WEBVTT 00:08.317 --> 00:09.118 [SPEAKER_01]: What is up, everybody? 00:09.138 --> 00:10.740 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Comic Book Club on Alex. 00:11.100 --> 00:11.660 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Justin. 00:11.821 --> 00:26.896 [SPEAKER_01]: And we got another special bonus episode for you today with two of my favorite working artists, their amazing team that are breaking out on their own with their debut graphic novel, Worst Man, which is coming out August 25th from Titan Comics. 00:26.916 --> 00:29.319 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got a little peek at it, and it is great. 00:29.439 --> 00:30.760 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm very excited to chat with them. 00:30.840 --> 00:35.185 [SPEAKER_01]: Ladies and gentlemen, Brent and Stein, Brent and Stein, welcome to the podcast. 00:35.772 --> 00:36.473 [SPEAKER_01]: Hello. 00:36.493 --> 00:37.074 [SPEAKER_01]: Hi. 00:37.094 --> 00:38.316 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for having us. 00:38.336 --> 00:38.937 [SPEAKER_01]: You bet. 00:38.957 --> 00:42.082 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for coming on and thank you for calling in. 00:42.143 --> 00:43.805 [SPEAKER_01]: I know you're in the UK. 00:43.865 --> 00:46.189 [SPEAKER_01]: So we appreciate the transcontinental. 00:46.209 --> 00:46.790 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that what it is? 00:46.890 --> 00:47.812 [SPEAKER_01]: Did I get the word right? 00:47.952 --> 00:49.375 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 00:49.395 --> 00:50.276 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 00:50.356 --> 00:51.799 [SPEAKER_01]: Huge effort. 00:51.819 --> 00:54.523 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't remember what it is to get this. 00:55.178 --> 00:58.822 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so guys, both of you have worked as an art team for a while. 00:58.842 --> 01:00.563 [SPEAKER_01]: We certainly read a bunch of your stuff. 01:00.663 --> 01:02.385 [SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, I've always enjoyed it. 01:02.505 --> 01:05.608 [SPEAKER_01]: People have definitely seen you at DC and boom and others. 01:06.189 --> 01:09.652 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, there was a book from a couple of years back that you worked on, called Crouted. 01:09.672 --> 01:12.475 [SPEAKER_01]: If I remember correctly, there were big fans of as well. 01:13.156 --> 01:14.938 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but this is very different. 01:14.978 --> 01:20.443 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a full on graphic novel that you wrote and are doing the illustration for. 01:20.423 --> 01:40.885 [SPEAKER_01]: Titan is pitching it as white lotus meets glass audience, which is, I feel like kind of gets towards it, but doesn't exactly describe it, because it is like, I'll give the pitch, you added anything you want, but it is focusing on a guy who works for higher breaking up weddings. 01:41.406 --> 01:46.731 [SPEAKER_01]: He is forced into a situation where he basically is do or die with this one wedding. 01:46.751 --> 01:49.114 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be killed if he doesn't actually break it up, but 01:49.094 --> 01:57.900 [SPEAKER_01]: But in the midst of all this, let's just say I mean you could probably figure this out for the title, but he strikes up a little bit of a flirtation with the best man, certainly complicating things. 01:57.960 --> 02:03.998 [SPEAKER_01]: So you got your action, you got your rom-com, you got your comedy, Brandon Stied, what did I best? 02:05.260 --> 02:06.982 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that doesn't get good. 02:07.002 --> 02:08.103 [SPEAKER_00]: I was doing this. 02:08.123 --> 02:09.484 [SPEAKER_01]: And podcasts. 02:09.504 --> 02:10.546 [SPEAKER_01]: You're hired now. 02:12.367 --> 02:23.499 [SPEAKER_00]: There is also a huge element of fast in there, which, especially in the latter half of the book, that was another thing that we really wanted to get in. 02:23.980 --> 02:25.781 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a really big fan of proper fast. 02:25.882 --> 02:30.546 [SPEAKER_00]: We did stuff like the British movie, death of funeral and stuff like that. 02:30.626 --> 02:31.167 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 02:31.889 --> 02:41.713 [SPEAKER_00]: is, yeah, just that wonderful thing of everybody working on working off of assumptions that are wrong and watching how that all plays out is just wonderful. 02:42.571 --> 02:47.916 [SPEAKER_02]: How many weddings did you ruin for your in your research for this? 02:47.936 --> 02:48.817 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably best not saying. 02:50.399 --> 02:51.140 [SPEAKER_02]: Smart. 02:51.160 --> 02:54.283 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, just a talk businessy for a second. 02:54.343 --> 03:05.094 [SPEAKER_01]: The way the Titan described in their press release is I think that use the word acquisition, which certainly implies to me that this is something that you were both plotting a little bit before Titan came on board. 03:05.114 --> 03:08.117 [SPEAKER_01]: Am I, is that correct or am I reading it online? 03:08.137 --> 03:11.080 [SPEAKER_00]: We had, we had before the Titan got the hands of it. 03:11.100 --> 03:12.021 [SPEAKER_00]: We had 60 03:12.001 --> 03:17.610 [SPEAKER_00]: a four pages of bullet point notes, decadent on the platform. 03:18.311 --> 03:25.903 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, so then since you are very well known as artists, why was this the project to volunteer into writer artists? 03:28.107 --> 03:31.192 [SPEAKER_04]: It kind of got in our heads and stuck there. 03:31.913 --> 03:32.614 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 03:32.915 --> 03:36.220 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's about that simple really. 03:36.436 --> 03:44.347 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything we've done so far has been a lot of fun, but it's never been, it's never felt 100% like us. 03:44.968 --> 03:46.329 [SPEAKER_00]: And we always give that a try. 03:48.112 --> 03:50.956 [SPEAKER_02]: What was it like working on something of this link? 03:51.176 --> 03:54.340 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it sounds like you came in, like fully prepared. 03:54.380 --> 04:00.328 [SPEAKER_02]: This was spinning around in your brains for quite some time, but what was it like to actually go about and make a much longer piece? 04:01.209 --> 04:02.351 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're still doing it. 04:02.651 --> 04:03.152 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 04:04.330 --> 04:08.915 [SPEAKER_00]: we're in the last two weeks of the coloring now. 04:09.316 --> 04:15.863 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's definitely been much more of a marathon than anything else we've done. 04:15.923 --> 04:22.310 [SPEAKER_04]: I was also that thing of like talking to other people, we know who make comics and the right stuff. 04:22.330 --> 04:25.674 [SPEAKER_04]: We could don't do it the way a lot of other people do it. 04:25.694 --> 04:33.443 [SPEAKER_02]: No, tell us, yeah, it's really, you guys are like a true team, which is something you don't see as much in comics, I feel like. 04:34.132 --> 04:39.865 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, well, on that front, we always talk about ourselves as one cartoonist who can, yeah, must for hands. 04:40.026 --> 04:50.470 [SPEAKER_04]: Which is where the pet name came from, because Rostine isn't my legal name, but we couldn't think of a name for the website, and so eventually we just came up with, 04:50.450 --> 04:57.478 [SPEAKER_04]: Brantonstein, like Frankenstein, and like, well, I'm just making my last name to that for writing, so that we're Brantonstein now. 04:57.958 --> 04:59.320 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, can I ask a question? 04:59.340 --> 05:07.388 [SPEAKER_01]: This is very stupid, but every time we talk about one of your books on the stack, I'm always tempted to make the joke that Brantonstein is the artist actually, not the monster. 05:07.489 --> 05:08.910 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever gotten that before? 05:09.451 --> 05:10.011 [SPEAKER_02]: Get out of here. 05:11.213 --> 05:11.933 [SPEAKER_02]: Navin, actually. 05:12.554 --> 05:16.238 [SPEAKER_04]: And when he says tempted, he does it. 05:16.218 --> 05:19.825 [SPEAKER_04]: really did a newsletter that we titled Breton Stein's Monster. 05:20.045 --> 05:20.626 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, that's true. 05:21.408 --> 05:21.949 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's fun. 05:22.450 --> 05:29.743 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, so then before we even get to the writing, actually, when you are to a art, if you are sort of this four-handed monster, how do you handle it? 05:29.883 --> 05:35.794 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it like getting to a point to the page, like, oh, my wrist is hurting, I'll pass it over to you, or what actually is the process? 05:35.854 --> 05:36.235 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, 05:37.565 --> 05:38.826 [SPEAKER_00]: There is a lot of back and forth. 05:39.187 --> 05:43.791 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because we discuss what's going to happen together. 05:44.291 --> 05:44.572 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 05:45.052 --> 05:49.536 [SPEAKER_04]: They figure out the initial sort of layouts of stuff together, after the time. 05:49.877 --> 05:57.484 [SPEAKER_00]: Just sometimes, one of us might take the lead on labs, if we've got a clear revision, and then the other will come in and clean it up a bit. 05:57.504 --> 06:07.453 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's a very hand-off process all the way through, 06:08.125 --> 06:09.527 [SPEAKER_04]: fluid about who's doing what? 06:09.627 --> 06:13.293 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and then it gets to like sort of separate our interpensors and inks. 06:13.614 --> 06:18.822 [SPEAKER_04]: But a lot of it is like, when I'm when I'm doing the pencils, you will help me a lot. 06:19.262 --> 06:19.362 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 06:19.383 --> 06:21.285 [SPEAKER_04]: There's like, I can't make this work. 06:21.786 --> 06:22.067 [SPEAKER_04]: Help. 06:22.467 --> 06:24.210 [SPEAKER_04]: What am I, what is wrong with this? 06:24.330 --> 06:26.073 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how what the problem is. 06:26.193 --> 06:32.563 [SPEAKER_00]: So I end up like redoing certain bits of pencils even before they get to the inks or sometimes redraw them in the inks. 06:33.083 --> 06:39.936 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you sometimes end up going, oh, you may sometimes do this and redraw the in the in the coloring stage. 06:40.056 --> 06:43.522 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's yeah, it's there's a lot of back and forth. 06:43.823 --> 06:49.253 [SPEAKER_00]: It's something to be able to answer any of the elements purely belongs to one of us. 06:49.385 --> 06:59.698 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean to that point like I think Justin was getting at this as well, you don't, you don't normally see people that you can't tell when you're switching artists from page to page. 06:59.898 --> 07:07.007 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you just magically find, oh, we have the exact same style, did you meet somewhere in the middle at some point? 07:07.608 --> 07:12.614 [SPEAKER_01]: How did you actually find that place where it is so seamless when we're reading a book that has been drawn by you? 07:12.955 --> 07:14.937 [SPEAKER_01]: You have a two person house style. 07:15.068 --> 07:17.894 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it was never me meeting in the middle. 07:18.074 --> 07:20.258 [SPEAKER_00]: We came from very opposite ends of things. 07:20.319 --> 07:20.739 [SPEAKER_00]: Really? 07:21.020 --> 07:22.062 [SPEAKER_00]: That is so wild. 07:22.643 --> 07:26.331 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because I was, I initially wanted to be an animator. 07:26.992 --> 07:30.579 [SPEAKER_04]: I went, I, my first year at university, I was going to study animation. 07:30.599 --> 07:33.084 [SPEAKER_04]: And then I started doing it. 07:33.104 --> 07:36.030 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, this is hell. 07:36.010 --> 07:41.896 [SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be so the same, but ever so slightly different, I'm going to lose my mind. 07:42.297 --> 07:44.719 [SPEAKER_04]: But I really like the storyboarding part of it. 07:45.100 --> 07:52.668 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I found that there was a course in Wales to do comics, which was like, that's similar to storyboarding. 07:53.128 --> 07:54.650 [SPEAKER_04]: And you were already on that course. 07:54.750 --> 07:54.970 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 07:55.551 --> 07:56.312 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's where we met. 07:57.413 --> 08:00.516 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was coming in much more from like, kind of, you know, 08:01.272 --> 08:12.216 [SPEAKER_00]: being inspired by people like Stuart Eminem and stuff like that, and so we've ended up in a place where it's the boss to child of Glen Keen and Stuart Eminem, really. 08:13.298 --> 08:20.614 [SPEAKER_01]: Well then what does writing add into the mix, now that you're tackling that as well, or does it feel like just an extension of the same process? 08:21.539 --> 08:36.561 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's definitely the same process because like when we're doing because we're both obsessive about detail on every level which means like when we're plotting out worse man 08:37.250 --> 08:41.458 [SPEAKER_04]: We knew what every scene was going to be before we started writing the script. 08:41.918 --> 08:56.845 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like we, um, we, um, we, um, what did like everything from like plot diagramming to like studying, um, actually dissecting the exact pacing of romcoms and fasses and, um, 08:56.825 --> 09:03.453 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, we're looking for the underlying clockwork of them that makes them tick. 09:03.633 --> 09:07.217 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll tell you, it takes a lot longer to watch a movie when you're timing every scene. 09:08.980 --> 09:11.262 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, that is intense. 09:11.443 --> 09:12.924 [SPEAKER_02]: Your notes must be insane. 09:12.944 --> 09:14.927 [SPEAKER_02]: You said you have a lot of bullet point, a lot of bullet points. 09:15.107 --> 09:15.327 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 09:15.367 --> 09:20.974 [SPEAKER_02]: But you're like being like, this should take about this far scene is 45 seconds. 09:20.994 --> 09:22.656 [SPEAKER_02]: We want this to feel that same way. 09:22.696 --> 09:23.457 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that what you're doing? 09:23.437 --> 09:33.143 [SPEAKER_04]: We literally took one movie and we basically saw how many minutes it was. 09:33.241 --> 09:36.706 [SPEAKER_04]: and counted how long each scene was. 09:36.726 --> 09:40.531 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, oh, these scenes are about this long, so that will translate to this many pages. 09:41.052 --> 09:43.315 [SPEAKER_04]: Just see what kind of page seeing that works. 09:43.335 --> 09:43.555 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. 09:44.596 --> 09:47.520 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think you're getting towards this, and I'm sure you're aware. 09:47.600 --> 09:51.165 [SPEAKER_01]: But comics very famously, you could read them at your own pace. 09:51.285 --> 09:59.957 [SPEAKER_01]: So how do you, as creators, then control the reader in a way to make sure they're moving at the pace you need the to move at? 09:59.937 --> 10:00.778 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, paneling. 10:01.018 --> 10:10.628 [SPEAKER_00]: It's all in panel choices and we're very careful about the way any given moment to split up. 10:13.511 --> 10:29.488 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not light on paneling because we want to make sure that every single moment 10:29.536 --> 10:36.964 [SPEAKER_00]: roughly about the speed that we wanted to because no panel has anything extraneous to what it should be. 10:37.805 --> 10:38.446 [SPEAKER_00]: reading us. 10:39.808 --> 10:50.705 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you find, since you are now doing both, that you lean into the art differently because you're the ones who are controlling the dialogue? 10:50.745 --> 10:58.817 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, first is the writer saying, you know, writing 5,000 words that you having to explain, you got to cut that down a little bit so we could see you had heads in here. 10:59.418 --> 11:03.023 [SPEAKER_01]: You could actually control the spacing there a little bit better. 11:03.143 --> 11:04.926 [SPEAKER_01]: Does that change things at all? 11:05.463 --> 11:33.799 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've roomed a script very much with the visuals in mind to make sure that, like, so, again, but when we're working with other writers, one thing we'll do before we do anything else is go through and count all of the dialogue words per page, broken down in, like, per balloon, per panel, so that we can, like, we've got a rough idea of what sort of spaces we're working with, and so we could apply that on the front end, this time round. 11:34.403 --> 11:44.683 [SPEAKER_00]: name for like high-professional dialogue that doesn't have anything we don't need to be saying at that point and then we'll figure it out around that 11:45.035 --> 12:12.561 [SPEAKER_04]: That's actually because we were completely in control of it week when we were doing layouts sometimes was like well the scene is the same scene it's like oh this tone it's not quite anything the right tone of what we were going for so we might read dialogue get a bit for a slight change in mood so it's got we know exactly why this happened but possibly people are reacting slightly differently to it it was like we can do that because like 12:12.541 --> 12:14.624 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, no one's gonna tell us now. 12:14.644 --> 12:38.979 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's why it's to be what a technical, a visual first, it sounds like, and then a technical like not, nuts and bolts way of approaching the writing, almost coming at it at the end, and I will say like a lot of times writers, it's like you write and then you add it down, but it sounds like you guys are so precise, you knew sort of at the exact chunk you're looking for, and you're just swapping words, is that right? 12:38.999 --> 12:40.101 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, like, 12:40.081 --> 12:49.997 [SPEAKER_00]: But when we when we finished the first draft, it was the exact number of pages that the editors have had asked for, like, because they liked the book. 12:50.017 --> 12:53.783 [SPEAKER_00]: And in that way, like, we weren't one consciously going, right, we're going to be careful. 12:54.505 --> 12:56.087 [SPEAKER_04]: It's because we did sort of make this planning. 12:56.107 --> 12:59.052 [SPEAKER_04]: No, these scenes need to be this long as well. 12:59.234 --> 13:01.518 [SPEAKER_04]: Yep, this is actually exactly what they are. 13:01.979 --> 13:02.519 [SPEAKER_02]: They did. 13:02.560 --> 13:06.386 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, we didn't plan, except we planned every single second. 13:07.347 --> 13:07.508 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 13:07.528 --> 13:11.154 [SPEAKER_00]: We did, but then like, when we were writing, we was like, we'll just write it out, see how it goes. 13:11.514 --> 13:14.620 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we ended up, oh, well, the last page is 228. 13:14.800 --> 13:16.703 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, wait, wait, wait, good. 13:17.712 --> 13:22.159 [SPEAKER_01]: Talk to you a little bit about the content of the book rather than the creation. 13:22.319 --> 13:29.190 [SPEAKER_01]: One fun aspect of this is this is a outwardly and very openly gay, caper, rom-com, romance going on. 13:29.630 --> 13:37.562 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there was a time, I would say even back when we first started doing this podcast and we were doing it as a live show we've been doing it for like about 20 years at this point. 13:38.163 --> 13:45.795 [SPEAKER_01]: There was, you had to be in this mode of like, this is a very serious LGBTQ plus book about my real experience and that's it. 13:45.910 --> 13:53.316 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you feel like the industry has turned enough, even as the world is going to some pretty horrible places where it allows for storytelling like this? 13:54.898 --> 13:55.938 [SPEAKER_04]: I honestly don't know. 13:55.979 --> 13:56.919 [SPEAKER_01]: Was that an Arab song? 13:56.939 --> 13:58.821 [SPEAKER_04]: We hope so. 13:58.841 --> 13:59.622 [SPEAKER_04]: What was that thing of that? 13:59.642 --> 14:06.808 [SPEAKER_04]: Because there are so many serious stories about LGBTQ experiences and stuff. 14:06.828 --> 14:08.829 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, well, why don't they get any fun rom-coms? 14:08.889 --> 14:10.911 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, why can't they have? 14:11.772 --> 14:14.074 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we like, yeah, we all quit. 14:14.094 --> 14:15.495 [SPEAKER_00]: And we like rom-coms. 14:17.078 --> 14:18.260 [SPEAKER_00]: that should be some. 14:19.282 --> 14:21.826 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 14:21.846 --> 14:27.094 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, this is not to slag off anybody or anything like that, but I feel like that was one of the previous books. 14:27.155 --> 14:31.301 [SPEAKER_00]: The series maybe is a really fantastic and very worth having. 14:31.341 --> 14:32.303 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, 14:32.738 --> 14:57.565 [SPEAKER_00]: why not both also why just not fair serious people no right I mean we describe ourselves as we'd scrolls out as clowns like this book is a teaser as much as anything else is a love letter to clowning because it is completely ludicrous and over the top and classical and melodramatic but it's a baroque series emotions 14:57.983 --> 15:17.157 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, and also I feel like it opens up, you just so many story points like to have like a best man worse man romance like no that hasn't really I haven't heard that before because people just didn't tell those stories and now you get the chance to tell this awesome exciting version of that that has all these elements and you can push it into this like wild, far-cycle place. 15:17.896 --> 15:26.724 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it, you know, it's coming out pretty well for something that like started off with just like one day, just talking on the dog walk. 15:26.744 --> 15:29.887 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're talking about, we're like, why isn't there a worst man? 15:30.448 --> 15:32.550 [SPEAKER_00]: And then that was it. 15:32.570 --> 15:35.292 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it all came from that. 15:35.312 --> 15:39.216 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it's the worst of our days come from walk in the talk. 15:39.236 --> 15:41.338 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's great writing tool. 15:41.938 --> 15:46.823 [SPEAKER_02]: I've been, I've been the worst man in a lot of weddings, so I will. 15:47.022 --> 15:56.013 [SPEAKER_01]: there is a line and maybe this is just a press release line, maybe this doesn't come for you, but stood out at the thing that they initially set with the preview a couple of months back. 15:56.834 --> 16:04.563 [SPEAKER_01]: But that worst man is all the best things about reading one more chapter of your favorite fan fiction wrapped up in 228 pages. 16:05.944 --> 16:07.787 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you read fan fiction? 16:07.907 --> 16:10.650 [SPEAKER_01]: And if so, what are you into? 16:11.761 --> 16:25.872 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't have the time, but I used to read a lot of, especially as a teenager, I grew up reading a lot of fan friction because, well, I had nothing else to do, so if I'm going to drop me a library and I'd just be like, 16:26.273 --> 16:27.235 [SPEAKER_04]: This is aging me. 16:27.435 --> 16:32.744 [SPEAKER_04]: I would save stuff onto floppy disks to take home to read. 16:33.525 --> 16:34.086 [SPEAKER_04]: Wow. 16:34.146 --> 16:35.088 [SPEAKER_04]: Because it's like, wow. 16:35.909 --> 16:40.817 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, there's such a you thing to go to the library and use it for the internet to read fan fiction. 16:41.739 --> 16:44.082 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you in the library reading books. 16:45.705 --> 16:48.670 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not very different parents. 16:49.173 --> 16:57.102 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, which is not an auction, can I do her and enjoy myself, but it's just, it is very funny to specifically be getting at the library. 16:58.864 --> 17:04.711 [SPEAKER_01]: I do want to ask you, just take a little bit of a swerve about an entirely different project that came out almost a year ago. 17:04.751 --> 17:08.236 [SPEAKER_01]: Now that I want to couch this in, I loved. 17:09.077 --> 17:13.662 [SPEAKER_01]: But God, some awesome controversy on mine, you did the art really. 17:13.642 --> 17:40.071 [SPEAKER_01]: a Harley Quinn fartacular the scratching stick issue which again I would have besides I thought was great and I was very positive on our podcast yes I'd never tell everybody like I don't want to shave anybody but you're being stupid if you're getting I agree about this book because books should be silly or what was it like from your end when that came out I mean the difference with them yeah that's so crazy 17:40.220 --> 17:43.406 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we had a couple, uh, Jerome got worse. 17:43.426 --> 17:43.787 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah. 17:44.688 --> 17:45.410 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 17:45.430 --> 17:48.275 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think we get, we get off quite lightly with that sort of thing. 17:48.355 --> 17:49.958 [SPEAKER_00]: Because we're a joint entity. 17:49.978 --> 17:51.761 [SPEAKER_00]: People don't really know how to approach us. 17:52.503 --> 17:55.829 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it saves us from a lot of hate, a lot of hate mail. 17:55.849 --> 17:58.654 [SPEAKER_00]: Because people just, this sort of people get really angry about these things. 17:58.674 --> 18:02.802 [SPEAKER_00]: They're also dumb enough to get too confused to really threaten us properly. 18:03.423 --> 18:04.126 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so sorry. 18:04.146 --> 18:04.628 [SPEAKER_01]: That happened. 18:04.689 --> 18:05.412 [SPEAKER_01]: That is it. 18:07.601 --> 18:10.775 [SPEAKER_04]: About our Facebook, but yeah. 18:11.338 --> 18:13.467 [SPEAKER_04]: So many people thought it was a fetish book. 18:13.953 --> 18:14.394 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 18:14.414 --> 18:19.522 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I was like, hey, if we were going to be doing a fetish book, we'd go for the furries, that's why the money is. 18:20.163 --> 18:21.706 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know what to say. 18:21.726 --> 18:22.367 [SPEAKER_04]: Great answer. 18:23.970 --> 18:27.275 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was just that really kind of neopuritan thing, isn't it? 18:27.576 --> 18:28.858 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't like this. 18:29.179 --> 18:31.883 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't understand why people are putting effort into it. 18:32.324 --> 18:34.027 [SPEAKER_00]: Which means they must be doing it for sex. 18:34.107 --> 18:38.374 [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing that I'm motivated by, because I'm horny and repressed. 18:38.354 --> 18:38.775 [SPEAKER_00]: It was very weird. 18:38.795 --> 18:40.077 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a terrible change of logic. 18:40.097 --> 18:42.721 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people thought that one was like, when we were approached to do it, that didn't occur to me. 18:42.941 --> 19:07.197 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party party 19:07.598 --> 19:08.599 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's about to fall. 19:08.639 --> 19:09.400 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to join him? 19:09.601 --> 19:10.181 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 19:10.201 --> 19:11.082 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be great. 19:11.102 --> 19:12.764 [SPEAKER_02]: And sure, there will be death threats. 19:12.845 --> 19:14.387 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a fun one. 19:14.407 --> 19:14.927 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for real. 19:14.947 --> 19:15.208 [SPEAKER_02]: But. 19:16.609 --> 19:17.170 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God. 19:17.310 --> 19:19.293 [SPEAKER_01]: That is not what I necessarily expect. 19:19.313 --> 19:20.554 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sorry you went through that. 19:20.975 --> 19:21.716 [SPEAKER_01]: And it is crazy. 19:21.736 --> 19:26.382 [SPEAKER_01]: Because for anybody who is listening, who has it read the book, it is very funny. 19:26.782 --> 19:28.965 [SPEAKER_01]: It is packed with so many puns. 19:29.365 --> 19:30.827 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's also really sweet. 19:31.007 --> 19:34.652 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's a very sweet book about Harley and Ivy's relationship. 19:34.733 --> 19:59.188 [SPEAKER_00]: which is another thing why I suspect it falls a foul of a lot of them modern conservatives because it's all right it's talking about vulnerability and openness in relationships which isn't great for them yeah it's not their milieu you could say no exactly so like yeah it's very in hindsight it's very easy to see why it pissed off the people that did but 19:59.607 --> 20:03.174 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, not to, hopefully, this is not a little thing for me. 20:03.194 --> 20:05.057 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, not, hopefully, this is not picking it up. 20:05.117 --> 20:05.598 [SPEAKER_01]: We would die. 20:05.618 --> 20:11.469 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually curious, like, when you're driving these bits, you draw so many parts of different types of parts of there. 20:11.910 --> 20:14.134 [SPEAKER_01]: Was there anything that you got notes from DC? 20:14.174 --> 20:16.158 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's a little too much. 20:16.258 --> 20:18.021 [SPEAKER_01]: That cloud is too big, got this big. 20:18.041 --> 20:18.202 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 20:19.584 --> 20:20.246 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no. 20:20.566 --> 20:23.151 [SPEAKER_00]: We mostly go old caps enthusiasm. 20:25.072 --> 20:25.974 [SPEAKER_00]: It's great. 20:26.314 --> 20:41.022 [SPEAKER_00]: I like we thought actually when we pitched the cover that they ended up picking we thought that was going too far And it turned out that that was the one they liked the most and did you know did you know the cover was gonna be scratched in the sniff when you drew it? 20:41.356 --> 20:42.860 [SPEAKER_04]: The cover scratch and sniff. 20:43.121 --> 20:44.304 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe so, isn't it? 20:44.324 --> 20:45.006 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 20:45.026 --> 20:46.810 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how to scratch and sniff as well. 20:47.211 --> 20:48.214 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a fake smell. 20:48.395 --> 20:49.578 [SPEAKER_00]: I could be like a lot. 20:49.758 --> 20:50.460 [SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense. 20:50.861 --> 20:53.227 [SPEAKER_00]: But nobody will be able to do that, but no. 20:53.247 --> 20:53.308 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 20:53.328 --> 20:53.649 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 20:53.709 --> 20:55.694 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's breaking news, I guess. 20:55.734 --> 20:56.496 [SPEAKER_01]: There's. 20:58.096 --> 21:18.687 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... well again sorry went through that that steaks uh... just a good really good uh... that was an accident that was an accident uh... i will take credit when i i could get it but that was not not going getting back to worst bad though i just started to wrap up a little bit as you are getting towards the finish line in terms of 21:18.667 --> 21:19.168 [SPEAKER_01]: pretty good. 21:19.689 --> 21:20.831 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you want to tease about the book? 21:20.871 --> 21:31.512 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously we've talked a lot about the content, but anything people should know if they are looking forward to pre-ordering and before it comes out in August. 21:31.559 --> 21:35.544 [SPEAKER_00]: It's for people who love love, who love comedy. 21:36.866 --> 21:39.850 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very much designed. 21:39.990 --> 21:52.907 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, Brigham Beckster, kind of like, you know, the fanfiction thing, is very much designed around certain, not like, to be like fanfiction, but are designed around similar DNA of that, like, a very friction filled relationship. 21:53.007 --> 22:01.498 [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, lots of aggressive sexual tension back and forth. 22:03.267 --> 22:09.053 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's got a, you know, a really large cast of ridiculous people. 22:09.414 --> 22:10.014 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 22:10.034 --> 22:10.315 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 22:10.615 --> 22:25.892 [SPEAKER_00]: It's got an incredibly buffed bear and a skinny twink going, you know, going at it all while being kind of evenly sneered at by a cruel power dome mobly. 22:26.172 --> 22:27.233 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, 22:30.503 --> 22:45.140 [SPEAKER_02]: And we didn't really talk too much about, I mean that people know your style a bit, but like the colors are so bright and engaging it feels just like every page feels like, oh, I got to keep going you accelerate through it as opposed to getting caught up because it's just has such a vibrancy to it. 22:45.781 --> 22:46.301 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. 22:46.321 --> 22:47.062 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really awesome. 22:47.843 --> 22:51.827 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, like the whole thing was designed to be propulsive in the way. 22:51.848 --> 22:54.030 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's raised there. 22:54.753 --> 23:01.185 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, from the intense number of panels per page, which we regret it. 23:01.706 --> 23:03.610 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but it really works. 23:03.670 --> 23:11.064 [SPEAKER_02]: And obviously, I didn't think this at first, but when you talk about how much farce you were starting with when you're working on this, that feels like the engine of it. 23:11.124 --> 23:15.132 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that's the pace that you so meticulously put together for this? 23:15.573 --> 23:17.436 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, built around that, it's cool. 23:17.618 --> 23:34.707 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and like so, I mean, you guys have read the first 70 odd pages, so you're almost at the end of the, you've always read at the end of the set up of, in the way the fastest out, I think it's fast, I think celery, so, yeah, but even this is like it moves and that's great. 23:35.028 --> 23:37.652 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and your character, I mean, 23:37.632 --> 23:54.375 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like especially like some of the early some of the scenes in the first empty pages are the longest we've got so the fact that it still feels like it's really moving when like almost all the scenes after where you've read are like two to three pages at most. 23:54.355 --> 23:56.259 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, now it totally works. 23:56.540 --> 23:57.843 [SPEAKER_01]: It is a ton of fun. 23:57.903 --> 24:00.348 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody should pre-order it and it pick it up. 24:00.469 --> 24:03.074 [SPEAKER_01]: Prantid style and you truly are not the monster. 24:03.135 --> 24:05.660 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for coming on in the podcast. 24:05.680 --> 24:06.682 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much for having me. 24:06.703 --> 24:07.204 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. 24:07.404 --> 24:14.119 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. 24:29.489 --> 24:49.692 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's just turn back to number one Let's just turn back to number one Let's just turn back to number one Let's just turn back to number one Let's just turn back to number one 24:57.856 --> 25:11.865 [SPEAKER_03]: They sit on crappy gadgets, and they let us see my milk And he's just a monkey, they're like fast, they're so fast, they're so fast So grab your ring, hammer, don't be late, boy