[SPEAKER_03]: Hello everyone and welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole with Quark Dax and their good friends, Tom and Harry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your hosts for today are my fellow trick actors.
[SPEAKER_00]: Terry Farrell.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was just going to ask you that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you serious?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but this is if you're, if you have a different team.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know how to get different prizes?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The prize is everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you like my pronunciation of your name?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I did.
[SPEAKER_00]: I gave it a little bit of a message.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was a bit of a Mediterranean.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a Robert Duncan McNeil.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I was trying to like, I was rolling the R. Do a little kind of a given little random euro, a little European judge.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can you give me that?
[SPEAKER_03]: or a Norwegian or a Danish.
[SPEAKER_00]: You would rather than.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm half Irish.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Terry, would you like me to speak from Northern Ireland or Southern Ireland?
[SPEAKER_00]: Not sure where you want me to be from County Clark or.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm from seriously.
[SPEAKER_00]: What can I call it?
[SPEAKER_03]: My grandmother's, yes, my grandmother, Feral's family.
[SPEAKER_03]: She was a steward.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she was part of, I have to look it up again.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they were part of, what is it when you're part of the plan?
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, no, no, like the people that come in that aren't royalty, but they are the court.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, they are part of the court.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's so big deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the family name was Stuart, is what you said spelled ST-E-W-A-R-T?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that correct?
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I have to look.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm supposed to Irish.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, they mixed around a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, of course they did look how tiny it was Fair you look so nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you see how the tiffers look at the look at the little I got a thing on a jacket on a terrace dress for cocktail.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, this is a good and see these are things you can see if you're a Patreon.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the prizes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, at one level, you get to watch us and see what we're wearing.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are the cool things that come with.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm feeling membership.
[SPEAKER_00]: A little spicy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a sticker on her coffee mug there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Apple.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're ready to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we look good.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're feeling good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to talk about a very spiritual episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Before we jump into that, let's talk about birthdays.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Starting with on February 13th, Lee Lyle, Lee happy, happy birthday to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lee, happy birthday to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, February 13th, it's popular today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: February 13th has a lot of Delta Flyers birthdays, but Lee, we wish you a very, very happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Paul Johnston, February 13th.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think 13 is a lucky number.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sending you so many wonderful birthday greetings.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, Paul.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have a great birthday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday, Paul.
[SPEAKER_00]: 13th, a very, very significant number in Taylor Swift's life as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have one more birthday.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm February 13th.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is rich growth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rich growth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, Rich.
[SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday, Rich.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, Rich.
[SPEAKER_01]: Woohoo.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have, this is a worldwide kind of international podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is, this is for us everywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have true influences from all over the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: European Asian continent has represented by listeners of the Delta Fliers.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's covered everywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every continent, wonderful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every planet, really.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really, really, really.
[SPEAKER_03]: Every planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is not just a thing to think to this podcast, it's really, yes, it's got fans all over.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Vulcan, Frankanar, Cardass, yeah, all those planets.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Frankies are lost in this podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know what they do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, a popular drink in our respect, the Franky culture on this podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm a big fan of Frankies.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are we up for poems?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: OK, let's go with the Plumric Robbie.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I've got a little limerick here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm feeling good these days with my limerick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, here we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Federation came knocking at the door with treaties and welcomes galore.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Cisco cried, no Benjamin had a veto.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the emissary has changed the score.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Very nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bam, bam, bam.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're so effortless now.
[SPEAKER_00]: They flow well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, well, I'm not doing the whole plot anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've given up on that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I didn't do the whole plot either.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't do that anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 100% you doing these at this point correct?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Haven't they always?
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you applying?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're applying at the very beginning, the very beginning, Robbie would get stumped.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the Master Limerick, the Master Limerick writer, aka Rebecca, will come in and just, oh my god, Rebecca can do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rebecca can do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is pretty remarkable.
[SPEAKER_03]: She can do this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Say,
[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of my favorite people in the planet.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's not pretty awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: She really is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, she's so smart and kind.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's grounded and she's respectful.
[SPEAKER_03]: Very good being impatient.
[SPEAKER_00]: And very good at Limerick's.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in the very beginning, when Robbie hit a speed bump, in came Team Rebecca, and it was amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she isn't dumb.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't dumb.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'll hand one off to her.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just for fun, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get her back in the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would like to say that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's my high coup for Rapture.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cisco inspired searching for ancient city visions no longer.
[SPEAKER_00]: How, or maybe, you know, he was so bummed when he woke up and realized he could.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was a tour de force for every Brooks and, uh, Benjamin system.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He got to act this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a quite impressive.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: My poem for Rapture, a curiosity blossoms to obsession, answers to the universe in question, throwing caution to the wind for a spiritual awakening within.
[SPEAKER_03]: on the precipice of death he fights.
[SPEAKER_03]: The prophets need him and his might.
[SPEAKER_03]: Reunited with his family to move on and the cool cat sings his jazz song.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, that's even more than a poem.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like a solidically.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was, that was, that's like a Shakespearean song.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, she sounded to us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I saw it in a year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you sounded to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he was, he was in a better space at the very end with Cassidy and his son.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was that little moment, but then when he grabbed her hand,
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the nonscharacter said maybe I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was her.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll get to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But we'll get to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that he maybe, oh, maybe it was Louise Fletcher.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's all the profits had for him at this time.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that really made sense to me because he was forcing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was really the profits gave a gift of vision.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the plan.
[SPEAKER_03]: You just get that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't need more right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we need you to be alive so we can give you another.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, chance at vision.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that made a lot of sense to me, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Teleplay by Hans Bymla.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just have to pronounce that the German way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hans Bymla.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hans Bymla is the teleplay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Story is by L. J.
[SPEAKER_00]: Strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a new name.
[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't seen it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think I've heard that before.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now,
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was a great story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
[SPEAKER_00]: Directed by our good friend, Jonathan West, the director.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's another episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you were impressed with this property.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, really well done.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Guestars, Penny Johnson, as Penny Johnson.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's not Penny Johnson, Gerald.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one, Penny Johnson.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Penny Johnson.
[SPEAKER_00]: As Cassidy Yates, Ernest Perry Jr. As Admiral Charlie Wattley.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was a good, like the guest cast getting folded in, uh, I thought was really great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Penny back there, having Louise come back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Ernest Perry, as, as Wattley was great, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I loved his, his dynamic with Cisco.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, you felt really like they had it passed and history there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or that they worked together.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I wonder if every nose him personally.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because they had really good energy together.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But before we get into it, let's just say one thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first thing we notice in the very first scene, Robbie, is that there's a new uniform happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a bit of the trivia that I had.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just to start talking about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was happy about those.
[SPEAKER_00]: So those were because like hurdles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those were basically the same uniforms introduced in the feature film, Star Trek First Contact.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they actually waited to introduce
[SPEAKER_00]: until they waited for the, the movie to actually come out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once the movie released, then they were like, okay, we can show this uniform.
[SPEAKER_00]: The reason why Voyager didn't have this uniform is because we were stuck in the Delta Quadrant, and we didn't copy it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're stuck with our old uniform.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it interests 100%.
[SPEAKER_03]: That would be weird if you say.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be super weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So really, I wonder, I wonder though, if
[SPEAKER_03]: Why did they just start your show?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, we started already.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we already left.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: See, they should have left space between each show, like two years or years between each show.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: That would have been helpful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: For a lot of reasons.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say I wonder if Bob Blackman designed the costumes for the movie for first contact.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, he probably knew.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to guess that it was him because yeah, I think he used as many people as they could.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not all of them, which upset some of them, of course, but a lot of them did cross over to the films.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I just want to talk briefly about this uniform.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's cool in that, you know, before Robbie, the old uniforms, it's the black lower half and then the upper quarter is the gold red or blue for, you know, the different departments.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's everyone's uniform gray and it's the undershirt that is a color, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So now they've relegated the color to be more minimal and everything's more uniform across.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you just see a little bit of the color in where the neck is.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the actual upper area, everyone shares that same gray.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's black gray and then the color happens up here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know how you guys like the love.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love Dave Reeves jacket.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like wearing it better because it wasn't wool.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it wasn't like you'd get Because a lot of the scratchy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but was it hotter?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it almost looked just the way bigger.
[SPEAKER_00]: Quilty or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Normally, nominally, I don't remember that being a big.
[SPEAKER_00]: a big deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think everybody looked better in them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like their conditioners on your stages worked better than on our stage because I remember when I went to your stage it always seemed cold to me and when on our stage it was very uneven some days was very cold some days wasn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why that is but yours
[SPEAKER_03]: yours was well I don't know I think on this set though it was always super hot because they definitely turned off the air conditioning when we were filming of course of course so it would be depend I think on the shooting day yeah that's true you know and I mean if they're long scenes and the air conditioners off for like an hour and a half
[SPEAKER_03]: then it starts to get, especially in the summer, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember filming on your stages on seven for Enterprise, the series Enterprise, when I directed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember noticing a difference on that stage that, oh, it's cooler.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Enterprise also had some of their swing sets and their sick bay and things like that was on stage eight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Our stage.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and that was always when we went to film over there and enterprise that was like, oh, yeah, I remember this stay We were four or 17 and 18.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was four of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe what we're talking about Yeah, whatever stage what ever stage your ops on the very end.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, promenade was the promenade on the same stage
[SPEAKER_03]: No, promenade was on 17 and our planet hell was 18 was 17 next to four.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know why, but it was and five was across from four.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Robby, when we walked out of stage eight and looked across and we saw Russ, the security coverage security guard for the United States, four, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: When you guys walk up, yeah, that's four.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's lawn work.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was the cold super cold.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think the promenade, too, because why it was cool, was because everything was open.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it was so big.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think what would get hot, we were shooting there, but you could walk out into the promenade and at least have some residue of cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so in the very first scene, we're in the ward room, and there's a painting that Cisco Dax and Kira are studying.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very important, but you're in painting.
[SPEAKER_01]: We learned in the
[SPEAKER_01]: 20,000 years ago, and it's the most important but your an icon ever painted.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's proof that this very important city of Baha'ala actually existed, this painting proves it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They believe, and they've been waiting for the Kardashians to release this painting.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've been holding on to it since the occupation started.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're looking at it and Cisco is just amazed by this thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's fascinated by it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They talk about this Buntaka Spire.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's like this obelisk in this beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: It reminded me of like
[SPEAKER_01]: the pyramids or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: This whole story and kind of Egyptian kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, with a waterfall behind it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's only a painting of an old Egyptian city, you know, some mythical city or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, this is a Bantaka Spire and ancient Bajoran cities were built around these spires.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were very important.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were about 11
[SPEAKER_01]: so perfectly that they didn't need any cement or mortar or anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's very impressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very impressive, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's like a pyramid as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is.
[SPEAKER_03]: That we don't even have the tools to cut it the way they did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like how would they do it?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why people think aliens came down and built them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which they probably did.
[SPEAKER_00]: probably.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm I'm just with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just realized something.
[SPEAKER_00]: The city, the ancient last city of Baha'la now makes me think of the North of Valhalla.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just came out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh, just now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was so in my head from the beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was not.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're Vikings.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're from Viking.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys are.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe there you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's in your genetics.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we do learn in this scene, though, that there was a prophecy that says, only someone who is touched by the prophets will ever find the ruins of Belhorn.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was kind of important.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Dax's line at the end there, where she's like, turns to Cisco, no pressure.
[SPEAKER_01]: he takes that well too yeah he does and it's a nice transition here Mr. Jonathan West director because we're kind of looking at the painting and then he cut to a computer image of the painting because he had it scanned and that was the transition into his quarters as he sort of studies it so it was a very elegant transition that John
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's got a scan on his monitor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great low angle shot of Cisco looking at the file, the sort of tube of memory tube or whatever they put the file.
[SPEAKER_03]: That took me a second to put together because I really noticed it a little later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, did it look like I loved you?
[SPEAKER_03]: It did, I thought, why is it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that his blood is green now?
[SPEAKER_03]: or is it green yeah it's green and so I was thinking oh my gosh well anyway yeah looks like it looks like a little bit cool too but not a memory tube because it's a liquid in it yeah it was a little which is different for us rather it doesn't ruin it but but we don't felt like I should have known what that was right yeah but that's that's cardassian tech though correct that's why they use those tubes like wind on the way that's right
[SPEAKER_00]: on Voyager.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have Isolinear chips.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything for us is chips.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have any two, but that's Cardassian.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like on the Enterprise.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's looking at this painting or the scan of the painting.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's really kind of obsessed with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He takes the file that has the copy on it with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't he take a copy of that to put it into quarks, Hollis Wheat?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the whole right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it takes a copy of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it takes the copy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we cut to the Hollis Wheat and he's put it in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's got this hollow obelisk there.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's reconstructed.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's trying to reconstruct the backside, because they can't see it on the painting.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he made 70% smaller and then he asked it to superimpose the reflection from the waterfall and reversed the image and clarified it and it was like a big difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is about difference, but I have to nitpick for a second here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is the move that basically pushes him towards finding the exact coordinates of this city.
[SPEAKER_00]: In 20,000 years, no one has been able to look at that photo and go, hey, there's a reflection in the water.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me reverse it and you have to be touched by the profits.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a profit and he's smarter than they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I wanted to something different.
[SPEAKER_00]: It did seem like an easy, it was too quick.
[SPEAKER_03]: We all have to let some of these things fly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise, we wouldn't have any stories.
[SPEAKER_03]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also our computers are probably much better than what they have down on them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you could have put that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: That, Terry.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll buy that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, buy that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Our computers must be way more expensive than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Faster.
[SPEAKER_00]: Possibly, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why they want to be part of the Federation.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got toys.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got good toys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Quark shows up and says it's three a.m. You've been here for hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's three in the morning.
[SPEAKER_01]: He offers Cisco a pleasure maze program.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_01]: With a surprise at the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's always this surprise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Always a surprise in the old pleasure maze.
[SPEAKER_01]: cork has the pleasure maze programs in the hall suite he also has in the last episode didn't he have the Vulcan romance novel yes you know what it's not that he has those things it's that he's so gross about how he describes it it's very blunt
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Quark is pushing the pleasure maze, but Cisco's not interested.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's safe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tells a computer to end and save the program, and then when he goes over to pull the, I guess, my memory.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember to go on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets zapped and he falls back on the ground and he's got static electricity going all over his body when he's on the ground.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was for it's nice for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I like that court was like immediately computer cork to infirmary medical emergency and how will sweet for it was like then his dev totally shifted.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's a hero.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a big hero.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a hero.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: the next scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: Quark hasn't been doing his maintenance on all of his hollows sweets.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it really, yeah, Oda thinks it's quarks fault, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then quark blames chief of Brian.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because a Brian is told to take in his best hollow sweet fixer, Rome, and kept him on these upgrading sensor jobs.
[SPEAKER_01]: So quark is blaming
[SPEAKER_01]: Otto is just not moved at the end of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tell it to the magistrate.
[SPEAKER_01]: He arrests work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Poor Quark.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's always getting in trouble.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel bad for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we cut to the Emperor next.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't feel better?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, because he gets himself into these masses.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if he would change his behavior, maybe people would trust him a little more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he was a hero in the last
[SPEAKER_03]: mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hork climbed to the top of Mount Everest basically to save Odo's life.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love it when he has those moments because they're really powerful because how his character is so opposite.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like when he had the thing with Pell, it was so powerful.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we cut to the infirmary, Cisco's recovering in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's very calm, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, he's on drugs or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bashir asked him if the colors seem brighter.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Cisco says, oh, yes, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he looks at the file of the painting.
[SPEAKER_01]: At the end, he's staring at this file.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just very obsessed, very interested in this.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the tube that's green where I find, oh my gosh, is that his blood?
[SPEAKER_03]: But he also says that everything looks brighter.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did like this shot though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I'm going to shout out to Jonathan West because it starts out on Bashir, kind of pulls back to reveal the two shot and then it pushes into Cisco as he's just obsessed with this this two.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Bashir is behind him out of focus talking, but our story is all about Cisco when he's advancing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that was really very well done, Jonathan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very well done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good job.
[SPEAKER_03]: Beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco's quarters next, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: James Cook, the dinner.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the towel over his shoulder.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he's so wonderful in the scene, isn't he?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's so wonderful and so tall.
[SPEAKER_01]: So tall.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's still not at his full height.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what's incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nog was back in the last episode, and when you see how much it's been a while since Nog's been on the show, it It's like doubled the height difference.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wait till he's six four.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, six three six three six four.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't matter He's total.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco loved dinner and Jake says that dad has to cook tomorrow because Cassidy hates is coming back and we
[SPEAKER_01]: We hear she's been in prison for six months.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake thinks she's paid her debt to society here and done her time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And but Siska seems not very interested.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still distracted by this painting.
[SPEAKER_03]: can I say something?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, please.
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course I can.
[SPEAKER_03]: It reminds me of the closing counters.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: When Richard Dryfiss is doing the mashed potatoes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And when Avery's, he's not just playing with his food.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's actually cutting out.
[SPEAKER_00]: shapes and the shapes on his plate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good thing you're calling me at that moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that was intended by the writers as an homage to the famous Matthew.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's in the notes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right on the note.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The 1977 Steven Spielberg close encounters of the third kind.
[SPEAKER_00]: That film, and that scene exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you called that perfectly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, great job.
[SPEAKER_03]: Got telegraphed to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, great, great connection there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also, the interesting, my little takeaway from this is that Cassidy Yates had a prison sentence of six months.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gerek also had a prison sentence of six months.
[SPEAKER_00]: So six months seems to be the standard prison sentence.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's Starfleet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Starfleet to just, yeah, you get six.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you get a speeding ticket, six months.
[SPEAKER_00]: overdue library book six months.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the way it works and start playing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, at the end of this scene, Cisco does say these shapes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's looking at the food.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's cut up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know what they are.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's starting to piece together, whatever this.
[SPEAKER_01]: The obsession is about, and we go to the halls, back to the hall of sweet, great Jonathan West, just knocking on the park.
[SPEAKER_01]: This crane shot over the obelisk, as Dax makes a call to Cisco.
[SPEAKER_01]: She says sorry to disturb you, but Admiral Watley is calling from Starfleet headquarters.
[SPEAKER_03]: and Wattley says the Bajorans have been approved to join the Federation.
[SPEAKER_03]: So appearing for them all to visit.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been five and a half years.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've been waiting for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a whole reason why he was sent to this posting was to make sure that the Bajorans make it into the Federation.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now we're, as we forgot that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a big deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've been so busy working.
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't paid attention to the big picture.
[SPEAKER_00]: the whole mission.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you guys remember it was Picard that very first episode of Picard is sitting in the office with Benjamin Cisco and he says, you know, no matter what, you've got to make sure a bad joy enters into this Federation.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, so that was the first time they're whole assignment and that that's what makes this even more shocking that Cisco is not really interested in that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's so distracted with this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's obsessed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we cut into quarks, um, quark hushes all the customers, which I thought was very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's so cute.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a spotlight up on the banner, the double girl.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so excited.
[SPEAKER_01]: So excited.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like drum roll, please.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the double roll.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm really going to drum roll.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the double girls let the banner fall.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a cling on banner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is the wrong one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Warf is behind Quark and says, Welcome, Klingons, and then Quark turns around and he's horrified.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he goes, not that banner this one and goes behind the bar.
[SPEAKER_03]: He hops up.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like he's just a kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: He hops up grabs the other one and lets it go and he's.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other one is going to stop his joy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's very proud to throw that banner.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of pissing a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the clings on banner is like massive massive 15 feet long and then the Butjorm banners like me
[SPEAKER_00]: And they should have had a cutaway where he's like, that's bigger than I remember it before they unfurled it because it's like you should have seen the difference in size and know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my goodness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Daxon worth comment that he seems very, very happy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quarks as yes, I am that there's going to be more traffic in the bar and more traffic means more info on things that I shouldn't know, which I thought was very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Giro shows up.
[SPEAKER_01]: She joins them.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's still pregnant, but I think Garrett, we were talking about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fake at this point, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because she's had a baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, because it was, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she's got her fake pregnancy going in the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: She admits here that she used to not want a daughter to be part of Starfleet, but now she's after five years working with
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco and everything and starfleet she's a believer basically she's like yeah I think this will be good I think this will be really great and she wants to congratulate the captain asked where he is He's in the hall suite and then I like how Clark walks by and assures her I fixed it
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not going to get shocked again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I fixed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go inside the whole suite.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kira is just mesmerized by this obelisk.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Cisco's frozen kind of in a like a trance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's hard to play that as a actor too.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he did a very good job of being in the trance and being out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did a great job in this whole episode, I thought.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, wonderful elegant performance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she shakes him to sort of get his get him back to reality.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is when we realize that he's having visions now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That plasma, whatever that strike that he went through, kind of, that was like the spark plug to begin the visions.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he was actually in Baha'la.
[SPEAKER_00]: during the Peldor festival, seeing the people.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's while he was in that trance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he transported to the past and it was the vision.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was so vivid and so clear.
[SPEAKER_00]: But now, I mean, he's literally obsessed with this right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and Kira is saying, no, you were dreaming.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he says, no, I was there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could smell the burning.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where do they?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if that's bad or red.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bad or red?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, those things those things the burning Bajoran leaves But the wormhole the orbs and the coming war with the dominion and It was describing this like this is right up Avery's alley.
[SPEAKER_01]: It sends to me and it's
[SPEAKER_01]: it's like the jazz music that he loves.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of, he's like, he falls in line with who he is as a person and how he communicates with people.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think he really was connecting with this story for Benz's go throughout.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a moment where you really feel him playing with this describing the sensory experience with it all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he was really there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this sort of reminded when he says Kira says you could see the future as well as the past he is for one moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could see the pattern that held it all together, which then reminded me of Tom Paris when he broke warp 10.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, everywhere the amazing episode threshold that is so beloved by the fans.
[SPEAKER_00]: But do you agree Robbie?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because in threshold, you become omnipotent in a way.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know everything, you're everywhere in the same time, so.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I tried to describe that to people, you know, or Tom Peris did, tried to describe that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember loving the opportunity as an actor.
[SPEAKER_01]: to have those kind of scenes where you're trying to describe something that's indescribable.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I felt from Avery in the scene that he was enjoying it as an actor.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's sort of true.
[SPEAKER_00]: You should have Tom in that episode, you should have described it to Captain Cisco.
[SPEAKER_00]: He would've understood.
[SPEAKER_00]: He would've got your, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also want to say that the 180, as he's describing this and walking around the obelisk, Jonathan West, again,
[SPEAKER_01]: off of a crane did a 180 shot that is very difficult to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very ambitious.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then Cara tells Cisco that he was having a, uh,
[SPEAKER_03]: a sacred vision.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he said, I don't know what I had, but it was wonderful.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she says, the profits chose well when they made you the emissary.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, how does it all fit together?
[SPEAKER_03]: And Cisco says, I wish I knew someone woke me up.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was true.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was almost at the end of the dream and
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, don't don't wake people up in the middle of punk temp far.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's just love.
[SPEAKER_00]: Should know that already.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, a Brian calls and Kai win is on her way, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: A trouble and Cisco says, uh, fine, Kiro, Kiro will meet her there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is very unusual.
[SPEAKER_01]: Usually Cisco would, you know, show up for in this situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Kira's going to go to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: His dialects hilarious over.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's like, tell the guy that I'm busy today, but I'll meet with her tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just make something up.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love how he can't make something up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I cannot be bothered right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Seriously, he's onto more important things.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he says the answer is in this spire.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's he's really obsessed with this obelisk and figuring out what what he's meant to do here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess we go to the airlock next win arrives asks about Cisco where's where's the captain?
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... she thinks that he's just basking in all the agilation of starfleet command then she's a little sarcastic here like yet yeah you could he got what it is yeah passive aggressive in sarcastic yeah she's a little annoyed if she annoyed that he's not there to meet her as well he's annoyed he's their profit yeah he is the profit yeah and she's annoyed that beige or is joining the federation at this point
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's not happy about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: She thinks he's one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a little walk and talk here, which I noticed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you guys noticed, but they walked around a corner down a corridor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they seem to be walking slow, but it's hard to tell when you've got the two shot and you can't see their feet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you could see the background behind them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you could see how slow the background was walking.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like time to be stopped to match them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Try to not get ahead of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But often on a steady cam walk in talk like that, you're going a little slower than you naturally would to a comedy camera.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's walking backwards.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Steady cam's walking backwards trying to keep the frame.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you could see the background.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just point that out if anybody rewatches.
[SPEAKER_01]: Watch the background behind them in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: This cure it in wind scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are glasses.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, step and step.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's very kind of works with the dialogue being so painful.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, wind thinks that five years of freedom was not enough and cure reassures her, you know, just because we joined the Federation, we're still
[SPEAKER_01]: but when is not very sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kira comments, you know, you'll never give up, will you?
[SPEAKER_01]: And she says, Kira says, you can object if you want, but nothing is gonna change this joining Starfleet.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna move forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: So deal with your feelings.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that gonna have a better cut?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go to the Hall of Sweet again.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's maps, there's sections, there's star charts scattered everywhere around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another, I feel like a broken record, but another great crane shot over the obelisk.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I believe that Jonathan would not feel it's a broken record.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is so beautifully committed.
[SPEAKER_03]: It really is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Beautifully shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's over the obelisk.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the lens is sort of twisting like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they were using like a probably a three axis head or complicated photography that is, I would say above average for your show for most, most of the show's here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I tend to, like, cinemal up, cinematic growth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, it's Jonathan West.
[SPEAKER_03]: He does have an enormous amount of experience and wisdom.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: This goes in the hall of sweet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cassidy arrives.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ben immediately goes in for this hot kiss.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's that weird after the dinner?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because after the dinner, I thought, oh, he's really not vibing on her.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not going to be so mad.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's a lot to have that kind of trader move to help the Mark Machi.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then again, Teraphair, at the dinner he was in close encounters mode, so he wasn't really caring so much.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like an odd.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was surprising.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a little bit of a yo-yo feeling of wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You weren't into her now, you are into her.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it shows a little that he's unstable in some way, you know, his whole experience is kind of making him go to Exit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I'm glad they had them him do that because they're so out of character.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's like he did that normally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cassidy clocks the weird behavior too.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, oh, well, I expected you to meet me a little bit differently.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like she felt that she would be coming out of prison and he'd still be pissed off and angry or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he goes in for that huge romantic kiss.
[SPEAKER_00]: So even she's clocking something's off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, at that point, this is when Cisco starts going on about what he's been doing, trying to explain it to Cassidy, Cassidy is absolutely clueless as to what is happening here, except for there's some lost city, some sacred lost city, and he's like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just go to Bajor right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, what are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, okay, I guess I'm game, and they head to Bajor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's like, I think I know where Bala is.
[SPEAKER_01]: His loss city and let's go find it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you like when she talked about, she said, why don't you even know where my quarters are?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, he says, and he already took care of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're still hers.
[SPEAKER_00]: And nothing has been moved.
[SPEAKER_00]: We saw some, because now she knows he's forgiven me.
[SPEAKER_00]: He still loved me this entire time.
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't deserve it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I don't think his love for her changed, but you can still be disappointed in somebody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, they head out to find Balhalla or Valhalla or or Bahaela.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Baha-la.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or Baha-la?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that version.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Baha-la.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did not expect them to suddenly be 200 meters underground.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, they beam into how to pass it caves.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so they beamed into the cave.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't find the entrance and get down there.
[SPEAKER_00]: They beamed into the caves.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They beam in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look a little dangerous.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's a little alarmed that they're 20, 200 meters below ground.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he says, well, they're looking at 20,000 years of sediment here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of sediment.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a buried city, sacred city that just got burned.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But don't get me found a map to land us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it feels like Atlanta.
[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't buy it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, my feeling is this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would beam down in a whole environmental suit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you're 20, if you're down in some ancient area, there could be ancient viruses and all kinds of, you don't know if the oxygen is good down.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just beam right in.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, hey, we're going to, we'll be fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's, yeah, he's obsessed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think about it?
[SPEAKER_03]: And then they take this part of a session is not considering anything else.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's laser-focused.
[SPEAKER_00]: There it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're in the caves.
[SPEAKER_01]: They start walking and then he gets hit by one of these headaches.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is the first headache.
[SPEAKER_01]: He sort of stops.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter, but there's definitely one prior.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was smaller.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a smaller headache.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is the first time that I remember seeing a headache reaction.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she comments, she goes, maybe it's your obsession about the haul of it's giving you these headaches.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he comments, uh, I don't want to be ready.
[SPEAKER_01]: Being negative again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they, uh, they continue to the end of this tunnel and there's at a dead end.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a wall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he takes his phaser out, blows a hole in it and what's that what what you're setting was that Robbie.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a kind of like one circular with me out like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen that setting before.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a flashlighter drill.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a
[SPEAKER_03]: it was kind of perfect it was cool I was thinking oh my gosh he hits that with his phasor I hope rocks don't land on that right yeah but he has that that mitor drill setting and just opens it right up beautifully
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's just perfection.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a cabinet maker.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just built a few of you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody covered it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe someone's still there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Was in a girl in Poe, which one was it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Were he was at La Nare?
[SPEAKER_03]: Were he in the story?
[SPEAKER_03]: The woman is put in the wall and bricks are coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, that doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_03]: It just made me think of that when I saw that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like somebody covered it permanently hidden the town the obelisk from Yeah, because it was like this perfect arc.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't as if it just kind of it could have been that poetic metaphor or Terry It could have been that the production designer and construction crew just built a wall that had a nice hole in it
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so, I think you're probably right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're probably the construction crew.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you mean we're not really there?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not really 200 meters underground.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dang, I was fooled!
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I think when they cut the hole in the thing, they were on the second level of your caves.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were up on that, because they had to look down on the obelisk.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right, that's right, that's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had to go level.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: The cave, we see over and over again in every Star Trek episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as we reveal the obelisk, we realized this is the exact same obelisk in Baha'la.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they found them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut back to the security office, Odo is trying to set quarters assignments for all of these starfleet visitors.
[SPEAKER_03]: These very important VIPs that are called the protocols are hilarious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Warf has so many opinions about how it's made.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was, this was giving, this, this was triggering for me because when he was getting so specific, it was like, this is like that risa episode where he was so annoying.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, uh, with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember that where everything was like, please, Wolf, just chill out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just to lighten up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my goodness.
[SPEAKER_01]: It reminded me of actors trailers and dressing rooms.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say it reminded me of contract negotiation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, person, that character can't have a bigger trailer than this character.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Worf has these strong opinions about where people stay and Odo asks Kira, her thoughts, but she's very distracted.
[SPEAKER_01]: She can't believe that Cisco found Bahalla in just a few days.
[SPEAKER_01]: People have been searching for this for hundreds of years, you know, the
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a very long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they say 10,000 here.
[SPEAKER_00]: That painting was from 20,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they mean a mistake.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that a mistake?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, because later they say 20,000 again.
[SPEAKER_03]: They said 20,000 to begin with 10,000 here.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I caught that when they said 10.
[SPEAKER_03]: And later they say 20.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because those are little hiccups that people need to pay attention.
[SPEAKER_00]: And no, but this is what Judy Brown would have caught, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, in times out of ten.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought two-teen plenty of little things that go awry.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was only one time I called Michael Piller because in one spot it said an implosion and another spot it said explosion.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I caught it and I called about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's one of the changes script.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which one is it?
[SPEAKER_03]: And he thanked me.
[SPEAKER_03]: But those are the kind of things that happens.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you catch it, you got to call the office and let them know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Odo says to Kira, it probably was just a lucky guess, so he sort of blows it off, but Kira says no, I think it's a sign from the prophets.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when Wien arrives to speak privately with Kira, so they take a nice little walk.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we've got a beautiful long lens walk and talk on the upper promenade.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jonathan West, I'm going to be a
[SPEAKER_01]: so far all around really weird stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is this where they stop?
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, there was something here that was it pulled me out Louise was looking at Nanaz eyes and her mouth and her eyes and her mouth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it was just really eyes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I clocked that as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and she's never done that before though.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why you you saw that Terry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because that's not normal for Louise.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, to do the uh uh uh Yeah, her head didn't move if it was her eyes, but I was thinking it'd be different if it's about her hearing and she's trying to read Nanaz lips Mm-hmm
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't care.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't care.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: In real life, I'll look at someone's mouth because I'm trying to hear.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't quite hear what they're saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whether it's on Beyonce or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: But when you're acting, you can look at both the eyes.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's really weird to look down at the mouth.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if, so Jonathan used long lenses on this scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: He used this long lens master and he used long lenses.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's more of a telephoto lens.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that would amplify those glances to her mouth.
[SPEAKER_01]: If that's what you're, I didn't notice him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm guessing because I did notice the long lens over the approach.
[SPEAKER_03]: So for Louise, the camera felt really far away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, so she's maybe not as aware of what she's doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that gets magnified too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it looked crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I didn't catch it, but it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: But also, it was through the whole time that she was tired.
[SPEAKER_00]: I logged with the case.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's why I thought, oh, my gosh, I have to mention this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: But basically, this scene, this scene is all about Kai Wen saying that she was wrong because she didn't believe that Cisco was the true emissary, and now she feels bad for doubting him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Doing a little bit of research on this episode, this whole bit, this walk-and-talk with Kira, was Iris Steven Bear's curveball.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're used to Kai win being this antagonist, we don't like Kai win, Kai win is dangerous.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then all of a sudden you have this scene, which kind of flips, it's almost like she's like a bull in a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is Iris, even Barry's capable of growth.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I like that about Iris, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a decision-making.
[SPEAKER_00]: He kind of throws in a scene like this, just to make everyone go and work definitely for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Kira even comments on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: She says it takes a lot of courage to admit you're wrong, but when get sort of offended here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was not the right thing to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You think the resistance or the only people that had courage and the narcissist gets a nightmare.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I was a POW for five years.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all I had, I didn't have guns to protect me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have anything but my faith and my courage.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we learned a little bit of backstory.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was beaten on a daily basis.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is pretty hardcore PTSD stuff that she went through that we didn't know about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is important.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so the next scene is in the caves, you know, Cisco's made this discovery, and now there's a big archaeological dig going on, and uh, Wattley arrives, and Wattley basically wants to know, how did you discover this thing, and you've been acting kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: You've been ignoring the Admiral's calls.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've been hurt really bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, you need to have a physical when you get back.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco is getting more and more obsessed in the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you don't understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's answers here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need more time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't explain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wally sort of loses credibility for me when he mispronounces the name of the ancient city.
[SPEAKER_00]: He calls it but Allah but it's really but Allah he doesn't have that age in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I think what are you doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, this is the ancient city of Bala.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was kind of ticked off.
[SPEAKER_03]: He only gave Cisco till seven, oh seven hundred.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Seven to clock in the morning.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: The next day?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought he was going to give him a couple days.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said he needed a little.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Skidgy maybe I don't know but I mean as a viewer I'm observing that Cisco is acting a little obsessive and straight away Like it so what Lee is got to be Clocking all of this and he's ignoring their calls.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and like we said this is bad I totally get that from the beginning.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess I'm just a Cisco supporter and I wanted him to have a few more days
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but also I do feel that, you know, Starfleet is a little on edge that Cisco is being called the emissary by this entire group of people.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that means that's in the subconscious of Admiral Lee, it's like, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stop thinking of yourself as a god now, you know, because you're all the emissaries, you know, so this is a A mode of concern How is that talking for you Cisco?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because he should be back on the station Handling all of the Bajoran leaders too.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why he gives him such short notice.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna get back in the station as soon as possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Doesn't have a headache at the end of this guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's like Bad one
[SPEAKER_01]: When ever, by the way, I have a rule when I'm watching a movie or show, and character starts coughing that they're going to die.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
[SPEAKER_03]: If a character walks, if they go, they're sick.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're going to be sick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to die.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just my rule.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if we're not having multiple, it's pretty much go watch anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, you cough your die and if you got a headache, you're going to, you may be die.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, just it's very funny that you bring that up because the brand new Chevy Chase documentary just uploaded.
[SPEAKER_00]: and in there they're following him around and he'll he'll talk about something he's on camera and all sudden he'll be put he's coughing off to the side and Megan's like he's he doesn't have much time left is whether it's so funny that she's got the same rule exactly so you and Megan say thing cough not good yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a headache, Siska's got a headache at the end of the scene, so probably going to die.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the infirmary, Wattley says that Siska was late reporting, and he's worried.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Bishir says, you know, he didn't have any scary symptoms when I saw him before.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's, he's in trouble.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bishir also tries to explain how important the emissary is to the Bajorans.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they see Siska arriving on the promenade outside of the
[SPEAKER_03]: they step over to watch what he's doing and outside in the promenade Cisco's like a god he's walking amongst the people giving everybody you know answers he's a prophet he's a prophet yes he's the major yes but he's not a god no no he's been he can see there fine yeah but he's definitely seen into other people's futures yeah
[SPEAKER_03]: and giving them, like, don't worry about your son or will they actually fit that to watch it?
[SPEAKER_00]: He says that to Wattley, which really freaks Wattley out at that point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, wait a minute, how do you even know what Kevin and I are going through?
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, it's a little freaky that he sees everything right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why his son's name Kevin is funny to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just such a son name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know the Kevin and off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to all the Kevin's out there, it's a great name.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for some reason, this episode is something I was like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Kevin you're son Kevin of course with the other thing is son and Kevin seem to fit together But but someone saying my dad Kevin sounds weird to me too.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like one wait a minute Yeah, yeah, it's a good show dad's name is Kevin
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut to the infirmary back inside, Cisco's getting a head test basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a cool, little band over his head with Lincoln Blinky lights and things.
[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't do a great job with those things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that was cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: You were trapped.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but this should still be somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: We should have had some cool tests.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys have had lately some very cool tech.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like was it there was an episode recently where they were all that other in the coma that big head.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was cool thing that looks cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't have any of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Cisco's got a little band on his head.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets the head test.
[SPEAKER_01]: But sure says I'll have results in a few minutes and then Cisco shares this vision.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he says he was on Bajor, Bahalo was had been rebuilt, people were in the streets celebrating, but then there was a shadow that covered the sun, and they looked up, they saw locus, billions of locus hovering over the city, and as quickly as they came, they moved on.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, now I know where they were going.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cardassia.
[SPEAKER_01]: What does it mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody knows what all this means.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of abstract, writerly visions that are scary in ominous, but not clear.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Kira is very intense about this vision he's had, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And she was, at least the swarm is moving away from Bager.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a good sign, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_03]: And Cisco says, but what do these locus represent?
[SPEAKER_03]: And why Cardassia?
[SPEAKER_03]: Wattley says, you were dreaming and dreams don't always make sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, and of course, Cisco says, no, this wasn't a dream.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was another like vision like he had Yeah, it was telling care about being there.
[SPEAKER_03]: He, he, he transported there and then Bashir's worried and he says something But your basal ganglia are starting to depolarize.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to have to operate and try to repolarize your neural sheaths
[SPEAKER_00]: What the heck is a neural sheath?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even find it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds very medical.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Love, love, love, love, love.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's your connective tissue, like a sheath for your muscles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was a connection.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the sheath got, he got the task back from that strip that was on his head.
[SPEAKER_01]: And things are bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's much worse.
[SPEAKER_03]: God, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: God, a operator Cisco is going to die.
[SPEAKER_01]: I told you, if you're right, if you've got a headache, you've got a dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, headache or cough, you're dead.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or bad stomach ache, anything that makes them go, gas, not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you, if you have a little gas, yeah, we know that he might die, and Cisco says, an important is happening to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, well, he doesn't want to lose, yeah, he wants to keep seeing the visions.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, yeah, until he knows why, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: he wants to figure out what's going on with these darn locust heading towards Cardassia and he feels that the more time he has with the visions he will see everything clearly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he doesn't want that surgery.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, no, don't, no, don't have this surgery at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, those are his orders.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he says.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's important.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's important for me because now we're back in Cisco's corridors.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are Jake and Cassidy are begging him to stop doing this, just have this operation and save your life.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Cisco explains, you know, Jake, when you were a baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: I held you in my arms and I could see your whole future.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could see your life all laid out in front of me, even when you were just a baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now I feel like I have the universe in my hands.
[SPEAKER_01]: These visions are making or like a baby in my hands.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I have to see this through.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's a beautiful metaphor the way he kind of,
[SPEAKER_00]: describes it to Jake.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is, but case Cassidy and Jake are not, they're not so emotional about what's happening right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, how can you leave his 18 year old son?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're afraid that he's going to die before he sees the final answer.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the final vision.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they want him to have this surgery, and I've never seen a more emotional Cassidy Yates, that's for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also Jake is extremely extremely, you know, taking over.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it's not the first time he's almost lost his father.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is like, but this is like his dad is aware and conscious and making a choice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, when arrives to help him through this,
[SPEAKER_01]: Next vision I got.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's in there and so she's going to support him and off they go We cut over to ops.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a nice scene on ops.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought again the way Jonathan shot ops It felt a little different felt a little more cinematic
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe longer lenses all around.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like he was using longer lenses in this episode a lot and that was nice for him Because he's been kind of stuck doing whatever any other director wants to do Yeah, so he's been thinking about this a while I imagine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm sure for a lifetime Yeah, yeah, cure comments that she's never seen the temple so crowded everyone's in their crime
[SPEAKER_01]: framed inside, praying for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: The crew in an ops basically debates faith in the scene and war takes the side that he believes in faith, that you have to believe that you're going to win or you won't have a victory.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to have faith.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like faith is more important than anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: And here at in war for on the same page.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, and Dax and Miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dax, Dax is kind of seeing both sides.
[SPEAKER_01]: I felt a little bit here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Miles is not.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's an engineer.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, he doesn't believe in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm, I think my character's more like whatever works for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to burst your bubble.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've seen extraordinary things to however it's not just faith.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you sit back a little bit, look, take at the overall, if you look at this episode as a whole, this is a faith or religious, more religious-based episode that is very rare in Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: See.
[SPEAKER_00]: it's not a theme that they sit there and in doing my research for this, the writers were super surprised at how well the fans enjoyed this episode because usually the faith-based religious episodes are the ones that fans and the studio are poopooing.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, we don't want to hear this get it out of our face, but for some reason this one spoke to them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and why I said that about DAX, I see it now in the lines.
[SPEAKER_03]: Worf says what I believe in is faith.
[SPEAKER_03]: Without it, there can be no victory.
[SPEAKER_03]: If the captain's faith is strong, he will prevail.
[SPEAKER_03]: And my character says, that's not much to bet his life on.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm thinking DAX is closer to O'Brien.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, DAX is much more science-based, of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we cut into the gas quarters.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a ceremony when is praying for Cisco.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco has a really bad headache attack in the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even when says maybe you should wait to do this procedure, you know, wait until after the signing, the Starfleet signing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do that first and then you can do this vision.
[SPEAKER_01]: thing because it may be too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's interesting that Flynn is kind of flip sides.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now she's like, yeah, it's also that this particular orb is very draining.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's the orb of prophecy.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a heavy big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Cisco says he may not have time.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to do this now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so she leaves.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he kind of
[SPEAKER_03]: love those orbs.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the ward room, there's the signing is taking place.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wattley comments that Cisco is in already an hour late, asks how long does this vision quest take and when says, well, could take minutes, hours, even days, sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when says, let's move forward without him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she's ready to sign up and become part of Starfleet or the Federation.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they all start.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as they start, Cisco comes in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he says no, Bager must not join the Federation or it will be destroyed and then he collapses to the ground.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we cut to the infirmary and Bashir says that we've got to operate immediately.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to die.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's about to die.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Kira says, you know, he made it clear that he didn't want surgery.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you brought up Garrett before.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said no surgery.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: and Bashir goes, well, I can't do it then.
[SPEAKER_01]: The closest relative will have to make this decision.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he can't change his orders to me, then the closest relative will have to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a beautiful moment with Jake kneeling by his dad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, thank God Jake was there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he says he can't let him die.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody is very moved.
[SPEAKER_03]: And when he says, I need you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, I need you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because he knows he knows what his dad wants.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is against his wishes, but he also needs his father.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it isn't very moving.
[SPEAKER_03]: And his father was acting out of his head.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, Jake goes over to Bashir and says, Do what you have to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Bashir prepares for surgery and calls in a nurse.
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut to the
[SPEAKER_01]: and Kira feels that Jake was right to make that choice.
[SPEAKER_01]: She says to when maybe this is how the profits wanted it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, what's Kira?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kira says when must be very happy that, you know, Bayjor is not going to be part of the Federation right now and when says before it was easier before she says because I knew who my enemies were.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm not so sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was very ominous to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wasn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because when always feels like she knows everything, like she's playing chess with the whole person.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's just got a finger on the pulse of everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: But also it's because of Cisco's vision, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: But the locus and all of that, that's why she's saying that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I thought too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Kira's response to all of this is, well, it makes life more interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't like that line.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to say.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have cut the scene after Winslow.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little too throw away for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the weird lines, I get some time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Get where it's just like...
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where's that come from?
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we cut to the infirmary, Cisco wakes up, beautiful oneer, you know, it pushes in from a very wide shot into a close up there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jonathan West, Kaboom, you did it again, but Cisco is crushed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and good job by every Brooks and expressing his crushness because he's just despondent at the end of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I almost added.
[SPEAKER_00]: I almost understood it all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, it's gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is a big, big deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a little bit of force for Avery this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I really was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was phenomenal in the sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... we can't decide the captain's office he's looking at a a scan of that painting on the wall monitor when the doorbell rings it's wattly he says tell beige or that they should join they need to do this and then says no he's very sure about his very certain and while he says you know i could pull you from the station but then the bjords wouldn't be very happy about that since you're the emissary now
[SPEAKER_01]: And Cisco does say, I wish things turned out differently, but Bayjorn will join the Federation someday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm certain about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's very confident.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so he's not pooping actual joining.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just saying not now, it's not the beat in the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we go to Cisco's quarters next.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake is cooking, Cassidy's setting the table.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco enters and they've prepared a reunion dinner.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Cassidy does say, I understand you've lost something very important, but she says you've held on to something very important too.
[SPEAKER_01]: and a beautiful tight shot of their hands there at the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wasn't it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he finally grabs Cassidy's with that one to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad that Jonathan had that hesitation, because there was sort of that moment of...
[SPEAKER_03]: for giving her, I hope he has because it's been such a weird ride.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but the two of them on this, it's not the normal welcoming back home.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is the opposite.
[SPEAKER_01]: The very spiritual episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's your theme slash less and slash more?
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's what I wrote to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Faith doesn't always offer clear answers, but being patient with the journey is worth it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was my lesson.
[SPEAKER_01]: Terrifier yours.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mine is choose health over a faith obsession life over death.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he got mean.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because he was obsessed.
[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't like he was taking this with a rationally and something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yes, it was an unsound mind on this vision quest.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, mine is family comes first and that's from Jake Cisco's decision to make sure his dad is saved and doesn't die.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, well, yeah, I'll do it with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Obsession can push you to the edge of your limit.
[SPEAKER_03]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a good one.
[SPEAKER_01]: He got right to the edge.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was about to die.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: As I've said, coughs and headaches.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll kill you in television.
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