[SPEAKER_05]: In a quiet English village in the mid-1980s, an ordinary home computer became the unlikely gateway to something profoundly unsettling.
[SPEAKER_05]: As personal computing was still in its infancy, the residents of Donaldson Hall began receiving messages that seemed to break every rule of time, technology, and reason.
[SPEAKER_05]: What started as a strange set of glitches, and corrupted text, soon evolved into full conversations with an unseen intelligence, seeming to hail from the year, 1547.
[SPEAKER_05]: The messages claimed originate from the distant past, specifically the 16th century.
[SPEAKER_05]: famine.
[SPEAKER_05]: And religious persecution, describing in a life that predated electricity, let alone computers, and yet it typed fluently, asked questions about modern life, and appeared aware of events, it should have had no way of knowing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Over time, the exchanges grew more personal, more emotional, and far more disturbing.
[SPEAKER_05]: where the Dullson messages in elaborate hoax, a psychological experiment, or evidence of something far stranger, communication across time itself.
[SPEAKER_05]: As the conversation's deepened, so did the implications, blurring the boundaries between past and present, mind and machine.
[SPEAKER_05]: This case file joined the theorist as we boot up one of the most unnerving cases of technological high-stringiness ever recorded in, The Dottleston.
[SPEAKER_05]: Messages.
[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the show whatever the name of the show is it's three sixty seven case five three sixty seven I'm brave so I'm dead This is the most relaxed I've ever going to be this is you guys actually make this You got listen if you are on patreon you get the bottom half of this video Read and it is worth it You're wearing like a real handle
[SPEAKER_03]: And sweatpants.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we need to poo in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it'll be on the bottom.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's been on the bottom.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was hoping to do some things.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how I keep cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the best way to regulate your temperature.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can wear extra heavy sweater.
[SPEAKER_02]: Extra heavy on top.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: and then nothing on the bottom.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hang with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm enjoying a nice real spa retreat for me this week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Away from the kids, the wife and kids in a hotel.
[SPEAKER_02]: By yourself, drink and rent a rent.
[SPEAKER_03]: To pregnant with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did.
[SPEAKER_02]: I brought two bottles.
[SPEAKER_06]: This guy's fucking brought his whole prison wine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, it's so cold.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna be seeing a hotel for a week.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm surprisingly bright too, but I don't think it's like a whole case.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like a whole case.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's heck it in me.
[SPEAKER_02]: A Zell, Zell as a father, as a father, as a father.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look at me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look at me in the eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I can't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't.
[SPEAKER_02]: You look at me.
[SPEAKER_01]: You look at me.
[SPEAKER_02]: You look.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look at me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell me right now that you wouldn't do the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell me right now if you're cheating.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's why it's so funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can.
[SPEAKER_02]: So funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have a laptop.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could have easily bought the laptop.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could have pulled a full-tower PC, full-high-tower PC.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you ever go there?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I didn't have a girl being honest with you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Buddy, that you drew in a bathtub at your house.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Toilet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Toilet, buy it to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you drink it with a straw?
[SPEAKER_02]: Make it better.
[SPEAKER_02]: I should have brought I should have got a straw or something You know what I should have put it in a water bottle with one of the sports sports Just give the old sports Little Stanley cup like a Stanley cup of the straw yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, it's the, this is living, this is living boys.
[SPEAKER_02]: The podcast is back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can feel it.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is how it started, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: This is, this is, this is, I'm feeling just back to my creative self.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm lounging with no pants on drinking red, red and red.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, and guess what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm been by myself, I'm already half bottle deep boys.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, and another crazy thing about this is,
[SPEAKER_03]: you have a hard-wired set up at home is nothing but problems.
[SPEAKER_03]: You take your whole PC on the road and you just plug it in and it works.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, this isn't even my good PC.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the crazy part.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is my, this is the backup PC that I honestly has been turned off probably for a month.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hasn't even been plugged in.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought it was like I'm bringing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jamie's like, why don't you bring the laptop?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I don't even know if it'll work.
[SPEAKER_03]: Brandon brought this PC because just in case he starts receiving messages from the distant past.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's a, you know, that's the interesting thing that, you know, this, this case kind of dialed, dives into the, like, time travel realm.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you guys seen, like, if you guys remember like, the, like, remember the Mike Tyson time traveler, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about him before.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we were guy in there with the camera.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there was a more recent one on TikTok.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a guy who claims he's trapped in the future and people were like,
[SPEAKER_02]: send me a picture of the Eiffel Tower and he just sends a picture of like the Eiffel Tower with like a selfie a video with him and he's like he says he's somehow got trapped in like 2020 like 22 canner something like way in the future and there's no one around so he's just like he's like I'm stuck here I don't know what's happening and it's like it's a pretty interesting tick-tock
[SPEAKER_02]: I see what I can send TikToks back to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just stuck in the future.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no infrastructure, no one to run anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the TikTok series is still running.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody this phone is connected to the past to us.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like a quantum tunnel.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, I'm stuck.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can communicate.
[SPEAKER_02]: But no one believes me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, no one believes me, but it's like I for somehow can post on TikTok.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, we'll still keep my phone charged somehow.
[SPEAKER_03]: If anything like the case we're going to discuss.
[SPEAKER_03]: is real.
[SPEAKER_03]: If it happened then, brother, this can happen in the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I read this case that we're talking about the Daudelston messages, I was like, have you ever seen the movie Frequency?
[SPEAKER_02]: This is basically what you said.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's this about you go?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the movie Frequency.
[SPEAKER_03]: I took that as the movie I should have seen.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was really thinking hard about
[SPEAKER_03]: I can break with you.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Never seen it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I never watched it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I never watched it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys have never watched it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I do see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do see
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[SPEAKER_03]: movies to late not like 90s to like mid 2000s.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the plot of that movie is a little spoiler alert is that guy has like a CB radio because his dad was really into CB radio's and his dad died.
[SPEAKER_02]: like tragically and so he hooks up like as he when he's an adult he finds his dad CB radio he hooks it up and there's like a powerful storm and as he's fucking fucking around with the CB radio he actually connects to his dad in the past on the same CB radio so he's actually corresponding with his dad and
[SPEAKER_02]: and helps his dad, like, solve murders.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a machine, like, solve crimes in the past.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because he knows, and then, like, yeah, he, like, I can't remember if he saves his dad's life and at the end, the dad comes, like, upstage, he's like, I'm here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Simple like crazy shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a fun watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a great timepiece for that year.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's very similar to the Donaldston messages.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they weren't solving crimes,
[SPEAKER_06]: it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't I guarantee you though I guarantee you I could do this with my parents with work documents on their PC.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like any one of us could you can say what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a word document I never put up my computer.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well now you could but back then.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, because before any cloud storage or any network connectivity, when that's the weird thing, we just, it is strange.
[SPEAKER_03]: I doubt what is this fucking world.
[SPEAKER_06]: So messages.
[SPEAKER_06]: The dollars and messages are named after Dawles in England.
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, where this place is like, it's like in the Northwest, I think I believe, like as in the Northwest Northeast, and um, you have a West Northeast, you have a West Northeast Southeast,
[SPEAKER_06]: and it's it takes place and it's like all of this revolves around one his name is Ken Webster
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, who lives in an 18th century bricks stone cottage style house, which is called Meadow Cottage.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, so that's where this kind of takes place.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ken Webster is the name that we get from the events that take place because it comes from A lot of the details and a lot of the, um, Most of the narrative comes from a book called The Vertical Plane.
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, that was published back and it's like the 80s.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um,
[SPEAKER_06]: and it documents a lot of this and it tells a whole story of what's goes on.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, it's been out for a while.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I couldn't find it actual.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, if you want to get a paper copy, it's like 70 bucks.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, you can find the PDF, but you can find the PDF pretty quickly, which is what I did.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then that fucking wine, I'd know it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Skin hip.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's gonna dump it all over himself.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, continue doing so.
[SPEAKER_06]: So Ken Webster may be a pseudonym.
[SPEAKER_06]: I've seen that mention a couple times as from what it is.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if it's an actual real person.
[SPEAKER_06]: But from what we know from the story is that Ken Webster is I believe in his 30s, like he's 32, 34.
[SPEAKER_06]: And at this time, the fact.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, he's renovating this dilapidated college that they had there.
[SPEAKER_06]: They had recently moved into, um, he's living there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, I guess, while he's an economics teacher at the local school and he lived with his girlfriend, Debbie, who's 19, um, and another friend named Nicola Buggley.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, it must suck living in England and having a house built in the 1800s.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a house built in the 1970s and dealing with like a praisels already.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, oh, you put new cabinet doors in.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to say that house is now built in the 2000s.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, kid, but it wasn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: What the fuck?
[SPEAKER_02]: How does that work?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, no one talks about how when you get your house a prais, your house time travels.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can have a 1950 house.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you put a new door, if you put a new door knob on your
[SPEAKER_02]: That says the assessment will be like oh, that's a new copper door knob.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know what we're going to say your house is built in 1980s now It's like other stuff made in the USA, but no like they put it together They put the pieces together in China, and then they just put it together in the USA That is exactly how it works.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you ever talked to someone from BC assessment?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's exactly how it works.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's mind boggling.
[UNKNOWN]: I have
[SPEAKER_03]: two permanent additions to my house and a couple unpermanent and my house on my assessment still says 1974.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, so I called because my house jumped 20% and I was like, this is crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's going on?
[SPEAKER_02]: And they feel like, you know, the MLS listing says there's new kitchen cabinets in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, yeah, cabinet doors.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, well, that bumps the house.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have
[SPEAKER_02]: your house is built in 1977.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have a bump into a 1990s house.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, Oh, I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's not a 90s house.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can talk about call.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did call.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did call it in the fucking night.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey guy, are you going to court or what?
[SPEAKER_03]: What's going on here?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, I'm gonna have to, I'm disputing the assessment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I was like, my house is not built in the 90s.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, no, no, we don't understand.
[SPEAKER_02]: But based on the renovations, it's now listed as a 1990s house.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, okay, but it's the final thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything else was built in the 70s.
[SPEAKER_02]: See, what are we doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: So imagine having an 1800s looks like whoa, isn't that a fucking gas oven?
[SPEAKER_02]: If we were up in this, this is now in the 1970s.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a concrete starting to crumble, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a fucking brick castle, you're like, OK, it's falling apart, dilapidated.
[SPEAKER_02]: Moss everywhere, you're like, uh, what?
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, yeah, that's pretty much the case that I got from reading about the the renovations that are going in this metal cottage because it's like it's basically like three rooms or three or four rooms.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's the like a bedroom upstairs there's a the downstairs is like the living room slash kitchen.
[SPEAKER_06]: area, there's like a back room where Nicholas stayed, I guess she had just done a stint like a income back from East Africa, is what it says in there, and she's staying back there with like the band equipment, which I believe Ken is in a band with John and Stenent or two other people that are featured in the story, the kind of pop in and out,
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like just one of those weird living situations when they just kind of like moved into this house and it's just like, it's not, it needs a lot of work.
[SPEAKER_06]: They have people working out in the summertime, renovating it and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: So people are going in and out of the house all the time.
[SPEAKER_06]: So you have, like the weird stuff is like the stuff happens when it's 1984 is when a lot of when the events start taking place So it's not even like the frequency stuff starts off because the story starts off like poltergeist The first the first kind of weird stuff that starts happening is they spot the set of six toed foot
[SPEAKER_06]: Prints that appear to like walk up one of the kitchen walls.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like it's kind of like they see them on the walls and the weird thing is it's like they sit there and they look at these and they kind of sit there for I don't know a couple months and they're just kind of like yeah, they're just there.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's weird like they're just like you know they had I think it's all a couple of photos where it's like they had photos of these just like what appear to be footprints.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what they did.
[SPEAKER_06]: Quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, but in a slightly different position.
[SPEAKER_06]: So he's like it wasn't like that they were they just a classic That's a classic painting mistake down.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a classic painting.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't strip but he didn't strip the old paint.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good enough, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's painting didn't degrees the foot print, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: The grease that it's on the foot.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the paint didn't adhere to the greaseiness of the footprint, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So what happened is there, you know, probably humid.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm guessing high humidity, right in that old house probably drafty
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and the paint just does not hear Peel's right off those footprints.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what's happening here, Dad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Call us.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a different spot, though.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a different spot for print.
[SPEAKER_06]: He said they were like, I don't know if I'm hitting it from his, or the weird here.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, in his claim, they were just a little bit like they, he said that they weren't the same footprints because they were in a slightly different position than he remembered them being in.
[SPEAKER_06]: So he's like, no, it wasn't that they soaked through the paint.
[SPEAKER_06]: Anything like that?
[SPEAKER_06]: Is it that?
[SPEAKER_06]: Do you spill a little bit?
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a little bit of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's going to get progressed, like, in front of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, it's a little bit of spill.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right, he's just going to be sloppin' it all over the place.
[SPEAKER_06]: There was a little bit of spill off the cup.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's going to just be basting in the render red, at the end of the end of the... Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the great thing is the court is long enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could walk to the bathroom with the mic.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also for the first time that you will hear brave shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: My pants.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't take it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the toilet is five feet for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't take it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Walk over.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a dream.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a dream situation for me really.
[SPEAKER_02]: So these footprints have shifted.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so he's thinking that these these footprints came back after they pay them.
[SPEAKER_06]: So there's there's already some kind of, uh, you know, uh, uh, uh, their feeling, general feeling that something kind of creepy is starting to go on.
[SPEAKER_06]: And stuff ramps up like pretty quickly from what they report.
[SPEAKER_06]: So they see these footprints.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then two days after the footprints had been painted on and then, you know, came back.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, they had,
[SPEAKER_06]: they had to go and they had gone out to go get some food for, you know, the week or whatever, they had gone grocery shopping, they had come back and they had put everything into the covers, but they left a number of items out because they couldn't fit anything into these covers, you know, I guess they had installed their 1984 cabinets, so I don't know, but they said that when they went up,
[SPEAKER_06]: at night, everybody went to bed and, you know, expecting the stuff to be there in the morning, they came downstairs and they saw that there was a number of cat food tens that were neatly ordered in a pyramid, like striking out from a brick corner pillar.
[SPEAKER_06]: So one of the pillars there was like a pyramid of cat tens that they had put there.
[SPEAKER_06]: But they didn't have a cat.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, they I think they fed some I think they're in this in the book.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's like there's a mentions of yeah, there's like a mention of like cats like neighborhood cats
[SPEAKER_06]: So I don't think they only catch, so it's yeah, so I don't know where it's catch around.
[SPEAKER_02]: What they did you imagine your house some friends there, do they just poop everywhere?
[SPEAKER_02]: They should ever like street cats every garden bag just pumps your legs in your front garden pile of dried old cat poo rocks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look at these rocks, no cat poop.
[SPEAKER_06]: So originally, the suspect is John, which is one of the band members that I guess lives intermittently at the house at some time.
[SPEAKER_06]: The crash is there on occasion.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's mentioned sometimes in the book when they come in, they have double chances.
[SPEAKER_02]: Plastic John, making a tune in can't pyramid.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, they're like, I guess he had some, it's mentioned that he had some kind of, you know,
[SPEAKER_06]: a weird sense of humor so they thought this was something maybe that he had done.
[SPEAKER_06]: But they're also thinking that perhaps, you know, this made them kind of realize and take notice that the cottage is not particularly secure.
[SPEAKER_06]: They pretty much said anyone could get in or out like without any real effort.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's an 18th century cottage.
[SPEAKER_06]: The door is just no door.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's like a last.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just wanted those wooded plank doors.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's a fucking bead curtain.
[SPEAKER_06]: So two nights later, um, they find fate that would get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just push the beats away.
[SPEAKER_06]: So after this little demonstration of the paranormal weirdness, they two nights later, they find another stack of items, which is like, it was like a single stack, approximately about, they said four feet high, and it was like two, and they said it was a couple of two liter bottles of lemonade, a packet of dry cat food, and a kitchen roll, all stacked on top of each other, and like in a precarious kind of position.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's not like, really stable, but it's like they had to stack all the way up
[SPEAKER_02]: Sean's getting good.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, chances can pretty good at this.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is some of his best work.
[SPEAKER_06]: So then, you know, a couple of days after that, this is all still being marked, just like kind of super weird, but it's still kind of on the funny side.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, there's still kind of just being like, oh, this is kind of silly.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, maybe we have a visitor who knows.
[SPEAKER_06]: I guess nobody is super worried about it at this point, but it is like, I think this is when Ken and Webster starts to describe it in the book.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, they're starting to become like a palpable feeling of wrongness at the cottage.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's just like a thousand oozing from the ceiling.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Or people just became a little bit more paranoid.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, what, like, something weird is going on?
[SPEAKER_02]: One of them started referring themselves as the keymaster.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's only a rule.
[SPEAKER_06]: So then at one point Nick and Deb are sitting around having a little fireside chat at one point and then they really and then they have this feeling that there is like a sudden temperature drop and this a company by a strong gust of wind that came under the door from the kitchen area and they said it was like it ended up like picking up like what they observe is like picked up like the days paper which was folded up on the floor I guess about six feet from the door and then it
[SPEAKER_06]: Flip it up into the air and then it tore it into three sections and then it fell down to the ground.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's caused for concern.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like in the intro of the guys fucking stuff right there.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's pulled her guy shit.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like I was like, yeah, I was like, that's kind of weird.
[SPEAKER_06]: You got set in temperature drops, then you got stuff picking up papers, and then throwing it, where I'm like, you know, right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pretty weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's hard to, John, like, I don't know, that's some like David, David Blaine stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: David Blaine stuff, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, John is getting real good.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, this is getting too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have to have a fucking evictus guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's too weird.
[SPEAKER_06]: So after these having, the stacking of stuff is mentioned periodically through the stories, we're about to get to the actual Donaldson messages part here.
[SPEAKER_06]: But like the stacking of objects is something that would keep happening on like every few days on the occasion.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then you have another kind of object.
[SPEAKER_06]: Most of the stuff like it would just be like things paper like stuff from around the house like it would just made up to her big thing perfect house of cards.
[SPEAKER_02]: I heard Yeah She's the whole bunch of weird like a whole bunch of stuff stacking decks of action three deck house of cards There will be just like her jenga for the stacked, but like but like already played You know what I mean like the max level you could possibly get it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah Jenga like it was built from the top down
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: So at this point, Nick Nick, I guess, decided that she wanted to try her hand at like writing sketches and dialogue.
[SPEAKER_06]: So she kind of, there's a mention like she wanted to become like one of like a writer and
[SPEAKER_06]: these things because she was kind of one of those, one of those souls that just kind of flipped around back and think she didn't really have a job from when I mentioned, like she's like she doesn't really, she's just one of those friends that like hangs out at the college and she just needs somewhere to like crash for a while and then it's like, well, she gets her life together, I guess.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, but she starts getting into this.
[SPEAKER_06]: We've all known like girl like this.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's like, I want to, she's like, I want to start writing sketches and stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, no, we know what she wanted to join in alternative a cabaret.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll show.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's also known as stripping.
[SPEAKER_06]: I heard.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's what it says in the book is his alternative cabaret.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what it says.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was not stripping dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm just kidding.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't turn it off.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't turn it off.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, so, uh, at Ken Horton High School where Ken Webster work at Todd, um, they had a number of these BBC microcomputers, um, and at least eight of them, which had a word processing chip in it, they called
[SPEAKER_06]: Edward, ED, WRD, which I thought was pretty clever, but it was pretty funny.
[SPEAKER_06]: Edward, which it was basically, that's basically, like, their MS, it's like their Microsoft for you.
[SPEAKER_06]: That was their word processing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So is you be able to type and say it's, it's, I kind of remember having a computer, I don't know if it was similar to this one, but like one of the first computers we had in our house.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was literally you turned it on and it would just be like basically just a flashing dash and all you could do is.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is like your Amazon story, whatever, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, you know, so I didn't really have an operating system in it.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was like a page of, yeah, it's like a file system.
[SPEAKER_06]: Digital typewriter.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, they were using it to play.
[SPEAKER_06]: And he does mention that some of these were used to like play kids in the, the school would use them to play like space invaders and stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: They were computer games on these things.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like chess and other various games.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, very basic games old school.
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, so with the Edward and everything, and Ken thought it would be a good idea to bring this.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: It sounded like he was just trying to get Nick out of the house.
[SPEAKER_06]: Specialist was like, maybe this was speeded up the process for a kitty now, the house.
[SPEAKER_06]: But he says he wants to bring back the, he wants to bring this back to the cottage, hook it up, and he teaches her how to use it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I guess she loves it and starts, you know, writing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, whatever she starts pinning up some sketches for their, her alternative cabaret debut, I suppose.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, so they have it for a couple of weeks, um, and then a Sunday evening in December, Ken and company are returning from an evening visit to a friends house, um, they had spent a couple of hours of Sunday.
[SPEAKER_06]: evening there and they came back and he noticed that the computer was still on.
[SPEAKER_06]: Nobody had turned it off like they were kind of supposed to, you know, it's kind of became a habit as to do.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the screen, but the screen wasn't showing Edward normally where it would be like because that's what Nick mainly used it for.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, he figured she had just, you know, either hit the, he said the break key, which is like, a real old school, but like gone back to like a director or something like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: So Ken said he booted up the Edward program and then he wanted to take a look at the index to see what Nick and Ed been writing, just kind of see, he's curious about what she'd be writing.
[SPEAKER_02]: What a slime ball.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, he's like, hopefully she wrote her secret messages in here.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what he's doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Secret messages.
[SPEAKER_02]: Michael.
[SPEAKER_03]: Michael.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And she was, it was a three-and-a-head copy.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no one talking about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was the peak.
[SPEAKER_03]: of computer storage was the three-and-a-half inch floppy.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, but there was so cool memory had the case.
[SPEAKER_03]: You had a floppy fucking organizer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: When they were, you agreed like six or seven year on, you're doing like the typewriting program or whatever, you had to put in your floppy disks, remember where you were at.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Floppies were a floppy.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like three, what were they three megabytes or something?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like tiny little storage.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they were so fun too.
[SPEAKER_03]: They were just cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: So then you could slide them back and forth, ruin them again.
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[SPEAKER_06]: There was a file that he found on there with a three letter name, KDN was present on the floppy disk.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, this was kind of strange and Nick can realize this, because Nick normally had single letter digsignating her files, like DK, whatever, like she would only just type like one letter.
[SPEAKER_06]: to designate her files.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then there was also some other data on there.
[SPEAKER_06]: I guess there were time tables from her friend because they had borrowed this disk.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like it was, you know, they borrowed it just for the ads of old time tables that a friend or a coworker.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, you gotta remember this.
[SPEAKER_02]: You gotta remember like, if you're thinking about like for the time, like even though this is like a three megabyte, this is like buying like a tear by a hard drive now.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably, this thing was probably pricey.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, um, but it was, yeah, like anything, it was just probably just, it's just borrowed file, but the file contained this strange poem writing, um, that kind of has all of the, it was written very strangely, um, it had a just like, it's got this
[SPEAKER_06]: If you, when you look at it, like he in the book, they haven't actually typed out, and it's got, like, the actual, like, I guess with the some of the letters are, like, intermittent, like, capital, like, alternating capital and, um, and lower case lettering, like, a can consistent, can space.
[SPEAKER_03]: Capital D space, EB space, and I see that kind of weird stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: The book actually has like the translations of how like to make it easier to read on some of these.
[SPEAKER_06]: But this one, this one is like, can it maybe, maybe, but it doesn't mix of capitals and lowercase.
[SPEAKER_06]: So the very first one is basically it goes, can Deb Nick true are the nightmares of a person that fears,
[SPEAKER_06]: the world.
[SPEAKER_06]: Turn pretty flower, turn towards the sun for you shall grow and so.
[SPEAKER_06]: But the flower reaches too high and withers in the burning light.
[SPEAKER_06]: Get out your bricks, pussycat, pussycat went to London to seek fame and fortune.
[SPEAKER_06]: Faith must not be lost for this shall be your Redeemer.
[SPEAKER_06]: First off, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like, you should have like,
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, but yeah, it's like so he borrowed this for a couple.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think everybody kind of got to kick out it.
[SPEAKER_06]: But nobody was really sure who wrote this.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think he asked Nick about it.
[SPEAKER_06]: She didn't really remember writing this.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, so nope, but nobody was really sure like who put this on there.
[SPEAKER_06]: But at this point, you're kind of still like, while maybe it was on there before we just didn't notice it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love how when you say like Nick didn't really remember writing it because that is also the description that I read which I thought was funny because I was like it's like she was embarrassed she was like I don't know what did you think of it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know if I did I Was good, did you think it was good?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't know It sucked
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, look at me, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_06]: Kind of been me, you like, he used to me.
[SPEAKER_06]: So Ken would take the, Ken would go ahead and take the computer back to his school because he just kind of borrowed it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I guess like he was just able to borrow them, but then he had to bring it back, which is like, feel this nuts because you had to bring everything.
[SPEAKER_06]: It wasn't like, you know, it's not like, brain who could bring a single tower PC.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like you had to haul everything.
[SPEAKER_06]: You had to haul the monitor, the disk drive, like the keyboard.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've had all this stuff, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they had describes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and it's very heavy too.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so it's like you had to hold all all that stuff So yeah, so he returned to back to the school, but he would go ahead and borrow the equipment again in February after the holidays After the holidays finished up, so in February he brought it back and then this is when it gets
[SPEAKER_06]: a lot weirder because there would be another kids weirder.
[SPEAKER_06]: Another cryptic message was found under the file name Re8 R-E-A-T-E so this one was written and it's has a lot of like strange spelling for some of the words it's written all in the past as God.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's just, well, it sounds like I write on behalf of many what strange words you speak.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is something that we're in by like God because this one's written by what they think is something that actually sounds like an actual person.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, this would be, at the end of the, at the end of the message, it's signed LW.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, as Nish, the initials LW.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, I'm getting an old English then, not an old English accent.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: I cannot.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like I'm laughing too, but that's voice actor of all time.
[SPEAKER_06]: You can do it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I write on behalf of many, what strange words you speak, although I must confess, there I, that I too have been badly educated.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sometimes it seems changes are somewhat obstructive, for many they disturb me sleeping in my bed.
[SPEAKER_05]: You are a worthy man who has a fancival woman and who live in my house.
[SPEAKER_06]: I have no wish to alarm you, for it is only since the half-witted fool ripped apart mine confines, have I been tormented at nights.
[SPEAKER_06]: I have seen many changes, lastly the school house and your home, it is a fitting place with lights which the devil makes, and a costly things which only my friend Edmund Gray can afford, or the king himself.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a great crime to have stolen
[SPEAKER_03]: I see I could picture you with like a really thin pencil mustache when you were reading that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the interesting thing with this is because like they think that this person based on the writing stuff is like someone from the past.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, my brain goes to, it's like, well, there's two options from this.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's either that there's a ghost in the machine, like there's a spear at like a culture guy's of this person who inhabited the house and is now communicating through this computer.
[SPEAKER_02]: which is a like in a good theory.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, the theory that I like even better is that there's an 1800s weird guy living in this house who just shows up in such a computer.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, what is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: He starts hitting the keys.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, no!
[SPEAKER_02]: It's typing this out, you figures it out, how to use it and it's just sending messages to the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the version of this story that I choose to live in.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do not like that the ghost writes in this computer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the theory of the computer shows up.
[SPEAKER_02]: The computer somehow is, well, break it in space and time.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that would be what is described later kind of a situation that's kind of going on.
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, the grammar that's used in the messages is pretty unusual and remarkable.
[SPEAKER_06]: Can kind of things like this is what gives them their first clue that they see.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, they read these messages and they're like, yeah, this sounds like somebody who's like speaking from the past, you know, using mine and dying and all of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so you're kind of using like this is this is 18th century, something else for 15th, 16th century.
[SPEAKER_06]: So the like the ladies.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so Ken is company kind of like on a lark decide that they're going to reply to the message they figure, um, they, I think they made, like, they, you know, and I think this is just come to the things that it's like, it's like a beachy board.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like a beachy board.
[SPEAKER_06]: That kind of like, yeah, they're like, we would just see what happens, you know, and it's not the interesting thing is it's like,
[SPEAKER_02]: For them, it's not like they have the internet then, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Nineteen eight four.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no internet or anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, the options are it's either someone in the house or something fucking weird is happening because someone would have to actually interact with that computer to do this and not like physically interact with the computer, but also like know what to do in a time where not a lot of people knew what to do with computers.
[SPEAKER_06]: So they kind of like they create a new file and I think they I think they marked either it's the kind of a dressed it to LW And they said in their response is other response that they're like, well, you know, this sounds like something's from them.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, this is yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is a how are we going to find out if this person actually is from the past like we'll tell them like where we're from
[SPEAKER_06]: and kind of give them some information to try to figure out if this is actual person from the past.
[SPEAKER_06]: So they're response, they say, in the reign of Queen Elizabeth II, dear LW, thank you for your message.
[SPEAKER_06]: We are sorry for disturbing you.
[SPEAKER_06]: What would you like us to do?
[SPEAKER_06]: Did you live in a house on this land in about 1620?
[SPEAKER_06]: Do you want us all to tell more about our time?
[SPEAKER_06]: Why write a poem?
[SPEAKER_06]: Who is Edward Gray?
[SPEAKER_06]: Is he related to the Egritton family?
[SPEAKER_06]: is the King James, is the King James or Charles Stewart, who was in charge of the house, was the village Dottleston in your life, and how many families lived here.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you very much for your messages.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you for not making us afraid.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ken Debra and John.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did I listen?
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been around enough chat rooms as a teenager to know that in like two more tax exchanges, they're sexting.
[SPEAKER_03]: 100% like the right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: What did they call it?
[SPEAKER_02]: What did they call in chat rooms before sexting?
[SPEAKER_02]: Were you just be like,
[SPEAKER_06]: That was just sex chat or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, Chad.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a little sculptor.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thanks, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, buddy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember sitting around the room with all your boys, like 13 years old, getting a little sex chat going on with someone.
[SPEAKER_00]: So funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably another group of groups of friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what's happening here.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where this is going.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just this is headed.
[SPEAKER_03]: The time travel is time traveling.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they... What do you mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean?
[SPEAKER_06]: What do you mean?
[SPEAKER_06]: That would go to Luke and then the next one would be Ken one that would be two from Ken to Luke Like it was it's kind of goofy.
[SPEAKER_06]: How they they create these like separate files to each one and What comes out the details that they do get is that he's living in a house on the site of Metacodage during Henry the 8th marriage to Katherine Parr at some point between 1543 and 1547 is what they conclude Which means the computer is time traveling
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and I think you talked about like they're like, how are you communicating, how are you using this computer?
[SPEAKER_06]: And the guy is just saying that this thing, this box with lights is what he calls it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think there's like, there's a certain turn that he uses.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, can Devil's lights or something?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's something like that, but there's like, it's like, I don't know, there's like a,
[SPEAKER_06]: I think like a historic kind of term that he used to wear, but yeah, it's basically the devil's lights or something like that, but he says it just kind of pops up and then he drops the bomb they says, I kind of I seen you interacting with it.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I can figure it out.
[SPEAKER_06]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: he's he's saying that he can see them at some points like he's able to see them or some fucking weird like time bubble going on here where it's like it's there's some weird thinning of something going on where it's like you people in this house are seeing and experiencing each others.
[SPEAKER_02]: like realities at the same time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's like, so is the, is the past or the computer is it just like floating there?
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, dude, he sounds like in the, dude, from something like where he's going to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is a lot of ghosts because we always think of ghosts as people like things in the past, but based on this guy's description of what's happening is like he's seeing them as ghosts, because they don't notice him, but he can see them and they're like ghosts for him, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: interacting with this fucking thing like future goes.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And every time time line, different times.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's just like, yeah, this is crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is my house.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these, there's these, I can see these people.
[SPEAKER_06]: and they're just laying on your elbows.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then apparently Lucas can also communicate by using poltergeist stuff because they're saying that he can, he signs his name, like a number of times, like on that brick pillar where the cat food tin said originally.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like the movie ghost.
[SPEAKER_02]: He can see the cat food tin's and for the first little while he, he can't do anything with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, oh, I can stack him now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I can, I can actually manipulate their reality.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just checked the chat.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's almost like a fucking strange jab of that and now I can't see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's half your legs.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's so low.
[SPEAKER_05]: Kill you, Khalil.
[SPEAKER_03]: His leg is too perfect.
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, they would correspond with Lucas for months, it kind of goes on and then so it goes back and forth for a number of chapters in the book when I was reading it.
[SPEAKER_06]: But it's like they have a lot of things they find out a lot of Lucas' daily life and his things like he enjoyed brewing ale from barley.
[SPEAKER_06]: He visited.
[SPEAKER_06]: A lot of it has to do with like English history, so it's like some of it's out of my, out of my Like my wheelhouse, but just reading a lot about like English history They were trying to figure out and pin him down and be like what where exactly is this guy actually from the past?
[SPEAKER_06]: Does he have knowledge of past events that have already happened?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's seemingly does like that's the thing like they're asking questions and he's giving answers that are they're like That's seeing accurate.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, some of them see accurate and then some of them they said
[SPEAKER_06]: are kind of off, but not off enough to be like, they're off by like a few years or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so that's what the king is like a bunch of stuff and he seems to answer.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and he can't then yeah, accurately and then sometimes he's a face of about other things like it is it is a kind of the kind of going back and forth But at some point during the correspondence A friend of Lucas is or stated as the friend who claims to be a friend of Lucas
[SPEAKER_06]: starts communicating with them because it turns out like Lucas has been arrested and has been held by the local sheriff Sir Thomas Falsherz due to his communications on the light box.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like I either told somebody or somebody thought of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, basically which is what they kind of are holding in my hand and they put him under house arrest.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot of sort of imagine could you imagine they're like, what is this box?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, look at the foot
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, so on the 27th of this, so now that they get even weirder because on the 25 last course, bonded.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, that's what it comes, it kind of comes down to because like Lucas is insurer what's going to happen to him and this and the weird thing is is that a lot of weird things but Ken and his company Debbie and Nick have all become like emotionally attached to Lucas.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like they've all they all have this thing where it's like they're really, at least in the book that it's like they're really worried.
[SPEAKER_06]: about Lucas and his fate like is he going to be burnt at the stake?
[SPEAKER_06]: Is he going to be hanged?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like they're they're really worried and when they're typing out their correspondence to him, they're like, please respond.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let us know if they're okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Burn and people of the stake for way less typing on a magical floating computer.
[SPEAKER_06]: But they're having like a good amount of feedback because they were like on the edge of tears at some points about their worrying about Lucas and like what's gonna happen to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Could you imagine like imagine how innocent these people are in 1984 where they're worried about like some other chatting with those like nowadays we watch people get blown up on our feet really sick.
[SPEAKER_02]: He deserved it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, holy shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've sent four letters to this weird person for the past.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hope he's doing all right.
[SPEAKER_06]: So on the 27th of April, they, they like, there's this.
[SPEAKER_06]: I guess they had gotten a message from Lucas who like in like one of his, I don't know, like one of his before he got arrested or after he got arrested, um, he comes back with a correspondent saying that, you know, I've been typing on this light box that a friend that your friend from 2109 brought, like, it brought the box of lights and they're like,
[SPEAKER_06]: What, but it's he's like, because he says, he says his course why he says, you said your time is 1985.
[SPEAKER_06]: I thought you were also from 2109, like your friend, who bought the box of lights, pray?
[SPEAKER_06]: And they're like, oh, so there was like, who there's another person involved in this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone, someone brought it there.
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, this is before Luke has got arrested.
[SPEAKER_06]: So he drops this bomb and you're like, what?
[SPEAKER_06]: And then he gets arrested.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's because part of me was like I was kind of curious just because of the timeline of these messages where if Like the because of how time is working if these messages are coming in quicker for LW in his time than they are for the people sending it if you know what I mean Like if he's getting them because it seems like I'm like
[SPEAKER_02]: I just have a hard time believing that 1,600 of this guy is going to be typing in this light box for months, but I think this is cool, whereas maybe he's getting these messages for in his time within a day, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's responding to them right away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he goes to tell someone like, that's kind of where my brain goes to because I'm like, I just can't imagine someone in 1600s being able to keep this under wraps from it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the God.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's the dude fucking power box.
[SPEAKER_03]: Back in time from 2100, he's just fucking with the guys in 1980s.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's now back in 1600 or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: He has his computer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Somehow he's got some like conch, like consciousness fucking array that can project it through the ether
[SPEAKER_03]: outside of time itself, and now he just fucking with other timelines because it's hilarious.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, what a shitty computer to that survives the test of time.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you're like.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's, yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_06]: So they have this community.
[SPEAKER_06]: The after Lucas gets arrested.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're communicating with somebody named John, which claims to be Lucas's friend.
[SPEAKER_06]: But then they also get a message from
[SPEAKER_06]: 21-09 and 21-09 writes first what help do you require because they're asking them like they try to respond back and they're like they we'll be want to help Lucas like how can how can we help him you know and like clear his name or prove that we exist like what can we do and this is if you wish to know Lucas Wayneman's true name we can say no
[SPEAKER_06]: more than the man named Peter has it page 26.
[SPEAKER_06]: The person whom you refer to as John is not to be trusted.
[SPEAKER_06]: Also, there is nothing to fear outside man.
[SPEAKER_06]: True, but you are not fully capable of knowing just what man really is.
[SPEAKER_06]: Without knowledge, you have fear with fear, you create your own nightmares.
[SPEAKER_06]: see I don't I don't think this mess is right here.
[SPEAKER_02]: This I don't one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Grim.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no like there's no fam.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no LOLs.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no emojis fucking it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know me like I'm to say this is someone from 2109.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like they should have I would
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess if you were from the future and you knew you were talking to someone in the past, you would probably be conscious.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like would I hit someone up in 1980s with an LLL probably not?
[SPEAKER_06]: You just have an AI right you just have an AI right your email to someone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but can you write this that's some for someone in 1984 so they don't understand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's probably what I would say.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it would probably come out as real dumb.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like really weird like this one.
[SPEAKER_06]: Radical book.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They written the script of tea.
[SPEAKER_03]: How will Bunga turtles?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So they would have this and so now they start corresponding with the the 2109 group because they identify themself as we they don't give like a real name and they just say So it's like a group or a single person.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're not really sure
[SPEAKER_02]: So again, for people who aren't who don't realize like how computers work, this isn't a chat room, this isn't anything, this is basically like having a drive on a computer and then just as you like hit refresh, a new document is there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, every time they would come back like they couldn't, but it just seemed like no one could ever be in the house.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, no one could be in the house at the time.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's what's kind of like what would trigger like it wouldn't happen if everybody was in the house or watching the computer.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like you had to leave and then come back.
[SPEAKER_06]: Normally they would come they would go and they would leave and go do stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: Go to work or.
[SPEAKER_06]: something like that, and they would come back whenever they were borrowing the computer at the time, and they would find the, while they were corresponding, they would find a new file on the, on the computer with, you know, the correspondence message in there.
[SPEAKER_06]: And like I mentioned before, the poltergeist, the poltergeist,
[SPEAKER_06]: activity returned on the 15th of May nine about nine am Debbie says she would she went and dropped a cannon school she returned to find furniture like all of furniture stacks six feet high in a pile and then when she stepped back to like you know get a good view of this like the door slammed the front door slammed like right behind her so it's like so they have all of this stuff is going on so you still have pulled your guys activity kind of going on while you're having all this
[SPEAKER_06]: And I guess it had gotten to such a point that Ken and Debbie were like, on the rocks, like they were yelling at each other.
[SPEAKER_06]: I guess he was saying a couple of times like, you know, yelling, there was a lot of yelling, there's a lot of crying about what they wanted to do with the cottage.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, are we going to move out?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, are we going to sell it?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, what are we doing with this thing?
[SPEAKER_06]: All the while, Ken is also has a hobby of, I guess, like he can see mentions it multiple times.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was a restoring classic Jaguar car.
[SPEAKER_06]: So he's also working on that.
[SPEAKER_06]: like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, the guy's got to have side hop copies, you know?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I guess.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, that's a whole thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Talks about taking to the car.
[SPEAKER_06]: So the shop, different shops, and getting restored and all this is weird.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, pieces of story.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a teacher.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, imagine me a little dual that and a teacher salary.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they do, but they like be a boomer.
[SPEAKER_06]: They do take the, they take the event seriously because it's big, fix up Jaguars.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I got going at the auction for $100 Jaguars.
[SPEAKER_06]: Jaguars, Jaguars, they do get in contact with the society for psychological research, which back then was kind of like their skeptics society, which they wanted to have them come and investigate the phenomenon, you know, to tell them like, hey, we're, like, we're not crazy.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so apparently they came, they had people come when eventually they got arrangements kind of kind of figured out to have some people come there and, you know, they hooked up microphones to see if anybody was coming into the room, they made sure all the doors were taped shut so nobody could get in without, you know, leaving some evidence that they had gone into the room.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the three times that they came, the three occasions that they came,
[SPEAKER_06]: There was no experiences at all.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, there'd nothing happened when they were there.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, every time this stuff happened, basically, all we have to rely on is Ken Webster and his reports.
[SPEAKER_06]: And we, like, full disclosure, like, a lot of this stuff, he says he did, he kind of, a lot of it, he typed up from memory.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, a lot of this stuff comes from memory, because the original floppy disk had gotten lost.
[SPEAKER_06]: He said that a housekeeper or something, had gotten thrown out or something like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: The other times they had had a lot of stuff just got lost like either you just got wiped or whatever But a lot of this stuff is just coming from his memory That if you can choose the OG moon landing footage you can miss please Your course man 16th century now we're talking now we're down on this level
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's when the moon landing conspiracy came back, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Some of some of the mid 80s or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's when they lost the tapes or rode over them they say.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_06]: the uh... it was twenty-one nine the whole time he might think of a landing dates could have been him it could have been Lucas win right aka Thomas foulhurst i think eventually is what they find out that's his real name and they get they can have a there's a funny thing where they they talk about like all white in lukus give us his original name and then they're saying that oh maybe he thought we were actually some kind of like demon or devil and he didn't want to give us his real name so he just gave up
[SPEAKER_02]: or there's like some rules to time traveling and there was some maybe whoever gave Lewis like the blocks to talk on was like, you can't do things to like change the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you can't give you real name, you can't give too much info because any you can whatever choices you make can have a cascading effect on changing things.
[SPEAKER_02]: yeah it gets after after which i mean it seems like kind of crazy because to think about that because the guy from twenty one on nine going back and giving a computer to the guy in the sixteenth hundred would cause some fucking issue yeah after after twenty one on nine the butterfly effect on that it's got to be crazy ashton kutcher waking up from that one he's like oh no thanks for the changed
[SPEAKER_06]: After the after the 21 oh nine group starts corresponding with them.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's no no love for the butterfly effect reference.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, I'm seeing that movie and forever.
[SPEAKER_06]: The They get this it gets really conflated after this point because at this point It can thinks that the group from 21 oh nine is is kind of like miffed that it kind of gets a sense that they they don't want him communicating with Lucas
[SPEAKER_06]: and then they kind of figured that actually that 20-mo and I may be editing some of the messages that Lucas or slash Thomas is sending to them.
[SPEAKER_06]: So they start changing like they develop a system where Lucas starts communicating them with actual paper and charcoal left out for him in the present.
[SPEAKER_06]: So Lucas is somehow able to see and hear Webster in the past.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like yeah, it's really
[SPEAKER_06]: after, like, they come up with these systems that I'm trying to, well, the movie for your understanding.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they like do scratches in the paint.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would be more sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, that's something that that would only Lucas would be able to do to the present that the future would not be able to intercept those messages beforehand.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they like, you know, if you ever find yourself in some sort of weird thing where you're discussing something with a past entity,
[SPEAKER_02]: and you worried that future entities are intercepting your digital communications, you can always work by like scratching something, getting the person in the past like, you know, get that brick and mortar like, you know, scratch some, scratch some designs and bricks, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Leave something for you physically because it has to pass through you before it goes to the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: So those motherfuckers in the future can't do shit, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, it's a whole, it's a elaborate, multi-dimensional Centuries spanning point.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that that's why we write books.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why we write books because those fucking future assholes can't do shit Because the books have to pass through the now before gets to them so they can't they can't fucking any right shit That text right they can't edit that text
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, so the court spot is a continue for another few months, eventually, uh, in Lucas' time, he says that the grosvener family, uh, who is his landlords, demand that he leaves the house.
[SPEAKER_06]: So he's not able to eat, figure she's not going to be able to have access to the light box anymore.
[SPEAKER_06]: So he leaves a final message, um, wishing Webster and all his friends well.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then, and that's pretty much the end of that, or you think it's supposed to be the end.
[SPEAKER_06]: But then, the thing is, is like, in the book, they talk about in the epilogue that they did have another couple of correspondence with the 2109 people to get an explanation about what exactly is happening.
[SPEAKER_06]: And from them, they get this explanation of saying that, you know, what has occurred is a strange,
[SPEAKER_06]: Laylines, and there's a convergence, like they got time for nominal.
[SPEAKER_06]: They say there's like, there's like magnetic laylines that they somehow became in access for for the computer, resonation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Imagine if some of these people that walk away and just vanish, like the truly, truly vanishing, where it's like these people didn't, there's no rhyme or reason for them to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a couple I can think of on the top of my head, like that one guy who just runs away from the airport and just fucking disappears.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I wonder if there's like these weird time phenomena, like as similar as ball lightning, we just kind of step through and you're fucking somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like space time folds on you and you're just like you're like, and now I'm somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, okay, that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you're now fucked wherever you are.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you move, you get moved to the future or anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you're just, you're fucked, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you're just some weird time phenomenon.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what happens in this world.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, we don't know, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some weird fucking wires got crossed.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have no idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just experiencing a weird time phenomenon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Part of me was kind of wondering where if it was like something to do with like, where UFOs are coming.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the areas because we've talked about like UFOs visiting multiple families maybe in a matter of minutes for them, but a lifetime over the family.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or if there's something in the area that's creating this kind of like field and this fucking computer and these people in this house are being affected.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is how you tie it all together.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is all a network network thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Time doesn't have anything to do with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's in a different part of the hard drive, but somehow that we can communicate.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is nothing to do with time and space.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all digital.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all assimilation.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a different version, different realm.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're just, it's, it's uh, we're all, we're all, things get a little weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone drop the conveyor belt.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's got a little scrambled and now the insides are touching something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know what I mean from some of some of some kid put a magnet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some fucking asshole dumped a hole.
[SPEAKER_03]: a whole fucking pint of a NW and fucking rum on the laptop and then the keys are crunching and the keys are crunching and because of the keys are crunching and the circuit board is soaked in fucking sugary syrup.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do this is the perfect 80s plot for this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, someone comes up out and do the plot stuff, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we're a concoction.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it's like, we break something happens in the third, like, right before the third act.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something happens at the laptop, it gets destroyed.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we have to kind of re-concoct the same experiment to get the work in again.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we can warn our friends in the past about what's about to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone's got to bring their laptop.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're happy to start with one and just change the mixture.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, where was it?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was Mountain Dew.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two things of Captain Morgan Spice rum.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two cough drops.
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: The conclusion of the Donaldson messages after they have another sporadic correspondence with 21.9 and then it kind of just it just stopped.
[SPEAKER_06]: I guess they're lost in jerster stuff like that but at least the report in the book is that that's when it ends and then
[SPEAKER_06]: It was like, they just kind of ends.
[SPEAKER_06]: They just like, they stopped getting messages and then so they stopped borrowing the computer and then just nobody.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because what was that I remember reading about, there was like a supernatural like research group or something like I'd involved in it and then that was the cyclical research that I mentioned.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and like the friends kind of, so it's like, if they're pranking, it's kind of like they're all or nothing because they're all either all involved in the sprank.
[SPEAKER_02]: or a hoax or none of them are because they like from some of the readings I did is like they would actually like make sure at times like they were all gone together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, before to come back because they, they had actually suspected each other of doing this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So then it was this weird thing where they're like, hey, could that be possibly that someone's like breaking in and doing this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like at our house, like these weird scenarios, but then they're not stealing anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just literally coming in to fucking type documents on a computer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that would be very strange.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, the fact it's like that, so I had to know how to compare it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because it's like, can, can only taught like Nick, how to use it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I got Nick and probably to be to you actually use it enough.
[SPEAKER_06]: But like, yeah, it's like you actually back then you had to like train somebody on the computer.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it was like, it wasn't it, but like, it wasn't it's a lot more difficult.
[SPEAKER_06]: I get to kind of do it with the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: People say the hoax because the, if it's from like the 16th century English, like old English, the way it was written, they had, they've had like language experts say,
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not how it would be written in Old English.
[SPEAKER_03]: Therefore, someone read a book and they tried their best.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, there's people who study language of different errors and they're experts in how it is, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think if you know, I don't know enough about it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if they weren't specific 16th century English history to kind of go back and go through things.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, the book has a bunch of great books back in that survived scholars.
[SPEAKER_02]: This guy, LW, was just a fucking lame, and you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, this doesn't sound like the fucking scholars of the show.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, he was out lame, and he went to university.
[SPEAKER_06]: He went to, he says in the thing, he says the way he did go to a university.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: He is a learning man.
[SPEAKER_03]: He went to like Jesus College or something.
[SPEAKER_06]: What was that called?
[SPEAKER_06]: Jesus.
[SPEAKER_06]: Jesus College or something.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, I think that was, they said that they, there wasn't actually a Jesus thing, there's some explanations that they put in like post, like post that'd be in like, oh, he threw some of these things in here to try, because he thought we were hoaxing him.
[SPEAKER_06]: So he would give them like fake information to be like if they actually were from the future, something like that, like that's what they, it's kind of a trick in the sand.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they just trying to say like, he knew that there's no Jesus college, but he told us it was Jesus college, and then it's see if we actually believed him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so it's kind of, did you think I can explain what I'm saying about the whole thing stuff they say like oh they got like a historical facts wrong Which is like if you're hoaxing why would you get the simplest thing wrong if you're hoaxing?
[SPEAKER_06]: He can't go to the library and check it like it instantaneously.
[SPEAKER_06]: So maybe there's just right enough the top of their head, you know Yeah, but you think if you're trying to pull a good hope.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, if you're trying to pull a good hoax you would do your research But if you're just fucking around and you wouldn't know I guess
[SPEAKER_06]: Library wasn't open I down bank holiday Sunday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's always a bank holiday from the banks Yeah, I don't it's it's it's weird one for me because I'm like I want to say it's like a it's a hoax, but I'm like it would have to be perpetrated by the whole group of who doesn't know and was seemingly skeptic or like it's so it's just like a weird frequency phenomenon where you're like
[SPEAKER_02]: I just can't even 16 hundredths guy fucking had a computer that's like so much of Chris Well, they had titers like hand-type brainers In the 1600s
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: They had tight breath.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not 16.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no fucking way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe a printing press.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't remember.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're printing presses invented.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, they had a printing press, but that everybody had this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I guess, I guess you could, like, the whole of the home typewriter was not till.
[SPEAKER_03]: But early concept, 1714.
[SPEAKER_03]: So similar.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're still a little earlier.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what you're seeing is, is that this guy may have shown people this box, and then
[SPEAKER_03]: Or they thought it was really instructing a tech like they dropped a fucking right fiber optics and all that other stuff They started and well, this is well after I guess I don't know it's confusing like it's the person from 21-09 They would have the technology to go back in time I just why it is a person into the honestly the concerning thing for me and the future of the human civilization is that somehow That's a good computer to bring back
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, where are we at?
[SPEAKER_02]: 2109 that we're back to like, I like a fucking MS dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see micro computers.
[SPEAKER_03]: But these computers are terrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fundamentally, the same as modern computers that is a million times slower.
[SPEAKER_06]: Everybody's on Linux and the future.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because like, if you like these are digital computers, so they have like all the same like circuitry, it's just like obviously very elementary to what we have now.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like, but it's not like, it's like an animal.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of computer and someone's like turning gears inside of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, it's not like they're throwing on to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, they're not, you know, like, if I was 21 and I'd go back, get a fucking cool crossed generational fucking arc Raiders trio going, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's either, it's an elaborate, elaborate prank, hoax.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, you know, a time slip.
[SPEAKER_03]: a consciousness in the future, don't use emojis.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, they love to write an old English, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, pretend there's a watch about the perturbation.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a suitable messaging.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he was the one of the questions I want to ask you guys, like, say something like this happened to you because I was like, thinking about this as a hoax and it's so hard to believe this and it's like imagine you were trapped in the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: You wake up this morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: You go for a hike in the woods and you step through something and all of a sudden you're in the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like how and you can communicate with the past.
[SPEAKER_02]: how do you how are you trying to let people know that you're trapped or something's wrong and you're like you have you like I don't know I have this weird power I'm not in 2026 anymore I'm in 2080 but I can communicate somehow like phones are working but I can't you know I don't know what to do like how would you try to make people believe you I mean take a picture
[SPEAKER_06]: obviously is from the future and then like you get a newspapers and I mean depends on what you should say this is in the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: This guy that's what this guy on TikTok is doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe some.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I believe so.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a gift fake.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fake AI.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fucking, and he's like, there's videos of him being like, I feel towered, no one's here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm stuck.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what to do and you're I'm like part of me as I'm like I'm like yeah, this is he's fake and this is pretty good, but another part of me goes What if man, could you imagine how could you imagine what a fucking haunting existence that would be where you're just like there is no help
[SPEAKER_02]: No one believes me.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is not a chance I'll ever get anyone to believe.
[SPEAKER_06]: Just have a lot of questions to be like, how are you living?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, where's the current, like, what currency are you using there?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, how much, like, you'd have to, like, It's just so many things to get there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Talked, he's like the only person that there's no one around.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, then I'd be like, how do I know you're in the future?
[SPEAKER_06]: You're just stuck in some other dimension and, like, however you got there, that's how you're gonna have to get back.
[SPEAKER_06]: So sorry.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's how I can do about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean it's a cool case.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a 50-50.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have no idea on this one.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a big.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's the guy eating it?
[SPEAKER_06]: There's nobody there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, what the fuck?
[SPEAKER_06]: What's he eating?
[SPEAKER_06]: If there's nobody there in the future?
[SPEAKER_02]: The ones I saw when he saw he was at a grocery store and he was showing the packages and everything's expired.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like
[SPEAKER_06]: documents like get lost at disk they lost they lost the original disk they had the the first stuff in it like a lot of stuff they said it was like written from memory um those things you're kind of like okay so you guys were like super emotionally involved like you were on the verge of tears when Lucas was getting arrested and his correspondence you're like he's going to jail and telling you guys I don't know if I ever see you again and you guys are like
[SPEAKER_06]: taking long drives and crying about it in the car.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a considerable time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you the judge them for then losing the floppy disks?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty sure there was fucking tear shed when the fucking they walked on the moon.
[SPEAKER_02]: They had no problem losing those.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was like, yeah, but you have the, but it's not like you have the, you have an organization that is in charge of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's just you.
[SPEAKER_06]: You have, it is very less, there's less room for less points of failure there, you know.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's just like you three people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm happy to listen.
[SPEAKER_02]: They weren't, they listened.
[SPEAKER_04]: How many floppy disks you still have, Dan?
[SPEAKER_04]: Because I don't have any correspondence from the past and from the 16th century if you have, how would you know, maybe it's maybe it's the floppy drive itself.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is the right thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So whatever the tech we had was like if we, that's why they got rid of the like we can't have these people talking to the people in the future in the past.
[SPEAKER_03]: That weird plastic disc and that slidey metal clip at the top.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was the magic connection.
[SPEAKER_06]: Something.
[SPEAKER_06]: Some guarantee they're still computers in the US government that run on floppy disk.
[SPEAKER_03]: they still keep like paper records, yeah, oh, yeah, you know, some.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's still, there's still some systems, I think, and like, I remember that run on older, like, weight, like, windows me, like, they still were, you got like, we lost all the files down to the vault every day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, awesome.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, great stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, smart and awake is, yeah, it's coming.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they know something.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's coming.
[SPEAKER_02]: The, the fucking singularity's
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to vaporize all our knowledge.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyways, anything else on the Dottleson?
[SPEAKER_03]: Messages?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's fucking screwed.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to read a few beauties here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Give me a second.
[SPEAKER_03]: I closed the by accident.
[SPEAKER_02]: These people have unlocked.
[SPEAKER_02]: These people have unlocked the lower half of my stream here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you want to also unlock the lower half of the stream,
[SPEAKER_02]: Full frontal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Full frontal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to read down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Take a little snail coming out of his shell.
[SPEAKER_03]: I might have read some of these before, but I haven't figured out a way to really check.
[SPEAKER_03]: Once the month rolls over, he's no, it's harder.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're like, but last week was also January, but this is February, and Patron just does not sort to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: So anyways, these beauties went to patreon.com.
[SPEAKER_03]: They searched for anything that he was theorizing.
[SPEAKER_03]: They supported the show, they're getting all the goodies.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got Justin Glambrorn, Yolanda,
[SPEAKER_03]: Carlitos, Joe Duggen, Trevor, Mencarvus, and Nick Chubar, actually, I do remember.
[SPEAKER_02]: You remember Red Chubar?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I got Red twice though, it's great last one.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think every month we always... And as we always say, the only things keep those eyes on my thighs.
[SPEAKER_02]: See you later.