[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Lorhounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not sure we should be your guides to Anthrocon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, John.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm curious what your for Sona is.
[SPEAKER_01]: People tell me I would make a good dragon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can see that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can see that But I go the opposite direction.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm John.
[SPEAKER_01]: I I do know New D yoga Like Dr. Abbott right and you David.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm David and I've been stockpiling toner since 1988 You've got a monopoly go.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got a corner on the market.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know as Jen Xures, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm like what am I going to do with all this toner?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't store it in my basement until the the apocalypse comes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh gosh
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is our coverage of the pit episode nine of season two titled 3 p.m.
[SPEAKER_02]: Indeed it is, and you can get in touch with us by sending us email to ptmcatthalorehounds.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our networks are still up as of this moment, so you know, get your, I have to find a fax machine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to owner, but I got to fax machine, so.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're actually going to be recording over telegram.
[SPEAKER_02]: to do do do do do as always there are links in the show notes for all of our things like our discord community discord server all of the other affiliates and other shows that are in the lower-hounds community and also the notion-based show guide where we're keeping track of all the characters and patients and such like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that patient list is a little bit out
[SPEAKER_02]: sorts this week however the characters are up to date Nancy hand of the pod has jumped in and is keeping that updated and that is a really helpful thing so if you're wondering like who's that person that just walked by or said that thing it's really great on a mobile as like a second screen and you can sort of scroll through the characters and so there's a link for that in the show notes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: well we've got a lot going on here on the more hands you did a midseason check in with Ian and John that is right and that is out in the feed as we speak and that's Ian from the captain's pod in john from the dune minute podcast a couple of our allied podcasts and in separate occasions i was talking to Ian and john and each of them were like oh the bit
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, okay, well, you know, I can't not have you not talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we got together and had just a chat about where we are in the season and how this show is just like it touches your life in so many different ways or something relevant things.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it was really a cool conversation and I would definitely check it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you just kind of want to, you know, get a different perspective on it rather than just
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't need any other perspectives, but if you want them, yes, if you want them, they're there for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Should we run our contest that you've instituted?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the contest, so I kind of ran already ran the contest and I gave you that audio clip and like I think if you let, I don't know that you've heard it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you play it, tell me what you think because this is who I think the winner is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay, I thought this was the compilation.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was, I was, I was, no, no, no, no, no, no, yes, this is the winner, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but I don't want these baby Jane Does to go away.
[SPEAKER_01]: So can we play each one on another episode?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I can gather up the rest of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're actually on the drive in the shared drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a folder.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get it set up for next week and people should continue to say that we couldn't run this all like if you want to not Jessica off the hill and you want to try to take her her spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should write in or you should just send in your clip just because it's fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just fun to say baby Jane Dow.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess Jessica's the winner then she'll be so far she is here Jessica's and she's she's she's king of the hill right now right so you know somebody else can knock her off by the end of the season you know then you know all come here welcome I'm here for but for now all hell Jessica let's go baby Jane Dow pretty good I need I need a second yeah baby Jane Dow
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, good.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first one cleanses the palate.
[SPEAKER_01]: The second one you really get the notes of the wine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very nice Jessica.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, of course, always welcoming new entries because this is a very silly competition.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we'll be wonderful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess we should say we're a little later than we normally record this week just because of life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's the way it goes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we're here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is something else kind of weird to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: John, I don't know where else to talk about.
[SPEAKER_02]: I suppose we could talk about it on second breakfast when we record that next subscriber exclusive podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: But discord told us that just the other day was our four year anniversary.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're in a healthier relationship than Garcia and Santos and there's no HR, we're on the same power level here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's no problematics to our relationship.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen a lot of debates about that because because she's not on the same reporting line, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like she's in a totally different unit.
[SPEAKER_01]: but she is definitely like, you know, she can affect the trajectory of her career.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can probably help her get a fellowship in surgery.
[SPEAKER_01]: If she wants to.
[SPEAKER_01]: And surgery was her other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't that, wouldn't that, Tantos' other, I think she wanted to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's going to be a hot shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's a hot shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think that's what we can definitely talk about that, because I have some thoughts.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're doing something with Santos around pediatrics, so I think we should dive into that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what are your microwave-to-takes?
[SPEAKER_01]: Microwave, that sounds like they were hot at one point, and now I- Oh, they've cooled off.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now they're just never going to be as good as they once were.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unless it was a hot pocket.
[SPEAKER_01]: unless it was a hot pocket.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to say that's the quality of our podcast now.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've really gone down hill.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be molten hot until the universe screen till the heat death of the universe itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I'm not a connoisseur of hot pockets anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was as a kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't we have a second breakfast about that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do we do?
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe we did, but I think that they got rid of the crisper sleeve on some of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And people were big mad.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were like, what's the point of the hot pocket without the crisper sleeve?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're really off track here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_02]: You come come come to come for the medical drama stay for the hot pockets.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's your taste of second breakfast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so yeah, I mean, I thought it was, I thought it was a really fun episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Poor Giovanni, I will say, I don't think it was really, you know, a hundred percent her fault, but she definitely is the fall person.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love Whitaker.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he is very empathetic and he is a rising star in this cast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I continue to think they're not doing enough with Mel, but I think that she's going to have a big role in the second episode of season.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm looking forward to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's an interesting thing about this big cast kind of show because your budget is also depends on how many minutes of screen time do these different actors get and at what rate they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a whole crazy calculus that goes into not only the construction of the story, but then who's billing what for screen time?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's weird like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and obviously Robby has some darkness brewing here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am very worried about his trajectory.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if I don't come back, it'll be a sweet bachelor bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even with it, Chris, like, huh?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good thing to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Guys, I think Dad's in trouble.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the way he brushes off Abbott too is pretty scary.
[SPEAKER_01]: Other than that, I'm sure I'm forgetting something, because now it's been a couple days, but I'm excited to dive in to details.
[SPEAKER_01]: How about you?
[SPEAKER_02]: I am like, where the hell WTF is the hospital administration?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why are people from the upper floors down there pulling staff and helping them resource this thing?
[SPEAKER_02]: They're having to scound on their own.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm really mad at hospital administration.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they asked one question is Rob is still working.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're not going anywhere near that too much to much smoke for us for.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I don't think he wants them there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he'd be like, you fucking it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: You were, but he should be, you know, like, hey, here's two extra staff members from this floor, and here's a staff member from this department, you're now a runner, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they could be like,
[SPEAKER_02]: directing the resources to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my point is there's again a misallocation of resources relative to the needs of the various departments and administration should be helping them run their logistics not you know anyway but instead we just have Monica who suffers no fools now at all go do something that you know how to do a lot of love that was perfect
[SPEAKER_02]: I continue to be impressed by the camera work that goes on here, the blocking and the staging.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was this great moment where they rack focus from Jude across to Nurse Jessie, who's in the room with Brooke McCord, and the woman with the eye stroke thing going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we just, the way that they can transport is across the department.
[SPEAKER_02]: with just these little camera moves or we were following somebody and then we pick up somebody else we followed through it just incredible, incredible amount of work and creativity on the spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's really fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hit me three times pretty hard, this like hit me emotionally.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like right, pressing my emotional buttons with Roxy because I think we're definitely heading towards a death with dignity kind of thing there with Howard and a sister and his sort of his life chances and then with Amaya, the woman with polycystic
[SPEAKER_02]: Syndra is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Syndra?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it a medical stuff down here?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, PCOS.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Pico's is what a lot of people say.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Syndra.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is Syndra.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, when she gives me K that look like, oh damn, you like, didn't me a solid here.
[SPEAKER_02]: You like, you've been after me in a way that
[SPEAKER_02]: people have it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, oh, come on, man, like you're making me cry or like, this is, it's just hitting me, but then it knows how to live in the humor.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so every time somebody would walk by the furry costume, they kind of do it like, huh?
[SPEAKER_02]: But then care keep moving on, like nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you see all kinds of stuff in this emergency department,
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though it's attracting your attention, but like you still move on and so just that whole like subplot thing was just just the right amount of layering of of funny to balance out the tugging of the heartstrings with a whole bunch of other stories so just continue to be impressed by how well they are able to balance all of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a little moments like what's that guy who's been there all day, who got the shower early on?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, digby?
[SPEAKER_01]: Digby?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Digby, go in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you guys some room.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll get myself out of the, like, I don't know, him, him buttoned in this very serious situation and just like, they did not need his help, you know, like your business buddy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they come back to him and he's like, good job, team.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, anybody who's like trying to like put in when medical professionals are doing their job, but like in a nice way you're almost like
[SPEAKER_01]: child sit down, you know, just like if you have medical training and you want to help, that's one thing and often they won't help because you know, they don't want to get in the team's way, but it's just funny, you know, he's like, I'm just here for moral support.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's just again really, really well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was thinking about this, we were talking about a little bit in the
[SPEAKER_02]: that I felt like season one was throwing a lot more emotional jabs and hooks and like really constantly throwing a lot of emotionally-weighted content at us.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this one they're not doing it as much.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a lot more even killed, and I think that's a more sustainable burn rate for the show, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: If this was a really saccharine suite and they were really really loading us with a lot of I'm mixing my metaphors all over the place here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, if they were just really loading the emotional content, I think it would get hard to watch after a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would be a little soapy and dramatic.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is just that they're trying to find a balance point.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think they're zeroing in on it and I think it'll be really interesting to see when we hit season three, how well that they've dialed in all of these fine-tuning controls for delivering heartfelt story, but not overloading us at the same time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're just doing it more like in cycles in the season right instead of I mean based on the end of this episode It could be that we have a big disaster coming, but it's probably that's just a few people right not not like a huge thing who knows who knows We're gonna have a were you I was a little bit like oh, that's a little weird a water slide disaster like they've got to give us one disaster thing for the season Yeah, but I'm glad it wasn't like there were hundreds of people on the right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: or yet again something as high drama as the pit test shooting or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Turns out, Jake and his new girlfriend were at the water park.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although a weaker show would do that, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, guys living in final destination.
[SPEAKER_02]: terrible, terrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were a couple of leftover things from episode 8.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was so much in our outline from last week that I didn't want to let these fall.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's this question of I had in the notes, the duality of Dana.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it just this how she could go from being calm, cool,
[SPEAKER_02]: Just absolutely losing her shit just about justifiably so when she finds that rape kit that hadn't been collected right and or when a staff member or when a patient threatens you know a staff member yeah, and You know we all love Dana and we all depend on her and she's the rock that we We depend on but men do not get her on your bad side otherwise there's gonna be help to pay
[SPEAKER_02]: and do not forget to pick up those rape kits because that is a major issue all across the country like there's actually a big problem with backlogs and kids not being properly managed for and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I mentioned on the process that we talked about how like there's been a lot of legislation to try to address this but obviously not everywhere and not universally.
[SPEAKER_01]: And
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, legislation also has to be enacted, like, implemented, the police have to go and follow the law and all that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dana does not, you know, get you get you don't get on Dana's bad side without calls.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you got to really, you got to really mess up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, notice she doesn't, she's not one of the people piloting on to Javadi.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's not one of the people who's just like, you made a mistake and honest mistake.
[SPEAKER_01]: and bad things happen, but we're going to fix it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where as the other people are like, Nepo, baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get to talk about Garcia in a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other thing that I really wanted to make sure that we touched on that completely missed last week was the conversation between Dr. King and Dr. Ellis.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, mellis.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not shipping them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So don't worry.
[SPEAKER_02]: That for a lot of neurodivergent folks breaking the rules is like a really deeply uncomfortable thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: or breaking the rules or bending, you know, like there's a, and it actually has some distinctions like so we can talk about it that there's something called justice sensitivity and pattern violation stress, which leads to disregulation.
[SPEAKER_02]: and that for some neurodivergent people the clear and consistent rules are how they make sense of the world and they really depend on those rules being in place and being followed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when the rules are inconsistently applied or there is some challenge to them,
[SPEAKER_02]: It can read for their nervous system.
[SPEAKER_02]: It can read like a threat, not just like a minor annoyance that somebody else might experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: In contrast, they have Dr. Ellis who's mad that the patients are trying to bend the system and punish the doctors for what they did.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so when we look at this question of just the sensitivity and I doubt that the writers necessarily had this in mind, but more power to them if they did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, actually intentionally put this issue here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mel is a being affected by, hey, we're not supposed to talk about the case.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a violation of the rules.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Dr. Ellis is like, this is a violation of some social justice stuff here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to call this bullshit out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to say what I have to say because my sense of justice is being violated here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we as doctors were trying to save a patient's life and not
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, follow a bunch of cook science stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just thought it was really interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: The contrast between male, Dr. King and Dr. Ellis, and how they're both approaching and dealing with this same situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when we have a neurodivergent character and a black woman character, both questioning things around justice and rules and organization and how things are.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's just a fascinating little facet
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, it's tough, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to keep people from seeking justice, but for the list, for the list, loss, who to do happen, and it has not just to the liability for doctors, but costs for patients too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's an important part of,
[SPEAKER_02]: This our regulation of system that there would be some kind of redress because there is malpractice.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is medical malpractice.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is making the coffee in the fast food records.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we need ways of doing that, but then at the same time, you know, there's And that's what part of the legal system is, right, to adjudicate those things.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But questions of just what is justice and who's justice is like we really have to stay present to these things and try to understand how people are affected by these things and be present to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll see how Mel's deposition goes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we will.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's, you know, she, make sure to take her 15 minute break beforehand and that one really well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: As things generally go in the emergency department, we did get a couple of pieces of feedback, but maybe we'll take a quick break.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sounds good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we'll read those.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see you then.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we are back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we've got a couple pieces of feedback again, ptmc at thelowerhounds.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got an email from Erin, who is one of the hosts of the radioactive ramblers and John, you, and Erin, and who's your third Richard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Richard, thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: have a new project in the works.
[SPEAKER_02]: We do.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's an interesting crossover between this show and what you're about to cover, but you want to give a quick plug while we're here anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're in June.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be starting Cosmere Corner, which is a big read-along.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a five-year read-along of all the works of Brandon Sanderson related to the Cosmere.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you've heard that those shows are coming to Apple TV, you will
[SPEAKER_02]: be seeing a stormlight archive show and before that miss board movies so we want to get everybody read up on everything just like we do with the second age with the lower house nice going back to the roots yeah and it's going to be video it's very exciting oh wow scary many anyway it is it is genuinely scary I just have a cool well Aaron wrote in and so anyway we have a email from Aaron and then we have an email from our chief medical correspondent
[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah Z.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she wrote in a very long email with a lot of great information.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll tackle both of these.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just was thinking about, do you remember Marta?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our chief Italian correspondent.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were covering a force of the white lotus.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there was another medical professional.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that we had was she a maternity related to and she was in Ireland.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was that nurse.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just thinking back to all of
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let me get these resident correspondence during a different season.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's just awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was just like, oh, I missed Marta.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish we were having something to do with the telly and culture that we could talk to very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, just a fun remembrance.
[SPEAKER_02]: But here's email from Erin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, Laura, how's been loving the new season of the pit?
[SPEAKER_02]: In coverage, I was listening to the conversation on how Gen Z's relationship to substances is different from other generations and thought I'd throw my two cents in as part of that generation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, first off, Erin, I don't think you have two cents to throw to us anymore because they've stopped making the penny.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know that you'll ever have to count pennies when you're closing out the till at the end of the night at the coffee shop or anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: That said, Erin continues.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's absolutely less drinking with Gen Z.
[SPEAKER_02]: and there's is certainly a large contingent of people who just don't drink at all for any number of economic and or social factors.
[SPEAKER_02]: But another aspect of that is the legalization of marijuana in a lot of places, which is overtaken alcohol and popularity among Gen Z, with roughly 60 to 70 percent of 18 to 24-year-old reporting that they prefer it.
[SPEAKER_02]: as for the nicotine question.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's extremely prevalent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Big tobacco may have lost the millennials at large, but hope the Gen Z's with vaping.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, we were the only generation who was safe for some reason, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The millennials.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Minimum whom started as kids and have transition into heavy smokers as young adults.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is by no means a judgment of anyone's habits, just to thought, just thought the conversation in generational differences is pretty interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's Aaron Kay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thoughts, additional thoughts about that?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've heard this plenty of times.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, we haven't talked about how Nancy writes a lot of our second breakfast post and things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was she like unaware of the term
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never encountered this before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I've, like, in an academic setting heard us refer to as Gen Y, but I've never, but like, millennial has been the prevailing generational term for like 15 years now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it maybe it relates to the remoteless of the remoteness of or living location.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I, you know, maybe this, maybe I'm maybe I'm maybe able to Canada.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do have four meals in Canada, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: The head hipsters, they definitely had hipsters, so we'll have to find out more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe just miss her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, would you mind starting off Sarah Z's email?
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, because it's very I think we're going to have to break it up because it is she unloads a lot of she unpacks a lot of information for us So sure and Sarah's he thank you that thank you for taking the time to write in such a wonderful email.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agreed All right, Sarah says And she's our chief medical correspondent Hello John and David.
[SPEAKER_01]: I decided to email you this time because I'm bad at discord.
[SPEAKER_01]: I heard my name.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the bat signal
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this last week you guys asked about training for electronic medical records, not working, and honestly it's not all that much different than their training in the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's terrifying.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a rubber made like tote with all the paper we need to chart and some resource guides and we rely on the people that have actually done paper charting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm dating myself, but I'm one of those people.
[SPEAKER_01]: We actually do still have a fax machine and currently use it to request blood from the blood bank.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't ask me why.
[SPEAKER_01]: The most training you get is when there are scheduled down times, when they are updating something in the system, which nine times out of ten screws, somebody else up.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are usually scheduled for the middle of the night and last one to four hours and honestly most of us try to chart as much as possible before down time and then back chart when the system comes back up.
[SPEAKER_01]: This will be held for the pit when they get their computers back because for this record
[SPEAKER_01]: will have to be entered into the electronic medical record by hand.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: During downtime, we do have access to a read-only version of the chart.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if they took everything offline, you wouldn't have that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, it would suck and probably be chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where's the rubber made tote?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who moved the rubber made tote?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, like you screwed.
[SPEAKER_02]: If somebody goes and monkeys with the storage room, it's all over.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's all over.
[SPEAKER_01]: As far as, just an electrical outage, most hospitals have generators that automatically kick in after a few seconds.
[SPEAKER_01]: They test these monthly to make sure they work properly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything, life saving gets plugged into red outlets that are powered by the generators, think ventilators, operating room equipment.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the other question you asked about was midline catheters.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want me to read this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You go cathars.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a big catheter fan.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can cover the IT stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there are several types of lines we can put in new to gain IV access for meds and fluids.
[SPEAKER_02]: Most common would be peripheral IV.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are short ones to two inches.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get placed in the veins of your hand wrist forearm inside your elbow, etc.
[SPEAKER_02]: They come in various gauges, I'm not I'm I'm I'm surfacing over some of the details John to thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, to save your your precious constitution.
[SPEAKER_02]: Typically EMS or the emergency department will put in a larger gauge because you can run fluid.
[SPEAKER_02]: at a higher rate, and because it's peripheral, there are certain caustic meds that can't be run through this line.
[SPEAKER_02]: These lines typically last one to four days, and they're put in by EMS or nurse.
[SPEAKER_02]: Midline catheter, this is still considered a peripheral IV, comes in different sizes, usually placed with an ultrasound and into one of the two larger veins inside your elbow.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is threaded into the vein so that the tip of the line terminates around the armpit area.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, because it's peripheral, certain meds can't run through it, and this line can last one to four weeks, and it's got to be inserted by especially trained nurse.
[SPEAKER_02]: A pixeline, peripherally inserted central catheter, is a line usually inserted into one of the two large veins on the inside of your elbow and threaded
[SPEAKER_02]: up to the superior Vena Kava, just above the right each room of the heart.
[SPEAKER_02]: These lines are long, and they, I'm skipping up on just stuff and they're placed by ultrasound guidance or fluoroscopms.
[SPEAKER_02]: First, I can now I've crashed my mouth through some very cool medical terminology stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are central lines.
[SPEAKER_02]: They sit in a large vessel so you can run caustic meds through them, and you can draw a blood for lab work.
[SPEAKER_02]: These lines usually have two to three,
[SPEAKER_02]: lumens inside them and can stay in for months and patients can go home with them often use for long-term antibiotic administration and they can be placed by especially trained nurse or by an M.D.
[SPEAKER_02]: Florescopy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Florescopy is that what the, maybe with the little cameras.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it sounds like you're putting the light somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We just put it certain places.
[SPEAKER_02]: Such aligns, these are large lines inserted into large vessels.
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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... for juggler or sub-clavian and inferior venecaba double-level diagram for femoral these lines typically have multiple lumens inside uh... all in one so maybe it's like more maybe there's multiple tubes inside the tube is what i'm understanding
[SPEAKER_02]: You can put a caustic meds through these because they are in such large vessels, draw a blood from them to stay in the lab and they can stay two to four weeks And are placed in ICU patients because the ability to give more meds through them and they have to be inserted by a trained physician and NPRPA and There are even more sub categories to these things.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... let's see here do we want to talk about this bone marrow saw thing uh... i i don't know nah right i'm kind of off there i'm kind of off there you blame me yeah she did say that we had permission to edit her on this so it's okay i realized this is a really long explanation feel for here it is feel free to not use it as much as you want if you have any questions on the latest episode feel free to email back or call me out on the podcast thanks for the coverage
[SPEAKER_02]: and all that you guys do is such a great job and such a great community.
[SPEAKER_02]: Chief medical correspondent, nerdy nurse Sarah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, nerdy nurse Sarah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, I'm squamous.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was really, really interesting, though, and I actually learned a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I learned a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: perhaps too much a certain point again there there's reasons I didn't even think about pursuing medicine like there was never there was never a time that I in my life was like I might go into the medical field I just knew I knew from a very young kid like I can't I can't handle can do that
[SPEAKER_02]: I've done a lot of first aid.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did had a first responder certification at one time.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was never, yeah, really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it takes a lot of training and a lot of practice.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can learn skills in the classroom, but you really have to have a lot of guidance and mentorship, which means that bad stuff has to happen to people for you to use your skills.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of this weird paradox that law enforcement CMS does happen to people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like it's not happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you're like, oh, I want to, you know, try out my new, uh, high-endble repelling, you know, rescue and use the slag.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that means a car has got to go over a cliff, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to do that, so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of a weird day.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, my, my father was an EMT for many years.
[SPEAKER_01]: So was he?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know, cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, all right, so should we talk about, uh, who do we want to talk about?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying, you got Santos first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, uh, yeah, she's, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: She's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we shouldn't get, we shouldn't get that child services involved.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Santos, I think Robby has a point there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You were pretty quick to try to call them in when you had no facts earlier.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're really setting her up to be time for a P's residency for Dr. Santos.
[SPEAKER_01]: She can say every person who comes into her office is going to get a welfare check
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm kidding.
[SPEAKER_01]: I look.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's been through it and it is good that she has a sense for this, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't seem like she was right in the season one situation and it's better for her to be right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, it's better for wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even want to say it's better for her to be wrong sometimes because it does if she is wrong that does like terrible that could potentially do a lot of family yeah it's it's she's got a she's got to calibrate a little bit yeah and and I and I would.
[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate that because as a young person, you want people who are eager and leaning into it to be able to learn, and that's why you have people who have experience and have been around like a robby to teach and balance and wisdom, and I just really get the sense
[SPEAKER_02]: highly say it's not she's not attuned to it but it's there right she she has an instant response to want to take care of young people yeah she does um and she wants to be taken care of I sure see yeah we'll get there in a second I just wanted to call out the one thing that when
[SPEAKER_02]: that he says, oh, like I don't want to see it when you take off the bandage, so she says, look at me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as they're doing that, she's Santos is, you know, the little bulb for a blood pressure cuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's, you know, the little squeezy thing, you know, to relate the blood pressure cuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's got that in one hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: He reaches out with his hand grabs her hand that has that bulb in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: she drops the bulb so she stops doing the medical procedure that she is supposed to do and she takes his hand and then you see there's this little juggling of them their hands getting into position to be able to hold them and she holds onto his hand affirmatively and I was just like oh man it's very gentle when she needs to be she it's just really and she tells
[SPEAKER_02]: she doesn't sugarcoat it, but she doesn't, you know, just not dooming it, but she's also not lying to him, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So she has respect for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a really, yeah, she her personal life may be in a different state, but the way that she relates to kids and in these circumstances, I just really appreciate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he going to be a concert pianist?
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK. All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I, you know, but it still do a lot of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not as appropriate fingers.
[SPEAKER_01]: The important ones are there.
[SPEAKER_01]: They said, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, did I ever tell you my grandpa's favorite story about how fireworks injured his friend as a kid in the 1940s?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you've told this story.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to bring it in now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's appropriate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he was, he was a little shit in Brooklyn in the 1940s.
[SPEAKER_01]: put a lit firecracker in his back pocket.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said it's got a really long fuse and he in his friends back pocket.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, his friend put it in his own pocket.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ray Ray, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he climbed a telephone pole to try to get high with it and it went off in his butt pocket and he lost a large chunk of his buttocks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: and so don't do that don't do that let's don't don't mess around with fireworks and the who knows what they had in the 1940s in Brooklyn right and you know the other thing that you shouldn't do
[SPEAKER_02]: And inappropriate relationships in the workplace.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the other thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should not be doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mentioned earlier, there is the beat over because it's not in the chain of command.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it unethical?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, look, it's probably like a frowned upon but not strictly disallowed relationship because they're not in the same chain of command.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think HR is going to get involved in this one unless there's a hostile workplace.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, oh, there could be a hostile workplace at one point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and this is where Garcia should be as the older, more experienced person in the relationship.
[SPEAKER_02]: she should be Garcia in this episode does two things pretty hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: One, like, you know, is whatever, oh, I made other plans, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, you're in a relationship with somebody, probably shouldn't be, and then be you juke them a little bit, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, oh, we're keeping a camera.
[SPEAKER_01]: But do we know that this is a relationship or is this something where
[SPEAKER_01]: Santos would like it to be a relationship in García.
[SPEAKER_02]: New yearly Santos has more FIA and Garcia should be the one here in the position of going, this isn't healthy for you, this is, you know, we should cut this off now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's keep her professional.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you know, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is a problem though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is a Garcia problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Garcia's on is is is she's rough rough in tumble, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so surgeons are such this way,
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, standing in the elevator door there, she goes away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Keep it casual, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, oh, that's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a big yikes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Yucky.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about Mill Becca and Langdon.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had to claim some internet points because I did call out that I thought Becca was going to end up in the emergency room.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, indeed.
[SPEAKER_01]: You did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Congratulations.
[SPEAKER_01]: What will you be spending them on?
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... i don't know probably five minutes of extra sleep tonight given that we sprung forward i don't know
[SPEAKER_02]: if it can I just yeah I want to reserve one of the the examination rooms in the back where I can just ball off the curtain for so I can get a power nap before our next podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have seen though in season one we saw Langley did being really good with neurodivergent and I think that we we see this now with Becca right he's he's like it is normal but we still have to fix it like yeah he needed he needed him to say that right this is not something crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was really glad to see the continuation of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's just treating her like a person, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, same that you would treat with any patient care, autonomy, respect, natural language, you know, working with the person confidently, addressing their concerns and their fears, being present to them, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like, that's a big part of care.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I also say Robby is a, I'm going to call Hippocrite alert on him who you shouldn't be caring for your sister.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't be, you can't be loved by the, I'm like, did I not watch you sacrifice like 10 other lives for your, for your, for your, not son's girlfriend, last season, yeah, did you not fail to call it on your former boss because he was your mentor like, dude, you are the last person to talk about keeping a level head around people you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do as I say, not as I do, is it was a very famous, yeah, it's the Robbie Montre.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just love, uh, I do love the, the Langdon Mel, you know, mutual fan club.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, back is just like, oh, I know who you are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So also Robbie is nosy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He keeps peeking in on everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was creeping outside the room there and given like a really hard stare at Langdon, the back of Langdon's head.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, bro, like, what is your problem?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's, it's simple.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be a urinary track infection, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what it sounded like.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I also love when originally Robbie goes to a sign back at San Tos.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Melgos, not in our two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Called out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, San Tos, that he would seem to take offense.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, all right, fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she was kind of just like, whatever, one last patient for my start.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's still freaked out about having to repeat a year, because she's not up on her charts, but it sounds like everybody does that, and has to do charting afterwards.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a very common thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I talked to my aunt, who's in her soul of times, she said, I'm saying, wait, I got a chart.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't build it into their shift, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, you go off.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not building until the shift you just don't pay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's bullshit.
[SPEAKER_02]: unpaid lipid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's bullshit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Straight up bullshit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And these are largely for proper corporate for proper corporations.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now they can go kick rocks for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's, that's wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Health, Gary America.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm offended.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of things, but it doesn't seem to be helping, so I'm trying to chill out a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Should we be offended that Princess had some insider information about, uh, uh, oh, naughty, naughty, naughty.
[SPEAKER_01]: How much for you to keep quiet?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a pearlet, all right, was it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think Princess had the inside information.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: A pearlet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: 40% dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a lot of money, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, honestly fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was it a thousand?
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, he said, your grand prize.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that like, was that like a wordplay?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, here's your friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't read it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that, but okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Ogle V redemption arc starts here.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it does not.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, there was nothing redeeming in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: He basically said, ah, I hate you the same way I hate my dad.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what he said.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fairly, he, he delivered good patient care.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't say anything inappropriate to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So are the standards for white men that low?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you don't, if you don't actively insult the patient, based on you're doing a good job.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I get one free hate pass for Joe and I'm using mine on Ogoley.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, fair enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think that they are going to start his redemption arc from here though.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, because we did see an insight into his life that there is some issue between him and his father.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then this patient reminded him a little bit of his father.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we got just like with joy that gives a little insight into her family history.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, that started her redemption arc.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I am just doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Joy didn't ever do anything wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was a total.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was like, am I here?
[SPEAKER_02]: What's going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she was just trying to figure it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's not a morning person.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joy never bothered me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I never hated Joy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It will be, uh, should kick rocks.
[SPEAKER_01]: All the rocks.
[SPEAKER_01]: All the rocks in the ER may you walk in front of Ogovies foot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's, let's, can we agree that Nick from Radiology doesn't have to kick any rocks?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_02]: Huh?
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's these cute.
[SPEAKER_02]: These cute radiologists.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: But did you watch the same episode as I did?
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess, though, I'm right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Pearl is, or sorry, Princess, certainly thinks he's in the age of her body, are both making Google eyes at him.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right, he was also accommodating when they had to chase him down to get the C.C.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that was actually the tech.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a juniority that was in him.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I can flated the two characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was clear.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dr. Nick is clearly over his head though because he's like, he didn't even think about the fact that they could just take the images off on a thumb drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so interesting Robby anti-AI Robby guy here.
[SPEAKER_02]: He knew all about the tech couldn't we just download these and look on them on a terminal and I was like, oh, yeah, that's pretty smart right there guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's that's quite not AI right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just a human using the tech.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, AI isn't really AI in the end, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: right it is it it really is just it like for G right yeah it's just the ending bullshit so yeah well uh yes well what i'm just gonna say i don't think Nick left his big of an impression on my heart as he did your okay i'm shipping you or it's a body
[SPEAKER_01]: chivaldi.
[SPEAKER_01]: Poor chivaldi.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I will say this is this is the best part of the scene is that Whittaker does not throw her into the bus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is Whittaker when when asked what happened, Whittaker says we did not put it on the chart.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did not have it on the chart and there was a delay.
[SPEAKER_01]: He, he, you know, that's something that, you know, I've learned about writing classes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You use passive language when you want to not assign blame to anybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a delay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he said.
[SPEAKER_01]: not Javadi messed it up, Javadi deleted it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they were signaling at least last episode of not the episode before that Javadi was having sort of trouble wrapping her brain around.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a too much time as Dr. J.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Secretary of State.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's just too many tick dogs and not enough time figuring out how the charting system works.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love the way that they're just like, it works like this, you guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: And everybody's like, huh?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you put the triple-kit form here and then you take a sticker and you put it there and then you leave the chart over here and you, you know, and the nurses are running zone and you're just like, what is going on?
[SPEAKER_02]: I totally have empathy for Javadi, but she's absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: But she didn't fuck up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did she, did she fuck up?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did that really negatively affect somebody's life?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what, that's the stakes of being a doctor, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that, like, like you're not that broadly, it wasn't malpractice, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's malpractice.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we have maldestifying, but I think it's going to be Javadi next.
[SPEAKER_01]: I,
[SPEAKER_01]: at the same time like that's also what malpractice insurance is for like yeah sometimes something is going to fall through the cracks problem yeah they're human being still yes as far as an an emergency situation like this
[SPEAKER_02]: right and then the sort of the chaos of it all.
[SPEAKER_02]: And but that's the stakes is that as an ED staff member, you have to show up every day on top of your game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can't let stuff like that throw you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you know that she's got to turn around and deliver the next next patient, she needs to deliver the best care she can for that next patient.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then one after
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I could work.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could never do this job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't think so either.
[SPEAKER_01]: God.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need some kind of like Evan flow at work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't just be like on on on on on on on all of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, um, Poor Javadi.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really do feel badly for her because like you say it's like it's a mistake.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody could have paid.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Garcia's comment to like, shout out, you know, to say NEPO baby, like I get it your upset, but I also think that that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was unfair.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a little toxic workplace kind of situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I'm like not really a Garcia fan at all, especially this episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's very cocky.
[SPEAKER_01]: Miss, I am the OR.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody who's not cocky is Dr. Mohan.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I went it too long.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tiktok, tiktok, let's go.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in an episode where we're threatening an ovary, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, very good point.
[SPEAKER_02]: and uh... and we're thinking about uh... doctor abit doing naked yoga like it's all a very confusing all very confusing i i we assume he's very all right uh... monica Peters i guess somebody called out the fact that she's wearing her her scrub her jacket thing is a very nineties coated like they somebody went and found uh... like uh... lab coat from the nineties
[SPEAKER_02]: And have her wearing that as a way to signify that she's like this old school, you know, from a, from a, bygone era, because Scrubs don't look like that anymore, but apparently she'll, so go, uh, well, uh, the, the, oh, I'm going to restart that set us.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll go, hey Monica, we got a new uniform for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: She just look at you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's a, there's a call out for Sarah Sarah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is.
[SPEAKER_02]: the state of play for medical dress, stylistic changes, material changes, functional changes, like pockets and different places and things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there was a, remember in season one there was a whole thing about the machine getting the different uniforms out of machine and Whitaker kept getting like the wrong things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he would rank a priest for a little while on the front of the wrong color.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a good running gag.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that a really a thing that machine?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because that's like seems like some in scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like kind of like like cameras tracking you at a when you're barista and how many coffee shots you've pulled or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's some like over the top being counterboshit to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it is it is pretty bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's kind of crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... show robby in habits you're not feeling very good about robby's do you have any thoughts about the robby's trajectory i think he's not a blade suicide you think so absolutely okay he's i mean he's literally like a a a i mean what does that it's saying like when it gets dark when it gets dark not if it gets dark right and when i get
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he doesn't even say, yeah, he just like pats him on the shoulder again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he doesn't even do the joking one on his bullet wound.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does like an arrangement shoulder bat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I very worried about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very worried about his conversation with Whitaker where he's like, oh, but I don't come back, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the sweet bachelor pad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I think Robbie is considering not coming back.
[SPEAKER_02]: That, I mean, that, that comment is definitely a weird comment.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, what do you mean, if I don't come back?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and he was like, oh, no, I meant if I don't come back to PTSD, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, no, dude, you, you, you, that's a, yeah, that comment.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's your house.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's your house.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not your job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like, oh, you could take my office while I'm gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if I don't come back, you'll have it off.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a different thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: The conversation that Dana was having with Emma out in the driveway area there.
[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't rack focus, but they definitely left a lot of negative space, so Dana was way frame left, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we could clearly see the line up of the motorcycle parking.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there are several motorcycles parked over there, and the first one is Robby's motorcycle.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they gave us a long look at the end of that conversation.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, they were like, boo, boo, boo, signaling us that, you know, this topic is a lively one.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's active.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a motorcycle season.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you feel about what occurs relationship?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it's ethical?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think he's being taken advantage of?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who are you?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Robby kind of implies both ways, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yes, maybe it's not ethical for like maybe you're taking advantage of this woman, but also maybe she's taking advantage of you and I like that he forces him to have a boundary here.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, no kids yours or others, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Robby's got the right of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's he's and I think he delivered it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think he handled that from a human resource sort of thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it it felt appropriate to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's addressing both sides of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, yeah, you're kind of taking advantage of her, but she's kind of taking advantage of you and it's a weird situation and it's your hearts in the right place, but yeah, this isn't- But this is a code of penidly sandwich and we just, yeah, you need to take a step away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, when things escalate to somewhere else, yeah, I don't know, it's weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think he handled it properly.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was nice to say.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could just call me Whittaker, not a chance.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's take another break and then we'll just round.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll come back with a round-up with a patience and talk about a couple of the other themes and topics that were in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: and we are back.
[SPEAKER_02]: He more notes on Jude Augustine.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the young man who blew his fingers off and whose parents have been deported by immigration customs enforcement.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we had heard that there was going to be a nice storyline.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that it was going to be quote unquote balanced because
[SPEAKER_01]: I would call this, you know, I mean, to me that's balanced if this is factually what's happening right now, I know that a lot of people probably will not feel like it's balanced because it perhaps favors a certain political argument, but yeah, it's tragic and there's a lot of people losing their parents right now to deportation, and people who have done nothing wrong other than seek a new home.
[SPEAKER_02]: I felt that they didn't treat this storyline differently from any other storyline that they've treated.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, be it mass shootings, be it branding, whatever, you know, just they just sort of dealt with it pretty straight.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought that the social worker, like I really appreciated his perspective,
[SPEAKER_02]: Dylan Easton is his name, uh, that he's like, yeah, they're probably, you know, they need to check up on him and she knows she needs some help.
[SPEAKER_02]: She needs some extra resources, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: She's not prepared for this, uh, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if even if they don't make the kid go back to Haiti, yeah, or go too Haiti rather, because he's never been there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, even if they don't go back to the kid, right, even if they don't make the kid go to Haiti,
[SPEAKER_01]: She clearly needs extra resources.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Seriously.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like she said, she's doing the best she can.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she had a trajectory of her life that is now interrupted because of some stupid policy bullshit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because of a political concern.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where they were following the rules.
[SPEAKER_02]: They went to their assigned appointment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they're supposed to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're suddenly changed.
[SPEAKER_02]: The way things are doing for a political reason, not for a policy reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's exactly why I tell people who say they're not political that, you know, you can pretend like that, but yeah, it's not, it's not a game.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's people's lives.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about Becca.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think we're done there, Brooke McCord.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's the one that had the eye stroke.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, I'm just glad she's going to the ICU because then they're going to have that nurse patient ratio that's really high.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she's going to get a lot of attention, but I'm nervous for her.
[SPEAKER_02]: and maybe I'm just nervous because I don't, I trust these writers, but you know, I still may be in conditions for too many, too many medical or too many, too much drama, manufacturer drama and television shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they did make a pretty big deal out of sending that waiver.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm a little concerned here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But she did sign the informed consent waiver like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a pretty good CYA for.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's getting, you know, good results.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then, yeah, there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm just nervous about what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: So at least she's going to be in the ICU.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm happy for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Keep the crash cart close by.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you, what are your thoughts on Roxy?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, obviously a very personal case to me, um, it's very sad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I was, was the, was the line a little bit cheesy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never died before.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a little, that's a little, you know, every now and then the show really like,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, hands it up a little too much for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was a moment for me, but I did appreciate, and again, this is one of the most fantastical parts of the show, is that McKay sits and talks to her for a minute and doesn't go.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need anything?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I got to go to my other patient.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I just I've never ever been in a hospital where that you get that level of care.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, right, I mean, like emotional care, right, right, right in a busy city that has a where the where the lobby is overflowing with patients on a busy holiday weekend.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she took five minutes to sit with her to brain have an emotional conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, do you ever, your kids ever jump on you when you really don't want them to?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: When they jump on your stomach and you feel like you're gonna throw up.
[SPEAKER_01]: because they just jump so aren't they don't realize how big they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they use.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when her son jumps on the bed next time, I scream, I was just like, and you can't know, you can't say no, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You just like, you know, it's like my kid loves me, but damn it that hurt or it's not helpful.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's a tough spot to be in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We already talked about Javadi's patience and Mr. Digby.
[SPEAKER_02]: Any thoughts on Howard?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just Digby.
[SPEAKER_01]: Big Mr. Digby.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm saying that's what he said.
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes, I'm just Digby.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was, I think two episodes of the gov.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Howard, I mean, it seems like
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, you see this a lot, especially with people who are struggling with weight, they feel like, or with the disability, they feel like they have to hide from their loved ones rather than being and having an open relationship because when she hears from him, she seems overjoyed to hear from him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it also, it sounds like there was some kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: unpleasant dynamic with their parents right based on what she said and it sounds like father and drinking yeah right it sounds like she needed to get away from that but she didn't consider that maybe she didn't need to get away from all of it she could have maintained a tie right and that stuff too and i i've witnessed that as well um yeah and i i appreciate this
[SPEAKER_02]: just the way that they're treating Howard, you know, and they're like, you're gonna die, but we're gonna take you out to talk to you this for five minutes in the un-air conditioned ambulance bay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think Abbott, you know, there was a moment where he's on the phone with his sister, and he's, I think Abbott's really moved, like he's really vested in this guy and in this relationship.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was like this little look that he had, and I was like, oh, damn, this, this patient's getting to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Abbott is going to be this guy's personal trainer after all, and he's going to show up.
[SPEAKER_02]: in the nude like let's get to work Howard's go let's go Howard but yeah nervous for Howard I mean that's a that's a tough tough odds and that's a lot of work that they have to do in surgery to do this without complicating the situation because I got to get in there right they got to figure out they got to get into that hole and and stop that hole plug that hole up
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, I've lived some of us, you know, my father, I've been a proxy where I talked to the doctor.
[SPEAKER_01]: They said your father's not going to survive a surgery with his weight, you know, I've been there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So on the midseason check-in, we were talking with John and all three of us, but John particularly, he had some some also personal relations this story.
[SPEAKER_02]: unexpectedly reaches out into all of our lives in different ways and there's like real connections like I've used a whole year left before like I've you know you you've got a lot of connections you were just in emergency room a couple of weeks ago as well right for everybody gets sick everybody gets sick everybody gets old yeah and this show just reaches into all of our lives and and it's really interesting the way that the thing the storylines cross into
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... couple themes and topics i mean obviously medical companies making urgent medical decisions uh... because uh... i think it was uh... mr. Garcia i have to look at the patient list the guy who came back from the other hospital with the open shoulder wound and i don't think that was there cia that was that was somebody else they don't want to name yeah uh... i can look it up but any thoughts about that topic
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, why are we going back and forth?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is just ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_01]: I truly hate the American health care system.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't get too much on that this episode, so I don't think we have to go too deep into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm just trying to find the patient name too, but there's a lot of patients.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, being interesting to see the patients statistics at the end of that, Mr. Diaz.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, Mr. Diaz was diabetic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was, he was from before.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, uh, it's not that important.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's uh, it's in the list somewhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, patient or episode one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we had a lot of patients in episode one thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: They overloaded us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, okay, moving on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's talk about furries.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can talk about furries.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to talk about, uh, polycystic over a ovarian syndrome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, furries.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, do you want to say, we'll do Pico's afterwards.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to get, you know, I need a lighter topic for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you didn't know anything about answer cotton.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I know what a furry is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you didn't know that 15 to 20,000 people descend on Pittsburgh every year.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think this was a real thing that Pittsburgh, like, I like that they're using these actual local events too.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not just, you know, made up for, oh, this is just a thing that happens in Pittsburgh.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, that doesn't actually happen in Pittsburgh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean good for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like what you like, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean huge, but but at the same time like can we not do the furry con in July?
[SPEAKER_01]: Can we do that in a lot of free or fall or even winter?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean I get winter for like travel issues, but
[SPEAKER_01]: spring or fall guys like you can't be doing this in the heat of July also why is it on the fourth of July right yeah i think i think the date floats a little bit but it said yeah it's always sort of around this time that is ridiculous why this why are we doing this to ourselves why do we put ourselves as humans in these situations where we're in heat boxes in the heat yeah crazy
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess it started in about 97 and then bounced around a little bit, it started in 97 in Albany.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess it was where the first one and then it settled in Pittsburgh in about 2006.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: The whole town, it's like it's become a cornerstone of the business cycle for the town, for the city every year.
[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously, it brings in a lot of revenue for the shops and the restaurants and everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess, you know, people decorate and there's a big parade and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and from what I was reading about it, this, in like there are free, uh, uh, um, uh, what we want to say are representative from the, from Anthropocone, saying there's a lot about identity and community and it's a very artistic and creative community and it's not inherently a thing about sex or sexuality and that's just part of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You wear what you want to wear.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're just going to be open arm pits or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm trying to innovate here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure there's liquid cooling systems and fans.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure that would be that's honestly very important.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they have the, what is it?
[SPEAKER_01]: The, the Arctic sun.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have the Arctic sun with the furries.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you should do some research, John, and get back to us.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not putting that anywhere in my little history.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, your wife will be like, uh, also, my ads will never recover.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: All the banner ads popping up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm already.
[SPEAKER_01]: My phone's probably listening to me right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, I'm just going to get.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get Anthropon ads host.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm done.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm I think I'm past the demographic a little bit for furry so I don't need to build a for so now I don't think they discriminate That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could be an older furry to be fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know who's gonna know you're in the suit Good point.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how many I would like to do a demographic poll of Furies because I don't think there'll be a lot of gen Xers in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't think that we're built for that kind of stuff
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've not done the research.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look if you're a Gen Xer and you're furry right in and prove me wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where's our furry correspondents?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, where's our furry?
[SPEAKER_01]: Our fur is spondent.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... right uh... i did love the little uh... joke that the uh... patient uh... bill of rights thing was useless somebody out in the james was like this thing's useless which honestly just tramples on my theory that it was going to be what saved the paper day right it was a good theory i liked it i thought i was going to be fun yeah uh... dial a phone if you dial the phone recently john
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a dial, it's round.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I tell you, you know, here's here's something I can grab my gear on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did use to my, my dad had phones like that, the rotary shirt, but I saw not even rotary, but like regular, just old dial phones from like the 80s and 90s to push button in the thrift shop for like $40 the other day.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, you are out of your god damn mind for $3 for a phone that nobody can use if it doesn't even look good right this is just a piece of plastic with the line you're coming out of millions off of that because those were all rented you had to rent those phones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, now you have to pay $40 for them in a Yeah, oh, no, they've got you in another way because you're out of your mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not buying that all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had the hand of them that I got rid of when I cleaned up my dad's house That's funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: I brought that up because the wet read so they gave us a little photography lesson there when Dr. Nick was like, what's the rent?
[SPEAKER_02]: What read so I thought that was pretty funny
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if you saw the a little look that on that in security and McKayda from admin who's a runner she gave him a little wave.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, she picked up some of the slips.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm shipping them.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, he's interested.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's definitely interested.
[SPEAKER_02]: Should we talk about Pico's and sure we can get out of here?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've known several people with Pico's I'm not familiar with it, but but you've done the research.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, I looked on the internet course.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, I think we use the word research in the society far too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah,
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't have ovaries, so it's not like I'm trying to speak authoritatively about any of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am simply, I just did some reading and then I'm just sort of returning some of that reading in audio form, a polycystic ovarian syndrome.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a hormone disorder that can, that affects up to 10 to 13% of people with ovaries.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a complex multi-genetic endocrine and metabolic disorder, which has environmental and genetic complicating factors.
[SPEAKER_02]: Apparently, it's a small fluid filled follicles that don't regularly release eggs in ovaries.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so, and it sounds, yeah, I don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't had any personal interaction with Picasso, so it's hard for me to say anything more about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very painful.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can have hormonal issues.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's a, it can, this is from people who I know who have had it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just relaying this, I don't have any medical background, but it can lead to for some fertility issues, not necessarily preventing you from having a kid, but it perhaps
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's a tough thing to live with.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when we talk about bias in the provision of care and especially with women and especially with black women, these sort of pregnancy-related issues, they can be hard to diagnose and they sort of take time to resolve and because of racial bias, racism and misogyny and cultural practices and all kinds of stuff,
[SPEAKER_02]: that for a lot of women of color, this is a very serious problem because they don't get the care that they normally should get.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it is, it's an issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's some statistic.
[SPEAKER_02]: that black women die from pregnancy related causes at two to three times the rate of white women, even for a distant income and education.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is a clear signal that there is something wrong and that needs to be addressed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think we're seeing that storyline being presented and played out to us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a huge problem that people just aren't listening black women especially.
[SPEAKER_02]: McCay, she's like, I mean, like, that her, the ovary was twisting around and that sounds like it's happening intermittently, so they kept her for observation, so they were able to see it and catch it and understand what it is and, and attend to it, where, you know, Whitaker, knowing that it was like, oh, well, we can free up a bed space, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: She's good to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so this idea of how do you, again, provisioning of health care in a way that an system that's not stressed, if it's not stressed, then we can attend to people, but because it is stressed, doctors have to make these decisions about bed space.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's also, you know, part of this is she was smart enough to say, okay, if she had extreme pain in the lobby and it's less now, let's see if it comes back before setting her home and making her come back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, like you say, it's an issue of provisioning and distributing healthcare resources when you have a full lobby.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: And having a doctor who's actually taking a moment to be present to you and what you've got going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: And not saying, oh, well, it's just period pain.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go home and take a title at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yikes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, she's lucky to have had McCay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, uh, I think we're covered.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're good.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very quickly our outro.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do we got?
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alisha's Austria's coverage is wild.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's coming fast and loose.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not loose.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fast and well planned.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, and we're having a great time here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So check all that out on the main Lorehouse feed.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can also get ketchup on and out of the seven kingdoms.
[SPEAKER_01]: We just finished.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, just to hook back on the Oscars thing, I think the Oscars are coming up relative to I think next Sunday and on the discord, there will be folks chatting live while they're watching it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So join the awards.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a live chat channel in the current show listings and they'll talk about the Oscars that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, after it's over, Alicia and I are going to get together and we're going to do a recap of the Oscar season.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll talk about our best picture opinions of the nominated films and the winners.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just finished my best picture watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've watched all 10 of the best picture norms, and I have a provisional ranking.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, if you want to hear us debate those, people will be doing that about a week after the Oscar's air.
[SPEAKER_01]: very good.
[SPEAKER_01]: We also will be releasing an Earthsea episode our words after this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, it's really happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we waited for you to do it, but we we finished the series with Marilyn.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so check that out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a really wonderful episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think that was like I honestly like our Earthsea episodes hit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: They always they always meet leave me feeling something.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I hope that's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Leaves it with the listeners too.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a book series that doesn't get enough credit for what it does in the world of fantasy literature.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually went to my local bookshop yesterday because I was in town with my wife and I asked him to order me the illustrated collected because I knew they were not going to have nobody carries that right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I was like, can you order that for me?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well I've been about a week.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get my hands on the illustrated version.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: So also our affiliates have plenty of stuff going.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got radioactive ramlings covering.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just released the episode today.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they finally finished the fallout.
[SPEAKER_02]: They think they'd find a fallout episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and then they've got invincible coming and the boys.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they'll be all up in the super hero stuff ahead of our Cosmere coverage, which we've already started recording.
[SPEAKER_01]: So awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry folks, we got plenty of podcasts coming for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And more details on the Cosmere feed and how you can follow it forthcoming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool, and radio, I just said radio actor Ramlings, the probably Howard to sort of the newly wed.
[SPEAKER_01]: The new wed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they dropped their first episode today, and just to flag something for folks, you don't have to watch the movies that they're talking about to enjoy the podcast, because they're just entertaining as they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you want to hear Steve do one of the best Schwarzenegger impressions that at least I've ever heard too into this episode, because it had me in
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of like listening to Steve describe a plot anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: You already mean it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's so funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was, you know, there was, uh, I was, I was watching a weird albedo the other day.
[SPEAKER_01]: What a, what a transition here.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we do, you hanging out with Mark, because Mark's a big, uh, a weird al guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't hanging out with Mark, but maybe I should, I, I, I mean, I'm not a huge owl.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a yank of a bikin.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are the, what are the, I don't know, but I like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he, uh, in white and nerdy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember white and nerdy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was right in dirty.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a pervigly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They give him a brown paper bag like it's supposed to be he's buying drugs, but he pulls it out in Star Wars holiday special.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh my god, I was I was watching it with with Maya.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she was like, wait, what's what about the holiday special?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like,
[SPEAKER_01]: you have to listen to our podcast on it now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we were listened to the first half of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, this is one of the most fun podcasts we ever recorded.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is this stupid holiday special?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of Mark, Mark and Nicole never mind the music.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just had a side track out on authenticity in the age of AI.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the week before they had a voice to min episode, and I think what they have coming up is Shania Twain and feminism.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that should be a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have a crossover pod coming up with them.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're supposed to, do you guys lock that down?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're recording it in May.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's still a little bit away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Nicole and I and Jean, the three of us are going to get together this week
[SPEAKER_02]: very nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that on Hulu and we're going to talk about season a little bit about season one a little bit about season two kind of a midseason chat or early season check-in thing because a lot of people are enjoying that show.
[SPEAKER_02]: That'll be out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we're going to do one piece, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say on the main feed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll see you too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's in two drops tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: After you're doing this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Efficotic coverage?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably either one or two.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see how dense it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sounds good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're working at our House of the Dragon coverage plans.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know Alicia and I have a, we're going to do the Riz Ahmed Hamlet movies coming out and we've got some plans for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to do a what you're watching, actually, about HamNet, which was, I don't think you should watch that film, John.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it would break you emotionally.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it might have mostly break you.
[SPEAKER_01]: He thinks some fragile folks write it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right in.
[SPEAKER_02]: It, uh, I was openly weeping at the end of him, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm literally, tear, I'm literally streaming down my face.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not afraid of weeping.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, as long as I have Dr. Nick there to hold me I don't, I'll be fine.
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