[SPEAKER_01]: Hey guys, we've got a special breaking news extra episode this week because there is breaking news and we've got the perfect person for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am, of course, talking to Motoman of Motoman TV and we are going to be talking about some cool cars that he's driven including the Lamborghini Temerario, if I said that right.
[SPEAKER_01]: The ZR1, which I'm excited to hear all about, the Corvette, of course, at the BMW M2CS, the Yang-1ing U2 Extreme and the ULU-27 is in that right mode, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, hold on a second, don't forget, also the ZR1X.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Z-R-1 products.
[SPEAKER_02]: Please, the most interesting one out of that entire list.
[SPEAKER_01]: Over 1,200 horsepower, but before we get to that, let's talk about the breaking news because there's a convergence of a lot of interesting things happening today.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I want to get this episode out there as soon as possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is, here's the breaking news, Dremoral, Honda just announced that they're killing all of their electric upcoming electric vehicles.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that includes the...
[SPEAKER_01]: zero series SUV, the zero series saloon, in other words the sedan, and of course the Akura RSX, all dead as of today, and they're taking, and get this 15.8 billion
[SPEAKER_01]: dollar right off as in B and the executives because I guess they feel bad about the fact that they're taking such a huge loss or taking three months of 30% less pay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that was interesting on the same day where gas prices have reached now almost $95 a barrel and I'm wondering and I want to get your opinion
[SPEAKER_01]: when you have the convergence of EVs dying and yet gas prices rapidly increasing because of what's happening in the Middle East, whether and when that will actually change people's buy habits.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let me know your thoughts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm going to start with the headline, what took so long for now the fourth card manufacturer to announce a crazy right down with EVs, the second headline is the two are not related, the cost of a barrel of oil, which you and I just checked before we got onto this, has gone from 100 down to 84 back up to 94 92 as we're talking.
[SPEAKER_02]: The two are not related, obviously, a significant geopolitical issue impacting that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's put that out there with that where do you want to dive off into?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's start with the fact that, like you said, this is the fourth manufacturer.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're of course referring to Ford, which I think took a $20 billion right off.
[SPEAKER_01]: $18.5.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then who else, Atlantis?
[SPEAKER_02]: General Motors and Stellantis all took right down.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Volkswagen Group has yet to announce the right down.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm thinking their right down is going to be even higher than all of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's potentially true.
[SPEAKER_02]: I currently had 65 billion with the B in right-downs and really, I think, I think the headline here and it's just something you and I, because you and I generally agree on most things.
[SPEAKER_02]: the the pace of EV rollout is where you when I have disagreed like I love EVs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got to I've got a 240 charger in the hanger.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that the big at the big value of an EV no one talks about is you don't have to spend any time in your day looking for energy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't sound like a big deal but it's game changer.
[SPEAKER_02]: However
[SPEAKER_02]: forcing it down the throat of people that A, don't have the lifestyle for it, and B, frankly, don't have the income for it, that was the issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what we're seeing now is reality coming home to roost and the car manufacturers are finally saying, you know, uncle, they're tapping on the table and saying, we give up and they're willing to admit the wrong doing here of committing
[SPEAKER_02]: to a strategy that frankly wasn't fleshed out in time before forcing it down the throats of different municipalities as well as for-profit concerns in Western Europe as well as in the U.S.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I am completely with you on board.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that people should be forced to buy anything, on a loan, you know, the most expensive, second most expensive purchase in their lives.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was wrong and stupid by the politicians to,
[SPEAKER_01]: mandate.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think at best they were optimistic and worse.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were unrealistic time schedules.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're going to switch to olivies.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that created the exact opposite of what they were hoping to, which is I think most people when they're forced to do something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you're like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or like, if you, you know, we're going to go the other way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're going to take this head me out of my cold dead hands because the
[SPEAKER_01]: this is what I grew up with, this is what I love.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm 100% I'm bored with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: What I'm not I'm bored with is the fact that EVs have become political.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's become like a bad you wear that represents what side of the political spectrum you're on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to me, I love all cars, I don't know man, I do, I just love.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't care what powers them, whether it's the East or the East.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't go so far saying, you don't just love cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a bit of a junkie.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't like, you can't turn off that checkbook.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a problem for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, no, it's my passion, and I'm lucky enough to make it my job.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I really have a hard time where it's gone to, because it's gone from like, no, I don't want this to know you can't have it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's completely flipped the other way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you're seeing an administration that is actively trying to poison the well of electrification.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I wouldn't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is where you and I are going to do this is not an administration saying we're poisoned in the well and saying electric cars are bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is this is the reality setting in.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is many years and I don't want to say it was just the Biden administration or the Obama administration.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was a combination of Brussels and Washington, a number of progressive legislators that came in and said, we're going all EV and we're doing it on this collapsed timeline.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, you and I both know a number of engineers, CEOs, chief designers, chief whatever that went in, you know, in private to a number of those legislators that said, look guys, we can't do it on the timeline you are proposing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then ultimately political pressures they caved and they went down this route.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some manufacturers like general motors looked at it as if here's an
[SPEAKER_02]: pay for my R&D.
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't work out that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now we're seeing the unfortunate, um, we're seeing the end of the rainbow, which is sixty, sixty five billion dollars and write down in for profit concerns.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me just to find my, uh, statement with facts, uh, because I love you because you're, you believe in facts, uh, which is nice, which a lot of people don't seem to believe in
[SPEAKER_01]: So, look, I am completely opposed, and that was never for subsidies.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that we should be subsidizing electric cars or subsidizing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I called it a gift for rich people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I don't believe we should be subsidizing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Farmers I don't think we should be subsidizing big oil.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't believe in subsidies.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe in the free market I'm very much a free market person and I think you know if you work hard and you have a level of playing field as much as is possible in this world Which is not easy then then let the best company or they are we agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: But I made a statement, I said, this administration is actively poised in the well, and that is true.
[SPEAKER_01]: The government came out and they provided subsidies for the build-out of electric stations, which they did very poorly, by the way, electric charging stations, and a lot of individuals invested a lot of time and money into that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then when Trump came into the office, he pulled those contracts illegally, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not legally, he didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't pull contracts before they were assigned.
[SPEAKER_01]: He pulled contracts after they were assigned.
[SPEAKER_01]: And after money was designated and spent on the part of the people who had those contracts.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is actively poisoning the well.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other way that they're actually poisoning the well, as you know Trump loves, you know, coal, and he keeps saying these things that are absolutely untrue.
[SPEAKER_01]: The coal is clean, coal is not clean, it is frickin' dirty.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a fact.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has pulled contracts that have been assigned.
[SPEAKER_01]: For wind offshore wind just anything that has to do with renewables.
[SPEAKER_01]: He hates.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is this is not a Idea that I'm coming out with out of love field.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a stamp substantiated by facts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah He's gone the opposite way and look I'm the kind of guy who's like, okay, we went left and now we're going right So I can kind of see that you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the way the world works to put that in a retort to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, go for it Okay
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to retort with half facts and half a theory that I have, and Nathan and I, I don't know if the audience knows this Nathan is my neighbor now.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's also a member at my cigar lounge.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Nathan and I see each other practically every night, and we have discussed this theory I'm going to share with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number one, in responding to your facts, some of this, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, to the vector go the spoils, you want an election and we've changed the spending of the government.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now that cuts both ways.
[SPEAKER_02]: four years ago, we lost an election, they got to determine the spending and the deck was very much stacked against companies that were building internal combustion engine cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was very much against the idea of building out new refineries.
[SPEAKER_02]: You realize there hasn't been a refinery, a new refinery built in this country for something like 50 plus years.
[SPEAKER_02]: The first one,
[SPEAKER_02]: Just got announced yesterday.
[SPEAKER_02]: A new refinery.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why is that important?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you're going to have more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Forget about the price of oil.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to have more throughput refined finished product, meaning what goes to your gas pump.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to have more available, more refineries working on it, which lowers the retail price.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's really
[SPEAKER_02]: As a number of moving parts in terms of the cost of the energy, it's yes, the what we pull out of the ground, then how many different concerns are actually creating it into a real product, and then you add in the taxes and the local municipalities, what they put on it, and that's how you get to the final price.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'll give you another like fact example.
[SPEAKER_02]: This got so out of hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: an airline bought their own refinery because the price was so unstable they figured let's control or what we can control.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't have an oil field but we can buy a refinery and that's exactly what Delta Airlines did and I think it's Pennsylvania.
[SPEAKER_02]: They bought an old Philip 66 refinery.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as a result, they control the price of what goes in their jets up and down the eastern seaboard, and then the stuff that they can turn to the jet fuel they sell into the market.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not disagreeing with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Elections have results and they have ramifications, but what is especially disconcerting and troubling and sleazy in my opinion is when the government
[SPEAKER_01]: illegally because these a lot of this has been rolled illegal both with the with the wind farms and with the subsidies that were handed out and signed up for with small businesses to build out the charging infrastructure were illegally canceled and what the government did.
[SPEAKER_01]: knowingly was they knew that if they canceled these things they were going to get taken to court and they were going to lose in court which they have but by the time they had lost in court they would have won because the people who were doing these things didn't have the workflow or the money to actually fight and hold on that long until the contracts that they were legally granted actually were fulfilled.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just think that's the government not
[SPEAKER_01]: fulfilling its promises.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a government working against its own population.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, yes, if those contracts weren't awarded, hell yeah, I pull them.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's your prerogative.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if those contracts were signed, if that money was allocated legally, then you don't have the right to cancel that money.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was done and dusted to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you start, let me return to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is why I want to bring up the theory.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just gave you facts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now let's talk about the theory.
[SPEAKER_02]: The theory is,
[SPEAKER_02]: There's always a pendulum.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pendulum swings this way, pendulum swings that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not specific to the US.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not specific just to politics, culture, and cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: It works in everything in life.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are times when you're in favor, and there's times you're not in favor.
[SPEAKER_02]: What we're seeing right now, and this is going to be, I know the comments are going to light up about this and you're probably going to get torched, but if you look back into the 30s to the 40s, we saw the world all saw a very, very graphic example of what is too far right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think everyone would agree with that, and that's not like a world war and Germany, Hitler.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was everyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one would disagree with that statement, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: flag waving, German, you and I, you and I have always agreed that we should cut off the French said.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, fair enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about the people and the polite con, people like Andre, Andre is part of the polite conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you get rid of the Marxist on the left and then the Nazis on the right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we saw a very graphic example.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone, everybody in the polite conversation would agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's too far right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But not since then
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would argue that the Biden administration was an example of too far left.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what's being undone.
[SPEAKER_02]: The problem is, everyone in the polite conversation, not everybody agrees on that yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: There still isn't a, a, a buy-in of this is officially too far left.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my controversial statement.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nation and I have argued about this over cigars.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm happy to argue with you about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what's too far right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you what's too far right.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you sell off our land, they say ours because it's yours and mine, everybody who's watching it and our children's land, for profit, you get rid of all the BLM land so that they can mine it, they can,
[SPEAKER_01]: drill it, they can, you know, dig holes, and then of course create super funds because companies that do that are going to go bankrupt eventually and they're not going to fix it when you sell it to private industry so that I'm going to go over here because this is where a lot of the right is at a lot of hunters and don't have the ability to go hunted and that's where this administration is at.
[SPEAKER_01]: This administration is actively trying to sell our children's
[SPEAKER_02]: with their you really want to make this political today don't you know but it's true I mean you you want to see to me if you think for every example you want to go to the right I could give you ten examples on the left of how too far left has has has
[SPEAKER_02]: But maybe it's not BLM land, maybe it's not oil, maybe it's not cold, it could be other aspects of culture, but you know, we could we could have this debate of what about isms back and forth.
[SPEAKER_02]: gives you independence.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is the reality of the situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some energies, I love me some renewables, my friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's got to be reliable, it's got to fit within a matrix of economics.
[SPEAKER_02]: And frankly, the government doesn't need to be supporting that.
[SPEAKER_02]: in the bleeding edge world, that's what I, as you know, I came from a tech world 15 years, that's what the VC world is for.
[SPEAKER_02]: They take those huge bets, they bet 100 times and then three of them pay off and become the Amazon's and pay pals and Tesla's of the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what's happening in clean energy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every one of the colleagues, that M2 CS right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: BMW is like a VC fund right now, putting a crazy amount of bets in solid state batteries, clean energy, renewable energy, and that's BMW.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not so much general numbers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I want to bring that point out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me finish by saying that the reason I think you've gone too far right is when you start doing things that can't be undone, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You said the pendulum swings, but once you sell off,
[SPEAKER_01]: Our land, our land, the people's land, not Trump's land, not Biden's land, not Congress's land.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your land in my land, the land that I use to go off-roading the land that a lot of my friends used to go hunting, that stuff's never coming back.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to come back.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gone forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think back in the, you had a historical reference, let me make a historical reference.
[SPEAKER_01]: Back in the day when we had the old oligarchs in America, right, the railroad barons,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah rock on the steel bearings right that there was this contract
[SPEAKER_01]: that was made with society.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was, we would allow you to amass a huge amount of money doing railroads, doing steel, Carnegie obviously.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in exchange for that, you had to provide some public good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why you have Yellowstone, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think that was Rockefeller was convinced to property and turn it into a national park.
[SPEAKER_01]: doing all these libraries across the country, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Selling off the steel company and then building libraries.
[SPEAKER_01]: And with the tech titans, that contract no longer exists.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, the tech titans are like, hey, we are the kings of this world.
[SPEAKER_01]: We will do whatever we want, we will do however we want.
[SPEAKER_01]: And right now you have a government that is supporting that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why you're seeing this huge inequity because I'm going to stop you there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to stop you there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the...
[SPEAKER_02]: But so what the audiences know is before we got on on this this version of recording it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I asked, you know, did you really want to get political?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you wanted to get so, and again, for the voice out, and this is goes for both Roman and I and Nathan.
[SPEAKER_01]: For Nathan's out here to defend himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like how I throw them right into this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's he's coming kick it in screaming.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's only like four miles from here right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's part of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway,
[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't get that people will argue, you guys are getting political standing on your lane.
[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't get political.
[SPEAKER_02]: Politics came into our lane.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I completely agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why all we're doing is taking out the trash.
[SPEAKER_02]: So with that, I'm gonna respond to your comments here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, you like facts, I'm gonna give you facts.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a great way of looking at this.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got, we talked about the pendulum, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: How it swung, it was Biden over here in Obama over here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you've got Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, $47 over here, okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: But the reality is, no one looks at how we got, everybody says, oh my God, we got Trump, or oh my God, we got Biden.
[SPEAKER_02]: When in reality, this started my friend way back in the counterculture revolution, which in turn was started by a group of Marxists that came over to this country, look it up, the Frankfurt School, which effectively took a part,
[SPEAKER_02]: our society from inside, by basically tearing apart the culture, starting with the education system, and that turned out now three-four generations of people that was universal to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where you got the counter-cultural revolution, university, then into government, then into corporate, and that is why we have this back and forth pendulum swing of screw
[SPEAKER_02]: So you got to go back to where it started, and ultimately I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have to get back to that contract with society of Okay, you could, and this is where I get to be a bit of a religious guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know this about me, you know right now I'm going through my 11-year-old nephew the kids incredible the kid He started a lemonade stand on his own
[SPEAKER_02]: He was the VP of the price in committee, meaning he came up with his own price.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the price for a glass of lemonade was 50 cents.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because he knew no one had 50 cents that they would give a dollar.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what person is going to ask for change from a 10-year-old.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I couldn't make four grand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Four grand.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should hire a dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: How old is he?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm solicited.
[SPEAKER_02]: He came to me and said Uncle George.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to invest into ETS.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I said to him, is that some sort of special Lego thing you want?
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't drop by the 11-year-old wanted to invest into funds.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now what I'm doing is I'm explaining to him the very basics of there are only three things you can do with money.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can save it, you can spend it, and you can give it away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's that third part that you're focusing on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree, there's a portion of it that for better culture, you do give a portion of some people that it's really with us.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's something that changes something within you and it changes something to the recipient as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would argue, instead of going back and forth, the trunk did this and buying did that, what the hell changed in the culture to get us to this point?
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so let me bring it back to cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're a motor man, a junior there who is obviously going to follow in your foot steps.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the question that I'm asking myself is, yes, of course, Honda didn't make this decision based on the war.
[SPEAKER_01]: They probably made it a long time ago before this ever happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, but I had this experience with my wife like 20 years ago when gas went through the roof.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the L.R.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was, she was, she was, oh, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was commuting to Denver, and it was costing her a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so she wanted to cut that expense and at that time there was one hybrid and that was a pre-is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so this was like the second gen, third gen if you count them on that we didn't get.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I wasn't looking for a Prius because you're spending all this money on gas driving a Denver and back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the only one we could find was like the very top level.
[SPEAKER_01]: And at that time Prius was like $23,000 and the one we bought was like $34.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I had like heads up display all this crap we didn't want but that's because the dealer knew that everybody wanted a Prius because gas was super expensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the question is at what point will
[SPEAKER_01]: People start making a different decision on the kind of car they want because the one thing that that is True about EVs is that if you charge them in home at night at least now There are a lot cheaper to run than the equivalent gas power car if you go charging publicly It's gonna be about the same, but at home at night.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's still relatively cheap How much is gas in California today?
[SPEAKER_01]: How much has it gone up?
[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you at?
[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you guys at?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so that M2CS, I just gave it back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had to put gas in it before I gave it back because I ran it dry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just paid a five, 19, a gallon for premium.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's still pretty reasonable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Costco.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was at like two weeks ago, I was at like,
[SPEAKER_01]: For premium, it's $2.99, now it's $3.99, so it's gone off about $1.99.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but don't cry for me, Argentina.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and that's that's Sam's club.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you think I'd be the classical guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're the big chees actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to tell the audience this because I think it's so funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Roman, I think, trade emails and like, you know, people have different signatures like some people do the Eastern philosophy stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some people say like, you know, best regards.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always do looking forward.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is something.
[SPEAKER_02]: big cheese.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, what big cheese?
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're talking to the big cheese of TFL over here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for a long time, I put like producer, I put publish here and I'm like, we don't publish crap.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're doing videos.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what is my title?
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought CEO was like too hotty.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, CEO was that right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then everybody in the office calls me the big cheese.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was kind of funny and goofy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not I wasn't trying to be like, you know, haughty about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, this is just silly.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's what people think of me here So that's why I put it in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you should go with like chief Lincoln correspondent a Lincoln like Mark 4 correspondent Okay, there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like Mark 5 dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mark 5.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it a Mark 5?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a Mark 5.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Lincoln kind of a Mark 5.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't
[SPEAKER_01]: 75th anniversary.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lesson to the youngins and the other people are just starting in business.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the things that I did when I was first starting both my tech business as well as this business.
[SPEAKER_02]: I never had a business card that said like owner or like president or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, biggies.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I put it like if anything I put like salesman or like analyst or you know something that was lower Yeah, because you want to let people you don't want people to say to know that you're the decision maker It's kind of like an old trick that you see in like Asian business culture like if you were to negotiate With like a group of Japanese You want to be deferential
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the guy who's the boss is in the back.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's quiet you want to be the guy in front and let them think That you don't have any power and you have to go to the guy in the back and that's what I did when I first started both of my businesses All right, so let's let's let's play game here.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Play game the real play game The answer is 9-11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, now we're going to get those in a sec, but I want to take, I want to take like your mind politics out of it, but let's, right now, let's, let's take Iran in its word, right, that they want to see.
[SPEAKER_01]: All prices go to $200 a barrel.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just taking me through.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying it's going to go there I'm not saying that's we who wants to see it go to $200 a round right?
[SPEAKER_01]: They want it Yeah, yeah, that's what they said Okay, publicly which translates to about $7 a gallon give or take that's what that would translate to okay Let's play it and let's just let's just take them into a word at that point Would people start making different purchasing decisions
[SPEAKER_01]: based on the fact that fuel is now that expensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: In other words, right now we're at a moment in time where the common wisdom is that electric vehicles are failed in America, that they're too expensive, that everybody wants either high-breds, or
[SPEAKER_01]: Hemies, but at what point does that go out to window and people are like, hey, maybe that hybrid, or maybe that era of is not such a bad idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: At what point in the fuel pricing does that happen, or does that not happen to people just running out of it?
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: You, if you're driving the zero one X no matter what.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, I want to point out you are older than me, but you are an eye or the name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I wanted to be very clear about that, because you're a good guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the gift of clarity.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and plus gray mode, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is, let me tell you, this is just because I've been driving so fast in my zero one X.
[SPEAKER_02]: And my temporary, although, you know, if I'm choosing between the two, it's the zero one expert.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they will talk about the cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not going to change, and I'm going to tell you why.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to change because good, better and different, my friend, the public, whether it's over in Europe or here.
[SPEAKER_02]: everyone has short memories.
[SPEAKER_02]: People are very emotional in their decisions that they shouldn't be emotional in.
[SPEAKER_02]: So how many times have you and I seen gas spike and go up and down and up and down?
[SPEAKER_02]: And you would think after gas spikes, people would never make the choice to get a Tahoe again, but General Motors prints money on Selen Tahoe.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it might have a temporary pain of putting
[SPEAKER_02]: that actually let me take that back.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't know the emotionally sticking to the towel because they don't want to amputate the towel.
[SPEAKER_02]: In reality,
[SPEAKER_02]: The question you should be asking, what how is the world set up where it's in the best interest of more countries in the world to keep oil at a certain price?
[SPEAKER_02]: And that certain price is somewhere between $70 and $90 of battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where the market doesn't collapse.
[SPEAKER_02]: People still have jobs, but it doesn't go above a certain amount where people feel pain at $7 a gallon.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'd say two things.
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, I watched the landman, so I heard that you feel that you watch landman.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that your answer?
[SPEAKER_02]: The answer I just gave you was not based on landman.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's based on, but what I'm going through this memory 2008, 2009, people still went and bought towels.
[SPEAKER_01]: But basically in landman, there is a, there's a point where on the radio, he's driving his truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: have you to truck down the road and the radio, they make this exact point that if gas gets too expensive, it's bad for the oil companies, it gets too cheap, it's bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the other thing to understand, this is maybe because I'm old, is that you are all that spikes in fuel have real consequences in the automotive world.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to bring it back down to cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember when the fuel crisis hit in the 70s, because I was a young little kid, and I was sitting in the back of the car while my dad was waiting in fuel lines.
[SPEAKER_01]: It killed or almost killed the big three and it allowed the Japanese to come in because the next car that my dad bought after that Mark fired that we had talked about was a Honda Civic
[SPEAKER_01]: and basically what that allowed was to to Honda Nissan to come into America and establish themselves with a foothold and we're seeing kind of the same thing repeated self now with Hyundai and Kia in some ways, right, where they're coming in underneath the established brands.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, yeah, people have short memories, but
[SPEAKER_01]: the fuel price bikes do have real consequences.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it changed basically the way that people drove and the kind of cars that people drove.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because at that time, my dad before then had an LTD, which was crap.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then American car manufacturers were caught completely unaware and completely in trouble.
[SPEAKER_01]: You remember the Shavet?
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a shavette and drag added as it was limples yeah I mean these are just these were horrible cars right where they tried to do that uh and to me this moment feels like that it feels like hunters out there saying hey by the way we're killing all of our EVs and the world saying oh guess what uh it's $75 a barrel and it may go higher let me okay I need to retort on this because
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of moving parts that impacted the shift in the 70s from, you know, General Motors selling 500,000 grand per year to one horrible car.
[SPEAKER_02]: They car.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was a horrible car.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was always in the job.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm biased to owner del Dorado.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I'll be very good there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have tell you story.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is my mom.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea how she did this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm in home now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like 16.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just started driving.
[SPEAKER_01]: She has a Grand Prix, a dual-dooled color.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it like an SJ, like a 75, 74?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, this was like a, it's supposed to have been in high school, I would have been an 80s Grand Prix.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was a...
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so the mid-sized G-body.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the hood was like...
[SPEAKER_01]: dark burgundy in the rest of the car was right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a cool girl.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a craft car.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she comes in and she's like the car won't start.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, okay, let me go see what's wrong with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I go in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think her key like the cranks, but it won't start.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what my mom had managed to do, which I couldn't do to this day, was driving exactly home on the last ounce of fuel so that it ran out when she turned it off in the garage.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you do that?
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you do that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Your mother was clearly talented.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's win the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, magicians.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so I need to respond to this because there's a lot more moving parts than an oil embargo from the 70s, so yes, you have the oil embargo and you know with all the stuff with with Iran going on right now, if you look at my my YouTube feed right now watching all these like old 60 minutes interviews with you with the shop back in the day to kind of understand of frame what's going on right now highly suggest you guys watch it, but this is a kind of weirdo crap that I watch anyway you can see why there are
[SPEAKER_01]: or, you know, history may be doesn't repeat us all, but there are definite rhymes that are happening with what happened to your rhythms.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're definitely rhythms.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, so you had the oil embargo, and you had General Motors Ford Chrysler,
[SPEAKER_02]: on this side of the oil embargo, they had these very large, very fuel-in-efficient cars, and then for a long time, you had these Asian manufacturers making efficient cars, why?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they were rebuilding from war, there weren't a lot of resources.
[SPEAKER_02]: Energy was hard to get in that part of the world, so everything had to be more efficient.
[SPEAKER_02]: they already had an advantage and that the product was already ready for a shock to the system.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then, let's get past the oil embargo, you get into now, general motors, Ford, Chrysler, everyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have to completely heal all the system overnight.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got to make they got to take the grand prix that was this in 77 and make it this size so your mother can drive it
[SPEAKER_02]: What happens when you do things fast?
[SPEAKER_02]: You fall on your face, and the product isn't as good.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you had Asian manufacturers.
[SPEAKER_02]: They had this great product.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-oh.
[SPEAKER_02]: They had a currency that gave them an advantage.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they could sell in the US and repatriate more money back to Japan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because basically that's kind of what China's been doing with their market right now and that they keep, they depress their currency so they can, at that point, I wouldn't go so far as to saying Japan was dumping in the US at that point.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the currency,
[SPEAKER_02]: that the basically the the FX worked to their advantage so they could sell you a car a cheaper and be that was more efficient that's why people like your dad went over there now granted market forces had an impact if you remember when your dad bought that civic he didn't pay sticker he paid over sticker and it wasn't a GT3 because market forces had retail actually he didn't at that time the civic was the cheapest car you can buy in America it was two and a thousand what year
[SPEAKER_01]: 80 late seventies early eighties i think it was it was a first one make let me correct myself it wasn't a civic it was a cv cc it was it was the one before the civic and this would it's so my dad bought that he was also smart or stupid i don't know he bought that car like three years before he started driving he must have been in the seventies so that when i started driving he gave me this piece of crap
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was a piece of crap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I put on these these like casey lights because I wanted to make it cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can make cool and they drew so much power that when you turned them on, then you would go like, But if you had that car today and brought it to Radwood, you would be a rock star
[SPEAKER_01]: I would, because because what you said, the medal was just horrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just, you know, rusted away.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, let's talk about the car behind you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can give you one more point about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now fast forward, 2026.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that and this kind of segue is what we're talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: China.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have a currency advantage.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have a currency as well as a manufacturing advantage.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yes, they set up for example.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do manufacture in, I believe, BYD manufacturers and Brazil, they manufacture in Hungary.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what they're doing is they're doing a combination of let's manufacture cars in the market to get around taxes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And let's send over like whole sections of the car that have already been manufactured in China at a much lower rate.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the car that is competing with the RAV4 and RAV4 should cost 30 to 40 grand.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can sell it to you for 20 grand.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is effectively dumping.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what Canada is about to get themselves into because they've opened up their market to the Chinese Carmen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I think with Canada, they were important.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they were importing the Teslas from China, and that's what's gonna happen again.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what happened was when they put the tariff on the Chinese cars, they started importing the Teslas out of the free-munch factory.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Francisco, and I think what most people are saying is BYD just asked if they could import cars in the Canada.
[SPEAKER_01]: But most of that is going to return to the Chinese-built Tesla.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of it won't be the traditional Chinese cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be Tesla's that are built in China that are going to be shipped to Canada.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're American cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they are looking at putting on.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: there was discussion of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't say a hundred percent certain would love some Canadians to weigh in in the comments.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a whole discussion of putting taxes, higher taxes on low production internal combustion cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cars like Mianos, cars like Z4s, I think they only sell the manual now, but cars like Z4s, cars like Corvets.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not just we're gonna have more EVs in the market, but the tax rate changes kind of goes to back to what we're talking about before the pendulum going each way.
[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously it's still very much over this side and can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, tell me about that zero one extra.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm dying to know what's it like?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did does your guy have like a bleep button?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, there's no, it's me.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no my guys left.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's just no other no cursing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, close not here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So don't just sleep yourself, please.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I'll believe my son is bleeping and credible.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is an F in moon shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: There.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like no other moon shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have ever experienced in your life ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've driven the Revuelto.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a thousand.
[SPEAKER_02]: this crap's on a doorstep of a rebel world, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a V12 dude, that's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love me, I'm not a Lamborghini guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love me a rebel, I think it's a beautiful car.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the hybrid system is one of the best integrations that uses the the Yosemoders, which is owned by AMG, to great effect.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, what this car is,
[SPEAKER_02]: This is nothing short than the pinnacle of American ingenuity at the intersection of a group of deviance inside of a large for-profit company basically turned the system around to their advantage and they were able to get enough budget to create the thing, the widget they want.
[SPEAKER_02]: and they got enough time.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like in life, you won't a business.
[SPEAKER_02]: You never get enough time.
[SPEAKER_02]: You never get enough resources.
[SPEAKER_02]: You never get enough money.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was a car that they've iterated.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would argue since the C606.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it wasn't like we're going to make a 1250 horsepower car.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to start here.
[SPEAKER_02]: the engine back a little bit and make the C7.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then we're going to finally get the budget we want.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to put the engine in the middle and make an aluminum tub.
[SPEAKER_02]: The aluminum tub, we already know we want this crazy hypercar.
[SPEAKER_02]: We just don't know how to do it yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then they sold 53,000 core vets in 2023.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously started paying the bills.
[SPEAKER_02]: They went back to the beam counters and said, you're going to give us the time to go and create this crazy thing we want.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he created the ZR1, which was the first or the kind of second to the last step with this crazy LT7 turbos, this size, where they've got the thrust in the back, then they played around with the electrification of the e-ray, where it wasn't just lifting the e-ray motor and putting it
[SPEAKER_02]: just box standard in the ZR1, they completely change the software so I just almost 30% more power coming out of the battery, which gives you 16% more power out of the motor, they change so much so they change the housing in the front and the shafts, but that's all the tech, the amazing part, it all works and it works incredibly well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so let's just take a quick step back for those of you who are listening.
[SPEAKER_01]: In 2020, the CA came out as a stingray, which had a normally aspirated V8 produced, I think, with the sports exhaust for 85 horsepower.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had that one, and then they followed up with the flat plane crank 06, which up that to 60070, then about a year ago, the ZR1 came out, which... Well, don't forget, see you right.
[SPEAKER_01]: the e-ring, I'm sorry, forgot about the e-ring, the e-ring is a big piece of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the e-ring took the straight VA, not the flight plane crank VA and added an electric two electric motors to it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Two, one for each of the front wheels and a battery spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those one electric motor in the in the e-ring, there's one electric motor in the front.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so one electric motor, I think the Revuelto as two.
[SPEAKER_02]: Revolt us to in the front one in the back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, they have electric motor and they give it all wheel drive, which made it, you know, more interesting for people like me who live where it used to snow, I'm going to say that because we've had no snow forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a little bit of electric range, and then of course the 06 came out, which went the flat plane crank, 670 horsepower, and then the turbo charge of that, a thousand horsepower, and then they added the electrification to that, which gave us the 01x, 1200, and some horsepower, and price-wise, a base Corvette, probably starts at one like 80-ish, the stingray, and then- The base Corvette starts still in the 69.95.
[SPEAKER_01]: for the, for the, yeah, stingray for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it
[SPEAKER_01]: If you wanted 3LT ours was the sticker on it was 138, but we got it a lot cheaper because everybody was trading theirs because they wanted the ZR1.
[SPEAKER_01]: ZR1's like 170-ish, and then you get to like... ZR1's 185 for one LZ.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, 185 and what you get to like 210 or 220-4, ZR1 X.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what you're not seeing as pictures, we also shot a ZR1.
[SPEAKER_02]: That car, the one we had was 223.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that, that compared to a revolto, which starts at about 800,000, is just a frickin' bargain.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's put Lamborghini aside and let's take it home to you because you are a GT3 man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, the question I'm dying to ask, and you know what the question is, if I gave you 300,000, which is what a GT3 cost, so.
[SPEAKER_01]: you could either buy the one behind you the zero one x and get like 50 k back or you could spend every penny of that on a gt three which one do you buy?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about Porsche of course 911.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay so here I have to give it a disclaimer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Always buy what you love.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bear.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now that I have that out of the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh wait, always buy that you watch you love and cars are not a vehicle to make money.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now that I have the legalese out of the way, I would pick the 911.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're also an investor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's put that out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, to me, I look at it as I'm not trying to make money.
[SPEAKER_02]: I look at it as I'm managing a fund.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I want to have fun with the fund, I got to keep the fund as big as possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll be honest, like I'm not going to lose money on a GT3.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I'm going to lose money on a 0-1X.
[SPEAKER_02]: If someone told me I could buy a 0-1X tomorrow, it's thicker, I would.
[SPEAKER_02]: would I keep it as long as I had my GT3?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would keep it and have fun with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't sell it just to make money on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, resell for me, plays a big role.
[SPEAKER_02]: In terms of just vehicle to vehicle,
[SPEAKER_02]: Now that I've gotten my GT3 Ias at a my system, I probably would want this, I would probably not probably, I definitely would want this year I won X over the regular car.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing I would say that this car suffers against a GT3 is the steering.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the manual, you know, the manual too, but when you drive this, you'll see the, the, the personality is not suited to a manual.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the Corvette, I think what Corvette's missing right now is the 500 horsepower.
[SPEAKER_02]: Car, at least 500 pounds less has manual transmission.
[SPEAKER_02]: Make only like 750 of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that would be a rock star.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the thing this gives up to its competition.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would say the 911 GT RRS.
[SPEAKER_02]: is the competition, a really terrible S, the front suspension, it's still a Corvette.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it doesn't have the precision that double wishbones in a 911 have.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in fairness, you pay for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Porsche, as you said, is 50 grand more than this car, which was loaded in
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to be beat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got you beat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, are you all in all the rotos?
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't you?
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a G-body.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a 996, the most loved of course, and the 997.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm kind of familiar with the 911 and the one thing that I would be, I would have to point out to you is that all the stuff you send are these very pretty words, but like the car guy in me is screaming.
[SPEAKER_01]: but mono band, you get like at a minimum 600 horsepower, six, but I can 100 more than you do in any 9-11.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: In my episode, I compare it to the 9-11, the 992 got to turbo S, and I compare it to the 849 test velocity in terms of a value and horsepower comparison.
[SPEAKER_02]: what we're seeing right now, you know, we just talked about politics and war and like energy price is spiking, but you can laugh at me.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're living in a golden age where we're seeing
[SPEAKER_02]: something built in Kentucky, built by the amazing engineers and designers in Warren and Millford, Michigan, they have made something that you don't think about the money, like I don't think about the cost of this car.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think that it is every bit as good as its competition, the only areas it lets itself down is in the steering and that is it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, like, if I would rephrase it, you can't have a GT3, you would only compare it to the what its direct comparison is at Porsche, and that would really be a 992 turbo S. I would choose this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because the 992 non-GT cars do not have double-wish-bone suspension.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of respect to you, because the way I see the world and I love both, like I say, all of all cars, we own one, no, we own three core bets as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So during the 11th of three core bets, must be supposed to be the big cheese man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we have a 68 convertible with his R27.
[SPEAKER_01]: We also own a 91 ZR1, the original C4.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to come and drive both of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, you should.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing I would say, this is why I respect you and like you, is most Porsche 911 guys, and I'm talking about, you know, the hard core 9-11 guys, this is the spikes radio and who are, you know, deep into the world and myth of 9-11's, always poo-poo the Corvette.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're always like, you know, to them, the Corvette is something that like a 90-year-old guy with white shoes and a belt that's round his ankle because he's, you know, fat and old and bald, drive.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Europeans are the same thing on my idea, they do the exact same thing, they give the Corvette no respect.
[SPEAKER_01]: And finally, and true that, I mean, the problem with the Corvette has been that it's always been let down by the interior.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always more.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no more.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always had parts, it's always been front engine versus mid-engine, which, of course, is, you know, the world standard for these types of cars, or it has been for hypercars, like supercars.
[SPEAKER_01]: But now they have not understood, and you have that the world has changed, and they still have this like image of what the Corvette driver is, and they don't understand that this new vehicle is world class.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me retort to you with some facts that involve you,
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I'm going to make a statement here, and people could disagree with me, or they could agree whatever they want.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would argue that the car world, including Porsche people, Lamborghini people, and Ferrari people, now very much respect, not just the CR1X, they respect the CA, and I'm going to give you two data points.
[SPEAKER_02]: The data point number one involves you, and you were there for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You and I, we do these tours of the car shows.
[SPEAKER_02]: And remember, we were in your hometown in Chicago.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were sitting in an E-ray.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you and I were debating, is this cool, is this car cool or not?
[SPEAKER_02]: And you posited that the car wasn't cool to young kids.
[SPEAKER_02]: And right as you, the words were just coming out of your mouth, there were like five, five, remember?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: How about around, and Andre's over here, they're on the left side.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sitting in the driver's seat.
[SPEAKER_02]: And people can go back and watch this moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: They come over and I'm like, I look at you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, you know what, let's put it to the test.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I got out of the car.
[SPEAKER_02]: I went up to the MNS at guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is this car cooler or not?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why are we not?
[SPEAKER_02]: And every one of them said, that car is cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let me give you a 20 years old.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me give you a data point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I don't give you one more data.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, no, let's just exchange.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hold on, let me give you one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you did it one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give you the number.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we were at the coil as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're called?
[SPEAKER_02]: that they have hanging with the big cheese.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you're hanging with the big cheese at the quail, and we walked by the Corvette stand, and I believe if I counted right, there were three Corvette's there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that right?
[SPEAKER_02]: One of those things, it was four.
[SPEAKER_02]: Could you just get it to see if again, the 59 stain ran, Peter Brock was there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay, four.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm three in the stand, one on the side, four Corvette's, all right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we walked by the Ferrari stand, how many of 50's were there, motormen, can you even count that high?
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, I don't have enough fingers and toes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just a 50s.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not talking about a 40s or test erosis, or, but talking about the feroes that were not car people.
[SPEAKER_02]: People are there for a scene, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and there are some car people like you and I, they're, it's a, I love the, I love the, I love the coil.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's people like to go there for like to can sit and they can have drink and the food and yeah, it's bike's car radio.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is them.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is, that is the one.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's more than bike's car radio.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's basically, you know what it is?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's first class.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you, you know, there's a, okay, you're a United Flyer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm going to sound really boosy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to sound really boosy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to get a lot of crap for this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you ever gone to the Polaris Lounge at LX?
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, no, never have gone to the, I've only been to the regular one, not the players.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know that there's a regular United Club in, again, you know how it's now like above the terminal?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can look down on the regular people in the terminal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what Quail is.
[SPEAKER_02]: People like to look down on the other people because you can't get a ticket for Quail.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not trying to take a dump on Spikes car radio.
[SPEAKER_01]: I used to be really good friends with his career.
[SPEAKER_01]: I used to be really good friends with the sister before she moved to Europe.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I love the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoy it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying that's the kind of
[SPEAKER_02]: world that that that that that that you know those people were they have a lot of things can you when I go like poor slabs that you and I are and interact with like one that was 15 and 50s or something like that and that Vulcan that asked in Martin Vulcan we were shooting that sold in the time that we shot it we were standing there shooting it and the guys handing over a check and say I'll take it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do we're we're gonna run out of time so let me get to some of these other cars tell me about some of our real.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Temerario is a technological marvel, it's the same equation as the Revuelto, but it's missing something, and that's something is the sound.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you go and you, okay, the car they gave me was like 550 grand, it's beautiful, like Matt Blue, it had a tan leather, and it was a very mature looking Lamborghini.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, and the technology, like you guys got to see my episode where I interviewed the CEO of Yasa.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, of course, basically, these electric motors are, what kind of, like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're
[SPEAKER_02]: but it's a fast car and dynamically it's an amazing car.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't think it's very attractive.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's very functional and it's look like all the scoops to move the air in certain ways.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get why they do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just not attractive and the sound, it's just, it's not good.
[SPEAKER_02]: The sound is not good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when you get into this, this
[SPEAKER_02]: It speaks to your primal nature, the sound.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, what other point I wanted to make on the, this is a question I have specifically for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So 1200 horsepower, it seems like it's too much for the road.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the reason, the reason I don't feel bad about not having a zero one or zero one next, you size the fact that they're crazy expensive, is the fact that,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, with 670 horsepower in the 06, that's barely street usable.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you use 1200 horsepower on that point?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, I'm glad you brought stuff because this is an important point.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll liken it to something you understand because now I understand you grew up in a forward household.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is, there's a thing called a GT 500 and there's a thing called a GT 350.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: A proper car guy knows the GT350 is the better car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Five hundred and four most expensive cars in the Mustang platform is perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's beautifully balanced.
[SPEAKER_02]: Me, not a Ford guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would totally have a GT350.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: GT500 way too much power.
[SPEAKER_02]: It overpowers the chassis.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a waste.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't know one of those.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is different because the ZR1, I know you're gonna not believe me, it puts the even the rear wheel drive car, it gets the power to the road, it is a 100% usable and it creates these, it creates these, it's not way to describe it, it's like giggle moment, like the students, so you are like a three-year-old where you're sitting in the car and you drop the hammer,
[SPEAKER_02]: And the car is so fast, but not in a way like a Tesla plaid word hurts your face, or a tie-con turban West where it feels like it's ripping your face apart.
[SPEAKER_02]: This, it feels like an old school muscle car and pushing you back and see, but at a velocity, unheard of.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll give you another example.
[SPEAKER_02]: When we were doing the edit for the episode, we do this launch of when I first dropped the hand on the car,
[SPEAKER_02]: And he had to tell me three times he didn't speed up the footage to cars that fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: That, especially I like what you said about the problem with the plaid is or any electric cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: You do that once and it's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you do it again and you're like, I'm getting sick to my stomach.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you do it with somebody else in the car and they're like, what the hell was that?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause they slam their head.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just, it's a party trick that gets old really quick, really fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the power is so sudden and so abrupt that it's not pleasant.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's not even like a roller coaster.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's just, is what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is pleasant, it's fun, and even in the rear wheel drive, it is crazy usable.
[SPEAKER_01]: What size do you remember what size the rear tires are, how far to those?
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say that the 0.6 is either 3.15 or 3.35, they're pretty wide.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd have to pull up to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't worry about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure I'm sure I'm not going to do that, but all right, let's get to the Yang way because this is an interesting vehicle.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Yang way and you nine extreme didn't just set a record at the number of ring for fast-roading.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, last year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Instead of record for the fastest car like top speeds and like 400 kilometers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you about these numbers like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got the doors, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got the, the, like, the, like, the good, good, good, good, good, good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, talk about a party trick on four wheels.
[SPEAKER_02]: This thing is a party trick on four.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you look at my knee loop episode, I got some footage from China of the car doing the dance on a hydraulic system.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the car weighs something like 4,500 pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got to have the extreme is the fight of 3,000 horsepower car.
[SPEAKER_02]: I took it around the, their grouping grounds in China.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I take my hat off to it because they're not going to make any money on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't need to make a car like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not what BYD is about, but they do it because A, they can and B, they're trying to push themselves and it needs work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's no driving dynamics to speak of.
[SPEAKER_02]: It can't really handle its power.
[SPEAKER_02]: It has the, it has the, I'd say, structural rigidity of a paper bag.
[SPEAKER_02]: What it's going around a corner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, this has always been the rub with a lot of, not just Chinese companies, but a lot of startup companies, where they could do something like extreme power or extreme zero to 60s, but the subtle nuances, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The things that make a car so much fun to drive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Specifically, like a 9-elevator, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The road feel, the way the car,
[SPEAKER_02]: deals with the inputs that you give it, where it becomes almost a part of you, where you become a part of the relationship between this and the 9th and 11th is what 70 years of very small evolutions over 70 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, two years ago, maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll see six.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, six, six.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God, I can't tell you that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, five, oh, six or something like that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Go, we had a C6.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was one of the more disappointing cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: But let's call it, let's call it 20 years.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would argue this level of performance and a Corvette is an evolution of 20 years.
[SPEAKER_02]: This thing, this U9 is the first brick.
[SPEAKER_02]: in what will probably grow, and I wouldn't discount them.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, and let's finish up on the BMW M2CS.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, CES is a competition, so it's a task of the line.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the top dog.
[SPEAKER_01]: Magnificent.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a manual.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's start with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nope, they don't do the manual and their logic is, but we don't offer you a manual because it makes it 97 pounds lighter, or it's like the car weighs 3,770 pounds, give me the manual, I don't really care.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'll tell you what, I'll pay an extra like five grand if you do more carbon fiber to balance the 97 pounds somewhere else, because think about a car's rear wheel drive and here's the real kicker with this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: unlike others, he guessed it came before.
[SPEAKER_02]: This has a real power bump.
[SPEAKER_02]: Goes from 450, 3 to 5, 23, and a cartilage, 37, and pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And FYI, I was at Pebble with BMW when they unveiled that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so you saw that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw, yeah, that's what I was curious about.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not just $3,700, so it's about a hundred pounds lighter than a box standard M2, but it's a hundred pounds lighter basically in the roof, so the lower center of gravity and then they change out that the
[SPEAKER_02]: body work is a little bit more organic, it looks more muscular, the car is tuned, so it's got a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does the Porsche trick where they give you like it's 10 mills lower in the suspension height.
[SPEAKER_02]: The unfortunate reality, like you're seeing our shoot day, the BMW was the camera car for the 0, 1 and X and 0, 1, X was the camera car for the BMW.
[SPEAKER_02]: So going from this to that in the same day, made for a very unfortunate day for this car, but after spending a week with this car, you see the beauty of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You understand why it's worth it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to make a statement here again, people can laugh me about a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can get an M2 for high 60s with no options, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: And the manual, it's less, it's less.
[SPEAKER_01]: The manual, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Less, less, M-car with the manual, less BMW.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or you could buy this for $111,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: If we're me, I would buy the $11,000 car, not because I'm bougie and a polarous lounge.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's because this car in a long one will be cheaper.
[SPEAKER_02]: You spend $111,000 for this car.
[SPEAKER_02]: You will be able to sell this car most likely for between $111,15 and like five years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Provided you don't put $100,000 on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the reason I say that is the F87 was $83,000,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just a toy by the 111,000-dollar car and either don't pay anything to own it or make money.
[SPEAKER_02]: but drive it, so let it sit and do nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the car guy in me says, you know, if you're thinking about how much money you're gonna get out of the car, then you're also thinking about how many miles you can put on it because the more miles you put out the less it's worth.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for me, that takes away from the pure love of the vehicle because now I'm not thinking about how much fun I'm having, I'm thinking about how much money I'm losing every time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I drive it and I never, I'm being honest, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm being realistic because I'm getting these numbers, 250 and 111 grand and what is the Bugatti Turbion, which one of the most beautiful cars I've ever seen, $4.6 million dollars, you know, the way I look at it and I know this sounds terrible, it's I'm going to pull in 250 out of the bank for this.
[SPEAKER_02]: How much is that 250 going to be worth in 10 years if I just kept it in the back?
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that sounds terrible, so I gotta make sure I'm protecting the fund, because I don't want to continue to have fun with the fund.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I get that, and this is a relatively recent phenomenon because for a long time when you bought a car, you were guaranteed one thing and there as they would depreciate, no matter which, unless you got one of the special Ferraris right there, where some that obviously wouldn't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But since COVID, especially with the special cars, the price is no longer down and then up, they just either flatline or they roll up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was changed the buyers of these cars and has changed the way people approach them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't make these statements based on from 2020.
[SPEAKER_02]: I make the statements from one I first bought a Pontiac Fiero.
[SPEAKER_02]: I learned the hard lesson of to, maybe I am weird about this very possible, but I learned the very hard depreciation lesson within
[SPEAKER_02]: That was painful, percentage wise, that is losing your ass.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I said to myself, I'm never losing money in the car again.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what I did, and this is when I was in my college, I bought a Fierro cheap, used cash.
[SPEAKER_02]: fix the clutch, sold it, made money.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not a lot of money, made a thousand bucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I bought an FCRX7.
[SPEAKER_02]: I cleaned it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was not wrong with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I cleaned it up, sold it, made three grand, bought a super, made another three grand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Put the money in the bag, then once started buying other cars, and every time, you
[SPEAKER_02]: I've always looked for opportunities where AI can afford it and be, I own it just long enough where I have a taste of it, but then I kind of move on and I get the next car.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was not losing money on cars way before there was viruses and GT3s.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I always like to say a TFL, we buy high and so low.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of the thing we do.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there is something else that there's value there in a different way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I love about you guys, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like your son, he just is much of an addict as you are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let me kind of tell you the way that I approach it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right now, the most expensive car we own is at zero six and even then I get very nervous about having that much money in a car and that one will probably not appreciate because everybody dumped their zero six is so they could get the zero one and zero one access and now of course there's the grand sport coming so you know they're going to keep rolling out new cars which is going to make the older cars as valuable I get that.
[SPEAKER_01]: but the problem with that approach in my mind and you maybe have worked your way around that is most people who do that have to end up with very expensive cars because most cars depreciate, most cars and 90 whatever percent of cars depreciate.
[SPEAKER_01]: the ones that don't appreciate are the ones that are unique for a long time nine eleven is appreciated right it wasn't that Magnus is selling his collection he bought those cars for nothing because ten years ago a fifteen years ago you could buy nine eleven for like ten k it wasn't until recently the nine elevens have become like like for iris but the problem I have an issue I have is when you start spending 138 like we did
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't spend it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got a cheaper because it was on sale, but when you start spending that much money in the car You're missing out on so many other cars and so yes, I would love to own a zero or one axe at a 240,000 I'm sure when I drove that thing like you said I would have a huge smile on my face, but the thing I think about is I could have so many more experiences
[SPEAKER_01]: right now we have Andres Andres I'm going to be careful here because I don't know what's public enough but His uncle gave us a car
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a pretty interesting car.
[SPEAKER_01]: He basically is going to be in Europe for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was renting a garage from him and I paid him rent for the garage for this year and then he wasn't going to return from Europe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, in lieu of that, I'm going to give you a car.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so this car is an Asusa rodeo.
[SPEAKER_01]: First generation with over 200,000 miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I got it for basically the cost of a garage for a year, which is less than a thousand bucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I gotta say, you know, as much as that's a really goofy and silly car, driving that thing, I have as much fun, or at least not 100% as much fun as you in that zero or one X, but I'm enjoying myself at least 50, 60% of what that car cost, and I'm thinking to myself, I got this car for less than 1,000 bucks, and imagine the kind of experiences I could have with all these other cool cars that I could never have if I take all my money and spend it on one car.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you have to go back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go back a little appreciate.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go back when I just made the the concept of not losing money on cars is a concept I proved over a 20 year period on cars that were all below $10,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why you said you'll be the exception.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can still do that today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I will admit
[SPEAKER_02]: To do what I'm saying, you, what I'm telling that the prescription of what I'm offering here, A, it's like a second job.
[SPEAKER_02]: And B, you've got to get in and out quicker.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you're not going to, like I've got my 911, I don't know, car for over two years now.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to make money on that, you need to sell it quicker.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you should've sold that last year.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you're still gonna make money on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_02]: I bought the car because I wanted the car bought it because I love the car Didn't buy it to make money.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I still have it and so like the Cadillac is a great example Cadillac was 20 grand
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm never told the camera like you're just told with it's an older auto.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a what's 1985 older auto commemorative edition.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they in the last of the 10th generation.
[SPEAKER_02]: You told me only 200 of them in this Commodore blue with a two-tone white blue interior and it's unique and that it doesn't have the Landau roof, but it does have the factory ash for roof and it's 33,000 original miles.
[SPEAKER_02]: And here's a car bought for 20 grand.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've already turned down a lot more people to buy the car.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got to set them on toachment.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: The interesting thing you said to me, which I think is also true is when you take it the cars and coffee, more people come around and ask about that car.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what it works for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: People don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I go to San Clemente.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the one that's in the big one in San and Southern California here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get better parking with the GT3.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's no doubt about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But more people come up to me for the cattle out because everyone, it's like a Volkswagen Beetle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's got a story like, oh my god, my uncle had one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, my mom used to take me to school in this thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, my uncle, you know, he stopped driving and my parents gave me this card to take the college.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like my college roommate, he had a diesel, El Dorado, Beeritz, like 84 with the son of, and that's where that was his card, and he used to pick up so many women at that time.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what the hell is Beeritz?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that a designer?
[SPEAKER_01]: What I never understood.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is the South of France, Beeritz,
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's a South of France, that's a place in France.
[SPEAKER_02]: French were our friends, and so what they do is they've got the, they put the stainless steel roof.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did it back in the 50s too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like, I don't like food.
[SPEAKER_01]: Food, what's a broom?
[SPEAKER_01]: What the hell's a broom?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even have a broom here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Broham, yeah, what is the problem?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the fear?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like what are these things?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's you know what do you know how the Germans are anglo files?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess we're a franco files.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I get the cardia edition I mean, I know what that is, so that's not what I get anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to thank you for joining me for this emergency This was great and we really debated in this one
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait to read your comments.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not talking about you talking about the viewers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And forgive us.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know we a lot of times when we go political people hated because they're like, hey, we come here without wanting to get into politics.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think we we didn't go political.
[SPEAKER_01]: The world won political and we're kind of just reacting to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's just the big cheese and modal man react.
[SPEAKER_01]: You never
[SPEAKER_02]: never.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'll change it when I get off this podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I don't want you to change it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want you to love it so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm going to take, I'm going to take your advice.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to change it to little cheese.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll see next time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be with a little cheese.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'll call Nathan's little cheese.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we want.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll tell maybe big cheese or medium cheese.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, guys, thanks for watching.
[SPEAKER_01]: Head out over to Moto Man TV, where he's uploading, I guess, when will, when will your video of the ZERO 1X come out?
[SPEAKER_01]: I fall goes correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's nine a.m. tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: So perfect timing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, those correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're still, we're still, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's some things going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got this one and we've got this, we also have the regular zero on one episode, but that's going to come in a couple of weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we did a cool episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to love this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cheap 911 or expensive Corvette.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a comparison episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, what was the Corvette and what was an A11, what model?
[SPEAKER_02]: 992.2 Carrera T with a manual or a Corvette E-Ray.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, interesting, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there was this basically a close, I mean, not the same, but close in price.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what, 150 is so much, 158 for the 911 and 139 for the Corvette.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a very well-optioned era.
[SPEAKER_02]: Beautiful, a little bit tight blue off.
[SPEAKER_01]: You remember like four years ago, you could get a 911 for 99 base and now that you just won his 58,000 or another was 58% more, it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, another comparison episode where we did
[SPEAKER_02]: either cheap 911 or expensive M4.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's live now on our old channel and that car that car knew that 911 we got to use them from the dealer that I bought my car from.
[SPEAKER_02]: That car knew was a hundred grant and they were they sold it the day after I shot it for 120.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's crazy with the other.
[SPEAKER_01]: That should be a whole other episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's going out with 911's.
[SPEAKER_01]: Covering.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should come down here.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got all sorts of cool cars for you in
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, stay tuned.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's part of the plan, definitely.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you for joining us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Motorman, head on over to Motorman TV.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to check out, if you want to see actual video or listen to actual sound of the ZR1X going through its paces, and I will see you with regular schedule programming at the next week where we're back to four runners.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Back to four.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of your thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a TRD pro, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in a way, make or blue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you buy one?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, we just, we just drove it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was in your neck of the woods and to put me, to, to, to, to took me and Tommy on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was on, I was, I get this, I was on an influencer program, a content maker program, where the idea was, you could surf and ski in the same day, so they took us to Mammoth and they took us to Dana Point.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I did the skiing and Tommy did the surfing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you, Tanya.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for coming to say, aye.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, you know how much time I spend away from home if I don't have to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, thanks guys, we'll see you next time, ciao!