[SPEAKER_01]: Let's start this episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You made grunt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, uh, safety.
[SPEAKER_01]: Third podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can, you know, you know, life.
[SPEAKER_01]: My life has gotten so much better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once I like realize I could do whatever I want it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's nothing stopping you unlocked free well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you know, I don't, this is what I choose it on.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a grunting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some, some, the poor souls listening to this after just I like Instagram posts that are like, the skies out there exercising is free well.
[SPEAKER_03]: or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like, so one of them was a guy who was on one of those balance sports, he had a whip in each hand.
[SPEAKER_03]: He had a harmonica in his mouth.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was wearing a cheese.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not a guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was another guy that made a hole, like grilled cheese sandwich on a bike.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like a time lapse of him riding on a bike.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody else it like stacked all of his chairs on a kitchen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know just random stuff I could just like man spread as like much as I'm right now Now you can't And I can fight over who gets the most realistic for man spreading Hey, we're like the same color pants.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we are nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't we more mess up the noise?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, sorry, I'm trying to, I've a thought that I, it's not fully formed, but I'll say it anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, just, you're talking about free will.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I don't know, just, do you think it's, I don't know how to form it.
[SPEAKER_00]: How to phrase this.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think I'll, No, no, it's not controversial.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not controversial.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just trying to, like, say it properly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Basically how you said, with your free will, you can do anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess it's a extension of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like,
[SPEAKER_00]: isn't it crazy that anybody at any time could do almost anything, which includes a lot of bad things, but the number of bad things that happen is like shockingly small compared to the level of ability that people could, you know, cause destruction and totally agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I totally agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that it could be so much worse.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what stops people from just, you know, like, you know, running you over, like you're on the crosswalk and someone just decides that, like, why do they, because they obviously fear the consequences, but like, why?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was just like, it's not really a philosophy podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that philosophy or psychology?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the difference?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just regular human brain.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it all kind of just,
[SPEAKER_00]: no matter what you do like talk about it all goes back to how you just kind of don't want to screw yourself over so it's you want to serve you're driving on this yeah just survival so you're driving on the street and you're let's see like I'm mad I want to I'll take it out by running these people over you're like well that's going to make my life so much worse
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but what if you don't re-produced your kid has graduated college they have their own family now Like you're free to do whatever you want.
[SPEAKER_03]: You fulfilled your body.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not your job No, you haven't because you have to keep those grandchildren alive as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's like actually a grandparents like later job
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you have no kid Kevin Kirt Kathy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the illusion Kevin thinks he's free once he has grandkids He's like I can finally go crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he goes to have it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to actually take care of them Suddenly it's a longer management is it's like the fine line between like you got your if your anger is not helping you survive.
[SPEAKER_01]: You like can't
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to hold back because like anger management is where your anger like the sort of male I would say maybe this feels like a male phenomenon, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I just I'm sure there are women in the management, but I just I do I do I do I do feel like men tend to get more angry more a more more agro more agro agro definitely is a masculine word to me and maybe it's like the balance is off
[SPEAKER_01]: But you have some problems and so you actually tend to, um, uh, you let you let the anger over while I'm the survival.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then that's why you go to anger management because it won't survive if you keep behaving like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think because I mean, this is complicated, but I think that, I mean, definitely anger overrides most of it, like a lot of other emotions and inhibitions, which is kind of like the point of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like obviously you're really angry at something or
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're socially anxious, you might just forget about that for a time being, because it's like you need to do something, and then the moment you let your anger out, that's when usually reflect on your actions and be like, man, that was either good or bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so that's the body.
[SPEAKER_00]: It serves its.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It serves its purpose, but what I was going to say is like you're talking about like dudes being more aggro.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that, I don't know, this is not my expertise, but I feel like some of that is just by like testosterone and being a guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think a lot of it, too, is a lot of guys just don't know how to even express emotion.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like- Because that's like- For lack of a better not, can't say what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like they play that game where it's like-
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some sort of conversion value going on where it's like they convert like, you know, one frustration into two rage and it's like all of the all the other emotions just funnel into rage and like the
[SPEAKER_01]: but whatever is right in front of it's probably the or why it's mad, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's just completely not solving the problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like whatever it's called, if you have two dogs in a cage and something happens outside the cage that makes the dog angry.
[SPEAKER_03]: It'll just attack the dog in the cage because it just has to do something that anger.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's too fucking stupid to figure out like how to solve its own problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeez.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the energy of fortune?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've ever been there.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's it?
[SPEAKER_01]: What is the angriest you've ever been, Nigel?
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like magical.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I feel like Kevin's gonna have like a I'm I'm calm Kevin to me feels like did you ever go to anger management as a kid?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, why do I seem like no?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I would say if I knew what's in your mind, I don't know what's in your mind, I don't know what's in your mind, I don't know what's in your mind, I don't know what's in your mind, I don't know what's in your mind, I don't know what's in your mind, I don't know what's in your mind, I don't know what's in your mind, I don't know what's in your mind, I don't know what's in your mind, I don't know what's in your mind, I don't know what's in your mind, I don't know what's in your mind, I don't know what's in your mind
[SPEAKER_00]: And instead of you thinking, Oh, he manages his stress well, you go, Oh, he's like a ticking time bomb like there's something I am a sniper.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am a sniper.
[SPEAKER_01]: I identify as a sniper.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: My sort of social aggressions will be from a very safe spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if I see an opportunity to like essentially lob a thing for whatever reason in whatever scenario.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like that's how I do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like I'm not sort of a front runner front liner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I see what happens if front line like.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kevin, I agree with you that you'll be on the front lines, like based of bass with somebody, like the guy on the guy in the, the, I'll, I'll see of that one flight we took when they're playing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Kevin, Kevin will get into a fight with somebody who's sitting right next to him, and then I being one seat away will also join, but I will never get into a fight with somebody if I'm sitting right next to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that's, that's something up pretty inward.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then what happens is the knack, I get more mad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, two of us, you don't care as I'm in the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to do care.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you know, trying to, I was, I was making sure my shots were nice and on target and not being too sloppy with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like kick as I asked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can I agree with that because there've been many times.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like not like many probably like you know sub 10 But it's something has happened where we as a group we point out I don't know maybe a guy's an asshole like he says something and it's Kevin who's always like I'm gonna go talk to him And I'm like Kevin down
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're very confrontational like not necessarily in a bad way though.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like no, I'm a very good instigator and I can go both ways I can either mess with somebody or calm them down.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're good at like mediating but then not making it better Well, I can tell if it could get better or not.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I have a good read on that and if it like if I can't make it better I'm just going to have fun with this situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But very accurate.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the angriest I've ever been has changed throughout my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I would say in elementary school or something, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the angriest you've ever been is like, I really hate that kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: That kid sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just kids being assholes to each other, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that, you know, later on in life,
[SPEAKER_01]: anger, I think anger and frustration are different things, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when I say I'm so angry, I probably maybe just mean frustrated.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like anger to me is like you want to, you know, maybe retaliate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you're entering into like a retaliation thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you almost have to do something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like because it's us like going to pick up the turbo chef of Facebook Marketplace and then saying that, oh, they actually don't want to say like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, maybe it's like that's on the threshold.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were some of those ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was on the threshold time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not going to like attack them physically.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because that wouldn't have been solved.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to solve my problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like I would put their phone number on Facebook.
[SPEAKER_01]: Marketplace offering, you know, something for free.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lots of people on the message.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, I didn't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like I thought about doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but like anger, I think the anguish I've been in a while is like when somebody does something, this does not happen frequently.
[SPEAKER_01]: That like will greatly affect the amount of work that you have done negatively.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, you know, I would say it's like open sauce, specifically, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of battles that you have to fight to make sure that everything happens because there's so many people involved and there's like it's such high risk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, like it's sort of like some brightzilla energy right where it's like this is everything that has been, you know, like many people millions of dollars has been spent up into this moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you get in the way of this or do something that causes, you know, me problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not, you're not personally offending me.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are offending my entire like lineage.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it's like all of the the work that you've put in you just like somebody negated all right it's like it's it's not this is not one day you're talking like a freight chain of days.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like all tunneling into this single day or single and you just like derail one of the party somebody exactly so it's like somebody coming up and making a split second decision, which for them was like, oh, they woke up this morning.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't think about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: They came in and they're like, oh, well, actually this and you're sitting there looking at them like.
[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't been working on this for a year and you just woke up and then came in and decided to sort of, you know, do or, or, you know, being in, like, there's, I, I'm not going to say specifically what it was.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who hurt you?
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say they did hurt me, but this was, this was, I would say the only time in my life, I have felt like physically angry, where like I was like, I don't like to fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was ready to wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like where, you know, all of this stuff, which is, you know, relationships and employers and employees and contractors and all these formalities was basically being boiled down to physical violence.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm gonna kick you on the boss.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really, I would call that like nothing sort of lower than like rock bottom right where you have like, imagine like two CEOs, you know, like instead of if if doing wars like we do, it's just the the world leaders.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can do can it in a ring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like you all of this sort of like professional the facade of, you know, society just sort of fades away and you have two people ready to kick each other's ass.
[SPEAKER_01]: That I would say is probably the angriest I've ever been and that that I would that was like truly Anger truly like I will I feel like I'm I need to defend my my like my life and my family like this will cause me more problems like a lot of problems What are you Nigel?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's a bit of a question to ask when I'm, what's the, oh, I might not ask.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, there's, I have, I've moments of clarity, you know, and the rage simmers, um, no, I, I find that like, I feel like when I was younger, I used to get really, really frustrated at things, but I have over time, it's less and less, and I find that,
[SPEAKER_00]: to try to think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I, how much were you were saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: But, no, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you said there's a difference between like frustration and anger.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like, I feel like it's normal to get frustrated.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, with like, just projects, you know, sometimes disappointment with things, like it's frustrating, but I just kind of like let it go, because I learned that holding onto that, you're just, the only person who suffers is yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're just like, oh, I'm really annoyed that, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, you can just wind about it and cry all day, but then it sucks and then you also just were annoying to everyone around you and to yourself for the whole day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're not really doing, you're not doing anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't really, I find it hard to get if I do get frustrated or mad.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it's like momentary and then I'll think about that and go, yeah, better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what let's basically just like, something like, I think for me, like something that I always have been sort of frustrated or slash angry with, it'd be like, like Fusion 360, for example, like the CAD software where it's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, like, I, I pay money for this and it should be, I don't want to say it should be better.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a lot better now than it used to be, but like, I'm like, I pay money for this and I know that they have like, you know, it's a big company, this should be better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then like it doesn't necessarily like it doesn't get better, but it should be better and people complain about I mean I know of complain specifically, but like a line you're like drawing a line right you go click click it draws a line you hit escape it doesn't finish the last line you're on it cancel it out but then you spline tool you go click click click click click click and then you're done you hit escape and it deletes the whole line yeah like like that kind of stuff where you're just sitting there looking at this and like this is like a multi-billion dollar company
[SPEAKER_01]: And I pay, you know, it costs like $700 a year for this offer.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't buy it outright.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like that to me, and they don't fix it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's like, that's what you get there.
[SPEAKER_03]: This or displaced aggression is because how can you be angry at this company?
[SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing you can do.
[SPEAKER_03]: So then you go and you punch your wife or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, I'd prefer the cat.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was flying very far when you kick him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's how to fly.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's very satisfied with your much better things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have two things to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: First, when I'm speaking here in echo, I don't know if that comes through on the recording.
[SPEAKER_06]: Don't turn you down.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really.
[SPEAKER_00]: And secondly, I find it's like, I have things like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like programs where they just are annoying.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like honestly right now for me, I feel like just the entirety of Windows 11 bothers me.
[SPEAKER_00]: But.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like just every time I right click and the op, it doesn't show the whole window and it says show more options.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just mad.
[SPEAKER_02]: But why do you still need to be fine?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why are they changing it?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's like, I come into my ass.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like a rearrange my furniture and make it shitty.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm mad.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not frustrated.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pissed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like someone did that to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I have no rigour.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny because like kind of what you're describing for these things I let go because I'm just like The only person who it's like unless I literally am just gonna ditch windows
[SPEAKER_00]: it's it's almost like just you have to practice acceptance and just get over it where's I feel like a kind of but it's like I do feel like everyone has certain things that just make that do just bother them and they can't let go and for me it's very specific but it's
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very specific.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's if I do something because like, you know, let's say there's like a website website layout or something dumb that makes me think I have to do something.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I follow these like this procedure and now I have a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I tried to solve a problem, but I've created one.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like one example was I wanted to, this is years ago, but I wanted to, um, what's it called?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when I clicked a button and signed in, I guess I was confused.
[SPEAKER_00]: I clicked a button and it goes, it's like, thank you for, oh, sorry, I thought I was adding a US bank account to my bank account.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when I clicked Enter, it goes, thank you for signing up for one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your new debit card is in the mail.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I didn't want a new bank account.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to add like to my existing one and then I called the bank And this was during the beginning of COVID.
[SPEAKER_00]: I called the bank.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a four-hour wait time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: On the phone and I know but at that moment I was mad because I'm like
[SPEAKER_00]: I tried I decided to sit down at the computer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said I five minutes to solve a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not only was my problem not solved.
[SPEAKER_00]: I created a problem and I don't even know how to fix and I knew the debit card was going to show up two weeks later and I was just going to be mad because I had to cancel it or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: maybe attention I think is important but that I feel like for me like the intention like a raccoon is a raccoon like if there's a raccoon sort of fucking with my thing like I like what could I possibly you know when you go camping yeah and there's like all the trash cans for bears and yeah warnings and it's like okay like it's a bear like it's sort of this biblical thing like you have no control over it has no control over itself but when you then get on the free way and some asshole changes lanes and front you without using his turn signal
[SPEAKER_01]: But you, I'm angry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, big, like a new bed.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then they like disregard it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it like a social construct?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a social construct?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like animals don't know that they're doing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't have free will.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: You try.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't want to mess with you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe some monkeys will do it with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: But even like, I think of a lot of the time, like, when my, if your cat jumps on a mouse and starts tearing it apart,
[SPEAKER_00]: We are like, oh my god, that's horrific.
[SPEAKER_00]: You should have been like, oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like the rat terriers.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were like fighting over these live rats.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was awful.
[SPEAKER_01]: I sound unread it and I shared it to our viewers.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: the difference between that and when you're playing with a good toy like to them there is no like if you give them a little toy that moves around versus a mouse it's the same thing it's just one is more fun I guess like it's there's no morality to it like they're not
[SPEAKER_00]: thinking, even, oh, I killed this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just is no brain power.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, it's hard to get mad.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm like swimming in the ocean and a shark bites my leg off, I'm not mad at the shark.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, he's just being a shark.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's hungry.
[SPEAKER_01]: What about what's like, you wouldn't, yeah, have you experienced something like, I feel this a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this is my like, my slowly becoming wisdom where when you get frustrated or angry at something and then you realize that like it was, it's actually really hard to do and the person like either didn't know or aid, you know, be did know but like it wasn't like probable to fix the problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think that's why I'm sort of specific with like Fusion 360 as an example or just Fusion I would have whatever that like call it is like the how it's like it is the billion dollar company yeah or where people get frustrated with YouTube it is like it is a billion dollar company but you know oh like actually here's up here's one where I was angry um when we're doing this squid game mr. B squid game thing and I was buying that special program in cable and
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the guy like accosted me being like, oh, well, you should have read the documentation and it's like, well, I'm not going to like, it's literally one thing that you should have put on the main page and ended up changing it later, but like you shouldn't have to open the documentation to find like a very important detail.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like you open the page and you have all these cables all basically on one page exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: They all have this like weird kind of code after the, uh, like ambiguous product name and so I, you know, I basically, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: I was pissed and then I also like I remember having like I like I bought several things from this guy And I had them like overnight something and they like didn't they like just waited a day or something like that We just paid like you think turbo shipping whatever the maximum option or it's like you buy two like two-day shipping and they ship it out two days later
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that one I was really mad because he like basically paid for as much as I could and I was He might like I was like trying to be as on top of it as possible now solving so many problems at the same time that someone telling me that I had to read the manual to know what voltage it was even though it like it just it was so misleading
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, like, that made me mad because I felt like somebody was charging me a premium for a premium product and a premium service and then they were telling me that, oh, well, you actually have to do a bunch of work to experience my business correctly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, but also at the same time, like I was rushed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was, you know, kind of demanding a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then there's other situations where like maybe it just is like you don't know it's going on like the website sucks, but like maybe it was just like they made it themselves and it was the best that they could do, you know, with some website building service and they're not a UX design and it's just like their small business.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think I view it kind of the same way.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like I find every time I get annoyed or mad, I always do try to think about the other perspective of like, is it reasonable, am I expecting too much from, you know, this person or thing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Also like I said, I,
[SPEAKER_00]: Tell myself, am I getting anything from being mad or am I just kind of making my day worse?
[SPEAKER_00]: So usually I re-divered it to just popping off about it, but in a way that's like kind of funny, I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my brother will laugh because I'm like, oh, like, you know, these people doing this, but it's a kind of a joke.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I get to vent a bit, but it's at least funny in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, my brother laughs.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope he's enjoying it, but I was gonna say the one thing, it's you mentioned it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said the things that you think you're solving a problem, but you create something worse accidentally, or it's specifically what you said.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you're paying for something and you feel like,
[SPEAKER_00]: for whatever reason you're not getting what you paid for and over and shipping and then they ship a three days later.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they just don't care or they're making no effort.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they just don't care or the company just kind of sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: So exactly what you said, when I was building this office, I needed a sink like the next day because the contractors wanted to put it in.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I paid like, I think it was like $300 to overnight, like a $300 sink.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, literally what you said, they took four days to ship it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, why do you offer the overnight shipping?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, don't offer that shipping.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you're creating this sort of misleading thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But also at the same time, maybe they literally just connected the shipping thing to their website.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they have no fucking idea how it works.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, but I was going to work really fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: But will, but will, that's the part that I said, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll give him a chance.
[SPEAKER_00]: I email them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when they were like, every day, they're like, oh, to go out today.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the next day, oh, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be out today.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then by like the fourth day, I'm a K-look.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like can I get a refund on the shipping to like oh, we already paid for the label and they just picked it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like what's Well, it's I'm like it's day four.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the guys like well if you have a problem you can contact FedEx You know what I love is they'd be like well at least you'll get it in four or four days instead of eight But well, you know what the worst part out of all of it was was I forget I think it was the service that I got they shipped it it was like
[SPEAKER_00]: One or two days shipping, but I paid on like the weekend and they took into the Friday to ship it So you didn't get it into them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't get it into a monday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm like I was like What I was like this isn't and they're like up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've taken up with FedEx if you want to refund and I'm like my problem isn't with them
[SPEAKER_01]: That's with you the worst part of all this is like the charge back will only go after the thing you bought to like if you go to your bank And you're like won't it won't account for shipping like unless they just straight up didn't ship it But still charged you like I think that even if they shipped it like a year later They would be like well send the item back and see you end up in a situation where it's just it's just I think the other I want to add I want to add to it
[SPEAKER_00]: The worst, too, is when you do order something, they do ship it the day that they say they will.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then FedEx just says, or UPS is like, oh, unforeseen delays.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're next day shipping becomes like five days.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they're like, oh, it wasn't like the guaranteed service.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just we claim it was next day.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they're like, if you want to refund, you can
[SPEAKER_00]: They go great.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can contact us.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you do and they go, oh, you don't have our contract.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to contact the company to contact us.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's like
[SPEAKER_00]: there's just this barrier to do anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Amazon's been doing things a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let it go.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they have all the two day shipping or the one day shipping.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you get the, you know, one day shipping.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it comes like, you know, they misses the truck or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll deliver it tomorrow or the next day.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I used to just say like, okay, deliver everything on the Amazon day, you know, or like just do the two day shipping.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't care when it gets here.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then like, I had them mess that up enough time.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like, oh, you know, we mess the schedule delivery like two days and advanced three days in advance.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, how do you do that number one?
[SPEAKER_03]: You had all this time and you can get people packages like the same day or overnight by 4 a.m.
[SPEAKER_03]: But somehow it's like one in three of my packages get delayed somehow by Amazon.
[SPEAKER_03]: So now I don't even feel bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just do like overnight 4 a.m. shipping every time because screw them because then when you're best that up at least I'll get it like in two days.
[SPEAKER_01]: Instead of I want to definitely have a couple of things where I order it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't show up and there's clearly something wrong and I it's every time it's faster to reorder it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then wait for the second one to show up and then just return it every single time like if you order something and it gets delayed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just reorder instantly like no questions asked instant there's an issue order, especially if it's like an ASAP thing that you need for something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, you know, I've Kevin sort of seen a video with it that we if you've worked on a cat warehouse and in the past six months and you've noticed some of your orders haven't showed up well that is that is imagine that if Amazon did that you ordered something and it showed up like five or six months later.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but you're that case that you were talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're just some guy some guy and something got really messed up and and I've been we've been I've been going through.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a business or anything at the new year.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's good and it will it's going to get unfriced.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's in process of being unfriced, but like I'm like trying to I it's actually like so embarrassing
[SPEAKER_01]: and such a cluster like between shipping inventory to like open sauce and back something out really messed up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so there's there's a handful of orders that literally never got shipped out and I think they never got shipped out because we did not have inventory of some things and like I have no idea what happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I now have to like go through manually and like
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what I have and then refund, but then there's like some I like I genuinely There is some stuff that you can ship out because you have it installed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then I like there was stuff that then there was like I was able to order But then some things I can't order more of oh, yeah, and so and I'm sitting here and I'm like man if I was someone who had bought something for me I would be pissed So the one thing I'll say that might help you that might help you
[SPEAKER_00]: I find that like we talked about the things that we all get annoyed about if the person on the other end seems like they're actually trying to solve something or they feel bad they goes a long way like they just go my bad ice screwed up your totally right you're like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: What am I to be mad about right now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I've been, I have a stack of of note cards for the orders to write, um, uh, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, fuck you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for forgiveness.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, that was a pretty big stack.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I just had that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kevin, there's like 1000, you just opened the entire pack.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was already open.
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone else had opened it and then it was already, it was actually already on the table.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, I should let just put a note in each box.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, there's like stickers and some stuff got destroyed in the rain like the big rain that happened, and so I'm just like I'm sitting here looking at This and I'm just like, wow, this is gonna take me like two days and then all the fulfillment is gonna take like probably no I actually just messaged a merch company.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I don't want to I don't want to do this anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone please do this for me
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you have to do like states sales time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's like there's all like it actually like you have 50 states that have different rules and they all come in and they say you this that would make me angry dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: I yeah actually if you make you two videos and you sell merch and you're thinking about fulfilling the merch yourself just fucking don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't tell you how much money I've lost or not made.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like actually like whatever money And because there's this thing that happens when you you know if you're making you two videos and But you're still just like a normal person.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like us.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're kind of normal people, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think we're kind of insane
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're just like, oh, I could like, I could make the t-shirts myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I made a t-shirt.
[SPEAKER_01]: I made a silk screen printing machine and I was in high school, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I made out of wood and it was really shady and like, you know, like, like, mesh from either of those fabrics, or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you multicolored rotate and ever printed multiple colors.
[SPEAKER_01]: I only printed one color on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you could have done it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so like you make YouTube videos and you're just like, oh yeah, like we could make shirts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like why would you pay someone to make the shirts when you could make them yourself?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're like, well, we could chip them out myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you like you at some point you realize like, this sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like a whole other business.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's always the shipping that sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so like, there's this thing where you're just, you like, you think, you know, you could do it yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good use of your time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, the best advice I could give someone in regards to like running their own business is do just one thing and knock it out of the fucking park.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do one thing, exactly one thing and do so fucking good of a job out of it that like nobody can compete with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't print the t-shirts unless that's the thing you want to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to print t-shirts, that's all you do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you make designs?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you fucking print t-shirts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody comes to you and they say make my t-shirt.
[SPEAKER_01]: You fucking make it and you give it to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to ship things, you want to be a warehouse.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't fucking sell your own shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just ship other people's shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they pay you money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, don't, I swear to God every time I've tried to do stuff to myself that I'm not good at, it always gets fucked up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, just to stay in your goddamn lane, your piece of shit, your fucking stupidity do more than one thing, do one thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I look at like all these, you know, when you go like a town and there's a bunch of houses that are like way more expensive than anything you could ever buy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, what do these people do for a living?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do they do that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Turns out they just do one goddamn thing really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of, like, what do they do?
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're all good.
[SPEAKER_01]: One thing or they're rich.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember there was a story that a contractor here told me about, I mean, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like somebody told me on a story about some dude that he worked for, who was like stupidly rich and he said he was like helping a build like A lake in his front yard or something in the cost like millions of dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember exactly, and I remember the question had was, holy crap, what does this guy do?
[SPEAKER_00]: And the guy's answer was, um, he, he prints instructions on paper, like he literally, his entire job.
[SPEAKER_00]: Killing was he print, I think he said one of the big businesses was when people would import like Chinese machines.
[SPEAKER_00]: He would translate the manual and reprint it in English.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the, I'm like, whoa, this guy's building a two million dollar lake on his front lawn and all he does is translate and reprint manuals.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm telling you, you know, like, how does he have anybody because I've never gotten a coherent instruction manual with the Chinese.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, imagine how bad it would be without that guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is why like every I would just be in Chinese.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it at least do that the courtesy of them trying to have a Google Translated version I remember one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was like my laser tube or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was to keep talking about tampons and I was like Yeah, I think it's a it was like what's the generic name for I think yes?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it I swear to God.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a tampon
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and it like the, the, it's like a sponge or it meant like it was like a cotton swab, okay, and I'm just like I was, you know, reading this instruction menu like excuse me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, uh, like what size doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: The big ones, the small ones.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, one thing that made me really mad was this one time I was at Chick-fil-A.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they have the double drive through.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know where the cards have to zipper and burn.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this big white truck went when it should have been my turn.
[SPEAKER_01]: Social contract.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was with Sandra, and I honked the horn, and the guy rolls down the window, flips me off, and then stands on the gas and just blast smoke all over me.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all over the car, you know, the windows are up and like, you know, there's not enough cuts.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to hurt him.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had a gun.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't have hurt him.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would have shot his precious little truck right in the engine.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't think that I'm going to do that, but also I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think everyone that's like, it wouldn't make me feel better in the moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I know that I should do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I should do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, you would have been like, I don't know, I don't know how to describe it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have right now other than like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I feel that with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is why this is why this is why video games exist, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I play a lot of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just sort of get this out of Kevin.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, because guns solve your problems in video games.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You do solve your problems in real life, but then they, they, you realize that they actually, the social contract has been built in a way where you're not allowed to solve your problems like that, generally.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so then you cut yourself more problems.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like you solved your immediate problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the anger management, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's to like help you understand that that's not actually a problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, but are you saying it's bad that even have that thought?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, that's why I'm so confused right now is because you even talking about the story made me have that thought as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, but I also know that like, well, obviously can't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but he did deserve it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody should.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying somebody exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody should.
[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody should do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I have too much to lose to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you did it, I'd be like, oh shit, not that like, oh shit that was fucked up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be like, oh shit, now we're in shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but if someone else came out and didn't, you'd be like, yeah, fuck you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like, um, you know, yeah, and then like, you know, and leave, yeah, right, Luigi.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what we need.
[SPEAKER_01]: We need more Luigi to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Chick-fil-Aed Darius through this takeout, whatever that of that breed that of man and a giant truck who will roll coal on a car for honking at them when they take their spot.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, every time there's protests and like the Black Panthers come out with their guns, they should just contract them for Chick-fil-A.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would, if I could, yeah, I think, yeah, there's I have, yeah, that feeling will get me into trouble.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I just sort of, um, I definitely am the most aggressive that I am on a daily basis is in my car.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily drive
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I just had to be careful my towels in the car like I have to turn it down, but like when she's not like it is, it is a kind of playing video games for me Florida's really bad though, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's completely different than California.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I've had people cut the line multiple times Insane drive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, here is like just like it's a greedy driving here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like Florida and some other places is like in It's like aggressive doggy dog like I got mine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it's like
[SPEAKER_03]: like literally aggressive, you know, they would, like if you don't slam on your brakes, they would hate your car.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're on math.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what it is, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just Florida, probably math, or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, God, you know what I see.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just hear, here's actually something I bought the other day.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't make me angry, but I do feel like we're in the realm of anger.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't show you this, but I told you about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Almond Rokak, Nigel, do you know Almond Rokas are?
[SPEAKER_00]: I am not familiar with
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're these like little candy that looks like cat turds, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they have this sort of actually can just open the tin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it doesn't really matter.
[SPEAKER_01]: All-man-rock, it's like, you know, the Pharaoh, Pharaoh, Pharaoh, Pharaoh.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you call this fucking thing?
[SPEAKER_00]: The chocolate bar, Pharaoh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pharaoh, Shay.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like that, but like a shitty version of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's sort of, sorry, John.
[SPEAKER_01]: The original butter crunched toffee with almonds.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I saw this tin at the grocery store caught my eye because it looked, you know, the art on the tin looked like AI, okay, and it is, and it's not just AI, it's a completely AI.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see this?
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_01]: That looks beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this, it didn't make me angry, I guess this is not really my like line of work for me to feel angry, but it made me feel lower.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that good?
[SPEAKER_01]: Something close to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, is it nice and focused now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, John's getting a nice zoomed-in shot of the almond eroka tin.
[SPEAKER_01]: So on it, it's got this elf holding like a torch and it just, it's like underneath some sort of like grandberry tree and it feels like kind of a gen to AI image generator, like it's not bad, but it's got way more artifacting than I think some of the newer models.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this made me question everything about almond eroka.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like because if they're like he's so wrote skimping out on the artwork.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that she put that's all there And though the cheapest out of this whole what else are they skimping out on what are they being cheap with like if you wanted to make this Ten the least expensive thing for you to do and then everybody could do is make the fucking art
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I have an artist that I use all the time and like I this would cost me like I mean I don't I probably would only cost like a hundred or two hundred dollars maybe if I wanted to spend a lot like with iterations like a thousand dollars by the most it would cost to render a piece of art Yes, this no like why
[SPEAKER_01]: Why do that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why make the like front cover of your like food product a 100% AI generated image?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm sorry, is there no safety net in an organization like this to be like, hey, yeah, you know the meme of like the board meeting where they throw the guy out the window suggesting something that needs to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even the Coca-Cola AI ad is like less of a of a disaster in this almond rocaton like at least takes some human intervention to put that together This is straight up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they do have to compete with the commercial.
[SPEAKER_01]: They got like sure sure it's it's it's what it's there's a tiny bit or this is literally like I could generate this myself and just email it and that's it is done.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not an emboss or anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just the almond rocat logo is emboss
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, and I have one, I've never had it on my phone.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, yeah, I mean, it might actually, they might have just straight up made a matter of actual cat shit now.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, you know, like, why, why do that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why sort of like, I don't know, I think it's like sad little bag too, like almost nothing.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I wonder if it's almost something like, they bought that from a supplier and China kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: The tin?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the whole product, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, well, the almond rock is like a candy, a specific candy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it could be like this company say like, I don't know, a food distribution company.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like Cisco, they would say like, oh, like included in our catalog.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have almond roca in festive holiday tens and all of they they've done is just buy a both order of these from China that then they resell kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's like three levels of packaging.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, would you guess that this tin had 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 11, 12, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that this doesn't really make me feel anger.
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes me feel like more confusion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like why would you advertise to your consumers that your sort of company is not opposed to, like removing all human elements of a brand?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think that, you know, like those Super Bowl commercials, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was Super Bowl commercials, like a big thing for the Nigel growing up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think kind of, you know, they dominated the internet, like early internet is like dominated by Super Bowl commercials and I think that, you know, when you watched them, it was almost like watching a movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: where you're like, you're not literally watching a movie, but it was almost like, oh, like you purposely went out of your way to like watch the Super Bowl just for the commercials like when I was like, I don't care about football or a lot of sports, but like if I was watching it, I was like, oh, the commercials are like really funny for the Super Bowl, so it was like an event, right, it was sort of this like,
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, a celebration of human creativity of like, who had just the funniest, best Super Bowl ever?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because they know they're trying to sell you something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they're also trying to make a good comer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a competition basically, like sort of which company can hire the best, you know, creative team.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, and so when you think of it like that, like my thought is, oh, uh, it's a bunch of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: like this company is people working together.
[SPEAKER_01]: And their goal is to, you know, do something.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then you get this almond rocatin, which is the exact opposite.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, this is just like one guy in a room who's sending, you know, a link, like a freaking email.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's small and if you could put it in the email itself, the image.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I see the 10?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's just it's like devoid of human effort and that makes me feel like it's not special and that there's other parts of the organization that are devoid of human effort like is somebody sweeping the bugs off of the factory floor.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: In made in China product of the USA.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They definitely made the art for the 10th.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they probably made the whole 10 design too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't doubt it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They go in there and they say, we want a 10 that looks like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the company says, OK, there might be variants of it, but it is kind of unique enough that they might have had as specifically known.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that if you wanted to do something like that, and you had an origin of quantity, like I don't know, they're probably making 100,000,
[SPEAKER_01]: more, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You would just say we want one that looks like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: They would draw up a design and that company is so good at making tins.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're good at one thing that like what what you and I see as a relatively challenging project of like how do you make a tin like this is not even a question for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just tell them the shape you want and they just make your fucking tin for you and you're like, cool, that was easy and it cost you, you know, $10,000, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: and then you make 100,000 of them, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's like, they're still effort being put into it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're still our humans behind the scenes and that probably is a custom shape made just for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why the fuck didn't they not just pay an artist to do something cool in the front?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or at least do a better job with the AI.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's the most offensive part.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like how un, you know, filtered the AI results are.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, all of the lights, like the windows are, yeah, yeah, like the snowflakes are all weird looking the houses, the windows are in weird places and a skew.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now we're going to unwrap it and put her in our mouths and ask any questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like white grandberries.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: No cranberries in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: What the hell is a red berry growing off a tree in the middle of winter?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't make me angry just makes you feel like.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes you sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes me sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's how I feel.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just makes me sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think for those types of things, I'm not mad, I'm just kind of like what you express.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just kind of confused because you're like, this is not the cost saving move.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, it just makes people think you're bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just makes you think people think you're probably like a shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I find that like, I don't know, I feel like that's just how a lot of companies go because I always have the same question or it's not a question, it's just a comment where I feel like everyone's experienced this where you go to a restaurant that's been open for let's say a month or two and it's great and then over the next like five years it just gets worse and worse and worse and worse and
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, you don't know the finances, maybe they weren't making money in the first little bit, but it just seems like a trend where it's, it's just cut as many corners as possible and push the consumer to tolerate as much as you can, but then also part of the plan is act shocked when people don't buy your product anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: The classification.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like not in a way,
[SPEAKER_00]: That makes any sense because like there's a lot of stuff where companies will, you know, change the way they do stuff and people getting like even at some companies when they downsize they come around they tell people hey look like.
[SPEAKER_00]: the people just aren't buying this anymore we have to downsize and even workers never happen to me because we work you two right but like I remember growing up by friends who's parents would get laid off and the dad would even say like I get it he's like we just weren't making sales anymore like what could we do.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I feel like that kind of those moves make sense to people and they will accept you.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're stuff like that, tin.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're just like, I, it's like, what are you doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's so brain dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so brain dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's only said it will.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes you think the cookies are worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, I guarantee they are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if they're having this conversation, they're definitely having that conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, like you're just like how much did you save a thousand bucks like it doesn't make sense like how can we use gutter oil instead of regular oil for our yeah Candy like 100% Makes me and it makes you not want to buy the metal anymore Absolutely Like I will this will be something that lives in my head subconsciously forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like you can see that
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you see one that looks like a real thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll be like, you know what, I'm going to maybe give them a chance and I don't know, it's just crazy that you be willing to lose customers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a little too blunt.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a little bit too like bald.
[SPEAKER_03]: The like the choice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really quick, your mom wants you to open your car unlock it.
[SPEAKER_03]: See if Potato has a jacket in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay, come back with which car.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm guessing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Chelsea's car.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was gonna say Michael one night.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can open I will.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can just actually the best part of this car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why not see movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's actually great that you can like turn on the car to for somebody.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've done that like from around the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I don't I think it like from Australia or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: If it was trying to get into it and something was wrong and so I was able to like unlock it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know a man.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just I think that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I like stuff where people try, and I kind of feel like, you know, I don't know how to, I, I feel like that's going away a little bit on YouTube or just the internet in general, or it's like people putting effort into things.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: trying to accomplish stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And instead, now it's just like, let's do things that people will consume, which I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like a good business.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's all.
[SPEAKER_03]: People are just trying to extract as much as they can from you for the least amount of, like, investment, or not.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they're like, men maxing the, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you, how to get stuff from you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I, when's the last thing we went to the movie?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like a year ago, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think it's it's longer for me, but then I'm also thinking like, well, I haven't really, I don't really watch movies at home, I don't you do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't really even play games anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that might just be me that having too many things going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I think you'll like you watch series series show anime slot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's very like compartmentalized, where you can like it's easier to leave after 20 minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, you don't have to get invested in this whole story, yeah, um, but I don't know, I just I feel like like you can do anything, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like Nigel and I were talking earlier for sort of recording about just like how much power the average person has to do whatever they want.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, you could you could program something and it does something and you can solve a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why this asshole keeps leaving is he's turning his camera on enough for like 30 seconds to record footage for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was wondering, yeah, I was going to say I have to explain, yeah, it's basically that, but I solved it because when I went back, I realized that the next segment is like 30 minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just swapped the SD cards.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for at least the next 30 minutes, I don't have to move.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why don't you just set up when you are ubiquity cameras?
[SPEAKER_00]: I decay.
[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about things that make me mad.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's one of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's just stay off that topic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now basically, I have two ubiquity cameras there.
[SPEAKER_00]: One is the old one and it works fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other one is just terrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the board say one, the G4 is no, it's like the little instant one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I don't have to use AI or something, but literally you all text as garbled, you can't zoom into anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually borderline unusable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a. Yeah, there's something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea what's going on, like basically I have a 4K and 2K camera.
[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is the 4K camera is so trash up close that to get the focus or something you have to pull it away twice the distance.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now, when you zoom in, you see the same thing as the 2K camera.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know how to make such a problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nigel, you just drop your camera on the ground.
[SPEAKER_03]: I dropped one of my big cameras and it like the lens shifted a part or something like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the range of focus was like between one inch and one millimeter.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So then I'm like, oh, I got this and I like hit it on the ground again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, and then it fixed it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But now I was like far-sighted.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I had to like, bashing it back and forth to like get the focal range right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kevin, I don't I don't know man.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that's my solution it's on the broken.
[SPEAKER_00]: The problem I have is it's just a process that is taking all day, but I want specific little shots of I have a pressure gauge.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the problem is, for example, this little stint it's a heating ramp.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's three hours and I'm like, I don't want to record the whole three hours, but I need to kind of know what temperature it's at at what pressure.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I need to like just I just record the pressure and then say the temperature.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I know it when I'm editing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but it's like I want I need to I want the certain numbers on the gauge.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why I keep going I kept going back because I want to.
[SPEAKER_00]: to just have the footage of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even like, it's a weird thing where as the temperature was going up, the pressure was going down, but then it inflected and started going up again, which I didn't expect.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why ran out twice.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I need to get the inflection point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, another thing about the ubiquity cameras that annoys me is if you want to do a time lapse, so you have like the entire timeline on your screen, you can select like the start point, the end point and it just creates like a, I don't know normal time lapse, but the problem is it's all glitched it's low quality, it's like the worst thumbnail files.
[SPEAKER_00]: What mind is usually pretty decent.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, mine's like for some reason, it's, I don't know, 48 or less.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought of another thing that makes me, that made me mad for someone else, that I know if I was in this situation, I would have been like thoroughly enraged.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yesterday Kevin John and I we scored some solar panels.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, we spent $500 and we got 22 panels.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that this was our like once once in a quarter or like once in a half year score, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and just the tire will actually just both three out of four tires.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we drive over the water home to get these panels and I'm like, I kind of asked to go, I was like, why, why do you have these?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like a house and I like this is a normal house.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like why do you why what happened?
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, well, we got the roof for place.
[SPEAKER_01]: and the the roofers uninstalled them like poorly, and so it was like too expensive to reinstall the panels on the new roof.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they would have to pay like the like installation cost a whole new installation onto the roof.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's like, you know, half the cost of getting these panels and is members to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kevin, when you tried to get the air conditioner done, what did they tell you?
[SPEAKER_03]: had to be their ace right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it had to be their ace that you bought from them.
[SPEAKER_03]: They wouldn't like let me they wouldn't install an air conditioning unit that I bought online from a supply.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what do solar installers really want to do?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it installer solar?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or cellular.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think there's a chance that like what, dude, I would have been, I like actually would have been so in a rage.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they wanted to have the panels reinstalled, the solar installers like wouldn't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They would say, well, it's old equipment.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can't warranty it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We will not reinstall it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now imagine everyone that's got solar installed in the roof that did it like 15 years after the roof was previously replaced.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now essentially has a panel array that's like a half of its shelf life.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they're like if you the panels will work for 30 years, the roof has 15 more years left on it now you're basically going to throw the panels away because if you take those panels off 15 years later, and you break like one connector or one thing that you can't replace or is a panel to replace the whole things back in the company that's installing it would they would just say, oh, we don't want that kind of liability and I mean you sign something saying that the panels weren't there fault.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, if you got them to eventually, if you pry hard enough, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, I actually, like, it just made me realize, like, I don't know, man, I just have this feeling like collectively that everything is your problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we all know that, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, but like really everything is your own problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if someone is selling you a solution to that problem, I swear to God, like 80% of time, it's not true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, like that's why I think like you know if you start a business and you actually like do that thing and you sort of build that trust right like that's the hardest thing to build with people is trust and an easiest thing to destroy with people is Yeah, and so like I just I just have no there's like certain industries I have no trust or like solar is one of them right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty much any of the like, yeah, each back electrical plumbing electrical like higher rated than age like each back and solar to me are like the lawyers or real estate people of like home improvement like they're just something about, you know, it's been like a real estate agent we're like they're not they're there to like snake you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or like you know lawyers kind of the same way like that feel like lawyers are better than real estate agents.
[SPEAKER_01]: What else do people like careers that people despise like.
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of exploitative of society because like lawyers are really adding thing to society they just like you know help yeah there issues definitely yeah uh a leech like a pilot you know flies people around right yeah a lawyer just says well now you owe this person money yeah and also me money a lawyer's like a refrigerator right it always makes a room warmer society would just continue to function if all the lawyers just disappear for the most part
[SPEAKER_01]: I think society would not function if the part of this thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do we what do we do about this like like should we ask our lawyer about if we should I don't know I don't want to get sued.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to get sued We should ask the lawyer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, there isn't any lawyers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well Like I'm just do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you like with the solar panels right like yeah?
[SPEAKER_01]: You hire the roofers and they just come in there And they're like our job is to like rip this roof off and get a new one on in two days
[SPEAKER_01]: Are they gonna be nice to your solar panels?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are they trying to them know?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, okay, we'll cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: These people didn't give a shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, they broke my stuff, and then, who do you go to to like, remediate?
[SPEAKER_01]: A lawyer?
[SPEAKER_01]: or insurance or something like that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Am I?
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like you could get a lawyer to send them a strongly worded letter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Repair my $30,000 worth of damage to the solar setup.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you do?
[SPEAKER_01]: I swear to God for me personally, I feel like the only solution.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just like, I hate trusting people.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hate it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hate it so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every time, I just like pay someone to do something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, well, I should have just fucked it up myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, instead of paying you,
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like lawyers.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good use case.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just thought about something that because you were talking about being mad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was for mind of me.
[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I was mad about recently was I was just driving, you know, trying to drive home at night, you know, very normal day.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you go through a 25 school zone.
[SPEAKER_00]: exactly just just normal driving for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was raining and I'm just driving on the street and there's a construction zone, but
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't really pay attention to it because it's off to the right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I drive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can see that there's like something had been done to the road, but it looked fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looked like nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a little puddle.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hit it and my tire just explodes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what happened is they had actually cut the road away.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then where the puddle was it was like a deep hole and then on the other end of the puddle was just the sharp cut like concrete And there was no nothing over it or anything no code nothing absolutely nothing so I'm like well And at first I thought it was the city, so I was like, okay, well, I'm pretty annoyed But when I realized after it was a private business that probably paid the city to Cut it I Screwed up and didn't take a photo the night of
[SPEAKER_00]: and I went back in the morning and a cone was there and I was like and the thing is my friend who was meeting somewhere, he also hit.
[SPEAKER_00]: the same thing and thought he blew his tire up.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it wasn't just a me thing, but now I'm like, how do I prove that this even happened?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a private business.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, if my contact was up, I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was like, if I contact them, they're just going to go, okay, sue us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, it's like, so then I said as a joke, I'm not actually going to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, because the whole lawyer commentary made me think about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: that's when you start to go you know what i don't need to sue you i won't get lawyers i'll just go back at night because they were built it was a construction site i'm like you just put up your nice new windows yeah no maybe or maybe a rock will go through one of the windows and i'm like you know what
[SPEAKER_00]: Now we're both suffering.
[SPEAKER_01]: The contract of society has dissolved and now they have rocks in the windows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you go to them and you say, hey, your construction site broke my vehicle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can you be for it?
[SPEAKER_03]: They say no.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then you're like, I'm going to throw a rock for yourself.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to get $800 out of you when they're out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I get to keep it or the fucking windows.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not allowed to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like for some reason you're the bad guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think it's funny because it is this weird thing how, in no way, are you remediated, but somehow knowing that they're suffering, doing this month or more, you're like, you know what, we're even, and life is okay, even though you still have to change your tire and you're dealing with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is how managing the gathering works.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just, sometimes you got to cause pain for yourself, cause pain for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you guys have
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably what you could have done.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then, you know, it ends up just being like, I mean, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: A waste of your time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's a two year weight period sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And but at the time you show up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What you're even mad about.
[SPEAKER_00]: To your team.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying that in Montreal, it could be one to two years for them to hear your case.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's like a hack.
[SPEAKER_00]: You open another aisle.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they do at the grocery store and shit slammed.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my the thing is I thought about it for a couple of times like a couple of instances doing it But then you're like I get a show up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna show up to the court date because by the time it rolls around I'm gonna be like I don't even remember what I was mad about.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not gonna show up either and then it gets written off You never should never show up schedule for two years.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll they won't show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll say whatever you they'll have to Just give you 800 bucks and then you just made a hundred dollars at there
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, imagine $800 in your jacket pocket.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that would be sick.
[SPEAKER_01]: A present or an international name is card.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm such a, I'm such a pandemic, asshole in those situations.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, so I think with what is funny about it, though, I just thought about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a funny premise.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a problem that you have.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, I want to go to small claims court.
[SPEAKER_00]: The company's like, OK, take us.
[SPEAKER_00]: You both know that.
[SPEAKER_00]: if the case happens in a year neither of you are probably showing up so it's like a game of whoever shows up wins but you both know that you don't want to show up yeah that's like that's like the single thing and it's like it kind of makes you let it go
[SPEAKER_00]: It made me let it go on the, like, very quickly knowing that I would double.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but like knowing that I would not show up to court made me realize I was not willing to do anything about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I'm letting them keep doing that shit and get away with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I'm not willing to fight for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you do this is you're literally Batman.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what people say are going to shit for doing crime, but do you know what people say?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you soon to lay down and take it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kevin.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say I'm going to throw a rock that through their window and then I'm going to lie down and take it and I'm going to like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, maybe it'll, it'll help somebody in the future won't help you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's even worse, you're even worse, Kevin.
[SPEAKER_00]: They took grocery store and there's not a lot of grocery stores in that area and I'm probably going to give them business.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes something businesses were shitty to customers and people just threw rocks.
[SPEAKER_03]: through their windows like little notes on them.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a France does it, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They would stop being mean to customers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you, Docs why?
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though it's a waste of your time, it's like setting up a price for that behavior.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll like collectively make everyone look better.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, hey, we could do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But also, I'm gonna double check to make sure there's a cone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just wait and line for a year to get to small claims court or pay a lawyer $2,000.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's cheaper for them to just not show up and then pay it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also seeing that there was a cone there early morning.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I, I actually just think it was somebody on the work site, just made a mistake because I went back at like, I went back at like 9 a.m. And it was there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, deep.
[SPEAKER_00]: put it back right when they got there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's a calm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I'm saying, but nobody can play in that time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes they put like a metal like, yeah, the clever, the epic or like, ancient ethics, you'll play it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm just saying that if they were like, I'm over it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have gone around.
[SPEAKER_00]: But my point being is that it made me think that, you know, some random worker just packed the cone up when the day was done accidentally.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't
[SPEAKER_00]: like this overarching, you know, construction company being like who cares because for it to be the right in the morning as like nobody lodges a complaint that anyone listen to so obviously it's in their routine to put the cone out just some person took the cone in when they were done for some reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I see I don't know because then I like it goes back to sort of like all the stuff we do were like something slips through the cracks and you're just like, well, yeah, how was I supposed to catch that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like let's say you put a cone on someone stole it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: How did that have been also like maybe should have known guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I should have been in steel plate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, you know, no one's going to stick in.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't really.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you could steal that plate.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like I doubt it could steal the plate.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually also it's funny because most of the time too you're like who would want to steal that but I recently came into possession of a pretty sturdy table base and I was talking today that I need a good steel plate to go on that's yeah, I like to tell you where you're going to those yeah you just And you were on the road when I won high-wing California, but what's insane is sometimes those steel plates are like blocking like actual
[SPEAKER_00]: like deadly hole.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you took it away, they should have held it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I should have made them thicker.
[SPEAKER_03]: They shouldn't have put lifting points on them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want you to use like a medium sized tractor and a big one of those big magnet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like those material magnets, I think they could pick it up quite a bit away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do I just I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I have to do everything myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's kind of like the second channel motivation is like, here's all these things were like the power isn't on here consistently do it myself like don't trust anyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, assume that like nothing works right assume no one's taking care of anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're you are the only person out for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it doesn't matter how much money pay people you can't pay them to give a shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like that's sort of those valuable thing that's why keep going back to like if you start a business.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do it really well be the person that gives a shit like do that one thing and do it great.
[SPEAKER_01]: You saw the video that I also making his like a vinyl cleaning stuff right you like built this like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I saw that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that you like look at that and you're like, wow, like I like gives a shit like he's does a thing like vinyl wraps.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, like like vinyl seats for the boat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Personally, I think he's making a mistake.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing the thing, which is he's actually running a second business.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's a reason in industrial automation that you buy these like PLCs and all these larger controllers in didn't rail is that when something breaks.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can just get a new one.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when something here breaks, he's going to have like a whole like several days down with his production line and then if he wants to sell his business, nobody will buy it because his assembly line can only be maintained by him.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he was saying he made like 500 a day or something like that 500 bottles a day.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now imagine if the line goes down.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's like.
[SPEAKER_03]: how much of mud just send all of that chemical send it somewhere else, somebody else fill it in five minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and then use your extra time to like grow your business bigger.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do think that I am also wrong because that video is probably one of the best marketing campaigns for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just stand by like from all the lessons I've learned is doing that stuff yourself, especially the complexity that that assembly line is
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we'll fuck your ability to scale it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like at the end of the day, what if his business succeeds, he's just gonna farm it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to be farmed out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: What you're saying, at least he got started or cheap, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's the, if you summarize everything I've learned running the channel is kind of like what you said, only do the things that only you can do and that you do well outsource every single thing that somebody else could do that does, that you have confidence they can do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like one example I give is like obviously when you start your business and you don't have the budget, you should be sweeping the floors, but it's like reasonably, there are cleaning services, just hire a cleaning service or find someone who can do it, like start outsourcing things.
[SPEAKER_00]: If there's like a job title that exists for that position, it's like you should try to just put someone in that position.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like for example, if you need a counting work, it's like
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, there's some crappy accountants, but finding them should be a priority versus you spending, you know, let's say 10% of your time doing paper work like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just not worth it and taxes like just get someone else to deal with all of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some stuff, like, somebody, another YouTuber, I think it's like Wes makes or something, left a comment on the video, we were trying to repair the tractor cylinder.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That we fucked up with that retention ring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did we?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, I mean, we got to be back again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I gotta be back again, but I'll be just, this is my last, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably the back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, basically, I was thinking, I was like, you know, he's like, oh, yeah, like pay people to do the cylinder, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was thinking, and I was like, you know, because I had the same thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, what about you just pay someone to do the cylinder?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm like, well, then I, I still have to take it off the tractor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I have to bring it somewhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I have to go pick it up.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you have to wait two weeks in between.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then and then put it back on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, the hardest part of the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: was actually like getting it open and then taking it off and like kind of cleaning it up and put it like it only actually is like half the work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right, like definitely like the more I thought about it the more I was like this really it wouldn't actually save me a lot of time To go and have somebody like unless they showed up to the house To like take the cylinders off the tractor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then take them back to their shop rebuild them and then bring them back Like but how much money would that cost like I had I asked for like an oil change and like hydraulic filter change once on the tractor and they like quoted me like 1200 dollars
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just for an oil change and you know, with that cost me to do myself was like probably less than 200 dollars and so you're talking a thousand dollars with the labor and I'm like if you could do that in one day, which I definitely could minus fucking up that first retention ring like that already immediately makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm not gonna make $1,000 in that day.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, let's say I'm lucky.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I was like, I'm not like a tractor business.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like a guy who happens to have a tractor that's like not critical.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like a hobby tractor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do use it, but like if the tractor stops working, it doesn't get in the way of like my job to pay bills.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think like that's maybe where you draw the line is if you are doing something that's a part of your job to pay bills or part of your business Then it makes sense to pay somebody Yeah, but like for even like the solar panels like like installing solar here if we were gonna put the panels on the roof professionally I would pay somebody to do that
[SPEAKER_01]: But because we can just like throw them in the yard on like a stand that we make ourselves yeah like why and it's not critical to like the powerful here is like you know what I pay like 300 to 400 a month and you pay like the same it's a lot But also it's powering all the editing computers and this the server that stores all the footage and everything like there's a lot of stuff going on and it's like Why bother Like like my my actually like is paying thirty thousand dollars for solar panels
[SPEAKER_01]: And then also like the roof needs to be redone and so like am I going to pay 30,000 like pay you know 20,000 to repair the redo the roof and then another 50,000 to put the solar panels back on the roof or just leave the roof go spend 3,000 dollar wire 3000 bucks on copper wire like run power up from the yard and then you're like power it that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you know the way I see it is that you've saved so much money like getting these solar panels for this cheap now you can splurge on a nice inverter exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, a three phase in one that just works very simply.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know like a three an actual three phase inverter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, a lot of our bullshit shop problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then you have to run fucking power.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: So just so far so much wire.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like 50% more wire to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Damn it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I don't know, I have, I have such conflating opinions on every time I do something, I think, like, should I pay someone?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I realized, so I'm like, I started doing, we talked about the organization.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been doing more, more organization that the tote shelf.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the tote shelf is these 16 quart totes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I got the something right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to come over with it about sterile light or something?
[SPEAKER_01]: They're right, they're right, they're like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like pretty expensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe I think I paid like $200 or $24 of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're like 10 bucks each.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have like a nice, like really kind of robust clasping lid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they're high quality like micro totes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I wanted to make those sliding shelves or see I've like the aluminum angle.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a foot long or 14 inches long on the side and then the tote like slides like the lid of the tote slides onto it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the tote kind of like the hang.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: The belly down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I cut them all, how did the aluminum we bought at the CEO, the metal, yeah, and it took a while and then I ground all the edges down and that took a while to like on, you know, because aluminum is a nightmare to cut, it just falls everything unless you're using, you know, like a bunch of burrs that will catch up at the classical catch on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I probably spent, and then I spent like an hour last night drilling all the holes and maybe an hour and a half.
[SPEAKER_01]: I made a jig that's just a piece of like a two by four with some like three nails in it to like align it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think so I probably in total spent four hours cutting all the angled trays for the for this storage toast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I was sitting there thinking, you know, I said, well, what if I had just bought two baker's racks and then use all the shelves for just one baker rack, like throw away the other legs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you have like the shelves that are just, you know, like eight inches apart from each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you stick the toats on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I would have built that in an hour.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it would be done already.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they're too deep.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're too deep, but this is the other thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, is if you have a baker's rack like it's a shelf.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can stick other things on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and how long would it take for you to start putting other things on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, five seconds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right and so like I'm like I'm sitting here and I'm like second you take a box out just like somehow spray paint us Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like I was sitting and thinking myself like number one I think that like this kind of custom shelf is like it looks nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it like look cool I mean, we won't look that cool
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and it will be impossible to store anything on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a 16-core Starlight tote.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was sitting there and I'm like, that's sort of the only redeeming quality of what is probably an entire day.
[SPEAKER_01]: One entire day.
[SPEAKER_01]: like start to finish of cutting all the aluminum because it's like it's like a hundred at least a hundred pieces of of angle aluminum that I have cut and sand and drill.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I drilled like 200 something holes had to sand grind out 200 something slides.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was sitting there for a long fun time doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that worth it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or should I have just gotten the baker's wrap?
[SPEAKER_03]: it's worth it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You think it's worth it?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's worth it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because part of me feels like I hate those metal racks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hate them too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And but I felt kind of stupid last night as I was sitting there like just drilling and drilling.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, because it's it's part of, you know, you like doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I do, and it's fulfilling, but I was starting to think like, well, this is like, I'm trying to organize the grudge for my business.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can make more videos in my workshop.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, is that something I should have just paid for a baker's rack.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the answer is.
[SPEAKER_03]: The baker's rack like the wire, the wire, the wire.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, they some bakeries for some reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I was going to make a joke and kind of what Kevin said.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, you know, you enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to convince yourself that it was all part of the, this is, this is the enjoyment of the process.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, I kind of like the paying for things versus doing it yourself is something that I found I've been having to like force myself into because there'll be things where
[SPEAKER_00]: For example, let's say I need a part and it's a $5 part and I go I really need this part But I also have to do a bunch of crap, but I know if I go to the store and come back It's gonna be at least 45 minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then I go I look on an app like some whatever delivery thing And I go I give a delivered but it's gonna be 15 bucks for a $5 part and I'm like that's a scam And then I find myself driving to the store
[SPEAKER_00]: And then thinking, I probably really should have just paid 15 bucks and then did 45 minutes of something that actually worked versus running to the store feeling like I was like tiring, I want to say tiring myself out, but like moving around for 45 minutes just to get back and be exactly in the same spot like man paying 15 bucks was definitely.
[SPEAKER_00]: The smarter thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I ran out I'm running out of nitric acid and I want to buy some more But I don't want to pay hazmat and shipping.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, you're like, I want it like today.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I wanted it yesterday So I'm looking in California like for please you'll go drive like two out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's not that your thesis is interesting like LA that that will sell it, but it's not your day exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like, dude, why don't I just have an Uber career bring it to me?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it would be cheaper than the house mat and shipping fee.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then that place doesn't allow you to pick up at their, their warehouse.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know I'm even picking up the solar panel system so hard there, but
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we we left we like left to pick the solar panels up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because then we had to like fill the tires up on the RV and go get gas.
[SPEAKER_01]: We left it like two.
[SPEAKER_01]: John had to be back here five.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think like that whole thing took us three hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was like a little under an hour there, a little under an hour back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think we like we basically maximize the like loading
[SPEAKER_01]: John and Kevin like shuffling them in from the back and then I was adding them into the motor home and my shoulder is man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, God damn.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that was three hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was like half a working day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: like what the like was that actually worth five hundred dollars right like you know saying like if you paid somebody a thousand dollars to deliver fuller panels to the house yeah like that would be better i think well i mean considering like you know if you had an hourly whatever my hourly and john the hourly like
[SPEAKER_02]: Even, you know, it's starting to approach this like we had to have our own vehicle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's motorhome that's ready to fall apart.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you had to get gas, you had to get gas, like damn.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once you factor those things in, because even to a smaller degree, there are conversations of how to round here where it's like,
[SPEAKER_00]: You could even then go, let's say you go, okay, John, John could go and pick something up.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then you kind of factor in, you're like, well, how much?
[SPEAKER_00]: How much would I be paying John to pick up this item?
[SPEAKER_00]: And so as you're like, let's say in the time that he'd pick it up, it's gonna cost like 30 bucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you go, but I'm getting him to return an item and I get 10 bucks back.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, whoa, it, I'm paying $30 to get $10 back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I might as well just not return it at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like I actually cheaper to throw stuff away or just give it away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like some of the stuff I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, because then you still have to have somebody's bookmark to do this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just set some aside for them to come and look out and then I'm in like I met people at the office.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just be like anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I want it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, thank God.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good will, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like driving, like even that, like I do it because I like I hate wasting stuff, but there's like nothing has solved more of my problems than an industrial 40 yard dumpster.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that industrial 40 yard dumpster has like there's some sort of therapeutic property that like no professional psychologist or therapist could ever provide to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like it's just I call it this like it's the disappearing machine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it just.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's a thing here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, look at that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's fucking disappeared into the 40 yard dumps.
[SPEAKER_00]: I find that it's one of the things that would hold me up forever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I would have things that I hold on to for years only to just throw out because there's something in my mind I go it's just wasteful.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll have like this random bits of brackets.
[SPEAKER_00]: the worst is when you buy a lot of like furniture or a key a crap they'll ship it with just like these accessory brackets and i'll always think all keep these because you never know if you need to put a bracket in you i know but then i have a bucket of them and i would then just keep holding on to all of it
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's the same conversation before it's not about storage.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about accessibility.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're able to store them in a way where they're accessible, it's worth keeping.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the things that go in the bucket, the accessibility has been destroyed because the amount of time to sift through them has increased the amount of effort to solve this problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the bucket is like the worst way to store something to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you also forget the idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's so like inefficient spacewise.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I find that some stuff, just recently, the super power I've acquired is actually being able to throw stuff out because I always have that thing going, oh, it's wasteful.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just completely wasteful, but it'll be like small stuff, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be just like
[SPEAKER_03]: Like a tape measure.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can always get off of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the fuck is that for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: What if I need that, that like metal kind of thin shim stuff in the future?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that actually what you have it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, then take it out of the goddamn reel and just put it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like I actually use that because then I put like sandpaper on it and I can put the sandpaper into like thin cracks and but I only needed it once, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Just go ahead and put it in the kitchen.
[SPEAKER_03]: What?
[SPEAKER_03]: But sometimes it like kinks.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like I should cut it the whole thing into one foot segments.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know just to be sure Fuck you like you can make like a 25 foot long or 24 foot now snap bracelet Kevin I actually when you said tape measure a mind me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would tape measure where the you know the walking mechanism.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah It just broke off
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that every time you can't you can't see the tape measure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so you have to hold it and every time I use it, I go like this is a piece of trash, but the problem is it's on day by now 24 foot long snap ring.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even go that far.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just go it's still measures.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just like the moment the measurement's done I'm like oh, it still works and I'll put it back in the drawer and I get tricked every time and I hate I get angry at it every time But I never throw it out every single time I go to Home Depot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I buy a $3 or $12 foot Stanley tape measure No, it fans are but they're in stock.
[SPEAKER_01]: I buy at least one
[SPEAKER_03]: Why do they keep them like by the checkout line another by the they're in the tool It's a tool section power tool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're like yeah the toll foot because it's like you never need 25 feet most of the time No, and they're so small.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're like a quarter of like the one less than the other way smaller
[SPEAKER_00]: What I'll always get is the metric slash like Imperial ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nope, it's not $3.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, oh, I love those.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you flip it over and metric.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can have flip it on of those here by one of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that goes on this on the shelf.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's my blue every time you go to home D. But you buy a $3 one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh, there it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a, oh, no, that's a fan mail and this one probably cost.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Your contributions on Patreon are the only reason that we keep doing this financially.
[SPEAKER_01]: So much keeps the lights on YouTube ad revenue is bad for this podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's all the swearing and tax.
[SPEAKER_03]: John, turn the lights off.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, look at this.
[SPEAKER_03]: We need more Patreon's console lights just went out.
[SPEAKER_03]: You better come join us on Patreon and then you can play it and watch the extra.
[SPEAKER_03]: We stop paying our utility bill.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, make me run out of peace.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Patreon.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: You ran out of power, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole backlock too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why he wouldn't want that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just be vomiting.
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