[SPEAKER_02]: The Boston Red Sox continued to make waves as we make our way simultaneously through the World Baseball Classic End Spring Training as a country and a team respectively.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just today, right before we went live, news broke that the Red Sox were adding an additional free agent to the roster, Danny Kulom.
[SPEAKER_02]: whose name I've been pronouncing incorrectly really his entire career has been added to the roster, nicknamed Frenchy, which I guess is kind of the giveaway.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just a solid lefty arm from the looks of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't have a number as of right now when we're recording this.
[SPEAKER_02]: We just know it's a one year major league deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: But just at the surface level, I mean, this is a nice pickup.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to step right to that pen alongside lefties like Chapman and Moran, probably allows us to keep early and totally down in AAA so they can develop as starters rather than necessitating another lefty in the pen and we'll sort of see what happens with sand involves fate.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's your guys need your creation to this move.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I think one of the big question marks was the, you know, the middle belief kind of in between the starters and Chapman.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, big lefty on is, you know, I think it fills a big hole that we needed in the bullpen.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and, you know, bullpen arms, you know, I've been never going to say no, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you just, the way the league is now, it's kind of just depth in the bullpen is really what you need
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, full pen is definitely was a need going into this season.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even, you know, watching sprint training, it's definitely a need.
[SPEAKER_01]: He looks like he pitched 43 innings, had about a strikeout per inning with 43 strikeouts.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it was a 2.30 ERA.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, he's a little bit on the Olus High, but it's only a one-year deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, I'll welcome it at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's really one of those things, nothing but upside.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you have a little bit of cash to spend, mayors will spend it on the bullpen.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's typically a pretty nice place to just throw a couple million dollars, get a guy in there and see what happens because the downside ultimately is going to be pretty limited.
[SPEAKER_02]: 36, but I mean, a quick glance at the savon at the baseball reference, the guide pops out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, he's kind of like one of those relievers you've always heard his name.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's been pretty consistently in the league, whether it's on this team or that one played a lot in Oakland and Minnesota.
[SPEAKER_02]: And most recently, I think it was traded mid-season last year.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see what this guy has for us, but it goes to show that the offseason isn't really ever done until it's done.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's funny how we're deep into spring training at this point and suddenly a new name pops up, which is really nice because I feel like the socks
[SPEAKER_02]: all offseason, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: We heard about starters.
[SPEAKER_02]: We heard about batters.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one really talked that much about relief pitching.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so suddenly we get a pretty solid looking guy here, and you know, hopefully he's going to perform for the Red Sox.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, talking about the lefties, though, that is kind of a smooth transition into the main meat of tonight's episode, I think,
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, a lot of news is coming out, obviously we've been hearing about chorus quotes about how we weren't sure what this dude's role was going to be on opening day suddenly sort of the third baseman.
[SPEAKER_02]: was being a competition.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now we've heard that Durbin is going to be a lock for that seemingly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's been playing pretty well over there and chorus seems to like him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so suddenly Meyer, who was supposed to be the shortstop of the future, then became the third baseman of the now and now is sort of getting kicked off of that position.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now it's even kind of sounding like maybe there's not room for him at all on the Major League roster.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it is worth noting, of course, something just published today, right, is this rumor, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: This, maybe not a rumor, but this noise that Meyer has not been approached for a long-term deal by the Red Sox.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is something we've known for a little while, or at least speculated on.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now Chris Katillo is putting out the news.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, it's not a surprise to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It also makes me really curious what is my role in the club going to look like going forward.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you guys think about this?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just huge question marks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a big why I want to be a big Maya for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I say it's hard to say I am because it's you know, we've barely seen him, but I want to be and I really want him to be in the line up and, you know, be a guy that's young core and all this stuff that's coming out all the all the spring training stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just it's just hard to keep to think that's going to happen at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one seems to be a fan of them in the office for coaching.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, obviously, he's got obviously him enrollment of a tight, which might save him, right, to make the start, start player, you know, happy, but I, I, I, I really, I think he has a big
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, you know, he's at the age where we're going to see players get better.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll hope you hope, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So you hope to see him come in and get better.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't seem like core really thinks he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: At this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him start in, in Western.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's, it would be this heartening.
[SPEAKER_00]: At this point, I think this late, you know, like you say,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's you won't want to see him start in Worcester, you know, it's just a bad sign off the bat.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he would be happy about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but I would well, if in a perfect world obviously he's our second basement and, you know, he's matched in the ball and that doesn't seem to be the case that it's hard to imagine that right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Before I even get to my take, I mean, how the mighty have fallen with the Boston Red Sox when it comes to prospects.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what we thought were gonna be cornerstones for this franchise.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was only two years ago, we thought we had four of them, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Marcelo Meyer at that point was coming up on the precipice of being overtaking by Roman Anthony, but you had both of them, Kyle Tiel, and then all of a sudden this Christian Campbell kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, wow, we're gonna be set.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fast forward to 2026.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're all just hoping that Roman Anthony
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's like the main hope because Kyle Taylor's not here have to, you know, a fan base is out on Campbell, half doesn't know what to expect.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have Marcelo Meyer and it's interesting because you said that the front office, you know, they were never in on him, but I think there was a part of us and even
[SPEAKER_01]: Our podcast where we were like, oh, this must have something to do with the fact that he's not signing the extension But there must be some sort of deals going on and he's just rejecting it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna bet on himself pull a trust and cost us move Which didn't work out for Tristan and they're just punishing him But then it comes out from Kateo today that they haven't even approached him which just It's mind numbingly like I don't even know how to explain it frustrating that We haven't even approached him
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to possibly put him in a whistle and he was not attached to any trades.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he was quote unquote untouchable in a kettle marté trade, at least based on reports, but yet you have no faith in even offering him a contract along term, and you even want to start him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I don't know, maybe Christian Campbell is spooked to front office, and there's things they see with Marcelo Meyer, whether it be his injury history or the fact that, you know, what, I agree with you Doug, like long term, maybe his bat projects well, but you know, he did not,
[SPEAKER_01]: MLB debut as far as the bat, but defensively was electric, which was almost the exact opposite of Christian Campbell.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he came up and his bat was on fire, and he couldn't feel the ground well at second base to save life, especially in a pressure curtain situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know what this means, but what it means to me is that the Red Sox just don't know what the hell they're doing, and I don't mean that like they don't know what they're doing as a franchise and like they're not going to be good, I don't have high hopes
[SPEAKER_01]: for the season that much and less all goes well.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it just speaks to like, just make a damn decision.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, either you end on the kid, offer him a contract or at least have him start, or have a developmental plan and just announce it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're a put him in the Worcester and this is the plan, or trade him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they just, they don't know what they want to do and it seems like every day is just a yo-yo with the Boston Red Sox insert a name or a player.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he raised a lot of good points.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it is interesting with Meyer how we promoted him.
[SPEAKER_02]: We chose to promote this kid, you know, 22 years old at the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And clearly the Red Sox must have thought last year they saw something in him down in the miners that said to them, this kid is ready.
[SPEAKER_02]: This guy is ready for the majors at least a test.
[SPEAKER_02]: And presumably, based off of what we're hearing, he apparently failed that test without a lot of us at home,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, something is going on, they're seeing something.
[SPEAKER_02]: whether it's in the clubhouse, which I won't speculate on, whether it's in the practice in the batting cages, or even just on the field in spring training, that is somehow inching him, further off the roster.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it was projected that he would probably be a platoon this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: A fan graphs was guessing it would be a Maya Monasterio platoon at second pace, Monasterio one of those guys we traded for, and you know, alongside Durbin, and, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I figured, okay, fine, if if you say that my or can't hit lefties, then he's 23, obviously lefties have issues with that sometimes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, gerundoran has issues with it, mositaki Yoshida has issues with it, certainly, uh, Roman Anthony really is like the only lefty on the roster that is fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when it comes to that sort of thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, okay, we'll put to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now suddenly, it's sounding like there's a lot of a lack of faith in his ability to hit righties as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's just so strange to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: because ultimately, the guy is 23 years old.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of time left for development.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of time for him to figure this stuff out.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's so weird how just from a fan's perspective, we saw the defense, we saw some decent flashes at the plate.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, we obviously were all like, oh, yeah, this dude's at least ready to start half the games last year, you know, and apparently Alex Corra and the front office had absolutely no faith in that this dude has gone from the shortstop of tomorrow to, you know, a placeholder really a backup to Trevor story and presumably a placeholder until Elias is ready to be the real shortstop of the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very, very odd.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, before I pass it back to you guys, it is interesting how you mentioned the big four of the Red Sox prospects this Mount Rushmore that was supposed to come in like the four horsemen and sweep in a new era of Red Sox baseball and you know you have Roman Anthony leading the charge for sure, but you know you have Christian Campbell and Marcel Meyer both young, but with a lot of question marks now and Kyle Tiel on another team who has become the best Italian catcher since Hadrian.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh, it's just unbelievable, you know, and, and very disappointing to suddenly be counting on a development boost for a higher-end Campbell to hopefully join Anthony's ranks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Caltele hitting bonds for early, um, yeah, it's just, it's, it's, it's disappointing, you know, to see where they are and, you know, I mean,
[SPEAKER_00]: I think even when we were like, oh, we are four right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of people like you're not going to go for four for four with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so let's see what you can speak out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they should, but they should be getting more out of it as they are, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously Romans are studed, but they need to be getting something out of, they need to get at least two, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They need to hit on at least two of these guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so far they've only hit on one.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, they trained the other figure crochet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it's good, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But the ones they kept that they put faith in, they need to really produce and they need to start producing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we can say, and I agree that, you know, they're young, they have time to develop, but you need to show that you're developing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that development needs, you don't need to be, you know, when I'll start this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But you at least need to show the development is starting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the worry probably seems that it's not.
[SPEAKER_00]: right and that's very worrisome and you know I thought Meyer would definitely be on the roster before Campbell and now I don't know you know maybe probably neither of them but you know I don't know I think buyers still might make the team but you know it's who know at this point with Korra in him anything is up in the air I think it's hard to even predict what
[SPEAKER_01]: Ridge-Rid New Jersey native Kyle Tiel.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love how we're still talking about him and team Italy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, before I even get into more of Marcelo Meyer, I just want to say, nothing could be more annoying the soul world baseball class.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can the fact that two thirds of every player that is playing this competition could be potentially playing for Team USA.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you just went by their birth country, but I digress.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although I can't even say anything because USA couldn't beat Italy with all the people that couldn't make Team USA So congratulations to Team Italy But as far as Marcel and Maya, you know, you're to see a comment here in the chat and this is interesting because it looks like What this person's claiming is that core mentions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: He He's not consistently
[SPEAKER_01]: executing on what they're instructing him on now I don't necessarily know what that means whether that's like I'm going to imagine maybe in the batter's box and if that's the case then I could understand the frustration because I mean as much as I would like to think that his bat projects as really good it didn't look great it was very inconsistent yeah he showed flashes
[SPEAKER_01]: of where he could be a double's machine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily know if I saw a thumbs of power, but a competent hit or nonetheless.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I saw a moment's where he looked lost, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And if he's not following what the instructions are on the batting box and he's subpar at best right now with his bat, like I could get why they're not willing to risk putting him
[SPEAKER_01]: at second base and having a playful season because you know what like this team is already void of enough talent compared to some major league rosters and it's definitely power deprived.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if the one thing he was showing was power maybe your risk it but I don't know it's absolutely frustrating though because
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I really thought the only thing we were ever going to have to worry about this kid was injuries and then he was going to come up and he was going to be shortstop the future and you just prayed to God, please don't get hurt.
[SPEAKER_01]: And thus far since he came up to the MLB, he did get hurt, came to the book of returning at the end of the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, I think this kid must, you know, might be in Worcester to start off, which should be like Doug said, like taking that next step.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't even know if development is the right word.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like just looking for progression, which is another word for development, I guess, is it's this heart name to say the least?
[SPEAKER_02]: It is, you know, it's funny because I remember my impression of Meyer when I finally got to see him at the major league level.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, the one word that came to my mind instantly was composed.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this was a guy who seemed to have a really good head on his shoulders and didn't seem all that affected by certain things that were happening in the batters box around the field.
[SPEAKER_02]: A sharp grounder is hit his way.
[SPEAKER_02]: He smothers it.
[SPEAKER_02]: good arm, good instincts, good speed, you know, when it came to his offensive struggles, I felt like he took it in stride.
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw him make a few adjustments from day to day, a ball that he almost got one day, he would get the next.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I thought that that was a good sign.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, it was a microcosm of a greater season.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I did think that it, you know, indicated that this is a dude where ultimately this is a sport where
[SPEAKER_02]: the brain can get in your way more than the body sometimes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We see that with guys all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So without that being an issue, I thought this guy is kind of going to be a lock going forward to at least be an average everyday big leager, especially with a defense providing a solid floor.
[SPEAKER_02]: So to hear,
[SPEAKER_02]: that maybe he's not taking to instruction, I would love to know what the heck that means.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, what do they see about his approach at the plate that this 23 year old can't seem to fix?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's not a huge strikeout machine.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have guys on the roster who strikeout more than him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't refuse to take a walk.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have guys on the roster who are far less walking
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I say that I'm fine with not signing this guy to a long term extension specifically because of the health.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was always what was in my mind, but suddenly I'm starting to not just say, okay, well, we'll just ride this guy for four or five years see what happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: And suddenly I start to think, but why didn't we trade him, you know, because we heard that this guy wasn't touchable as you mentioned Chris.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the Kitell Martatrade made it sound like all the noise that came out of that at the very end.
[SPEAKER_02]: It made it sound like the big issue that the two clubs could not see Ida Ian was Marcelo Meyer being included.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Red Sox were offering a rise from what we heard.
[SPEAKER_02]: And instead the Diamondbacks preferred Meyer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, obviously,
[SPEAKER_02]: The club not necessarily having faith in my or doesn't speak to confidence in Rias, of course, he's still very young and several years out, but it is a really interesting note because I'm just curious, like I mean, we were obviously willing to trade Kyle Teele with no backup plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: for a guy like Crochet, which is fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: You sort of make a backup plan, which is Narvaya's who's worked out fine and should at least be decent next year, presumably based off what we saw.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just odd that we wouldn't do that for a player like to tell Marthae who was 32 granted but is also one of if not the best second baseman in baseball and was kind of exactly what this lineup seemed to need.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very odd.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is on and going back to what you said, when he, when my son hit that bomb in New York, I was like, yeah, lock, this kid's nasty.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, yeah, I'm ready for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he'll be the next year, he'll be a guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, let's all talk, this is one home run and you need to stay at him for me to be like, oh, yeah, you know, and then it just didn't happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, that's why I feel like it's there because you're right, like he had composure.
[SPEAKER_00]: with felt like that it was too big for him playing at Yankee Stadium and you know that was what was great about him and Roman was they both hit home runs, they both looked poised and ready for their moments and Roman kept going and stepped up and you know my solid did not and you know he still has the chance to and I would still like to see him start with the team and
[SPEAKER_00]: before, you know, you really make a decision on them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the only thing I could really think of with Marcelo Meyer that I can remember from last season, and one of the biggest differences between him and Roman Anthony.
[SPEAKER_01]: is, I don't know if I would say that he wasn't patient, but there was an inconsistency in his advance from even a game-to-game measure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what I mean is that Roman Anthony would have bad games where he'd be swinging a pitch as he was always patient, even from the beginning.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he very rarely was getting beat by the same pitch on a night and a night-out basis.
[SPEAKER_01]: He may have been striking out, but you weren't going to beat him the same way every night in the same series.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he would swing at a certain pitch and then like not get beat by it and then like two days later get beat by the same thing, be patient at one of that with you know similar pitchers and then have a pitcher pitching very similarly same arsenal pitches and then not be patient so maybe there was just inconsistencies and is it that's really and it would speak to exactly what George said because I mean if
[SPEAKER_01]: They're instructing him to be more patient in certain situations.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can pitchers again, certain pitches, especially looking at a strike zone and like whiff rate and like his chase percentages.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he's not listening, like I get it, doesn't necessarily make me happy because it's sad as it sounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if he's reluctant, I still think he's our best option at this point because realistically, if he's not playing second, like we're having ICF play a good chunk at second base for the Boston Red Sox in 2026.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily know how I feel about that, not too confident.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the IKF signing, I've spoken a little bit about it previously and it was one of those things that I thought was almost a premature move on the Red Sox part like, you know, we weren't quite sure about who we were going to trade for Caleb Durbin didn't quite manifest until a few days later, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And, and so I thought, oh, well, maybe IKF was just the backup plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's a lot of money to spend on a backup plan, but now seemingly you're right, he is the backup plan, not
[SPEAKER_02]: For third base, but for second base, you know, which is very disheartening.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the guys defense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously every team does that's why he's still in the league and still so sought after and can command a paycheck worth several million dollars.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, that's just not there versus either side in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not really sold on the guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're seeing a lot of speculation, you know, what's so interesting is every time you have something like this happen, especially in spring training, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You end up getting so much noise, so many people who overreact and you see a million comments suddenly about how Alex Corre has a personal vendetta against Marcelo Meyer, he hates the kid and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's so funny because like,
[SPEAKER_02]: on the type to wave my hand at that to sort of, you know, roll my eyes pretty much, but it's hard to argue against that narrative.
[SPEAKER_02]: The red socks aren't doing anything to dispel that because you do hear about how Corea is speaking and spring training about everyone else it seems.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's positive and he's seeing all this and he's being very hard on Meyer and I don't know if it's sort of a a carrot and stick approach.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if maybe Meyer, he feels is the type of guy who's motivated by that type of speech.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some guys need a softer hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some guys need a firmer hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that's the mindset at all, but this so funny how like this is the one time that we're getting really that type of rhetoric.
[SPEAKER_02]: of oh, this coach hates this player and I cannot immediately dismiss it and I'm almost kind of on board like yeah, maybe he does, I don't know Yeah, I got this point maybe he does, you know, but you know, you hope that's not the case, but at this point it seems like, you know, he might not
[SPEAKER_00]: And chorus, the guy that seems like he might have, he might be the type of guy that does hate people and does not like these younger kids.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can see that, I can see that I can see him having a vendetta, I can see the front office may be having a vendetta with him not signing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's been folded out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's something going on for them not to be totally backing him.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because it's not just like if it's just he's great in the locker room he's great everything and he's kind of not just playing that good you would think they'd want to get behind him and kind of you know give them some encouragement and stuff like it doesn't seem like that's what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I just wasn't to bolt their savants or Roman Anthony and Marcel and I started thinking about what the heck I was saying as far as last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it feeds value and you look at the width and K rate as far as percentage like it's marginal a couple of percent difference.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the real standouts for me is that when I see chase rate, Marcel and Meyer has at almost 10% higher chase rate in comparison to Roman Anthony.
[SPEAKER_01]: A hard hit is about 10% difference, barrel percentages about 6% difference.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you're looking at just those particular stats and what the Boston Red Sox have been trying to accomplish the last couple of years as far as their hitting strategy, it totally makes sense now why Marcel and Mire might be the odd man out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because just looking at those categories, which has been a huge focus,
[SPEAKER_01]: as far as, you know, from the hitting staff and coaches to the Boston Red Sox, I don't know, like if he's reluctant to want to make the adjustments to fix those things, then yeah, he is going to be the odd man out, because if you look at some of the savon charts for some of these backups, like they're not great players, but they have a higher level of consistency in those areas.
[SPEAKER_01]: that you would think that maybe you'd get a better result over the course of 162 games.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, something that just made me laugh one comment or compared it to the situation in which the Quentin Tarantino seemed to have that bizarre grudge for Paul Daniel, you know, he came up with these comments for no reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it is funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good cup.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a really funny comparison to make.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, the same commenter also agrees that maybe and hopefully it's a motivational technique.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's what we're all hoping for right is that this isn't a real appraisal or or or doesn't necessarily shine light on Myers ability or or inability as it might be.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's just concerning, you know, it's it's odd because we suddenly start to look again at the roster and how it's constructed, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And all of these weird little things like if it's not Meyer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then who is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is I KF really going to be the starting second basement?
[SPEAKER_02]: Romney is going to the I.L.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not an option.
[SPEAKER_02]: And even if he were, there was still questions about could he hit righties.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you obviously have Montestario who's good versus lefties.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you really want that every day guy or at least that two thirds guy at second base and I'm not sure who the red socks now think it's going to be it's very on obviously Caleb Durbin can play third base or second base, but you don't want to move them around too much and it seems like the socks really like them at third base just based off of spring training would I've seen so do I.
[SPEAKER_02]: You start to look at the roster, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, the nightmare situation for me is Sedan Rafael of a second base.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is not something I'm interested in seeing it all, especially because suddenly, if you do that move,
[SPEAKER_02]: you're pretty much having an all-lefty outfield D.H., right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You have that Roman Anthony, Duran, a braille Yoshida configuration, and there's only one night eaten.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's only one of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, Nate Eaton who hit that great right home run office scooble had that great three hit game in the WBC British legend Nate Eaton again right, but you know Eaton was a guy who last year in the minor leagues had a 928 OPS in 125 played appearances versus lefties.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously we've heard the socks speak very highly of him this spring training and in even offseason talking about his ability.
[SPEAKER_02]: you need to justify derand, not playing or Yoshida being here at all, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Every roster spot is valuable.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as much as we've referred to the socks as a platoon dynasty, there's only one projected platoon right now on the roster and I'm almost begging for another one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Ian's a player that every team would like to have.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but he's not a starter, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a great utility bench player that would always help anything that he's on, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: He can kind of do it, you know, he's like a five to a player that's just not that good at, you know, I mean, but like he can do it all, like he's just not that good at them all.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, he can get in there, one of the positions you need, you know, he can get you ahead, he can get you a stolen base, you know, but you're right,
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not, you know, that's not the answer, but you're right, this, the answer at second basis kind of, he's the, you know, my iron, it needs to be mine, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they're really choosing to start IKF over my, you know, it's probably a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably not a good side.
[SPEAKER_00]: And but I don't think anyone wants to see Rafael at second, you know, maybe a couple
[SPEAKER_00]: No one wants to see that I mean, could it possibly be the best offense of lineup?
[SPEAKER_00]: We could put out if we could have all of them playing maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, we have the best, he's the best centerfielder in the league, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You want, you want them out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need him out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just, it's, you're right, it's, you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: With the lefties, it's just a whole across the board now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just brings a lot more balance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Durbin, I like Durbin, no Durbin, could end up being a really good piece for us this year, but it just keeps coming back to my needing to be, we just need him to be the answer there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the whole fan base wants him, and that's why it's so glaring that COVID doesn't want him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if he's really not being that subtle, but even if he was being subtle,
[SPEAKER_00]: We would still be picking it up because it's not praise.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's really what we're looking for here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it would be absolutely ideal in another universe it would be as you'd have my or in Campbell fighting for second base.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the other one ending up in Worcester until stories not on the team.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then ideally you would have, obviously, my or short stop, Campbell's or second baseman.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have three or four prospects.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not the case.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the wild things, like if you go on the Boston Red Sox website, you'll get a depth chart just for the infield.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to read it all to you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you guys know, Nerviah, so obviously's catcher, first base, contrary to be expected, second base is still Marcelo Meyer.
[SPEAKER_01]: So apparently the people who run the website for the team don't realize that Altscore hates him, third base Caleb Durran, short stop driver story.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the outfields even while they're so left field, gerendoran, centerfields, side-down Raphaella, right field is where you're afraid you, and our designated hitter is Roman Anthony.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is according to the Boston Red Sox website.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then if you choose Google, we've got Roman Anthony at left field.
[SPEAKER_01]: Trevor Story, it's your stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jared Durant is a DH.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wilson contraris is playing for his base.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, your brain was still a right field.
[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Durban third base.
[SPEAKER_01]: Say it on Raphael Centerfield.
[SPEAKER_01]: Marshall Meyer is still second base.
[SPEAKER_01]: Karoster Meyer's catcher and designated hitter, Masataki Yoshida.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know what we're going to get neither does apparently Google or the Boston Red Sox website.
[SPEAKER_01]: But nonetheless, man, it's not great options when you realistically look at what the platoon's could be.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still love my guy, Nick Sogard.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna ride and die with him, maybe he's a close second.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, what is nice is that we do have options if people get hurt.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's sad that Romanians all, it doesn't look like he's gonna be a part of this platoon in the beginning and the infield due to injury.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully he gets better.
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, the question mark that we have at second base should not be the question mark that we have.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what really well said, you know, while we've been speaking, a couple other new pieces of information have sort of broken out first off on the Danny Kloom signing, it was only a one year one million dollar deal, which is potentially amazing value for a guy who ultimately should be a pretty solid lefty option in the pen.
[SPEAKER_02]: really nice to get a guy, especially on the older side just for a buck.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's nothing, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: In order to make room for him on the 40-man, we have put Roman Gonzalez, unfortunately, on the 60-day, however, per sources, and I saw a Catello tweet this out, per sources, initial indications on Roman Gonzalez are that he will need some sort of cleanup procedure, but not a major surgery that would threaten his season.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what Catello says.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's a really good sign.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully that means he should be an option down the line.
[SPEAKER_02]: But of course, you know, that's presumably a second basement versus lefties.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't too convinced that him versus righties last year.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we still need the other half to that duo.
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe it will be next to our, you know, maybe it will be even a surprising guy like Seagler or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We certainly do have depth at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: it just again kind of feels like that sort of roster where you kind of want just one more trade.
[SPEAKER_02]: One more trade could really set us up and I don't know if we're going to get it before the season starts.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know if we're going to get it before the deadline.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not making any more bold claims about weather gerundoran will be here in a year.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know the
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure, that's a good word for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think actually, yeah, and I'm mind boggling.
[SPEAKER_00]: So just, you know, it's, they could go anyway at any time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's all surprising, none of it's surprising.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, it's just, it's kind of a circus right now, but it's still, you know, putting out a good team.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it just, it does seem like a lot of times, you know, they'll make a good signing here
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of 55 feet, like it's a coin flip with time at this point with all every move they make.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll leave it off with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that the thing with the red sox is there is every day that goes by becomes evidently more clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is low margin for error with this team.
[SPEAKER_01]: We look at a team like last year, which had a hell of a lot more power potential.
[SPEAKER_01]: then this team going into 2026 and all took was one injury in one trade to completely derail in offense and I mean, have other teams just look at us like we really weren't threat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you hear in that Yankee series, we weren't a threat to go yard.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like now for nothing, we all complain all season long.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, I mean, you should have millions of runs.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're playing a beach box.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we had the same opportunity to play in that same sandbox and hit some balls out of the yard in a three game series all played in the Bronx.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that there was that story one where he hit it to the warning tracks.
[SPEAKER_01]: We all thought it was a three one or one.
[SPEAKER_01]: and we were taking that series in two games.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't, we went down in three.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this team is already going into the season at about 60% of that team's power potential.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if we lose, I mean, anyone, looking at what we have as far as puttune and dynasty at any position, we are screwed.
[SPEAKER_01]: when it comes to the offense potential.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we could maybe manufacture runs against bed teams by getting creative around the base pads and playing small ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: When it comes to the American League East and the American League playoffs, like at some point you got to score runs and it's going to have to come in big moments via a long ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just don't know if this team has it in them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And with all this news, it's not getting any easier.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think my closing thoughts are pretty much that this team is kind of bizarre in a lot of ways.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I would say almost in terms of the depth that we've added this offseason through trades and free agents.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're built to survive injuries more than we're built to survive under performance.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think under performance would actually be the worst case scenario where suddenly a guy who we're counting on.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, doesn't even just go down what happens if he's struggling to hit the ball?
[SPEAKER_02]: What happens if the defense is awful?
[SPEAKER_02]: What happens if Trevor's story takes a huge step back?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or Sedan Rafael, or Brian Beio?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're kind of stuck with those guys on the roster and the guys that you have waiting in the wings,
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you would then need kind of overcompensate, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And suddenly, you know, you're not counting on these guys to just fill in the gaps, you're counting on them to step up to the plate as a star.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then obviously the horrible nightmare of dead money, you know, comes in.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know,
[SPEAKER_02]: You've heard in the NFL, some teams run like a four, three defense, some teams run a three, four.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the red socks are about to run the first ever three, four baseball defense with three infielders and four outfielders because the alternative, I'm really not sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's where I'll end it.
[SPEAKER_02]: What about you guys, any closing thoughts?
[SPEAKER_01]: They're actually running an 80, because they've got eight infielders that could potentially require the end of the game this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like what seems like eight outfielders, that's my closing thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, it's, with all this going on, I'm still, you know, looking forward to watching them be.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still think a good team.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, but, you know, like you said, it's counting on people to do things, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they do do those things, then I think we can still have a good year with all this craziness, but it's, it's something nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well said, opening day is March the 26th, as far as I'm aware, assuming what I have written down as correct, we're creeping closer, you know, we are getting close to the end of the WBC still have a lot of Red Sox players in it, which is very exciting.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see whether team America or team Italian America ends up maybe doing that we'll definitely see about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I should be a pretty fun ride, and just hopefully, once we reach opening day, the Red Sox will have a little bit of momentum, a little bit of identity, and hopefully we'll be ready to go out there and win some games.
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