[SPEAKER_05]: Hey, hey, this is Bree Baguau with your Only Vance Break App and Erin Barrens from San Sabatexus with someone I first knew of as one half of the Austin-based group Ghostline Observatory, often described as electro-dance soul rock.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, sad-sat city was a total go-to jam and I was in college.
[SPEAKER_06]: But we never met until this podcast where I felt like he was an immediate friend.
[SPEAKER_06]: We get into some behind-the-court moments such as why he had war hissing through stage braids and stage pants with Ghostland.
[SPEAKER_06]: But then we also talk about the solo songs and falling through record he's about to launch.
[SPEAKER_06]: And we reminisce about Austin and the early 2000s.
[SPEAKER_06]: I checked out Ghostlands Instagram, and they have some really cool stuff coming up.
[SPEAKER_06]: But be sure to follow Erin at ErinBarenz, BEH, R-E-N-S, and ErinBarenz.com for all things happening with my new buddy.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't believe it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ghostland on my podcast.
[SPEAKER_06]: How cool is that?
[SPEAKER_06]: Enjoy!
[SPEAKER_02]: If one goes, it will never be a game, so that's the kind of relationships I'm interested in getting into with my musical partners, and that's with Jonas, I can take him a song, I'm a real hook guy, like a lot of times I hear the hook first, like that's always my first thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I make trot lines, I don't make hook after hook, after hook, after hook, after hook, okay?
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, hey everybody, this is Free Bagwell, and this is my podcast.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll leave a house, we'll talk to my friends.
[SPEAKER_04]: We love it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, I have these hats, so say I want to be where the sugar daddy's are, and, um, and Kyle is wearing it right now.
[SPEAKER_06]: I want to be where the sugar daddy's are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that a hot item?
[SPEAKER_02]: March out of month there?
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, we either sell zero of them or we sell all of them.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like a hoodie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's on where you're at.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but I thought we,
[SPEAKER_06]: I ended up putting like three baguette pins on them just because it doesn't have my names name on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, that's good idea.
[SPEAKER_06]: I didn't feel comfortable putting my name on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, it kind of looks like...
[SPEAKER_02]: It honestly, if you do the pins on it, it adds an extra bit of bling to the swag.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's right, that's a real...
[SPEAKER_06]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, and you can charge more.
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, that was my viral TikTok.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was like, my team said it.
[SPEAKER_06]: your first ball on TikTok.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm going to get a record deal and get signed and like what is it?
[SPEAKER_06]: It's the sugar daddy's.
[SPEAKER_02]: All my dreams are going to come true.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know the TikTok thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's how you get famous.
[SPEAKER_06]: You should start a TikTok.
[SPEAKER_06]: You don't even need talent.
[SPEAKER_06]: Listen, I'm so excited how do we sound kind we sound great my friend Aaron Beeren's is here in the flesh How do you how to how to and you're wearing your sunglasses?
[SPEAKER_06]: So I had a really bad eyelash day today.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I'm also wearing my sunglasses.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the sunglasses God's here.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are blessed us today.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, and I don't I had I celebrated Valentine's day yesterday So I did too.
[SPEAKER_06]: What did you do yesterday?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, so yes, or actually day before, right, Saturday, yeah, was Valentine's.
[SPEAKER_02]: My daughter's birthday is on Valentine's.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, a bunch of women in Yolanda.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have tons of women.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have three daughters.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So my middle daughter, Melanie, her birthday was on Saturday, so we were at a dance competition.
[SPEAKER_02]: and uh... then had a birthday and uh... yeah you are surrounded by uh... full day of course and and that's nothing that that was my youth it was what we mean what just grown up performing and stuff just always been around hairspray and loud loud people
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, you need a hair tie, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do.
[SPEAKER_06]: I do.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know.
[SPEAKER_06]: I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: It actually is a back and forth thing with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be like, pants, should I cut it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, the braids are kind of a signature.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to get away from, you know, and it's crazy because it's like, you know, the whole dang reason I started wearing braids in the first place was because William
[SPEAKER_06]: No way.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was going to ask you this because, okay, well, we're obviously talking about the Ghostland Days.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: A such a signature look for you and it was because of Willie?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it did.
[SPEAKER_02]: All of it was not planned at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just like Ghostland was not planned.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what's crazy about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Literally, I really liked Willie.
[SPEAKER_02]: And because I used to just, did I get off work on Fridays?
[SPEAKER_02]: I would just hit the back roads and just go listen, Willie Bob Marley.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just fucking Cruz.
[SPEAKER_02]: smoke down have a good time just unwind you know and I remember I was getting ready for my show the first time when I was like I gotta do something different so I was like dude I'm just gonna put my hair in bright like willy and nobody was like hey here's these aviators just throw these on I just had them sitting around I was like okay cool so I just put those on had my wife's you know white pants on and
[SPEAKER_06]: I remember the white pants, the ACL white pants.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the ACL white pants, and then also her pink corduroy pants was.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was the sum of the first pants I wore.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was her.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_02]: So everything was just like, just, you know, out of the closet and thrown together, and it just happened.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then that becomes that's so funny because I remember when a guy came to a show one time and I've been playing for a couple years and he goes, I don't have two hours to be here and you're not wearing your red boots.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that was when I realized that those were my signature thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: But the reason I have those because Anderson being gave me a pair of red boots and they were the nicest boots that I had.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so I just wore them every time and I didn't even realize I was creating an image.
[SPEAKER_02]: It sticks with you, but at the same time as an artist you change.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, therefore, it's hard to keep that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Keep the plaster up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to research these walls again, you know?
[SPEAKER_06]: I know.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're trying to keep it fresh, but also keep it, you know, nostalgia for people.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, but also be true to yourself.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's, I think, that's the constant grass being at as an artist, you know, you're always trying to be aware of my hat, where am I projecting from at this point of time?
[SPEAKER_02]: And does it reflect what I used to be or is it where I'm going?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know?
[SPEAKER_06]: Right, or my producer, she asked me, what does Brebego want to say right now?
[SPEAKER_06]: And no one had ever really asked me that?
[SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_06]: That I try to keep that with me.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to.
[SPEAKER_06]: Man, and the more you record the more you're like, is ready?
[SPEAKER_06]: You're going to like this?
[SPEAKER_06]: Is it short enough?
[SPEAKER_06]: Is it commercial enough?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that I think we get all lost in all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, being, because, because, you know, those things, we, we were doing everything ourselves in the beginning and we still do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we've never had manager.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've never been in a tour of us.
[SPEAKER_06]: What you'd never have had a manager?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, we don't have, we have our own label.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've never had a major record label.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, but having that kind of career in the beginning for 20 years, you know, touring off and on, it's just like you get to that point where it's like, you really have to continue to recheck into yourself and be like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, you know, am I being where I'm at it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Am I being true to myself?
[SPEAKER_02]: Am I being true to my art and what I'm doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, that's somewhere I've always tried to come back to.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm glad you said that because that's where we all need to be at, you know.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and I think it's a constant evolution.
[SPEAKER_06]: So is that why you're exploring more of this solo thing or how to, you know, I'm just... Well, you know, for sure, no, for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's always been me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've always, you know, I was doing, you know, open mics that rude of my coffee and fourth street back in light.
[SPEAKER_02]: early days, you know, before I started ghostland, you know, because ghostland we met in the ad in the Austin Chronicle and the back of the paper you could be able to put ads for a different artist you look for.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you would like, okay, when you wanted to start a band, you'd be like, okay, I'm putting this ad out and then you start getting some calls, you describe them, you know, I'm looking for somebody that can do like radio head, but has the dire straits in the background, you know, you just describe your lover, you're looking for, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: and you had literally try out all these musicians all week long and Thomas ended up coming in and it was just like, well, what was it?
[SPEAKER_06]: Did you advertise for a synth player?
[SPEAKER_02]: We did and we wanted we wanted some sort of like electronic musician to come in.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is like 2002.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, so that's right before I got to Austin, so I barely missed you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay, so that's kind of when the Brew started happening and we do we literally just locked ourselves in the room.
[SPEAKER_02]: We would go to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was working construction.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was working at a law firm downtown and literally we'd get off work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Spend the rest of the night till like four in the morning every night for a good two to three years of just like hammering trying to find our sound.
[SPEAKER_06]: that is so incredible I can't believe and you know what's crazy is like now trying to find players is so hard but I remember back then I mean I remember auditioning drummers when I started my band auditioned like 10 drummers in Austin and now it's like trying to find a touring drummer is so hard I can miss those days but does that say something about the economy probably too you know what I'm saying like I mean it says something definitely for sure for
[SPEAKER_02]: for musicians to be able to live in Austin, be gigging musicians and live in Austin proper, you know?
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I, you know, that's why I live in New Bounceles, it kind of just got to expensive it pushed out.
[SPEAKER_06]: But they were, you know, there was a lot of things that were going on where Brandon Anthony was, they were really trying to make Austin more musician-friendly and ham, of course, as a great great great organization.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: But it was still just we got so hard for us all to live there.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're all kind of on the
[SPEAKER_02]: I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one else, especially when you start having a family and you're trying to raise babies on that music money, I guess they end real quick.
[SPEAKER_06]: It gets so thin.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, and I was telling Kyle because I just had, you know, green haul this week.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just had a big money week in this weekend and everybody around me was getting the flu and I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't get sick like you're counting on money so hard that it's stressful to have to stay healthy.
[SPEAKER_02]: three hundred sixty five days a year, especially when you're singing and you're in different environments, you're shaking hands, you're hugging people, you know, you're constantly in that environment, which I also think helps you as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really think all the early years of flights and all over the country in the world really got my boost to my mean system, some weird way, but I agree, I totally agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Totally, but uh, and then also going back to
[SPEAKER_02]: how you're saying, how I got into the acoustic thing, you know, we were doing the fourth street thing and you know, this is always being an artist and being a songwriter has always been in me, you know, no matter what clothing or exterior, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: presentation you're using at it, what it always boils down to is being a songwriter, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you able to tell a story that's going to capture the audience and then if you can lay on a performer on top of being a songwriter, then you've got a great thing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got layers to your expression, you know?
[SPEAKER_06]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_06]: And this is, I mean, there's so fun here.
[SPEAKER_06]: You say that you're in, you know, Austin coffee shops and stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: I moved there in O5.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I just barely missed you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could've had yours.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: That, to me, I had O5, O6 was like white hot.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, because you were, wait, your ACL was when I was in college.
[SPEAKER_06]: What year was that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that was, I think that was O6.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, our first, first ACL.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was the daytime show?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: I that's so wild and I was in your pop-in and that that is so exciting that you found a unique sound built a unique sound and then we're able to have this success without man like that's so wild And it's honestly really like it really clicked in because we were oh remember we were playing red eye fly right and we were really trying it like I was writing some of the earlier stuff and it's more like rock real rock heavy and
[SPEAKER_02]: Tom's just like, no, I want to do more like beats in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I remember we had this one song that we would do the beats and I would dance and sing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like the first song we started doing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So we read, read, I fly.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's like maybe like 15 people there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually have this on DVD by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did this moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got it on DVD and blew right next week.
[SPEAKER_02]: But so I start dancing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And all of a sudden you start singing.
[SPEAKER_02]: and then you start seeing them start kind of like loosen enough and moving yeah and it just I don't know what it just changed the whole dynamic of of the energy of the night and people started just like moving you started getting them and we're like oh dude wait a minute some just happened on that song we just did you know like everybody started grooving so we just leaned into that heavier you know and then all of a sudden it just started taking off and then sat at city once
[SPEAKER_02]: it dropped, it was a natural thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, one of what I started playing for us, I mean, it just really naturally took off.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was no like big money push behind it or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: That is so beautiful.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was real thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right, because you never, first of all, you never know anymore what is actually viral versus what is paid for a viral, which, you know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't, I don't, I don't really care.
[SPEAKER_06]: I wish success on everybody.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: But that is really cool that it did happen like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, we're blessed dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm seriously end to be able to still be able to play shows.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Twenty something years later to over 20 years being able to still do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think honestly having that initial success like that really solidified us being able to continue on now.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: And play venues like Whitewood or everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the beautiful.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love white water.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean just the fact that we've and and that's what's been cool to is this whole area has really always supported us and always like
[SPEAKER_02]: because they like that fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have a good time, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's kind of like whenever we place a lean out or live shows, people just kind of, their hips start to move and their wrist start to move and they just kind of get a little give them a reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, but then, you know, but I, and like I think that's for me is what the wonderful balance is what I'm doing now.
[SPEAKER_02]: is I'm able to not have to be so much of that front man showman.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could just focus on just I just want to sing years on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like let me just let me just sing years on.
[SPEAKER_06]: way to bring that back around.
[SPEAKER_06]: We go quiet on a tangent.
[SPEAKER_06]: I do that.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's what I do best.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's go on tangent.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm the tangent king.
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, I like to be both of those people too.
[SPEAKER_06]: I like to dance around and have the beer and the drinking on a punk dog in your face rock and roll.
[SPEAKER_06]: But then I want to be able to sing a song that I wrote from my heart.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you're...
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, I did go check out a couple of your live performance videos from your coach interview the other day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I was like, I'm not awesome.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're so great there.
[SPEAKER_06]: When I, I just did, I just went to see them in November.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right when the Cedar had kicked in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, dude.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I can't even watch those videos.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It just was not good.
[SPEAKER_06]: I felt so bad.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, but your your songs are very kind of like half like a.
[SPEAKER_06]: a theme of life and the hardships of life and but they're beautiful and love and, you know, the hope and I'm getting this right and doing a terrible job.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're doing a perfect good.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's exactly what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, and it's tough because there's not a lot of material out there for people to like.
[SPEAKER_02]: Digest or they really haven't got the experience a lot of it live yet, but that's what it all is man I mean it's from life.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's from living life.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's from actual things and then some of it's you know How it is you pick up the guitar in the morning and then sometimes it just friggin falls right into your lab So I think what a lot of those songs have come from is just
[SPEAKER_02]: Wake up at the morning and listening and picking up the guitar and just letting it flow through, you know, I love that.
[SPEAKER_06]: So you have a single you put a single A single solid grounds out right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I plan to just, you know, release them as a year goes and then, you know, Christmas time will do a vinyl for release, you know, just
[SPEAKER_05]: that's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Put it in your stockings, you know, and that way just put for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just gives it a whole year of, you know, just staying in the consciousness of the people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, it's tough to do it these days.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, I'm trying to put out a vinyl on Christmas team.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe we do it.
[SPEAKER_06]: We do it to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, there we do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here I agree.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, my gosh, it was stupid.
[SPEAKER_06]: We can do a little package.
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, yeah, buy one, get one for the regular price.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead and buy your tickets now, ladies and gentlemen and Breakbackwell.com.
[SPEAKER_06]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, let's make that happen to vinyl release.
[SPEAKER_06]: That would be so cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: That would be exciting.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, but you are going to play a saw.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, wait, before I do that, is there a reason, because you put it on Apple Music and YouTube, a bright, is there a reason that you're doing it that way?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not being anything kind of political or anything other than just, like, I want control of what I want to do when I want to do it, and I don't want to have to wait on somebody tell me when to do it?
[SPEAKER_02]: I love this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm just going to do what I do, because I mean,
[SPEAKER_02]: I've done it's done what I do so far and it's done just fine.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's worked just fine.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love that and where are you recording?
[SPEAKER_06]: Is it a full, it's a full-length record?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I'm out in, I don't know, buddy, Jonas Wilson's out at Bastrop.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's got a great little home studio out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, it's not a home studio.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a full-functioning, full-fledged studio.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he played for the Heartless Bastards.
[SPEAKER_06]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he played with Alejandro excavator and he's an amazing producer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've known him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was one of my first friends that I met in Austin.
[SPEAKER_02]: His band Lomita used to practice right across the hall from Goslan at the music lab.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's another thing that I want to get out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: If somebody wants to do something.
[SPEAKER_02]: making big metal barn put a bunch of rooms in there and you know help musicians have a practice space out there because that's honestly what really created a community for us in Austin was being able to practice all of the same place and see each other here each other hang out with each other in a non-bar setting it was just like right here we're all working together you know and now that Austin doesn't have that I feel like there's a loss for artists to not have a
[SPEAKER_02]: to come together on and that's what we had and that's how I'm at Jonas and now he's been my lifelong friend of producer and he plays in my band he plays in the minute I stroll with me so that's so exciting yeah we did just go rehearse at space for the first oh that's a great for something but it definitely doesn't have the same I'm not the musical album and people are out there drinking and everything but at the same time it was
[SPEAKER_02]: There was just no judgment.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just like all of us, dude, there was a Ray gay band over here, a thrash metal band right here, then there would be like some symphony practice and up above you, but God, I mean how wonderful to be fully immersed in everybody's full expressions, you know.
[SPEAKER_06]: So when you're vinyl and my vinyl go, then sell all the things.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe we can put a new brothels for her so space.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because there are so many musicians down here.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should, I'm telling you, like some of these good old boys that are sitting out here on these properties, but some nice metal barns on it, you know, mics and money come out.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh my gosh, and actually, do you remember, I didn't have the best soundproofing either.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you have, like, a baby, a baby, a baby, no, you would have to turn up to compete.
[SPEAKER_06]: with the person and then they would turn up and then and then you walk out of your ears are ringing, but it was part of the charm.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's so exciting.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, so full-length record that is that's I'm so happy for you getting to do things the way you want to and how involved is he and producing as far as I know my producer she really kind of tears apart the songs with me rebuild them and really involved in that, but I need somebody like that, but I don't you don't
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think every artist needs a different thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think it's just figuring out where you're at because a lot of times it is teamwork, you know, and it is, unless you're wanting to just put out, you know, capture the raw energy of the acoustic version.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you definitely want to go in there and have somebody to play with and somebody to understand you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And luckily with him and I, we spent enough time together through life to, and he can't, you can't reproduce that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the same way with Thomas, you know, with the ghostland stuff, it's like, we've spent so much time together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ghostland is Thomas and Aaron.
[SPEAKER_02]: If one goes, it will never be again, so that's the kind of relationships I'm interested in getting into with my musical partners, and that's with Jonas.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can take him a song, I'm a real hook guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of times I hear the hook first.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's always my first thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I make trot lines.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't make hook after hook, after hook, after hook,
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, but I hear that first, and then a lot of times I have to put the story around it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll bring the melody and after that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I will write out a full, like, you know, verse chorus, verse chorus, bridge chorus out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'll take it to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my, here is this, decorate it.
[SPEAKER_06]: love that you know and then he embroidered this amazing like that date will take your songs to hold another stratosphere I'm so excited to hear that because just finding great producers in our area that I have never worked with you know our studios that I have haven't worked with like that that's really exciting we to shine the light that's a lot of what this podcast does is shine lights on great studios and great producers and so I'm glad we're giving him some love honestly that's what I think I'm
[SPEAKER_02]: At this point is to kind of continue to shine light on each other, you know, not making it a competitive atmosphere atmosphere as much as just like an uplifting thing because once you do that, it's like, dude, our community just becomes way awesome and then opportunity is open up for everybody.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, 100% and it's it's just been it's well, not to not to insert my self here.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is absolutely not me inserting myself But police and just purchased a synthesizer, which we have in our house So now I'm like, oh man, but the first thing I wouldn't play was didn't Like oh my gosh, but it's the what a crazy instrument
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, let me to many people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those are like honestly Thomas Turner working with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that dude, you know, synthesizer folks are different creatures all in all in their own person.
[SPEAKER_02]: And very amazing crazy minds that can really create just huge.
[SPEAKER_02]: huge sound structures with those things, and man, you know, I can't take note for anything of synthesizer world, you know, got more of the rock guy that came from that, like Thomas was all synthesized.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right, which is why you guys were a perfect blend.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was.
[SPEAKER_06]: Why it worked out the way it did.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's so exciting.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I want to make sure we are also shining a light on in that same vein of our friends at the Saxon Pub because, oh yeah, you're going to
[SPEAKER_02]: yes when like we're doing so we're doing like like pretty much like May through August we're going to be doing every first Saturday of the month.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so I'm going to be working with me and Adam.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the band me and Adam.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think we're going to be doing this, uh, I think I know we're going to be doing a show called me Adam and Aaron.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what it is is basically, you know, we will, you know, they'll, they'll be my backing band.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: For half the set.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they'll get the play half of their set.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll just, every Saturday, you know, first Saturday of the month.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope I have one of those.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fun, dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really, we did a song swap.
[SPEAKER_02]: Adam and I did last time we were there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And,
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I just enjoy that venue, and to me, like, if I'm looking for any spot that makes me feel like I'm an Austin again, that's one of the spots I'm going to stop at.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just am so happy that Saxon and Broken Spoke are, I think they're like, Grandfather and Austin thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank God.
[SPEAKER_06]: And Continental, they're preserved forever somehow, but I agree that would have been really tragic to lose those.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't.
[SPEAKER_02]: And because honestly, what was Craig's angueros,
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's like it's like I had a real Austin moment like not too long ago like I was I was at the Saxon right I ran into all these people haven't seen in like 15 years Like that are old Austin folks that I used to see every all the time and then I go down to where I was watching my friend's band play there And then I'm walking in and then Brett Daniel comes walking around the corner.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is this is this is what I remember, you know
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I went to Saxon Pub one time when I was in college and I walked in and it was Robert O'Keean and Bonnie Bishop.
[SPEAKER_06]: What the heck man?
[SPEAKER_06]: You just never know.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I love their family there to me and they've always been good to me in my career.
[SPEAKER_06]: So thank you Saxon Pub for being amazing.
[SPEAKER_06]: And also April 4th in your hometown.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sansa but Texas.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm from New Mexico, so I was like Senseaba, but it's not.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's Sansa.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Sansa.
[SPEAKER_06]: And Picon land.
[SPEAKER_02]: Con capital of the world.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I'm so my family, Picon farms sense, but in down in southern New Mexico.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I'm like, okay, okay, okay, Picon capital of the world, okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: But no, I'm just kidding.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to be known for something.
[SPEAKER_06]: One time, there's a little tire shop there and I'm in to look it up.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe yeah, I like they opened on a Sunday to help me with the trailer tire one time I just loved them so much.
[SPEAKER_06]: Every time I think of there I think of Wait the brutal ladies not that that's Eden never mind.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm confused.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well now there's good tacos Okay, we're with like honey tacos.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you got to go.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think I heard of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you probably have cuz did you play do you play out of digs
[SPEAKER_06]: Did you ever play a sense of it?
[SPEAKER_06]: I've never.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you're playing there April 4th.
[SPEAKER_02]: April 4th, Pekon, bottom festival.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, so I'm still off at this point in my life.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think.
[SPEAKER_06]: But my boyfriend's band's playing with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we've got wilder blue playing out there.
[SPEAKER_06]: And Wade Bowen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wade Bowen's playing out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Weary boys are playing out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yours truly?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yours truly.
[SPEAKER_02]: With the back in band.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so I'm happy about that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Is it the wilder blue?
[SPEAKER_06]: I got me no money for backing my hand Like we're moving on up in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, look at me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I got enough money for backing my hand
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, yeah, all their all my backing bands checked clear this morning and mine mine haven't yet That's always fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go.
[SPEAKER_06]: No worries.
[SPEAKER_06]: They get paid on time, but they do a great job But it is having a band nowadays is just not as easy as it used to be but I
[SPEAKER_06]: I feel like I've been doing it wrong my whole life because now most of my guys have other jobs and they they're just happy To have five shows a month instead of I used to guarantee my band 12 shows a month back in the day We used to play like that's a minor mincing dude
[SPEAKER_06]: I know, but we were, we had no problem getting that many shows, but now it's like, hey, are you guys happy with eight?
[SPEAKER_06]: They're like totally, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I work at Apple.
[SPEAKER_06]: Why do I care about it?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a dire straight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that was, uh, he's got a day time job.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's doing all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's, that's what we talked about.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the dude right there.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's a good impression there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a dire straight Steve.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I love it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Are we like, did we run over?
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, God.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just don't want to make sure we were because I saw him.
[SPEAKER_06]: I saw your buddy drive a little coatway and his coatway.
[SPEAKER_06]: And his van.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm assuming that's him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Straight from Turlingua, man.
[SPEAKER_06]: Just right from Turlingua.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, I am just so excited that you were here with us and that your records coming out is there anything else we need to know about this upcoming record about you at this point in your life and
[SPEAKER_06]: And all the cool things that you're doing, I just am so excited for your new project and getting to hear the new stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that your message for what it means, it feels like the music that the world needs right now.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so I just want to tell you, friend, a friend, I'm proud of you for creating that type of music because it's an important thing right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, I really appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, that's what this project is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just,
[SPEAKER_02]: Me being able to tap into those emotions and convey them in a way that I normally don't get to convey them, you know You don't have to jump up and down.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have I don't have I can just sit on the bar stool and you don't have to wear a braid No, but you can I can't fall on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't have to that's nice.
[SPEAKER_06]: That is nice.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, yeah You don't have to wear eyelashes.
[SPEAKER_06]: You should be thankful for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm thankful.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm thankful But having dance daughters daughters that dance competitively like I know all about those all the time I'd find them on my boots
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're in the shower, yeah, it's a whole different thing being, but it's also expensive.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_06]: Having daughters in dance.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we need that final to come out and you need to pre-order it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I'm going to use vehicle out there right now because it is expensive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Join the club.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm driving my boyfriend's car.
[SPEAKER_06]: So that's how I save money.
[SPEAKER_06]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, I mean, yeah, no, Erinbearance.com, perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can follow me to Erinbearance on Instagram, but the one thing I want people to know is just, I'm just going to keep on keeping on.
[SPEAKER_02]: So keep your ear out.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be around.
[SPEAKER_02]: Call me if you need me.
[SPEAKER_06]: What are we going to do now?
[SPEAKER_06]: We have to do this forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is what we do.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you've already bought the ticket.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're in the middle of the ride right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: I hope we're in the middle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because I say buckle.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because I'm like, who's it?
[SPEAKER_06]: It's about to go back.
[SPEAKER_06]: My retirement account is still pretty empty at this point of my life.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I gotta keep going.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you always got to keep going.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you would get bored if you didn't.
[SPEAKER_06]: and I'm proud of you for keeping going and we can't wait to catch your solo shows and I'm going to come to that Saxon pub but please go support the Saxon pub because they you know support Aaron of course but just that then you In general and the new venue that you wanted to shout out real quick and Bertram because I didn't hear I don't know about this the standard
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the standard, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's owned by the same people that are on the globe theater.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a wonderful restaurant down in Berlin, Texas, stop by, say hello.
[SPEAKER_06]: Say hello, that's an amazing little gem of a place too.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, thanks for driving out to my RV today.
[SPEAKER_06]: I didn't bring my dog.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, you're friends, but I didn't know if sometimes people are like, I'm very much, I'm not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a dog myself.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a dog myself.
[SPEAKER_06]: I knew that about you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thanks, friend.
[SPEAKER_06]: I appreciate it so much.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thanks, Kyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I tried to bow and do so, but I don't keep your head up and swim towards our little ground I know, I know, I know these times are hard Don't lose your faith Follow all your stars