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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey there folks, my name is Ian Lennstein and welcome to episode 278 of Comic Timing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gotta get used to it being like light out when I'm recording these days and so it's a real change of pace here, but very, very happy to have that on for the first time in way too freaking long.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of my favorite power-ranger pals, the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the one in the
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's up, man?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm, I'm bummed man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm bummed.
[SPEAKER_03]: They took my freaking power ranges.
[SPEAKER_03]: You just reminded me, too, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: It took power ranges like off dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, no, you can't even get, like, they even changed the super scintide now, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you can't even get that man.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like, it's the end of an era, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm telling you, it's just,
[SPEAKER_03]: Some kind of way.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how it happened, but some kind of way, my son is always talking about this.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's always like, oh, man, you shouldn't say this, but I'ma say it, mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Say it, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: We ended up in a bad timeline, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: with some type of like, like, energy converters and we could lie with it with the bad timeline and we are there.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what we are in.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're what Troy with the pizza's from community.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, everything's on fire, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything's on fire.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I don't know, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have how you go have a reality without power ranges at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, look, we're getting there, though, because I mean, they've been working on like reboots and shit like that, and I know Nickelodeon, even Nickelodeon or Netflix, I forget who even has the rights anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: Might even be Disney+.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're working on something power ranges related.
[SPEAKER_02]: Super Sentai is like a name change more than anything else, basically get out of the Sepon contract.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's still got to happen in Japan.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just super-set-tion itself is quote unquote retired for now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I mean, I got, I'm looking at that the space share of Gavon stuff looks cool and over there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, the, I think Disney Plus is licensing it out from Hasbro, because Hasbro water from Sabon.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, it's, we'll see what happens, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: As long as they just like,
[SPEAKER_03]: Power Rangers needs to have its own flavor.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it shouldn't be, I feel like it should always reflect the culture it came from, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it needs to have that supersyntine type of feel.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you try to make power Rangers too,
[SPEAKER_03]: to Western.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like it falls apart.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's just being a pale impression of Marble and DC, just with, you know, mechels and, and, and, and, and Kiyah, you know, and so it's a very specific superhero that is, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, your Eastern influence, you know, Eastern design brought over to the West and like you can't like you said you can't you can't super hero Americanize it too much Or else it would really feels like you're just trying to you know capitalize on the MCU and it was all the flavor
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly, you know, it's kind of like I look at it like, um, the reason why people like to see, um, the, um, the, um, the Super Sentai version of Spider-Man making appearance in a Spider-Man Marvel comic.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's because he brings that type of Super Sentai flavor into a Marvel comic.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like you just see two Peter Parker's just standing next to each other just talking.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a different culture like like like you
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: You just can't, you can't just try and change it just because, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you get to say, supida bond, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, I think you not want to say supida, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Little portal, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't, you know, you just can't.
[SPEAKER_03]: been met the phone down, you cannot like take that away.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't take those things away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we had Julia, we had Julia not a couple episodes ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were talking about Super Sentai.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was basically in the same belt.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, man, you can never stop the Super Sentai.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could change the name.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can change where you find it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could change where it's at.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's always going to exist in one form or another.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at the same time, the West is then going to have to find it again in one form or another.
[SPEAKER_02]: you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just so speaking of a Justin man, I mean, hey, guess what?
[SPEAKER_02]: I just explained your career because you're like, like, like, you've, you've, you've, you've gone, you've got every single direction with, uh, with, uh, with the Toshigawa universe man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you've got, you've gotten comics, you've gotten, uh, now motion comics, like, you're, you're in the YouTube space now, like, you're, you're trying to
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, get it going all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's been a while since you've been on comic timing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you want to maybe like level set here and let folks know like your beginnings and where you're at now, like let them know about the history of, you know, the Jedi universe, what I'm know about where you started, like let's, let's, let's, let's start at the very beginning.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, um, so for me, um, I started with the, the, the universe that I'm, that I would be the, the Toshikawa universe that I'm working on just kind of started with a senior project.
[SPEAKER_03]: So when I was in college, I was going to school for graphic design at the University of Memphis.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um um, um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um
[SPEAKER_03]: my senior problem project had to be something that I could actually promote create and actually start a career on it, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: So you have to take that from a year for a whole year.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, to some masters, you had to develop it and at the end, you had to present it to the faculty and staff.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, and they graded you on it on past a fail.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I mean, that's your senior project.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was really tough.
[SPEAKER_03]: And my senior project was a book.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was my, it was Jetta tells her to touch go up.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, um,
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I promoted it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I made a animation centered around it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I made toys around it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I made point of purchases as well as at the time wizard magazine ads.
[SPEAKER_03]: So.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh man, oh, you're bringing me back here bringing me back, so it was a whole wizard magazine and and like as if they were had be the story on the stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was really cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wish I could find that stuff too.
[SPEAKER_03]: But so after that, I just kind of took the idea and kind of started kind of
[SPEAKER_03]: with cardboard ends and shoelaces, essentially, you know what I mean, and then eventually I found a publisher with that book, that book right there, a publisher called Shooting Star and 98.
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, was it going to be eight or two thousand or two thousand and one, four, I can't remember but it was early, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so they came out with that book, which is the first graphic novel and then after that shooting star went under, they were mostly doing anthologies and our book was like the first one that wasn't anthology.
[SPEAKER_03]: After that, I took it back and had been publishing it in one way or the other ever since.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fast forward to about a few years ago, we decided to kind of reboot the series.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because we had left it behind for a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: We ended up doing should no-be ninja princess.
[SPEAKER_03]: with action lab.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was just that was still in the touch of God universe, but it was actually like her being younger.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was an idea that I had like years and years and years ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so it was her being younger and her exploits more all ages, but then we wanted to be able to reboot the series to kind of be able to bring it up to date, you know, because the old series was like
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know what I'm saying and you know the kids need to go look at 90s anime So they don't understand what I mean about a different so oh, please yeah, I mean even looking at you know Dragon Ball Z versus Dragon Ball Super or you can see you see the right It's been so the changes are not even yeah exactly so it was a lot 90s anime I was really inspired by black and white comics.
[SPEAKER_03]: I still am and I really loved that But now the technology had caught up to where it wasn't so exciting
[SPEAKER_03]: anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, man, let's do it in color and we ended up doing the new book and we started over with last chances and defiance and harbinger and now rain.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that's that's pretty much up to, you know, long story short.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is up to speed where we are right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you, I mean, you really are kind of following the the anime reboot way of it all because I mean, if you look at, you know, Netflix now like run, but just freaking rebooted after after all these years, you know, like it's one of those things that like just consistently happens with IPs to keep it fresh and now here you are basically falling suit.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I want to think that I really believe in is that especially after we did the younger version is that we really, you really, you don't want to age your story out so much.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that like, when I especially when I was younger and I was reading comics, I didn't really think about the next generation.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't think about the generation before I thought about what was cool right now, you know what I'm saying, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I never thought about real, real longevity.
[SPEAKER_03]: Real longevity is when you can appeal to generations.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: Not just your generation.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was a, when we did Shinobi Ninja Princess, there was something about being able to meet kids, talk to kids, about stories, saying kids, you know, in bookstores and
[SPEAKER_03]: reading the book and being able to know that those kids are one day going to grow up and they're going to want to figure out what happens to that character.
[SPEAKER_03]: a little bit later on.
[SPEAKER_03]: And when they do, they're going to have to refer to the 90s book.
[SPEAKER_03]: It knows to didn't fit.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, kind of like, you know, let's grow up with these kids, man, as opposed to like, you know, saying as opposed to like having them having them go back in time and then have to refix their brain through a different time in a different way of thinking than what they know, let's let's grow up with these kids.
[SPEAKER_03]: So let's reboot.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's an interesting conundrum as well because in today's world, my wife works in school, she tells me a lot of time that kids don't read the way that they used to.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's harder, it's harder for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, if you give them properties that basically appeal to them,
[SPEAKER_02]: appeal to the audience that they are looking for that you then you will find it and it's not it's not always going to be just your typical superhero stuff That they're going to go towards even as a young kid, you know that they're going to they're going to look for ninjas because ninjas are always freaking cool like when whether you like
[SPEAKER_02]: it or not, like ninjas are always theirs or reason why teams, but Ninja Turtles have been that ubiquitous property that just continues to be there because they have war for Ninja and that's all you're looking for.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you've got that same opportunity here, you've got that ground for of a property with that Asian aesthetic that you're going for, but also something uniquely you that you can very much get into the hands of younger readers if you have the
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I just, like I said, I, and bottom line is is just I want to be able to have fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have all these stories that I had in mind, you know, that kind of stuff and I just want to be able to get them out and get them get people to be able to read.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's that's the whole thing is like getting people to be able to read, you know, quick second sit down, that's read a book, you know what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's read a comment, you know, I mean, or
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, graphic novel, you know, or something like that, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the big thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing that I want to be able to do the most, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: And to have the time, then when you think about it, when you have a kid or don't, you know how life gets, life is just crazy, but if you're able to get them invested, man, that is like huge accomplishment.
[SPEAKER_03]: especially if they're invested in your characters and what happens to them their life and they're they're willing to wait and figure out where this story is going.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a huge accomplishment, man, and I'm here for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's part of the
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the comic book experience, that is, it's not unique, but it has a unique type of relationship with the reader that I think that is not capitalized on enough.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you're absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And don't be afraid to hit every single type of medium that you can possibly hit.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you've got your physical copies, you've got your digital copies, you've got your motion comics, what you're what you're aiming for here as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, get it into the the space as much as possible and get people as many ways as possible to see and and and experience your property.
[SPEAKER_03]: right right right and you know that's you hit it you hit it on the head like I think the biggest gift one of the biggest gifts other than just being a cool kid and one of the biggest gifts that my son gave to me is that I get a chance to see exactly how he how he really relates to media he relates to to manga because he loves manga oh yeah
[SPEAKER_03]: He likes comics, but he came in a comics a completely different way, sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: He came in a comics by reading by playing Marvel Rivals.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he plays Marvel Rivals.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he liked, I will take this back.
[SPEAKER_03]: He loved the, um, the, um,
[SPEAKER_03]: Marvel Marvel movies.
[SPEAKER_03]: He loves Marvel movies.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he loves um, and by that when it came up with Marvel rivals, he was like, hey, that's cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he started playing Marvel rivals.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that got him into the coming.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it was completely different than mine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mine was comic first cartoon second.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it was that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: And um, being able
[SPEAKER_03]: to get him, you see him get into things like that, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: And the way he gets into things like that, man, that's inspiring.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that actually is like one of the things that was like, man, I can do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go back to this college thing that I did when I did the animation of my own man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can I can do some animation too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go see let's see what we can do with that you know sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and and I mean the way the way you've described it in the past is kind of true like you know it started off as you know
[SPEAKER_02]: And I do have similar to, I mean, you call it a motion comic, but like it is pretty damn close to full fledge automation, like it's it's it's it's it's a little bit more involved than say, like, you know, those those primordial motion topics that we had were like some things barely move, but it was basically the same comic you were reading before, you know, like it's way more right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It adds a nut.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, um, I underestimated how much I was going to have to redraw stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, okay, so I have, yeah, yeah, it is a lot more involved, you know, especially the fact that we have voice actors as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, every character has a voice actor, like I'm even hidden in there as well as a voice actor, of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like every character, every character has been cast, they, and the cast is awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: They all came from like video games and they, some of them even have work for like crunchy roll
[SPEAKER_03]: You know bigger anime productions and things like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and they are all like, you know, it's it's a daunting task.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are all looking at me being like, hey man, what do you want?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just like, oh y'all sound cool as it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like I get to I get to dictate this like okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, no, all right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, um, but um, but yeah, man, I like like, yeah, it's it's a it's a huge, huge undertaking and it's completely different from the comic.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even though I do want the experience to be
[SPEAKER_03]: not one to one but I want the experience to be like if you sit down and you have the comic you can actually follow along but they're a different beats you know what I mean they're a different dialogue sometimes there's sometimes there's more explanation in a scene than it's in the comic and things like that so
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man, but that's that's that's part of the that's part of the experience more than anything else.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like getting getting some, you know, extra, extra, you know, scenes and and different angles and different experiences and stuff like that, because that that's what animation brings to the forefront, as opposed to static images that you get to get a little bit more of storytelling in that process.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that makes perfect sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like, I just want to, and I want to be able to enhance the book not take away from it, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so that the big, the big thing that we wanted to do like I said is to be able to give people into the comic book or or or into the graphic novel or into the story, we want you to be able to get into the story.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if that means that your way of getting into the story is waiting for episode two, three and four.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, if you're way of getting into the story is like, Oh, snap.
[SPEAKER_03]: I read this as a kid, and I want to continue this adventure, that's great too, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: But if your thing is, it's like, hey, I just love the graphic novel, go for it, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all the same experience, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: So how did you go about finding these voice actors, man?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, was it a, what, like, did you have to, like, sign up with an agency or, or was this all like, like, you just contacting people and hoping that they be interested?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, one of my friends, she used to live here in town and I was helping her.
[SPEAKER_03]: She, she, the main actress that plays Jetta in the, um, her name is Maria Amelia Park.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we, I was helping her with her.
[SPEAKER_03]: She wants to do a motion comic and she had gotten the cast together.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she was, she had already been, she's already been in the space.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's in the space for, she's been in the space for eight long time doing voice acting.
[SPEAKER_03]: And for video games.
[SPEAKER_03]: and anime, she's been part of, she's been doing this for a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, but she took a break and then she was coming back and she was like, hey, I wanna do this motion comment thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, all right, cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was kind of coaching and saying, hey, these are some ways you could be able to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, things like that and this is cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: What about this?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: And she was like, man, you got some good ideas.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why don't you just do one for yourself?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, not, I don't want to.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, because the reason why I didn't want to, because I was like, I have to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going, I knew it was going to be a lot of work because I have a tendency to be like, oh, wouldn't this be cool?
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I just re-draw a whole entire thing and then you
[SPEAKER_03]: It's mad at me for like three days, but he wants stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was like nah, she was like man, he'll be really cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, well, I don't wanna do all the voices.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't do a jet of voice.
[SPEAKER_03]: She was like, I don't do the jet of voice.
[SPEAKER_03]: She was like, I was like, okay, well cool, that'd be cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's a wide cast, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not gonna do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: She was like, let me put out a cast and call.
[SPEAKER_03]: So she put out a casting, casting call for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, um, man, we got, I didn't even check, like, I didn't even check.
[SPEAKER_03]: She was, and she, the next week she was like, you know, look, listen to these guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, dang, who are these folks, man?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, so we picked our cast from that from from an odd from auditions, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I mean, and some of them are completely new to the game.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then some of them are like veterans, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's just really cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's cool that they jump in.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're so willing to kind of be a part of something that is completely new, man, and completely fresh.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that was my thing, it's just like, who's going to want to take the time for to be a part of something that's new with a new director?
[SPEAKER_02]: And a new, a new quote on quote, new art, you know, I'm saying, yeah, no, no, absolutely, but like, I mean, one thing, I mean, I, you know, I've known, I've known you for years, so I notice about you and the listeners will notice about you now is like, you know, you're about, you're as much of a nerd about this as as anybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: like when it comes to animation and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like actually being able to be there on the ground floor and watching your work evolve into an animated project like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, not only is it a dream come true, but like you must have been like trying to have to like contain your your nerding out as much as as much as anybody just even as a director, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will say like because because I didn't work completely by myself on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like this for episode one, we're currently, we're currently in production for episode two.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so one, I had, I had two interns that I had.
[SPEAKER_03]: One of them I had taught when he was like really, really little and he went to France for animation.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he came back to me and was like, hey,
[SPEAKER_03]: who wanted to enter as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I had two interns helping me do like St. breakdowns.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I also had a company out in from in India, who I have a friend that worked.
[SPEAKER_03]: He started his own company in India called Incredimate Studio.
[SPEAKER_03]: Talk about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: between us four, essentially us, the four entities, we actually were able to do some really incredible animations and things like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, being able to to kind of, as I started to see those things come together and see animation come in, and I'll see like the animatic come in from Lori who was one of the,
[SPEAKER_03]: The interns and then I would either take it or incretemate would take it and we would complete the animated and send it back to her and look at it and stuff As I'm looking at that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm I'm freaking out and then You know, I'm trying to be able to be professional and stuff when I'm talking to the voice actor You know, and all that kind of stuff, but in the background, I'm like dang that
[SPEAKER_03]: This is going to look really cool man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't wait to just see this put to get like a as a fan man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just like man.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is kind of cool to be able to just see this be put together and see how it comes together.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean that's like 20 years of podcasting as taught be like, you know, there's there's nerding out at people that you get a chance to talk to and then there's having to remain professional and actually sound like
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got to have like both like both levels to it and balance it accordingly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise you sound like that to excuse me But you know in issue 3 he had a red head to do you supposed to have a green head You got to avoid that shit as much as possible man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like yeah, man I'm like I try to do that like one of my well
[SPEAKER_03]: One of my voice actors, he told me not to say, tell, talk too much about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But one of my voice actors is related to a famous rapper.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he didn't tell me, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't tell me until after production of the first episode was over, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was like, yeah, man, I saw blah, blah, blah, at Thanksgiving dinner.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we were talking, it was just all of us like it was all of us talking.
[SPEAKER_03]: there we have first watch the first episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just like, I stopped for a second.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I looked at Janet and Janet was like, looking at me, she was like, he just said what he said?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what I'm gonna put up.
[SPEAKER_03]: What'd you say?
[SPEAKER_03]: Would you say he did what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who was there at Thanksgiving?
[SPEAKER_03]: Go on.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, hey, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that was, oh my god.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, trying to be like, oh my gosh, man, what, you know, so stuff like that, man, yeah, yeah, I feel it, I feel it, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was, I was at, I was at Oscar Party a couple of days ago and we were, we were hanging out with, with like a friend of ours and should just like randomly drops like, oh, oh, oh, yeah, you know, there's, there's a, there's a movie coming out soon and, and I, you know, my, my friend directed it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you want to go, I don't like, wait a minute, your friends with a Hollywood director.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, okay, sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, when stuff like that, just straight up gets dropped.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're sharing drinks in Manhattan watching, watching the Academy Awards on a TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you drop news like this on me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, all right, fine, whatever, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what you tell me is we could probably be there instead of being right exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's the thrill of it, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like like getting to watch your, your, you know, your thing developed and and be there on the ground for and and really just like get to experience it from from from jump, you know, from from beginning to end and just see how it turns out.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's got to be like no better feeling in the world to actually watch something be completed, you know, and out there for people to enjoy, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: One, it's, it's, it's, it's really fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's fun, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: It take, like I said, it takes you away from, you know, like we were talking about before, it takes you away, you know, it takes you back to that creative space.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And especially when everybody is vibe in together, and you have, oh,
[SPEAKER_03]: a really really great cohesive creative team man it takes you back to that creative space that is you know it's calming in a turbulent society man you know I'm saying yeah it makes you very aware that there's something more than just having to
[SPEAKER_03]: to compete and sail and deal and stuff like that, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: There's more to it, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell the listeners a little bit about the story of the motion comic, just so they have a basic idea of what it's about and what they can anticipate for future episodes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so, so the story of the, the, the, the Toshkao Union University of itself is about, well, this character, her name is, she Andrea Toshigawa, and she is a ninja from the Toshigawa Ninja clan.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the motion comic picks up when she is has moved from Japan to America.
[SPEAKER_03]: in hiding, but more so, she's there to train, she's there to train so that she can one day hone her abilities to go back to Japan to defeat her father.
[SPEAKER_03]: Her father is he's taking over Japan.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's the big guy in this picture back here in his poster.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's
[SPEAKER_03]: And but the the problem is is that he also has like, um, um, like God like abilities and things like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so she has to learn how to hone her abilities and her skill to go back.
[SPEAKER_03]: and stop his, his, his power spread.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's spreading his tentacles outside of just Japan and extending to the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that, so the episode picks up, essentially with her, with you learning who she is, what her dreams are, what her, what her, her job is supposed to be,
[SPEAKER_03]: She wants to do her own things.
[SPEAKER_03]: She wants to live a normal life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but sometimes you're just going to balance the fact that your father's evil and you've got to get him out of the picture, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes when your father's evil, you've got more responsibilities than going to eat pocky and donuts at the local coffee shop.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: What I love about Jenna and General is that like I mean, I can see your influences there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I can see like there's some street fighter in there, there's some, you know, there's some obviously some supercent high in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's there's plenty of other anime elements, but it does have its own unique personality and feel, you know, taking from your favorites and your influences and merging it all into one cohesive universe.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a pretty rich universe too, that obviously, because you've had years and years to build it now even with the reboot, you've got tons of stuff you can delve into and dive into and take bits and pieces of and put together as a story.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I appreciate it, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've, I've, I've, um, there's a lot of stuff that I really feel like, like, all the stuff that I'm, that's in it now, our things that I wanted to be able to put in it from the beginning.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I was just never able to because of time, because of money, really, yeah, because of money.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you just described Tathalife, man, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And because of um, because I really at creatively, I don't think that, you know, I don't think that I was able to tell that story.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you have to kind of feel like that now, the seeds were there of what I wanted to say.
[SPEAKER_03]: But now that I'm older,
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, I have a perspective on telling that story a little bit more nuanced, not so, not so ham-fisted, you know, sometimes, you know, I'm saying I learned, you know, being being in the space, you know, I learned that, you know, especially like now, you know, I don't want to say now, but
[SPEAKER_03]: like sexy doesn't mean that you have to reveal everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: It, you know, strong doesn't mean that you have to be able to, you know, bench press, you know, a car, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, no, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you take those like type of nuances and then you can, in those great areas of life and you able to,
[SPEAKER_03]: you can write a story that you can only have written with the experience and time.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: So, that's one of the things that I really enjoy about revisiting in those stories, adding those beats back in those elements and then retooling it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, surprisingly, you know, being able to, you know, have the opportunity because of like web comics and because of like, you know, episode shorts that we have on our YouTube page and, you know, the availability of being able to put a story out and it
[SPEAKER_03]: dark night returns type of a story.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a little contained story about this group of people.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I mean, being able to do that now and center things a little bit more on individuals in the actual Tushka universe, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: It just broadens the actual world and the scope of what I'm trying to do, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's really cool, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really, I really love being able to get into my own head
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and I'm glad you brought up the digital, you know, the web comic and the digital comic of it all, because one thing that, you know, we bring up time and time again here when we're talking to two creators that have actually gone into that space is that that allows your product to essentially be global.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, because like you're you're not you're not stuck with oh I I got this store in Kentucky to to put in my to put in my comic or you know this story North Carolina the store in Baltimore like whatever At your you're able to once you get it on a platform that is available literally anywhere you can then have literally anybody find your comic and that's something that I feel like
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, people are actually taking advantage of that more today, but I feel like it's still a space that's not being explored anywhere near as much as I think it should be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I think there's two things, like we're on, right now we're on two platforms, two main platforms.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a drive through comics, which has been around for a long time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And global comics, which is fairly new.
[SPEAKER_03]: And global, both of those, both of those,
[SPEAKER_03]: do wonders for exposure for our book.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, it doesn't hurt to be able to get an update and be like in your email and be like, oh man, you sold this amount of comics today.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like the percentages.
[SPEAKER_03]: on global, you see they see more on global and as percentage is a lower than dropped through, but it's cool to be able to know that, you know, oh, you had 2,000 readers today.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure, I'm on on your book, you know, I'm saying,
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, so it helps out, but I think that also those spaces for a long time for us in the comics media, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not talking about like, like manga, the subset or music or, you know, movies or anything like that and the digital space.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so much specific to comics.
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe that.
[SPEAKER_03]: We were stunted for a long time, because everybody was afraid of the direct market response.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, the one thing that again, we didn't count on was the direct market, you know, being affected as hard as it was when Diamond left absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: as well as the way kids and young adults in hell, you know, media now, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you can't account for that, you know what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you're fearful of, like, you're fearful of, of, of, of,
[SPEAKER_03]: affecting the wreck market that was already kind of going under and changing in a vastly under, uh, uh, what can you say that undersold undersold undersold.
[SPEAKER_03]: Undersold way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you, and then you, you're, you're a scared of that, but at the same time, the new thing that's coming up that you could see that could balance it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You kind of afraid of as well because, uh,
[SPEAKER_03]: it's a little bit uncontrollable.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you never jump on, you stay on the bandwagon that you know as opposed to the one that you didn't, you didn't try to incorporate into your business.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now you're behind, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that comics are a little behind in that space like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: they are and I mean that the perfect example of that is stuff like, you know, I mean comicsology doesn't exist anymore, you know, now it's Amazon Kindle and, you know, the few people that were like the comicsology got laid off in the latest, you know, Amazon way-offs that happened in the past couple of months.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now it's all Kindle, we're not them with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like there's because of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's such an opening in the space, and I mean we've talked about this more on recent episodes of Comic Topping, also.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's such an opening in the space for new and interesting ways to get your digital comics out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to have an app that works.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number one.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you don't, sorry, like if you're just throwing PDFs out there, like yeah, PDFs are great and all, but then you know, then you first got to hope that somebody has a way to read it and that's it, but in this in this world where everybody is looking at their screens constantly, if you're on YouTube watching this right now, hi, but if you're if you're looking at your screen constantly,
[SPEAKER_02]: then you need to have the opportunity to read it on that screen and have people be interested in what you're throwing out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it goes the way to go, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I don't, you know, I don't see a way around it now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that comics that's coming around is just a
[SPEAKER_03]: But I will say that places like global comics, places like draft through comics, they've got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: They've got a good app system that they're able to, you're able to look into and read the things on the device that you're at.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I do, you know, like, like, um,
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, there's a whole bunch of web-tune type comic book apps that are out there, you know, that you can read online and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so I think it's coming along.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just that I, um, it's not as far as it, I feel like it should be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm, well, well, what a shock.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you know, we were saying for literally years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, what that, uh, a monopoly is not a good thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing, it's just kind of like, you know, man, I was just like, you know, from back, like I had, I will say, yeah, it took me a long time just to get into diamond because my book was black and white.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure, of course, yeah, just because it was black and white, like, like, and then on top of that, um,
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I didn't have like a marquee name attached to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know anybody, you know, stuff like that when you think about the control that the distributor had to be able to make a break a book that is.
[SPEAKER_03]: in saying and you know I'm saying and you know like nowadays like I'm I'm scrolling through TikTok and I'll see like four or five new books that just pop up on TikTok just like hey man this is my new book in blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and I'm just like okay cool you know I mean that was unheard of back in the day it'd be like you know that would essentially be like me taking out a commercial on cable television or Nickelodeon and saying hey I got a comic book please read it
[SPEAKER_03]: But at the same time, you know, hey, how can we get this book?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not in the comic stores because Don and won't carry you.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, so the only way you can get it is by emailing me.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: same man.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's insanity and insanity.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like at least at least now like you know now that we're post diamond now that Diamond essentially no longer exists and there's and there's new opportunities out there through through through Mooner, you know through through Penguin Random House through through other distributors where it seems like they are not nearly as
[SPEAKER_02]: You better not do digital because you're going to wind up biting into our bottom line as diamond was because I mean, you know, once upon a time, if they wanted to, they could have, they could have created digital storefront, they could have easily done that.
[SPEAKER_02]: They could have been comaxology before comaxology happened, but because they were so afraid of,
[SPEAKER_02]: you know the comic stores losing out which again I get it that's that's how you make your bread and butter but as we all saw that can only take you so far.
[SPEAKER_02]: Shockingly global pandemics where people can no longer go to stores may theoretically stop your distribution model from working.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a little bit, just a little bit, you know, everybody kind of like figured out how much control diamond really has.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was felt immediately.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing is like when something is felt immediately like that, people start to really start to say, oh, wow, we were really in trouble.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, man, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I mean, I do believe that I don't think that they're, they're like at verse like that because they are, they, you know, like lunar, ping, lunar, and ramping on random house to like that, they've been in the book space for a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so it's like kind of like, you know, this is, this is business, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Business, business changes with technology.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you need to be able to jump on that technology, not be afraid of it, you know, I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you need to be able to to to to figure out a way to be able to incorporate what's going on into your your daily grind, man, and that's I don't think that I think that that's why they're not they're not as adverse, you know, I'm saying absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and even through all this all this, you know, turmoil in the industry is not like that like sales are technically up Bookstores are actually opening not closing for like that barn barns in noble, you know, I For years I was I was lamenting on the fact that you know, most of the bookstores in my general vicinity I mean, especially not live in the Bronx like
[SPEAKER_02]: There was not a bookstore in the Bronx up until about five years ago where a local bookstore opened up.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just straight up couldn't find it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you'd have to go to Target and that would be how you would buy your books as unfortunately.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now there's new Barnes and Noble opening.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were ones that closed in Manhattan that are reopening in similar spaces.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if there's new ones opening in New York City and there's ones opening up in other areas as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Books and millions doing relatively well right now for the big, you know, for the big boxes.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's also in the pen and bookstores popping up and they're not just selling books.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're also selling, you know, comics and graphic novels because that is diversifying, just like how we always talked about with comic shops as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, well, comic shops have got assault toys and and cards in order to stay afloat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, books stores same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've got to, they've got to sell more than just books in order to survive.
[SPEAKER_02]: So make it happen, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like we launched me and my friend through the Heal of the Hood Foundation here in Memphis, we launched a series of vending machines that, you know, sold that just sold comics, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's not like, and they're not in stores, they're just, they're in school, like, you know, and they're used as a sentence to be able to get kids to do good at school.
[SPEAKER_03]: and to read, and you know, there's their snowmanage princess and jettabooks and then, you know, and those things as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you have to be able to, and you have to go where the kids are, where the people are, in order for you to be able to grow and get your stuff out there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just I just think that we,
[SPEAKER_03]: as an industry we didn't we didn't think that we tried to get too many people to just turn around and do what we wanted to do by coming into my store right now to get this book you know what I mean and if you know that's that's kind of it's not how it goes a lot of times.
[SPEAKER_02]: No it isn't but but I like the idea that any regime and that's that's a that's a great concept.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was, it's cool, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm, we, we were fortunate enough to be able to, man, hold on, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Alexa, stop.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so we got a chance to team up with a council woman in the area, and she was really big on getting kids to read.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we,
[SPEAKER_03]: me and my friend, Ladele Beeman with the, he is the head of the Hill, the Hood Foundation.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they, I go, they go and they help under privileged kids to be able to do things like, you know, manage jobs, manage their money, you know, help them to be able to stay out of gangs and trouble and stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: And one of the things that we got to change the pitch to them was the vending machine idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we were able to give
[SPEAKER_03]: get the vending machines actually completely wrapped and things like that with our stuff and sent to sent to the schools and I guess I would say four schools five schools in the area
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and surrounding in surrounding Memphis area and a couple of laundry mats and free and in the books are free for the kids.
[SPEAKER_03]: So as long as they do, they keep their attendance up.
[SPEAKER_03]: They get good grades.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and, um,
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Attendants and get good grades.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are able to get tokens as gifts from their from their teachers and the librarian.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like say if you go to the library a lot, there's a library, they'll give you tokens and then you can use those tokens to buy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I love it man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I absolutely love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it it harkens back to the days of you know like the scholastic book fair and stuff like that like getting getting kids to read, having them be hyped about it and especially to give them an incentive like, yeah, you know, because like we're in a gaming culture.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you give people the opportunity to literally game to get yourself free comics by doing well in school, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a really, really cool thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a cool concept man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was I was really really cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the coins are really cool too, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're like these going this gold coin.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, one side it has the the mall productions logo from our company and the other side has the hill to the foundation logo.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's really cool, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was I was I'm I'm really shot.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully we could be able to get more out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd love to be able to get more of those out, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I mean, hey, as a starting point, man, like that's that's great to see.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, again, like, I mean, I, I mentioned earlier in the episode, like, you know, we see, we see how hard it can be to get kids to just, you know, stop looking at their damn phones and pick up a book every now and then.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is this is that act, this is a type of incentive that that kids need to go out there and read and and find something
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, right, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all about trying to find your lane, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your lane, you need to be to learn a little bit more at least.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to also touch on how much of a family affair your book is, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because like, I look at the credits and, you know, jannits in there, addicons, addicons doing flats, like, yeah, you got, you got, you got the whole book in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got like, I'm from the work, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, he's my, he editing is my intern doing the summer.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I want to say intern, he's my employee doing the summer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he, like he works at the zoo and he works for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Those are the two places that he works for the summer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he gets paid.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he comes, like if we have like a seminar or something, he goes to me to the seminar talks to the kids as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's, um,
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, it's, it's, it, yeah, it's a family affair.
[SPEAKER_03]: My wife will gen it.
[SPEAKER_03]: She, um, she does most of the, the, the, the coloring for a lot of the books.
[SPEAKER_03]: The only book that she does not do coloring for mostly is, um, the jet of books, the graphic novels because, um, I started out like doing like this painterly type
[SPEAKER_03]: So I do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I continue to do that painted way to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the only one that she doesn't the rest of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: She actually does all the colors for and then I once I write it, you know, she looks over does her changes and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then like Anakin comes in, he comes in and then he lays down the colors after like I finish my hard work.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he lays down what the colors should be so that they stay consistent when Janet gets them in renders amount.
[SPEAKER_03]: So or or when I get them sometimes I take his and I render them out with
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, more painterly.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's on both spectrums.
[SPEAKER_03]: He helps me out by flattening and then he helps her out on the same spectrum by flattening.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then we just take them and do our two different things.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, man, it's us three, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's us three, dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just trying to be able to do as much creativity as possible, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I just really believed that like me and Janet met
[SPEAKER_03]: in college and creative writing, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like that if you took that creativeness out of our family, the family just kind of like floats off and does its own thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Often to like, you know, sections of the universe and kind of, never to return again, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: I just feel like that creative part of our family is just so important, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: And keeping us together, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, Katie Cook always always makes the joke that, you know, like, you know, she had kids, so she'd be able to get flatters, like that's...
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's, and I mean, hey, like that's that's all part of it, man, you know, it's like, if you if you're old enough to to hold a, to hold a, to hold a paintbrush thing or they're old enough to help out in the family business and the family business is coming up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you are old enough.
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, I'm telling you do that, you know, I told us showed him how to do it and he is like, look, this is these are the pages that you are responsible for.
[SPEAKER_03]: and I want you to be able to do those pages, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that's the thing, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, even like on, I will say, too, even like on the animation, you know, he, Anakin will will, you know, on the ones that I'm actually doing, because I still do some of the animation myself.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Anakin will come in and he will do the, you know, did the flats on some of those those, those frames.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, it's,
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a it's a it without without that I don't think I would be able to do as much as I actually, you know, it's it's because, you know, we're we're 24 seven doing something something creative.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean.
[SPEAKER_02]: friends and family man that's that's what it's all about friends of family you know like that's I mean I know I know from like you know when I used to help out you know come for Natham on on their books like you know without without friends and without people willing to you know to edit the book or you know proofread and stuff like that like a lot of these smaller projects would would go by the wayside because that's right that's what you need you need people willing to able to help out their friends
[SPEAKER_02]: when they need it and and make the magic happen, you know, that's that's really what it's all about.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you know, it's why I keep ston and Julian around.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, I love it, I love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was actually Sean's idea though for real.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like in the last episode, like Sean was like able, he watched it and he was like, oh man, you probably got him, you know, won't you put some captions before each person is introduced?
[SPEAKER_03]: So he'll know who they are.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, damn, that's a good ass in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Damn, Sean, that's why I keep you around, dawg.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sean, prior Baracko comics himself, man, like, there it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: There it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've got about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is there is there is a reason why that man is still going the way he's going It's because he's got that my idea is and he knows how to use them Help me get about Barack Alcommings, dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hell yeah hell yeah, man I remind him of that in every opportunity is like man stop that Just just like I'll just like I'll always remind Julian about that about the the Sunday like that's Everyone wants to wild man.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll be texting any will come up man
[SPEAKER_03]: And man, I'd be like, dude, I didn't mean, like I didn't mean anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was just kind of like, hey, dude, I'm not like for real.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was technically, I was like, I want to suppose to have it in the first place.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I don't know, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was like, hey, man, you want to do this?
[SPEAKER_03]: You want something?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't want to do this thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I was like, I was just...
[SPEAKER_02]: Anybody who has no idea what we're talking about go back in time the convict timing episode is still out there all of us Shoot in the shit in a hotel room all about that Sunday that got away and What that is gonna true though?
[SPEAKER_03]: How you gonna be an establishment man?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I know you got no more ice cream like how are you?
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you go out of ice cream?
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, what does that say?
[SPEAKER_03]: They were like, man, you ain't got no ice, like, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, like no ice cream.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Briar's two for five.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: just go down the street and go down there and just look oh like wow you know there's still in business too there's that that place that that that dirt and spruce still in business after all after all these years good for them I mean like it was it look like it was hopping man I mean when we were there it was like super crowded because people are all over the place and so I can see I can count to see why they would be like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, but, but yeah, man, I, you know, I wish I wish we could get a chance to just go back and do that again.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, that was it was in general, like, if there is, if there's ever an opportunity when, like, the, like, the four of us are the same state at the same time, we got a, I'll bring my recorder will make the magic happen, man, because like it's been too freaking long that we've all been in the same space at the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: That much.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that is true man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got but I got I got I got curfews now, man I can't be up like that in a woman.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd be done the next day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you I hear you?
[SPEAKER_02]: I hear I mean Unfortunately, you know like with the free with the free land so life I'm having a remind myself what an actual like bedtime is Exactly because I'm like I'm like oh, yeah, no, I can I could stay up like oh, hey
[SPEAKER_02]: And it'll be the show 25, I mean, I'm in like the year for 245 and my franchise like yeah, no, it's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm like, oh wait.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Damn.
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, I'm last night, I stayed up way too late, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm telling you man, I'm paying.
[SPEAKER_03]: I pay for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hear you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hear you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hear you, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm I'm 42 now and trust me, my body knows it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't matter how many times I tell it otherwise like not you're still you like yeah You're you're still youthful you can still got spirit, but remember what sleep is every now and then because when you take the melatonin You wake up the next day and your groggy as hell and you don't want to have to do that to shut your brain off That's that's the way it goes man.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the way it goes
[SPEAKER_02]: So what is there a general schedule for when the next episode is going to drop or is it a TBD at this point whenever whenever the schedule is all done.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you're going to ask it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: You knew you knew it was going to throw out there, man, but also at the same time, I know how one this shit takes to actually happen, especially, you know, on an independent budget.
[SPEAKER_02]: So clear.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we are like, we're in production.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody has until April to get their voiceovers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've gotten a good bit now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm still waiting on a few.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then after, after videos coming in and mid April and May,
[SPEAKER_03]: we're really going to be going in and starting to plan animations and stuff and then so what I would like in between that I'm still working on a viewer for the experimental aircraft association so that's a book that I'm working on.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm also working on
[SPEAKER_03]: the next jet of books as well and I have some other client work and stuff that I'm working on so you know in between that I would like to be able to get you know the next the next episode out in September or October That is what I would like yes
[SPEAKER_02]: That that is what you would like and I completely understand that it is a process and And I also understand as a reminder I have a voice.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you know if you need if you need any background players or anything like that How or me, but you know, you know, but but but but but still man like like yeah, I know what's a process
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so, so we got, so that is one of the things we, we, we, we do there.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are always like, um, um, you know, you said that, but for me, I might give you, yeah, because yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: The reason why I actually ended up being an episode one in the first place because I forgot to cast somebody.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, hey, hey, hey.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like looking through it and just like you got everybody in here we got all this stuff and I was like hold up man we don't have a cam man we didn't have a cam at the episode I was just like crap dude so nope I was I asked some folks and they couldn't do it and um and I was like all right So I actually ended up having to do it and it's so I was like you know
[SPEAKER_03]: So we got a Kim though this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got an awesome dude's name is Matthew Chung and he is he's awesome and huge Batman fan loves night wing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, but I might give you
[SPEAKER_02]: by all means, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean, hey, come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was I was in our buddy, you know, Alan New Mutants audio book years and years ago for the when when when I was in space and we were
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, just even thinking of the product like how how out of date the product Google wave is, but that's that's what you do when you when you when you do sci-fi You're like, like, yeah, it's just gonna be around forever like not nobody ever knows what the hell Google wave is at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right exactly, man I forgot all about Google wave, man
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, man, tell us a little bit about EVU or by the way, that's, uh, that's something I meant to bring up anyways.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, yeah, you're, you're, you're, you're doing some stuff for, uh, for, uh, experimental airlines.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, um, it's a museum.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's bare mental aircraft museum.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and they are, they, they, um, I don't want to say it's all, it's, it's not all experimental.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like it's everything's bare.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's really a museum for aviation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hm.
[SPEAKER_03]: period and they do they do tours and all this kind of stuff but they actually have a character call A viewer and A viewer is essentially a superhero but he is a character that kind of appeals to their young eagles like program.
[SPEAKER_03]: The young eagles programs is where they you know,
[SPEAKER_03]: kids come in, they learn about flight, they learn about aviation, and then they actually can take flight lessons, flying lessons, stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the Stanley actually created the character.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so the character was created by him, and he donated that character to them for the young equals program.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh that's so cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so, um, so I got brought on with issue issues that I got brought on, I can't remember, um, I haven't over here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, um, I got brought on with issue 15.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So issue 15 is the iron eagle homage that I did, um, and, um, um,
[SPEAKER_03]: I got brought on with that issue and I've been on the issue from 15 on ever since and yeah yeah if you guys know anything about Iron Eagle that you know that this is the cover of Iron Eagle.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the poster behind you, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the enemy aircraft, he has a Joker-like character that is rods around in a makeshift experimental hovercraft called Blumpy.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and in the middle of each issue, there is historical facts.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's historical facts about the Tuskegee airmen in the air, historical facts about
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um um, um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um um
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's pretty cool, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I really enjoy, I really enjoy that book.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, and I mean, this museum reminds me a little bit of the one that I visited in Pensacola a couple years ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a similar one.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's on one of the, one of the Navy bases.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the basically just a straight-up aviation museum with a whole bunch of like, you got the blue, got what do they call the blue?
[SPEAKER_02]: Blue something around the, I'm fine,
[SPEAKER_02]: the um um oh man yeah blue let's see blue blue pilots Pensacola I guarantee you Boo angels Boo angels yeah yeah yeah yeah they had a couple of Boo angels on display and some some NASA shit and stuff like that so that was that was great stuff but I love the fact that you get to say you worked on a Stanley character yeah man that's kind of cool that was that was a seven point
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for me, you know, I mean, they were like, oh, yeah, characters created by Stanley, and they had an unveiling of the character with a cosplayer that came out, dressed up as a character, and Stanley was there, and he was signing on a breath.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I saw that picture, and I was like, dude, yeah, man, it's time me up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like, how much do you want?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, no, no, just time me up, dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's history right there man that that is that is absolutely something that you get to take to the grave like yeah Man, I worked I worked on a Stanley character straight up, you know history history baby.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm I'm I'm I'm pretty stoked I love that book.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like working on and like the the right the the writer Zip has him feel man he is he
[SPEAKER_03]: He's really built up a really, really exciting, fun world like it's a really fun, anything can happen in the world and it's plausible, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, it's fun, it's fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anybody wondering by the way, the museum itself is in Ashkosh, Wisconsin, and they're open Monday through Sunday, 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. so any of you Wisconsin people and if you chatter heads, we'll just go ahead and head over to Ashkosh and buy some Ashkosh, but Ashkosh, while you're there and then go ahead over to the museum afterwards and explore and experience, so absolutely mad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yo, this has been an awesome time just catching up with you, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, whatever, but let everybody know where they can find your stuff and remind folks the YouTube and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, anywhere on YouTube, take talk, Instagram, Twitter, I don't like being on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody does, nobody does.
[SPEAKER_03]: Blue Sky.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you type in at Toshigawa universe, T-O-S-H-I-G-A-W-A universe, we'll pop up, you know, we have a secondary channel that's all about art and our family dynamic of art that's called Wades World.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's on YouTube as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you look at Wadesworld and you look at Toshigawa universe,
[SPEAKER_03]: then both of those will be, will come up on YouTube, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm easy to find, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm easy to find.
[SPEAKER_02]: You made it with the name Wade's world, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that was what you started putting out podcasts on the night name.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, that's just too easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's just too easy.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was fun, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was, uh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, it was just one of those things where it was like, hey, man, what we're going to call this?
[SPEAKER_03]: And Anakin was small at the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was just like, you know, that, that was really cool to hear.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's cool to be able to see, because he's still an integral part of the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
[SPEAKER_03]: We've moved over from to a podcast to YouTube.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's an integral part of the YouTube.
[SPEAKER_03]: But being able to go back on a podcast, listen to the podcast, the old podcast, I still up on the Taylor verse, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you can be able to listen to him and then he kind of grows up, you know, and you can actually be able to see him.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Me, I stayed the same.
[SPEAKER_03]: I only think I do was just get a fatterhead and get great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea what you're talking about with the Grey's man, I got a haircut a couple days ago And I'm looking down on them like there's not a lot of black hairs on the floor right now I am I'm a bit offended by that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd like to correct that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So come on guy Like like like like let's roll cuz trust me I like I like the rewritten stepples, but it's getting to be a bit much at this point get to be a bit much
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a man man, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, yeah, that night and when I listened to my podcast 20 years ago, you know, college kid green under the, uh, under the, uh, everything and I'm realizing like, wow, my voice has actually changed from, uh, from a nerdy, a nerdy or a little bit more mature deepness.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I, I appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm still, I'm still, I'm still, just do you.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think it's going to ever change dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to stick to stuff that didn't pass.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just like, I have to sound exactly the same.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't sound like I'm any smarter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, but my thing is always a pleasure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much, Ben.
[SPEAKER_02]: And everybody, please go check out Jeddah go check out Tales of Toshigawa on on YouTube.
[SPEAKER_02]: Make it happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Toshigawa universe and all that jazz and yeah, man Please check it out because if you don't then and I'm gonna be homeless
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, no pressure, no pressure guys, but but still remember that and and and and and a reminder, patreon.com slash comment.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right anyway, you, you have a patreon too, don't you?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a... Oh snap.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Patreon.com slash mall production.
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right on, right on.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, and with that, we'll go ahead and wrap things up here just a note.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next episode could continue old homes week a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna be having on Nick Burino, longtime friend of the show, to talk about his Godzilla work, because that happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, he's working on Sonic X Godzilla, which is going to be coming out in the not too too distant future and he's done some Godzilla rival stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Raph and Brandon are going to talk Godzilla and I'm basically just going to sit back and relax and let them dirt out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to be good times.
[SPEAKER_02]: So look forward to that on the very next episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: And with that some more credits.
[SPEAKER_02]: email address for comic timing is atomic time to get gmail.com, Facebook.com slash comic timing is where you can find us and the comic timing fan group.
[SPEAKER_02]: Please do check that out if you have not already done so.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're on blue sky at comic timing.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't talk about Twitter, so I'm not even going to.
[SPEAKER_02]: But youtube.com slash at comic timing podcasts where you can find us on youtube.
[SPEAKER_02]: On Instagram, it's comic timing podcasts and we're on threads as comic timing podcasts as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Once again, thanks to Martha as for joining us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for you guys for listening.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as always, there's always, die for comics.