[SPEAKER_00]: Sit back relax, and have a bucket, dress, dress, dress.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, can we drink in froze kids?
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, today we're going to talk about a topic that a lot of you guys have written in about asked about, um, we've said this in the past 80% of our audience is military, first responder, and typically, uh, people are going through some pretty bad shit.
[SPEAKER_04]: dark times, chat about it a little bit earlier today.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how you see and do the things that you do on a daily basis, either here as a police officer or an EMT or a firefighter or overseas as a war fighter and then come back and try to shake the cobwebs out.
[SPEAKER_04]: But a lot of people are experimenting with ibigan.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and then that's what you do.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is Trevor Miller from the, uh, ambio life sciences.
[SPEAKER_04]: I say that correctly.
[SPEAKER_04]: You did nailed it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nailed it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Give me a round of applause.
[SPEAKER_04]: Buy her in for Christ's sakes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: I burned it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've earned it, but they're trying to legalize it right now here in Texas.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a big deal.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm getting a lot of emails from both sides saying, hey, this is great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Say, don't do this.
[SPEAKER_04]: What's the real answer here?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's be argument for don't do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I'll go to one of our co-hosts who did it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jared Taylor.
[SPEAKER_04]: So Jared Taylor did it and then came on the show.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm going to be honest, like I was fascinated with it at first.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was fascinated with I wasca and I'd chat with my wife about it over the years.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Jared came on the show and he told his story about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he said, look, man, you're essentially going through a living hell
[SPEAKER_01]: 12 hours, I think he said.
[SPEAKER_01]: Aaron's story was crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you listen to that episode?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've heard him share that story elsewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's one of the worst advertisements for I've been, but I've ever heard in my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: He really had it worse than average for sure.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's get into what he said first and then we can kind of go back to it to what, or why people have different experiences all across the board.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because let's take Rob O'Neill.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a positive one.
[SPEAKER_04]: Rob is obviously a buddy of ours.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's on this network, the operator podcast is on this network and it has changed his life.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know he's done it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think two or three times he said three times now, I think.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and she's always went in the t-shirts and everything else and he's a very, very big advocate of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jared was the same way, by the way, even though he had a horrific story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: But a lot of people have said you've got to be prepared to go through this
[SPEAKER_04]: crazy nightmarish hell and face something whatever that something is and that's something is different for every individual who goes and does it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jared, the one that stuck with me forever that haunted my dreams personally was he said it got it got so bad at a certain point that he started counting.
[SPEAKER_04]: and he thought he could count down the hours by seconds and then kind of map it out because he said I thought like I was trapped in there forever and he said he was positive that he counted to an hour you know sixty seconds for sixty minutes and then he looked up at the doctor whoever the person that was in the room with them and he said how long it's gone by and I think they said four minutes
[SPEAKER_04]: and it goes holy shit.
[SPEAKER_04]: I will never make it out of here.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, it's a wrong attitude.
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, why would you be counting down?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not your friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's how people to take off watches.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got a surrender to the experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's one of the things about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't surrender.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's all psychedelics.
[SPEAKER_05]: There are two, and my experience, there are two key things that you have to face.
[SPEAKER_05]: One, this isn't real and two, this won't last forever.
[SPEAKER_05]: Once you get past that, you're just in the tide.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_05]: The waves come sometimes to slow down.
[SPEAKER_05]: The waves come again.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes to slow down.
[SPEAKER_05]: You just exist in that moment for some amount of time.
[SPEAKER_05]: But how long is not relevant?
[SPEAKER_04]: But you don't know when it's in your own minds.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're not supposed to know.
[SPEAKER_05]: You though.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's the whole point.
[SPEAKER_04]: You have more experience than maybe 99% of the people on earth in psychedelics.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I would say I wouldn't think there's one percent of people that have more spirits of A. I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm that serious like because you were doing it at a very young age and you and I I think one of the first times we met You and I did a just a one-on-one interview together and you were talking about it, and he was doing it at a at a very very young age You know, it was acid.
[SPEAKER_04]: How a 11
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was 14.
[SPEAKER_01]: You were 14 years old?
[SPEAKER_01]: 14 with acid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was just, like I grew up in just say no to drugs.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure we all did.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought I would be that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there was something in my mind that was like, except LSD maybe, because the Beatles seemed to like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the first time LSD came across my world, I took it.
[SPEAKER_04]: OK. And what was your experience of 14 years old?
[SPEAKER_01]: I had no idea that there was therapeutic potential within it, but at the same time I remember saying to all my buddies, this is what adults have forgotten that have made the world so screwed up.
[SPEAKER_01]: So some kind of therapeutic, you know, intuition was coming through.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, yeah, I think it really opened my mind and made me see for one, they seem to be lying about these drugs because this is pretty fantastic.
[SPEAKER_04]: And, uh, so now I, I really like to, uh, tobacco up on that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've heard a lot of positive stories.
[SPEAKER_04]: And again, Rob is one of them.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I think you said, kind of regretter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was public about coming to our place recently.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he had a tremendous experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: He, again, he was public with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anything I share about anyone who has been through the program, they've been public about the information that I'll share.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he encountered Jesus, like, and in the treatment room, he said, oh, my God, Jesus just entered the room.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, he changed his life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it changed his life.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had been with the same woman.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... with four kids for many years he had already been engaged to her but during the abrogane journey he said he realized i need to stop living in sin and he put together a wedding in six weeks basically and i was just at his wedding in room as well at the Vatican he remarried his wife no he hadn't been married he had four kids with her but was not married to her i didn't know that actually he got married in room December 12th it was a pretty amazing wedding okay interesting
[SPEAKER_04]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: So do you own this place by the way?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm one of the three co-owners.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, me and other Canadian and a Mexican.
[SPEAKER_01]: What Jonathan and Jose?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, Mexicans.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: What's that?
[SPEAKER_05]: We talked Canadian and Mexican.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Snowbacks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Cross-back time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: But for you, what was the motivation for opening this clinic?
[SPEAKER_01]: I started working with Ibegan in 2012 professionally.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was able to legally work with it in Canada, where I'm from, in Vancouver, and it came to me because,
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... there's a neighborhood in Vancouver called the downtown east side and i was focused on trying to help that neighborhood just as kind of a pet project and that started in two thousand one shortly after nine eleven looking for a way to help the world this neighborhood looked like it could
[SPEAKER_01]: use some help so I focused upon that and that basically turned into about a 10-year networking research project and then I began came on the radar as a way to potentially help because it's also very good at helping people overcome addiction and particular opioid use disorder.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can get people off of heroin virtually overnight.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what brought it to my attention.
[SPEAKER_01]: I opened my first business in Canada.
[SPEAKER_01]: We operated for five years.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are treated about 200 people in that time for opioid use disorder.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Amber and Marcus Capone, who started the nonprofit Vets Incorporated.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a former Navy SEAL, who used ibagaine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It really helped him.
[SPEAKER_01]: They set up a nonprofit that is now sent more than 1200 people through for this treatment.
[SPEAKER_01]: They reached out, we're looking for another eye-begame provider that led me to Tijuana to open this business starting with one house with Jose and Jonathan and that first year we probably treated 95 percent veterans with at least 90 percent of those I'd say coming through the non-profit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, and so mostly U.S. Special Forces veterans, and then I did a podcast with Sean Ryan, episode 30, and that led a lot of other people to our front door.
[SPEAKER_01]: We now have six places in Mexico providing this, one place in Malta, in Europe, and we're treated about 170 people per month now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we shit.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's why gone huge.
[SPEAKER_04]: How long is the experience?
[SPEAKER_04]: So when you fly in, how long do you stay when you start the process or journey is your hold it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we do a five-day program for our foundational program, which is the program that most veterans come through.
[SPEAKER_01]: Foundational means you're not detoxing off of heroin or other drugs because we've got a separate detox program for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we'll pick them up in San Diego, bring them down on day one, do some work getting to know each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: They get coaching ahead of time as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do some preparation.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've been doing a traditional Mexican sweat lodge that first day, which is a great way to kick off the week into day two, some blood works, some breath work, some more preparation, EKG.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're fully medicalized.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have, I think, a dozen doctors on staff now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's that second night we start working with eye-begining, so that we'll go through that second night into the third day.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is it in a direction?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a pill, so it's a pill.
[SPEAKER_01]: It takes four pills over the course of a couple of hours basically to ease and do it a bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK. And yeah, that's essentially a 24-hour long experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first 12 hours is where all the bells and whistles might be.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to have visions or hear things or see things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the next day is notoriously known as the gray day.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a day of recovery.
[SPEAKER_01]: and you're pretty depleted, you're as tired as you've ever been, but you can't fall asleep because the medicine's still in your system.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then you'll eventually get some sleep, and it's once you get some sleep that you start feeling the benefits of eye-begining.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then we work with 5 MEODMT as another compound we work with.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we work with that quite a bit myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a good one.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's spooked it on air before.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm here before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was totally fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was so much fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, that was an end.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I wouldn't smoke fire.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, five of them and y'all got to lie down for two hours.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he kind of boring.
[SPEAKER_04]: You just lie there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's not boring for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: DMT on site.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, you get people that we get back to people this NDA go the day after that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's five days.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we did a study with Stanford University.
[SPEAKER_01]: So 30 US special forces veterans went to Stanford prior to coming to NDA.
[SPEAKER_01]: They got brain scans.
[SPEAKER_01]: They got a battery of other tests.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they went immediately back to Stanford after leaving Ambio for more brain scans and then a one-month follow-up.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the pre-brain scans were clearly showing traumatic brain injury, post-brain scans showing it was largely reversed, if not entirely reversed in a lot of those things.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, think of it like liquid plumber.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what that is?
[SPEAKER_05]: Your dreams get fucked up and you got to pour something in there and it breaks down the shit that's in there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, yeah, that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_05]: So your brain is wired for efficiency when it receives small traumas, like little damages that happen from explosions or banging their head on something or whatever, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes it's toxic exposure to it doesn't have to be an impact injury.
[SPEAKER_05]: If your brain is sending electrical impulses to an area and it's not responding efficiently the way it's supposed to be, the brain will cut off sending energy to that area, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: So in a lot of ways it's like stove pipe, that's what CT is, chronic traumatic and cephalopathy.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's why when they scan the brain after death, there's like these dark spots on it.
[SPEAKER_05]: But if you can send electricity back into it, it's like using a plunger almost, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: And it clears it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great metaphor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you give somebody a large dose of ibagaine, it's called the flood dose, and it is really flooding the system.
[SPEAKER_01]: After the brain scans, we're showing way more activity in the prefrontal cortex, where you see things, where you envision things, and yeah, like dark spots, there was one great story of a guy who said, his ibagaine journey was shallow.
[SPEAKER_01]: and long, like he didn't have tremendous visions or anything, but he said he had felt like there were three knives in his brain for years, and he felt those being removed, like being removed from a butcher's block.
[SPEAKER_01]: He felt his whole brain relax, and then he nudged the radiology, he said, let me see my brain scans, he said, I'm not supposed to, but you should see this, and there were dark spots in those three spots, and after I became no dark spots.
[SPEAKER_05]: Really.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, it's really simple.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just think of it as clog drains.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's not a one for one because obviously nothing's technically clogged there It's more because your brain's not sending electricity for efficiency reasons, but it's the it's similar.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like one of the reasons they call it flooding.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's because you just like push energy through that until it restores I mean, maybe it's siphoning.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's you can use a number of metal for us rebuilding like one of the
[SPEAKER_01]: everybody has a different journey but there are common themes that come up and one of the themes that comes up often I call them the Iboga minions is people will see these little construction workers working within the brain like Pac-Man chewing things up or like the dozers from Frago Rock rebuilding things that's a super common.
[SPEAKER_05]: How old are you?
[SPEAKER_05]: because you're really aging yourself with these references.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sir.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just turned 50.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're a great year.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's where you say you don't look like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, think of it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Think of it the same way as you might think of stem cells.
[SPEAKER_05]: You think about the creation or our theory at least on the creation of life in the first place.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's some primordial ooze with electricity hammering into it, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: So if you think about restoring blood flow and energy into the brain, like when I say energy, I mean, literal electricity into the brain in a certain area.
[SPEAKER_05]: It is indeed like having a construction crew go in there and restore it to its original capacity.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's essentially what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And along with CTE and traumatic brain injury and PTS comes to a sideality.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this I just saw the shell casing as I sat down and reminded me to tell you this.
[SPEAKER_01]: a couple of stories around suicideality, but we had two guys come in the same group actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the guys, he was a special forces veteran, he was done, he was taking a three-hour drive to the beach to off himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I think you might have to delete out that word.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, you're fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: We don't give a fuck on the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the suicide, it might, I think the outcome will be fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, we don't give a good about it, man.
[SPEAKER_04]: It looks.
[SPEAKER_04]: Strangle Bayesian.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you're good, dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, this guy was done.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was driving into the beach to off himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: And somebody sent him the podcast of me on Sean Ryan.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost three hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: He listened to it on the way to the beach to side.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to try this instead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Came out for treatment.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's now a thriving individual who is actually a coach on various levels for helping people out.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in that same group,
[SPEAKER_01]: They left on the Friday and the housekeeper, after they left came downstairs and brought me a, it wasn't a case, and it was a bullet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I texted this guy, I'm like, is this what I think it is?
[SPEAKER_01]: He said, yeah, I won't be needing that anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the bullet he was saving to kill himself with.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't need it anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have so many, I've treated, the youngest person I've ever treated, he walked in the front door when he was 17 years old.
[SPEAKER_01]: His father had been through for treatment, and he saw his kid struggling.
[SPEAKER_01]: and he was done and he left and let the group know that he went home and burnt his suicide note and now he's thriving.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's so many examples of this.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I guess I want to start with the visions of it and why it's different for everybody because I've listened to a lot of podcasts on it and I've heard a lot of people on this show talk about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've also heard Rob talk about it and
[SPEAKER_04]: there seems to be like a honeymoon period a lot of people say afterwards and then for some people it sticks some people it kind of wears off and then they need another session or another you know two sessions after that why is that I think
[SPEAKER_01]: For one, it's very rare that anybody is coming back to Ibogaine because they feel as though it didn't work for them the first time.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's more like something did work and maybe I didn't take advantage of it enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't recognize the power that it had and didn't adequately prepare.
[SPEAKER_01]: Therefore, I want to go back and try it again.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: What I like to say about whether or not it is effective for people is sometimes people leave and they're like, it's like they made a 180 degree course change.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything's fantastic, life's great, yay, and then they get home.
[SPEAKER_01]: The world didn't take eye-begin with them, so shit still happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe it's not as dramatic a course change, but what I think we can do for almost everybody is a solid yet true five degree course change.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if I've degree course change, carry it out over 10,000 miles, you're in a completely different place than if you hadn't had that shift.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think almost to the person, we can, we can promise at least that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And why do so many people say that as they're going through it?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's almost like a personal hell.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, everybody's got their own description of what their version of hell is.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why is that?
[SPEAKER_04]: What is in the medication that is causing that, or causing this release, or causing people to see, or hear, or feel, different things that are unique across the board, because everybody's got a different story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's psychedelics themselves, like the word psychedelic technically means mind or soul manifesting, which I think is an accurate term because you're at least bringing about a different level of mind than you're used to.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when that term was coined by Humphrey Osmond, an English doctor who was working in Canada, he sent a little poem to his buddy Aldous Huxley, as they were trying to figure out a word for these substances, and the poem was to fathom hell or sore and jellic, just take a pinch of psychedelic.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that is the range inside of every human being.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got the kingdom of heaven within, and we've got the kingdom of hell within.
[SPEAKER_05]: All the heavens and all the hells are within you.
[SPEAKER_05]: You may have heard that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think because these are mind or soul manifesting, this gives you more access to that entire spectrum.
[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes what you personally need to heal, especially some of these special operators we work with.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, it's got to be tough.
[SPEAKER_01]: It better show up tough and show them, you know, show them what needs to be shown in order for them to make change.
[SPEAKER_01]: So for some people, that is maybe the more hellish realm, or, you know, being forced to look at regrets that you have, or, you know, your face stuck in,
[SPEAKER_01]: bad decisions so that you don't make those decisions moving forward, so that you can forgive them moving forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think even, you know, the classic bad trip, I think the worst, or the...
[SPEAKER_01]: The least thing that can happen coming out of a bad trip is maybe you have a bad trip and you get a massive lesson out of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But other times you have a bad trip and the sole gift out of that is, wow, isn't base level consciousness awesome?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just awesome to be back out of that, not stuck in that hellish realm.
[SPEAKER_01]: So sometimes that's a gift in and of itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: But some people experience heaven, like some people walk with Jesus, some people,
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I guess what separates the two.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is the hardest thing that I always struggle with when people talk about Ivigaine is, yes, to your point.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's either hell or it's heaven and both.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's both, yeah, towards the end.
[SPEAKER_04]: It kind of changes their, let's take hell.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's start with without one first.
[SPEAKER_04]: The people that are going through hell during this experience,
[SPEAKER_04]: they have something super traumatic in their life at a certain point where they try to get over something, where they feeling guilty about something, what is it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like in your research.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so hard to put your finger on like you can't predict at all what somebody's going to go through.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the scary part.
[SPEAKER_04]: But why is it scary?
[SPEAKER_04]: Because if you're going in there and let's say, look, I don't, not a lot of people would sign up
[SPEAKER_01]: If you think you might, if you knew their, you know, their suicideality would disappear at the end of it, where their traumatic brain injury would disappear at the end of it, or they're not going to be depressed or anxious anymore at the end of it, I look at it like a surgeon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I've met a force coming out of my ass.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of them is, you know, the best advice I can give somebody when they take eye-begining is getting, taking eye-begining is like getting on a rollercoaster.
[SPEAKER_01]: There might be ups, there might be downs, maybe a loop, maybe a water feature or two, some purging into a bucket, maybe a tunnel of tear, maybe a tunnel of love, none of that matters.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only real rule of roller coasters is just don't try and get off in the middle of the ride.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you just go with it, if you don't try and get off in the middle of the ride, it's totally doable.
[SPEAKER_01]: It might take you to some dark places, but just trust that you're going to learn.
[SPEAKER_01]: in those dark places that you're going to come out with lessons.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like you wouldn't spend a whole bunch of time and energy preparing for a surgery and then try and tell that surgeon how to do their job while you're lying on the table.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's similar to Ibogaine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got some kind of an intelligence.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how that works, I don't know where that comes from, but I've seen it enough to say, let it do its thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You wouldn't tell a surgeon how to do his job, trust that you're coming in here for a medical procedure and this medicine is going to know how to help you up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that might mean sticking your face in some of the crap that you've done.
[SPEAKER_04]: And is that what people are seeing is some of those experiences or shitty things they've done in their life, or, you know, making some of the, some of the past things they might have seen overseas?
[SPEAKER_04]: Or, I mean, shit, we were talking about a story earlier, we're a dude just cut his dick off in LA on the sidewalk and blood out and there was two cops standing there.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's psychosis, not the same thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Not, it's not that, but here's what I said, is I said, those two cops.
[SPEAKER_04]: going home tonight and it's like hey sit down at dinner and one of them's going to sit there and say hey hey how's work today.
[SPEAKER_04]: I saw a guy cut his dick off on the sidewalk and then he bled out and then you know past the asparagus like that's yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how you mentally just set the block out all of that shit and then live a normal life after
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we work with a lot of first responders now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a nonprofit called the three, four, three fund.org, which sends first responders down specifically.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, yeah, like veterans, we work with a lot of veterans.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're retired.
[SPEAKER_01]: These first responders are going back into their job after we treat them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it still seems to be like going in, taking off the 50 pound, 100 pound rucksack you've been carrying, so that you can go back out more focused.
[SPEAKER_01]: enjoy life a little bit more while you face that stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_04]: So some of these guys are going back to real jobs and and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah 100 percent interesting because that's that's wild to me because you feel like if you freeze yourself from it
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why would you want to step back into it and potentially?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think just because they have to, you know, first responders that are still working, maybe in the middle of their careers, you know, how are they got to pay the bills somehow?
[SPEAKER_01]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think we work with a lot of professional athletes as well at one of the, uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: We've treated Alish Hemzky, former Dallas Star, Edmonton Oiler, assistant captain on the Oilers, hockey team for a dozen years.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was saying, wow, I wish I could have done this mid-career because he was retired for concussions.
[SPEAKER_01]: and he had a very lackluster retirement because he was just kind of quietly pushed aside because of the concussions.
[SPEAKER_01]: The cool thing was, I became actually gave him a vision of a final hockey game.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it gave him his last game so he could kind of forgive the fact that he hadn't had a last game as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he said and he's encouraging other athletes like do this in the middle of your career and it's gonna extend your career And I think that's true for first responders that want to keep working as well
[SPEAKER_05]: You can see what's happening there, though, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: You can see what problem it's solving.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's solving the problem of identity.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what psychedelics really do.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you have your identities built.
[SPEAKER_05]: There is some baseline software you can tell between the difference between your first and second kid, for example, not always the case, but almost always the case that the first one's more risk-averse, the second one is just more prone to lead with his head, for example, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: you can tell these things there is some there's no tabula raza no clean slate which which is an old theory so there is some underlying software but over time we build an identity we learn about
[SPEAKER_05]: What love is, primarily from our mother, we learned, because we start saying to phrase, I love you before we understand what it means.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_05]: Mom says it to us, we say it back to her, and our understanding of it is, this woman protects me or whatever, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: It provides me emotional support.
[SPEAKER_05]: So that's what love is to you.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the idea of love grows over time.
[SPEAKER_05]: When you get a little bit older, four, five, six, probably, you start to see it through example, like how data treats mom is in a historical example of how that happens.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then, you know, your identity gets layered on over time.
[SPEAKER_05]: You figure out what sort of things are important to you, and you go out and make a life based on those things.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what most people do, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's easy for that to get disrupted through a of shitty home life, through a bad pop culture getting sucked into this or that thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: And people historically have been too busy to have these luxury beliefs to under threat of danger, but now we're in a unique time and human history.
[SPEAKER_05]: And are the last couple of generations of the West.
[SPEAKER_05]: have opted for passification for substances that pacify us rather than elevate us.
[SPEAKER_05]: Back in the day, the Greeks would have used kaike on, for example, and not just booze.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mysteries of the least.
[SPEAKER_05]: They would have poured some kind of hallucinogen into their wine and drank it and had a fucking experience.
[SPEAKER_05]: The book of Revolution was likely written by John the revelator, but likely while he was on mushrooms,
[SPEAKER_05]: So a lot of this stuff about building core identity and how we interface with the world gets broken down.
[SPEAKER_05]: It gets built and it can get built poorly and then it can get broken down even when it is built correctly later on.
[SPEAKER_05]: The thing for special operators especially is that
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[SPEAKER_04]: What is, what pops up on screen there?
[SPEAKER_04]: Magical charms?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that another new flavor?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Performing the one?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Is that the protein powder?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you better.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is it available in bars?
[SPEAKER_04]: Because now you have my attention.
[SPEAKER_04]: I look, I love milk and lucky charms as much as the next guy, so I'm all in on that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Usually, all their protein powders are also the flavors of their bars as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I would imagine that's like taking the cereal and just leaving the milk left over with a lucky charms.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We got another good friend of ours, Josh Smith, over at MontanaknifeCompany.com.
[SPEAKER_04]: What is this, dude?
[SPEAKER_04]: He's dropping new products every week now.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is the Castle Rock?
[SPEAKER_04]: he's got the castle rock knife drop in uh... he's also got new apparel when's the castle rock knife drop in is that three twelve three twelve tomorrow three twelve twenty six boom that's a little many guy right there that's a little subway knife is what i used to call that neoric dog you took that away you pull that out pop it in somebody if you need to
[SPEAKER_04]: although I'm not recommending it, I'm just saying for self-defense.
[SPEAKER_04]: They've got the best hunting knives on the planets, and then the jackstone has been a surprise restock.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's become so big that it's become like a celebrity must have,
[SPEAKER_04]: It's on all the list you see in magazines and everything else, so much so that Josh sold out last year, man He sold out of a lot of items last year and got the funding got the expansion and now they are cranking same quality nice But now they've got a pair of those well and Josh
[SPEAKER_04]: Still waiting to wear that jacket man.
[SPEAKER_04]: I bought it from you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I use my promo code DB 10 it checkouts But it is 91 degrees here in Texas I will not be able to wear that's coaching soccer tonight.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm able to wear it at all and it looks beautiful Dang in my closet, but the weather's been in the 90s here 80s and I haven't been able to wear it And then Bob what's the last but not least go back to that last page.
[SPEAKER_04]: What is the new apparel item there?
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... this one rangeline yeah or yeah the rangeline pro it's a wool base layer so you know put it on under your jacket or whatever if you're going out in the in the cold oh hell yeah dude let's go let's go look there are perilous just as great as their knives uh... Josh Smith master bladesmith he's been making knives for over 30 years out of Montana uh... and now they're making amazing apparel as well i bet it's his wife he didn't tell me that but it's his wife too
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[SPEAKER_04]: Zippix is all over the office.
[SPEAKER_04]: I found it in the bathroom, by the way.
[SPEAKER_04]: Are you popping in a Zippix when you take a shit?
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm like a little beaver with these pieces of wood.
[SPEAKER_04]: My God, dude.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think it might have been my mouth.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think the, uh,
[SPEAKER_05]: the nicotine might be sending him to the bathroom.
[SPEAKER_05]: It could be also that helping out on the toilet.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well that's yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So sometimes if I'm there and I'm not feeling inspired.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, as it were.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I understand.
[SPEAKER_04]: I understand.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's also they have a new one.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's energy ones now.
[SPEAKER_05]: No shit.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So those I haven't had.
[SPEAKER_05]: I've had the nicotine ones.
[SPEAKER_04]: What are the energy ones?
[SPEAKER_05]: They're what he means.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's energy.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a caffeine.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's the same kind of principle.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's caffeine instead of nicotine.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, okay Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just want to make that clear for the audience there with some B12 as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, really B12 is great for energy.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm dude
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so if you're on a long flight or something like that,
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[SPEAKER_05]: and running backs that come from broken homes because they're tough.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they are driven by aggression, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: And that guy is out there searching for something to serve, because that's what human males define their identity by this finding something to serve.
[SPEAKER_05]: And if we end up serving ourselves, they will end up either narcissists or suicidal.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's one of the two.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's no other option.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you're serving yourself,
[SPEAKER_05]: So this is what I began to do.
[SPEAKER_05]: You could see it in all it like the common thread in all these journeys is that I'm faced not necessarily with something terrible I've done or seen but something that is affected my identity right like I'm a human being I serve a just world as a first responder And I'm seeing so much injustice to this starting to tear away this idea of a just world and then this thing can come back and repair it You see it with the hockey player
[SPEAKER_05]: He identifies himself like his core identity as is the captain of the team or the player on the team or whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like Gerard says, every athlete dies twice, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_05]: And being able to have that closure to wrap up that part of your identity and put it on the shelf, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: And then take the core elements of it and go back to your normal life and be that man for the rest of your life just in a different capacity.
[SPEAKER_05]: Something's difficult for most people.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but this drug, these drugs, rather, are facilitated for that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And when you go down there, is there during the screening process, you were talking about earlier, is there people that you just say, man, I don't know if this guy's ready for it?
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't, I'm sorry, I can't take you through this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 100%.
[SPEAKER_01]: We,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if somebody has something, like the obvious stuff would be a cute skits of Frania, or really a cute unmedicated bipolar disorder or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We asked for an EKG ahead of time, there's some heart issues that will screen out for as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of psych meds that people need to come off of ahead of time for at least five to ten days prior to arrival to us, so that needs to be within their capacity.
[SPEAKER_01]: it's happened a couple times fairly recently where you're like there's just no way it would be safe to give this person psychedelics really yeah we had one gentleman arrive into Malta and he was just all over the place like he brought
[SPEAKER_01]: multiple computers to still do to stop trading throughout the week and refuse to let go of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're like, dude, you have no idea where to get you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't let you trade stocks drunk, basically, because we need to take this away.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they do that when you're in the hospital.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like they take your computer in your phones, and we never have this issue before, but this guy clearly didn't know what he was getting into.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we turned him away.
[SPEAKER_01]: We said, we'll refund your money and get you out of here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Didn't mentally he think he was tough enough that like, hey, dude, this, I'm sure this is a fun little thing, and then I'm going to be able to go back to work the next time.
[SPEAKER_01]: The irony was he was sitting in the opening circle and he thought, oh man, all these people are really messed up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I shouldn't be here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he was clearly the most messed up of them all.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had no balance yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: No self-awareness.
[SPEAKER_04]: Just a work of all of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: A work of all, I think, is, I think, as Dr. referred him to us.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, his wife wanted him to stay, but he was just, he was,
[SPEAKER_01]: not on board.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was, he was trying to get off the roller coaster before we even gave him any drugs.
[SPEAKER_01]: So got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're, you know, I remember back when I was providing in Vancouver, there was a young woman who came through and I could just really tell she didn't trust me or the situation at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, it is not ethical for me to give you the most powerful psychedelic on earth while you don't trust me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Where she pissed off about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think in the moment she was, and I think she thanks me afterwards.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, during this process, you said it lasts 24 hours the first time?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, about 24 hours.
[SPEAKER_04]: And for that 24 hours, are you awake the entire time for 24 hours?
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's why you're so exhausted, because you were talking about the gray zone afterwards.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're pretty much awake the whole time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some people not off.
[SPEAKER_01]: it's interesting when they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is, yeah, the first six to 12 hours might be, you might see things, you might hear things.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's often described as a lucid dream type state.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's called owneric, which means as related to dreams.
[SPEAKER_01]: So not everybody gets visions, you don't need to have visions for I begin to work for you, but sometimes you get, uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, people describe like minority reports sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a big heads-up display and you can move things around and zoom into things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it's more analog, like a slide show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've had people say, how did you get those slides from my childhood?
[SPEAKER_01]: That was incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just completely convinced that we had planned that for her.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we said no then.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the medicine.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was all you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So people see things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some people times people, you know, game shows is a common theme like needing to needing to accomplish something beyond a game show and win.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes like just running different scenarios and if you get it right, you'll get a ding ding ding ding ding.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I say, everybody's journey is different, but common themes like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I've told you before DMT especially is like this because it's such a, it's a more truncated timeline.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you can like, I can write down something that I want to think about while I'm there, smoke it five, 15 minutes later.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm back out and like okay, let me adjust a little bit and go back and it's a lot.
[SPEAKER_05]: To me, it's quite a bit more versatile if you're already aware of what you're trying to work on.
[SPEAKER_05]: I use a performance now.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't have any kind of issues that I need to deal with.
[SPEAKER_05]: So now use it for performance, which makes it a lot easier.
[SPEAKER_05]: But the same principle exists, no matter what psychedelic it is, and that is it forces you to ask and answer questions that you avoid.
[SPEAKER_05]: Whether it's consciously or subconsciously avoiding, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like,
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, for the hockey guy, I'm afraid of the end, or I never got to experience the end and I feel regret for it.
[SPEAKER_05]: For a man admitting to anything is tough, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, as a dude, it's just difficult to admit to anything, literally.
[SPEAKER_05]: But under the drug it's so powerful, it can't stop it, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_05]: And to the point from before where people have to go back multiple times,
[SPEAKER_05]: It can show you the way and nothing more.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're the one that has to walk, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's no shade on people that have to go back.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes you just don't recognize what you really need to do until the second time or the third time, even, or maybe you walk a little bit, and you're like, you know, I need to go a little bit farther.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I need to go back, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: That's not, that doesn't mean you failed at it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Any more than like, you failed at getting your lift up and then you go back two weeks later and you get it, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just like, that's how it's life.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're constantly pushing forward and hopefully you accomplish what your goal is or your PR, whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: But let's take the audience through the first couple hours.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've heard there's somebody in the room with you the entire time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, for all four hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're hooked up to a heart monitor.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a nursing staff that's present the whole time.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you need anything, you'll raise your hand.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you need to go to the bathroom, raise your hand.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll disconnect you from the heart monitor.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to help you to the bathroom.
[SPEAKER_01]: You become very attacksick, very shaky when you're on the medicine.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you need help moving around.
[SPEAKER_01]: and you don't feel like moving around.
[SPEAKER_01]: So basically, you have a blindfold on, we have music playing in the room, and you're going deep into yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: And some people don't see anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's part of the preparation, is you really don't need to have a vision for this to work for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do they choose their music?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we play it throughout the room.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we do groups of anywhere from six to 11 people.
[SPEAKER_01]: At the same time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So everybody will have their own mattress, and they're all being monitored by the same medical staff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it's just, it's super hard to say what people see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like sometimes they get flooded with tons of images right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's auditory hallucinations are super common.
[SPEAKER_01]: You might hear things.
[SPEAKER_01]: You might hear, you know, your compatriot whispering something, but when you look nobody's saying anything, you might hear the staff talking to each other, but when you look nobody's saying anything, voices, whispers are super common.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, when I watch other podcasts and hear other people talking about, I became recently, I'm hearing a lot about this life review.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody gets this fantastic life review and it makes total sense and it's just not true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some people might get a minor life review, maybe some people do get a full spectrum.
[SPEAKER_01]: life review like your life flashing before your life flashing before your experience yeah just be clear yeah and then that and I hear that so much and other people are hearing that so much that they get disappointed when that doesn't show up so part of my mission is debunking that myth you might see a few things you might see
[SPEAKER_01]: Oftentimes, you can see people who have passed away.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's known as an ancestor medicine in the jungles of Africa where it's from.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you might get closure that way, but not always.
[SPEAKER_01]: But energetically, you might still feel as though you got closure, even though you didn't see someone.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a former green beret that we treated.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he felt pretty good overall about his career, but there was one.
[SPEAKER_01]: kill shot that really bothered him.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just one guy that had been trying to attack them for days, and he took the shot that ended his life.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for some reason, that one stood out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in his eye, again, journey, that guy appeared and said, hey, I was trying to kill you, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can let it go.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's like an unanswered question, that's like, that's what anxiety is, really, if you think about it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anxiety is an unanswered question, it's like, did I prepare enough for this thing?
[SPEAKER_05]: Am I capable of doing this what's gonna happen?
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, I mean, that's part of life.
[SPEAKER_05]: Not knowing is probably one of the more important parts of life because it tells you that you need to be resilient above all else, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: And what is what is resilience that goes back to this identity thing?
[SPEAKER_05]: The idea of becoming individually resilient is really important, especially in Western civilization.
[SPEAKER_05]: We identified that back with Aristotle in the third fourth century BC, but it is compounded.
[SPEAKER_05]: And one of the revelations, I guess, of individuality is that the only way that I can become resilient is if I make you resilient too, and you resilient, and you resilient, and we stand together against evil.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's how it has to work.
[SPEAKER_05]: So like that's one of the unanswered questions that I hear a lot of people in the military community asking because you are in this by necessity contained community and then you get out.
[SPEAKER_05]: And there's all these other questions about the war, about brain trauma, about closure.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's who I used to be who I'm now, but a big part of it as well is that can be it's why we started to chill in the first place back in the day, is the community.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_05]: And what does it mean to be part of one?
[SPEAKER_05]: And what does it mean?
[SPEAKER_05]: Like the purpose of individuality is to opt in to being part of the group.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's why it's better than collectivism.
[SPEAKER_05]: Collectivism requires that you are forced into a group, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Individuality, individual liberty doesn't say that you should go live alone in the woods somewhere.
[SPEAKER_05]: It says, you get to choose which group you're going to be a part of.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then, how do you choose?
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you choose based on Unchangeable, physical characteristics like skin color or something?
[SPEAKER_05]: Or do you pick people that believe the fucking important shit that you do?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's what defines the West versus the rest of the world.
[SPEAKER_05]: is that we made these conscious leaves, it took us 2,000 years, but we made these conscious leaves to decide we were going to become a creedal society and that's a huge part of it.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a big, unanswered question for a lot of veterans when they get out, for a lot of first responders when they start doing what they do, who am I now that I'm not doing this thing?
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think using these drugs is probably one of the better ways.
[SPEAKER_05]: for my opinions the best way to handle it.
[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, that's not out of everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: What he's describing is often summed up as operator syndrome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Operator syndrome isn't necessarily just the PTS or the moral injury that you might be suffering or even the physical injuries that you're suffering.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the fact that the brotherhood isn't there anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the fact that the career you identified with for the last 20 years isn't there anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: And these substances are very helpful for these times of transition and helping you move from carrying a machine gun to carrying the baby, which isn't an odd amount of easy tradition.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, hand strong enough to kill a man and soften enough to kill a baby.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's our ethos to some degree.
[SPEAKER_05]: But how do you do that?
[SPEAKER_05]: So some of the time when I'm smoking DMT, I'll think about like,
[SPEAKER_05]: I try to reduce it down to a part of my identity.
[SPEAKER_05]: What's important to me is a man to do, what functionally is important to me, to help people provide people whatever it is, protect people.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then I'm like, okay, I'm gonna be that guy.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll just say something kind of vague, like I'm gonna be the man.
[SPEAKER_05]: The last time I smoked, I'm gonna be the man, they need me to be, who's they, I don't know yet, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a question that I'm gonna go fuck and answer now.
[SPEAKER_05]: I smoked drugs and I start seeing a bunch of people's groups, whatever the fuck in my brain.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is how you use psychedelics, probably.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you know, for real, he's an expert in, and he's been doing it for many, many years.
[SPEAKER_04]: And at a level where I've had a lot of friends who psychedelics, and it's like, some of them are dipshits frankly.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's because they're chasing something that doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're chasing their vana, their vana's not a fucking thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Eastern, Eastern religions figured out a lot of stuff, but what they didn't,
[SPEAKER_05]: with that chase for inner peace, what they forgot about was that the entire reason we make ourselves better is to serve other people.
[SPEAKER_05]: Every meaningful thing you do in your life will be in the service of somebody else.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hard fucking stop after that.
[SPEAKER_05]: So if you approach it with that mindset,
[SPEAKER_05]: I want to become better, not for me, but for the people around me, then you don't fall into this fucking trap where these people end up smoking and just crying in the woods and stick fighting and pretending like they're fucking becoming men.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not sense, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Like there is a process for all this stuff that works very well, and it does include some Eastern stuff as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: But this drug is from South America.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's South Africa or South Africa, excuse me, our West Africa, but yeah, yeah, it's not from Asia.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is it's not with it.
[SPEAKER_05]: This isn't opium.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's something else and it comes from a long line of people who are like he said
[SPEAKER_05]: A part of it was a bigger part of the origination of this stuff is the ancestor worship, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: And that was a very, and it should continue to be a very important part of our civilization.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not seeing go to North Korea where the guy's grandfather is still the president, technically.
[SPEAKER_05]: Or his dead dad is still the leader of the military.
[SPEAKER_05]: That might be a little too far, that might be retarded.
[SPEAKER_05]: But,
[SPEAKER_05]: this idea that we borrow honor from the past.
[SPEAKER_05]: My name is this.
[SPEAKER_05]: My people did this and I'm going to fucking take that baton and continue into the next generation to live my life in a way that my descendants can fucking take honor from me.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a very important part of civilization that's how it transfers one person to another.
[SPEAKER_05]: And if you're able to,
[SPEAKER_05]: get yourself on a mental and spiritual plane, where you can understand the sacrifices of the past and the contextualize them for the present, then you can give something truly great to the future, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And one of the most interesting things that I found about, because my entire family was military pretty much, I mean, going to where we're one,
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we're two other grandfather was in Korea.
[SPEAKER_04]: One was in Vietnam and in reserves and all that other stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: And when I would hear their stories, interestingly enough, they never, ever, ever told me any war stories.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I never got to hear about the things they did or whatever, they always talked about the camaraderie and the missing of the brotherhood.
[SPEAKER_04]: So like, I knew about their friends.
[SPEAKER_04]: And like, they would tell me stories about their friends.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, man, there was this one guy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Chris, he was crazy, or, you know,
[SPEAKER_04]: who else and we would always laugh and he was the funniest dude and all that other stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's what they missed the most.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then all the sudden boom, you're back in America and then you're expected to go work a normal job with the shit birds that truthfully you probably don't have anything in common with.
[SPEAKER_04]: They certainly didn't have the same shared experiences you did going through
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, times war or anything else and then you feel like you're stuck man and mud and you're just in this nine to five and you don't know if you can get out of it
[SPEAKER_01]: That was my grandfather.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a World War II that, and he wouldn't speak to anybody about the war except he would go to the Royal Canadian Legion and sit and talk with other people who would served in World War II.
[SPEAKER_01]: And otherwise, he'd definitely had PTS post-traumatic stress and he medicated it with the case of beer every night.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And actually speaking of the ancestor showing up in New York, I began journeys.
[SPEAKER_01]: He came to me in an IBA game journey and said Trevor, you need to stop drinking for my lineage.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a super powerful, whoa moment, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had no intent or desire to stop drinking when I went into that journey, but I decided to give it a try.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, now I went about three and a half years after that journey without drinking, then I let it in for special occasions.
[SPEAKER_01]: It never went.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was never entirely off the rails, but then I drank for special occasions, then I had another journey probably four years ago now and just decided to stop again.
[SPEAKER_04]: Did you serve a way?
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: What made you get into this then?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that was it's kind of what you were just talking about when you recognize that ultimate fulfillment is going to come
[SPEAKER_01]: I was in my early 20s, I was reading book after book about how to be successful, how to be happy, how to make money, I didn't go to university, but I had a chip on my shoulder that I'd be at least as successful as my friends who did, so I went through this really big self-education process and at one point I stopped my tracks and I said, well why am I reading all these books?
[SPEAKER_01]: The answer came back, I want to be happy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's cut to the chase.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do all these books say about being happy?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I realize that the happiest people, or at least the people I most wanted to emulate, seem to be helping a heck of a lot more people than I was at this time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I found that to be a valid hypothesis.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when I turned my attention to Vancouver's Downtown East Side and just started looking at ways that I might be able to help out that neighborhood with, no skills on paper.
[SPEAKER_01]: that would indicate I had any chance of helping that neighborhood, but I thought that might be an asset, maybe I'd have fresh eyes, and it took almost 10 years, but that ended up being true.
[SPEAKER_01]: I found eye-begined because I just kept looking at ways to help.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ultimate College, by the way, or okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, just graduate high school.
[SPEAKER_01]: But ultimately, but I've been published in four medical journals now.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: More than most of the Dr. Friends.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's our including Nature Medicine, which is where we, the Stanford paper ended up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I just wanted to give back, saw this as how I'm going to feel good.
[SPEAKER_01]: The hypothesis proved true.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is nothing that feels better than genuinely helping people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I get like text messages every day on how much lives have changed through people walking through our front doors in ambia.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's been incredible.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because you know, online,
[SPEAKER_04]: follow, you know, influencers.
[SPEAKER_04]: I hate that fucking word.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: But like people on Instagram and things like that, who have, you know, said, I began to change my life.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then they'll go into the stories, it almost feels to me like unless you've done it.
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't really know what that journey or that process is about.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's what's fascinating for other people of like, all right, if it changes this guy's life and this guy's a piece of shit, then maybe I should do it and it'll change my life.
[SPEAKER_04]: Has there been people that have come through and they came out of it and it didn't help them whatsoever?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really small percentage.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I like that 5% that 5 degree horse change.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think everybody gets at least that.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they look back on their life a year from the time they did I began some pretty cool things have shifted.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's almost to the person.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, we have an incredibly high satisfaction rate.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, it's not a, nothing, nothing medicinally will work without lifestyle changes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's true of any medicine you take.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to be willing to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I begin seems to like it's very good at helping you get rid of negative patterns.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like think of the most extreme example as heroin addiction.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody comes in before they come.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've been spending 70, 80, 90% of the time of their time, their emotional energy.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're psychic energy focusing on the next hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can take that away virtually overnight, then that leaves a vacuum.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you going to fill that vacuum with?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's part of the preparation we do.
[SPEAKER_01]: We encourage people to put together a five-to-thrive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Five things are going to do every day on the way out of this to make sure that their life continues to move in the right direction.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's good at ending those negative patterns, and it's really good at supporting you implementing those positive patterns.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, ultimately you've got to rebuild your identity after that, especially with addiction.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's one thing, whenever you go into a sustained fighter flight mode, whether it be addiction or post-managed stress or whatever the fuck it is, psychotic breaks even.
[SPEAKER_05]: Once you come out of it, you've got to rebuild your identity from scratch sometimes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oftentimes, there is something that you used to be that you can become again.
[SPEAKER_05]: But some people, if it's a career you've moved on from or something like that, you can't necessarily become that again.
[SPEAKER_05]: So again, you've got to reduce that to the fundamental principles of what that thing was that you were.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right?
[SPEAKER_05]: I was in the military, but I'm a protector.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's really what it is.
[SPEAKER_05]: It isn't the military part is superfluous.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_05]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyways, uh, look at this weirdo who just showed up here.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's coming to walk on Saturday now.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, we shouldn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure it didn't.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there you go.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, what's up here?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, good to see you, buddy.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll see you on the next show, brother.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we've got a half-power here.
[SPEAKER_05]: He might be.
[SPEAKER_05]: He might be on, I bet he would have a game right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you just strolled in, dude.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you're like, oh, you guys live on air, fuck it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, dude, all hop on in.
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't worry about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now you're good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Grab some hard to have if I can chill out there, and I'll stay in a second.
[SPEAKER_04]: But Texas gets a lot of things wrong, obviously we're in the state of Texas in particular with drugs.
[SPEAKER_04]: There are stance on marijuana over the years.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's been fucking ridiculous in my opinion, and then Governor Weald shared the last seconds.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was like 12-0-1 on a Sunday night.
[SPEAKER_04]: had said, no, we're going to allow this to continue with Delta 8, Delta 9, everything else.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I personally was stunned that Rick Perry and these guys got together last year, but Lee was last June, raised $50 million for the states and they gave it to UT Health and Houston in collaboration with those guys to help Texas,
[SPEAKER_04]: lead this surge into iBegain clinical trials and then governor abits uh... actually signs and iBegain treatments research law uh... at the Texas capital shortly thereafter words who got in these guys are because no offense at all see abits sitting down and taking a break paris entire circle is all veterans yeah that's it and mark us the trail the lone survivor
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess buddy of ours and Dakota mod.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's good friends with Rick as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of dude.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of like Texas veterans who are in Rick's ear a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but like Marcus the trail and the governor met in San Diego the first time the governor pop by
[SPEAKER_01]: Marcus showed him around.
[SPEAKER_01]: The governor said to Marcus, hey, if you're ever near the governor's mansion, knock on the door or pop by, which I guess he says to everybody, nobody actually did to Marcus showed up with a bag basically didn't leave for a year and a half.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, he saw how bad Marcus was and was trying to help him recover, and that, yeah, and then he saw him do eye-bogaine, and that changed everything in Marcus's life.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where the governor is like, I'm all over this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now they have started the Americans for eye-bogaine initiative, a nonprofit, basically trying to quarterback these states into
[SPEAKER_01]: spending money towards getting clinical trials for iBugaine done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Texas put $50 million towards it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I spoke at the Mississippi State Capitol not long ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just signed a bill putting $5 million in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Phoenix, Arizona has put $5 million in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Missouri is moving towards it, Oklahoma is moving towards it.
[SPEAKER_01]: A whole bunch of these red states, which is crazy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is this something where it'll eventually, uh, you can take the treatment here in America?
[SPEAKER_04]: Because everybody's going to Mexico, where Colombia or, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the goal, is to first get it rescheduled.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's schedule one right now, which means that it's got a high chance of abuse, and it's got zero medical use, which you've just heard everything.
[SPEAKER_05]: Man, if you're using eye-beginn recreationally, you are a different kind of human being than I am.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, fuck that's- I've never done it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I've hundreds of my friends have done it, but I've done psychedelics for howl, let's see, 30 some years, and fuck that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no, that's not something like hey, what are you guys doing this weekend?
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you want to go to hell?
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no, no, I don't fuck that Yeah, yeah, yeah, shit puke yourself and sweat and fucking be stuck in a room.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to watch the brave skin now Yeah, no chance of abuse and it's anti-addictive We use it to get people off of opias.
[SPEAKER_05]: I would love to meet the person though.
[SPEAKER_05]: They got addicted
[SPEAKER_05]: not not like to the journey part of it but like if you can get physically addicted to eye-begin you deserve to run the country i think or something we got a reward you somehow you have most of the time somebody's done it
[SPEAKER_01]: I've done it 11 times.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I know anybody that's a liar.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just because I work with it, I try and do it once a year to remind myself what I'm doing to people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there have been times where on my own grade A, I'm like, fuck this, I can't, I don't need to do this every year.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is retarded.
[SPEAKER_01]: What am I doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe I do this to people, but the very next day, I felt like a million bucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, of course I'm doing this again next year.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now with DMT, it's like two minutes after the five minute or 15 minute trip, where you feel that way.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so I'm just saying, if you're not battling something extreme, maybe just, you know, go to the DMT route.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you're looking at a short and the road trip, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And you can find there's a church now, so it's legal in the US.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's a church that the federal government allows, technically, allows to administer DMT and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's probably 25 Navy Seals that do it one here in town
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I heard about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that something you're I have heard that they
[SPEAKER_05]: technically have a legal leg to stand on if push comes to shove but it's not all the way legal it's basically have a defense it would have to be a judicial and there's I just considering the people that are involved in it there's no way the federal government comes snatch him but once in a few seals who are helping other fucking veterans yeah yeah yeah so yeah there that I mean that's part of it though like if you're in a position
[SPEAKER_05]: Forget about, you know, there's all these different levels where you can help people.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes helping people is establishing infrastructure for something that you may not personally get to benefit from.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right?
[SPEAKER_05]: What's that old phrase?
[SPEAKER_05]: If you, uh, civilizations grow great when men plant trees under which a shade they'll never sit.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a, that's a big part of our community here, is building for the next generation.
[SPEAKER_05]: All these, there was some dust up we talked about it with the VA a couple about a month ago where they were trying to pull some bullshit and everybody kind of lit them up.
[SPEAKER_05]: is like, what do you care?
[SPEAKER_05]: You're already fucking this or that?
[SPEAKER_05]: And one of the VA's responses to it was, oh, this won't affect anybody that's already got their rating.
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't fucking care about that.
[SPEAKER_05]: We care about all of us.
[SPEAKER_05]: You can see this shit.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they're trying to do it now.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're trying to use AI software to go through everybody's fucking medical paperwork to identify fraud.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, what are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_05]: Isn't that the doctor's job?
[SPEAKER_05]: Look at the guides.
[SPEAKER_05]: You got a leg?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: The fucking you talking about.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's,
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyways, the VA sucks, and it's fucking pointless, and it shouldn't exist.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you think this should be part of VA entreatment for veterans?
[SPEAKER_04]: Is that something you're lobbying for for the future?
[SPEAKER_01]: Ultimately, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think running this through clinical trials so that it can be made available state side as a prescription is a good thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's never going to be a prescription like walk into a pharmacy grab your eye again and go home with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always going to need to be done.
[SPEAKER_01]: in hopefully is setting a lot like ambio so that's we are supporting all these initiatives in the states and once one of these drugs gets through as a prescription then they're going to need clinic providers in the state so it's our goal to eventually have an ambio in every state would be ideal in
[SPEAKER_01]: We'd be happy to work with the VA.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you don't want to take Ibogame to sit in a sterile hospital room and trip alls by yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you've got to start with the end in mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: The end in mind is what we're doing in Mexico.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just coming in alone and taking Ibogame.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've found great value in the group setting.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do things like put a sweat lodge in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's breath work.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's mindful movement or yoga and meditation.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of preparation that goes around simply taking the drug.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then after you leave, how long is it take to kick in where you start to notice a life change?
[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty quickly, like I think a lot of people feel as though they leave the 100 pound rock sack.
[SPEAKER_01]: down in the five days.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they feel a lot lighter almost instantly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then some people take, there's an energetic tax that I regain as a view.
[SPEAKER_01]: You might be tired for a week or two.
[SPEAKER_01]: It takes me like a full 14 days before I get all my energy back personally.
[SPEAKER_01]: But some people bounce back right away and feel like a million bucks on the way out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just thinking of, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: a father reached out to me recently.
[SPEAKER_04]: He was you're put on reading glass.
[SPEAKER_05]: So he was yeah, no, he knows what frugal rock is.
[SPEAKER_05]: It comes with those glass.
[SPEAKER_05]: The knowledge of frugal rock.
[SPEAKER_01]: This guy there's a great movie by the way called in waves and war on Netflix which features Marcus Capone Maddie Roberts DJ Shipley.
[SPEAKER_01]: All former Navy SEALs and their personal journeys with IBA gained on various levels and they come down to ambia for treatment.
[SPEAKER_01]: But somebody referred DJ referred this father to me, her daughter, his daughter had suffered traumatic brain injury.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think from skiing was 21 years old, really messed up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Suicidal didn't want to live like this for the rest of her life.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got her in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got this text yesterday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, Trevor.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for what you've been doing for my daughter and our family.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fitting us in so quickly and then rescheduling is needed.
[SPEAKER_01]: She felt incredibly welcomed, safe and cared for at Ambeo.
[SPEAKER_01]: The treatment has changed her life and she feels in her words, born again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a very high expectations for the impact of this treatment and they were exceeded.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's brought joy and tears hearing about what she went through and the way it was handled by the staff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe this has saved her life.
[SPEAKER_01]: She feels a strong conviction to share this message.
[SPEAKER_01]: It goes on for another paragraph, but that's yesterday's text.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those come through all the time, like it's really
[SPEAKER_01]: It's such an honor to work with something that seems so good at delivering on its promise in this world of false promises.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think as you know, most psychedelics have a pretty powerful impact.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the unique thing about eye-begining is
[SPEAKER_01]: The impact it seems to have on the physical system itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we don't know of any psychedelics.
[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen the brain scans showing that anything else is actually reversing traumatic brain injury.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's also good at treating Parkinson's disease.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did a case study on veteran that we treated who was diagnosed with MS.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had brain lesions that showed up on a brain scan.
[SPEAKER_01]: And after the IBA game protocol we went, we put them through again.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was reduced in size by 73% I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: An MS brain lesion, so that guy has no symptoms of MS anymore.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know two people, two women who have come through results may vary of course, but these two women came through, went back to their doctors and the doctors said we can no longer technically diagnose you as having MS.
[SPEAKER_05]: which is like, even with relapsing remedi, you can always tell, you can always test for it, which is interesting.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the thing that I want to see at some point in the future, and obviously there's got to be some research on this.
[SPEAKER_05]: But when you return that person to that state of vitality, with the physical brain is what I, the way that I always say it,
[SPEAKER_05]: to have stem cells be injected to pass the blood-brain barrier.
[SPEAKER_05]: I've had it done myself before.
[SPEAKER_05]: But in that moment after, where there's some damage to the brain, but you've returned blood flow, you've returned electricity to those parts, and you've send in these stem cells from, like, my buddy's company, Bio Accelerator and Columbia is the best one in the world, my opinion.
[SPEAKER_05]: Chuckle Dells gone there.
[SPEAKER_05]: All those guys, AJ, Buckley's gone.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thanks for your reference.
[SPEAKER_05]: A bunch of our friends have gone there.
[SPEAKER_05]: It'll, the, the stencils go to the area and they remind the area how to replicate themselves correctly.
[SPEAKER_05]: Think of it as putting a stamp back in the ink, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: If you could do that for somebody with Alzheimer's or any fucking brain injury, doesn't matter what it is.
[SPEAKER_05]: Any kind of brain neurological or even autoimmune injury, whatever it happens to be.
[SPEAKER_05]: that it's pretty promising that you could end that permanently.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like that's something that we should be looking into.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, at least, you know, the legislation here is, you know, past and bills, they're, you know, approving funds and all that other stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it might not be that far around the corner to where you'll be able to do this state side and then a bunch of these states, so that way you're not having to travel, you know,
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, on the other side of the false promises stuff is the alarmist bullshit stuff, right, where it's like not one nobody's getting addicted to I began, but even if it was potentially addictive, that doesn't mean it doesn't have uses and all of the just absolute lies surrounding stem cell stuff is insane to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_05]: Can't believe that's still going on.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's so fucking dumb, so there's a NATO hospital.
[SPEAKER_05]: They ask, they have a very specific type of person that are looking for very healthy somewhere between 19 and 22 years old, and the stem cells come after birth.
[SPEAKER_05]: Babies are already alive, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: They come from the embilical cord, now the place is like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: After it doesn't, there's no damage being done anything.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just not true.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's, I don't, the pharmaceutical industry spent billions of dollars lying about this for years with the help of a bunch of right wing politicians in the United States to keep that shut down, which is why you gotta go to fucking Columbia to get it done.
[SPEAKER_05]: It should be standard care here, frankly.
[SPEAKER_05]: It should be so standard that the average person
[SPEAKER_04]: Everybody who's done it says it's changed their life.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I've never met somebody who's who's done it and said Didn't work for me or didn't help me out in some way shape or form Athletes people in the military everything like you know, so Hopefully it'll change someday, but you know everybody's got weird beliefs and all that other shit, and that's a
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a whole other story to politics, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_04]: That's fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now's the point to show we get to the drinking bro of the week, which is someone who has inspired you or helps you become the person you are today.
[SPEAKER_04]: For you, who inspired you to do this?
[SPEAKER_04]: Was there one person that really changed your life?
[SPEAKER_04]: And said, hey, this should be my new mission?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's tough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of like, how could these adults believe this fairy tale?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then in my early 20s, I started investigating spirituality and kind of all religion.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then came back to Jesus and realized, this guy was one of the most badass people to ever have lived.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was really saying,
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, I am divine.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are all divine.
[SPEAKER_01]: These things I do, you can do in greater, and they said, oh, you can't say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Take that back.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, no, I'm not going to take that back.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, well, we're going to string you up on a cross if you don't take that back.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, you're not listening to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're, and he just turned his attention to,
[SPEAKER_01]: people that needed help.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when I talked about people I most want to emulate who seemed to be helping people, he seemed to help a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what he was one of the inspirations for turning my attention to the downtown East Side of Vancouver where addicts, people addicted to drugs, are kind of the lepers of today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody really wants to help them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I turned my attention to see what I could do to help those folks.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everything good in my life has come out of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the downtown East Side of Vancouver still exists.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everything I am doing is still working towards being able to go back there legally and in scale to help out people in that neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, look, man, it's a fascinating story and you're an interesting dude and you've helped a lot of people, a lot of our friends.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they swear by it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, Rob is swear by it and yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you're out there and you wanna give this a shot, where should they go?
[SPEAKER_01]: Our website is ambio.lifeambi.io.life.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got a great Instagram page at ambio life sciences.
[SPEAKER_01]: And our website has incredible videos, Roboneels, and in the 20 minute video on the screen there, Cody Alford, Alishemski, Tony Cowden, and other special forces that there's a lot of great resources on that website.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's probably the best resource for eye-begining on the planet now, and not only just about eye-begining, but about eye-begining itself, so check that out.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's say we'll put the link in the audio description, Bob.
[SPEAKER_04]: That way, anybody who wants to check it out can go there.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that way in case you forgot what you heard and maybe you're driving listening to this show, you don't have a pen on you or whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: Just check the audio link in the, I'm sorry, the link in the audio description.
[SPEAKER_01]: And definitely check out InWaves and War on Netflix.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just came out in November.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was one of the top documentaries for a little while.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is an incredible movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're interested at all, make sure you see InWaves and War.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, perfect.
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