[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to the Preacher Boys podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm your host Eric Scorsinski.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a former federal analyst who is now shedding light on the dark side of the church from the pulpits to the pews.
[SPEAKER_02]: The video you are about to watch or if you're listening on a podcast out, the video you're about to listen to was actually streamed at one o'clock Pacific standard time on Saturday, March 21st, 2026.
[SPEAKER_02]: So keep that in mind as some of these stories develop.
[SPEAKER_02]: If there's
[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably something that came out after it was actually live streamed.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the first live stream I've done since 2022 on this YouTube channel.
[SPEAKER_02]: It got a new setup, new mic, all sorts of things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so the audio quality in the first half of the live stream was super low.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I decided to just rip the live stream.
[SPEAKER_02]: And...
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, balance the audio, remove any umbs and ahs, and stitch together the core point of the video.
[SPEAKER_02]: So be an easier listening experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: The live is still up if you want to watch the live stream chat replay and things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's still available.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll link to it in the show notes of this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: But for those of you who were on livestream and couldn't hear certain parts of it, or
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to go back and have a better list of experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope this video works well, giving that to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And hopefully in our next livestream, we don't have any tech issues like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'll stop talking and get right into the recording of the livestream.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ain't nobody safe In the Bible, in the Bible, in the head If you haven't been keeping up
[SPEAKER_02]: a couple of days ago, Joseph Dugger, who is the seventh oldest in the family.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Dugger family I believe he was arrested for abusing a nine-year-old girl in 2020.
[SPEAKER_02]: The victim's now about 14, and she told her that what happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: her dad confronted Joseph and the next day, Joseph was arrested, he's currently sitting in jail right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think what's most notable when there's dugger stories is how silent the majority of the family are, especially when it comes to people like Jim Bob, you know, the patriarchs of the family, you know, the silence is deafening in these cases.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so let me go ahead and pull up the actual responses of the family here and we can start there as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the first people to publish a statement was Jill and her husband, Derek.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jill, of course, has been pretty outspoken about her family.
[SPEAKER_02]: She just recently wrote a book where she details some of the really sketchy contracts that her father put in place when they were doing
[SPEAKER_02]: 19 kids accounting and counting on you know she talks about the abusive funds she talks about how he the kids made very little even though filming obviously very much disrupted their lives and continues to and so I was looking when this story broke involving Joseph
[SPEAKER_02]: I immediately went to Jill Dugger's page to see if she said anything and I went to Amy Dugger's page to see if she said anything because those two have consistently spoken up when it comes to abuse within the Dugger family, but they were very vocal about Josh.
[SPEAKER_02]: and they've been very vocal about abuse in general, which I appreciate.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the statement that was released on March 19th, 2026 from Derek and Jill on their post said, we were shocked yesterday evening to learn of Jill's brother Joseph Dugger's arrest.
[SPEAKER_02]: We first learned of anything related to his charges yesterday via a text from a friend who messaged us about the recent media reports of Joseph's arrest and his alleged confession to molesting a juvenile female in 2020.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're shocked and heartbroken.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll go ahead and stop there because one of the things that
[SPEAKER_02]: stood out to me reading this is the way that Jill found out.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that this hit the news before she had any awareness of this, that she didn't have a family member calling her, that she didn't receive a text beforehand.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that she found out about this information, the same way I did, or that anybody else who's watching the stream did, says a lot about her current relationship.
[SPEAKER_02]: with the Dougher family.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that she's finding out about this via a text from a friend who happened to see a news headline.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I also want to talk about this because some people understandably so there's a lot of people that are very angry about this situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of people who are mad at the Dougher family.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's people that are mad at
[SPEAKER_02]: For the mentalism, there's people that are mad at, obviously, predators, there's a lot of anchor, and it rightfully so.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was furious when I read the charges.
[SPEAKER_02]: It brought up a lot of emotions for me as someone who grew up in a federalist church and has seen this thing happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Time and time and time and time again.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm seeing predatory men be able to abuse and then, you know, even when justice comes as quickly as it has in this case, or at least the wheels of justice have come as far as soon as they have in this case, it's just frustrating, it brings up a lot of emotion and
[SPEAKER_02]: In that, I think there's some people that have some misplaced anger toward people like Jill or her husband or Amy Duggeras look into a second.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're nitpicking statements that are being made and looking for things to be upset about.
[SPEAKER_02]: I posted this just the other day and I think this is unfortunate because when you look at a family that's quite literally
[SPEAKER_02]: 19 kids in counting.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got 20, 30, 40 people that probably should be talking about this within that universe, within that orbit.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that we have really about four people that have said anything about this that have addressed it in any way is really startling and upsetting.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think any anger that's being directed anywhere should not be toward those few people that are actually speaking up about this, that are actually saying the truth about what's happening in this situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so there were some people I know that we're mad that, you know, she said, his alleged confession.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again,
[SPEAKER_02]: For anybody that's read Jill's book, I don't think it's any surprise that she would cross her tease and daughter eyes when it comes to her verbage here.
[SPEAKER_02]: When you look at how her dad has threatened legal action in the past, the amount of ways he's held contracts and NDAs over people's heads, I understand why she's being careful.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think some people are interpreting that as downplaying the abuse as her making it sound, uncredible.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't get any of that from this statement.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever, you know, do I love the the verbiage of, you know, juvenile female?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't love it, but again I might my last thought when I read this was let me nitpick it and see what you're saying I'm curious in the chat if you're watching what's your take on this like were you bothered by the statement?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you think it was fine?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, why do you think there's such a response to this so far?
[SPEAKER_02]: But for now continue reading through the statement.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious to see the answers there
[SPEAKER_02]: She continues, we strongly condemn abuse, we support the will of law, and hope that justice will be achieved.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our hearts go out to the innocent juvenile victim of this unspeakable crime in her family.
[SPEAKER_02]: We pray God gives her strength, comfort, and hope, and that she's able to get all the help and support she needs and deserves in the days ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: We love our sister in law, Kendra, and our four nieces, and nephews, and pray that they feel loved and supported during this time, and we cannot imagine the indescribable pain.
[SPEAKER_02]: They feel as a process, and grieve, everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: and then she ends with two Bible verses, learn to do good, seek justice and correct depression from Isaiah 117, and the Lord is near to the broken hearted and saves the crushed and spirit.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm sorry for 18.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's the statement there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely see the comment here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I understand that she has to talk that way for legal reasons, but it feels dismissive.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a very hard thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as somebody who's been covering these stories
[SPEAKER_02]: over five years now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely feel like it's a tightrope of being victim-centered in your approach and also, you know, protecting your own family and making sure that someone can't throw a lawsuit at you over in Craig Furbage.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really frustrating.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually told somebody this recently, but a great example of this is I was working on a project, I won't say which one, but it wouldn't be too hard to figure out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was working on a project a couple years ago, and there were lawyers involved in the process of creating this content, and I said something about Jack Scott.
[SPEAKER_02]: in a recording.
[SPEAKER_02]: For those of you who don't know, Jack Scott was arrested and was put in prison for many years.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a mega church pastor who was taking a girl from his church who was underage at the time driving her across state lines.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, it was statutory rape.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, in the context of what I was saying for the content, I said, you know, Jack Scott
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, the legal team came back on that and they said, you have to re-record that line because technically Jack Scott is not a pedophile because a pedophile is someone under a certain age.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's different versions, there's, you know, pedophiles, I think it's hebefile, I think is the other.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's, there's different terms for different phrases of people being young.
[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of echo there's a comedian that says the reason we don't always articulate the minute differences between that is because it's hard to do that without sounding like a pedophile.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's kind of true is like I don't really care if your victim was
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're a grown man praying on a child, you know, I don't have time for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but that just kind of speaks to when you do work on a larger scale, when you have a big media platform, when you have, again, like I mentioned, a dad who is extremely aggressive and protecting the brand.
[SPEAKER_02]: I understand why she did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I do understand too how it can feel dismissive, and there's been plenty of times that I discard my concern about leaving, you know, legal holes open for people because I'd rather just say, I'd rather call it like I see it than saving type of way.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the statement there, so that was Jill and Joseph, and then later someone had screen shot at that just a C-walled had also posted a response in her stories, and she later deleted it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this was that from maybe an hour or so, why it was deleted?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, or why it got removed.
[SPEAKER_02]: But she said, we learned if this saddening news along with the rest of the world on Wednesday, we're in complete shock.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our hearts are grieving for this innocent young girl.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we know this is deeply grievous to God who cares tenderly for children and the vulnerable.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're keeping her in our prayers as a family.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're pulling together to support Kendra and her kids during this difficult time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So,
[SPEAKER_02]: That was just a statement.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's two of the family there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's yeah, I mean, it's a pretty straightforward statement.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I'm much to add to it or to say about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'll do one more here.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is from Amy Dugger.
[SPEAKER_02]: Amy Dugger has been on the show in the past.
[SPEAKER_02]: a really great conversation and really respected game to talk to her and getting to hear from her in a setting where, you know, we talked a little bit before recording.
[SPEAKER_02]: We, you know, we talked a little, oh, that's an interesting point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody said in the comments here, I think you got to lead it because Kendrick had arrested.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually didn't consider that interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure the exact timeline, but that could be it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Amy getting to talk to her before
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, it was really good and I've appreciated her kind of sounding the alarm on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were some people again in the comments I saw that we're going, this isn't about you or you're just a cousin, you know, I forget what it was, but she was in like 130 episodes of 19 kids in counting.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was in very close proximity, you know, her mom is related to Jim Bob Doughert's a sibling.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, I think she's a lot closer than people give her credit for.
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, I'm not a person who's watch 19 can the counting from day one.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I can't give you the full breakdown of all the family dynamics.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I guess even the people watching can't either because it's a TV show.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you would never really know how close people are or aren't.
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, I appreciate what Amy said in this video.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll go ahead and play it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the curious hear your thoughts on this one as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I thought it was a pretty good statement.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey everyone, I just wanted to say thank you for all the prayers and all the messages that I've received.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love this community.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you guys for holding me up when I cannot believe that this is happening again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to read you guys my statement that I've put out to the press just in case you haven't seen it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It says in light of the recent allegations of bothering my cousin Joseph Dougher.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am sickened.
[SPEAKER_00]: heartbroken and deeply angry.
[SPEAKER_00]: My first thoughts are with the victim, a child who deserved to be safe, protected and surrounded by people she could trust.
[SPEAKER_00]: The courage it took for her to come forward, especially after years of hearing something so heavy, cannot be overstated.
[SPEAKER_00]: and that bravery deserves to be honored above all else.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will always, always honor the victims and talk about them and celebrate their bravery and truths because that's how monsters like this get put away.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was utterly shocked to hear about these allegations and Joseph's arrest.
[SPEAKER_00]: At the same time, I am not surprised that another alleged predator has emerged from this toxic system.
[SPEAKER_00]: For years, I've spoken out about the importance of truth, accountability, and protecting children.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even when it meant going against my own family, family ties should never equal automatic trust or access, especially when it comes to the safety of children.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when an image is protected over truth, and silence is chosen over accountability.
[SPEAKER_00]: It creates an environment where abuse can thrive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've worked hard to break cycles in both my extended family and my immediate family.
[SPEAKER_00]: My boundaries are in place for a reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have used my voice to expose the darkness and advocate for the protection of children.
[SPEAKER_00]: A journey I wrote about in Holy Disreptor, my memoir, my book, as a way to help others recognize harmful patterns.
[SPEAKER_00]: speak at the truth and find their voice in toxic systems.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm praying for the victim and her family as they walk through what is sure to be an incredible difficult road ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Recognizing that we do not yet know the full picture, I am also praying for Joseph's wife's Kendra.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's precious, you guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: actually just to get ahead of any comments there this is before the arrest of Kendra so just want to make very clear this was posted before that happened just to give some context there so the mention of Kendra obviously now there's there's different statements there and I'll share that in a second but yeah just wanted to make it make a note gives the process this and for the protection of their children
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm praying for eyes to be open, and above all else, I pray that justice will be served to the fullest, it's so hard to comprehend and to process, and it's really scary to think that I thought I knew someone who apparently I didn't, and my heart just breaks.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just absolutely shattered right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you for the prayers.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not about me, but it's a ripple effect of what happens when something so evil comes out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It affects all of us.
[SPEAKER_00]: It affects the entire family.
[SPEAKER_00]: And my heart just goes out to everyone that's hurting right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a difficult thing when you look at someone like Amy Dagger, who is talking about something that connects to the family, doesn't directly involve her at something she has to address.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also,
[SPEAKER_02]: When you're creating content in general, which sounds callous, I guess when it comes to these topics, but it is what it is when you're creating a video is like, you have to think about what you're going to say.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give this example for my own life.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I hear about a story, I go, you know, I hear the news.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this happens to preach boys all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get a tip on a story, I get a survivor
[SPEAKER_02]: Six of my stomach, my wife will say, you know, I get pale and she goes, who died?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's kind of the usual response.
[SPEAKER_02]: Feel like I want to throw up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's terrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you have to sit down with a note pen right out your notes, go to your computer, write a statement, you know, start articulating all this.
[SPEAKER_02]: that emotions like you start to work through that emotional journey that happens there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then by the time you sit down on camera, you don't want to look completely like you've processed it, you still have to make sure you have the right tone, you still have to make sure that you are carrying across how important this is, how heavy this is,
[SPEAKER_02]: But you've also processed it a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're not giving that get reaction.
[SPEAKER_02]: And one thing I've never done is like project on like, okay, let me turn on the waterworks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me get emotional here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me try to re-enact what I felt when I first saw this story.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you have to be like professional and then also carry a certain tone that doesn't make it feel like you're being blase about something that's very serious.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so sometimes I think, especially when you're not doing long form content a lot,
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, it's really hard to process that and create videos that work in that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was one more statement besides Amis, besides Justices, besides Jill's, that was incredibly surprising.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one that I can honestly say I didn't expect, and I'll go ahead and put that on the screen here.
[SPEAKER_02]: First, we're going to give a shout out
[SPEAKER_02]: It says Kendra was supposed to turn herself in at the big house, Jim Bob and Michelle's get later.
[SPEAKER_02]: She just went to the police department.
[SPEAKER_02]: This makes me think they did not want her there to avoid media at property.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, they're very big on image.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I can imagine having law enforcement show up at the house would not be something that Jim Bob would be thrilled about.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's really really interesting there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, there's a lot we haven't heard about Kendra's yet, so I'm sure we'll get some more context there as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, thank you for bringing that up.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this was the other statement, another Doug or sibling ended up speaking out about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was Josh Dougher.
[SPEAKER_02]: pretty sure everybody who's watching a video like this is familiar with who Josh Dugger is.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the oldest sibling in the Dugger family, and he has been in scandal after scandal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Most recently was found in possession of CSAM, which landed him a hefty prison sentence that was not near long enough in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Josh Dugger, you know, pedophile and convicted sex criminal,
[SPEAKER_02]: Josh Tugger communicated with the Daily Mail via his lawyer, and he said the charges against his brother Joseph deeply sat in him, and that he understands the stigma of being accused.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dougher's lawyer added he lives with the painful reality of how false accusations can destroy a life.
[SPEAKER_02]: He understands how the targeting of a person for publicity can twist the truth, indicensationalized fiction.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he concluded by saying he hopes and prays his brother as well as his brothers while being in this difficult time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, one,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Josh Dugger should not have said anything and also if you're Joseph, this is maybe the worst person I have in your corner vouching for you because Josh is one of the most despised and disgusting people That I can think of.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean he's he's a really really gross person and and obviously his word means nothing so
[SPEAKER_02]: him making a statement is wild, but him also throwing out the idea that this is a false accusation.
[SPEAKER_02]: One, there's so much evidence about Josh Tucker himself, but two, in the case of Joseph Tucker, Joseph Tucker confessed to both the victim's father and to detectives who arrived on the scene that he did this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, again, this is this is just awful.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I do want to add this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like to mention this every time we talk about Josh Tucker, Josh Tucker possessed
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think a lot of times when people hear that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And listen, that alone, like whatever that is, that alone to me is enough to say, prison for life at least.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I think a lot of times when someone hears the term CSA, I'm not gonna get into deep detail about what Josh was consuming.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've covered that in other episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when you hear that, you think of images or videos of undressed children.
[SPEAKER_02]: and that, again, alone is worth being in prison for life.
[SPEAKER_02]: The content that Josh Dugger was watching when you read the sentencing memorandum was far beyond that, it involved torture, it involved children, as young as, I mean, as young as infants.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, I read a book recently and had some non-talking about Ted Bundy recently, and like this was some Ted Bundy level stuff that he was consuming.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, he's, yeah, it's disgusting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the detective who, or the specialist to investigate from Homeland Security said this was some of the worst I'm content he had ever seen in like 20 years of doing his job.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if your job is processing this type of content, that pedophiles like the worst pedophiles are consuming, like that's something there.
[SPEAKER_02]: This all happened and then we get into Kendra being arrested.
[SPEAKER_02]: So obviously in the initial statements like Amy made, there was a lot to said about Kendra and people were saying, pray for Kendra.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the news broke that Kendra was arrested.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I actually saw,
[SPEAKER_02]: this headline and then I saw Amy Dugger's story where she was, she was crying saying, I don't know what's going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's been another arrest.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got a text from several people that were saying, you know, like something else is happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is way bigger.
[SPEAKER_02]: All these sorts of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, so basically what happened is Kendra got arrested.
[SPEAKER_02]: Detective say it's not connected at all to what happened with Joseph Dugger, which is perplexing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting to see
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen a lot of rumors about what this is for.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen a lot of people make suggestions as to what this could be about.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know what the actual arrest was for.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can tell you the charges, which I'll pull up right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: and we can kind of read through it here.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go ahead and get that ready.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I've heard all kinds of variations of what people think this is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I haven't seen any official outlets talking about them in a way that makes complete sense to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone said, people shared a people shared a photo of Kendrick and released in the car, had bullet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Car had bullet holes in the car door.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not sure what that means.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, here I'm going to pull out my screen really quick.
[SPEAKER_02]: TMZ just posted this is at 822 a.m. today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Joseph Douglas wife Kendra has been released from jail in Arkansas after her arrest.
[SPEAKER_02]: TMZ has learned Kendra was released Friday around 620 p.m. from the Washington County detention center under a 14 or a 1,470 dollar bond after being taken to custody for allegedly endangering the welfare of a minor and false imprisonment.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... police went to the dugger family compound in washington arcans hot earlier friday with the warrant for countries arrest but she was not there choose later taken custody according to the jail website so she got four counts of second degree in the end of the world for a minor and four counts of second degree false imprisonment and those charges were added to joseph dugger's existing charges as well uh...
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was what that was, and again, they iterated that this had nothing to do with the Florida charges, which I don't know if it's something they found once they went to go get her, and they found something that could turn them, but again, it was an odd, an odd thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just pulled up the e-news article that you referenced.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see who KK
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how to say your username, I'm be read on e-news, so I'm going to pull up the article so I can take a look as well, it's from 18 hours ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not seeing the story that you're mentioning, so the very, the, the variation of the story that I've heard from multiple people, but I haven't seen in a US weekly, or us weekly, I always, if I always said US weekly, and then I found out like a year ago, that's not what it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I'll go to us weekly.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the version of events that I've heard from people is that there was some kind of lock on the outside of the children's doors in the home.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it was the idea that they were keeping their kids in their rooms not able to leave.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I don't have any confirmation of that here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not seeing this us weekly article either.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is something like I've seen on a bunch of like blogs about the dugers.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have a lot of people that write.
[SPEAKER_02]: Content about everything involving the dugers and I haven't seen it in an official news source yet So I haven't reported anything there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me see if I can pull it up really quick and then we can take a look Some says Jill was careful for a variety of reasons one of which was that her husband is an attorney and legally An alleged perpetrator doesn't mean Jill doesn't believe the victim.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with that
[SPEAKER_02]: You just summing the article on Instagram, what a life-saver.
[SPEAKER_02]: And someone said, having worked in child welfare just having the locks wouldn't be enough to get the kids taken much less get arrested.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was kind of my thought as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm always fascinated when people present this idea that
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: The present this idea that like CPS or whatever version of CPS there is in any given state is like out for blood And they'll take any little thing to pull people into homes like I've worked with people where there's like active abuse happening and the ability to get people
[SPEAKER_02]: actually take action.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know where people get this concept that like, it's so easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you can have a lock on a door and you get arrested.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's not, it's not that simple.
[SPEAKER_02]: Usually interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm seeing the people article here.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a gunshot in the side of her bullet hole in the side of the cart.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks like very weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't know what to make of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not going to speculate on that right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that seems to be the kind of rumor that's floating around right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I think we'll find out a lot more as I think we'll find a lot more as keeps moving forward.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I'm very curious to see if Josh Tugger gets more vocal.
[SPEAKER_02]: We really haven't heard much from Josh since he was sentenced.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so to see him go out of his way to make a statement is interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, as of right now, I haven't heard anything from Jim Bob, I haven't heard anything from Michelle Dugger.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like there's a lot of really quiet.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of really quiet behind the scenes stuff happening there in the family.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, you know, I was on at the Coldster Consciousness podcast which she'll least see other day.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's one of the things that I said is like, I hope that.
[SPEAKER_02]: The right things are being done behind the scenes, but based on what we know of the inner workings of the Dagger family from Jill's book, especially the last half of our book, if you haven't read it, it's very enlightening, but also from Amy's book, there's a, you know, it's hard for me to give Ben Feather out, Taiting Jim Bob says.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then someone said my issue is that he, Joseph, Apologize for his actions, meaning Kendra Newy, it should continue to allow a pedophile around the children.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do we know the timeframe in which, this was some again, I brought up on Colts to Consciousness,
[SPEAKER_02]: do we know at what stage he started confessing to this because it seems like there's some ambiguity about, you know, when he did this, when he apologized to the victim, when the victim told her father, my understanding is that this did not go beyond him in the victim until this past week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Has somebody seen or heard something other than that?
[SPEAKER_02]: I know it happened in 2020.
[SPEAKER_02]: but this did not come out from my understanding until this past week.
[SPEAKER_02]: If there's an article that reported otherwise, I'd be very curious to see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But let me know here.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me look through questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll probably wrap up in a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to give these updates.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if I sat here, I'm recorded and had all my technical snafu's behind the scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would be a lot longer game is edited and out there, so I appreciate you guys putting up with some sketchy audio, some mistakes with switching, all that good stuff, I really appreciate it, and I hope to do more of these, hopefully we'll get more polished, because tonight's just breaking stories like this, I want to get into here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe read through and read through chat right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you have any questions about this, or anything else, drop it in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone said that whole family needs to be investigated, something's rotten at the core.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't think it will happen, unless there's something that can tile this to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we can know just from seeing the fruit of the family and have to get super biblical on everybody, but like knowing the fruit of the family.
[SPEAKER_02]: So far in the way it's been dealt with, I'm not opposed to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think there's a lot to that could probably be found out, still going through here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone said Amy Duggers, Mom, Marlene Gardner said Amy Duggers, Mom, kept away from her grandfather, Jim Bob's dad as he was a child predator.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've also had a question over Jim Bob as he sounded, as he seemed iffy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that is true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Amy Duggers book.
[SPEAKER_02]: She shares a lot about her grandfather, Jim Bob's dad.
[SPEAKER_02]: who was a predator and, you know, she talks about having to be so careful around him.
[SPEAKER_02]: She wasn't allowed to play with Barbies around him because her grandmother didn't want him to see, you know, be sent over the edge by seeing a naked Barbie doll.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very disturbing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, her books while we're picking up to understand.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still going through here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Making sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone said all the dagger children seem to be existing in a bubble of intentional ignorance.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I agree and disagree.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's hard to call it intentional ignorance for all of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think for the adult children, some are.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then some are starting to kind of make their way out, but there's a lot to undo as they move forward.
[SPEAKER_02]: See if there's anything else.
[SPEAKER_02]: Scroll in through chat.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you just left one, I'm getting to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: See.
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone said Josh Tugger didn't just possess CSAM, he also committed incest, that is correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was also accused of sexual assault by an adult film performer.
[SPEAKER_02]: The leader dropped the case, I talked about that in my last video, and he was in the Ashley Madison Lake, which of all the things is the least, and bad because it's not something illegal.
[SPEAKER_02]: But
[SPEAKER_02]: it's pretty crazy that this is that that would not be the biggest scandal of his life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, someone said dog views says what he chose to download.
[SPEAKER_02]: What Josh Dugger chose to download was the most file I did homework.
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, I cannot erase it for my brain.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said he deserved the death penalty for downloading it in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's not bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: I echo that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I echo that to a friend last night, and I'm not somebody that's super pro that, but when you read that sentence in memorandum, which I linked to my recent article, it's very disturbing, and it's hard to justify the fact that he just got 20 years, it's very, very, very evil stuff, let's see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still looking through.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's everything there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone said watch funny Fridays videos.
[SPEAKER_02]: She keeps having to edit and updates is probably more efficient.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's I really appreciate funny Friday shout out to them And I definitely want to check out her coverage of this as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's so much it's been happening in the last few days Thank you so much miss Quinn 66595 Jim Bobba Michelle are going to stay quiet since he admitted it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel this seems to be all recent the apology from what I read was right before he stopped in 2020 That was the apology to the victim again.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where I'm wondering like
[SPEAKER_02]: that he privately go to the victim, and then it stopped, and then the victim, like years later, was like, oh, this is okay, and went to her dad.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know there.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I'm curious.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, because my view of Kendra will be most impacted by that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if she's known for the last six years,
[SPEAKER_02]: then she should be getting some serious present time in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_02]: If she didn't know, this is really, really, really sad for her, you know, and then after wait and see what else comes out.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's always more to these stories and like,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like what was referenced recently by Avery Willow about funny Fridays is like you have to keep inserting updates constantly because these stories evolve so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't expect there to be an intake video coming in.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't expect there to be much else being released.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't expect there to be Kendra's arrest and another mugshot and more, you know, now she's out on bond like there's so many layers so it's that keep happening over and over again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Ms. Quinn, I sent a super chat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's the one I just read.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry for getting into it so late.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really, my view of so much of the situation depends on when did this first get said to anybody that was not the victim.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, where does it go from here?
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone said, yeah, go hunting, inform what he downloaded, even knowing about it kept me from being able to sleep at night for weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I felt sick to my stomach.
[SPEAKER_02]: It really is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to encourage anybody to go check it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: All I can say is like, it's one of the most disturbing things I've ever read reading through is sentencing memorandum.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's very, very heavy stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone said it's hard to grasp the idea that everybody in the family didn't see this type of thing coming.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just shared a quote on my Instagram.
[SPEAKER_02]: I pull it up real quick.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a book called Predators and it is written by Dr. Anisee Solter and she's a psychologist who's interviewed some of the worst of the worst offenders when it comes to sexual abuse and one of things that she says in her book, I'll just go ahead and open it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll actually close my Instagram because I
[SPEAKER_02]: She says, what all of us would like is a checklist so that we can use to spot predators, a sort of non-technical polygraph that would tell us whom to trust and whom not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something on which we could just check off the items and add up the points.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, such a checklist does not exist.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even if it did, I believe we would only apply it to strangers and a subset of strangers at that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those who are not charming and friendly, men who do not look like the boy next door.
[SPEAKER_02]: Certainly we would not apply it to our friends and neighbors, not to the neighborhood soccer coach or until recently the priest and local parish that we have known all our lives.
[SPEAKER_02]: We would not apply it to these people because over and over we can fuse like ability with trustworthiness, familiarity with safety, warmth with caring.
[SPEAKER_02]: Niceness is a decision given to Becker wrote, but we really don't believe that, but we really don't believe that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Predators we think should at least have the decency to be rude.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it is something we can say, oh, we can't believe the family didn't see this coming, but also, you know, even she says in her book several times like, there's people she
[SPEAKER_02]: And she says, I would not be able to pick them out of a crowd.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if they weren't telling me this from across the table in this prison where I'm talking to them, I would not have been able to see the red flags.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we just, you cannot put yourself in the mind of a predator.
[SPEAKER_02]: We like to think we'd be able to spot it, but it's, it's just really, really hard not to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or it's really, really hard to.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really hard not to miss the, the signs.
[SPEAKER_02]: As someone says, this whole family's very cult-like color from Berlin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I definitely agree there.
[SPEAKER_02]: really yeah it's it's very hard when you read Jill's book and you listen to Amy's book the way that it operates and the way Jim Bob runs that family is very much a cult unto itself and familiar cults are a thing I mean Dr. Steven has an ox about that but like it's such a large I mean it's such a large family it's like it's own ecosystem
[SPEAKER_02]: Miss Quinn 6655 says I don't think Kendra New Joseph was like Josh everything I've heard about Kendra She tried to keep her distance after everything came out about Josh only her family was a lot to watch her kids Yeah, everything again.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have known who Kendra Dugger is before this like I recognized Joseph You know I again.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know
[SPEAKER_02]: I know there's some people that very much know every single person in the family and know a lot about them, but I'm really not sure what her response was to Josh, but from what I've heard, everyone seems to echo that she was like really distancing herself and seem to be doing the right stuff and all the sorts of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: You said, did you find it hard to start speaking up and use your voice about these issues and more within the church?
[SPEAKER_02]: If so, how did you get over the hump?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I kind of just had to.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I first brought up a story of abuse within my own church, I was silence quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a lot of people that treated me very, very poorly over it, and lost a lot of community because of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think we'll just keep making the choice that, you know, if this is clearly the most black and white issue ever,
[SPEAKER_02]: And these people are on the wrong side of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why do I want to fight for community with those people?
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's kind of been the thing that's kept me saying over the last, saying as I can be, over the last decade or so that I've distance myself from this world and have talked about these stories in the last five years, I've done it with a public platform like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like why would I worry about the opinions of people who think that, you know, it's worth supporting a predator.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone says, we have to remember Kendra was not race and IVLP.
[SPEAKER_02]: I used to think Paul didn't want another Doug or son-in-law because of Josh.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm thinking he didn't like how Joseph treated Kendra, not sure about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: A two-brothers very similar crime, what happened in the house growing up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, you know, you got a grandfather who is a predator, at least by the accounts of people like Amy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, and then you've got Josh there as well, it's very possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: That there was, you know, and we know there was obviously some abuse involving Josh within the home But I do want to say this as well because a lot of times people will say, you know Those who abuse were typically abused in the past the data is not super clear on that I think it's like third a range of like 30 to 60% of people who commit child abuse Child sexual abuse were abuse actually themselves as children, but I do want to be very clear
[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes people extrapolate that to say that, you know, if you're abused or likely to abuse yourself and the data does not support that, there are tons of people who have been victimized who had never even in a million years think to perpetrate.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that's important to say because I think that keeps especially men who've been sexually abused.
[SPEAKER_02]: from sharing that, because I think people tend to look at them as a threat, and so I was like to make sure to articulate that not everyone who's been abused is likely to be a predator at some point, even if many predators who do abuse were abused at some point, if that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I said, could Kendra's arrest just be a way for law enforcement to get in close term really dig deep into Joe?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they can't arrest her without cause.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't think they're dumb enough to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But do I think that they had access to her home to see things that they wouldn't have seen if they weren't already executing a warrant for Joe?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, we'll find out probably more
[SPEAKER_02]: In the next couple of days, this story is not going away any time soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone says it was Joan Kendrick and divorce, not that I know at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can I'll pray in the stream here in the next five minutes or so is there any last questions?
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone said it seems like the girls are the only ones wanting to try and escape the family while the boys are following the same path.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's been one boy that's followed in the path to be fair, but yeah, it does seem like it's largely the women, but I think we're seeing that even in the church at large, like women are kind of flocking out of the church, men are starting to be drawn at higher numbers than women, I think it's just because women are harmed, on average, so much more when it comes like sexual assault and things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, it's not a healthy environment for everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, again, misquind 6995.
[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely hope that I hope she leaves Joseph.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I hope that Kendra stays, you know, far away from him and that she doesn't do what Anna Dugger did and stayed by her man side to the whole thing isn't going to the court room and supporting all that sort of thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I'm gonna close out here in like three minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you guys again.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the first live in a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully, you know, again, audio issues as I think like that, I hope that this was helpful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Give you a quick update here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, I'll go ahead and again, upload a version that has better audio.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, I'll probably will unless this video after I'm done and re-upload a version with better audio that won't take me that long to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm where I can leave it, I guess the life tab and re-upload it is a lot, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, we'll figure it out together, but thank you so much for bearing with me with all these issues, and I really appreciate it, and if you have any other questions, be sure to drop them in the comments of this video, I'll leave it up for right now, and then we'll go from there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much, and I am out.
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