[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Lorehouse podcast your guides to the pit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm John and I'm David and this is our coverage of episode five is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's got to be five.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm getting a few things between 90 to seven kingdoms and Starfleet Academy and this and they're all like one number off from each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, this is the 11 o'clock hour season two the pits
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to get in contact with us about all the stuff, uh, lower hounds at the lower hounds.com is going to be your best bet or you can go to the discord server.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got a pit channel.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can discuss all your medical drama takes with everybody else, who also is doing layman's medical diagnoses.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is more of a vibe-checky podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, I am sliding ever so slowly into a more organized approach to the show and I've actually started to do a little bit of outlining at least for characters and topics and things like that because I just feel like I can't hold on to the show in my head without having some notes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we put some notes together for that
[SPEAKER_02]: John, what did you think of the episode?
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I was stronger than last episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: I see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought last episode was a little bit of a step back from the one prior, because episode three, I think is still my favorite of the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: So far.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is definitely a really good episode that's moving very well.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing is I was literally wretched from discussed with Ogle V is getting shettled.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was watching on my computer and I ran out of the room and would And Maya was like what the hell are you doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: You actually had an actual gag reflex I had oh like not one time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god like like it took me like several minutes to control myself How are you handling night of the seven kingdoms anyway?
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not talking about that show right now I don't it's more cartoonist.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is much more realistic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's the realism that it's interesting Oh, I don't know okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know I've done with a lot of poop these last five years since well yes You have but I don't know your own child's poop is much different than old lady impacted poop
[SPEAKER_04]: I think so, I would guess so.
[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, I'm sure she felt very relieved after the fact.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure she said so, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, oh, that's much better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right after she shut all over a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And poor old will be, you know, with Santos, just like really dumping everything on him.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, maybe that's why they had us kind of hate him for the first couple episodes because now we don't have to feel as badly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a little bit of, uh, uh, not it's not a redemption necessarily, but yeah, kind of it's just desserts.
[SPEAKER_01]: But right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to be so active.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's your own cases.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're doing all this stuff into baiting people and resuscitating people, uh, and one outclassing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is this is the ER.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and that's one of my notes that I have,
[SPEAKER_03]: the gauntlet that, or the creator, it's not a gauntlet.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a crucible that new doctors own their rotations, medical students own their rotations, and even just the doctors that, but specifically, I'm thinking of the students,
[SPEAKER_02]: the crucible that they have to go through in an ER setting, it's dangerous, you're being exposed to some of the worst pathogens known to humanity.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're seeing people in the widest expansive of our physical existence and all kinds of social issues as well as the medical issues and some of us should be a situation that I'll be dealing with.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's an Ogleby joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was moving on anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: So any other hot takes for the, for the episode?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just, overall, I think you hit on one is infectious diseases getting out of control is definitely something that they're seeding.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder if that is a clue as to what's happening at Westbridge, I think it is the other, the other possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, you get up on the board.
[SPEAKER_01]: Second thing is, and then again, it would be the whole hospital I doubt it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Second thing is, I think this show is starting to turn on Dr. Robbie.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are starting to see a lot of characters starting to call out Robbie on his shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dana?
[SPEAKER_01]: Langden kind of, he wants to at least, Garcia was like, really on him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so was El Hashime, and she had a point, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: She, I didn't disagree with any of the takes, except maybe Garcia, because Garcia, I was like, I don't know, that woman would probably be dead, but if you followed your trip in plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, that's what I think the show is starting to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did say up front in the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that they're going to have a redemption arc, an upward trajectory for all Hashimi, and then a downward trajectory for Robbie, think they are starting to move that along.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're not seeing evidence that would disprove that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything seems to be going in that direction, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get the bedding pool on his mid-life crisis, when he's coming back.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right, all right, I'm at board up here.
[SPEAKER_02]: We need to get that going in the discord, getting the betting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we didn't, actually, I'm surprised.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody in the discord is put up a betting pool for what we go black is.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have any other hot takes?
[SPEAKER_02]: I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get this interest, this episode is interesting given the trajectory of each episode within the season.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it felt like the window, the storytelling window,
[SPEAKER_02]: was much narrower or smaller than the previous couple of episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: The number of patients that we've seen seems to, we focused in more rather than, I don't know how many it has been in each episode, but a lot, six, seven, eight, something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It felt more like five, six this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: and the, you know, getting in with the characters a little bit more, we didn't move around as much.
[SPEAKER_02]: We weren't with Javadi as much and, you know, Santa, you know, you know, it was even Whittaker, you didn't see that much of a movement of the shit scene and exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mel, too, the shit scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Parking one little quizz scene and that was it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So mostly the interns beside Santa was to not get.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was like they tightened the focus, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: They narrowed it, seeing a little bit on the stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're last episode, I felt like it was very light and flirty and kind of silly and we were rolling through a bunch of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: This episode, all episode long.
[SPEAKER_02]: my anxiety was at the control panel in my brain and was like mashing the buttons and I was like oh the prisoner's gonna reach for a scalpel oh the nurses gonna or you know the the the the necrotic fasciitis is gonna explode on everybody and I didn't see the tuberculosis coming until it was there
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, did you do everything as tuberculosis?
[SPEAKER_01]: It like lit the world on fire last.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember hearing about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember it was a while ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was last year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was it only last year?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a very good book and it's pretty short.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would recommend it in the audio book.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's good too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I did the audio book.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I just all episode long.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just had this sense of dread and anxiety building and building.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there was no real sort of.
[SPEAKER_02]: release or snap forward.
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, they left us hanging off the cliff, you know, with for what's his name, Louie, we don't know, we knew a bit of a cliffhanger, but yeah, but they've been doing it all season.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, they've built that visual device, or you know, like, start telling advice.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I haven't been complaining about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yeah, and I wanted it's part of the identity of the show, and that's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, it's working.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's sort of my rough thoughts.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did make a little list of character things and a few topical things and then I've got a nice, did a little deep dive in necroticizing fasciitis.
[SPEAKER_02]: Necrotizing Vashyitis, but I did more of a deep dive on the branding thing, and the dudes sort of being dudes with body branding, I kind of fell down a hole, even Nicole and I never mind the music, and I were texting about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And apparently her students have not heard that this is a thing, even though
[SPEAKER_02]: this is the second time this sort of hot cold branding has broken through my information bubble like literally like within the last 10 days or so.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know as a thing either.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, um, those kids already.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll we'll we'll talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we did get some feedback that I wanted to mention.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and I've got a nice list of the the patients.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I got everybody, but there was one little piece of feedback from
[SPEAKER_02]: When of our long term, uh, uh, uh, lore master subscribers, the first one was that was the first one, absolutely the first one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, that's why Samarshan's on the top of the list whenever we read it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, Samarshan wrote in and posted a message on the, on the Patreon page and, in was saying, that, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, she was thinking us for having the conversation that we did about neurodiversity and specifically the social model of the people coping with the world that's been developed for neurotypical populations versus a medical model, so a social model versus a medical model
[SPEAKER_02]: not looking at somebody with no diversity.
[SPEAKER_02]: from a clinical standpoint necessarily, it's just a condition as is, and then the world fit and the other, or the world not fit, and how do we, do we medicalize things, or do we just, or do we socialize things, do we treat, just like the, the deaf patient, who was like, no, look at me when you're talking to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but the, some artian also said,
[SPEAKER_02]: are constantly interpreting the world, masking and coping with the neuro-typical world, and that anxiety and depression is real and always underneath, you know, sort of an iceberg thing, so to speak, they say.
[SPEAKER_02]: And some are some adds that among many new diverse folks eating disorders and other addictions are always, you know, are a lot of ways that people unhealthily, you know, cope with the anxiety and the depression that they're dealing with.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why therapy and coaching are so important.
[SPEAKER_02]: for people who are experiencing no diversity because that anxiety is just in there and it's just anxiety is like chaos energy, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And you have no idea how it's gonna spread or impact or what it's gonna affect or how it's gonna trigger and more than, you know, the
[SPEAKER_02]: dealing with the neuro-diversity stuff that's of our managing for that or working in the world with those conditions.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's almost the easy part.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost the anxiety, which can be hidden.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can't see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's working its way throughout things, and which I think you have some understanding of as well, and how affecting anxiety.
[SPEAKER_01]: I live with it every day and you know, we all have our own coping mechanisms, some of them more healthy than others.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's part of it is like they're such a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a healthy coping mechanism, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they're, you know, everyone has their own system.
[SPEAKER_01]: And nobody, uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: I would never shame anybody for their, you know, eccentricities and systems that help them get through life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because life's hard, even if you're neuro-typical, but especially if you're neuro-diverse, right, neuro-divergent rather.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we also got another piece of feedback, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, gentlemen, did I miss it?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very recent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ken W says, don't be eating if you're going to want to the latest episode of The Pit, a finger goes along way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Kim in some art and thanks for writing back two of our longtime supporters.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, it's always good to hear.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, folks.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, where do you want to start?
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got a lot we can talk about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have anything particular?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get right to the group.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tell me all about some necrosis.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Necrotizing fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I guess the group could have referred to several things in this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going with the.
[SPEAKER_01]: The blue one is the color blue.
[SPEAKER_03]: Bula.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Bola.
[SPEAKER_01]: A Bola.
[SPEAKER_01]: A Bola is a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bola.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but the thing, the like black spot that was forming, oh yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: that has the nickname flesh-eating disease.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it is obviously a serious bacterial infection.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it attacks the tissue that's beneath the skin, the fascia, which is this weird soft tissue that helps your muscles slide under your skin and over your organs and around your bones.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you have fascia, like I don't know what I should have looked
[SPEAKER_02]: but there's like miles and miles and miles of fashion in your body and it's all like it's like your skin but it's like within your body and it's getting connect so many different things and it's it's the little thing that keeps your organs together in one area and your muscle you know, over here.
[SPEAKER_02]: It gets a really, really important part of your body and this bacteria
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... can basically eat uh... that uh... that material and the bacteria releases toxins that block blood flow
[SPEAKER_02]: which then lead to the tissue death, the necrosis in the affected area.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's mostly caused by group A, streptalococ, streptococcus, but Mersec can also be involved in it apparently.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, literally it is, we saw, as we saw, I like, from what I was reading and what we saw in the show,
[SPEAKER_02]: again, very medically accurate.
[SPEAKER_02]: So everything you need to know about the seriousness of it is all there on the screen and the way that they were treating for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And literally we can get into to Dr. Robby's issues and this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: But all right, let's let's get into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what do you agree with his decision to just do the stainless steel scan?
[SPEAKER_02]: I do, and I also think that it didn't need to come to that necessarily because he was being such a jerk to Langdon, that I think their interaction actually compromised patient.
[SPEAKER_02]: health, you know, the care of the patient is that because they were fighting and arguing about treatment in this and if Robby had just come out and just said, look, I'm really concerned that this is, you know, a necroticizing fasciitis.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm gonna, I think we should continue on that protocol until we prove otherwise, maybe they would have been ahead of the game a little bit, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about that because Dana did say he did everything you would have done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do think that they got there at a similar pace.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that was actually compromised.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, maybe I was just being affected by the tension between the two and to me, I was questioning did that compromise their ability to care for the patient versus them, you know, uh, fencing and, and struggling over what they should, what they shouldn't do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I believe in egg mom, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're not doctors.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah, it could have.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just I think timing was not the issue here.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just it was more that the, you know, we're occurring issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can't get the upper units to actually respond to us because the code because they're getting overloaded because the code black.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I mean, what it's somebody who's like, minute by minute getting severely worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's even worse than somebody who's like waiting for, you know, need it today surgery, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you still go to this person first.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the way that it was spreading, you know, past the, you know, a millimeter past the the sharpie line like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah exactly seemed like saying really crazy emergency and you know, we see this and this sort of this ties into the Robby storyline.
[SPEAKER_02]: where he's really starting to, you know, he's being a jerk to Langdon.
[SPEAKER_02]: He tells the, the woman's boss off on the phone, which you know, that's kind of a nice heroic moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he, you know, does his, you know, all guts know, you know, glory kind of, you know, staying the steel test, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's kind of being a jerk all around.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's being very prickly about a lot of stuff and kind of losing his cool a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the real result of the LinkedIn viewed is that he's snapping at everybody else because he won't confront it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a boy then.
[SPEAKER_01]: We know that he's a boy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've discussed that several episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Lengman's back there moving around in different spaces, and that's why he put him out into the lobby, into the triage, so that he wouldn't have to see or be near him, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had to come in today.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was available, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know that he timed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know that Robby timed it, like when Lengman coming back, great, I'll be gone that day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: How are you feeling about their relationship?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, or specifically like what how Robby is relating to the situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's being avoidant, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like whether you're on sabbatical or you're not, you're going to eventually have to work with this guy again and you can't have this beef, uh, you know, I always said like the best manager I ever had in a job, I worked at Starbucks and there was, there was this manager who any time any two employees had a little bit of a feud or anything, he would
[SPEAKER_01]: And he would like, he would squash the beef right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that would be like, you guys, good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool, because you just cannot have that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's in a low stakes team, like a Starbucks, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And not a medical situation where not communicating could be life or death for the patient.
[SPEAKER_02]: i don't know road people not getting their uh... double double uh... triple shot uh... almond spritz uh... phome no phome phome be people so she treated it like it's life or death that's for sure i just don't know if i agree with them
[SPEAKER_01]: So the other thing is Whittaker, who we know is pretty close to Robbie and Robbie's kind of taking him on as a little bit of a mentee.
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes, I'll prescribe the benzos.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got the liberty.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he covers his ass saying, like, oh, it's my patient, but you could tell by Linden's face like he knows.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't argue because he's actually like, you know what, kind of fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know that of that hurt him, that felt bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know, I think that would feel bad if you're in that situation, no matter if you understand or not.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's part of the recovery process, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just going to have to carry some of that for a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's not going to necessarily go away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there are going to be a little awkward moments like that, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And hopefully he and Whitaker can, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: kind of work it out at some point because you know we see what occur being self-reflective when it goes to Santos and saying, hey, what did I do wrong?
[SPEAKER_02]: She goes probably everything but whatever she says, buddy, but he's he's he's he's self-reflective in that regard and I in in Langen is too and especially the fact that he's going through active therapy.
[SPEAKER_01]: that's going to put him in a headspace of being more accountable and being more uh... being more willing to relate to and address issues folks speaking or squashing beefs doctor alas jimi yes uh... with robby why are you treating me like one of your residents just calls him right out right like that's why i thought a theme of this episode was just like calling it out what it is they out loud
[SPEAKER_02]: I think pick up on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good subtle theme.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if each episode has sort of a vibe scene running underneath it, kind of like fascia running throughout invisibly connecting everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I like how he's like, well, and I just like to know what's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, all right, you're turned.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he goes too shape, but we don't see him actually give.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's such a jerk sometimes like I love him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's the core of this show, but he is such a dick sometimes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and in contrast where they're really
[SPEAKER_02]: giving us the fields for Linden when the security guard when Ahmed gives him the fist bump when he says like, oh, no, I'm, you know, I can't afford it because I'm still, you know, you know, doing with recovery stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, and Ahmed says respect and gives that fist bump, I was like, oh, man, like you didn't even in the fields here, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: And, and so it, I think in the conflict with Dr. Alshimi,
[SPEAKER_02]: and Langdon and Robby, and then Whitaker because we keep seeing Robby making dough eyes at Whitaker, going, oh, I'm proud of my little, you know, by my young men's student, or not, a men's student anymore, but this young doctor, it really is starting to highlight what you keep pointing at, which is at Robby's on a rock, you know, they're putting Robby on a ride for us this season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know where they're going with their relationship.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it could go either way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if it's going to end up with Robby needing some kind of force sabbatical rather than an optimal one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Will HR a little trip to HR?
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see now, let me ask you though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Alhashimi is like super risk immerse and super like everything needs to be done by the book.
[SPEAKER_01]: How is she just fine with Langdon coming back with what appears to be a kind of not above-board solution to this, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if if the procedures had been followed with Langdon, Langdon would never be back there.
[SPEAKER_01]: He probably would have been fired in charge with crimes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he chose to go through the an allowable rehab process.
[SPEAKER_01]: He went through rehab, but I don't know if that included any kind of like admission of stealing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just I have a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said they've said a couple of times that he's going through an approved program for medical practitioners who have issues with addiction.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just addiction.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, but issues with stealing medication, those are two different things.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good point.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had not about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: If Robbie had followed all the procedures, because he was caught, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He caught right hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: He, he stole and he lied.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Professional environment setting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: There, there are, you know, levels of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see this with a lot of professional organizations, doctors, lawyers, all that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have these, you know, assistance programs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but at the same time, there's still how that's, yeah, the pilots, they don't see the two rehearsals go watch it.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't watched it, go watch season 2 right, but my point is like, you still can't commit the crime.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're doing the job, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're a lawyer, you can't go steal quite a client funds and be like, I had a gambling problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not, it's, yeah, there's still the ethical line.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think that I don't think that LinkedIn suffered the actual consequences of
[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Al-Hashimi maybe she doesn't know about that about stealing maybe she only knows that he had a drug problem that he voluntarily submitted his own war as opposed to Submit yourself or be fired for stealing right and charged with crimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think I think Robby said it would be felonies, right because he's stealing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no control sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, I just don't, I think if she knew the full extent she would not be happy, he's back.
[SPEAKER_01]: She gave him a lot of comfort this episode, but I don't think she'd be given him that comfort if she knew the whole story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that just an opposition to Robbie?
[SPEAKER_02]: Robby is going to treat you like a jerk.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to treat you nice because I'm Robby.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good cup bed cup.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah It's the mom and dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the step parent coming in trying to Went over the kids By the way, John, can I interest you in some AI to help you with your podcast?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, thank you
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to go, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's predicting it that the AI is going to get squirrely and throw a giant monkey wrench into what happens in the rest of the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: This actually, the first season and a half, actually, is just a prequel to a sci-fi thing, where the hospital gets taken over by the robots.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a little bit of, oh, shoot, what was the Argentinian one, the Etronaut is kind of an Etronaut.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh John you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I probably I probably should yeah, well, I never caught up on Mrs. Davis.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, you've we're there.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't for one there on that there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll halfway halfway through this season.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get a title card that says like based on the works of Isaac Asimov.
[SPEAKER_02]: So nice and Robbie and we get a funny little triangle here between Robbie Noel and Dana.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I need to know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love what you said about how we watch TV on at night.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that Dana does not want any part of the drama.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other nurses are into the drama.
[SPEAKER_01]: They want to gossip about everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dana is like, I have so much stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to keep in my head.
[SPEAKER_01]: I cannot keep who's sleeping together in my head, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: She is the one who cuts through the bullshet.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe she should be dealing with the Ovalese patient.
[SPEAKER_02]: But because she's right through it as a character, too, with just her dry humor and her sort of wise words.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I've been there done that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm doing you, favorite kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: All that stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just love her like this show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know part of the model of this show for its longevity.
[SPEAKER_02]: is being able to rotate in actors and different characters and we could be on the night shift, we could be on the swing shift, there's a lot of opportunity here for our stuff, which I think is interesting if they are pushing Robby's character in a particular way from a
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, are they making room for somebody else to come in for season three or something so we'll say yeah, I don't know but that said I Dana is going to be one of my all-time favorite characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got a show.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got us.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, well, of course says that Robby has a seven-week-itsch.
[SPEAKER_01]: What I wonder what that's talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's obviously he He's he's getting ready for his seven weeks with Dr. El Hashimi.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what's funny this
[SPEAKER_02]: The pit and night of the seven kingdoms have been in this weird orbit with each other, and this week's episode is called the seven, and then they're talking about a seven-week inch, and then there's some other bodily stuff that goes on in this episode, so that that are concurrent with the most recent episode of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really weird, it's really weird, like I don't, they couldn't have planned this, so it's pretty funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: You haven't seen it yet, so I'm not saying I haven't seen it yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't had the time yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had the watch of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say that this episode is just really knocked the socks off with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these two, like I'm so happy right now because I have the pit and I have 97 kingdoms and they're both like really great.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, just to tie off poop talk, the olgo v-thing obviously was disgusting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I brushed the TV thing though, that was interesting, and I think you pointed out something good before, which is, I guess not good, but interesting before, which is that, you know, that rate, like 70% of them are exposed to TV, it's like insanely high, insanely high.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I did read everything as tuberculosis, or I listened to it, and very good book,
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it really talks about how like, you people in non, you know, it, it non, like US Western countries will often be denied life-saving care for TB.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we could get rid of TB if we wanted, but because we don't invest enough into the treatment of it, it's just it remains being a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sometimes human beings were just so weirdly illogical.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's also like a lot of, I mean, it does remain a problem personally because we don't treat everybody for it, but also because we do partial trip in for a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And right, that pushes them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we have huge problems on the antibacterial, sorry, on antibiotic resistant being now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is, is an antibiotic resistant bacteria.
[SPEAKER_01]: But so TV's just like a very weird illness too, like it doesn't behave the right way, compared to other illnesses.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's why she's talking about, like, you have months on the pills.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And not every strain of TV will respond to the same treatment.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually a really hard infection to treat.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have, but we have the technology.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just that
[SPEAKER_01]: Part of it is in you know a lot of African countries and this is from that book if you if you want more details But you know they'll they'll refuse to give you pills to take home because they're like well We don't think you'll follow through with it, and so you need to stay at the treatment center and take it or Go home without the pills because we don't want to develop an antibiotics.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right to be
[SPEAKER_02]: That's one of those social conundrums.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we can measure the percentage of people who do stop mid-treatment when they go home.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure that is a real problem, but at the same time the people who wouldn't now aren't going to get treatment because you've decided that they're not going to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't even give them a job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, public health is such a complex thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's it'll be, you know, many miles between the, the place where you live and the treatment center, can you get family?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you get there, you know, once a week?
[SPEAKER_02]: Even it's it's really tough for people in the hospital doesn't provide that other kind of care so your family is it's on that family to provide you with food and you're in all exactly things so even if you can get the pills for free.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, are you are you getting the rest that you need yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, that's all I got for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't we take a break before we get into a new topic and we'll see on the other side.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're back, so.
[SPEAKER_01]: What else you got from me, David?
[SPEAKER_02]: Joy, we finally finally get something on Joy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I feel like they should have started that earlier.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's interesting because they've been building that tension up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then now that we have this breakthrough, we're all having that experience of joy, finally.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's intentional story writing.
[SPEAKER_02]: What they're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're experiencing joy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am experiencing joy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or no, with the same character, that's the emotion of what's the kid's name, I forget.
[SPEAKER_02]: Riley, Riley, that's it, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, I know, I have watched this will be many times.
[SPEAKER_02]: well we we're halfway through the second movie and my our daughter is a little bit like there's a little too much drama going on and so she can't watch sort of after a certain point they've been watching it at school like it's in she encountered it at school which is great because it means that the school is taking seriously social emotional learning yeah it's I really appreciate that it's such a great model to explain the interiority of
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, enjoy and sadness are connected and I like the fact that joy has blue eyes the same color blue eyes that sadness is a hair and clothing and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're hired for Laura Hounds Jr. Let's move on for now to this joy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, she nailed that whole way, let's get, let's get this guy into what she took on her.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just a different unit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just not ICU basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were saying ICU is going to cost $100,000, but he's going to get a third of the cost if he goes to like this other unit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, we need Sarah to write in to explain to us what that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can it sound like it sounds like, um, it was mid surge, right, that's what they call it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I heard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it sounded like the concern was he needed to have his blood pressure, blood sugar monitored once an hour.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is something that an ICU can definitely handle because, you know, that is like one nurse per room.
[SPEAKER_02]: right or no, they were going to have them on a drip and then if it's off the drip, which made search couldn't handle, not that they couldn't handle it, but it's not part of their duties or, you know, yeah, there's some difference there in terms of the kind of care they provide or may afford.
[SPEAKER_01]: So once an hour, that's a lot of check-ins for them and I guess that was the concern, but if you're good, then do it like this guy, I saw we had, I don't remember who wrote it, but on our Spotify, somebody was like, I feel like you guys are downplaying how much people know about, yeah, that was how bad if I comment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how bad the health insurance thing is, I don't know, you know, there's many people who experience in this country and a lot of
[SPEAKER_01]: and don't experience it, are still aware of it, but there is a large portion of this population who, you know, you will speak, don't people, you know what I mean, it's not in your face, you're busy and people just don't realize it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then a lot of people in European countries are shocked by these bills, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you hear about this and you're like, how is that even possible?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's that high.
[SPEAKER_01]: Overall, we have a lot of Israeli listeners, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, go on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just saying, being an industrialized nation with a high GDP, and wait, what, this, this, this, this is what you're the way your system works.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's inconceivable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we literally just had a whole, you know, political fight on, or we're going to subsidize these ACA plans.
[SPEAKER_02]: Will and health care and health insurance goes back a long way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was in the when when the ACA was being
[SPEAKER_02]: put together and brought forward.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember hearing, you know, chat, you know, political pundits and people and historians talking and how far back this question of health care, the fight over health care goes in this country.
[SPEAKER_02]: It goes back to like gilded age period.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And should we be doing this or not?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not great.
[SPEAKER_01]: We get a little situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no matter where you come from politically, I don't think anyone's happy with
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and then we had the, what's the patient's name, Alan Billings, who gets bounced back, yeah, and remember they, they, they were going to cover his, uh, his surgery there and not at this hospital.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that, that might be a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, there are, you know, some, we still address like surprise bills, like if you Google surprise bill laws, you will find that
[SPEAKER_01]: and the federal government have different thresholds and circumstances where surprise ER bills like emergency treatment.
[SPEAKER_01]: It only applies to emergency treatment.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in situations where you can't possibly get to a doctor on your insurance, you will have.
[SPEAKER_01]: for life-saving, yeah, just a life-saving, yeah, stabilization and, like, emergency services, then then sometimes you can get that forgiven or whatever else covered by your insurance that was out of network.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not advice for anything like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just two people, these are good in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel for her.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I, you know, I have family members who are in health care, not doctors, but nurses and they're often like, yeah, I got to say late and I got to, you know, do my charting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I just don't have time to do it during the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where, you know, having a good transcription service, you know, AI powered or not that could, you know, you can't submit it until you check off on it kind of thing or something there's ways to put in safeguards.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think there is a safe way to use some of those tools that she's talking about because if she's not wrong, Dr. Alshimi is not wrong in the sense of,
[SPEAKER_02]: your patient is moving from unit to unit, you know, health care provider to health care provider, having accurate and timely charts is really important to patient care overall.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then the other problem is that we're just overloading.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we have too many people are using the system in emergencies when that could have been a preventable thing long before they even thought about calling 911 or ending up in the thing so that you really are dealing with true
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... medical conditions which should be treated outside of an emergency situation right and is the day that they're getting double flow into the e-r the day to really give her a hard time up being behind on her charting i mean this is why like i think i just thought it was wildly unprofessional the way that doctor i'll have to be brought it up like that was it but then now she can slide in the a i thing and say hey you know that's that would that would be kind of gross
[SPEAKER_02]: That would be kind of weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he already did.
[SPEAKER_01]: She did.
[SPEAKER_01]: She did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: She literally did that this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was like, oh, well, my eye tool.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Dr. Robbie was like, that sucks from the background.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you noticed they've been doing a thing this season?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I saw it last night.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I can't remember who it was with.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it was Whitaker.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're doing this thing where two people will be in the foreground.
[SPEAKER_02]: They'll be out in the middle in the charge nurse station area.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then somebody will be all far in the background.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the rack focus back to that person as they're looking across the room and sort of participate listening in on that conversation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they'll bring the focus back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Watch for that because I think they're playing with something where
[SPEAKER_02]: they're using the ambient nature of the show, of the hospital and the ER Department itself.
[SPEAKER_02]: to show us how different characters are being affected and hearing different conversations that are happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's something weird, and I can't remember who which conversation it was, and I don't know why I brought it up at this point, but there was just something weird that happened, and I think it was around the AI conversation that was Dr. Allishmi and Robbie, if he Langden was in the background, maybe that was last episode, I remember.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, kind of off track there on that interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I just don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where you're going with it, but I need to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm interested.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to track it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm interested in seeing where you go with it eventually.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dr. Javadi, if we're going to call our doctor, I think she's going to be Dr. Javadi.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dr. Jay, I think she's going to be an awesome doctor one day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really think she's got an awesome bedside manner.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just think once she gets through her med school residency stuff, I think she's going to be a kick-ass doctor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think so too.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's also got a figure out how to get the like.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, get the book smart thing out of her head because like, and she was better this episode and much last episode, but there, there are moments where you're like, she's still like, ovaly, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, where her and ovaly, like, I think ovaly has been more humbled than she ever was.
[SPEAKER_02]: With like, he got asplosion, and I think he's gonna, yeah, I think not a lot that can humble you more than getting it on.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have notes here on the death duelist stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: You, yeah, thoughts on that?
[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought it was, I couldn't read the room.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who was it that was a Dr. Mohan and Dr. Jay?
[SPEAKER_02]: Was that a... No, Dr. McCay.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was Dr. McCay.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was just some, they were trading looks and the death do the kind of breezes in.
[SPEAKER_02]: It says, I'm the death dola.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, like, okay, cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I felt like they were gonna go in a direction of that this is friction, there's some sort of friction or weirdness in their relationship.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the death dola is advocating for the patient in ways that the husband, I don't know, I was expecting maybe my,
[SPEAKER_02]: trigger sense for story drama were being activated and when in fact they weren't doing that but the setup was signaling to me that was that and then the doctors were and nurses were giving each other looks like what's going on here like what do you think about this and for me so the whole energy of the scene just kind of red funny and that just might have been me reading the scene funny but I'm I've heard of death due was before I've heard some conversations around it
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a really good idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually, it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: This idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, I'm someone who just dealt with home hospice for my mother, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I've dealt with a lot of these issues.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did not have a deathdooler.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was the deathdooler, if anybody, because I was, you know, making the calls and making sure that the hospice was listening to her and listening to the needs, even if she couldn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, something that my mom taught me when I was a kid was, and because she dealt with her mother a lot and her health issues is Everybody needs an advocate.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't have it advocate and like beside yourself, if you don't have an advocate in a health care situation You you're screwed and
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the idea of a death duel because it's someone who like I happen to have already had experience in advocating in a medical situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, if you don't have that experience as it seems her husband does not, the death duel is such a good option of being like, hey, she needs some more pain meds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you step out of the room for a minute so she could talk to the doctor privately?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I just knew you could wonder for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can, you can you can you like both of them needed care in that moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: The husband needed as much as the
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and I did not think the scene was weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that there is still the possibility for some friction.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's going to be a lot of, I think the friction is going to come when it's time for discharge, because I think that the death due to the wants to get her home right away, and the hospital is going to say like, no, you need to wait for the chair to get there, and that, I mean, I literally dealt with getting a hospital bed in a chair and all that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: For my mom.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I know how it can be really hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had to, you know, I spent hours on the phone sometimes trying to get insurance to cover This or that with home equipment.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I understand like having a death duel is Absolutely, I'm trying not to trump it up here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's absolutely, but like you don't even mean it's like yeah I enjoyed the scene because you know, I almost wish I had somebody like that right who yeah, could have Advocated and
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've seen it in my life too in different areas where, yeah, you need somebody who's navigating just the paperwork stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: We, I'm trying to navigate the line of personal, you know, how much to share personally from my extended family or not, but there are people out there who specialize in helping find the right residential care facility or
[SPEAKER_02]: making sure that in a complex medical scenario, your meds that this doctor and this doctor and this doctor, they're not talking to each other, and they're all just throwing meds at the patient.
[SPEAKER_02]: And nobody's looking back, stepping back and looking holistically at the patients well being and saying, oh, these two medicines probably shouldn't be together, you know, and that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the opposite, which is not all there.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's just patient advocacy stuff, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to share an interesting story that my mother did for my grandmother.
[SPEAKER_01]: My grandmother had very severe dementia and she had a very bad infection, like she was almost septic and she, like it was looking like she was going to die.
[SPEAKER_01]: they had in her chart that she was allergic to penicillin so they like we can't give her most of the antibiotics.
[SPEAKER_01]: She really needs the antibiotics.
[SPEAKER_01]: My mom went through all of my grandma's medicine and figured out that one of the pills she had been taking for years had a penicillin derivative in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so she was not allergic.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was an error at some point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: My grandmother survived.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what that's the story I always think of when I say everybody needs an advocate like no doctor picked up on that yeah, which we assume that they are going to right and they're not and and you know what you know what my mom always said I'm sorry to bring my mother so much, but but she was very smart on this kind of thing of advocacy
[SPEAKER_01]: hours like, that's absolutely true.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is absolutely true.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the key is the overloading of the system because we're pushing people into extreme situations when things could be dealt with preventatively and having good health, you know, having good health care earlier on rather than ending up in the emergency.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that emergencies can be true emergencies.
[SPEAKER_02]: When a refrigerator falls on you or whatever it's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, David's going around, you know, if you're looking for the guy who's throwing fridges on everybody in Vermont, that's David.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, it has affected my extended family.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I know that you've just dealt with it as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, not only patient advocacy, but that's due is like preparing an individual to die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like that's a big, especially when you're at home.
[SPEAKER_02]: and you're trying to be still a family under those conditions.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like I will say this, like the hospices, they often mean well, but they also have too many patients.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, anyway, so I actually really like the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think friction could be coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, though, they're still there.
[SPEAKER_01]: They haven't been discharged.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, but let's wait and see what happens with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and that's what kept happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it like, I thought, oh, well, there's going to be some, here's a weird thing, like she's like, oh, let's go get some medication.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, or get her some more medication.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or let's go out for coffee or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought, oh, is this a potential drama point?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because in another show, that's what it would have been.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Death Dula comes in all elbows and is like, I know best for my patient.
[SPEAKER_02]: But in fact, she integrated.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the really, like, I was really moved when the husband and wife had a moment together.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you think about that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And
[SPEAKER_02]: And so every time I thought they were going to throw an elbow, they actually kind of gave me a little hug.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, oh, whoa, this is weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I don't know what this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's what they're doing intentionally from a story mechanical standpoint.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We should talk about body branding before we get out of here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, it's being dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: One, let's, yeah, dude, it's being dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great broke out a few months and I'll try it again.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I texted, I texted Nicole this morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, body branding, is it a thing?
[SPEAKER_02]: And she was like, I don't know, I haven't heard of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna ask my students so she was talking to her students today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Apparently, they haven't heard of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like I was saying before, it's like broken through my news bubble.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know, my algorithm.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's breaking into my algorithm.
[SPEAKER_02]: It'll probably break into your algorithm now because we've said something about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not you, but even the listeners, not you, you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, is it a real thing?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but I wouldn't have reminded me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you ever watch the terrible and very offensive movie, The Beverly Hills Ninja, with Chris Farley?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I can safely say, I don't even know that that movie existed there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really bad everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very offensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not standing by this movie, but I want you to be a kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a scene where he has to get the brand on his wrist.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do ran.
[SPEAKER_01]: He picks up the boiling pot of water with the boiling, boiling cold drink of water to brand his wrist.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he picks it up at an angle.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the boiling water starts spilling on everybody sitting on the floor.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it reminded me of, just branding going wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lovely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yeah, so I don't know if it's a thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I read a whole bunch about it, uh, or just about rights of passions in general.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, body modification has a long history within humanity as a whole, tattoos, and piercings, and all kinds of modifications, as a way of expressing of individuality.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then this weird social media spin is kind of an accelerant to it because people are seeing it and then one up in it and there's a performative aspect to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then in a world that is algorithmically driven and so much of our life is digital, a femurot, it's not real.
[SPEAKER_02]: So doing something as real as altering your body is in a way to authenticate yourself to yourself in a way, which is what a right of passage is in a way.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I don't know, is it real?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or is it a kind of a morage?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it, are we, are we killing, you know, we killed six seven so quickly?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we were all talking about six seven.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the kids were like, ah, it's over.
[SPEAKER_02]: So are we, are we creating a bubble that's gonna pop because we're talking about it so actively?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're overthinking this day, but I think this is just kiddo being stupid and stupid motherfuckers like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Kids will just try stupid stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Teenage boys will try stupid stuff and this is one thing that they I mean Is that it was it was what was it like a sports team logo?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, who's that?
[SPEAKER_01]: So hockey team it's a hockey team so I don't even know Anyway, I think you're over.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna I think this is this is really just like two kids being idiots I think it's possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah Pittsburgh penguins.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're hockey team.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay
[SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: I may be hunting marklies.
[SPEAKER_02]: We haven't used that phrase a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have that name, and what's the lie?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we haven't done our Star Wars film festival.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, we gotta get back to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so let's just come back.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to read.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to read it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, okay, we got Debbie Cohen with the Cellulitis.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got Roxy, Pamler, who's the Stage 4 Long Cancer.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got Paul Hamler.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the Husband, Gus Varney.
[SPEAKER_02]: severe blunt force trauma from prison beating.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So anything that you want to add on that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Mountain nutrition obviously going to be an aspect here, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, treatment of treatment of incarcerated people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the, you know, there's a balance, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you want the people there to be safe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he goes orange and suit.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason he's in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand that, but I also understand like,
[SPEAKER_01]: the guy is like I mean but at the same time like I'm sure that that actually is the protocol and if he if he doesn't follow it and the doctors get injured guess who's gonna lose our job exactly so I I kind of understand both sides of it yeah but it is making the doctors jobs harder
[SPEAKER_02]: another any other show.
[SPEAKER_02]: The guy would have reached for a scalpel and then it would have been a whole like drama, you know, drama.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's sort of thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm glad they didn't go there and I and I just hope that they don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mrs. Randolph, severe constipation, probably stool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so that we've got that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tina Yardley, the tuberculosis patient Orlando Diaz, the diabetes,
[SPEAKER_02]: we knew it was coming.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they were showing too much and somebody there was somewhere earlier on I think he was even like episode one or two people were talking about there's something to do with that tooth abscess and something to do with cardiac situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was some connectivity there and I just long ago and I remember Jackson Davis, the young student we're waiting now we're just waiting pattern for that and then Alan Billings who had the
[SPEAKER_02]: inferior shoulder dislocation just come back.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't think of any other patients.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if there are, that's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not here to hit everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're here to talk about the highlights.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anything else?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm looking forward to next week.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad that the show keeps avoiding too ridiculous plotlines.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're still having fun stuff like the what the hell is going on with the penguins logo branding.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're in good shape.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a good season so far.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what else we got going on on the network?
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got 97 kingdoms coverage doing a joint project with properly Howard on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just recorded relative to this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's out now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it already out?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's already put it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, good.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's our instant takes with me, Steven Anthony, this week, that's kind of a rotating cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you guys are going to do your full deep dive next Monday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's going to be, I mean, it's on schedule for the week, but it feels late because they did an early drop.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just going to make a work on the weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm busy this weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you'll have the instant takeout already so you can get your taste of coverage.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll have that full dive out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you are doing Wonder Man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we did a wonder man.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing it in two parts episodes one through four and episodes five through eight and the thing about that is we are taking a commercial break or if you're a subscriber and you don't get the commercial break you still get the little break music.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and we're talking about each episode in kind of a standalone fashion and progressively so that if you haven't watched the show you can at least kind of catch up as you can jump into the podcast at the appropriate episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we're doing a thing where we're just sort of taking two or three items each from the episode to sort of talk about the episodes a whole.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I am up through episode 4.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just actually watched episode 5 last night.
[SPEAKER_02]: and we're going to be recording early next week, I believe, and we'll have that out mid to late next or episodes 5-8.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Alicia has her Oscar coverage is rolling forward.
[SPEAKER_02]: She had some of the thing out about shorts and she had some stuff about animated features.
[SPEAKER_02]: So keep an eye for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's all we've got really going on in coverage.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm recording next week and we're recording some early and stories finally in Maryland.
[SPEAKER_01]: Finally.
[SPEAKER_01]: Turin, Turin Barr, he's coming in, the tragic tale.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very depressing, very game of thronesy, Tolkien tale.
[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're wrapping up the similarly and we're approaching the end quickly, which is good because there's more book projects coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm cooking up some of the big.
[SPEAKER_02]: I heard it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I heard about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I was going to mention to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if people are Olympics fans, but I was thinking maybe what you're watching on the Olympics,
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... which is our subscriber only uh... i'm not doing that but you have fun okay right i was so curious to see the other thing is the the muppets they released a stand a little muppets episode and i heard it's really good so i think i was doing a carpenter yeah i heard it's really good just in the clips but it does look really funny
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I want to do what you're watching about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I'll do that one with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'd like to see you in the car, but I like the hits.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool, cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: And did you grow, did you have much experience with the Muppets?
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, not really.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just not big on them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a thing, a time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so we'll, yeah, we'll see you who else around the network.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we'll get a couple of people together for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Never mind the music.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just had a cool episode come out about how albums, how track lists for albums get put together.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a really cool conversation.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was another podcast or I forget his name, but guy who's been podcasting since podcasting was basically invented.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and I believe he's the host of the one hit wonders podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was very cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, what else we got?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there's anything else going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did the Ramblers, radio actor, Ramblers finish up with um...
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I might have been this week, so I don't think they put it out yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So probably more coverage coming from them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: On radio actor Ramling is, I know probably Howard is getting rid.
[SPEAKER_01]: It getting ready for their next season.
[SPEAKER_01]: The new other than season?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The newlywed season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Other than, uh, middle of the seven kingdoms.
[SPEAKER_01]: So play stuff coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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