[SPEAKER_05]: Rising from the dark waters of the remote Pacific, far from the trade routes of the modern world, lies a city that shouldn't exist.
[SPEAKER_05]: Constructed from thousands of tons of basalt columns, some weight as much as 50 tons, it stands as a prehistoric engineering impossibility.
[SPEAKER_05]: To local pawnpans, it is the Venice of the Pacific, a place of ritual and taboo.
[SPEAKER_05]: To the outside world, it's a megalithic mystery that defies the conventional laws of ancient logistics.
[SPEAKER_05]: The legend speaks not of police and levers, but of twin sorcerers who commanded the massive stones to fly through the air and settle into place like puzzle pieces.
[SPEAKER_05]: But as modern researchers peel back the layers of moss and miff, they encounter whispers of something even more unsettling.
[SPEAKER_05]: Diver's report strange shimmering lights and lagoons, electronic equipment failure among the ruins, and a persistent local belief that the city was built as a gateway for beings who arrived from the stars.
[SPEAKER_05]: Was this coral-crusted lebronth merely a seat of a lost dynasty?
[SPEAKER_05]: Or was it a specialized terrestrial hub designed for non-human navigation?
[SPEAKER_05]: Why did the builders choose a location so isolated, and how did they move millions of pounds of volcanic rock across deep water, without the wheel, or middle tools?
[SPEAKER_05]: This case filed join the theorists as they get negatively rock hard for the secrets of.
[SPEAKER_05]: Then Macau.
[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome daily in theorist theorizing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Braden.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Zell.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm Andrew.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Dan's been conscripted by the Navy again.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's back floating in the Iran.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's floating in the fucking...
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, we have no one that can turn her right.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, God damn it, Jim, we need someone that can turn her wrench.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's all he's got.
[SPEAKER_04]: That guy's got the forearms for sure.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's been wrenching.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think Dick work?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think Dan uses a wrench?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't agree.
[SPEAKER_04]: Two fingers.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't know what happens with Dan sometimes.
[SPEAKER_03]: He could be here in five seconds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he doesn't know man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dan doesn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Time is a linear disc for Dan.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Time for a robot does not exist.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is all.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is time.
[SPEAKER_02]: He exists at all times instantly.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's all things.
[SPEAKER_03]: All dimensions and all times at the same time.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is the quantum.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or he maybe has this first full-time job ever and it's starting to wear him down and he hasn't had a lot of Snook Mack Mack in a little what he's over 40.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got to go to the office time change is tough on babies and Dan
[SPEAKER_02]: And Dan, he's his man, he's the, he's the fucking resident geese of the podcast too.
[SPEAKER_02]: 100% he's first over 40 and you can tell it's really, although someone was commenting on his chisel jaw line last case for Dan choose gum nonstop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's what is it as a kid say fucking chin max in or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, let's max it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's max it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what your dad's been doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just follows all those maxing.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all he does is.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to say back is everything.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jaws is getting fucking more to find because he's clenching his teeth all the time.
[SPEAKER_04]: The ship we say.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just biting back.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I just.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, we've been good lately.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've been good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we've been good.
[SPEAKER_04]: We have
[SPEAKER_04]: Fuckin' mad Mark trying to race for you to get in there.
[SPEAKER_04]: We took it out.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, I love that clip.
[SPEAKER_02]: I found a clip where I was, I'm gonna post it, and it's where he's like, they were white.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care what anyone says to that he's like, and they had black slaves.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what their nickname was?
[SPEAKER_02]: My face.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't want to do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: This shows on its last legs.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is going to be it.
[SPEAKER_03]: This will be it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the life.
[SPEAKER_04]: Who knew my magic on that clip.
[SPEAKER_04]: You should zoom in on all our faces before you see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That would have been the final threat of life.
[SPEAKER_03]: That would have been it.
[SPEAKER_03]: instant for a fight and they'll in the cost of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was a beauty.
[SPEAKER_04]: He wasn't like the bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought we're going to go down with dark people there.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was pretty genuine.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, listen, the story says, you're like, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's leave it there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, today though, we're getting fucking rock hard, baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rock hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to set the stage for this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want you to sit there.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're in your car, close your eyes while you're driving me on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do my panty.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're driving, if you're listening to lady or gentleman while you're driving.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're in your car right now, I want you to close your eyes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't don't pull over, just close them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Picture this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Imagine this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Imagine the city.
[SPEAKER_03]: in the newborns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns, horns,
[SPEAKER_03]: and the people who call it home left behind legends so strange and vivid, they send chills down your spine to this day.
[SPEAKER_03]: But do you say bat salts?
[SPEAKER_03]: Bat salts, hundreds of thousands of tons of bats.
[SPEAKER_04]: This guy's been really fucked up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no one of these guys had such crazy fucking legend.
[SPEAKER_02]: How else could you lift these stones unless you fucking want that salts?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we talked they would be delayed by the fact that they'd be eating each other the whole time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, some people say there's some people say the building of a took like 400 years give it a time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anytime you join late, you should just interrupt with, I'm Dan.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm Dan.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Dan.
[SPEAKER_03]: Imagine the podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: Daylight savings.
[SPEAKER_02]: Imagine the podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're one man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Golden.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're one man is on East time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said daylight saving is only tough for babies and Dan.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You feel asleep?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that what happened?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: You weren't in mid-game or something fucking.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't resonate with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't resonate with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Resonant keys.
[SPEAKER_03]: Resonant keys.
[SPEAKER_02]: We called it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ebony snooze.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, so dude, I never was able to like, zeal as a king of fucking get in Megular, thickly hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's called it, I never loves the last thing I was going to say.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: What is it called?
[SPEAKER_03]: Non-medal or non-modal?
[SPEAKER_03]: How do we, how do you wanna pronounce it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Non-medal, non-medal, non-medal, non-medal.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is, it is fascinating.
[SPEAKER_02]: I never have ever even heard of this one.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's the eight wonder of the world, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like there's just shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like everything is eight, like the eighth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, everyone's like, we're the eighth one of the world, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because there's only supposed to be seven of the ancient world.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now every new thing's like, it's the eighth.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I thought that fucking big foot we saw in Austin.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the ice man was the eighth one or the woman.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know, man, it's one of those.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess it's like most haunted.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, where is this place?
[SPEAKER_02]: Most haunted.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the middle of the fucking ocean.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, fucking ocean.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the middle of the Pacific Ocean,
[SPEAKER_03]: The smallest of the niches, the best of the niches they would say.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's smallest.
[SPEAKER_03]: The niches feel about Taiwan.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do they call it Taiwan or do they call it Chinese Taipei?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the question of the modern age here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Down what are your thoughts?
[SPEAKER_03]: You just miss like we just give every piece of detail you could ever want about this.
[SPEAKER_06]: uh... as far as an end but all the stands as i mean it is a it's a really interesting place like it's just the the fact that it's like
[SPEAKER_06]: When you look at it like just the structure of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's just like it looks like that weird little I mean you talked about the little log pack and cabin structure like the way that it's way that's Engineering like it seems to be engineering like because it's just like it's like it's like a lot of the places are just like it's just these huge long you know logs of they're called the solve basalt
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Collins the best all are just like stacked on top of each other and then they fill it in Or it seems to be some of the structures at least have been just filled in with Court like just like pulverized corals sand and dirt and then that Sally would basically form a Like a surface of it with end to it's what they feel it's the same and same thing because There's islands everywhere and what they decided was we're gonna build
[SPEAKER_03]: floating island full.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to pull these stones from tens or hundreds of corners away.
[SPEAKER_03]: However, weighing between, you know, one person can carry them to, you know, 40, 50, 60 ton columns of this fucking volcanic basalt.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to ship it across the ocean.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to pilot somehow down.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to set a foundation.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to build a title like break.
[SPEAKER_03]: around it and then we're going to have this all connected with a small work force with no real sense, no source of fresh water or...
[SPEAKER_04]: I see easy to do these things when you have giant magical roosters.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can carry the columns, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, the city is like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, when I saw this when I saw this and started reading about it and like after all the stuff we talked about, I was like, God damn it, I was like this, there's a fucking world spanning civilization that got wiped out like this, the islands are way too small to have this kind of fucking
[SPEAKER_02]: Like this, to me, looks like a port, like an ancient port.
[SPEAKER_04]: But this is, this is two times the size of the Vatican City.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like this is fucking massive dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: The massive complex.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was in, and huge and most of it was covered in like mangroves and overgrown and natures overtaking in and the slow rising tide water has a lot of it submerged.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they've been, it's been known about for a while, but they've just recently finally done lighter on it in 2019.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what I like about this not only is it built these megalis and makes me rock hard when I read about it and watch a documentary.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the amount of like lore and myth and like the founding of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you guys really got into it, but the, the founding legend of like, oh, I, I don't know if you guys really got into it, but the, the founding legend of like, oh, I, I don't know if you really got into it, but the founding legend of like, oh, I don't know if you guys really got into it, but the founding legend of like, oh, I don't know if you guys really got into it, but the founding legend of like, oh, I don't know if you guys really got into it, but the founding legend of like, I don't know if you guys really got into it, but the founding legend of like, I don't know if you guys really got into it, but the founding legend of like, I don't know if you guys really got into it, but the founding legend of like, I don't know if you guys really got into it, but the founding legend of like, I don't know if you guys really got into it,
[SPEAKER_03]: Graham Hancock talks about like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: In that case, it was one person in this case.
[SPEAKER_03]: Two people who they come from a land of fire and build this place.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also a new knocky lore.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you think about these fucking two brothers all the time, ones that fucking scientists, ones that...
[SPEAKER_03]: Right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: They wanted the scientist and what my mark on that guy, fuck.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like a scientist and a warmonger?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, one of the two.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they were on a mission they wanted to build like a sacred altar to their god.
[SPEAKER_03]: I came and pronounced it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It sounds just like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean, Andrew?
[SPEAKER_04]: I know exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pretty much it was their god of agriculture.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they wanted to build on the reef.
[SPEAKER_03]: But every time the ocean would wash away their work.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, like any good sorcerer does, you turn to magic.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then through the magic it changes everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: the, it's a magical incantation and commanded these massive basalt boulders to flow and levitate into position to shore up their altar so it would not get washed away.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what the giant magic roosters.
[SPEAKER_02]: That we're going to get to those two roosters and dragons and oh my my camera froze, but I'm still here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the, the, the, the,
[SPEAKER_02]: the story I read is like yeah they use magic to levitate and fly these stones in place but like they also some of the stories use a dragon or like sound waves a varying pitch to like levitate these things which would kind of make sense with like other tales of like the sound being a thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's like, and all these like old ancient cultures, like the sun type of sound, spoken to existence, like some type of vibram frequency, melted the stones, and molded them, but in this one, this megalithic structure is a little different, though it's not like they carved so much the stone, the stone is like that shape, and they somehow broke it and transported it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a little different, but it's still, nonetheless, the engineering, get those stones across the water, develop a break water, foundations,
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, there's like some of these stones are up to 50 tons, man.
[SPEAKER_04]: Tons.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like insane.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like the, like the, the, the,
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, and this is in the middle of nowhere, a small tiny island, like you're, it's not like, and the island's not smooth, like, for the people that argue, like, you know, build the pyramids, and they're like, yes, we can kind of mimic kind of agent tools that kind of lift these, kind of, believe this, this is like a rough little island, like, there's not enough room to fucking kind of build these things that you would need from like everything I've looked at,
[SPEAKER_02]: to move these things into place.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's very similar to like, and it's in the Pacific as well, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just rapidly, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, yeah, it's very curious how they get the stone or, you know, stones of that weight and size and move them across water.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, they walked.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those statues just walked across.
[SPEAKER_03]: That makes sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, that's like the the origin myths of this are just fucking cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then,
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you want to get to the engineering let's go with the engineering of these fucking like how can they Quarry these rocks what they say they identify sites where they likely got these what's they called the soak is rock I think it was one the most likely places.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean they didn't they've done
[SPEAKER_06]: more than a few studies about these rocks and what was the the type of um there's a really cool I forgot to put in my nose but there was a cool cool process that they could do now but they basically it's like identifying exactly where the rock came from like you can just you can compare it to it's like it's it's spectral profile to where another place is like you know like this is where they got the stones and this is where they got the rocks but yeah it's like the places that they did get
[SPEAKER_06]: from the location where they have, you know, where Namedal stands, and it's like you still had to get these huge columns, these huge heavy columns of Basel from there.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think the prevailing theory about how they cut these huge columns was like, they used a type of like a whole chocolate laser.
[SPEAKER_06]: I guess they said that they used like, uh, they would, you know, build fires or something that then use cold sea water throw it on there and then shock the, the columns and then they were just kind of full of.
[SPEAKER_02]: They would just fucking move and place the shock of the heat and cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ah, no, well, it's called, um, it's called, uh, it's called a skull, a skulling.
[SPEAKER_04]: Fuck, I have to look at.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ah, so using like rapid expansion of, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was like a thermal, they would use like thermal shock, the rock, and then like the crash would like snap off, like because because best of all, like it, a lot of places, because I mean, if you look up other places that they had the similar, like that we have it here if you do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you ever, if you ever in West Kloan and you hike Mount Bushry, there's a spot on because my Bushry isn't extinct volcano or dorn volcano.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's a basalt field and it's like those hexagon giant columns that seem like someone like carve them.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's on the trail.
[SPEAKER_03]: The first time I seen them, I was like, what the fuck are these?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's like that giant's causeway, I think was the little one that's in the...
[SPEAKER_06]: that you care and then like other other places like where they have vessel and like they have natural columns of just vessel just way it forms and then a lot of it will break off in these like long you know these long geometrically pretty like geometrically precise logs which is interesting um you know and so like some of them are saying like they they might have been able to just like pick up some of these these logs like they would just been laying out
[SPEAKER_06]: on the ground, they saw it.
[SPEAKER_04]: You did what you had to try to magic.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_04]: Atlantic Brewsters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, you're just screaming out of, in the love of tea.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, like, the thing with somebody that's all like 40, 50 tons, and obviously this culture was,
[SPEAKER_03]: Great.
[SPEAKER_03]: They were sailors.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're called micron wizards like Indonesia.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: These aren't big people.
[SPEAKER_04]: A little avids, but they have me like they were engineers.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like didn't they have some like crazy channel system?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I was going to get to that, too, because like well, we're there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like that a lot, actually.
[SPEAKER_03]: So originally I got kind of a timeline of the discovery
[SPEAKER_03]: to have one of these tabs.
[SPEAKER_03]: So in 1910, the first complete map was done by a German explorer called Paul Hambrick.
[SPEAKER_03]: and then since then nothing really happened until like the late 80s and they got underwater guys in there doing surveys on the 80 mid 80s they had some more investigations conducted by Joe's Jay Steven Athens and has found to be an imposing megalithic complex composal over 90 rectilinear eyelids.
[SPEAKER_03]: So 90 separate man-made islands in this thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then it wasn't until 2019 that they used LIDAR on this whole, not just the man-made stuff, but like the shoreline of the actual island that's beside was the island called, even have that up.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was called a... Nanway.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Believe.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyways, as Andrew said, through this LIDAR,
[SPEAKER_03]: they found something that's equally as complex engineering wise and it was like a rainwater storage system and like an agricultural like aqueduct and they had like low line places where they think they grew certain types of fruit and other like just and then they said the engineering on just this like
[SPEAKER_03]: Causeway, this aqueduct was just as great as the fucking floating island itself, but just that's just seven years ago, it's like vannis man.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it's wild that we're having that this kind of discovery because like when you look into it, you're like, you feel like we would have known it for so about this for so long.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so recent.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's interesting, too, because you try to think about the area and think about other cultures in the Pacific Islands and artifacts and civilizations, whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now that no one else had this type of technology around there, really, like the canal systems and stuff like that, you don't see that from there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, yeah, we don't see it, but that makes me think like, if they just lie to this island, and there's hundreds of these islands around there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not on the same level as this one, but like what else do they have?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the Amazon.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're doing light on the Amazon, and they're finding cities that would have held 100, 200, 300,000 people at one time.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I mean, man, isn't mangrove like one of the faster growing fucking plans?
[SPEAKER_06]: Pretty quick.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like just to just take over, if you had no people there clear in a mile, or after no generation, it'd be overgrown, be gone.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and like a lot of that, that city still has like just a lot of superstition that's around that area, just the way that's been built.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like it's been completely, like that city had been completely abandoned for a long time.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like you guys mentioned before, like there is
[SPEAKER_06]: The history of Nandal is, at least the ancient history is all from oral tradition, is back then most of the, you know, most of those Pacific Pacific Island cultures, like they didn't have a written language, just like the Reppanoui, like they didn't have a written down language, which was mostly, well, I was just mostly all that said that they believed that if you finished your story, like you finished telling your story, you were no longer useful and then you would die.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I learned about that one of the documentaries is watching.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's why like yes, it's all oral history and you never really get the full detail story because that you know, that is the reason
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like I guess they could be one of the beliefs that but they that's how they kept their traditions and so they kept their their histories.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so yeah, you have a lot of it that you know mayor may not be completely accurate, but it is stuff that that we have at least that we know like the name so that I mean you guys talked about the South of the Lord already like the sort of talk about that
[SPEAKER_06]: No, they saw the lower, like the ruling class, but that's what the twin sorcerers were kind of like the head of the start of that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: the majority of scientists or archaeologists believe that who have studied man-modal they said like this place is especially like kind of of a priest king city where the kings would live there and then they would have like their they'd also have their like their priest class like there so they could keep them under you know under under their ways or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just it's insane to me too because it's like it's fucking it's not very big like the average diameter of the island is 17 to 21 kilometers
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not very big.
[SPEAKER_03]: The whole island that this is just off of, like, this complex.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, we're talking about, like, ruling classes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I just find it crazy that, like, it's not like there's more structures found there that would, like, kind of dictate, like, that big of a thriving civilization.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's really, like,
[SPEAKER_02]: just this site like that's what I kind of found it was weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like there wasn't I didn't read much else on there being like all the islands like riddle like like the Amazon riddled everywhere like this was obviously like a ton of like a hustle and bustling like that was one of the things that kind of stuck up for me that I thought was strange.
[SPEAKER_03]: way out like there's no more of these like megalithic this megalithic structure was the national project you know what I mean like yeah everything else around it was fetched hutch probably and disappeared and but like all there's tons of islands around and this civilization would have inhabited all of them and they would have been seafaring but even then they think only like 30,000 people
[SPEAKER_06]: and then the city is like so even on that island it is like considered to be pretty isolated because it's not like it had any like we said like it didn't have any like running access like real easy access to fresh water or food or any like all of it had to be boated in all of it had to be imported into the city um
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, I mean, they're thinking that, you know, this, I guess this Namedal from what they can identify is like, it had like two sections, like there was like, there was a geographic segregation between there.
[SPEAKER_06]: You had like the lower sector and the upper sector and where in the lower sector, it was like the administrative heart of the city and this is where you would have the actual like the great Lord of the city would live.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then where the nobility would be invited to stay in that city.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it is type of status kind of thing to come in.
[SPEAKER_06]: And your high status, probably from other tribes or something like it, you would bring in your hostages or whatever.
[SPEAKER_06]: They have from other kingdoms or other high profile families, and they would live there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the Butler's Quarter.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and then you would have like, I guess there's another part.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's the tomb part of the city as well, because there's a large, like, there's a complex where there's like a number of tombs have been found where they would have like the, this is reserved for like the priests and royal burials, like where they would be, like, bear their dead.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, like the walls, and they're like seven feet tall.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like there's a massive tomb.
[SPEAKER_06]: And like all of that stuff is still to this day is absolutely like the the locals on the island like their their beliefs are like this places is very much haunted like it's very like it's it's a no go zone for most of the things like you have to you have to participate in like an uh most of them at least like pretty elaborate.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... ceremony and she gets watched at the same doctor and i did with uh... was Alexander linden that's a good one yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's the ultimate like for a can add for uh... one leg prosthesis that guy's fucking diving and climbing is an helicopter ship like not slowing down like it was badass it was awesome cool guy
[SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, but I thought the, that ceremony that I had them go with the Sakao root, where it's the Sakao root being like a, it's like a, It's like numb your mouth or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a, it's like a milder.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like a milder.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a milder.
[SPEAKER_02]: to move some stones.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: You look at that right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but it was really funny because they're doing the ceremony.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's like, yeah, we have to do this and it gives him kind of like, it does like, it does elicit a type of, you know, like, a bit of a, yeah, huh, drunk feeling.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you get high.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then, but it was funny because like, he's drinking it and you could tell, he's pretty funny.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's like feeling it Albert lens like they're like, oh, man, like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then like in the background, they had this shot of like these two old antis, like just sitting there just sit but on it, they're like, he's pretty good.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they're like,
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, it's like you have to, in order to enter the city properly, like you have to go through the ceremony where you have to ask permission from like the ancient spirits of the place and it's like you always have to do this.
[SPEAKER_06]: You don't, you don't stay there overnight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they refer to it as the city of ghosts or see ghouls.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the spirits, they call them and nids.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, and that's why, if you don't do the proper precautions, if you don't hide it, it's the only place in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you don't get high, you see the ghosts.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't get high before you go, you don't come back.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what they said in the documentary, at least.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's reports of people going there without some ceremony and you don't come back.
[SPEAKER_04]: That is some fucking high level peer pressure.
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you mean?
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't want to take the LSD Andrew?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there, did you fucking take it?
[SPEAKER_04]: Fucking die, I don't.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's crazy, dude.
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't take this, you're gonna die.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, cause, in fishermen who are local, they avoid all the canals at night cause they say strange lights.
[SPEAKER_03]: And some people even say like, see turtles become even bigger around the snarling.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fuckin' wants to, I read this one thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: They say like this, a magic that makes a sea turtles grow extra large and they're guarding the tombs.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is where the fucking Kaiju's got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the tomb of, well, I think we kind of missed this part.
[SPEAKER_03]: And how do was?
[SPEAKER_03]: Not a wise.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's, so you had the two brothers in the South of their dynasty, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And after that, that rules for a while and after a bunch of years, the fall of that is, it pretty much referred to him as the Thunder Warrior or the God of Thunder.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fucking pretty much Thor.
[SPEAKER_03]: He should.
[SPEAKER_03]: This guy shows up at 333 warriors, destroys the dynasty.
[SPEAKER_03]: which was lit, put much there for 500 years, and he decentralized the power and created a chief system, and that's actually echoes like the governance that's there today, they say.
[SPEAKER_03]: And after two after his death, he was like deified.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't help think it's Maui from Moana.
[SPEAKER_03]: For some reason.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's what I get.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but like this, this tomb is crazy.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mentioned earlier.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's seven meters tall, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Giant.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was giant.
[SPEAKER_04]: Massive too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's what I had to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: The locals were scared of too is like the fucking goat's giant.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, they said that the brothers who built the place too were also giant.
[SPEAKER_04]: They were sorcerer giants.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the that goes other myths were all these fucking guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Rappar.
[SPEAKER_04]: Are we fucking against the rest?
[SPEAKER_04]: Those are giants.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if you're just like to dumb, dumb down to like this thing, like we can, you know, we build with certain size of stones because we can manage them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he's been on me.
[SPEAKER_03]: This guy's just fucking could do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we have excavators like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, even before like like if you go back, like medieval churches gothic cathedrals and stuff, like
[SPEAKER_03]: We had a structure and we used it because we could build that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: It took generations to build anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: But we worked with what we had.
[SPEAKER_03]: So these people, it was difficult, obviously.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some accounts said it takes hundreds of years.
[SPEAKER_03]: They've gone, they've found some carbon, some remnants of fire on the island and the carbon date that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, oh, it's between X amount and X amount, but plus or minus a couple hundred years.
[SPEAKER_02]: because they have any real idea of the structure like structure like of like when the structure was placed there.
[SPEAKER_03]: no because as Dan said like there's no it's all or or all there's nothing written down and even like in that documentary some of like they said like you'll never all this the scientists come here they want to know but you'll never know because no one has the full piece of the picture no one has the full tradition horribly like every week and this is Atlantis I mean that's one of the theories during the middle of the
[SPEAKER_03]: Pacific, so wouldn't be Atlantis or would this be uh, the meria?
[SPEAKER_03]: A moon?
[SPEAKER_04]: A Garth?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I said there is Atlantis in the European.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just the European to the fucking center of the Earth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's funny to say that because there's another myth that says underneath this place, I don't know, or somewhere, it's like the connects to the underworld.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's where you have the one true king of Gondor has to go to a collected deadman of Daneiro.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's something.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's who's hiding there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Under, under, under.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some oral accounts speak of an underground, underground realm beneath the islands, a world beneath the world, connecting Nameda to the domain of the dead.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think, yeah, and I think some of that might have popped up from the actual geographical...
[SPEAKER_06]: formation of like with like right as you go.
[SPEAKER_06]: I guess like you know just a few meters out from Like the you know foot past the you know the break walls or whatever like you get out there It drops off like precipitously like it goes like it drops down like thousands of feet like underwater Like it just just won't like it just goes like straight down Yeah, these are all the peat the tops of old volcanoes.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like Hawaii.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just like just plunges to
[SPEAKER_06]: seven eight times like it's like I think they said it's like it's a kind of like that that the blue hole kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like you know that's such a huge huge just a huge steep drop off like sudden drop off.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they call it that sea floor just goes a toll right.
[SPEAKER_03]: The top on top of old volcano in the sea that's been blown off.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a not toll.
[SPEAKER_03]: A toll.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's just like a kind of a flat kind of island with coral reef and then just drops off into the abyss.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's just like, yeah, it's the, so that's one of the things where they're being like, you know, the legends would be like, yeah, that there's something, you know, this is a part of, you know, there's something all the way down there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I've done, and they've only done, what is it?
[SPEAKER_06]: They've only done, like, uh, they've done underwater exploration and that's some place like with drones and stuff, like just recently.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, they've gone down there and checked out, uh, let's go on.
[SPEAKER_06]: But it's like, yeah, that's like one of the legends that they covers.
[SPEAKER_06]: That at least it's like yeah, it kind of popped up from that because it's like yeah, it's your your city's just built there You know, it's built like Braden said it's built.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like a huge port to like where were all these boats going?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like that's the thing it just doesn't see it seems so weird to just you like if this is you just plunking a sea-faring super intelligent
[SPEAKER_02]: civilization like smack dab in the middle of nowhere i'm like to me i'm like this seems like a fucking port city on the way to something like we talked about on rap and newy and he's right i don't like you know that was probably a chain of an archer pet or archer pet or archer pelago archer pelago archer pelago archer pelago archer pelago archer pelagio yeah thank you arch pelagio
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was probably connected with a whole bunch of smaller islands and so you could kind of easily travel between the two.
[SPEAKER_02]: Part of me wonders is this is kind of the same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: If like if you were to like reduce sea levels, why guess you couldn't?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because like this, it looks like it was made to be in the sea.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like, well, yeah, it's definitely not like pre-unkered dry as like what the sea levels were.
[SPEAKER_03]: Five.
[SPEAKER_03]: What?
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, can't be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because that's all coral.
[SPEAKER_02]: right yeah exactly so it's like you're but it still seems strange that it's like it seems like you would it would be to connect someone or like a some group but it's so it's just right in the middle of fucking nowhere just seems weird to have that kind of civilized like advance civilization at this point middle of nowhere like who's that first mother fucker you know
[SPEAKER_03]: say like you go with like a linear timeline of humanity, they develop like the first ocean can you, they're on wherever Indonesia and the guys like you know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going for it and he just goes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Group of like, you know, takes 10, 20, 30 people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you ever get back?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because that's a one-way trip.
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'd say majority of the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know what it means.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you have to take like a small like village of people and just set out like, well, hopefully we land some or cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's scary.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they go trying to go a little further until you just don't come back and then you're like, you know, let's just build a, let's just log some of these 50 ton stones and make her own.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's the part of it always gets me is like, it's like, these dudes just show up, the sound of the Lord just show up as far as like the stories are concerned and like the history is like the sound of the Lord just show up and they're like, build this city, build this this architectural marvel, like build like get these, do this incredibly and labor-intensive thing for no real good reason, just it's just your your god of agriculture, like our god of
[SPEAKER_06]: It's going to be incredibly difficult.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's not build it on the island where you could probably do some agriculture.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now it's building up again.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's going to be an extreme logistical, logistically challenging, and we have to make it right here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Shalk in the middle of the water.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they're saying they ruled for like 400 years and I can see what people you know would eventually got fed up with Just like this wait the wait a minute Like a sight like this would take so long like if we're thinking that like like and you know just regular no no Sorcerers involved it would take so long to fucking build this site
[SPEAKER_06]: to build it out.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, whichever of those structures, I didn't see if they had a guess of, like, which one's became first, but yeah, it's like, it would have, yeah, it would have taken, they think say hundreds of thousands in thousands of main areas.
[SPEAKER_03]: They say hundreds of years to build it, they're like around like 1,200 to 1,500 tons of stone a year with the workforce they estimate.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is an ongoing project.
[SPEAKER_03]: that no one in their lifetime would really see much progress on.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you would get a few columns down, built in the building, you know, a few things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you like how, like, how do you keep the plans going?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's, to me, is always the craziest thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, this, it's got to be, there's only a couple of options.
[SPEAKER_03]: Either it was easy for them to do and it was way did, did it way faster than we think.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or it was just like, just iron-fucking thumb, just whipping people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Keep it like a ruling class and pretty much slaves.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's like, well, that's what they say.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was like a dictatorship.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, had to have been.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, that's what the god of thunder in that lore.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he came down and he came and ended that and blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it is like hundreds of years.
[SPEAKER_03]: Generations and generations of people building something that they would never see the end of.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like at least the pyramids, if you go with the traditional thing, it's like in 20 years, like for just guys, it's done, you know?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like it's like done in the lifetime and they can't, you have like, yeah, you have a huge work.
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, it's like this thing was like, I get, yeah, I would have been just a generational construction, where it's like, yeah, you're your dad, then your dad's dad and your dad's dad and your dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's like all worked on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't even know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you would build you, like, I don't even know what this is.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like modern day tradesmen.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm sure my dad this to me did this to me and I'll probably do it to my son too.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was like drive around and I built that built that built that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But for this guy by Carve that one piece.
[SPEAKER_03]: 10 to 20 years.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's down there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Carve that one.
[SPEAKER_06]: He in the boys.
[SPEAKER_06]: That one.
[SPEAKER_06]: You see that eight feet of foundation right there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Did that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hold life.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hold life.
[SPEAKER_03]: 22 years of life.
[SPEAKER_03]: Took it all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, part of a hundred of us lugged that day and night for four years to get it in the place That was me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't bullshit that you can do that
[SPEAKER_03]: that's a wild thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I guess what if you go with not with the traditional theory, I mean, where's that leave you?
[SPEAKER_03]: If it wasn't just this, if this, let me say it was like the same thing like it was there and these people settled their later, took it over a bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I think this is a post, I think this is a post, younger dryest civilization, like whatever this, whatever happened in that time, if we're going like a Zelzi younger dryest theory of like there's a giant mud flutter, whatever, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll take credit for the theory.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think race was wiped out or decimated and separated.
[SPEAKER_02]: kind of, you know, split and fractioned and went to different places like maybe a group uh, went to Turkey and put together Golbecki Tepi and like maybe a group settled here and they're like well listen there's fish there's plenty of fishing the weather's inclement like we can build a little port city and um, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: the civilization just because it's spread in all the resources.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like you kind of just watch, you start off with some really good tech at the beginning to build these kind of things and then within a couple generations like people don't know how to use it and it goes the way of magic.
[SPEAKER_02]: When really it was maybe like a small group of these like survivors from the mud flood.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of what I remember in my brain.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so not theory.
[SPEAKER_03]: I always talk about what we talk about all the time and I'm always thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like one guy shows up or two, like a few guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are they all in like a ship full of technology with them?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or are they outside of that or they're just magic?
[SPEAKER_03]: What the heck?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I'm magic rooster.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but if technology, you know, it's impossible to, what is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the quote where to, to figure, like, to differentiate between magic with tech wind technology so great.
[SPEAKER_03]: like it would be magic to us.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's like some just like little key that you just like turn the frequency and it can melt stones.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like so if they if they had some sort of advanced technology and they're like, ah, we'll just use it and we'll rule and we're going to make this fucking little like we're going to fucking make a little island here and rule over this, uh, these people here and you know, whatever, live out our days.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not going to share the magic with them.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why there?
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the biggest weird spot for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the weather like there looks pretty nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably picture amazing weather res What are we not far off the square?
[SPEAKER_04]: Probably does the anonaki fucking resort?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's fucking like yeah, we're probably right on the equator here like so close We got to be Where's the fucking?
[SPEAKER_06]: I guess they said it's one of the wetest places on earth like it recedes like 300 range inches of rain annually just rains every day
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like that one is just that one week that was really name on me.
[SPEAKER_03]: That solves your problem that I'm not having fresh water.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then he's raining that much.
[SPEAKER_06]: It probably rains just like every day.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's say one of those because it's like in Hawaii.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like it rains every day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why do you like the island?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, why rains every day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like on like a lot of the only bit in the Maui.
[SPEAKER_03]: But on the east side, look that there's like the black sand beach, the road to Hano or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Rain, I camped there for three days, rained every day.
[SPEAKER_03]: So by that standard, it rains every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, but like it rains insanely for not long.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like half an hour.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, it dumps And then you're like then it's nice back.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's when you eat lunch and it's when you take a lunch break from laying down fifty-ten bezel Colms.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I was I go back to the night eat lunch when you're fucking on ripping balsol It's a mess.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're just checking hop up on the cow Bring that back.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the balsals The basalt the basalt columns are like how
[SPEAKER_03]: How would you move the big ones?
[SPEAKER_03]: So if they have rafts and canoes, we know that, but obviously you couldn't put it on the raft, but there's no way it would not work.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you would, the theories are you would have to, maybe like sling it underneath and you used like the water's buoyancy to like drag it along, I guess somehow.
[SPEAKER_03]: That might work because you could not put it on your ship, if the 50 ton one, there's no way you would ever ship big enough to support that.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can either read these questions have been answered about understand why we bring them back up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Space lasers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Giant rooster.
[SPEAKER_04]: Giant roosters.
[SPEAKER_04]: And magic.
[SPEAKER_04]: What's next?
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a rooster.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was a dragon.
[SPEAKER_06]: I saw a dragon and a dragon and a dragon and the dragon's weapons could move and crack and kill the dog and breathe on it like it would breathe on it and crack them but it would also like allow them to allow the columns to like lighten and be moved.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that the legend goes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because like part of me is like maybe the dragon lore is like maybe the headsome sort of fucking flamethrower Tesla flamethrower I think you know what I mean and then the stories of that down there there's like fucking dreaded fire breathing It was a dragon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because like one of them yeah like breeze cracks a stone and then they can magically Can the dragon can levitate the stone
[SPEAKER_03]: Shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: If it just, yeah, it makes no sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the 50, the small ones, yeah, you can get guys and you get them on a canoe and, like, sort of, slap them over.
[SPEAKER_03]: But some of the big ones are up, like, I think six meters, 18 feet in the air.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like suspended, like they have at least like fucking chin.
[SPEAKER_06]: and just getting them down off at like some of the even, even some of the closest places that they had them from was like just the other side of like that small island at the, the, you know, I let that do the Namedal is a part of like, you still had to go like, wasn't it?
[SPEAKER_06]: Still you have to go around the island, like you'd have to get it from like one side of the island to the opposite side.
[SPEAKER_06]: So you need to get it there.
[SPEAKER_02]: How long are these 50 ton stones?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a good question.
[SPEAKER_02]: because it says like I'm reading an effort like estimate I punched into the grock to be like how many men to like safely lift 50 tons and it's like conservative estimate 2,000 to 2,500 men now you would need leverage and ropes and pull like you would need a technology
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you need at least simple machine couldn't get enough people on the thing to lift it like you would do diminishing returns.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah Pop it her we can get one if we can get one corner up.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can all of our entire science shoot not our fucking belly buns Just fucking one of those pop out snakes as we're lifting it
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think I said the wrong name, the island's actually, it's Pompeii, a different- It's not Pompeii of, like, no, not Pompeii.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's really Pompeii.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pompeii, Pompeii.
[SPEAKER_02]: P.O.H.N.P.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the actual island.
[SPEAKER_03]: I said I send the name of one of the towns on the island.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, aren't some of the 50-tonn ones like out in the water?
[SPEAKER_02]: there's a whole they're all over like right which makes it then that like in to me in insanely more difficult because if you were like all of the fifty ten ones are only on land like I feel like on land's harder
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, how do you lift 50 tons once you get it out to the water?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like say you do have something to float it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then you've got to lift it once you're out there to me on the same right because now you're like you said you'd need leave you leave or levers and pulleys and that kind of says like once you get on the water, it's like You're you're not really doing that on the water and it's not like you have a fucking crane on a boat, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: As far as we know, they don't have crane.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know if they even had, I was reading a bunch of stuff that they didn't even have access to a wheel or a pulley at this location.
[SPEAKER_03]: They never found any at least, like they never, never found old tech that would say that they had wheel and pulley, but I get to grow it on logs or.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some type of stone, a round stone on a hard surface.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can move a lot of weight on that actually.
[SPEAKER_03]: They got it fucking coral castle, it ever proved that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if you get it on the right, like leverage point on like a hard surface, you can like actually like turn like a 10 pound stone with one hand.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's got to be set up like 10, 10 tons stone.
[SPEAKER_02]: You said 10 pound.
[SPEAKER_02]: 10 ton.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was like, I was like, I can turn a 10 pound stone.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can go in the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: No problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you probably lifted over my head?
[SPEAKER_03]: Kenya?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I can't sound no problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably struggle with those panels that you put up on, do there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I mean, as far all these ancient megalis just like they how if there's nothing written down how it's like the pyramids Like they've found like barracks and like they have no, they've put their good theories together, but if you built for something so magnificent out of stone and you had Hieroglyphs as Egyptians you never found like a
[SPEAKER_03]: something out of like rock, something timeless like the pyramids that tell you how they were built.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, totally.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this place you had the technology to move this stuff, but you didn't have technology to make a written like didn't have written language.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: This seems or yeah, any kind of like,
[SPEAKER_06]: passing down his that's so strange no like no like pictographs or anything of that like nothing there's nothing here just oral tradition then that's it what about did they have any art or anything like that there that's one thing i couldn't find and i'm sure they did but there's nothing there's nothing there's nothing there's nothing there's nothing there's something i thought they should something about it there's like trying to find some money all the sites could find it we could work of arts
[SPEAKER_02]: There's the rocket stack and stones.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just up there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it doesn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so weird the lack of evidence.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like how much, I mean, if it gets that much rain, I wonder how much gets fucking wrecked by erosion over the years.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we just, like, we know now from the light are like how, it's even more complex than the initial mapping was.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like now they got these aqueducts.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they got a whole engineering marvel buried in mangroves.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you can't see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And unfortunately, this is, uh, this is right at sea level.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like any type of sea level rise, this place is toast, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we've got, we've got a few general, even if it only sea levels only rise a meter, three feet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ish, right so then this would be after the flood, if there was a fucking giant mud flood event.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or, like, or if, or if, like, if you go with like a sea levels were 300, 400 feet lower, then this would, this would have been built.
[SPEAKER_03]: way well above sea level.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but doesn't it make sense for some of the usage like from what I was reading the the theories is kind of like that they use some of it as aquedox and like for like maybe fishing and stuff like that so it's like it made sense to be in the water.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, yeah, it does.
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree, that's the only real mass of source of food would be fish for like big population.
[SPEAKER_02]: So then, so then if you go with that, then it's like, it seems like this structure would be built like after if there was an event.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I'm saying like, it makes more sense that like if there wasn't event that like fractured a globe spanning civilization, that the remnants of that civilization kind of went everywhere and tried to do their own thing for a little bit with what remained.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, just for me is that that one's like the post-yonger dries like the like a fuck what's that fucking awesome dude Randall Carlson Randall Carlson does all that work and like melt water pulse pulse 1A and 1B and stuff Yeah, as far as like geological time it was rapid sea level rise, but it was really over like 500 years
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not like this event triggered and these people went in one generation built all the stuff around the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: It would have been like generations later.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's our timelines are wrong, and that the flood really everything rose instantly.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, it is this, it's a head scratcher because no one knows.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even the locals are like, someone built it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You'll never really know that.
[SPEAKER_03]: You'll never really know how or why.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also just so shocking that you're like, we're finding this kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like,
[SPEAKER_02]: any time we're making these kind of new discoveries it just blows me away that like it's like people live there, you know what I mean people live in that I was like how are we not like did we not know and find out about some of this stuff earlier?
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess because lied aren't stuff it's more prevalent but it's still shocking to me.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like they knew, I guess they've known about it since like the 1900s or like a little or a little bit of the end of the What is the The 19th century or whatever like about and they could little late 1800s of whatever and then they saw like Then during the 19 was it like the 1940s The 20s.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's when they actually got an aerial view of like how
[SPEAKER_06]: you know complex it actually wasn't I think that's where it got it's um that's where it says it's got the Venice of the Pacific Monica that that kind of hangs on to it, but Yeah, it's just some of these structures that were found kind of just by accident and then like are you are like the the natives New about them and told people about them, but they're like, oh, it's just like you know It's from rocks there, but then when you see them from above you're like wait no, no, no It's a sway bigger than that and then we yet we get light our
[SPEAKER_06]: access to light are now and it's like drones and you can see like you can map these out more you have more precise mapping more detailed mapping of these structures and these complexes and you're like now these things were these were really big huge too and like huge and perfectly suited for the tides and stuff they're like in a like a log crisscross log pattern like stacked so the
[SPEAKER_03]: Not bad for people who didn't have wheels, levers, and pulleys.
[SPEAKER_03]: So goes some archeologists, because we haven't found any yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't really know how they moved them.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all oral traditions.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if they didn't have that stuff, and like, no attention to oral tradition, probably the worst way to keep history.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not the best.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know it's the best.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's fucking ancient telephone game.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is why we got why we get giant roosters and dragons funny.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's way better.
[SPEAKER_03]: Imagine our modern history passed down through Braden.
[SPEAKER_03]: He'd be like, let me, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can make this a little better.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can fucking, I can have this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm at 2,000 years old.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can hand this up a bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm God.
[SPEAKER_03]: Someone's always taking the role of God or sorcerer and then slaving the rest of their people, they're fucking will.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, it's a cool one though.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is something I looked at like a long time ago kind of forgot about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I just randomly came across that documentary on Nat Geo.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a damn, it's a good one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's, it's a cool looking site.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I agree that it's not it probably is if there was a global spanning civilization pre-yunger drives, like, pre-it deluvian, they say.
[SPEAKER_03]: This one seems as it doesn't really fit like those like Puma Punka and, uh, Saxe who am I and Egypt and all those ones would have, like, the molded, like, multi-angular stone that's seen me in the, like, locked together, different building style, but just as impressive nonetheless.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it doesn't like you said it doesn't quite fit the mold of those ones, but it's like a lost size.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it lost tech, but it just it's definitely something after to me, like after the fact that just I feel it in my guts when I look at this one because some of the theories I was reading, I was like maybe it's some theories are it's over 14,000 years old and I'm like, I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think this one, like I don't think it's is, you know, older than Gilbeckie Tepi.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, in the defense of that though, they're using stone that's undatable.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: How old is the volcanic rock?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like undatable?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it 10 million years old?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it a billion years old?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think to a point you can't really tell.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it was, they had um, I was, I know we talk about carbon dating, but we, we talked about uranium thorium dating, like the sea other method, that there's some sort of like a chemical signature like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, I think they could've been using that and it's like when people say like, oh, you can't date stone and it's like, well, now we can't.
[SPEAKER_06]: But like, I think the breakdown of what is a uranium and a thorium into uranium is a lot more like half life over millions of years.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like they're like you can get pretty pretty accurate like from from that at least like for you know from within like ten thousand years or whatever.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe, maybe less than that, but yeah, it's like, but we can, you can get a, yeah, you can get a good idea of like what some of these are.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then, but yeah, a lot of this stuff that they do have, like, least dating like the human habitation is like, yeah, just getting the carbon or something.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the carbon, usually stuffy out of the, you know, campfires or stuff like that, like if finding that we find any bananas on the side of our supposed to be there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, the transport of banana plant or whatever it was from Rappanui.
[SPEAKER_02]: Any banana sets?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I want to know.
[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't find any of those tablets that I can wrap in you, which was like a undiscovered language.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the fucking, the no language man.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're fucking blows me away.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can start way after them.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever this was built, the oral history of what this is, it starts way after.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's just like a telephone, yeah, I think it's fucking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I just can't, I don't believe that a civilization that built that didn't have a way to communicate or like pass this information, because like you said,
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess if we're thinking magic because if you pass this down because if you didn't have plans and you're just like, I think you imagine that you're trying to plan this thing out when you're like, we're not even writing any of this down.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're just gonna, I'm gonna tell you guys what I think this is supposed to look like over the course of the next four generations.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I've got just went and stuck the sticks in the sand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just gonna fucking eyeball this thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, we hear it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Seriously, maybe they did write all this down.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if we didn't have, imagine we didn't have, it'd be like this is a equivalent of if we went to the moon, but we didn't have language, and then it would just people just told the next generation that we went to the moon with nothing out that just like we went to the moon, it was me.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was your great uncle.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually I subscribed to the fucking magic now that I'm thinking about if this if this civilization had no fucking written history I'm like how do you fucking build this without anything?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like you need Matt you need to source rebrothers with magic to build this quickly Or else how fucking difficult this would be I like I can't even begin to fathom how fucking annoying imagine you had a boss and you're like this motherfucker Wasn't even alive in this thing stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just stacking rocks on the other rocks.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: It makes sense now actually after talking Mad Mark at the end of Naki or have always been here.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're still here.
[SPEAKER_03]: They continued to intervene.
[SPEAKER_03]: It could be if it's not pre-yunger drives whatever it's still the end of Naki.
[SPEAKER_03]: They could come whenever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Find like a isolated people, show up, become the source where gods and how horny they were probably turned to fucking everyone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, and then so if these two, if those brothers were Anunnaki, some type of alien being, and then the god of thunder or whatever is lightning, god was another Anunnaki, another battle, we know that Anunnaki love war more than us, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Way more than we love war, they take it to a whole new level.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they're still fighting.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the whole, that's a story.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you want to go that route, that's all really all I can tie in there, like if it's not, it's not actually a pre deluvian Civilization just fucking eight meets show no and they have the magic they got the power they got the tech But why why would if you're an alien race and you need gold or whatever why you building that what's the point of that one?
[SPEAKER_04]: Pyramids that's how you get it dude.
[SPEAKER_04]: You've got slaves doing it.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's where you go to relax Right, that's your little resort.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a little beach house.
[SPEAKER_04]: Everybody fucking hangs out Enjoy as a time goes for swim while everybody works hard get your gold.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the Florida keys Yeah, the rich people build all their houses there and
[SPEAKER_02]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_02]: They have fucking vacation homes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_02]: We like vacation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe like maybe they're a fucking war hard party hard civilization But we know how white they are.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they wouldn't do well in the sun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but we know how white they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: They would love to fucking lounge by a body of water They got good sunscreen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good sunscreen 100% there's and I took a fence when he said they're white.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're translucent.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're white.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no way like Like I would be on white to them
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, 100% dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they're that far from the sun, then they yeah, you probably like some of the accounts of them, you can see their bones like you can see their bones through their skin.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like the call them white as it's translucent translucent.
[SPEAKER_03]: It looks gray.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you would say see their bones either blood blood pumping.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know, that's all I got on that final thoughts, Dan, they were fish people and this is where they summoned up Katulu from here.
[SPEAKER_06]: Officials.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's where they showed up.
[SPEAKER_06]: So the sorcerers were actual sorcerers.
[SPEAKER_06]: They were worshipers of the old ones and.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is where they concentrated their power to use some and up one of the ancient gods to the Ikateru.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think I read somewhere that it's like it's very possible that this was one of the inspirations for H.B.
[SPEAKER_06]: Lovecrafts like the silly of the city of Ryla, because it is both that city, even though they'd been a couple.
[SPEAKER_06]: That was part of like the exact location has led to in longitude, but like the city, they're both in the Pacific, and the whole like non-euclidean geometry is probably might have come from like early descriptions, like written descriptions, you know, historians and archaeologists, like putting these into magazines and HP Lovecraft reading and not these and being like,
[SPEAKER_06]: He saw just the way that it's built and the way that those best columns, it's not a typical Western structure.
[SPEAKER_06]: We had just our solid bricks and blocks, you'd have these hexagonal columns stacked on top of each other, which is for a strange and alien to a lot of the
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, you're a lot of the mainstream culture and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's like, yeah, there's a good chance like he'd be reading this and was inspired to write some of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I don't think it's been confirmed, but a lot of, I think a lot of like HP Lovecraft like historians are like, yeah, there's this pretty good chance like that that probably inspired it.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Got to take inspiration from somewhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anything else?
[SPEAKER_03]: Would you miss anything?
[SPEAKER_03]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_03]: Got the source for brothers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Have they moved those damn stones?
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I, I, I, I, I, I magic on this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: All magic, baby.
[SPEAKER_03]: It seems to have.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the only thing that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's technology.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't understand there for magic.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm on board with that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't miss it.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's only one.
[SPEAKER_03]: gonna be one.
[SPEAKER_03]: This week, actually we got a few weeks, we're gonna go back a few weeks because we kind of missed the interview and some other stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we have Peppery, Kristen, Travis, Lauren Coleman, Tesla Tech, Donovan,
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's both for a back.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll read a couple more.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you could maybe get it done.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's buff the number.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Brenton happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: What?
[SPEAKER_03]: Trevor Broome.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I recognize last few names.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Lucky you got it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wankups.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a good fucking name.
[SPEAKER_04]: You gotta say it to us.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wankimer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as we see at the end of the things, keep those fucking eyes on the skies.