:21.784 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's been there a long time, then my folks split when I was really young and then we blew it all over the state and my mom got remarried and we moved to Northease Texas and like all these tiny towns around Tyler yeah Tyler Texas Okay, yeah familiar with that area. 10:21.864 --> 10:24.087 [SPEAKER_07]: I just played White House Texas not too long ago. 10:24.227 --> 10:25.389 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah Patrick Mahomes come on baby. 10:25.629 --> 10:28.172 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah, that's right 10:28.152 --> 10:28.793 [SPEAKER_07]: That's fun. 10:28.833 --> 10:30.777 [SPEAKER_07]: We don't play any sexes as much as we used. 10:30.797 --> 10:31.578 [SPEAKER_07]: Do you go to play there? 10:31.598 --> 10:36.487 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's a place in Ben Wheeler called Yeah, we played this store. 10:36.607 --> 10:37.329 [SPEAKER_07]: What's it called? 10:37.349 --> 10:38.511 [SPEAKER_07]: But anyway, I love Ben Wheeler. 10:38.691 --> 10:39.753 [SPEAKER_02]: It's super cute. 10:40.114 --> 10:40.254 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm. 10:40.274 --> 10:40.795 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm. 10:40.815 --> 10:40.995 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay. 10:41.576 --> 10:41.917 [SPEAKER_07]: Great. 10:42.418 --> 10:46.465 [SPEAKER_07]: And then where's your next adventure's taking you on the road? 10:46.445 --> 11:02.107 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, uh, I guess in late April, I'm going up to Montana for runna gigs and then I might go to Key West, but the main thing is I need a uh, a new record and that's the main people are like hammering me. 11:02.247 --> 11:08.476 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's that yeah, I was basically on the road for like two years straight like nonstop and I'm like, you're, you're fine. 11:08.596 --> 11:10.018 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't need to go anywhere. 11:10.158 --> 11:11.440 [SPEAKER_02]: You need to 11:11.420 --> 11:13.352 [SPEAKER_02]: cut an actual, you know, cut a record. 11:13.432 --> 11:17.818 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, they need to, they need to be patient because you just released the last one it was last year. 11:18.102 --> 11:20.005 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, but that even that was all. 11:20.025 --> 11:21.227 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I write so damn much. 11:21.267 --> 11:23.451 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I write faster than I released. 11:23.511 --> 11:25.014 [SPEAKER_02]: I just, you know, that's just what I do. 11:25.214 --> 11:26.857 [SPEAKER_02]: I've just been, you know, yeah. 11:26.877 --> 11:28.379 [SPEAKER_07]: So it's also expensive. 11:28.399 --> 11:29.000 [SPEAKER_02]: It's expensive. 11:29.221 --> 11:30.964 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, people like, why don't you do this? 11:30.984 --> 11:32.046 [SPEAKER_07]: I can make a record. 11:32.066 --> 11:33.769 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I know like, I'm sorry, do you know how $40,000? 11:33.929 --> 11:36.072 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, yeah. 11:36.133 --> 11:39.739 [SPEAKER_02]: And then that's not even considering like the marketing budget and all this kind of stuff is like data. 11:39.759 --> 11:43.485 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you know, it's a damn war zone out there. 11:43.465 --> 11:54.903 [SPEAKER_07]: It is and to cut through even for for live shows, I'm having to spend hundreds of dollars on advertising for, you know, for our even our green hall show, the other night it was like boosting stuff online. 11:54.923 --> 12:00.972 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and this is like one one gig, you know, it's, I mean, yeah, it's when you play as much as we do. 12:01.012 --> 12:02.655 [SPEAKER_07]: That's up real fast. 12:02.635 --> 12:17.569 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely, and then like every other day the damn algorithm changes and you're like, dude, like the other day I was getting thousands of you know, whatever, so then I don't promote and I just play teeny tiny gigs around places that I think are cool. 12:17.970 --> 12:18.931 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what ends up happening. 12:18.951 --> 12:19.851 [SPEAKER_07]: That makes me so happy. 12:19.892 --> 12:25.357 [SPEAKER_07]: Like the fact that you're going to Montana, I mean Montana and the summertime, the first time I played there changed my life. 12:25.537 --> 12:31.883 [SPEAKER_07]: I just didn't, I didn't know about Montana in the summertime and I was like 25 and I was just like, 12:31.863 --> 12:39.637 [SPEAKER_07]: this place I drank out of a stream that I don't I don't know it was just I just loved it Oh, yeah, I saw you were there. 12:39.877 --> 12:41.741 [SPEAKER_07]: You went there pretty recently this summer. 12:41.781 --> 12:51.458 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah Yeah, both you're on both mental stuff is super great, but one place nobody talks about it's not as like mountainous But like Easter Montana like 12:52.315 --> 12:53.899 [SPEAKER_02]: they know how to get down. 12:54.540 --> 12:54.821 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really. 12:54.841 --> 12:55.142 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh dude. 12:55.423 --> 12:56.024 [SPEAKER_02]: It's it. 12:56.044 --> 12:56.565 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it. 12:56.605 --> 12:58.490 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I was playing in Miles City, Montana. 12:58.550 --> 13:00.575 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's where I didn't remember it. 13:00.595 --> 13:07.652 [SPEAKER_02]: Like all this stuff kind of like lined up, but I was I was reading the first book of Lonesome Dove, which is Deadman's Walk. 13:08.534 --> 13:10.138 [SPEAKER_02]: And some reading that. 13:10.557 --> 13:18.027 [SPEAKER_02]: go to Mile City and realize that that was the Mile City is where those cattle, one of those cattle trails would end. 13:18.448 --> 13:23.295 [SPEAKER_02]: So the biggest brunt, I think the biggest brunt sell in the world is in Mile City, Montana. 13:23.315 --> 13:26.039 [SPEAKER_02]: So these are some cowboys. 13:26.519 --> 13:30.104 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it is cowboys, cowboys get some playing with all these folks. 13:30.745 --> 13:37.054 [SPEAKER_02]: And just the vibe, I mean, the saloon that we were in, like I was living in the 13:37.034 --> 13:39.337 [SPEAKER_02]: but brothel back in the day that they converted into a apartment. 13:39.357 --> 13:45.826 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's where I was there for like three days playing, just the whole vibe just wreaks of like the old world. 13:45.866 --> 13:47.669 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really, really damn cool. 13:48.150 --> 13:52.756 [SPEAKER_07]: That is amazing and that's, that's how I feel about, you know, music being able to take me places. 13:52.776 --> 13:54.919 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like I get to get paid travel. 13:54.979 --> 14:01.388 [SPEAKER_07]: And I want to go learn about the places I just did the Dakotas and Wisconsin, what I did, 14:01.722 --> 14:02.603 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my god, I tried it. 14:02.623 --> 14:03.624 [SPEAKER_07]: South to count, hold on. 14:03.845 --> 14:04.986 [SPEAKER_07]: We were the black holes. 14:05.006 --> 14:05.246 [SPEAKER_07]: Yes. 14:05.326 --> 14:08.130 [SPEAKER_07]: So then I was reading all the books about crazy horse. 14:08.370 --> 14:10.212 [SPEAKER_07]: Just because I wanted to go to the monument. 14:10.593 --> 14:11.674 [SPEAKER_07]: I went to the monument. 14:11.694 --> 14:12.875 [SPEAKER_07]: It's, I know. 14:12.915 --> 14:13.416 [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy. 14:13.696 --> 14:14.237 [SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing. 14:14.337 --> 14:15.238 [SPEAKER_07]: It's amazing. 14:15.338 --> 14:17.501 [SPEAKER_07]: And I like to just learn about the places that I'm in. 14:17.621 --> 14:20.284 [SPEAKER_07]: And I get to do that because I'm using it and it's my favorite thing in the whole world. 14:20.304 --> 14:25.611 [SPEAKER_07]: To just, you know, driving, looking at the window and there's buffalo by the road. 14:25.711 --> 14:27.713 [SPEAKER_07]: And it's just, it's, 14:27.693 --> 14:34.845 [SPEAKER_02]: And seeing like the real-deal prairie like once you get out of the black hills and that like where you're like This is like the prayer. 14:34.885 --> 14:35.567 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, where it is. 14:35.667 --> 14:52.536 [SPEAKER_02]: It looks like I mean it looks like the apparently there's people that get ocean sickness out there because it is so similar to Like ocean waves like with the grain rolling and the hills like people will have get nauseated because it's so similar to the it's just I don't know very magical 14:52.516 --> 14:57.742 [SPEAKER_07]: I remember being like, oh, this is the Amber waves of grain that we're speaking of, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh my gosh. 14:57.762 --> 15:05.050 [SPEAKER_07]: This is so fun to talk about this because I do know, Lath in Montana, sorry, Lath is the promoter and Montana that we work with that. 15:05.230 --> 15:09.995 [SPEAKER_07]: He is really, he got us shows at that barren immigrant, old saloon and immigrant. 15:10.015 --> 15:18.424 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, um, anyway, Paul and I were supposed to go do a run in Montana this summer and he was going to really help us out up there and I got a big money show in Texas. 15:18.445 --> 15:21.628 [SPEAKER_07]: So I had to cancel my Montana trip and I'm still, um, 15:21.608 --> 15:22.510 [SPEAKER_07]: really upset about it. 15:22.670 --> 15:28.741 [SPEAKER_07]: But anyway, I need to connect y'all because he's incredible, but I mean, not that you need it or anything, but I don't know. 15:28.802 --> 15:29.884 [SPEAKER_02]: I need it. 15:29.924 --> 15:30.725 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll take well. 15:30.745 --> 15:31.907 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll take whatever I can get. 15:32.008 --> 15:36.737 [SPEAKER_02]: I got some help, but I'll take, I'll take the life from the divide and postmen and all of it. 15:36.757 --> 15:40.123 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, all those places people keep telling me I need to. 15:40.103 --> 15:52.611 [SPEAKER_02]: I need to play there like this is where you belong or whatever you need to play here, but also I also too just like I'd bands forever my whole career I guess and then about 15:53.620 --> 16:16.354 [SPEAKER_02]: two and a half years ago, while I was going to quit music, I moved to West Texas to quit music, and I was going to get a trade, I was going to figure out what trade I was going to do, like, considering just go to school, do a trade school for welding or whatever, and then I went out to West Texas and somehow in that my brother was like, actually what she should do is like start playing solo and then go on tour. 16:16.915 --> 16:19.138 [SPEAKER_02]: And I like blew my mind, I was like, 16:19.118 --> 16:27.863 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh crap dude, so then I started doing the solo thing and started actually building a show with that and then what I'm falling in love with is like the small 16:28.670 --> 16:52.450 [SPEAKER_02]: Especially if like what what I'm doing like road dog in a loan like if you have your stuff built out Like if you if you hang out in the west like there's so much public lands There's so many of these small towns that are like hugging up a next a parks and all this stuff that you can I mean these little bitty towns where it's just the most fun 16:52.430 --> 17:19.500 [SPEAKER_02]: like stories you're picking up on and like people that are really actually from like the region like you're really getting the so-called stuff up and and you can do it with a band for sure but playing solo it's like if people like what you're doing and so like intimate like it's like you know it's just one person it's like you can kind of get the keys to like a community like right there at the gate like they're like well come over to Mama's house you're like it'll immediately 17:19.480 --> 17:27.931 [SPEAKER_02]: this, you know, their environment, which to me is kind of that whole trevador kind of thing. 17:27.971 --> 17:36.562 [SPEAKER_02]: That's like the whole, you know, it's like, you know, swimming through through stories and and finding songs out of it and meeting people that you're like, this is absolutely bananas. 17:36.582 --> 17:38.385 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't even believe I'm like, listen to this person talk about whatever. 17:38.405 --> 17:38.565 [SPEAKER_02]: Totally. 17:38.585 --> 17:42.450 [SPEAKER_07]: I, and that, you know, you know, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, 17:42.430 --> 17:46.375 [SPEAKER_07]: is a shift for me, too, because I always, my dream was always to play with a touring band. 17:46.415 --> 17:56.028 [SPEAKER_07]: And I did, and I was just talking to Aaron about, you know, we used to do 15, 24 band shows a month, and it was like really, it was a lot, and it was, um, and I still have a band. 17:56.128 --> 18:01.134 [SPEAKER_07]: But we're doing, you know, between five and 10 a month, and this, this month, it's five, I think. 18:01.695 --> 18:01.795 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. 18:01.815 --> 18:04.759 [SPEAKER_07]: And then the rest of the shows are so low acoustic shows that I've, 18:04.739 --> 18:09.286 [SPEAKER_07]: That really fill my cup and then I get to be in a different way. 18:09.367 --> 18:23.710 [SPEAKER_02]: I think a balance is where it's at because it's also Doing the solo thing it just makes you such a better performer like you're just have to Engage in a different way because you can hide behind a band you can not be hitting you know you can kind of 18:23.690 --> 18:29.661 [SPEAKER_02]: You can half-ass it a little more than if it's just you, it's like you have to be on, like you have, you know, an engaged. 18:29.721 --> 18:35.552 [SPEAKER_02]: And once you get your, you know, get the whole thing to where everything's just tied in and, you know, you never let them go. 18:35.612 --> 18:38.998 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a totally different, totally different kind of thing. 18:38.978 --> 18:55.452 [SPEAKER_07]: my favorite dance and I love it and you find the stories that work and you find and then I think people really appreciate if you're interested in their area and their history which I genuinely am and you know we went to like Bizby and we met a random guy who he 18:55.432 --> 19:16.258 [SPEAKER_07]: he's invited us up to his rooftop and then he said hit that switch and I hit the switch and across the road on the mountain he had a big giant Batman projected Batman hit the bat six objectives it was awesome and you never would have you know not that I wouldn't have those experiences with the band but you're always loading out and about the time we load out your tired and you're going the hotels yeah 19:16.238 --> 19:21.225 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like, I can throw my guitar my back and be done, and that's kind of a beautiful thing. 19:21.245 --> 19:26.813 [SPEAKER_07]: And so I just did a, I'm doing another Arizona run, and then in the fall, we do a Midwest run. 19:26.854 --> 19:39.011 [SPEAKER_07]: And I'm just, just take my tour manager, my dog, and this thing, and like you said, you can stay free so many places or hotels are outrageous now, and, and I can, we can just sleep on here or sleep in a tent or whatever. 19:39.031 --> 19:41.755 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's how nicely I think it adds to it. 19:41.976 --> 19:44.980 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I mean, once you get a ton of people involved, it's like, 19:44.960 --> 20:01.047 [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to do that kind of thing, but if you have like a little crew, it just adds to the whole, yeah, man, like, yeah, you talk about Arizona, it's like going, I had a gig in Sedona, I go and then on my way to Sedona, I'm going from Prescott, and I find Jerome, and I'm like, what is, you know what I mean? 20:01.228 --> 20:07.879 [SPEAKER_02]: So then I played one, my gig in Sedona, and then stayed for a week, this lady, like, I started talking to her, and I was like, well, 20:07.859 --> 20:25.463 [SPEAKER_02]: What the where am I like what the hell is this place and she realized so much I like it so she gave me a deal on her like bed breakfast and I stayed for like a week and just like wrote and hung out in Jerome and like Jerome is incredible if I had a band I would never be able to do that You'd never they'd be like I'm tired or I need much whatever 20:31.973 --> 20:40.971 [SPEAKER_08]: Hey, this is Bree Bagwell, and if you want to listen to this podcast early and add free, subscribe to my Patreon at www.patrion.com, backslash Bree Bagwell. 20:42.622 --> 20:45.705 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my gosh, Jerome is such a magical place. 20:45.985 --> 20:52.410 [SPEAKER_07]: It is so rad, all that whole area I've never played in to don't know, but I met some crazy people in Jerome. 20:52.711 --> 21:04.521 [SPEAKER_07]: It's a lovely, like in a lovely way, crazy, like it, oh, oh gosh, if you can go to Jerome and then they have that kaleidoscope museum as I'm in Jerome where I think you know. 21:04.781 --> 21:12.628 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a bunch of little museums and stuff that some stuff's closed and they're kind of just doing whatever the hell they want, so like you can do anything you want 21:12.608 --> 21:15.092 [SPEAKER_07]: and walking and beautiful. 21:15.152 --> 21:16.515 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, we have the same love for drum. 21:16.555 --> 21:19.620 [SPEAKER_07]: I haven't talked to you about anything that I have wanted to talk to you about. 21:19.660 --> 21:21.543 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and it's better than I could have imagined. 21:21.563 --> 21:22.084 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, good. 21:22.305 --> 21:27.394 [SPEAKER_07]: So, well, you know, when you a lot of times when I have people on this podcast I've known him for 10 years or something. 21:27.414 --> 21:31.721 [SPEAKER_07]: So, I don't really get nervous, but today I was a little bit nervous, and then I was looking through your stuff. 21:31.761 --> 21:34.346 [SPEAKER_07]: I think me and the sky are going to be good friends. 21:34.366 --> 21:35.207 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, this is. 21:35.187 --> 21:43.557 [SPEAKER_07]: this isn't going to be tough at all but I even if if I said of all those files I could talk to you for 30 minutes about your devil's river project. 21:44.078 --> 21:45.019 [SPEAKER_07]: How do you pronounce it? 21:45.039 --> 21:45.740 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, what? 21:45.760 --> 21:47.862 [SPEAKER_07]: Because I always say like Salatario. 21:48.423 --> 21:51.206 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I was going to call a Salatario. 21:51.387 --> 21:52.147 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right. 21:52.248 --> 21:55.351 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's yeah, it's Matt Salatario. 21:56.152 --> 21:56.773 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah. 21:56.753 --> 21:58.035 [SPEAKER_07]: That is such a cool project. 21:58.075 --> 22:00.378 [SPEAKER_07]: So if you haven't listened to it, make sure you go do it. 22:00.418 --> 22:04.763 [SPEAKER_07]: It's a mix of, you know, spoken word. 22:04.983 --> 22:06.525 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if I'm doing a good job here. 22:06.866 --> 22:10.871 [SPEAKER_07]: Spoken word mixed with songs, and it's just every other track. 22:10.891 --> 22:14.996 [SPEAKER_07]: And I drove home from Denton the other day. 22:15.036 --> 22:17.419 [SPEAKER_07]: The band, I said, I need drive. 22:17.439 --> 22:18.621 [SPEAKER_07]: I want to listen to this record. 22:18.641 --> 22:20.123 [SPEAKER_07]: And I had the best time listening to it. 22:20.143 --> 22:21.745 [SPEAKER_07]: It was very cool. 22:21.885 --> 22:25.950 [SPEAKER_07]: It seems like that's something 22:25.930 --> 22:26.992 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, oh yeah. 22:27.012 --> 22:31.138 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and my boyfriend did it and he said it was wild. 22:31.679 --> 22:33.461 [SPEAKER_07]: He just going down the Devils River. 22:33.481 --> 22:33.762 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah. 22:34.182 --> 22:35.805 [SPEAKER_07]: That's that's so cool. 22:35.885 --> 22:40.071 [SPEAKER_07]: And did you write that while you were doing that or did or later or how that whole thing? 22:40.091 --> 22:41.273 [SPEAKER_02]: It was it was afterwards. 22:41.593 --> 22:43.716 [SPEAKER_02]: So we like to say I was river garden. 22:45.018 --> 22:48.684 [SPEAKER_02]: So me and my bud take a trip. 22:48.724 --> 22:50.166 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we had like 22:50.618 --> 22:54.524 [SPEAKER_02]: I think there's 10 people on the trip and it was a four day overnight. 22:54.624 --> 22:56.287 [SPEAKER_02]: We're running the devil's super great. 22:56.708 --> 23:01.496 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the last day or the last night before the next day we're like loading out or whatever. 23:01.536 --> 23:09.368 [SPEAKER_02]: And that river is really weird because it's such tight walls. 23:09.609 --> 23:14.196 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the lake on the side wall. 23:14.176 --> 23:16.981 [SPEAKER_02]: If I cast I'm sorry, you can cast I'm okay. 23:17.001 --> 23:20.627 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't mean to but say sorry to my mom and then you're fine I'm kidding. 23:20.648 --> 23:21.409 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, Breeze mom. 23:21.709 --> 23:32.168 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not trying to I don't want to cast it but sometimes it slips But a leg on me style will screw up the weather since so you'll think you'll know what's going on Weather wise and I'm instead will just throw just things in the haywire. 23:32.829 --> 23:34.412 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's the last night 23:34.392 --> 23:48.098 [SPEAKER_02]: And uh, my buddy Matt, he's been guiding and outfitting like he's ran the damn ucon melt and a lat I mean he is a outfitter if he has seen it all the storm blows in 23:48.365 --> 24:00.084 [SPEAKER_02]: and this river starts turning chocolatey and we start seeing all this debris come down and I mean it's like 50 mile an hour winds and he looks at me and he's like this is like the worst storm I've ever been to. 24:00.104 --> 24:05.793 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're telling all these people we're like get to get to high ground, we get them all in their tents and we're like staying your tent. 24:05.853 --> 24:07.256 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was raining so hard we couldn't see. 24:07.316 --> 24:13.005 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're dragging these boats out of this river's fast so we can't cause we're filling up with water cause rain so hard. 24:13.323 --> 24:20.895 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was all, we had this broad idea that we were going to cut down on how much weight we were carrying. 24:21.296 --> 24:23.319 [SPEAKER_02]: So we had, we brought hammocks. 24:24.321 --> 24:25.282 [SPEAKER_02]: That was our whole thing. 24:25.743 --> 24:27.666 [SPEAKER_02]: So the hammocks don't work. 24:27.746 --> 24:28.427 [SPEAKER_02]: We can't do it. 24:28.507 --> 24:29.128 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 24:29.248 --> 24:29.649 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely. 24:30.010 --> 24:31.993 [SPEAKER_02]: There was this, I'll never forget it. 24:32.053 --> 24:35.558 [SPEAKER_02]: There was this late sixties guy from Louisiana. 24:35.598 --> 24:37.221 [SPEAKER_02]: He was so damn cool. 24:37.201 --> 24:39.984 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're loading out all these boats getting all this up. 24:40.044 --> 24:52.078 [SPEAKER_02]: It's pouring rain and we're like this Bitch is about to flash like we have I mean this bad situation So I start here in this yelling coming from the tree line and I want what the hell So I go run back to go figure it out. 24:52.118 --> 25:02.550 [SPEAKER_02]: Well this old timer from Louisiana had climbed up in his hammock and put a tarp over it So that he could get out of the rain or whatever and the dam hammock slipped 25:02.530 --> 25:04.973 [SPEAKER_02]: Down, so he was just stuck in this bag. 25:05.013 --> 25:05.714 [SPEAKER_02]: It couldn't get out. 25:05.774 --> 25:08.438 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just poor grade So I like opened up this thing. 25:08.458 --> 25:09.940 [SPEAKER_02]: I like did he got to get out of here cup with us? 25:09.980 --> 25:10.420 [SPEAKER_02]: We built shit. 25:10.440 --> 25:22.716 [SPEAKER_02]: He was in his underwear So he's it's like altivers it is underwear And he's like this is one of the best damn trips I've ever been on like we're all huddled up I mean it looks like it's bad I mean we're both me and matter watching this river and we're like dude this is 25:22.696 --> 25:24.820 [SPEAKER_02]: freaking weird in a bad situation. 25:25.521 --> 25:26.823 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and this old time was just laughing. 25:26.843 --> 25:30.329 [SPEAKER_02]: He was like, well, he used to do Koon Hunt to get caught and shit like this old time boss. 25:30.529 --> 25:31.170 [SPEAKER_02]: This is great. 25:31.230 --> 25:32.172 [SPEAKER_02]: He's just sitting in his underwear. 25:32.753 --> 25:34.215 [SPEAKER_02]: But uh, so that all happens. 25:34.296 --> 25:38.643 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the next day, everyone's like, Colt, you should write a song about that storm or whatever. 25:39.224 --> 25:47.798 [SPEAKER_02]: So uh, it started out as I'm trying to write a song and the more started right in it, I was like, oh, this is, this is like a, uh, this is a point. 25:47.819 --> 25:48.720 [SPEAKER_06]: It's a tale. 25:48.700 --> 25:53.870 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it just turned into, I mean, you know, it didn't even end up being about the storm. 25:53.890 --> 26:06.033 [SPEAKER_02]: So I like had that poem written, and then I had all these songs, and I wanted to cut, I just wanted to cut like a demo, like a demo for a record or whatever. 26:06.514 --> 26:10.742 [SPEAKER_02]: And there's this little church in Turlingua, so we get all that set up. 26:11.127 --> 26:20.160 [SPEAKER_02]: And while all this is going on, have you read Rick Ruben's, uh, creative magic or creative, but I know you know what I'm talking about. 26:20.180 --> 26:20.941 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember the title. 26:21.021 --> 26:21.221 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry. 26:21.241 --> 26:23.104 [SPEAKER_02]: It's got the circle with the dot on it. 26:23.284 --> 26:23.805 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 26:23.825 --> 26:27.850 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm reading this while I've wrote this poem and I have all this stuff. 26:27.911 --> 26:29.693 [SPEAKER_02]: Me and my buddy, uh, 26:29.673 --> 26:30.755 [SPEAKER_02]: Shout out to Bill Palmer. 26:31.196 --> 26:32.959 [SPEAKER_02]: Bill Palmer sets up all of his gear. 26:33.400 --> 26:45.741 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm reading this while we're doing it and perform the songs and then I was like, you know, I'm just going to read this poem at the, I'm just going to have, you know, why not, you know, so I read this poem. 26:46.953 --> 27:14.580 [SPEAKER_02]: Read and Rick Rubin this whole time and Rick Rubin's read that book a lot of it is like, you know, whatever you're working on There's like a overarching subconscious like connectivity that you're not even like aware of as a creator that's going on So my mind's kind of in that thing so we start mixing it and cutting it and doing all this kind of stuff and I think Palmer like hit a button on accident So we're listening to a song and then it cut over to a section of the poem and I was like hold on 27:14.560 --> 27:18.305 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, cut that here, cut that here, put that there, I was like, play that. 27:19.006 --> 27:23.091 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, it's a fucking record, like, it's a damn concept album. 27:23.131 --> 27:26.395 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, this whole thing is, it's gonna be a concept record. 27:26.415 --> 27:33.284 [SPEAKER_02]: And every song, it all works together, like, it all, you know, so is a total like... Yeah, the song's flow right with those words in the poms. 27:33.725 --> 27:34.766 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my gosh. 27:35.107 --> 27:35.387 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 27:35.367 --> 27:37.411 [SPEAKER_07]: That is so awesome. 27:37.591 --> 27:38.132 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm so glad. 27:38.192 --> 27:41.698 [SPEAKER_07]: And then I love how he's, you know, like, just do it. 27:41.738 --> 27:43.161 [SPEAKER_07]: Sometimes I overthink things to death. 27:43.181 --> 27:47.308 [SPEAKER_07]: And it's like, no, you should just release those tapes as they are just you in a guitar. 27:47.408 --> 27:48.691 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, that's, that's what makes it. 27:48.771 --> 27:50.113 [SPEAKER_02]: Which I would never normally do. 27:50.333 --> 27:54.721 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I mean, even now I'm like, oh, they could be a lot better. 27:54.841 --> 27:57.426 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm like, I mean, I don't know, just put out, I mean, what are you doing? 27:57.406 --> 27:59.388 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I thought it was very cool. 27:59.428 --> 28:08.218 [SPEAKER_07]: And also in the age of everything being overproduced and over tuned and over, I think that, like, Ron Rill is what makes it super cool. 28:08.539 --> 28:08.819 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, good. 28:08.999 --> 28:09.560 [SPEAKER_03]: Accessible. 28:09.680 --> 28:11.963 [SPEAKER_07]: You know, like, I'm like, this person is freaking cool. 28:12.123 --> 28:12.664 [SPEAKER_03]: Good. 28:12.844 --> 28:13.304 [SPEAKER_07]: I love that. 28:13.404 --> 28:15.367 [SPEAKER_07]: So you already have the next one written as I wait. 28:15.467 --> 28:16.208 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm hearing from you. 28:16.228 --> 28:16.828 [SPEAKER_07]: You're like me. 28:16.848 --> 28:18.791 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, I have the next three records written. 28:18.811 --> 28:19.812 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm just trying to get it. 28:20.372 --> 28:20.713 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 28:21.093 --> 28:21.354 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 28:21.534 --> 28:26.940 [SPEAKER_02]: But this one is going to be like a full, 28:26.920 --> 28:41.942 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was just on the road for so long that I could quit worrying about it, but I kept writing and then I've worked shopped all this stuff on the road so much that I know for a fact what works and what doesn't, you know, what I mean, like what where people afterwards are like, where do I find that and I'm like, it's... 28:41.922 --> 28:44.926 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have it record and they're like, what are you doing? 28:45.026 --> 28:45.867 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, okay, dude. 28:45.967 --> 28:46.308 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 28:46.388 --> 28:46.708 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 28:46.728 --> 28:50.433 [SPEAKER_06]: But for the low price of $5,000, you can have this. 28:50.453 --> 28:50.553 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 28:50.813 --> 28:50.914 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 28:50.934 --> 28:52.976 [SPEAKER_02]: You can have a pretty lucky meeting. 28:52.996 --> 29:10.579 [SPEAKER_02]: I got a lot of really great connections of folks that have really helped me out and we're just we're starting to this next month is me figuring out how to how to make it make it boom and be a thing that and I don't think it's kind of I just need to get focused on it because get scatterbrained and 29:10.964 --> 29:16.977 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's, that's, we were all born that way as artists, so yeah, yeah, it's really hard for me. 29:17.037 --> 29:29.445 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't, something about it, I'm about to re-record a bunch of my old tunes that I don't own, the master, some about to re-record a bunch of them and something about just starting a project that big is really hard for me. 29:29.505 --> 29:31.048 [SPEAKER_07]: Once I get going, 29:31.028 --> 29:35.659 [SPEAKER_07]: then I'm in it but like taking on a giant task is really hard for me. 29:35.719 --> 29:40.971 [SPEAKER_07]: I'd rather be like, well, I need to go to the grocery store instead, you know, instead of taking on this mountain of an artistic project. 29:42.154 --> 29:43.818 [SPEAKER_07]: But you've motivated me. 29:43.898 --> 29:45.843 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to go record today. 29:46.104 --> 29:46.725 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh good. 29:46.705 --> 29:48.908 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to do it because I have no excuse. 29:48.928 --> 29:49.569 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. 29:49.709 --> 29:50.230 [SPEAKER_02]: No, yeah. 29:50.270 --> 29:51.412 [SPEAKER_07]: Gotta get the art out there. 29:51.512 --> 29:51.972 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 29:52.153 --> 29:52.473 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 29:52.733 --> 29:52.974 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 29:53.174 --> 29:55.117 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the whole, I mean, yeah. 29:55.137 --> 29:55.657 [SPEAKER_02]: You know. 29:56.138 --> 30:01.806 [SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of times, I feel like, at least for me, if I don't, I get creatively stagnant. 30:01.826 --> 30:04.890 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's like, there's like some kind of block that happens in the second. 30:04.910 --> 30:06.232 [SPEAKER_02]: I release something or do whatever. 30:06.773 --> 30:07.874 [SPEAKER_02]: It kind of opens up. 30:07.954 --> 30:09.777 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like you get like caught like. 30:09.757 --> 30:19.386 [SPEAKER_02]: creatively constipated, you know, and then it opens up and then it kind of, you know, some new stuff can kind of go in and you can't not think about that stuff anymore. 30:20.427 --> 30:22.028 [SPEAKER_02]: Keep your antenna clean, you know? 30:22.048 --> 30:22.869 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I love that. 30:22.929 --> 30:25.932 [SPEAKER_07]: Whenever I take a break from writing, sometimes I feel like that's important. 30:26.372 --> 30:37.182 [SPEAKER_07]: My brain is still that muscle is still so used to being used that I feel like I'm exploding with songs because I've exercised that muscle so much, 30:37.162 --> 30:41.830 [SPEAKER_07]: that I don't even feel like I can't take a break because my muscle doesn't know how to stop. 30:41.991 --> 30:43.012 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, right. 30:43.032 --> 30:44.134 [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you, feel like that. 30:44.255 --> 30:45.056 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, for sure. 30:45.296 --> 30:47.640 [SPEAKER_02]: It makes me insane a lot of times. 30:47.661 --> 31:02.106 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's why it's, yeah, for me, it's good to just have like have my structure like, you know, my time, like I really like the more like, like, if I haven't locked in, it's like a wake up, I go to the gym or exercise, whatever, come take a shower, get coffee, 31:02.086 --> 31:12.507 [SPEAKER_02]: And then start riding and hopefully, I mean, my best like rhythm of it, I mean, is what I figured out was out in Trelingo, because I'd wake up, I'd do that kind of thing, get my coffee, and then I'd go to the porch. 31:12.888 --> 31:13.549 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'd ride. 31:13.950 --> 31:19.842 [SPEAKER_02]: The porch opens at around 10, so I'd try to be there by like 930, and then I would ride until like 1. 31:19.822 --> 31:28.175 [SPEAKER_02]: And then when I was done with that, I mean, everybody in town would be like, there's no new where I was from like a certain type. 31:28.195 --> 31:29.718 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, oh, I saw you on the porch. 31:29.778 --> 31:33.244 [SPEAKER_07]: You can write on the porch without people interrupting, or is that the point? 31:33.504 --> 31:35.267 [SPEAKER_02]: It's before anybody really shows. 31:35.307 --> 31:37.390 [SPEAKER_02]: So it changes around noon or one. 31:37.470 --> 31:38.993 [SPEAKER_02]: That's in the odd bounce. 31:39.474 --> 31:39.754 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 31:39.734 --> 31:45.081 [SPEAKER_07]: Because the last time we went to Terlingua, we hadn't been in a while, and the porch was packed. 31:45.222 --> 31:49.247 [SPEAKER_07]: It was not, I was just, it was just different than I remember. 31:49.307 --> 31:52.171 [SPEAKER_07]: Like there's a lot more people there than I remember ever being there. 31:52.351 --> 31:56.317 [SPEAKER_02]: It just depends on the time of year, and what's going on, and the time of day. 31:56.437 --> 32:00.122 [SPEAKER_02]: Because if it's like Sunday, yeah, it's going to be boom, boom, and everyone's... 32:00.102 --> 32:07.031 [SPEAKER_02]: Especially the locals are all hanging out and stuff, but if it's Monday at 1030 you can go right on that. 32:07.191 --> 32:07.451 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 32:07.592 --> 32:09.314 [SPEAKER_07]: What a magical place of right with that view. 32:09.334 --> 32:09.955 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah. 32:10.495 --> 32:11.256 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, man. 32:11.416 --> 32:12.938 [SPEAKER_07]: There's always a dog to pick. 32:12.958 --> 32:13.459 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely. 32:14.280 --> 32:15.882 [SPEAKER_07]: How fun is that? 32:16.002 --> 32:20.348 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, so we're got another record in the works and lots of lots of touring. 32:20.428 --> 32:22.971 [SPEAKER_07]: I do want to talk to you about just the last thing before. 32:22.951 --> 32:23.612 [SPEAKER_07]: I let you go. 32:23.632 --> 32:24.773 [SPEAKER_07]: Thanks for coming to me. 32:24.793 --> 32:29.960 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I had a lot of things that we didn't really get to yet, but can you tell me about that music video? 32:30.000 --> 32:32.083 [SPEAKER_07]: Because 80,000 pounds of pain. 32:32.343 --> 32:33.444 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 32:33.464 --> 32:34.586 [SPEAKER_07]: I love music videos. 32:34.646 --> 32:35.166 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't watch it. 32:35.187 --> 32:36.288 [SPEAKER_02]: Super proud of this video. 32:36.488 --> 32:38.691 [SPEAKER_07]: You should be so proud of it. 32:38.751 --> 32:39.973 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so, it's so rad. 32:40.153 --> 32:41.154 [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't get it. 32:41.174 --> 32:42.796 [SPEAKER_02]: I still feel like it didn't get it's full. 32:43.197 --> 32:44.158 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not just me. 32:44.218 --> 32:45.680 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like the whole crew that I had. 32:46.361 --> 32:47.662 [SPEAKER_02]: Drake Howard, he directed it. 32:47.803 --> 32:48.824 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, it's so rad. 32:48.984 --> 32:49.785 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so proud of that thing. 32:49.765 --> 32:50.706 [SPEAKER_07]: You should be so proud of it. 32:50.746 --> 33:00.999 [SPEAKER_07]: And I think that music videos are a little bit of a lost art and when people do it and when people do a good job at it, I'm so proud of them because I was hooked from start to finish. 33:01.199 --> 33:01.439 [SPEAKER_03]: Good. 33:02.681 --> 33:03.481 [SPEAKER_07]: Really looks good. 33:03.502 --> 33:04.162 [SPEAKER_07]: You look insane. 33:04.182 --> 33:05.564 [SPEAKER_07]: You might haunt me in my dreams. 33:05.744 --> 33:06.065 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 33:06.325 --> 33:07.967 [SPEAKER_02]: I was a demon tracker from hell. 33:08.728 --> 33:09.028 [SPEAKER_07]: But really. 33:09.048 --> 33:09.669 [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, trust me. 33:09.689 --> 33:10.970 [SPEAKER_07]: The ship wheel. 33:11.371 --> 33:12.813 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah. 33:12.973 --> 33:13.073 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. 33:14.268 --> 33:30.555 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so no no so I I got obsessed with this idea I built that whole truck myself I built it out of two by fours and cardboard cardboard and then I went to Southside Antonio and and 33:30.535 --> 33:34.100 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a semi truck graveyard in South San Antonio. 33:34.160 --> 33:53.809 [SPEAKER_02]: It's 40 acres of semi trucks from like the 1930s all the way up until Martin that are just stuff back in this place So I found this place took a saws all cut the nose off of a Peter bill and then took that and then built backwards off of that thing so built this whole thing and then I realized that 33:53.789 --> 34:21.028 [SPEAKER_02]: You can find like phone footage of someone like putting a black light over a scorpion because their exoskeleton blows right you can find phone footage but I scoured the internet and could not find one like artistic professionally done thing of someone using that imagery and I was like I think I got I think I got an idea I think I got an idea I'm good idea so I had done some carpentry work at a damn what do you call it? 34:21.008 --> 34:22.458 [SPEAKER_02]: Not a petting zoo. 34:22.699 --> 34:23.102 [SPEAKER_02]: A dam. 34:23.585 --> 34:26.665 [SPEAKER_02]: Where you sell animals or you sell birds and stuff like a 34:28.383 --> 34:32.628 [SPEAKER_02]: Like a animal, yeah, animal store, whatever. 34:32.709 --> 34:34.130 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't think of that pet store. 34:34.170 --> 34:35.132 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, pet store. 34:35.152 --> 34:55.858 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 34:56.193 --> 35:03.285 [SPEAKER_02]: So I call him, tell him the idea and apparently the bigger a scorpion is the more docile they are. 35:03.345 --> 35:07.452 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why tech scorpions are mean as shit because there's like little little tiny little things. 35:07.472 --> 35:11.479 [SPEAKER_02]: They're just like, ah, you know, the bigger they are, the more docile I guess they have less predators. 35:11.499 --> 35:13.763 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why the movies use these huge 35:13.743 --> 35:31.819 [SPEAKER_02]: scorpions because they're basically like they're just a big bug basically like they're just not very whatever so this guy shows up I paid him a hundred dollars to come on to the set I'm like hell yeah so he comes to set we have the shot set up what this guy doesn't tell me is that he's got Parkinson's so this guy 35:32.052 --> 35:44.264 [SPEAKER_02]: How you doing Colt shakes my hand and I was like and I didn't really think about it until I lay on my back And then he's holding these scorpions with Parkinson's and he's like you need a whole steal I was just just like, oh my god, put it up my face Why do I? 35:44.645 --> 35:57.518 [SPEAKER_02]: It took so long for those shots because they're crawling over my eye and all this kind of stuff and It ended up going flow that you know nothing really happened, but it was just terrifying and he pulled them off And he'd be shaking and they're like little pinchers around here. 35:57.558 --> 35:58.899 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like they're getting away from me. 35:58.919 --> 35:59.680 [SPEAKER_02]: How you know 35:59.660 --> 36:06.326 [SPEAKER_07]: Because I showed it to Kyle and I was like, do you think this is real and he was like, no, it's like me either, but I'm gonna ask him because there's a chance with this guy that it's a real thing. 36:06.346 --> 36:07.908 [SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely real, I had squirrels. 36:07.928 --> 36:10.590 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my gosh, because it is a giant scorpion. 36:10.610 --> 36:16.115 [SPEAKER_07]: And that's why there's no footage of it because the only, it's ranchers go in with that light in their beds. 36:16.155 --> 36:19.338 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I stayed at a ranch one time, you know, and they turned back the sheets with that light. 36:19.378 --> 36:20.819 [SPEAKER_07]: And I'm like, oh, so what are you doing? 36:20.859 --> 36:22.001 [SPEAKER_07]: So we're looking for scorpions. 36:22.181 --> 36:22.961 [SPEAKER_07]: Are you kidding me? 36:23.282 --> 36:24.102 [SPEAKER_07]: I gotta get in that bed. 36:24.122 --> 36:26.865 [SPEAKER_07]: You're just checking it for scorpions before I get in there and he's like, 36:26.845 --> 36:28.848 [SPEAKER_07]: other little, but that's main as hell. 36:28.868 --> 36:29.769 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely. 36:30.089 --> 36:30.870 [SPEAKER_07]: Holy cow. 36:30.910 --> 36:32.833 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, great job on that video. 36:32.873 --> 36:33.434 [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you. 36:34.115 --> 36:36.398 [SPEAKER_07]: That is, that was incredible. 36:36.518 --> 36:38.821 [SPEAKER_07]: Please go watch it like it is worth your time. 36:38.921 --> 36:40.103 [SPEAKER_02]: Have fun video like it. 36:40.223 --> 36:40.723 [SPEAKER_07]: That's so fun. 36:41.104 --> 36:46.111 [SPEAKER_07]: And I always have the creative urge to create a story, start to finish and have a vision. 36:46.231 --> 36:49.495 [SPEAKER_07]: And do you know how to do any gunslinging tricks? 36:49.711 --> 36:57.199 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess I was in a play, I was in a play in college where I was supposed to, well, what's it called? 36:57.740 --> 37:19.043 [SPEAKER_02]: An 18, I think it's an 18, an 18, 89, a gaunt, it's a Russian gun, and it's like, I think it's seven, I think it's got seven cylinders, and that was like a thing in the play, and I was living in Sam Marcus and working at the Yellow Store, and I mentioned, 37:19.023 --> 37:24.754 [SPEAKER_02]: Mitch of this guy, um, the kind of gun I was looking for, and this is like a rare weird gun. 37:24.995 --> 37:26.077 [SPEAKER_02]: Like no one has this gun. 37:26.177 --> 37:27.380 [SPEAKER_02]: This guy was like, I have one of those. 37:27.781 --> 37:30.666 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, damn, okay, he's like, it's a piece of shit. 37:30.686 --> 37:31.809 [SPEAKER_02]: You can draw fire the hell of it. 37:31.829 --> 37:32.290 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care. 37:32.610 --> 37:35.496 [SPEAKER_02]: So he brought it to be in a paper bag. 37:35.476 --> 37:49.934 [SPEAKER_02]: So I had this thing and then I don't know it was in my early 20s and it wasn't very smart So I was rehearsing this play and it takes a state with this actual pistol and I was just always like with it like spinning So I can spin it and stuff. 37:49.954 --> 37:57.383 [SPEAKER_02]: I was you know, did you know I had about three months that I had a gun the whole the all-the-time Okay, spin in this thing 37:57.363 --> 37:58.004 [SPEAKER_07]: That's incredible. 37:58.024 --> 38:00.949 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I'm going to do the music video that I have in my head. 38:00.989 --> 38:04.255 [SPEAKER_07]: I just wrote a song about the kid I just got the master back. 38:04.916 --> 38:09.043 [SPEAKER_07]: And I have a dream that I do a music video in Las Cruces in Olnosea. 38:09.404 --> 38:11.668 [SPEAKER_07]: And I'm doing some gunsling in Trek. 38:11.688 --> 38:16.155 [SPEAKER_07]: So maybe if you're, I can convince you to come down and pee in my video. 38:16.616 --> 38:23.067 [SPEAKER_07]: We could do some, so I think like, I mean, if you're listening to this, 38:23.300 --> 38:46.810 [SPEAKER_07]: cool way in my girlfriend said to tell you hi so you know if that gives in you any idea they were like hello tell him oh you're a cool-looking man is what I'm trying to say well well thank you is there these new Mexico ladies no they're here in a brown fall oh well they're like telling me said hi well hello like I haven't met him yet so I'm not going to say that but then I'll say a live on the podcast for it to live in eternity 38:46.790 --> 38:52.803 [SPEAKER_07]: So exciting and in your touring everywhere you're gonna be playing everywhere now. 38:53.083 --> 38:53.384 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 38:53.644 --> 38:58.234 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's how that'll happen again, but I have got to cut a wreck. 38:58.274 --> 39:03.465 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sitting on song so damn good that I cannot I have to do it all justice and see put 39:03.783 --> 39:31.528 [SPEAKER_02]: Where are you going to do that project, do you know I'm trying to I got my buddies in Seguine Bluehouse studios so Josh blue is shout out to Josh love very much, but they were running the 10th street house in Austin and that's where him and Eric Burton from the Black Puma's they were roommates so that's like their students so that like Josh is incredible and I've been best friends with him for a long time so that's one possible spot and then I was calling Sonic Ranch. 39:31.508 --> 39:49.686 [SPEAKER_02]: and get an idea from them out near El Paso and just trying to figure, yeah, that's the next month is me being like, what they are and what I'll need and then I'm probably going to go back to Trilinwood to my little studio camper and pre-pro the whole album myself. 39:49.666 --> 39:56.497 [SPEAKER_02]: just to be like, just to get everybody on the same page, whoever involved and make it as efficient as possible. 39:56.577 --> 40:01.966 [SPEAKER_07]: I do that too, but by the time I go in, I know the key, the tempo, the feel, the, the, every thing you got the words you're writing. 40:01.986 --> 40:05.312 [SPEAKER_02]: You got the other way, other way, you know, especially if it's like a, 40:05.292 --> 40:06.273 [SPEAKER_02]: Hot price studio. 40:06.293 --> 40:07.354 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean they'll carve you a lot. 40:07.374 --> 40:09.496 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'll break you over the coals, you know. 40:09.736 --> 40:10.036 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. 40:10.056 --> 40:13.379 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, that's really interesting to know that there's a really great studio just on the road in Sigean. 40:13.859 --> 40:15.541 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm ex-he's just starting it out. 40:15.841 --> 40:16.061 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 40:16.081 --> 40:16.502 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, dude. 40:16.802 --> 40:23.328 [SPEAKER_02]: It's all, I mean he does, he does some digital, but it's all real to real tape and he knows this stuff. 40:23.368 --> 40:27.051 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's almost like he's his mind is from like a different era. 40:27.111 --> 40:28.612 [SPEAKER_02]: He knows this shit so well. 40:28.672 --> 40:30.133 [SPEAKER_02]: It's un, it's insane. 40:30.474 --> 40:31.835 [SPEAKER_07]: And a log bay. 40:31.995 --> 40:32.435 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 40:32.575 --> 40:33.476 [SPEAKER_07]: How fun. 40:33.576 --> 40:33.857 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 40:34.037 --> 40:34.337 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 40:34.317 --> 40:36.040 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, well, that's a lot of what this podcast is. 40:36.080 --> 40:38.084 [SPEAKER_07]: If we talk a lot about producers and studios and stuff. 40:38.104 --> 40:38.965 [SPEAKER_07]: So that's exciting. 40:39.045 --> 40:40.188 [SPEAKER_02]: That we have another one. 40:40.208 --> 40:41.750 [SPEAKER_02]: Bruce is studio, Bruce Robison. 40:41.790 --> 40:41.991 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh yeah. 40:42.211 --> 40:44.495 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so he's been drummers for Bruce forever. 40:45.978 --> 40:46.339 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 40:46.459 --> 40:49.925 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a he's a he's a he's a bad song bitch. 40:49.945 --> 40:50.266 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 40:50.366 --> 40:51.027 [SPEAKER_02]: Josh Blue. 40:51.007 --> 40:55.855 [SPEAKER_07]: I know exactly who he is, and I feel embarrassed that I didn't know about that studio, so that's Oh yeah. 40:55.915 --> 40:56.697 [SPEAKER_07]: That's exciting. 40:56.957 --> 40:57.458 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my gosh. 40:57.478 --> 40:58.720 [SPEAKER_07]: Why can't wait to end you do? 40:58.860 --> 41:03.148 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, you're just, you can build stuff, can you work on your van, can you do all those things? 41:03.168 --> 41:03.869 [SPEAKER_02]: A little bit. 41:03.889 --> 41:05.191 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't, I can do enough. 41:05.331 --> 41:07.415 [SPEAKER_02]: If it gets too, too, for all of them. 41:07.595 --> 41:12.103 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm, I learn, you know, I can learn, I've been learning, you know. 41:12.455 --> 41:22.112 [SPEAKER_07]: We built our house the inside out with our own two hands and I really underestimated how good I would be with a nail gun Like I'm pretty hand, you know, pretty handy. 41:22.132 --> 41:31.409 [SPEAKER_07]: We did all the shipbap all the floor All the I can seal a bathtub with the best of them But it's I think working with your hands. 41:31.549 --> 41:36.859 [SPEAKER_07]: I think a lot of musicians we really like to do stuff like that But for me, it's really good for my brain 41:36.839 --> 41:48.688 [SPEAKER_07]: to do something where I'm not on my phone or I'm not thinking too much about the outside world and creating stuff like that is I think it goes hand in hand I made a lot of musicians who are like us. 41:49.462 --> 41:54.767 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think it's cool to have like, you have your own practice or whatever, like you're do whatever medium. 41:54.787 --> 41:57.269 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna, you know, a painter, your musician, whatever. 41:57.589 --> 42:06.657 [SPEAKER_02]: And then to have like an overarching long term, like artistic thing that you're doing, like building a house, you know, you're getting to just dream up whatever you're wanting and whatever you do out of it. 42:07.077 --> 42:17.807 [SPEAKER_02]: It's good, it's good for, and it makes you learn, it makes you learn, learn trades, like whether you want to or not, like at least get somewhat competent, and I'm, which is really, really great. 42:17.887 --> 42:19.468 [SPEAKER_02]: My thing 42:19.448 --> 42:41.288 [SPEAKER_02]: old timers and west Texas at their retirement age sitting down having coffee with them and they can walk you through their whole home be like we see all that that section's kind of slanted will mean Terry got into the beers about to a clock and then we realize that we you know they can walk you through their whole 42:41.268 --> 43:07.663 [SPEAKER_02]: house and I I just fell in love with that idea of being yeah being an old old guy and living in the bones of or living in something I built in my youth like I'm down for that and the housing market is so ridiculous that I would rather build something out of spite than but by but by something and pay a mortgage absolutely I mean literally a rebellion I'm like we're about I'm like no I'll just live in a van and build a house rather than give y'all one dollar 43:07.846 --> 43:09.268 [SPEAKER_07]: I love that. 43:09.429 --> 43:11.232 [SPEAKER_07]: And it is it is very satisfying. 43:11.272 --> 43:12.634 [SPEAKER_07]: It would be like, okay, we had a good weekend. 43:12.654 --> 43:14.217 [SPEAKER_07]: Let's go buy some boards. 43:14.237 --> 43:15.900 [SPEAKER_07]: That's really a fun thing. 43:16.000 --> 43:19.406 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, very very thankful that you came to be on the podcast. 43:20.047 --> 43:24.454 [SPEAKER_07]: Just lastly, I just want to talk about just because 43:24.434 --> 43:45.852 [SPEAKER_07]: it's very interesting to me Erin and I were talking off the mic about just our versions of success and how it's so strange how it's measured and a lot of times, you know, people especially in my world I feel like if I'm not selling out stadiums that I'm not successful and when I was driving through the Dakotas, 43:45.832 --> 43:52.271 [SPEAKER_07]: listening to these books of crazy horse and seeing the actual place where, you know, the history of America was made. 43:52.351 --> 43:56.784 [SPEAKER_07]: I want to just insane things and getting to go play music and see the world. 43:56.924 --> 43:59.592 [SPEAKER_07]: That to me, that is success. 43:59.933 --> 44:01.056 [SPEAKER_07]: And I 44:01.036 --> 44:20.597 [SPEAKER_07]: I just love the experiences of that, that I get just because I play guitar and write songs, and so to me that is successful and I just wonder if you ever think about that too or have those moments or struggle with any of that or just have anything you want to leave the lovely people who listen to this podcast because it's a lot of artists and it's a lot of people that are 44:20.577 --> 44:32.237 [SPEAKER_07]: constantly reinventing ourselves or trying hard with social media in a world that we don't necessarily, we have old souls or whatever, you know, it's a weird balance in a weird time to be an artist. 44:32.758 --> 44:33.038 [SPEAKER_02]: It is. 44:33.359 --> 44:41.432 [SPEAKER_02]: One thing people don't need to remember, those big shows, a lot of times it doesn't even have anything to do with your talent, this damn gatekeeping, all over the place in that in the music industry. 44:41.813 --> 44:43.716 [SPEAKER_02]: So you can't even really worry about it. 44:43.882 --> 44:48.108 [SPEAKER_02]: That happens, you know, you don't even really have control if that happens or not. 44:48.169 --> 44:55.199 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the real thing is like, uh, I mean, people have been doing this stuff for eons, making song and that kind of thing. 44:55.219 --> 45:00.788 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you can connect with community and carve out your own, I mean, we're at age now, where you can carve out your own. 45:00.828 --> 45:01.829 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's kind of where I'm at. 45:01.929 --> 45:03.272 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I don't know. 45:03.432 --> 45:04.253 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to, 45:05.043 --> 45:13.754 [SPEAKER_02]: play around, figure out where it hits, and then I'm just going to go back and carve out places I want to see again and just do that over and out. 45:13.774 --> 45:21.124 [SPEAKER_02]: And with the internet, you have control certain controls that before it was just, they owned the studios and they owned the radio waves. 45:21.164 --> 45:22.366 [SPEAKER_02]: There ain't shit you can do about it. 45:23.046 --> 45:28.674 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, it's the game was just totally up to you on how to kind of operate with it, you know. 45:28.754 --> 45:33.480 [SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, I mean, I just want to be 45:33.460 --> 46:00.025 [SPEAKER_07]: that'd be pretty pretty dope and that's a like good fit and good food yeah yeah good wine so that would be that's the dream and Colway music is your Instagram handle is that and you have records all all over um everywhere you listen I checked y'all can go check those out I love Bill Street what a fun song yeah yeah I looked at with me and Colin Colby who was 46:00.005 --> 46:05.873 [SPEAKER_02]: Charlie Crockett's musical director and his base player for for a long time. 46:05.893 --> 46:09.859 [SPEAKER_07]: That's so sounded like a Charlie Crockett themed thing. 46:09.879 --> 46:12.642 [SPEAKER_07]: I do it so fun and okay, awesome. 46:12.662 --> 46:21.895 [SPEAKER_02]: So me and yeah, mean Colin Cobra that shout out to Cobra, let everybody um yeah, that's one of the only songs of her Cobra with anybody but 46:22.128 --> 46:22.589 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I'm not. 46:22.649 --> 46:24.991 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't call it a lot either, but that's a lot more. 46:25.372 --> 46:27.474 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it gets you. 46:27.494 --> 46:36.584 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like working with him is just getting me out of like pattern, you know, somebody else has a their own pattern that you're, if you like collide those two things, you can make something interesting, so. 46:36.804 --> 46:38.707 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, if you're interested, we should try that sometime. 46:38.747 --> 46:39.568 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, why not? 46:39.588 --> 46:40.388 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd love, I'd love to. 46:40.408 --> 46:45.334 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm, I'm open to it more, like, more, more, more, it'd be fun. 46:45.432 --> 46:49.080 [SPEAKER_07]: you have a great great voice incredible style really cool dude. 46:49.120 --> 46:51.205 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm so glad we got to touch it. 46:51.225 --> 46:52.027 [SPEAKER_02]: And they gave me two. 46:52.168 --> 46:54.914 [SPEAKER_07]: They've travels in Gertrude, what's her name? 46:55.676 --> 46:56.217 [SPEAKER_02]: Georgina. 46:56.237 --> 46:58.041 [SPEAKER_02]: Georgina, my child, I'll fill you Jones. 46:58.865 --> 47:03.955 [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people are unaware that George Jones from Beaumont had a sister, right? 47:04.355 --> 47:12.831 [SPEAKER_02]: So George Jones went to Nashville, be a country singer, his sister, Georgina, she moved to New Orleans and she was apparently this incredible blue singer. 47:13.613 --> 47:17.380 [SPEAKER_02]: And she got mixed in with 47:17.360 --> 47:30.157 [SPEAKER_02]: uh drugs and and kind of a darker side of things and uh got mixed in with the voodoo and a witch cast a spell on her and turned her into a 2001 gray Dodge Ram van and I bought her. 47:30.558 --> 47:34.924 [SPEAKER_02]: So I drive around and George Jones is uh sister they got turned into a van. 47:35.565 --> 47:36.406 [SPEAKER_07]: I love this. 47:36.466 --> 47:38.749 [SPEAKER_07]: That's a perfect way in this podcast everybody. 47:38.909 --> 47:40.251 [SPEAKER_07]: Colwayne you are a gem. 47:40.311 --> 47:41.593 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm so glad we met. 47:41.833 --> 47:43.636 [SPEAKER_07]: Stay away from scorpions or don't. 47:43.656 --> 47:44.677 [SPEAKER_07]: Yep absolutely. 47:44.757 --> 47:45.238 [SPEAKER_07]: Thanks friend. 47:45.578 --> 47:45.959 [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you. 47:46.740 --> 47:46.860 [UNKNOWN]: Adios. 47:48.545 --> 48:13.455 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm running away all night and I won't stop till light I'm running away all night and I won't stop till light I'm running away all night and I won't stop till light 48:15.157 --> 48:22.517 [SPEAKER_00]: From the Texas Island and I'm jamming here to blow in the smoke