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[SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of Mad Men, today we're talking about Mad Men from Season 4.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Episode 6, Waldorf's stories.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we have a wonderful guest, very happy to have him on.
[SPEAKER_03]: You may know him from a show called The Majority Report with Sam Cedar.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ladies and gentlemen, everyone, I was welcome to the podcast, Mr. Sam Cedar.
[SPEAKER_12]: Oh, thank you.
[SPEAKER_12]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_12]: I don't even think that was a segue.
[SPEAKER_12]: It was you or didn't get a switch to anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, he's segueed into the thing he was already talking about.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I started with a segue like sentence, which is speaking of blank.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so it made it sound like a segue to those who are unfamiliar with the rules of segueing.
[SPEAKER_12]: You know, I mean, yes, but I imagine it's a great teaching teachable moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a teaching moment for everyone who listens to know what's going to sound like even if you're going to be playing this like it in a presentation with my little laser pointer.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah, some day when room like don't do this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't see what he's doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I don't see what I would say do this.
[SPEAKER_03]: When someday we are all at our final jobs, which is Teaching Podcasts at Community College, this is one of those things that we will teach.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sam, you do, you do podcast, I guess.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're show is video plus audio podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for coming on to ours.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the first question I need to ask you, which is what's your favorite advertisement?
[SPEAKER_12]: Well, uh, speaking of advertisements.
[SPEAKER_12]: Oh, all right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look at this.
[SPEAKER_03]: You see what's segue.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a good segue.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's our protest.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a pro.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's perfect.
[SPEAKER_12]: Uh, in 15, 20, 20 years of doing podcasting, that's what you'll be able to.
[SPEAKER_03]: It takes a while to learn how to do them that good.
[SPEAKER_12]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yes, I came prepared for this, but I actually, there's my favorite one, really the only one that I could, there's two that I can remember.
[SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_12]: And the one that is my favorite is the, the, the he was called Mr. microphone.
[SPEAKER_12]: by Ron Co. Now this is probably, this is an ad from probably before when you guys were born.
[SPEAKER_12]: But it was from like the mid to late 70s and it was a microphone that you you could turn your radio to and it would broadcast the microphone would broadcast on your radio.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_08]: We take over the airwaves of your own house kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I see just for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not for anyone else.
[SPEAKER_12]: Not for anybody else or your car.
[SPEAKER_12]: And so there was like a famous line where they like there's like a car convertible driving by some women walking by and it was a good looking will be back to pick you up later.
[SPEAKER_12]: That was the famous line.
[SPEAKER_12]: And then they all laughed.
[SPEAKER_12]: But it's not out because that technology just seemed so futuristic.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's magic technology.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: The weird thing about radio technology, I worked at a radio station for a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was obviously, it was owned by IHeart.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they had this big, like, IHeart conference that we all were forced to watch via live stream.
[SPEAKER_03]: And...
[SPEAKER_03]: The guy who was, I don't know if he was like the CEO of IR or whatnot, he was talking about radio technology in this way, where he was mostly just mad that it had been invented to early and he kept saying, if this technology had just been invented right now, it would be the hottest technology out there, better than internet, better than television and I just, I realize I was like, there is something magic about using the airwaves to make sounds.
[SPEAKER_03]: he's not wrong.
[SPEAKER_12]: No, it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_12]: I mean, it, it's, it's, it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_12]: It's also sort of funny about that story.
[SPEAKER_12]: Having worked, starting my audio career in radio.
[SPEAKER_12]: the radio people were just absolutely incapable of understanding with the internet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, right.
[SPEAKER_12]: And they were mad about it.
[SPEAKER_12]: They were mad about it because they were basically like, this is why I've been glad handing so many people for so many years.
[SPEAKER_12]: And I've never occurred to me that this technology would go away.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or that it would be relegated to some sort of like anti status.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, it's not it's not it's not it's not a business Really anymore and so I can understand why the guy was mad.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but it's still It still sold you's on it like doesn't go away from
[SPEAKER_12]: It's just like how I don't man overshadowed for like 80 years now, and it's uh, and it is the fun It's still live on the though of like a restaurant where they they stay open by buying left-over Salad and lettuce from another restaurant and just from serving it.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, it's fresh people still come in There's still some die-hards who come in.
[SPEAKER_08]: They listen is 3 a.m. And you want to salad.
[SPEAKER_12]: We're else you can go Exactly the four-day old salad
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the dumpster diving of broadcast technology, which is, that's beautiful.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's that Mr.
[SPEAKER_03]: Microphone commercial, at least one of them from 1978.
[SPEAKER_12]: Do you find it already?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: This Christmas party is getting a little too quiet.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's time we live in it up with my favorite Christmas gift.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mr.
[SPEAKER_01]: Microphone.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you set the dial on your FM radio and testing testing.
[SPEAKER_07]: These kids are having a fabulous time with Mr.
[SPEAKER_07]: Microphone, the cordless microphone that actually puts your voice on the radio.
[SPEAKER_07]: There are no attaching wires, so you're free to move around.
[SPEAKER_07]: Broadcast over any FM car radio.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you have to see it to understand how 70s this shit is it is and I remember that there's a guy with boombox Yes, yes, I just watch I just watch a black eye with a boombox dancing to him singing to himself over the radio Which is you know useful
[SPEAKER_01]: You can broadcast in mono, or it's a maridus in Saria.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that meaningless distinction.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can broadcast in mono or Saria.
[SPEAKER_12]: I mean technically surround sound.
[SPEAKER_12]: You just didn't have a word for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can do no big digital.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is, this is great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Special entertainers use Mr. Mike Rephone for rehearsing.
[SPEAKER_07]: and you can too, it's practical and great fun for the whole family.
[SPEAKER_07]: And for only 1288, they really make great Christmas gifts.
[SPEAKER_00]: The perfect Christmas gift at Walgreens, World With Wolko, Oscar Venture, we both Montgomery Ward.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_12]: I know there's two things I should say.
[SPEAKER_12]: One that part about the musicians using it to practice, this ad was before you were not allowed to completely lie and defraud people on television.
[SPEAKER_12]: That's why you can say that.
[SPEAKER_12]: And 1288 was a lot of money back then.
[SPEAKER_12]: Oh yeah, you could probably like you could probably look that up.
[SPEAKER_12]: But I I would imagine that's like, uh, it's probably $90.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, of today's dollars.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also 88 is such a weird number to land on for the.
[SPEAKER_12]: not ninety nine but we would trick you by doing ninety nine everybody knows that trick by that switch it up and also it's a little too close to twelve cents uh... that's not this is not a one-cent to two-cent less than thirteen bucks
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, it's a little too close to 1488, which is the white supremacist number for High Hitler and what not so please your microphone was how Hitler led his forces into Polo That was actually his nickname that's real
[SPEAKER_03]: Go Tim's heart, you just mean DJ Hitler.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, welcome, so another day of Blitzkrieg.
[SPEAKER_02]: What the gates?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what they said to our friends, too.
[SPEAKER_12]: They'd be like to pick you up later.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hello, what's the fuckers, what's the fuckers, what's the fuckerones?
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so Sam, you've seen Madman?
[SPEAKER_03]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, fuck.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_12]: I've seen it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you wouldn't be the first many times.
[SPEAKER_12]: I've seen it many many times.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I had heard that this is a show that you enjoy and actually do talk about and I think it was Emma who told me he's like, you got to get Sam on the podcast because this is a TV show.
[SPEAKER_03]: We actually watch this.
[SPEAKER_12]: There's not, honestly, there has not been that many TV shows that I watch and Madman was, I mean, Madman came on in like a real golden era of television.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_12]: And it was like Madman, I feel like the wire was happening around then in soprano.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And these are all the shows we have covered on this podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: You just made it.
[SPEAKER_12]: I think those are the only ones I've watched and Battlestar Galactica.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, hell, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hell, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So with Mad Men, was this a show that you watched as it was airing?
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you, uh, you've done some rewatches of it before?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: What, what, what are your thoughts this time around?
[SPEAKER_03]: Who are you guys?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, who's your who are your guys on Mad Men?
[SPEAKER_12]: Um, I, you know, um, I rewatched it during COVID.
[SPEAKER_12]: I watched it in real time.
[SPEAKER_12]: The one thing that really
[SPEAKER_12]: stuck with me the second time around was I was divorced the second time I watched it I was not divorced the first time yeah but it had occurred to me that divorce might be the thing to do you learned about divorce from watching madman honestly like
[SPEAKER_12]: Listen, if anybody knows my ex-wife, don't, don't tell her I'm on the show.
[SPEAKER_12]: That's for anybody who's listening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_12]: But, uh, no, I think I watched it.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I think I watched it.
[SPEAKER_12]: When I watched it, I'd remember the whole, Betty, um, I can't remember.
[SPEAKER_12]: Henry Francis.
[SPEAKER_12]: Henry's, yeah, um, a strange, both because I was interested in Henry, because I was also, I think I was doing a political talk radio at that time.
[SPEAKER_12]: But he had said to her something to the effect of like, if you don't have any power now, wait until the moment's better, something like that.
[SPEAKER_12]: And she took that as advice in terms of to time when she wanted to leave Dawn.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_12]: And I sort of felt like, oh.
[SPEAKER_12]: That stuck with me and I didn't realize it until I rewatched it a couple years after I got into Boris.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_12]: I mean, there was a thing I remember the whole show.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there were relationship is interesting too.
[SPEAKER_03]: In terms of my own rewatch, which is the first time around, I was like, Betty sucks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why is she, you know, why is she cheating on Don?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then what?
[SPEAKER_03]: What?
[SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, it's weird because I my John was cool when he cheated.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, he did it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He did it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, in a cool guy way not in some bitch way, no, but it was a caught so doesn't count really.
[SPEAKER_12]: You can help it because he was drunk.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was drunk.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also people are wrong themselves at him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like what are you gonna do?
[SPEAKER_03]: But at this time around, I'm realizing that, you know, maybe something that everyone else realized the first time around, which is that Betty is not at fault, and I don't blame her at all for the character that she becomes later on.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Dawn destroyed her confidence in her life, and now I'm pro Betty, and I think Dawn might be bad guy, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_12]: I think they're both very damaged individuals, and that's probably why they ended up with each other in that moment, and then they both sort of like went on their own trajectories from that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we'll get into more of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But first, we need to, of course, play the theme song.
[SPEAKER_13]: Matt.
[SPEAKER_13]: I'm gonna choose a madman, just drunk.
[SPEAKER_13]: You advertise it.
[SPEAKER_13]: Podcasts.
[SPEAKER_13]: Madman.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, ladies and gentlemen and everyone else today we're talking about from season 4 of Mad Men episode 6, Waldorf, stories Vince, can you break us off a little piece of that synopsis?
[SPEAKER_08]: Dawn and the agency are up for an award for their glow coat ad, Roger reflects on how he first met Dawn and Peggy get stripped for action and an old young face returns to the fold.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, all right, so that's those are the things.
[SPEAKER_08]: they had it they had me until the very end the old and old young face returns the funny talking about any I guess yeah no it's like I get where they're going with it but old old young it's like you had a you had a three item list and then you just like tried to you tried to shoehorn a Kenny College group and there why nobody cares about him I think you know it to be fair I did mark that down as the seat plot of this story so they are right you are wrong but
[SPEAKER_03]: What was happening at the time that this episode was set in?
[SPEAKER_08]: That's right Matt.
[SPEAKER_08]: We cannot evaluate a period piece divorced from its period context.
[SPEAKER_08]: We got to put some of that context back in.
[SPEAKER_08]: And we like to do that with a little segment that we call the news machine.
[SPEAKER_10]: I like my ass with Wall Street Journal.
[SPEAKER_10]: There is no big lie.
[SPEAKER_10]: There is no system.
[SPEAKER_10]: The universe is indifferent.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's news, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, that's right.
[SPEAKER_08]: We're going all this episode.
[SPEAKER_08]: It was aired August 29, 2010, which means we're going all the way back.
[SPEAKER_08]: To August 29, 1965, the year this episode of Mad Men is set.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, big things will happen.
[SPEAKER_08]: I feel like most of the stories
[SPEAKER_08]: that I read on the show.
[SPEAKER_08]: They sort of either fall into the category of quaint or horrifying.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: This one, I think this one's mostly quaint.
[SPEAKER_08]: The headline, this one's nice.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, from the San Francisco Chronicle, rated resort in closed by owners.
[SPEAKER_08]: Okay, he's trying to New York.
[SPEAKER_08]: The swinging is disco tech and the elegant Hampton's resort area closed yesterday As a result of a raid on a narcotics party given by the club's band leader last Wednesday.
[SPEAKER_08]: Hell yeah, okay, sick.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, the party.
[SPEAKER_08]: The bulls hey, like of it.
[SPEAKER_08]: When people were doing drugs at a party, you could just burst in and shut the whole thing down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is an interesting thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: They had that in, I think, the previous episode or two episodes ago, Peggy is at a party.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like an arch party or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she's hanging out with Joyce, who works at Life Magazine.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the cops come in and raid it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And at the time, you know, for some reason,
[SPEAKER_03]: We still did, growing up the same reaction when the cops came to a party like you could be 23 years old and if the cops came everyone started running.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, was this an ingrained reaction because you're used to drinking on the, you know, next to it.
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, in my case, next to a canal, but it might be different for people who lived in cities.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_12]: I got busted for smoking a giant in New York City on the street.
[SPEAKER_12]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_12]: It was a little what what year what age?
[SPEAKER_12]: I was probably in my late 20s and it was probably like the mid-90s, mid-90s.
[SPEAKER_12]: There was some comedy club.
[SPEAKER_12]: There was a bunch of comedians.
[SPEAKER_12]: We were out after it was on Ludlow Street.
[SPEAKER_12]: And it was right when this comedy scene had started to happen there.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: We got a couple of chuckleheads that were going out into the street.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_12]: They were in a cab.
[SPEAKER_12]: What?
[SPEAKER_08]: The cops came out of a cab.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, they were four undercover cops.
[SPEAKER_12]: They came out of a cab and we were all a little circle.
[SPEAKER_12]: Like, I'm trying to think who was there.
[SPEAKER_08]: It was like a...
[SPEAKER_12]: I knew...
[SPEAKER_12]: Cops cab.
[SPEAKER_12]: I mean, I had a court date with a guy named Ross Brockley.
[SPEAKER_12]: uh... could actually in the other add i was gonna say he did the uh... holiday in uh... commercials back in the day is that it was in uh... three amigos isn't that guy's name broccoli you say ross broccoli yeah
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is a comic, I assume.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, yeah, he was a comic.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_08]: That guy's name was actually Fred Asperger.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, I don't know what he's the big fat bartender in three of me because he has, that's was close enough.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, those two guys probably hated each other.
[SPEAKER_12]: But yeah, so we got busted.
[SPEAKER_12]: So it was like very much that that feel.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_08]: Pieces got some local color.
[SPEAKER_08]: The bulls had in owned by Mrs. Francis K. Carpenter of a DuPont industrial family, closed before one of the Hampton's biggest end of the season periods.
[SPEAKER_08]: The in is located in nearby bridge Hampton.
[SPEAKER_08]: Why look for trouble was in manager Pat Hemingway's only comment, guitar, okay.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, guitar player Emmett E. Boone III of New York who headed a small musical combo at the end was one of 23 persons arrested in a raid on a house he had rented there.
[SPEAKER_08]: Boone was charged with selling on our comics and held in $500 bail for it hearing.
[SPEAKER_08]: Damn, that's like $5,000.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's a lot for crazy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Almost a been a lot of drugs.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, elsewhere thing weed is legal now.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, there's no way that the federal government can just decide to Right, undo that at any moment, uh, love American drug policy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_08]: Elsewhere we got, uh, it's LBJ's birthday, and it was not today, it was in his birthday, but it was at some point in the previous week, uh, it's his birthday.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's his birthday week.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: And, uh, his daughter, the headline, is Lucy Penzepoam to Father.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_08]: This is a poem by Lucy Baines Johnson to her father-of-a-law.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: There are problems I can't understand that you must face each day.
[SPEAKER_08]: All the black and white in life is gone and the remainder purely gray.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I wish there'd be a problem that a mortal man could solve.
[SPEAKER_08]: Once again, to know satisfaction, black and white, hope and love,
[SPEAKER_08]: Though all the world is shaking at your door, you stand erect and calm.
[SPEAKER_08]: Knowing panic is man's enemy and control is bomb.
[SPEAKER_08]: Though the presidency possess you, your private life you retain.
[SPEAKER_08]: Unending love for mom, cis and me, always has and will remain.
[SPEAKER_08]: I knew where a man was coming.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yep, yep.
[SPEAKER_08]: There's a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_08]: Hems love affairs are your concern.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if that means God, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_08]: Hems love affairs are your concern as the cattle and the land.
[SPEAKER_08]: They fill your heart and rich your mind.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, you love and understand.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's got to be so embarrassing to write a poem that rhymes.
[SPEAKER_03]: How old is how old was she?
[SPEAKER_08]: She's like five.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, she is, uh, she's 18, 18, 18, 18 and she's like, I was gonna say that's a pretty precocious poem for a 11 year old.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, not too old for that poem.
[SPEAKER_03]: Way too old to be like Papa.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like you're 18 in the 60s how all right fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's cute.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is We got it we got a new it's horrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's horrible.
[SPEAKER_08]: Very cute.
[SPEAKER_12]: It's a little bit of 11.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like 18 18 at 18 in 1965 to write a poem that rhymes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, very funny to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why I guess
[SPEAKER_12]: I mean why don't get the rhyming part don't rhyme the rhyming wasn't bad.
[SPEAKER_12]: It was the fact that she had no meter Well, yeah, there was no meter so you know the bars were not fire, but no The right thing the the saying like there are problems that I don't understand like yeah, I mean come on
[SPEAKER_03]: yeah i mean tell me about the rabbits again pop listen it's all embarrassing but for some reason rhyming it embarrasses me the most i think it's because i'm imagining uh a an adult sitting around uh trying to rhyme uh understand
[SPEAKER_03]: with land and just realizing there's some there's a doctor's suit element especially since like the 60s is like the beginning one not the beginnings but this is at this point people have stopped doing doctor's suit like poetry and have started you know writing poems that don't rhyme right i mean i don't know
[SPEAKER_03]: That's me, maybe I'm just being a little bit of a stop.
[SPEAKER_12]: Maybe I'm a genuinely flum-ext because I thought you had to rhyme your poems.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I think they should rhyme.
[SPEAKER_12]: Otherwise, it's just you're just talking.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's just a pile of dumb words.
[SPEAKER_12]: It's like a weird essay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but that's what they are.
[SPEAKER_03]: You ever read a poem and just be like, oh, it doesn't rhyme, but they just put a word in a random spot on the page and you know what Dan, that's crazy deep.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, what if you press enter in the middle of sentence?
[SPEAKER_08]: I did get it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Poetry's deep.
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys just don't get it because you're not as smart as me.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I do not get poetry.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm very smart.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't think people who know me are.
[SPEAKER_12]: No surprise.
[SPEAKER_08]: Elsewhere we've got a new Miss America from Utah and I was actually I was actually surprised by how Tasteful this right up was you compared to other right-ups of beauty.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah We've read this is not our first beauty queen right up in most of them are just like Hubba Hubba you wows a You had to write about a lady like this was predated like the page five girl, but you still had to write about a lady Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_08]: San Diego, Alice Buner, a 34-year-old mother of six from Utah, was selected last night as the 1965 Miss America in the 27th Annual Paget.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_08]: The Salt Lake City Burnett had placed first in the flower arranging event of the week-long household management competition.
[SPEAKER_03]: for a moment I thought it was like, it's good there's not going to be a massage just right up and then you realize, oh no the whole deal is massage didn't it?
[SPEAKER_03]: She had to spend a week dusting.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like now we're doing the who nags the least competition and just putting laundry all over the floor and seeing if someone complains versus a person to complain loses the crowd.
[SPEAKER_08]: The 5 foot 6 Mrs. Buenor has children ranging from 7 months to 10 years.
[SPEAKER_08]: Her husband Donald is a businessman.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, shit.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that's that relates.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and finally I think you guys are going to like this one.
[SPEAKER_08]: Uh, this one got some direct parallels to today.
[SPEAKER_08]: Uh, headline.
[SPEAKER_08]: Uh, this is from the Miami Harald Bobby's son, hurt and fall 100 stitches.
[SPEAKER_08]: Uh, okay.
[SPEAKER_08]: Hi, honest, Massachusetts.
[SPEAKER_08]: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., 11-year-old son of New York Senator Robert F. Kennedy, was recovering Saturday in Cape Cod Hospital from a severe leg cut that required 100 stitches.
[SPEAKER_08]: A family spokesperson said young Robert fell off the roof of a garage behind his father's home at Kennedy Compound Friday.
[SPEAKER_08]: His leg pierced a garage window as he fell, the spokesman said.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was the beginning of my aversion to getting the jab.
[SPEAKER_03]: My leg was japped by a window pain.
[SPEAKER_12]: It was just the beginning.
[SPEAKER_12]: He got some jobs after that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was trying to spy out a pretty lady.
[SPEAKER_08]: We had a relationship from afar and that slipped.
[SPEAKER_08]: The boy was taken to the emergency department of the hospital in a barn stable Massachusetts police cruiser and was treated by family physician Dr. Robert D. What?
[SPEAKER_08]: A tendon was cut in the fall, the spokesman said.
[SPEAKER_08]: Earlier this summer, young Robert was bitten by a Portuguese man of war while swimming.
[SPEAKER_08]: Senator and Mrs. Kennedy arrived at the hospital shortly after the accident.
[SPEAKER_08]: They and their other eight children left for a New York early Saturday at the spokesman said, the family spokesman said young Robert would remain in Cape Cod Hospital for a few days.
[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, I just, they didn't left his ass there.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got to have the Google Portuguese Man of War.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like a scary, uh...
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a fish, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Jellyfish.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, all right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's, that's where, where they in Portugal, or this was, this is just... Hi, Anis.
[SPEAKER_12]: It's hi Anis, and barnstable.
[SPEAKER_12]: I'm from Massachusetts.
[SPEAKER_08]: No, they just call them Portuguese because they're, they're, they're not very smart and they'll sting you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes, just like the the old stereo type of the Portuguese that we're aware of Back then they had like ethnic whites that we don't even know about in these days.
[SPEAKER_03]: They got slurs for things that don't even exist That's crazy, man.
[SPEAKER_12]: That is funny.
[SPEAKER_12]: You know I used to do a radio show with Kennedy.
[SPEAKER_03]: What which Kennedy?
[SPEAKER_12]: Bobby Kennedy with with Robert kept how what was that radio show it was called ring of fire it was it was on air america and then they went independent and uh... i think the last episode i did with him was like in twenty
[SPEAKER_12]: 16 or 17.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whoa, that's in, I had no clue.
[SPEAKER_03]: So did he ever talk about that time that he was stung by a Portuguese man of war?
[SPEAKER_12]: There was a lot of times where it would be like, you know, I mean, we weren't, we weren't friends, uh, for say, I mean, we were friendly, but I would never see him.
[SPEAKER_12]: It was all, there was no zoom.
[SPEAKER_12]: It was just audio.
[SPEAKER_08]: Right.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I would say this, but I feel like radio would not be his medium for some
[SPEAKER_12]: Well, that was a thing, that that was a little bit of a hurdle for people on us, and he would do interviews, and I would do interviews in the producer would stitch them, so we weren't necessarily going back and forth, although there was one time.
[SPEAKER_12]: when CNN released that stuff where he's going, you know, like, Donald Trump's fascist.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_12]: You can hear it like, like, like a half a second of me at the end of that clip going, okay, well, that's some kind of, you could've said better.
[SPEAKER_12]: Something to that effect.
[SPEAKER_12]: Whoa.
[SPEAKER_12]: There were times where it was like, you know, we would do some, like, occasionally an intro or something like that and the producer would be like,
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, he's late because he was trying to release a C turtle from a net off the coast of the cape.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, look, this guy has kept himself as he was so long.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was just trying to saw it's head off.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to see if I could actually survive in the belly of a whale.
[SPEAKER_03]: I fed on his moro, I do love that he at one point did the radio, probably because people were like, well, he's a Kennedy and, you know, what are we gonna, what are you telling me?
[SPEAKER_12]: I mean, he, he was not, I mean, his politics have changed.
[SPEAKER_12]: Oh, he's a radical.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, clearly.
[SPEAKER_12]: It was, I should say, it was like a progressive radio show, right.
[SPEAKER_12]: And his politics have changed pretty dramatically.
[SPEAKER_12]: And people were excited that he was a, you know, a Kennedy and he was, he did some back when he believed that environmentalism is not a hoax, right, right, right, he did some pretty good stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_12]: But it was, there were occasionally where we would get emails saying like, ah,
[SPEAKER_12]: How can you, sir, filter this guy on the radio?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sir, filter we can use to make it like some sort of reverse chorus effect.
[SPEAKER_03]: That'll make his voice sound regular.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: There was an NPR affiliate around here when I was growing up.
[SPEAKER_08]: And one day a week they would have this guy who had like a pretty, like, moderate to severe case of Sarah will palsy read the news.
[SPEAKER_08]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, I get what you guys are doing here, but I don't think this is necessarily That's the thing some people can handle it and then some people can't I I feel like listen whoever wants to do radio audio, you know, go ahead and do it That being said
[SPEAKER_03]: When someone's voice is grating, it's usually for me, that's an odd start.
[SPEAKER_12]: It's almost, definitely grating.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yeah, by definition.
[SPEAKER_12]: Speaking of a grating voice, it's grating when that voice is grating.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good segue.
[SPEAKER_05]: Good segue.
[SPEAKER_12]: I think his voice was probably in slightly better shape.
[SPEAKER_12]: I mean he has a sort of a degenerative situation with him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, it's getting worse.
[SPEAKER_12]: It's getting worse and he would take some type of medication for it.
[SPEAKER_12]: Now I think it's just he takes testosterone for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: and I don't definitely work.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just imagining.
[SPEAKER_12]: It's a band that is neck, so it's supposed to bring you a little more bass in.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love a good warbly bass sound.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like dubstep.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do love that he decided to go in a radio, probably because he bought himself a Mr. microphone.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he said, hey, look at that.
[SPEAKER_03]: See, I made it tie all together.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that is all of the context that we need.
[UNKNOWN]: Back to
[SPEAKER_03]: pick you up later.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and ladies.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have some poems.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to write you just like I wrote to Olivia Nosey.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to dive into your mouth like I've got self-serve.
[SPEAKER_12]: I already blocked that stuff out of my head.
[SPEAKER_03]: I read that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I read that every morning like they're fucking cure for the common trauma.
[SPEAKER_03]: But before we get into this episode, I, of course, have to play a little bit of the Draper D story, and I'm a paper part.
[SPEAKER_03]: Apologies, upfront, this is me reusing a song that I did from the wire, but I'm doing the original version, and not the version by the band disturbed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here is a little bit of this week's Draper D story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry to hear this song again Because don't dreamers like a baby Make trust decisions while you are sleeping And I'll be out, I must find it in his brain And I'll change personally And let's decide
[SPEAKER_03]: You can hear the rest of the full song, a parody synopsis of a one episode of Madman at the very end of the episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're talking a lot about striving.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is an episode I think that is about the ways in which ambitious people are able to succeed because the person who can give them the thing they want is blackout drunk.
[SPEAKER_03]: I very much enjoyed this episode, Vince, you're initial thoughts, please.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I mean, this episode is all about the tension between Don being very proud of his creative work as an admin, all while knowing deep down that the whole industry is kind of bullshit driven by clients who don't know their ass from their elbow and account network that runs almost entirely on cronyism.
[SPEAKER_08]: Meanwhile, he's gotten to the top of the mountain only to realize that there's
[SPEAKER_08]: really nothing up there except the resentment of his peers.
[SPEAKER_08]: He loves it, but he hates it, and so he drinks.
[SPEAKER_08]: Meanwhile, he's doing sort of like the Max Fisher thing from Rushmore, where he just keeps having to shout out.
[SPEAKER_08]: But I wrote a hit play.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_08]: And so he deserves to get drunk.
[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, it's always a little less fun to watch a guy crash out than it is to watch him, you know, just carous and have a good time.
[SPEAKER_08]: But great episode overall.
[SPEAKER_08]: I think there's a lot of that madman jazz-scaddy dialogue that I didn't really like necessarily understand it first, but I think this time around It's it works.
[SPEAKER_08]: It doesn't, you know, it's harder to understand.
[SPEAKER_08]: Harder to parse it first, but I don't think they're trying to Confuse you as they are in some of their earlier episodes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, solid episode Sam initial thoughts on this episode
[SPEAKER_12]: I, yes, my thoughts were similar to yours, but I saw like, there was a, the atrophy of like those who have in power and the sort of like the cycle of churning essentially, but also, you know, um,
[SPEAKER_12]: Some, you know, the, I can't remember now the name of the two draper's sort of like mentee and Roger Sterling.
[SPEAKER_12]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_12]: That's his mentor.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, oh.
[SPEAKER_12]: Oh, oh.
[SPEAKER_12]: What's her name?
[SPEAKER_12]: Peggy.
[SPEAKER_12]: Peggy and that other dude, I, I, I always watch my, yeah, I always watch one.
[SPEAKER_12]: I always watch one of them TV and never know the names of the characters.
[SPEAKER_12]: Same, same, same, same, same.
[SPEAKER_12]: By luck.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, just formalism with Moss and she's, she is asserting herself and it's, like, sort of, cross, it has more implications, obviously, than just the sort of like,
[SPEAKER_12]: Dawn, outsmarting, Roger, and then that new kid, the little guy.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, you know, outsmarting or overcoming Dawn on some level.
[SPEAKER_12]: She's like, I think it's also representative of like what's what's happening in terms of like women's liberation and not so I find it really interesting because a lot about power, I think.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: I like they keep giving Dawn shorter and shorter foils like like two episodes from now.
[SPEAKER_08]: They're gonna find them.
[SPEAKER_08]: They're gonna find them a guy he hates who's just like, you know, uh, uh, work.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was really fun for me to watch.
[SPEAKER_03]: the whole Danny Seagull.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the little guy's name.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Danny Seagull arc in the story because the names in this episode by the way, a little bit on the nose.
[SPEAKER_08]: There's Danny Seagull Clarence Bird Song and Stan Rizzo.
[SPEAKER_08]: Wait, what's Clarence Bird Song?
[SPEAKER_03]: He's the guy that the Kenny Cosgrove is like friends with or I think it's last name's Bird Song and he's the one that Pete thinks is where he's the he runs Bird's eye right that's is this is a client that that that Kenny has and he's going to bring back the Sterling grouper Draper price after they hire bird's eye was a real brand
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that is still a real.
[SPEAKER_03]: I bought some frozen peas from birds.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like a couple days ago and man really committed to this.
[SPEAKER_03]: They, uh, they tasted like shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Weird because you usually like to pee in your mouth.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of a big piece of shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I really loved the Danny Seagull stuff, especially because of the way it contrasted his storyline and Dawn's storyline because there's all these parallels between both of them, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So you have both of these people who desperately want this job and they're talking to someone who is a gatekeeper, someone who's, you know, powerful and can get them the job that they want.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don actually has talent, Danny does not have talent, but he has the exact same sort of striver mentality.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they decided to make him the opposite of Don, and that he has no talent and he's the littlest man you've ever seen, and it's also an insider, like Don, you know, central thing is that he sort of had to
[SPEAKER_08]: He has no family connections.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, he has no family connections exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just love that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love when the foil is a little man.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's just something about that where it's like, you know, it brings me back to a time where you could make fun of short men before, you know, the whole short king lobby started smearing everyone as height supremacist.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's also like, he is a seagull, so he is, because Jane is Jewish, so he's like a little Jewish guy, and I just, there's, there's something about the way in which Dawn interacts with any Jewish character.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just this undercurrent of antisemitism, even though it doesn't actually have to say it.
[SPEAKER_08]: I didn't even register that he was Jewish until right now, because I just like, I don't know, he was like too unclover for me to think of as like, I love the Jewish, which is like, we're like, no, he wasn't scheming enough.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't even know he was Jewish.
[SPEAKER_03]: She wasn't holding a globe.
[SPEAKER_12]: He didn't even lend any money.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he barely rubbed his palms together.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it's a great character and the opening scene of this episode is just really great.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's super funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is him pitching his one idea to Don and Peggy.
[SPEAKER_11]: Lazy boy, the cure for the common chair.
[SPEAKER_11]: Budweiser, the cure for the common beer.
[SPEAKER_11]: Manufacturers hand over bank.
[SPEAKER_11]: The cure for the common.
[SPEAKER_09]: How about orchestra, the cure for the common cold?
[SPEAKER_09]: The cure for the common cold is the idiom I'm playing off.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's an idiom.
[SPEAKER_09]: Did you know that?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just the way that Don Draper says, do you know that to Peggy and the just the most?
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just so condescending and it's just so sarcastic.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really love, I love the way he interacts with this dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: I also like the button to the scene where...
[SPEAKER_08]: No, not that's a great.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's a great button for sure.
[SPEAKER_08]: No, that's that's that is the actual button.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's like the pre-button where Seagull says something like, oh, I thought you were going to say something else and I feel like it's this thing that Madman does which is very
[SPEAKER_08]: hard to do in writing where you sort of write an interaction that doesn't make sense on purpose.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like it's very hard to get away with writing an interaction that like does it make sense deliberately because it just usually just confuses the audience.
[SPEAKER_08]: They don't know what the intention was.
[SPEAKER_08]: But like in that one, it's like the intentions is very clear that like this guy makes everyone feel awkward and you don't want him around because it's like having this two ships passing in the night.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I thought that was just like a good little moment there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he says to him something, you know, Don says, you know, thanks for coming in or something and he goes, what was that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, you travel off.
[SPEAKER_08]: He said he was like, no, I didn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: You shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: He says he trailed off because he was so desperately hoping for the next sentence to be your hired.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, but it's also, I think, a function of like his nerve.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, or let's buy his, he might say like, yes, you would never ever say that unless you've had some sense of entitlement, yes, that came from thinking like I've got this made because Roger is my relative.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_12]: And everybody here is already sort of working for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: He has like Hutspa and also he's not the best at social graces.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's the perfect combination for Don Draper to hate this man with every fiber of this being.
[SPEAKER_12]: I think Don also thought it was a joke.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, that whole time.
[SPEAKER_12]: He literally is like, okay, not prank, yeah, get the fuck out of here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, if he was on candid camera, which is very funny and right before that, Danny goes, is there, you know, some someplace good to eat around here and he was asked my secretary and you hear just faintly, well, I don't work for you, yeah, knowing misblank and ship.
[SPEAKER_03]: The secretary is going to not enjoy this little little boy asking for something.
[SPEAKER_08]: There's also like this undercurrent that goes through the whole episode of this tension between the boomers.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like Stan Rizzo who were kind of in Stan Rizzo and Seagull were there.
[SPEAKER_08]: They have this sort of dillotontish, they're just sort of dillotontish shitheads.
[SPEAKER_08]: And of course the Dons and Rogers and all the people who live through wars hate them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is the first time we're introduced to both of these people.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is Stan Stan Rizzo's first episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's the art director who's going to remain with us throughout the entirety of the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you have Danny Siegel, who I think sticks around for a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: This got rid of cells.
[SPEAKER_03]: We need another Italian who's horny.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, I don't even, I don't even register that he was Italian because he, he wasn't doing mafia crimes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so like, I didn't know he was that until just, just now.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I also forgot that this is how we were introduced to this guy, because you kind of, if you watch this show.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, if you watch the show before you remember him as being a beardo, you know, he had like a beard, you know, I didn't even remember.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was like half hippie, he's, you know, he works there, he does art and he seems like kind of a nice guy smokes a lot of weed in the later seasons.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this one,
[SPEAKER_03]: our introduction to this dude is I fucking hate this guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's the most misogynist character they've had so far in a show filled with misogynist characters.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's really shocking.
[SPEAKER_03]: I totally forgot that this is what he was like but this is this is just a collection of all the things that Stan says to Peggy throughout this episode.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well all the girls are gone when he
[SPEAKER_06]: No, toots grab a pencil.
[SPEAKER_06]: Why don't you write down my idea?
[SPEAKER_06]: Look, I've read your brochure.
[SPEAKER_06]: I have no interest in the temperance movement.
[SPEAKER_06]: You better take your hunting and let you carry the carcasses in your mouth.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know you're ashamed of your body.
[SPEAKER_06]: You should be at least.
[SPEAKER_06]: You win.
[SPEAKER_01]: Win what?
[SPEAKER_06]: Win the prize for the smuggest bitch in the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just any other character who has been misogynist, it's always, it's come with, I don't know, it's like a baseline.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's almost like part of who they are, so you can't, you don't feel it as much.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's usually coming from a place of more authority where he's just kind of like doing it from,
[SPEAKER_08]: Right.
[SPEAKER_08]: The back of the class.
[SPEAKER_08]: The little bit.
[SPEAKER_12]: The misogyny in the show is structural.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_12]: And so nobody has to be to perform.
[SPEAKER_12]: But that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_12]: That's that's why I think like that that
[SPEAKER_12]: That's what I was talking about.
[SPEAKER_12]: That relationship is tracking what's happening in society more, where there is not, you don't have, she's superseding the structural, because she comes in and she is more senior than him at the firm, at least just because of her tenure.
[SPEAKER_12]: And I think that's why he starts to like,
[SPEAKER_08]: verbalize the misogyny as opposed to it just being structural and this is just the way it is like I don't have to ask you to go get coffee just because of course you're getting me coffee right it's it shows why they call it reactionary because it's like he's he's responding to the fact that he doesn't have that position of of automatic power and so it's like he's reacting to it by trying to like assert it in you know in this prejudice way instead of no-year plays
[SPEAKER_03]: type thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it comes off as so much worse than when like Freddie Rumsen from like, you know, earlier episodes.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's super misogynistic, but they you, they just call it old fashion because like his entire thing interactions with Betty is about, you know, trying to sell whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: product they were trying to sell uh and her strategy was like oh no women like make up because they like to the you know process but he also does get more misogynist as he loses his uh position of the Friday as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah that's of course that is you know I think that's what happens.
[SPEAKER_03]: that's why you see, you know, anytime there's progress, there's a thousand screaming guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: But with Freddy, like his whole thing was a structural sort of misogyny, which was he's like, listen, we all know that all women want in life is to get married.
[SPEAKER_03]: So for some reason, it's like it feels less offensive because it seems to come from just like, you almost feel sorry for him, like, oh, this poor old schmuck, he's, you know, stuck in his ways.
[SPEAKER_08]: where it's a place of assumption rather than like an assertion.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's it's it's he's making an assumption where is like Stan Rizzo's trying to like assert this thing where he's like no no you got to stop being such a smug bitch because you're beneath me.
[SPEAKER_12]: I think Matt, you have to assess your assessment based upon through the lens of you thinking that Betty was out of line for cheating on Dawn.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a good point, but you know, I should start this, we all live, we all learn.
[SPEAKER_08]: We all learn.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, I mean, I am going to assess it now through the lens of knowing that Stan is Italian, and that's how they be just a sort of a backwards people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Isn't that right, Vince Mancini?
[SPEAKER_08]: That's right, that's right.
[SPEAKER_08]: As I like to say, in the French version of Looney Tunes, Pepe La Pue is Italian, so...
[SPEAKER_03]: it is real and it's wonderful.
[SPEAKER_03]: So just going through this storyline.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh no, is it producer Brent?
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, it's that time.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's time for Ed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mad yourself a man here with Sam Seater.
[SPEAKER_03]: How are you doing, Sam?
[SPEAKER_12]: I'm doing well.
[SPEAKER_12]: I've learned a lot today.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes, we've learned about Jews and Italians and six.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yes, I'll both those things.
[SPEAKER_04]: We finally, we finally learned Mountain Dew, cure for the common Havana syndrome.
[SPEAKER_04]: What?
[SPEAKER_04]: That was the ad they just heard.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_12]: That's really have ice ads running on this.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have everybody did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody on Spotify.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, apparently Spotify was doing a bunch of ice ads.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let them put ads on our show.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we do.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you allow dynamic insertion of ads, they can kind of, we want to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, then you're good.
[SPEAKER_03]: See?
[SPEAKER_12]: Because our show is a daily show.
[SPEAKER_12]: So nobody cares, like five days later, we can't say that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you get to do ad reads.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you have people who listen to your show.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_12]: And so I get to read the ad's price.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's even better.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, listen, we've been reaching out to us.
[SPEAKER_03]: Please, let us read an ad for fucks sake.
[SPEAKER_03]: They got so much money.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have all the money.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so...
[SPEAKER_03]: We were talking about Peggy and Stan.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this storyline is weaved throughout, so I'll just give the basis of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But essentially, Peggy is working with Stan for the first time when we first see Stan, he is showing Megan and another secretary named Clara, a very gold water attack ad that didn't air in which it was the KKK.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, basically, uh, saying that they were against all the things they were against.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I, I just thought this was a really funny little scene because Stan was showing it off as if it was impressive and Peggy points out to Clara that the fact that it didn't air means it's less impressive.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and they are getting together because they need to come up with an idea for VIX cough drops.
[SPEAKER_03]: So throughout this episode, we see them working together.
[SPEAKER_03]: Stan is being misogynist.
[SPEAKER_03]: Peggy is mostly complaining to Stan about how she's not getting credit for the glow coat at that dawn is about to win a Cleo for.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is a theme that is mirrored with Roger.
[SPEAKER_03]: Roger spends this episode mostly
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, celebrating with Don, but also sad that Don is the one who gets all the credit for Gloco, when he was the one who discovered Don.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is, it's really an interesting, I guess, it's an interesting storyline to see because you see it plays through flashbacks.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have the way that Roger perceives.
[SPEAKER_03]: his involvement in Don's Rise, and then you see the flashback in which Roger is literally doing everything in his power to not hire Don?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just funny how he remembers it.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's also sort of doing a thing with the handoff of Eras too, which is like the
[SPEAKER_08]: Rodgers are like Rodgers struggling to write this book.
[SPEAKER_08]: He's struggling to like tell his own story because he comes From an era where like you don't talk about your background.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's like you just sort of show up fully formed and that's like What you want and now they're entering this era of like personal branding and like mythology right like he's struggling to he's struggling to create it and so all of his
[SPEAKER_08]: all of his excerpts for the book that he's trying to write or about like why his mom wouldn't let him eat chocolate ice cream and uh and like different just like the most uh mundane it's like the stuff that people who uh have never written nonfiction like that's what they think like the memoir is the right go you know you just talk about what type of ice cream you like
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: Remind me of it reminds me of I was listening to a book review of Gavin Newsom's recent memoir that has come out and yeah, so Gavin Newsom is he's out there pitching his memoir or like promoing it and it's all very embarrassing.
[SPEAKER_08]: I think that's where ghost written by this Fresno writer who's like very good and I was like shocked to learn that that was his ghost writer, but anyway, yeah
[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, what?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not you.
[SPEAKER_08]: No, it's Mark Arak.
[SPEAKER_08]: Mark Arak is like, you know, one of the only good writers that come out of Fresno in the last.
[SPEAKER_08]: Other than you.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't believe in me.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm glad you said it, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, you're pretty good for an Italian, but he's, it reminded me of the, I was just listening to the interview and this mythologizing of your own childhood to try to make
[SPEAKER_03]: modern or to try to handle the agency.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, yes, but appeal to a modern audience like like Gavin Newsom's entire I don't know biography up until you know the the last I don't know decade or so
[SPEAKER_03]: In San Francisco, he was pitched as, look at this rich connected guy who's friends with the Gettys.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And in his book, he's just like, no, I was actually really stupid and poor, and I just, you know, I worked really hard, but I was raised by a single mother.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, I had a father, but he just was like, kind of a,
[SPEAKER_03]: emotionally unavailable and just like after a while you're just like the who is this four now in your right yeah and Gavin's case it's for um all of the roofs out there who are going to buy whatever he's selling about himself.
[SPEAKER_03]: In this case, it's Roger is doing this mostly so that his legacy will be attached to something.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he wants to attach himself to more than just being the son of a guy who started the company he works at.
[SPEAKER_12]: It's the same thing though, would be between both those guys.
[SPEAKER_12]: They both want to make it feel like they did something.
[SPEAKER_12]: It's the age of anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_12]: I had to overcome a lot of stuff to get here.
[SPEAKER_12]: My mother wouldn't let me have chocolate ice cream because I would drip it on my $1,000 couch.
[SPEAKER_12]: I remember when George W. George Herbert Walker Bush was running against DuCoccus in 1988.
[SPEAKER_12]: And they were trying, and he had that problem with the,
[SPEAKER_12]: with a, maybe this, I can't remember if the grocery store thing where he, he was amazed by the, how much an apple cost.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, oh, by the barcode reader.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_12]: And it made it clear like he never went shopping.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_12]: And I don't know if that happened in 92 or 88, but nevertheless,
[SPEAKER_12]: they were trying to make him be a regular guy.
[SPEAKER_12]: And so they deployed his sister who had this famous quote, I remember where she said, uh, we were raised like everybody else by strict parents.
[SPEAKER_12]: If we left our tennis rack, it's out in the rain.
[SPEAKER_12]: We got punished.
[SPEAKER_08]: We were not supposed to leave those on the court.
[SPEAKER_08]: We had no backyard.
[SPEAKER_12]: It's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_12]: Like, he's trying to make it sound like he was oppressed by his mom.
[SPEAKER_08]: Right.
[SPEAKER_12]: Because the ice cream was going to stain his clothes and couldn't have a real child.
[SPEAKER_12]: And Gavin Newsom's out there going like I'm a regular guy.
[SPEAKER_12]: I got a 960 on my SATs There's ever no regular guy at age 50.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, members what their SAT score a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yeah, him run memory
[SPEAKER_03]: And also, in the exact same interview, Gavin tells everyone he doesn't know how to read and I just, I love taking this to the extreme where you're just like, I'm literally the dumbest man alive.
[SPEAKER_08]: Right guys.
[SPEAKER_08]: I First I wasn't even allowed to drive a car my dad had to drive the test taker.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm legally blind and death Yeah, but yeah, I'm into the state of California.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm actually Mentally disabled But anyways, so this is you know, it's funny to think about the George Bush thing cuz fast forward to now and like Trump
[SPEAKER_08]: my favorite thing about him is his obsession with the word groceries like he just learned it two years ago and he keeps saying it like it's like a mythical incantation and he just learned he's like they have this they have this word groceries this is a new word fashion where oh yeah old fashion that's what he says it means
[SPEAKER_03]: Things that you buy at a store.
[SPEAKER_03]: Talk about like the like difference Riz makes because like he's literally, you know, showcasing to everyone that he doesn't buy groceries by how impressed he is with the word groceries.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's hasn't had to think about food in terms of groceries, his entire life and that's crystal clear when he talks about this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yet he has so much Riz that he is able to make all of the
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so anyways, so that is what's going on with Roger throughout this episode is him, you know, trying to rewrite his own history, meanwhile, the flashbacks are doing him dirty.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you see, Don and Roger are at a fur coat shop, and Don is selling Roger a fur coat,
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_03]: Roger was buying for his mistress that he's buying for his mistress and Joan.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, we later find out his Joan and Roger looks at this one add and ask, oh, who does your work and he's and don says I do and in that moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: Roger hands him a business card.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dawn thinks, oh, wow, what a serendip but a thing that is just happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Roger says, no, this is because I have very specific instructions on how my wife cannot find out about this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just so clear that you see like the reality of the situation, which Dawn was able to get this job just by being persistent.
[SPEAKER_12]: and blackmailing the yeah yeah that's true is the booze and the sort of like I have he grabbed whatever power he could over uh over uh Roger which is I know that you're cheating on your wife right yeah easily screw up those directions
[SPEAKER_03]: yeah yeah for sure I won't because I am also drunk yes and I will do a similar thing in this very episode um yeah he like does everything he can he like puts his he puts his book uh in the fur coat case uh which Roger does not appreciate he shows up at Roger's job stocks him in the lobby and pretends to be taking a meeting
[SPEAKER_03]: Which Roger immediately calls him out on, and Dawn is like, yeah, okay, I'm not actually here to take some random meeting, I'm here to see you, but please give me a break.
[SPEAKER_03]: He invites Roger out for a drink, a drink, and they talk, they laugh, they go into a taxi together, and then the very last scene in this episode, Dawn shows up in the lobby again, but this time he says he works for him because he
[SPEAKER_04]: Remember when you said I was hired when you were blacked out drunk?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: So here's my question.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is that a lie?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was a lie.
[SPEAKER_03]: You think so?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm uncertain.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm uncertain about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we're meant to know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it looks different.
[SPEAKER_12]: That's the idea is that it's possible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Very, yeah.
[SPEAKER_12]: It's really blacked out and it's very possible a dawn light.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which I, I love not knowing that and I love thinking that it's possible done light about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it was interesting because, you know, you see the parallel with Danny who, uh, when after they win the Cleo,
[SPEAKER_03]: Roger and Don go back to the office for their meeting with life cereal and in that meeting the meme Yeah, he does famous iconic meme Don is pitching and they don't like his you know Was it grab life by the bullfold or eat life by the bullfold and He decides to pitch some other ideas rapid fire to them and here's about Life is just a bowl of life cereal
[SPEAKER_11]: Life is sweet, enjoy the rest of your life.
[SPEAKER_11]: cereal.
[SPEAKER_11]: Dom, they're not expecting you to do this right now.
[SPEAKER_11]: Give me a second.
[SPEAKER_11]: Life.
[SPEAKER_11]: The reason to get out of bed in the morning.
[SPEAKER_11]: Life, the cure for the common breakfast.
[SPEAKER_11]: Life, it's sweetness never ends.
[SPEAKER_11]: Life, eat it by the bowlful.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, oh, there you go.
[SPEAKER_11]: Cure for the common breakfast.
[SPEAKER_11]: That dog will hunt wonderful.
[SPEAKER_11]: I can keep going.
[SPEAKER_03]: of dawn saying I can keep going because he's just like really enjoying pitching to them.
[SPEAKER_08]: But in that home, and how many mediocre 80s comedians got a leg up in the industry from this exact situation with Robin Williams just fucking kid up there doing rapid fire jokes and being low shit.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I got to pay that guy for that one.
[SPEAKER_08]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is like the the Dane Cook story.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a Dane Cook just taking jokes from people.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, because of the fact that he stole this joke or stole this bit, he...
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, and he's blacked out drunk.
[SPEAKER_03]: Peggy tells him, hey, you have to like do something about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he tries to pay Danny off.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, I'll give you a hundred dollars.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he's like, please, no, I want to job.
[SPEAKER_03]: He doubles it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, give you a hundred dollars.
[SPEAKER_03]: Danny refuses once again.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so he's forced to then hire him.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I kind of assumed.
[SPEAKER_03]: that, you know, I blackout stupor had something to do with both of them getting their jobs, but it's possible that Don was lying about that, which would be fucking awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: And good for him.
[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, I think it's a blackout stupor that responsible either way, whether it was lying or not.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: By the way, so Dawn has the same.
[SPEAKER_08]: He's doing the Max Fisher thing.
[SPEAKER_08]: He's like, you know, he's thinking he's cocking the walk because he's just won this Cleo and he's treating everyone like they should, you know, participate in his victory lap and then there's like this time lap scene where he goes from, you know, this attractive woman at the bar to waking
[SPEAKER_08]: a like with Doris and God I always want to be I always want to know like what the casting is like listen listen you're gonna play this character it's like a girl that you don't want to wake up next to you know look over and you're just like
[SPEAKER_12]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: He we don't know when or where or what happened with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: We just know that he was so black out drunk that he's next to a brand new woman, but I do Think forward to through an entire day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, but I do think that the the the subtext of it is you what if you woke up next to someone who was a total butter face like that was that was the
[SPEAKER_03]: the like sort of the joke or if not the joke but the the implication of the scene which I thought was there a plan off that was yeah Oh, it didn't you know that But yeah Doris is is a waitress and he wakes up next to her He is missed out on picking up his kids.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is missed out on calls everything for him has gone just completely blank
[SPEAKER_03]: And he then in the next scene drinks again falls asleep for another eight hours, which is really impressive.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the episode ends with both, you have Peggy and Stan, who Peggy gets over on Stan by telling, you know, calling his bluff and saying, I'll all work naked with you and Stan can't stop having a boner.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that for some reason that just beats Stan into submission, I guess he's just embarrassed to
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess his claim was, I work better in the nude, and that's when all the ideas flow.
[SPEAKER_03]: And instead, he's just horny the whole time and looking at her titties, which causes him to call her a bitch.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it ends with Roger giving the Clio back to Dawn and saying, but before I give it to you, can you just say, you couldn't have, I couldn't have done it without you?
[SPEAKER_03]: And Dawn essentially is like, oh shit, I didn't say that, my bad, and then they, you know, high five and start making out, and then, and then we see, as it turns out, he's half right and half wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: He couldn't have done it without him because Roger is the one who was stupid enough to hire him while he was blackout drunk, but also he did do it without him because by sheer force of will.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don was able to get this guy to either believe that he had hired him while blackout drunk or actually got him to hire and well blackout drunk.
[SPEAKER_08]: So yeah, it's I also like the ring wrinkle that like as as proud as Don is of this award.
[SPEAKER_08]: He's like, you know, he's super stoked to win it.
[SPEAKER_08]: He's like receiving the respect of his peers.
[SPEAKER_08]: This is like this big symbol for him.
[SPEAKER_08]: but it's also screwing, it's also screwing him over because now when he pitches things, everybody's knock on him is gonna be like, I don't know, this seems a little artsy from you, Mr. Like a word winner.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, we'll see what happens with that in future episodes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Last thoughts, Sam is there something you really liked, something you didn't like or something that we haven't touched on that you would really like to talk about.
[SPEAKER_12]: No, I thought it was, uh, I really enjoyed that episode.
[SPEAKER_12]: I mean, it's weird because I haven't watched the, uh, the series since, like, 2021 or 2020.
[SPEAKER_12]: And, uh, to drop right in in the middle of,
[SPEAKER_12]: without really any context.
[SPEAKER_12]: It was fun.
[SPEAKER_12]: I may actually watch the series again.
[SPEAKER_03]: You should.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a good show, it's a good show to watch.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Vince, something we favor to least favor to someone we didn't talk about.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, a couple of moments, uh, there was a couple of moments with the, uh, Don's new secretary.
[SPEAKER_08]: I forget her name, but, you know, obviously the greatest new character this episode, um, there's the one where he, he, oh, it's at the very end of the episode where he opens the door and, uh, Dick Seagulls in there and she comes over the intercom and says, your little friend is way, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he.
[SPEAKER_08]: And there was also another moment that I missed the first time I watched is like It's just in the foreground.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's like a visual joke and she's she's sitting there and she's reading the want ads with a magnifying glass Yeah, yeah, it was that we're trying to get another job.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, it was
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very subtle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Very good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's so good.
[SPEAKER_03]: At one moment that we didn't delve too deeply into that I just need to say was great was it really is a meme worthy scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: When Dawn.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pitches to life cereal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I got this one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me just I'm spitball in here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, just the, you know, we all know it from the meme where he's like standing there next to, uh, you know, the, the presentation poster, whatever, and he's, he's clearly drunk out of his gourd, and, uh, I had forgotten how the scene goes down.
[SPEAKER_03]: I knew that he was drunk, but I wasn't sure if it was like, does it go well?
[SPEAKER_03]: Does it not go well?
[SPEAKER_03]: What I love about the scene is, he, well, this is him pitching it.
[SPEAKER_11]: So, life's cereal, delicious.
[SPEAKER_11]: crispy and it's got a big name, you know, there are sweeter cereals than this, but I kept thinking about, you know, nostalgia, how you remember something in the past and it feels good, but it's a little bit painful, like when you were a kid.
[SPEAKER_11]: That's a truth.
[SPEAKER_11]: And life, that's a scary word to anyone at any age.
[SPEAKER_11]: So how do we make it fun?
[SPEAKER_11]: eat life by the bullfold.
[SPEAKER_11]: Little kid, big bull, big spoon.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's something about little kid, big bull, big spoon.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's just like the quickness of him summing up like this is the thing that's going to sell it is going to be, look at how little this kid is next to this big bull and big spoon.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, I, what I enjoy about it is he's just come off of this big win, uh, you know, at the Clios, he's drunk and he's celebrating and he finds out the life people are back and he's like, no, I want to do this pitch even though I'm drunk his shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm good at this.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can do this.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't need to do homework.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can just riff because I'm, I'm like, I've worked
[SPEAKER_03]: because I'm just shit, I'm holding an award for how good I am.
[SPEAKER_03]: He shows up, they don't like what they have and he decides to just randomly spit ball some ideas because he's chasing that high of being genius.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because he's like, well, no, I came in here in order to have another win on top of my win.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not leaving till I get that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's just something about the like, addict nature of that that I thought was really good.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I also like that, I mean, and this is just a great thing about John Hammware, his hair always functions as like the drunkenness indicated.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's like you can tell just by like, like they managed to make it just musty enough in this where it's like still in place, but you can tell he's like getting a little bit shit face.
[SPEAKER_08]: Right.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's so good.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, and if I had to give this episode a letter grade and I do, you know what, I'd give it a B plus fence, what did you give this episode if you had to give it a Tough choice.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go solid B plus.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a shocker.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sam Cedar if you had to give this episode a letter grade.
[SPEAKER_03]: What would you give it?
[SPEAKER_12]: 88 is not a letter grade is it?
[SPEAKER_12]: It's not, but if I think that translates to like around a probably
[SPEAKER_03]: B plus B plus B plus it is a B plus episode of madmen and you know what I'm going to say in a plus plus episode of mad yourself a man Sam Cedar.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much for coming on and talking madmen with us.
[SPEAKER_12]: My pleasure guys that was really fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where can people find you and watch you regularly?
[SPEAKER_12]: The majority report.
[SPEAKER_03]: out on YouTube or you're wherever your podcasts are served and we're live every day new yeah Eastern it's a great show uh sometimes no I love it I mean I days a week we get some shows that I'm so great I watch it in clips you know I'm uh hey is there a clip
[SPEAKER_03]: and then I watch the clip and you know usually it's when my wife is on but also sometimes when my wife's not on but Sam thank you so much oh and also well uh what's the name of the show you do with RFK Junior we say is that still around?
[SPEAKER_03]: I need to duck.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay I'll never mind we won't plug that Sam thank you so much for coming on really enjoyed having you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks guys
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm putting on my prep school turban.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well, we have three names.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, all of them are dudes, probably.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, dude name, so let's rock and roll.
[SPEAKER_03]: First one is a William, Harry again.
[SPEAKER_03]: William, Harry again.
[SPEAKER_04]: More like, William, Harry again.
[SPEAKER_04]: We call this guy The Shrew.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's good.
[SPEAKER_04]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, next is Nathan Danger.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ooh, what do you want to be around this guy?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, we get fraught with this guy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, fraught with fraught with danger.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're calling him scary spice.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Have we done that?
[SPEAKER_03]: We never done that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so either.
[SPEAKER_03]: Scary spice.
[SPEAKER_03]: The 50's prep school name.
[SPEAKER_03]: We all know and recognize.
[SPEAKER_03]: And lastly, it is Brandon Rainville.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, hi, my name's Brandon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Brandon from Rainville.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm from I'm from Rainville.
[SPEAKER_03]: First time long time I'm Brandon from Rainville.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to say, uh, cut it out.
[SPEAKER_08]: Rain.
[SPEAKER_08]: We're calling this guy twilight because it sounds like he lives in Reignsville E. A. K. A.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's swashing to him.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, so vampires can do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a twilight movie reference.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those are the names we have this week and you can get yourself a name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not a win, he's making silence, he's trying Who's that egg he could know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's just something that I've heard you speak Maybe it's words like silent or a drop spell And Richard was heard to say this Don't you rather drink all day Can't remember what they say
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