[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Beyond the gas lit streets of Ed Warden, London, tucked away in the shadowed corners of the National Laboratory of Psychical Research, one man stood at the intersection of science and the supernatural.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one as a self-styled ghost hunter, he was a figure as polarizing as the phenomena he chased, a master of deception, who dedicated his life to unmasking the fraudulent, while desperately seeking the one miracle he couldn't debunk.
[SPEAKER_01]: From the infamous Talking Mungus of the Island Man to the bone-chilling corridors of Borley-Rectory, the most haunted house in England, he brought the precision of a clock maker and the flair of a showman to the Saiyan's room.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't just tell ghost stories, he measured them with infrared cameras, mercury switches and sealed chambers, he attempted to trap the ethereal in the nets of the material world.
[SPEAKER_01]: was he a brilliant pioneer of pericycology or sophisticated charlatan who knew exactly how to manipulate the media and the spirits alike?
[SPEAKER_01]: This case filed join the theorists as we step behind the velvet curtain and into the laboratory of the legendary Harry Bryce.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, welcome to Alien theorists theorizing and I'm bright.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so I'm 10.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't mind you Today we're talking about fucking for what Harry P. Talk about cream Yeah, Harry price Dude actually into this guy didn't realize he is based through the reason why we all hunt ghosts Oh, yeah, the G fucking old G the ghost hunter This is it's very much so he is the ghost buster
[SPEAKER_02]: the original Buster.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's so funny, because his early work, this guy's fucking huge, been just debunking, and then he's like, yeah, maybe there's some cool stuff to like, fuck you!
[SPEAKER_03]: There is no stuff!
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, holy shit, what a switch up on this guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very deep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, P is a Harry price.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, P is from now on, for less than episodes, this Harry price for people from here on, we'll refer to as Harry P.
[SPEAKER_02]: is an interesting figure and I think we've, we've actually, we've mentioned them because we definitely talked about, you know, Steve Jeff is talking moogos.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he's featured and Jeff is talking moogos.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we have talked about him before and I'm glad that we got to finally kind of, comes full circle.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's a very polarizing, polarizing figure in ghost hunting
[SPEAKER_02]: father of modern ghost hunting uh he's O.G.
[SPEAKER_02]: Zach Bagans being yeah he's not yeah everybody thinks that's egg bagans and the taps guys from ghost adventures and it's very cute it's hey P you know he was doing it before it was cool or made it cool I guess he could say
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but there's other, there's other people on the other side that think he was a Charlotton.
[SPEAKER_02]: They think that he is very much like just a guy who did anything to to get into the headlines.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, a perpetrator of general flammary in Bimbus lift, you know, the stem flammary.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good question.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are accusations that like the stuff he investigated, he helped, you know, exaggerate, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's there's there there are allegations from from credible organizations that are you know some say rival organizations I don't think so
[SPEAKER_02]: Harry Price is very much a man who is steeped in these kinds of things where it's like there's like professional rivalries in the the ghost hunting community at that time and which is it's an interesting thing and we'll get to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's really undeniable to about his impact on the kind of the paranormal and vestigatory.
[SPEAKER_02]: scene and where where a lot of this stuff comes from like he has he has a like a permanent staple in the what is it is he has the the Harry price library of magical literature.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, he's the founder of the magic circle.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not the founder of the magic circle.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was the founding member of the magic circle.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's been around since 1905.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was a prominent member of the magic circle.
[SPEAKER_03]: And in the preservation of magic, like this crazy thing is this guy love that shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he loves it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like yeah, he's claimed to fame early on is like debunking this stuff being like that's the whole thing man It's like yeah, he wants it to be real.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's so mad at the people that fucking you know Take away from it by having these fucking silly hoaxes and bullshit
[SPEAKER_02]: are he or he genuinely believes in these things and they do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was like the catch up predator.
[SPEAKER_03]: But with fuckers hands and a fucking magic.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was so sick.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm sick.
[SPEAKER_03]: Commoditions are coming in.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he does have a three or 13 year old.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here comes Harry B.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have to see.
[SPEAKER_02]: The, I see you've been channeling the spirit of a 13 year old girl.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know what you're talking about, buddy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I was mentioning before, he has one of the, like, his, his organization that he founded, that was a society for a paranormal, no, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry, the national laboratory of, of cyclical research.
[SPEAKER_02]: He, like, over the, his tenure of, like, overseeing that organization, like the,
[SPEAKER_02]: they accumulated like over 13,000 additions and a lot of them are going to be like first editions of just like remarkable and unique books and pamphlets that were devoted all to things like you know like ghost medium ship esotericism like all of these books that you wouldn't find anywhere and like they have like they're permanently I think in like the library of London I think well it's basically it's uh their library is actually Harry Potter
[SPEAKER_04]: Where was the girl who wrote the book?
[SPEAKER_04]: She got her inspiration for that fucking That library straight from them.
[SPEAKER_04]: So when you're thinking of a library, it's got like twisty Twisty shells and like a roll a sliding ladder to go around the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm pretty sure that's true.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's what it looks like and his all of these other bound books some of them are actually in human flesh Human skin neck or namacon for sure in there somewhere dry human skin definitely But he was definitely in the since he was around like in the 1920s like they had the first like broadcast TV broadcasts kind of just discussing this stuff and bringing
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... you know ghost hunting and uh... paranormal investigations to the masses uh... essentially uh... first broadcast experiment of fire walking uh... first life broadcast from an actual but belief to be haunted house uh... you know the first ghost hunter goes to venture like is is Harry price uh... he was born January 17th 1881 in London, England uh... he most of his early life right in the time of jack the ripper
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't feel like it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jack's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is this his he jacked the ripper?
[SPEAKER_02]: A scene jacked the ripper.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why don't I do?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a good one in that time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, and you're going to die in a lot of 1888.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's fit in my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he's been, he
[SPEAKER_04]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wait, we know who it is?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they know.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've tracked down, they've tracked it down through like 23 in me.
[SPEAKER_00]: They pulled the DNA and was able to go back and have some, I could've gotten, like, how did they get the DNA from somewhere from 1880?
[SPEAKER_04]: Dude, someone just fucking...
[SPEAKER_00]: It was something that it was an artifact that they had in the museum or whoever was keeping a whole artifact.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they took the, it was some type of woman's gown and they always assumed that it was the victims blood, but when they, when they looked at it, it had both the victim and a male's fucking blood in it and they were able to track that blood to somebody who was close to the case and all this shit.
[SPEAKER_04]: So Jack the Ripper.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have K-Listen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I should name it this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I read this fucking article for years.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe so.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I believe you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's good enough for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've solved Jack the Ripper.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's not Harry price.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's nice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Most of his early life I think is fairly unremarkable grew up and grew up with a well-to-do family and I guess we're considered like the suburbs of London at that time.
[SPEAKER_02]: He completed his, you know, went to a lot of fairly influential schools and he completed his education at Goldsmith's College.
[SPEAKER_02]: And while he was studying how easy, how easy do you think school was back then?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if we were to time travel back,
[SPEAKER_04]: way harder to do you think way harder to get fucking beat by your teacher even school from like in the sixties was way harder now they just let kids pass like you don't have to do any work they push you through because it's racist if you fail us nobody fails anymore it's not a thing yeah sure
[SPEAKER_02]: there's a lot is like no standard and there would be no standard learning really back then I guess they just be whatever that people feel if you're dumb that you're not gonna pass I suppose You do math or making use of fucking an abacus?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, you're learning.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're learning calculus on a freaking long form by hand everything
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, Harry prices might have been in my club.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a, he was a chemistry in photography and electrical and mechanical engineering nerd.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess like that's a super fucker because like if you're not wealthy this point time, you're working at the age of fucking like 12.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not studying the art.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, like get a trade and Harry P thought I guess he he has like a biography that he wrote himself and then he he said that kind of his interest in the the paranormal and the supernatural I guess he said probably was was set off by his encounter of the the Great Sequel who was a I guess like it was when it was 15
[SPEAKER_02]: I, yeah, when he was the great sequel, I guess was a performer and entertainer.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was traveling with the traveling circus.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the airy price.
[SPEAKER_02]: So just get some close-up card magic and he's like, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's fucking humiliated.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just fainted.
[SPEAKER_00]: It came off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sometime around 18.
[SPEAKER_02]: Got your names.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: Harry thought that at least he believed that the great sequel was responsible for curing his toothache that he had at the time and that became that began his life-long obsession with the paranormal magic and esoteric arts, I said to say, so
[SPEAKER_02]: he did, he married into wealth, I think his wife was, his wife's family was fairly nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: And his father died, when his father died, when his father died, he inherited the family business.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of people say, this is why, when he was kind of well off at this point, he had the ability to go in time and look at these things, the leisure to kind of,
[SPEAKER_03]: go into the passion project.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, again, early on, he was just debunking.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, he was just like, right, researching and then being like, this is fake.
[SPEAKER_03]: He, like, yeah, he was basically ruined.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was like, pen and teller.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, he's just telling everyone the secrets.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't actually chopper and have to.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was like, what the heck?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he definitely got involved even with the debunking because he was passionate about it to begin with me like he's as a kid He's passionate about fucking magic and he became well he became like a fairly a depth like Contrary like you became a real magician like he's a sorcerer
[SPEAKER_02]: we mentioned before he was he was at least qualified enough to join the magic circle which is an actual organization like an actual organization of magicians that had been in like founded and landed in 1905 and it was designed to promote the art of magic like that's And he said secrets it said that he wanted to join that because he wanted to learn like every trick he could like every slide a hand trick and know everything he was looking for so when he
[SPEAKER_04]: Went to look at some of these fucking fraudsters.
[SPEAKER_04]: He'd be like, well, I mean, that's how they did because I'm magnet under the table.
[SPEAKER_04]: He pushed the Ouija board around Which next Halloween.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna try that actually.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's good idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and it looks like again, it's when you're looking this case.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to look at it from the like perspective of I think too many people look at it as this guy is like
[SPEAKER_03]: like a poop pooper and it's like no this guy was so passionate about it here and I was like it parallels us in a lot of ways where you will like you love UFO cases with the same you look into UFO cases you start and you're like kale a lot of these are fucking bullshit once you start and you're like there are some real jams that you're like it doesn't make sense it doesn't add up
[SPEAKER_03]: but a lot of it, the slog and between is just, you're like, no, this is too similar, it doesn't make sense, doesn't add up.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's kind of the same in that way, where he's like, looking, he wants to find real magic, which is what I find happens to later in his life, so baffling, that the second, he's like, hey, I found some close stuff, fuck, you did it!
[SPEAKER_03]: You brought me shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, even though he's a badger certain group of followers, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's built the fucking around he's bunking and then yes, it's like Bob Dylan suddenly fucking going from acoustic to plug-in in playing electric You got who'd off the fucking stage man.
[SPEAKER_02]: And don't do that
[SPEAKER_02]: At least with a magic circle, like he was, yeah, his passion kind of pushed him into what they had the, the occult committee, which they had formed actually in that organization, which was specifically formed to investigate and debunk supernatural claims because, you know, around the 1920s, what's big around then we've talked about it before, like this is the big spiritualism boom, so everybody's, you know, everybody's a medium, everybody's conjuring up, you know, ancient ferros and, you know, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: But Harry was unique in that committee, because unlike a lot of his fellows, he would actually endorse mediums, spew like spiritual mediums, who he thought were actually genuine.
[SPEAKER_02]: That kind of cross, you know, checked off all his bullshit stuff and he was like, yeah, this guy is actually,
[SPEAKER_02]: legit like this guy's is probably actually signing it's guys actually is kidding with the dead or I just don't know how he's doing it and that that's you know it's that's what it came down to all the time that's the one thing like when top breed and talks about that big shift that near you know near the and he becomes a believer like throw everything I read it it's
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounded like he was definitely like the ones that he couldn't explain, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: He was never, there's definitely something here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, I can't explain what's going on, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's like he's not really, he knows something's not right.
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't necessarily believe it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's saying, I can't explain why, really?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how they're doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, to speak of some of his, you know, more polarizing work, I guess he got, he got involved with the, the society of, of psychological research, which this actually, this organization, which was founded 1882 by a bunch of Cambridge scholars, a bunch of, you know, smarty dudes.
[SPEAKER_02]: was the first serious organization to actually examine the paranormal using scientific methods.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, back when the scientific method was coming into its own, you're like, okay, we can do a lot of testable science now.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can use a lot of the tools and things that we have developed.
[SPEAKER_02]: to analyze these claims that have always been around, you know, since the beginning of human history, you know, it's very, what it has been, augury and all those kinds of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's what they were scientists, legit scientists.
[SPEAKER_02]: And to some people, that would have been considered, you know, at least back then, it can be seen as like a bit of a weakness because they would be going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: they would take forever to do their investigations.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were very slow, they were very cautious, and this was their general approach to it, and they would like to write these incredibly dry, incredibly long analyses of their investigations, and then they would just like to say.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're taking it serious, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: They weren't, they were trying to write it as serious as possible.
[SPEAKER_03]: They weren't pandering.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not writing it to sensationalize, or anything they're trying to take.
[SPEAKER_03]: Take a subject that they're passionate about and try to be as serious and professional about it as they can Yeah, so I'm publishing like academic papers Yes, and they're doing that so people take them seriously like it's a lot of like This is it's funny because a lot of things that you see now you that's a lot of criticism of like oh, it's For TV and that's why it's never like if you it's just really you would study these things and it's like but this guy was doing that and they're like this is fucking boring
[SPEAKER_03]: Where's the jump scares?
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was very much what Price came in with the flashiness and the immediate and some people would say the media driven when he came in and he started kind of coming into his own while he was involved with the society of psychological research.
[SPEAKER_02]: He would
[SPEAKER_02]: be like we need like we need to get stuff out there we need to get people excited we need people coming in here we need we can't just like write these really long papers like he would take out ads and stuff in the in the daily mirror um and it's like we need to have it in the headlines by Tuesday morning and then this is going to get it you know that'll get us more attention then we'll get us more uh
[SPEAKER_03]: money to look at these things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess we're funny to actually look at this and get people involved in it and get everybody to really see what we're actually doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this this definitely formed a skism between him and a lot of the the kind of I guess they saw him is kind of like nouveau reach when he came in because he wasn't dumb.
[SPEAKER_02]: Harry prices not dumb.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he wasn't he wasn't a guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was educated.
[SPEAKER_00]: He went through.
[SPEAKER_02]: you know how he grew up he was affluent he was able to go to school and yeah he had knowledge of these these testing methods like he you know he's educated in chemistry in electrical and mechanical engineering he knew his ways around the tools and all of these things and um
[SPEAKER_02]: And they very much saw a lot of these guys were kind of like old money and they kind of came in and being like, you know, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro,
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so to and to such extent that, you know, eventually it's like, they either forced out or, you know, just, I guess, Harriet left and he formed his own.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, well, okay, fine, I'm going to make my own.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, my own research in blackjack and hookers, like, you know, the national laboratory of psychical research came around.
[SPEAKER_02]: And even though it's the national laboratory of psychical research, which sounds awesome, it's not like it wasn't an official like government office, even so it's the national laboratory, like it wasn't a thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just kind of hairy, just friendly now, at the basement somewhere in SouthCatsington.
[SPEAKER_02]: and he filled it with a bunch of, you know, a bunch of, they got some laboratory presents and equipment and stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's been encourages, or we're all greeting starts from all start.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a lot of historians about whoever pinnions about Harry Price, who felt like this was his kind of way to flex on the SPR, the Society of Psychological Research, and he kind of built his own little.
[SPEAKER_02]: He felt like they were under-equipped, actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he was like, we're not implementing all of the cool shit that we were making right now, which is a lot of it was probably like electrical electrical.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, electrical panels and like we've got all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he has a little bit of private wealth now, too So it's like he can kind of bankroll this project probably better than the last society
[SPEAKER_03]: was, you know, money, especially if he, if he had to answer to like a comedian or something about where money should go and he's like, too much fucking red tape in the ghost hunting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't catch his dance.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're a loose cannon, you're a loose cannon, every price, you know, Harry prices definitely lose cannon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he had a lot of cool toys, actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: He and F in your badge.
[SPEAKER_02]: He made a lot of cool stuff with his old shaker of holes.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're telling him to put your crucifix on the desk on your way and you're filled with the whole of the water.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was probably well versed in the old ways of, you know, those kinds of spiritual mediumship and esotericism.
[SPEAKER_02]: but he also had a lot of cool new gear which is very ghostbuster ask that he that he kind of invented himself or just like he utilized a lot of like you know what would have been like cutting edge tech at the time he had one thing called the couple of different like his gear was pretty cool he had a thing called the telekinetic scope that he used which was like
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess it would have been like the proto, what is it the ghost box that they use the hunting?
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was basically a telegraph key, the little thing that you did it, like that thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it would be that when it was depressed, it would turn a red light on.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then so, but what did he do?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is he put a glass dome on top of it and covered the key?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, like, you know, nothing could touch it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, so nobody touched this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then so if somebody was, somebody claimed psychic powers, you're like, okay, make that.
[SPEAKER_02]: to press the button.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, make that press the button, you know, as like original, or you know, you take it to a haunted house and you ask questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, it's two beeps for a yes and one beep for now or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you could use it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's one of the things that he developed himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: He had a thing called an electrical control system where it was like, if you had like a medium,
[SPEAKER_02]: and you had to say on circle, every person on the circle had to sit on these special pads or hold these metal contacts so that anybody who broke the circuit by moving their hand or anything like that, because a lot of times when you do these sances, the fraud, the frauds, a lot of times they'll move their feet or something to make it a noise or something like that, and hopefully.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or, like, tail like the wings of the pre-record voices plays on a soundtrack while you're, or, like, they're, like, trying to get, like, you won't let it go away.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't believe it was real.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was real.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was real.
[SPEAKER_02]: Harry Price would have been like, that's real.
[SPEAKER_02]: That really is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, it was so good at a point that I actually thought, I was like, wait, it sounded so good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, did we actually do that?
[SPEAKER_03]: I knew.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember it didn't do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Specifically, Sam.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never knew.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just pressed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you said, what's that button?
[SPEAKER_03]: You push it with your pinky.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then when this is fucked with Andrew.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we didn't have electrical control system, so it didn't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_03]: All-time, probably still all-time, number one prank.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been part of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very hurtful.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can understand why people give advantage of someone who trusts you wholeheartedly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know what this tries to be done when there's pod chores and you you negate to help with your the pod chores Oh, yeah, that was that because I had the fucking take care of my child No excuse You've got to be around You got to be here at seven a.m. You're milking it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can I can I can I can I don't know nothing.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: We all get kids now Yeah, we know you were making a hence why do we all get kids and now we don't have pod weeks anymore
[SPEAKER_00]: I could have a pot week.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you lived here.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you lived here.
[SPEAKER_04]: I could have a pot week.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got a pot week right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have a pot week every week.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just not with you guys.
[SPEAKER_04]: She was having shows in here a week, Lady Pod, not very long, but those fucking bitches are long gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: They just started fighting, the infightings that we got them.
[SPEAKER_04]: One girl fucking hand pecked everyone to death, and now she does a show with her husband and staff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're classic, the classic group Lady Podcast arc.
[SPEAKER_04]: Started up strong, slowly pecked each other's death.
[SPEAKER_03]: No one can take it and now she's with all of us, and they probably all hate each other.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we're a rekindling experiment, which is a podcast, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, it's endless.
[SPEAKER_04]: I live like a fucking, like a reality show where the guy was having a fair with a secretary.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a whole fucking thing, dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, maybe you're dead on the pod?
[SPEAKER_04]: I found the scenes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I know she was she did Eric because it's a whole they did a whole episode of their marriage reconnally.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was a whole bucket thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Anyways.
[SPEAKER_03]: The classic hot mom.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to fair.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Instead of doing ghost hunting, they had a marriage reconnally and experiment.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They should have.
[SPEAKER_00]: They should have tried to rekindle their relationship while ghost hunting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that would 100% that would award you know what imagine they went to a haunted house and Holy scared she kind of falls back into his arms.
[SPEAKER_03]: I protect you, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a way better.
[SPEAKER_03]: 100% Then just sitting across from each other.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean like so we're gonna talk about you cheat and then put it out there for everybody that sounds like a good time
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, Harry price had all the toys for for ghosting and a lot of setups that they had at their, I was watching like the interview that they had with them for like 1922 or something and like there's like the interview and like they showed like his little laboratory with all of their little setups and equipment's a lot of a ton of like voice recording gear they had like you know for.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, that time it was cutting edge, but like, you know, a dick to phone, they had a bunch of, you know, advanced photography and lighting mechanisms, a lot of little clever setups that they would do, you know, kind of.
[SPEAKER_02]: for when they would have seances and they'd have like a medium that had, you know, legit claims.
[SPEAKER_02]: They'd be like, hey, come over to our, you know, our set up and test your test for shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's legit.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's legit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like when you look at all the stuff they were doing, basically they were doing like, they did the prototype for like every ghost hunt and ghost hunt show.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like uses basically all the stuff that these guys were using and trying to use.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's, and there's some that are like, there was like one simple one that was like, wait, why don't we fucking go sinners use that shit?
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, um, and we'll talk about Borley Reckery in a minute, but it's like one of the things that they would do when they would do a ghost investigations or haunting investigations, they had like a whole kit, um, but one of the things that they have is like, they would just use like chalk, they would take chalk and they would like, they would just draw the outlines of like where objects were, and
[SPEAKER_02]: at night to see if they moved and I was like damn, that's actually pre-sword.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, dude, if you got a poltergeist and you're like, okay, draw, you know, just draw a chalk out the outlines of all the attributes like both of everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then if it moves, then you know, oh, you got to fuck the pat.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to fuck the pat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something's going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was like that was so good.
[SPEAKER_03]: The other one that I was like, I never see enough is the fucking steel tape and wax sealed the door.
[SPEAKER_03]: They would seal rooms.
[SPEAKER_03]: They'll be like, oh, the wax seal rooms and they'll be like, all right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, if the door opens We we know someone fucking open the door.
[SPEAKER_03]: No one opened the door after we seal it and like so they just fucking like wax seal all the like I was like that's fucking Why don't they do that and then cuz in that to a fact of that one's a great one because you like haunted house perfect We're gonna take it over.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're just gonna whack first off
[SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna wax you every fucking door and then we're gonna come back in like a week and just check Right versus like first of all, I feel attacked large dwex Yeah, and they were they used stuff like you know, starch and graphite powder to dust for fingerprints and things like this and the often they found that the You know a lot of the fingerprints often matched the mediums own fingerprints
[SPEAKER_02]: Why does this, why does this, the fingerprints of this girl who you claimed died in the 14th century has the same fingerprints you do?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would've got a way with the two of us for all your fucking money and evidence-based research.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, along with his career, like we can't, we'll probably get into it in a second fight.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we might just want to take a break.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then short beer break.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of the famous, the more, we'll be back in the highlights of screen and stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, we'll be right back.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, Harry Price definitely had some hits, like a lot of his, a lot of his experiments were always kind of because he was such a showman.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot of his experiments like it had just just the wildest things that you're just like, damn, like what the fuck.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of them was he did one, I guess, to go through some of his highlights of his career.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you had one called, I thought was especially kind of fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: The, the broken experiment in 1932.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, this one area actually traveled to Brock and Mountain in Germany and he claimed that he had found an ancient manuscript that described a, I guess, what is called a Blocksburg Trist and it was a ritual where you would turn a goat into a man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I thought it was a man into a goat, but by the Roman into a,
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's going to me because I want to see me the way the legends are going to come.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've found a way to turn the government into a man into a man.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, Harry, I've heard you've just got a story of goals I've been holding.
[SPEAKER_03]: Behold my assistant.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've heard a story of goals.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've heard, I've heard, I've heard who we've been definitely talked about going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go scream, go get the real fucking haunted legend.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can goats are a haunted legend like it's a mother fucker probably be this shit you make do you probably had caught up with a bastard he dropped you instantly yeah because he used to be a guy and now he's mad that he's a goat there's a goat man with me so funny we used you just spook him in he fucking it's a poor thing just headbutts you in the sternum
[SPEAKER_02]: So Harry had insisted that he had found this spell and he was going to follow it out to the letter.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, even to the part where it said, you need a virgin goat, which I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you check?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, which is nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go on.
[SPEAKER_02]: You also need a pure man in.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, what is it there?
[SPEAKER_03]: The goatheim and is still intact.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is for a three-figure stretching your erectivity yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why that way too funny is, you need a virgin goat.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you get fucking figured out of virgin goat?
[SPEAKER_04]: I guess I could have been a male, like, what do you ask if it's a male goat?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, hey, you even.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know how you to figure it out, don't know how you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this ointment, the south on the goat just like it's sitting there and I guess like they would throw the sheet over the goat because I think I saw a video that it's like he would throw the sheet over the goat and split it in a man That's why it didn't work
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but it was a fairly, it was like, I guess it was a fairly big-to-do because everybody's supposed to know that time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and you had like 70 international journalists at this event that he has got there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, and, um, you know, it's just a state of go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go, state of go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it, or a sayator.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is just a chain of sayators.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not even a half way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not even a half way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sator just brings it to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Senators are centrist half horse, sayators have gold.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, who fucked the goat?
[SPEAKER_03]: Who fucked a goat?
[SPEAKER_03]: But I guess it's good even if I was a boy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was gonna work.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was gonna work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone fucked a goat.
[SPEAKER_02]: To Harry, this was a success.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it didn't turn into a man being that his whole thing was like science requires testing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can have these magic spells and it's like, you have to have time to go home.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go and hide me.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, that's science, dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, we had a fucking guy here in Vernon recently because he grabbed a screw, it's too long, it was like a forrest Dude, dude, he was fucking over this guy, it's fucking over this dude Dude, legit guy in Vernon, British Columbia gets caught on fucking Dude, the worst part is he's doing 4 play with the worst, he's like walking in like 10 minutes And then it's like the next shot, you see him with the stool and then him standing behind him
[SPEAKER_03]: He's actually assaulting my words.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just, and now this is, this is pre-meditated.
[SPEAKER_00]: The guy brought his own stool, dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's been there.
[SPEAKER_00]: He knows what he's doing, man.
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't look it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's a real story.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's fucking wild.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was fucking, he's sick, Ocer out there.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why it's hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: When you get yourself a fucking virgin goat, you gotta protect it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You gotta make sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, he busted a number of what is it that goes for Tiger first.
[SPEAKER_02]: What the Western makes me feel good.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the end the song.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's about the goat.
[SPEAKER_02]: If he's about no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Think of it's end the ghost.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it wasn't ghost.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's goat busters.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not goat busters.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are they busting?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll leave that up to your imagination.
[SPEAKER_02]: You take that wherever you want to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess he, a number of, you know, ghosts for Taggers are claim votes for Taggers, which was it spirit for Tagger V, which really big back then, you know, Skull Lion, our friend of the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was not the first to invent spirit for Tagger V. A lot back then, it was like, you know, people would sit for photos and some people would claim that, oh, I could take photos of my special camera and then we can have these spirits, you want to see it to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to see a ghost one of those cameras just like twisted sideways where you're taking a fucking picture.
[SPEAKER_02]: I should have been there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a fucking ghost.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, there were a couple of agents.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he caught a bunch of those or at least I think the most prominent one I can't remember exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember the name of the the ghost or tag were.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but he had been famous for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he busted him by basically just switching out the film.
[SPEAKER_02]: the film like switching out the the the panels that they used for the thing because he figured out that they were they're pre-exposed you know to whatever he was he was literally just figuring out how their people were hoaxing like that's yeah I mean he was like figure out the magic tricks he's like I said this before and he'd boom and then nail with it and then it's like yeah you're like there was talking him maybe being he dabbled a bit in the slight ahead stuff back in the day right like that's like we didn't really talk about that but he
[SPEAKER_00]: he was a magician and learned it all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm wondering will this fancy fucking SPR or the society for psychological research like is this a Frank fucking Who is his name Frank Abernathy like catch me if you can situation where they fucking bust them and they're like you're so fucking good We got to recruit you the busiest fucking guys, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And who's better to bust them, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's literally what they did was the CIA gave the dude a job, like those computer hackers who bust into, like, funny things just doesn't get, like, bugged you, like, the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's grossly exaggerating.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just like Wolf and Wall Street, too, apparently.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think, I think Harry was, yeah, he was a priest a digitator.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he was, he was good with magic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he'd do the tricks, like he had studied magic.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was in the rest of the digital, the magic circle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he knew other magicians and their tricks.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, so he was aware of these things and how to fool people and how easy it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm sure the magic circle had people like what is it mentalism, like those mentalist tricks and a lot of those things are all kind of like just manipulate people and doing these things.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he was aware of a lot of the tricks that they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And dealing with antiquities, he probably had because a lot of it was like, was it the little boxes like a lot of times they'd have these in one interview that that one interview I watched with that me showed like this box.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like a magic box.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you'd like you would put something in
[SPEAKER_02]: or the medium would put something in there during the sayons and be like, okay, you know, we're going to sum up the spirits, whatever, I'm going to lock this box and we're going to put it in the middle of the table, nobody can touch it or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to turn lights off and then they turn lights back on after they do the sayons and they open the box.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was locked the whole time, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: When he takes the box, like he shows, he's like, no, no, there's like this type of box, like you can take out a little pin here, which looks like an actual like, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: just holding part of the box, he pulled a pin out and then you can actually open the box and then you put it back down, you'll be pushed to pin back in and it looks like it's locked again.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we had a lot of those kinds of tricks and those like props and stuff that he'd be like, he's like, I know how these work.
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, because I am a magician.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what is it, Randy?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like James Randy the guy Randy the magnificent or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he was the original.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was also a magician.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was known for debunking and stuff like that very similar.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's like, yeah, he was.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like that kind of guy just going around and trying his best I think to just you know weed out I think to him He was trying to find like he wanted he wanted to find legit stories which makes his next like venture into the the barley
[SPEAKER_03]: Refactory.
[SPEAKER_00]: Refactory.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like so interesting to me because the the directory was a large Victorian Gothic revival house in Borley, Essex, England built in 1863 and basically long history of like all the tenants and everyone lived here seeing like apparitions, ghosts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, it's it's fucking hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the original, the original place,
[SPEAKER_00]: matter the uh... would say the word again then directory directory which is is basically the house for the priest which is like on the property with with the that's why i'm getting a different vibe from that nags guess yeah so yeah flukin
[SPEAKER_00]: But, uh, so yeah, the original one ended up getting torn down and they rebuilt this elaborate like Caslan and ever since that they disturbed the earth and the sink burnt down, this is when they started having these encounters.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, it's not just people have been seeing encounter, but there's like, I mean, there's a tale that goes along with this fucking place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Spooky tale.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, why not?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy, but allegedly it's a tale of a secret fair.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, shit, so get him on a podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like so apparently a monk and a nun, which obviously, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you can't get to get a doctor nurse for the cell of the sea, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's forbidden love.
[SPEAKER_00]: They ended up getting into the fancy and each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: They'd meet at night, communicated through hidden messages and fucking all this, you know, sexy spooky shit, and had plans of running way together.
[SPEAKER_00]: According to the story, the monk arranged for a horse-drawn carriage to take them away from borely, but the plans obviously were foiled.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were captured by the local church authorities, the punishment for their fucking sins.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, this monk he was executed by hanging, and the nun allegedly was sealed alive inside the walls of the covenant as punishment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, okay, I feel like that's way worse than hanging Like what should they just both he hangs Yeah, it's huge But it which kicks in bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure brains got a little bit about the phantom none, but that's kind of you know I think that's where in the majority of those sightings come from
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, there's just like, there's so much like every, like, different reverend, reverend, guy Eric Smith, they experienced poltergeist activity of stones being thrown at them, keys vanishing, message on their mirror saying, Mary Ann, please help.
[SPEAKER_03]: get, uh, which referred to a, uh, ladder resident, I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and the people were like, people would like to mess with family that Smith family, uh, part of that was they found a human skull wrapped in a brown paper bag while they were cleaning that place out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like before that, uh, Henry Bull, uh,
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll live there.
[SPEAKER_03]: You had 14 kids and they would be like the phantom none would walk the grounds and like freak the fuck out of the kids And they'd see shadowy figures and unexplained footprints and bells ringing all the time like fucking vekna Feel like this guy's probably just trying to scare his kids to death because Fourteen kids they had 14 kids because you know at least six of them are nine
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but if all 14 or still had your bads, then you got to do something yourself.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to take you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you got to take that point.
[SPEAKER_03]: So then like, this is like one of the cases I love because Harry price, like, you know, hears these tales and it just so happens that like in in 1937, this place is vacant and he gets to go visit it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this place, he, I think he spends a week in there
[SPEAKER_03]: and it fascinates him so much that he leases it for a year he's like all right well we're gonna fucking work on all it so so something in this house in that weekend was like he's like there's something to this and again i point this out because i'm like this is a guy that is like sure he wasn't just trying to get a deal on rents
[SPEAKER_03]: This place is fucking haunted man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he doesn't have to box off.
[SPEAKER_03]: Please.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's like, so it's interesting because it's like, again, he's made his claim to fame is basically debunking.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he sees this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like, he's never done anything like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he, dude, all his like most prominent books are from this next year that he spends in the barley rectory.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like he documents, he gets 48 volunteers.
[SPEAKER_03]: They do, you know, they have strict protocols with ceiling rooms, signed logs.
[SPEAKER_03]: It could like, like trying to check all the boxes to make sure they like,
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, are doing everything where hoaxes cannot be happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was the first large scale ghost investigation that I get ever happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he took out like it took out a one add in the paper to be like, was it people of leisure to come with you for a year?
[SPEAKER_02]: people of leisure, you know, if it's science-minded, non-biased, like all of this stuff description in there, but basically, you know, recruiting all of these people to come in and he's like, it was the first time you're being like, you know, you could be a ghost hunter yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll train you in the ghost hunting techniques and like, it basically wanted shift worked, shift workers, like 24-7.
[SPEAKER_03]: He had people there like monitoring the house and monitoring the activity.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like reports include the Phantom Footsteps and Voices, Objects Moving Disappearing, Objects being thrown, broken, a non-figure scene in windows and on the grounds.
[SPEAKER_03]: like by different people mysterious lights and cold spots being picked up by instruments and bells ringing and being picked up by audio recordings.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like they had no idea and this like he he documented this in his 1940 book uh the most haunted house in England.
[SPEAKER_03]: which then made this as like a fucking thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, people like holy fuck, we know all about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But again, it's like, he instantly gets shit on for this.
[SPEAKER_03]: People are like, he's so full of shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was planting all this shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like people are so quick to like, and this is the guy that does that.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the guy that fucking poo poo.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the guy that realized that debunking didn't pay very well.
[SPEAKER_00]: The right in books, one haunted fucking places, pays fucking great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or it's a guy or I mean, okay, I'll give you that caveat, but or this is a guy that spend his whole life loving this thing And wanting it to be true and then finding like when we find a really interesting case where there's something to it and he's like Holy shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's something here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't fucking explain This is legit like there's something really here and that's why it ups like his obsession and to write books I think he ends up writing like six books
[SPEAKER_02]: that both of us support the director is probably big his big one.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, and the, but it would also be, yeah, one of his most controversial ones because the SPR, like, would come out and just like just like fuck this guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am basted him about that shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: They'd be like, yeah, they were just, they're like, yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we got some people saying that you fake did that you a lot of the stuff that they saw, you know, rocks getting thrown, these things like you did those things.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was so cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it was you.
[SPEAKER_03]: You were wearing a cheat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but also, yeah, but besides doing like haunted and you know haunted house investigations like a Harry pricey, you know, the other one I thought was really funny and it's one of the more high-prival cases is that he had like the name is called the Exposure of Helen Duncan in 1931 so before she's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
[SPEAKER_02]: was at the time, I guess, the UK's most famous medium and one of her things, like for new listeners, like the Long Island medium, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then what she was known for are at least like during her senses was producing echo plasma, which was, yeah, which was below her orifice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which was in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, hell yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which back then was believed to be a very
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, a very real thing, you know, this, this physical data is still real.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a real thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just much more rare than we do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Goodyray, goodyray.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this is the physical manifestation of, like, spiritual interaction with the material world.
[SPEAKER_04]: When they transition to dimensions, like, ooze and actoplas.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, um, So she was a portal?
[SPEAKER_02]: She is legal.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, so, of course, Harry Price, you know, is like, you know, a high profile case, hey, come on down to the National Laboratory for a certain, you know, come down to the lab and we'll test this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you're legit, you're legit, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I think they paid her, which was another thing that he was known to do, was that he would pay a lot of these mediums as a way of compensating him, because like, well, you have to take the day off a work.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and also it's like, it's, I mean, I would say that a lot of these mediums are more than likely grifters.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the getting a payday to them is probably, you know, to the ones that are grifting.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, well, I might as well go and get paid anyways and try to deal with this guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because it makes money off of it anyway for it totally busted, you know, and it's yeah, it's also, it does also kind of boggle my mind that it's like a lot of these memes would still go like he's known for busted people.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got to catch you like or you know, if you're like, are you that do you think you're that good that you're going to ask part of the high right thing and then you can find anyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess, yeah, let me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess that must have been what Helen thought because it going into it because,
[SPEAKER_02]: Harry already kind of had the idea and his head like that what she was doing is like it was actually like this acto plasm was actually some sort of like cheesecloth soaked in fat and probably egg whites it was something and then she would swallow it and then regurgitated back up later like during the the sand or whatever which I guess is known as rumination like I guess that's a thing
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like 15 minutes later, I could just right back into the cup in the same distance.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I can fill the cup back up perfectly and just like put it back on the counter and turn it upside down.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have to know.
[SPEAKER_02]: they tried everything with her.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they busted out the X-ray machine like they're it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He demanded that she have an X-ray ever stomach to see if she actually had and he like, you know, she is he keeping this stuff in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: This this cheesecloth which might show up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they actually found it like when they took the X-ray, I don't think it was actually like is easy to see because her maid ratted her out, wasn't it?
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the, yeah, that was one of the things I think they did, but they actually like, and I think they caught her Kind of because they were like they're trying to x-ray her stomach and then she's like freaking out I guess like there's a whole thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like I guess she went into some kind of trance or c-shirt and then she They say she suddenly left up.
[SPEAKER_02]: She hit a researcher, so she decked out one of his assistants and then ran into the street out of the lab It was just creepy fire until like her husband had to actually like get her and physically restrain
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's a commit to the bit, man, commit to the bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go nuts.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's some stuff like his quotes from like, what is like his autobiography or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like the site of half a dozen men, each with a pair of scissors, waiting for the word was amusing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It came and we all jumped.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the doctors got hold of this stuff and secured a piece.
[SPEAKER_02]: The medium screamed at the rest of the,
[SPEAKER_02]: screamed and the rest of the teleplasm went down her throat.
[SPEAKER_02]: This time, it wasn't cheesecloth.
[SPEAKER_02]: I proved it to be paper soaked in white of egg and folded into a flying white tube of egg.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anything be more infantile, is that then a group of grown men wasting time, money, and energy on the antics of a fat female crook.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't why it's a fat nerd as for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Harry prices fuck around like it's like yeah, but that's dude like when you look at the what he did and then like to me When you look at that and then you see how fascinated he was with the barley like rectory to me It makes me think that he legit was like there's something I can't explain here I don't know what's going on and that's why it fascinated him so much like again I mean six books, you know you we joking me we can say like oh, you know that that's where the money is
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's like also like this was his passion was fine trying to find something and if you actually found something that you think that would like why keep looking for something weird when you're like, I know this this right here is the proof I'm looking for is this right here and and then it like consumes him of just like all I can think about is this because it's so fucking weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't care about
[SPEAKER_03]: other people faking shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I found the real thing here in these and in these studies.
[SPEAKER_00]: One thing that I got also to like I don't want to shit on on that because that could very well be the case, but like for what I was trying to look into, I couldn't really find it because like you said, this is kind of what the borrily uh, directory, directory, why I keep, I want to say
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, directorie before the directorie.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of his big story.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where all his books come out.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where he gets his traction and then pretty much the accounts of his previous encounters and Experiment to stuff that kind of comes from him after the fact where he's already famous like there's not really like a bunch of books about him Debonking a bunch of shit and he wasn't famous back then for that like this is all kind of shit that we're here in from all Harry P Yeah, I could find
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like is he using that to build credibility for this in the past, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I get that but at the same time like the the he wrote his autobiography.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's why it's called an autobiography.
[SPEAKER_02]: it's in the name or he wrote his biography right like this is all coming from him right yeah so it's all coming from him I mean like I said the the broken experiment was 32 like he was already kind of known for what he was doing like he was still had some credibility to his name he wasn't his famous I'll give you that he was his famous borely wrecked
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's kind of like a, and that was kind of, you know, I think he, the guy had 14,000 books and pamphlets that he donated.
[SPEAKER_03]: Be asked library of just magic and cold and and anything kind of weird that he donated to the fucking.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a pretty cool, it kind of makes me want to, like, if I'm ever in London, I want to check it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he looks like that's pretty neat.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a whole wing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a whole bunch of books, which is all it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's about magic and ghosts and psychic phenomenon.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty neat.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the fact that he collected it and then donated it.
[SPEAKER_03]: In his death, he was like, donate all my work to the, like, you know, that could have been in a private.
[SPEAKER_03]: That could have gone to, you know,
[SPEAKER_03]: Passed down with the estate man right foot upon it.
[SPEAKER_03]: 100% you know Museum they could have said of a museum, but like just to donate that worked because you wanted more people to be interested in the subject and be able to research it It's like fucking I'm like that that's what interests me the most about this guy's I'm like Fuck man, I wish the borely rectory didn't burn down like it's gone now
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just a big thing, yeah, but it's a fake in the morning of the building released more fucking paranormal activities What people do say around the area.
[SPEAKER_03]: It'll be a great to hairl My god, I'm almost Once before wasn't there to go?
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't they find a goat?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did Tell me come together.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the UFO Cowboys did find a goat All coming together
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, Harry died and was a hard attack in 1948.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, I guess he was just basically just sitting in his arm chair with a copy of the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is what they said.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a very in auspicious way to go out for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, his, his like a seal is on with that,
[SPEAKER_02]: which is the library of Harry Price Library of Magical Literature still is on and very much a lot of this stuff that he pioneered like still still rolls like his little his little ghost hunting kit like pretty much that has really been it's been updated a little bit when you see like ghost hunters and stuff like that you're like nah, Harry Price had that stuff like it's very much a lot of
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's like, he leaves a little asking legacy on the paranormal research, you know, those who take it seriously or, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: And or, you know, or it's just someone out for the headlines.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I guess maybe that's just too fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's of the paranormal researching thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's people who are genuinely interested in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, trying to figure it out and everybody says, all these guys are just out to debunk everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's like, oh, they're just like, they're just doing stuff and it's just a lot of the people who are doing these things happen to be fraudsters.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, it's like, yeah, and I mean, it's, it's same for us, like, I mean, there's so few real UFO cases that I truly believe after looking
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm like the ones, there's ones that stand out for me where I'm like yeah no man there's some room there there's Once you once you've done a bunch and you're like okay like there's some legit ones though You're like yeah, no, I can I can get by this like 100% that this was a real UFO that you saw and other ones You're like hey, that's so much
[SPEAKER_04]: There's one more, there's one more thing that we know like Harry Price was legit because just before the dawn of World War II, the Nazis came calling.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and you know that the Nazis were into anything a cult supernatural.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're trying their best to get whatever edge up on that.
[SPEAKER_04]: They could.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they call Harry price they were just trying to they were recruiting the fucking Avengers of magicians best of the best sorcerers of the world at the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: They had a fucking Nick Fierre We'll put together team
[SPEAKER_04]: I guess they called just before the dawn of World War II and they offered Harry Price a position at the Nazi psychic lab that actually really never came to be because World War II started shortly after.
[SPEAKER_04]: But they offered it to him, he was considering it, but he was paid to visit by M.I.5 and said stand down, stand down, you can't go over there, you're not going there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know I read that chapter in his autobiography, you're like, well, if he would it you know what if he would have went over there though Wait, they would have won.
[SPEAKER_04]: They might have got the wonder weapon in action.
[SPEAKER_00]: They would have won.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that might have been the final fucking doubted in the straw the tip the war
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't believe you didn't laugh at my Nick Fierre joke, Andrew.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was fucking sad about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know, everyone laughs except the Marvel guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was thought for sure he was going to be like, yeah, he's all right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_04]: He probably stole from him earlier.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: He probably thought it was just, Did you steal that joke from Andrew earlier or something in the pressure?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I came up with Nick Fierre, right at the right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right now with those on nose, right at the right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I became with that right on the fly, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: It came to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I pulled it from the case of records.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nick Fierre.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He definitely won't.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he also booked old Harry P here.
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