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[SPEAKER_01]: How's my, what's up?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm bomb bomb.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are actually recording the day before this comes out, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, I don't even know anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know either.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys, we are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially when kids aren't in school like I know concept now when kids aren't in school I can't even I don't even know what day it is what time it is and then my son is First-day spring break is sick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, that totally blows and I know and it's for raising cold and Texas you got I mean, it's actually freezing cold in the
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, the day I went to lunch and it said it was like 40 something degrees outside and it says feels like 25.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, no, because of the windshield.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, and I'm not even anywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: My god, I'm just in Dallas.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, um, some of you all are even colder than than we are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, are you also on the right and it's raising us gold.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I can hear some coffee.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can hear him coughing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, his room is right next to the to this studio.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I'm hoping, but I did get a chance right before he got sick to get his haircut.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So my kids don't like to get their haircut.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the thing they
[SPEAKER_00]: He likes it all the life that you used to be Cody really.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it used to be Cody, but now he He likes getting his haircut because he can't stand when it gets too long and it's kind of gotten a little crazy You've seen it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a freaking He's not even putting anything in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like some of these boys put shit in it to fluff it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not even doing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's like Caden's hair because it's got a little curl to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the girl's like, oh, you've brought broccoli here.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what she called it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it happened like after hormones started kicking in or some or after puberty started kicking in because his hair was never like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle's hair is fully curly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, full curls like wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it was not like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, growth and had barely any hair until she was like, I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we almost had to take her to Turkey to get a hair transplant.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't remember what we were saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: But she worked so cute.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, really did fit her very well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it never looked awkward.
[SPEAKER_00]: She never looked like a boy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Her hair just didn't grow very fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she was 10 when she got her first trim ever, center hair, and like such beautiful hair.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she does, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it was like her hair just, it's magic now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she has the best hair fit.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, although it gets frizzy and the Florida weather is really hard on it and help.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just to work on it a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll tricky.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, whatever, you know, what it is to be a woman.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so last week, I don't know if we talked about it last week on Patreon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my mom was just here and I was giving her crap because she's not signed up on Patreon.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, yeah, like, tell her we're going to start talking about her if she does.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know her.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fuck a ruse.
[SPEAKER_01]: You look at the least you can do mom.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you are not actually if you are listening.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am podcast shaving you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, hey, I was I used to say you guys I used to say when we first started in 2018 or 19.
[SPEAKER_01]: I used to say it's like buying like a cup of Starbucks because that's how much a Starbucks was back then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, half of it, you get half of a Starbucks now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe how expensive it is to get a Starbucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're, I need to make sure I send her to link and make her listen to this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: You should, okay, and the rest of my little club, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: I think any of them are on Patreon.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to show you a lot of all, oh, I'll go shame them all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but Jenny has a podcast out.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys don't even support me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, don't even support.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is so sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is so sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Horrible, but you know what, I'm just going to tell them, no more girls trips.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not playing in any more trips until you all join Patreon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so let's get into today's case.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are talking, before I dive in, but we're talking about the Alexander Brothers Tal, Oran, and Alon.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are three brothers.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is really Americans.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are filthy rich, very powerful, very connected, and according to the federal jury that just handed down a verdict on March 9th, 2026, they are now convicted sex traffickers.
[SPEAKER_01]: convicted on all accounts, all 10 of them, guilty guilty guilty guilty.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of counts.
[SPEAKER_01]: 19 times that word guilty was read aloud in the courtroom and all three of them sat there shaking their heads like they couldn't believe it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But oh, they are probably believing it now
[SPEAKER_01]: They are still sitting in the jail cell and I'm telling you, Jenny, they thought that they would never be caught and here's the thing that makes this case so deeply deeply disturbing this wasn't a secret this was.
[SPEAKER_01]: not some sort of hidden monster operation that no one knew about.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was open, an open secret.
[SPEAKER_01]: Women knew people in real estate knew and for over a decade, no one did a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, they did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think they were going to go all the way back to the beginning?
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about who these men were, where they came from, what they did, how they got away with it for so long.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, you remember what we talked about on Thursday, was there an Epstein connection?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what I want to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to tell you, yes, there was.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's get into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, to understand how these men operated, you have to understand where they came from because the Alexander brothers didn't just stumble into who this power, they were actually built for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tall, orange, and a lawn, Alexander are Israeli Americans.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I told you, they also have one other brother, but the three of them are the ones that we're gonna talk about today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their parents immigrated from
[SPEAKER_01]: Israel to the United States and about I think about 1982.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now they guys weren't even born yet, so they were born here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their parents founded a company called Kent Security Systems, which one of the brothers actually would two of them were real estate guys and this other one was the security, he ran the security services.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was private security for like the who's who, if you know what I mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll come back to that security in a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: They also, the parents immigrated to Miami, but they had a very good connection to New York because you know the New Yorkers love them out from Miami.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually right now in Florida, you'll have like have the people
[SPEAKER_01]: a few sprinkle Canadians in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like a minor piece of Floridians.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to ring now or from New York?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Huh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the snowbird thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The snowbirds.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like all New Yorkers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not like transplants.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: They.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think in my amy after covid or maybe even before I think a lot of new workers just decided that they were going to stay down there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're like my daughter is in Florida.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of snowbirds right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy busy cannot go to a restaurant without a reservation.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny because like a lot of months ago, it wasn't like that at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but don't you think a lot of that spring break?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not even there yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm talking about like just all of me drying lots of nuts.
[SPEAKER_01]: The last, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so tall Alexander was born July 2nd, 1986.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, Oren and Alon, there are twins.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were born the very next year on July 5th.
[SPEAKER_01]: So three boys in one year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably is already a recipe for disaster.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can't even imagine, but anyways, they were raised in a wealthy, well-connected family with a security empire at their foundation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tal went to Hofstra University where he played collegiate tennis and got a degree in marketing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Horan went to the university Colorado and got a degree in finance, and along,
[SPEAKER_01]: On paper, these guys look like a dream team, but they were from a dream dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were a little nightmare.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tall and orange move to New York City in 2008 enjoyed Douglas Elman.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a real estate firm.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the most prestigious real estate firms in the country, and they were good.
[SPEAKER_01]: generally like really good at selling luxury real estate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Orange first major deal was an $8.2 million pen house sell in Manhattan in 2009.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like let's not get ahead of ourselves here because to get a sale of that magnitude at such a young age is not because Orange was a good salesman.
[SPEAKER_01]: And great, that's where they started and that's awesome for them, but I mean, sure they were great salesmen, but I'm also going to say like, you got worried about because you know who you knew.
[SPEAKER_01]: By 2012, they had founded the Alexander team at Douglas Eleman and they were off to the races.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their client list was the who's who in this celebrity culture Kim Kardashian,
[SPEAKER_01]: low hand, Liam Gallagher, Steve Madden, Tommy Hill figure, can I go on?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, these guys had the real connections and they were not just selling real estate, they were at all the parties, like these guys were the party guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: In 2019, they brokered what?
[SPEAKER_01]: was the most expensive residential real estate transaction in the United States history at a 24,000 square foot penthouse apartment on 220 central park south that sold for a whopping 238 million dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: How did you get from one end of the house to the other in the same day?
[SPEAKER_01]: 24,000 square feet, I mean, you heard me, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I said apartment, Jenny, like it's a humongous apartment, but still, like, you are, your walls are shared with somebody, like, although I can't imagine a 24,000 square foot apartment, I guess it would be multiple levels, but yeah, somebody's below you or above you, it's not a apartment building.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, maybe it's like the whole top level or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's got to be something like that for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Walk from one end to the other.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's 48,000 square feet.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, that's amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: What, how is that?
[SPEAKER_00]: And get your steps.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can get your steps in really quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds like a lot of freaking work to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, hell, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do not need that much to clean.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I cleaned my house yesterday and I'm still tired from cleaning my house.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, no, I'm not taking a 24,000 spark at home and cleaning it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even want a house bigger than 2,500 square feet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that's why I love Kyla's apartment because I don't know how I can clean.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you're like, you spend 10 minutes and you're all like, oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so nice and cleaning your time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Relax and enjoy a clean house and it only took you 10 minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm about to go live in an apartment again.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the little things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, once Cody's out of here, we're all downstairs.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're all downstairs tired of downstairs.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to downstairs now, I'm over it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay, these guys also, they were orange with featured in the Forbes 30 and 30.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were profiled in the New York Times.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were described as fixtures in the New York and Miami nightlife circuit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they had the money and the access and the lifestyle and the connections.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they called themselves the 18th.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: But behind this image, behind this penthouse sales and the Forbes list and the celebrity clients, these guys, I'm telling you where monsters.
[SPEAKER_01]: And these monsters didn't come out of a closet when they were adults.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, this nightmare started when they were in high school.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm gonna, and this is all alleged, so because they have not been convicted of anything in high school, but I'm gonna get to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna tell you about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna tell you what I read, and I'll get to that in a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: Regarding the obscene files, which we'll also get to in a minute, it contains a tip where a woman who says she was 16 years old when she encountered the Alexander brothers on one of Jeff at one of Jeffrey Epstein's parties.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, 16 years old so.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And according to that FBI tip, a 14 year old girl was also raped by tell Alexander at one of those parties, 14.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the girl recorded it to the FBI said she tried to, this is super sad, like she tried to like unalive herself after this incident.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I, you know, I like to dig a little deep.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of this stuff, some of this stuff has come out in public, some of the stuff came out in their trial.
[SPEAKER_01]: And some of this stuff is, has just come out over the years and what people have said, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: So just take all that, yeah, yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a allegation in 2003, the Miami Times reported that Alexander Twins were accused of gang rape back then, and this is when they were just teenagers themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: That allegation didn't result in charges, and it didn't result in consequences.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just somehow disappeared, which is not a surprise.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, money, money, that's how it disappeared.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: In their yearbook, under the section of most numberable moment from high school, Orin wrote writing my first shoot, shoot train.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're not talking about Thomas to train people.
[SPEAKER_01]: We know what he's talking about, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, shoot you, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot,
[SPEAKER_01]: they did, and those egos get in the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this is the part of the story that gets real weird, so hold on your hats.
[SPEAKER_01]: When the Department of Justice released that 3.5 million pages of Epstein files in January of 2026.
[SPEAKER_01]: Miami and New Times identified at least three separate instances across two different documents where the Alexander Brothers were named.
[SPEAKER_01]: Three instances in the Epstein files.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, in one of the documents, which was actually pulled from the DOJ's website shortly after it was posted, think about that for a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: The FBI's Child Exportation Human Trafficking Task Force summarized complaints made against notable individuals.
[SPEAKER_01]: And right there, alongside the names of Jeffrey Epstein, Geselleine, Maxwell, and others were the Alexander Brothers.
[SPEAKER_01]: The complaint described a 16-year-old girl who, while modeling attended eight parties at Epstein's New York Mansion, and one of those parties, Epstein molested her in exchange for $500.
[SPEAKER_01]: of at another party, Oren and Alon, who was referred to as Alan in this document, lured her and her friend upstairs, locked the door, the girl managed to escape back downstairs, but the caller told the FBI that Oren raped her best friend and that tall raped a 14-year-old girl at the same party.
[SPEAKER_01]: Holy disgusting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And here's the part that should make every single one of you furious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alexander Brothers last name was redacted in the acting files.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, no freaking joke.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though they were already on trial for federal sex trafficking charges, even though they were sitting in the Brooklyn's Metropolitan Detention Center, even though their names were public knowledge, their last name has been redacted.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, yeah, makes you think, who else's names have been redacted, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Mashable reports that representatives Thomas Massey called the DOJ and the FBI specifically for redacting the Alexander Brothers names from the Epstein files.
[SPEAKER_01]: He pointed out that cash Patel had testified under oath that the Epstein files contained an unsatmists saying this in air quotes, no credible information about sex trafficking of minors.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yet, right there in those same files was an FBI tip about Alexander Brothers raping a 14 year old girl at Epstein party.
[SPEAKER_01]: So whatever we're hitting from these Epstein files is not the truth people.
[SPEAKER_01]: The 3.2 million files of falsity.
[SPEAKER_01]: The U.S. attorney's office said the Epstein files containing
[SPEAKER_01]: inadvertently sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's this other connection to Jared Kushner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, do you know who that is?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Jared Kushner is Ivanka Trump's husband.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So multiple outlets report that the
[SPEAKER_01]: They were described as having attended parties at Mara Longa, Mara Longa, and also attending, I think, Trump's Hanukkah party, they moved in the same elite circles as them and yet their names were scrubbed.
[SPEAKER_01]: from the files.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not here to tell you what that means.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am just telling you what happened so that you all can connect some dots.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so like I said, the Alexander Brothers were known for throwing and attending these lavish parties.
[SPEAKER_01]: They use social media, dating apps, party promoters, and their own celebrity status to recruit women.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how they got these.
[SPEAKER_01]: ladies to show up at their parties.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they literally would use a party promoter to call certain girls and say, like, hey, would you like to come to this party at the Hamptons?
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got, you know, Zach Efron's gonna be there and so on, so's gonna be there and we'll pay for you to fly out and all you have to do is show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sounds awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to sign up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, and you think like, here's part of the problem too, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, the younger you are, the less of a, I hate to say, but the less of a brain you have, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, your brain is just not developed enough to take a step back and go.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not a good idea, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're living in the moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: You are free, I was in no children.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I can see how it's easy for people to get caught up in the moment of something that sounds so good when you're not mature enough to walk away and say no.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think some people are sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still would go.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think even today, some people are like,
[SPEAKER_01]: You want this free trip to the Hamptons.
[SPEAKER_01]: All these people are gonna be there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be a fun party.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you wanna go?
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a plan ticket for you and you could bring a couple of your friends.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be like, yes, I'm not thinking that somebody's gonna fucking drug me and rape me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm like, you know, at me and you, Jenny, I'm gonna go, we're gonna have a good time and I'm not thinking that somebody's gonna be malicious, which they shouldn't be malicious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I also get what you're saying, it's like, there's, you know, a part of me now is like, what kind of motive does this like I want, um, in my 20s, I would have just been like, hands down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, let's go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, of course, I still want to go, but then I'd be like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Why does this guy want me to go up all people?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm question that when they try to buy me a drink at the bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, hold down over a 40 and the bow talks doesn't work for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what is it that you want for me?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, probably the same thing they wanted when you were 20.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am well past my peak, so.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good at when I was in my peak.
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew exactly what was happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm just like, are you a desperate?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there no one left?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you already try everyone else?
[SPEAKER_01]: The answer is probably yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So encouraging.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just a couple weeks ago, one of these women testified that she met the brothers in a 2012 party at Zach Efron's Manhattan apartment.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Zach Efron, by the way, is not accused of any wrongdoing.
[SPEAKER_01]: She just said,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, she actually had little to no interaction with Zach himself, but the fact that these brothers, you know, they were moving in these celebrity circles, it tells you everything about how they kind of operated.
[SPEAKER_01]: They also had connections to a music producer named, I think his name is Ivan Walsig, or Walsig.
[SPEAKER_01]: They went to his mansion parties in the Hamptons and multiple
[SPEAKER_01]: women who sued the Alexander Brothers said that they were assaulted here at this party.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, he also is not accused of any sort of violence or participating in this crime.
[SPEAKER_01]: but his name kind of comes up a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's this family security business, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The Kent Security Services, the company, their parents founded in 1982, along brand that business.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when you think about the fact that these men had access to private security infrastructure, they were very good at making problems disappear.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that adds a whole nother layer to the story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Prosecutors revealed that during the trial, a private investigator that the defense team hired, pretended to be an insurance agent, visited a victim's neighborhood, asked questions about her children, oh, to intimidate her, and it worked because two other witnesses backed out before testifying because I'm sure they are scared to freaking death.
[SPEAKER_01]: the Han knew how to use their power.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, how does something like this finally end?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it took two brave women in the summer of 2024 to women filed a civil rape suit against the Alexander Brothers and when those suits became public, something remarkable happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: Women started coming forward, dozens of women.
[SPEAKER_01]: Women who had been carrying these stories for years, and they are all about like the same story.
[SPEAKER_01]: These guys recruited these girls.
[SPEAKER_01]: They drugged them, and they like, sometimes they wouldn't rape them themselves, sometimes they would gang rape them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they weren't sick, bucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think when the two came forward, then a lot, you know, they're like, I'm not allowed because I'm sure a lot of times you're like, like, how the hell did this happen to me wake up you've been, you know, given that what is it GHV or so what they call it the date rape drug that now I'm forgetting it, but yeah something something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're like, did I drink too much?
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you feel?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I haven't been this before.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I, and then you're embarrassed, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're embarrassed.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're ashamed or you feel like it was your fault because you were partying or whatever it may be, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you just start justifying why it's your fault.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's actually really true, but it's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the real deal, a real estate trade publication was the first outlet to report this lawsuit and they're reporting open the floodgates.
[SPEAKER_01]: More women came forward, more allegations are best and the government actually finally took notice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you guys, here's the thing when you sue somebody, civilly.
[SPEAKER_01]: like you can't just go, I'm like trust me.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't just go, you can go to the FBI short.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can go to your local law enforcement or whatever and put in, you know, you could file a report.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that doesn't mean anybody's gonna look at anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can sue somebody civilly at any time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so by suing civilly and enough women came forward to jump on the lawsuit, that's finally when they were like, the FBI was like, oh, maybe I need to look into these guys, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So then they opened the criminal investigation and on the morning of December 11th, 2024, they arrested the Alexander brothers at their Miami Beach property.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, actually, I think they lived in separate properties at this time.
[SPEAKER_01]: All three brothers were arrested simultaneously, tall, orange, and a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were taken into custody before the sun came up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they like to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then people are like sleeping in a bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're all always found that, like, slightly odd, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's because you're not expecting that, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're not going to run your kind of in your pajamas, your barefoot.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't think you get that same effect like when someone gets off of work and walks into their house for the evening.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know I would think I think they just know their home right if they're going to raise us out and take all this stuff like.
[SPEAKER_00]: And how many people ready, it's like, let's do it when we know they're there first they'd know they just want to get it done first thing in the mornings so that they're well they're off the other way yeah so they can get off by 5 m and be home that's true like we're not going to start this shit at 4 p.m. We got to get it by them yeah, I mean, the dark 2 p.m. That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, the charges work conspiracy to commit sex trafficking sex trafficking by force broad and coercion.
[SPEAKER_01]: sexual exploitation of a minor aggravated sexual abuse.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the enact statement alleged that the brothers had repeatedly and violently sexually assaulted and raped dozens of their female victims over more than a decade.
[SPEAKER_01]: The brothers of course, pled guilty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their lower lawyers call the accusations a sophisticated social media campaign.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, they've played guilty or not guilty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not guilty, did I say guilty?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and I was not, they've played what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Not guilty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, no, not.
[SPEAKER_01]: They, the attorneys said they were gold diggers, just looking for money, shakedown artists.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they just went on like a rampage of like, how awful these women were.
[SPEAKER_01]: The trial began in January of 2026, such as a couple months ago in the Manhattan federal court, it lasted five weeks, 11 women took the stand and testified about what the Alexander brothers did to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the thing, for which I think, as I go back to the Diti case, I think they needed more women to come up and talk about Diti.
[SPEAKER_01]: to really get a conviction because they brought, I think, only three women in the dating case and they were all girlfriends and they were a two or three women.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're my girlfriends and I think they're friends.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does because these women were not girlfriends, they were all just recruited to for one thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They weren't coming back either.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were just used and abused and it was, it's a totally sad thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: One woman testified that she was raped by a lawn in Aspen, Colorado in 2017 when she was just 17 years old.
[SPEAKER_01]: She is also, listen to this, a daughter of a billionaire and she doesn't need their money and she said, I don't want their money, I just don't want them to have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which I like that go girl because yeah, that is not a really good way to put it because yeah, how many times that is probably the case like people are, you know, people high up like that or oh, everybody just wants my money, everyone just wants my money.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that the thing is when you assume civilly actually that's all you can that's all you can get you so civilly cannot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you like you can't make them have a criminal case against these people, you can't make anybody have a criminal case against anybody and if somebody does you wrong, you have to sue them civilly and you have to sue for money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's, it is what it is and so, you know, that's all they could do at that point for anybody to open their eyes and be like, okay, we have there's a lot of people here that are having the same experience, this isn't just a one night stand gone bad and I felt bad about doing it, this is this is serious, this is a really, really serious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another woman testified that she was raped by tall and another man in the Hamptons in 2011 after a drink was fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: She said she came forward because if there's a kid with a stick who keeps hitting people, you take their stick away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Money is their stick, so you take it away so they can't hurt people anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Prosecutors showed a video to the jury, a video that Oren Allen'sander himself had filmed of him raping a drug 17-year-old girl in Manhattan in 2009.
[SPEAKER_01]: He filmed it, he kept it, and it was used to convict him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she was, and when I tell you, she was druged, she was not conscious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's what they were,
[SPEAKER_01]: That is the sex scale of the tables that were unconscious, disgusting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're sick on March 9th, 2026, after two and a half days of deliberation, the jury came back.
[SPEAKER_01]: CBS News reported that the four women read guilty 19 straight times.
[SPEAKER_01]: Orange shook his head, tall put his head down into his cross arms and alons, why I've showed it her face as with her hands as she appeared to fight back tears.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they've been married.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if she's the one, they just had a baby, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: So because it's been, you know, like this was 10 plus years ago that all this happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: to these girls.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just came forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now let's talk about what happens next because the story isn't over.
[SPEAKER_01]: These brothers are currently being held at Brooklyn's Metropolitan Detention Center where they've been since January of 2025.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are not going home.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are not going back to their penhouse apartment or their YME Beach front mansions.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are sitting in federal prison, waiting to find out how much of the rest of their lives they will spend in prison.
[SPEAKER_01]: And their sentence is scheduled for August 6th, 2020, 6th.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they are facing a maximum sentence of life in prison.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sheesh.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, which is where they belong.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they are going to probably get 30 years to life.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a good prediction.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go more on the 30 side, but do I think they deserve more than that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, but I think ultimately that's probably
[SPEAKER_01]: Their parents were in the courtroom when the verdict was read.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their father, Schloma, Alexander, had put his home in Balharber, Florida, as collateral during the bail hearings.
[SPEAKER_01]: A home that is now almost certainly going to be part of the financial fallout from this case.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their mother sat in the gallery and had a family friend rubbing her back as the guilty verdict was read.
[SPEAKER_01]: along's wife was in the courtroom.
[SPEAKER_01]: She covered her face, like I said.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do feel bad for the wives and the kids that I didn't really look up how many kids each one of them had or if they all had kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I know a lot of them just had a kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they obviously didn't do anything to these women, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and I guarantee you that wife was blindsided.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but these women that they did this to didn't do anything either, they were just, I mean, honestly, like it could have been me, it could have been you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have gone to the parties.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have been like sign me up buying and playing ticket.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm there and I would have taken a drink from them, too, because they were rich and wealthy and.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like hanging with the who's who you never think that person is going to be slipping on you something you would think these guys could get any women at any at any moment, but it wasn't about that you know, because they could have right right wasn't about that now beyond the criminal case the brothers are also facing approximately two dozen civil lawsuits from their accusers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just last week during the trial, actually it was like a week and a half ago, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bravo's million dollar listing, Los Angeles star Tracy Tudor, who I actually know personally, filed a lawsuit alleging that Oriental Alexander drugged and sexually assaulted her in New York City.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I read a little piece about what she said and she said that she was
[SPEAKER_01]: Drogged by him and I think her assistant or somebody came in and found her and he was trying to take advantage of her and now I'm telling I want to say this was like, I want to say that she said it was like 10 years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll have to look that up, but Tracy is Tracy went to high school with my husband actually and she's a year older so she's 50 so.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was in and she's hot, like super hot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but we're talking a 40 year old woman that they did this to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, doesn't strike no shame in their game.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's shame.
[SPEAKER_01]: Orin and oh, and I wanna tell you just something, my friends cousin who was in her 50s,
[SPEAKER_01]: was out at a bar not too long ago and also got somebody put something in her drink and she was sexually assaulted by somebody at a bar in her 50s.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't mean that like just because you're older that stuff's not going to happen, you guys everybody has to be here at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jude, my friend in Orange County, was just telling me a similar story, but it was her and her husband.
[SPEAKER_00]: No way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and they were at a bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be careful with how much I say because I don't have permission from her to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they were, um, she's also very open, which is the only reason why I'll say anything because I'm pretty sure she would come on here and talk about it herself.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they were at a bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were doing a date night, date overnighter.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they had met somebody that they were, you know, chatting it up with or whatever, she had gone to the bathroom, she comes back and long story short, she like woke up the next day in a situation that she would never typically wake up in and like the surroundings didn't look right like nothing looked right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like everything was completely disheveled in the room like stuff that would know like normally never be something that she would have done or left things in that condition and she was and then same thing like with her husband and neither one of them could remember anything after leaving that bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, crazy scary thing with the people came with them back home, they, they, they think that there's a possibility, but I mean, what it was to a hotel, not their home.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is so I should ask I should ask her if she wants to come on and give the whole story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, ask her I'd like to hear that that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I heard of something like that on a cruise to where.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, people were gambling and somebody was winning and then they started so they like slipped them something I think to steal the money.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, oh, that's like one of my biggest fears with like Vegas and stuff like Well, remember when Casey won that money and now I'll just bring in 70 followed him out to, yep, take it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, literally.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to just be really careful.
[SPEAKER_01]: So these guys are also facing state charges, which is good because if anything ever happens on the federal level, like say they're pardoned for some reason or they get their case thrown out or whatnot, they still, and once they are charged the state level to the hot, that won't be able like a fallback.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm, okay, good to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so with,
[SPEAKER_01]: That's something that I'm also looking forward to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Them Facy and state charges.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their lawyers have bowed to appeal.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll never guess who their attorney is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you guess?
[SPEAKER_01]: Karen reads a dirty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm charging the homes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Feetities attorney.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, stop it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Martin is just like what he does now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: He should stop because this makes him look like a douchebag.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm like, dude, this guy's probably tied to the Epstein files too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he says he was stood outside the courtroom and he said, we believe in our clients innocent and we're not going to stop fighting until we prevail.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you go ahead and do that, Mark.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what I think more is really thing in the back of his head is these people have a shit ton of money and I'm going to take more of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but also he probably got a little cocky after winning did these case.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I'm thinking I do what they did, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were like, well, higher that guy got did he off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, five years or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I would think like if you can.
[SPEAKER_00]: do that well on that case.
[SPEAKER_00]: You should be able to do well on any case.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I'm still very disappointed in the, in the diddy outcomes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so now, this 18 has become the big details in the jail.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you say the big D team?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: in prison, you know, to get the big D. I can't help that's what you were.
[SPEAKER_00]: Big D energy, how do you do that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, and basically I just think we should take away from the story as, you know, these women, they came forward, they talked even when they were threatened, even when they were called cool diggers, liars and opportunists, I mean,
[SPEAKER_01]: 11 women sat in this courtroom and testified in front of them, looking them in the eye.
[SPEAKER_01]: When they could stay quiet, they could have stayed safe, they could have stayed out of the spot light, and they didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: They showed up and because they showed up, 19 guilty verdicts were read out loud.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing they did used pseudonyms, which some people were criticizing, but I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they, to me, I don't need to know your real name.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know why people criticize that, I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think it's pathetic enough that they have to come forward and see them and face their cues or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I think a part of it too in those situations is like some of these people might have kids and things and like you want to protect them from
[SPEAKER_00]: knowing certain things until you're ready to share that with them, um, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I can see where that comes into play or just a bit of a sad time as a reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: Children have to do it too.
[SPEAKER_01]: When a kid is accusing somebody, they have to come and they have to face their accuser and it's really sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we will be following this August 6,
[SPEAKER_01]: six to see where these guys are headed and for how long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was Anna Brothers also this case came from us by Wendy corn.
[SPEAKER_01]: She sent this to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: This a long time listener and has become a friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have never met her in person.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope to do so some day.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Wendy sent it to me and she was like, have you heard about this?
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you're not doing crime, but I'm like, I'm not not doing crime.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just doing crime that I want to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so this one was one of those where I'm like, oh my God, I gotta talk about this because these guys are such douchebags.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't even stand them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't even stand them, look at them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I hate that they did this to these girls and I'm happy that they're going away.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sorry for your wives and your family
[SPEAKER_01]: They did not bring this up on themselves, but we're bad for being such a thing to do just.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what's here?
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Expecting.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it for today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Clean, clean.