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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey there folks, my name is Ian Levittstein, and welcome to episode 276 of Comic Timing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pardon my dust this week as I've got a cold or something that's making me sound a little froggy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm gonna be doing my best to not talk as much as I usually talk on these episodes, and oh, we be as poignant as I possibly can in order to ensure that I don't entirely was my voice by end at the night.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see how that works.
[SPEAKER_01]: But either way, we got a nice panel of crew with us blue team here, Jamal, I go back again, Jamal, how are you?
[SPEAKER_08]: I am good.
[SPEAKER_08]: I hope you feel better soon, Ian.
[SPEAKER_08]: Hello, everybody.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's been a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has, and thank you very much, Raf Suhu, who cannot be here because he feels worse than I do right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I feel better soon, Raf.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, and yes, Drake is much chicken soup is humanly possible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, good evening.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good afternoon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good morning.
[SPEAKER_03]: Guten Tag.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it could be any time at all when they're listening to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So any of those are.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the magic of podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: You could be listening to me walking through a cemetery, Amiring the lovely snow, which is how I usually listen to podcasts these days.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because guess what?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been snowing a lot here in New York.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Woo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: May it melt soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Donovan Morgan Grant here in probably a less snowy location?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm guessing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I am about three weeks ago, maybe four weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had to evacuate our house and say the hotel for several days, because we had a terrible winter storm down there in Nashville.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that was then, everybody, go by the new DC history that the Dakota incident out at a available local public store today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And glad that you're no longer evacuating your house, because it's just one thing that your area is not used to is storms like we normally have.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: 18 inches, like that was though, I don't know if we can have that much.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, geez.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and here just in time for me to introduce him, it's it's it's Brent Cassina.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Brent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hello.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hi.
[SPEAKER_01]: How are you doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we, that's one of us.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway,
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just happy because he doesn't have the shovel or stop through yellow and black snow or anything horrible like that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, absolutely, but it's not my my heaters not on the fritz.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's been on and off because it's it's been a thing.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, we can handle 30 degree weather at night multiple days in a row apparently.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, but 30 degree weather where where you are should happen like once in a December and that's about it then like I mean you you go below 60 there and and it's like a national and like a state emergency.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, yeah, everybody freaks out.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's warm you all up with some comic conversation here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Before we do, just some housekeeping notes real quick, I posted about it on the comic timing fan group, but for any of you folks, I mean, if you're listening to this, then I assume that it's already resolved, but if any of you guys are having issues with the feed in any way shape or form, please let me know.
[SPEAKER_01]: We recently migrated the feed over to a new host Red Circle, and that's what we're going to be hosting our files for the foreseeable future.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll still be able to find us at Comic Timing.net.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's also a Red Circle page now, but I'm going to be cross posting everything that they are.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just the actual feed for the show redirects to the Red Circle feed.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you clicked on the feed directly from Comic Timing.net, it will redirect you to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: should be there on Apple podcasts and any of the other places that you find podcasts at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, if you're having any issues, just let me know and I'll try to address them as they come up.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing of note is that it's not happening yet, but there will be a point in the future where we may very well have some small ad breaks in the middle of our episodes here.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is part of the integration with Red Circle.
[SPEAKER_01]: all what you guys know when it's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not happening at any time soon that I'm aware of, but when it does happen, you're just going to hear me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to be like random insertion ads about condoms or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just going to be, you know, like, you know, pro promos that are relevant to you, hopefully, and will, you know, basically help us support the show in in other ways.
[SPEAKER_07]: So just, you know, if you're reading them and doing double untunters like that insertion of condoms, they are lucky to have you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're dancing.
[SPEAKER_08]: Especially with that voice that you're doing right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: I should do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I should do all of the promos when I'm a little bit sick because that'll just add that extra raspiness to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That'll just be that much more delightful in the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you really?
[SPEAKER_07]: Those books are clearly going nuts right now.
[SPEAKER_08]: I know, I feel like I'm about to hear the smooth stylings of Ian Levin's scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: And come back up, your latest copy of Zodiac Academy, listen to the lyrics.
[SPEAKER_01]: And coming up next, some smooth jazz.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right, some smooth jazz.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: Leave those snakes alone.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: And actually, just as an update on top of what I was saying here, turns out there are going to be some programic ads inserted as part of Red Circle.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just keep an eye on that and let me know whether or not there are any ads that you
[SPEAKER_01]: find would not be well-suited for the show as I can add in exclusions and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, eventually we will wind up having host red reads, uh, that'll make life, uh, you know, a little bit more, uh, comic timingish.
[SPEAKER_01]: with these advertisements, but until that point, there are going to be some insertions.
[SPEAKER_01]: For the most part, they're just going to be beginning and end as, guess what, we have over 250 episodes, and for me to manually go in and find the middle point of most of those episodes would be a bit of a pain in the butt.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I am going to be experimenting with also putting in some advertisements mid show on new releases.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, let me know if there's any weirdness there, if anybody gets caught off or anything like that, and I'm going to immediately remove them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a test phase and a test project as much as anything else.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're just looking to, you know, generate some further revenue towards keeping the show going and stuff like that and red circles giving us that opportunity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's get to cut topics of conversation here before we get into our thoughts and opinions on Wonderman, which is the main reason why we are here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to get a little bit into DC and Marvel crossover information that has been coming out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, we discussed in previous previous episodes that they're going to be some crossovers involving Superman and Spider-Man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are now fully confirmed at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Marvel's going to have theirs, DC's going to have theirs.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're also doing facsimile additions of the original Superman and Spider-Man crossovers from the 70s.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, the biggest news that came out this week is one that I honest to God did not see coming, and that is, there will be facsimile additions released of the entire run of JLA Avengers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and this was.
[SPEAKER_08]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is, this is brand like brand new news that came out about four days ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and basically every other issue is going to be printed by the other company.
[SPEAKER_01]: So issue one is going to be by Marvel issue two by DC and then someone and so forth until they reach the end of the four issue, uh, many series.
[SPEAKER_01]: But from there, one could only hope there will be a collection available from more than the, you know, thousand people that got a hold of it in the last time around, because, you know, seriously, but this is, this is huge news quite frankly, because this is something that, you know, was a stumbling lot for many years to, to get back into print because of the relationship between Marvel and DC, and literally the only reason why they did it the last time is because George Perez died.
[SPEAKER_01]: So very happy I see that feel like,
[SPEAKER_07]: I feel like his passing and then putting that out there a couple of years ago, they're probably like, at least on the maybe the lawyer side of, we're like, hey, you know what?
[SPEAKER_07]: This actually was not that difficult to do, you know?
[SPEAKER_07]: So maybe that's what spirited and if it did so well, it was for hero initiative, another only a limited number of copies, which I thought was like, honestly, it was kind of dumb.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: you know because you still have people out there trying to sell it for hundreds of dollars and it's not that money's not going to hear of initiative.
[SPEAKER_07]: I thought they should have reprinted as much as they wanted and gone all to hear of initiative because it would have sold like gangbusters.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh yeah, you know, I hope they do reprint the newer version of the trade.
[SPEAKER_07]: I have the older one, you know, if they do that at least, maybe I know people are hoping for like the reprinted absolute, but
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: No, I still have an absolute copy.
[SPEAKER_08]: So, but this is, I mean, there's no reason for them to have not done it before now.
[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, it's good.
[SPEAKER_08]: I like the idea that they're splitting the costs of actually printing the, the, the facsimile additions.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's the, uh,
[SPEAKER_08]: a good way to go.
[SPEAKER_08]: But I think overall, I really appreciate, as an observer, I really appreciate the stereotypical operation that these see marble seams to be sharing at the moment.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know how long down the last, you know how these things are, especially if there's like a change in
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, with between, you know, CB and on the Marvel side and Marie Chattins on the DC side, yeah, early seems to be a willingness for them to collaborate more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's it's definitely at least in my, in my side, it feels like the change in leadership was the right change in leadership.
[SPEAKER_00]: The people who don't have a mug up their ass about this, because for all that came into my brain, as we were talking about this just now, it was like, I don't want to turn the
[SPEAKER_00]: So I won't, but truly, and honestly, like, I feel that like, you know, the young people getting to comics don't know this, but this is our child, I mean, this is my childhood in the 90s, where it was just like, hey, every few years, let's do a crossover, and we love comics.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: One.
[SPEAKER_00]: 20 years after that, or after that was 20 years of, you know, like, like, that, you know, needlessly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's like, you know, hey, Jorge Jimenez, he can draw Spider-Man, he can draw Superman.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once you want to see that dead moral of dead, dead pull end Batman, it's like, I don't know, the positivity is just, it's heartwarming to see.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, if I had to throw something out there about that it reminds me of But was it a recent episode of Emma Jamal pointing out that comics in terms of both Marvel and DC are small parts of larger corporations.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're rounding errors on the sheets
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm thinking that because that Marvel and DC are these small potatoes, they're no longer like, how do I say, and charge of their own destinies, that they can, they have that, they're beneath notice now.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they can kind of just do things for the sake of the art, for the sake of the industry, the sake of their own goddamn humanity at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, yeah, there's small potatoes now.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what's what's the point of hating each other anymore?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like looking back to the you know, I mean what thought of it was saying looking back to the 90s like the fact that we had a crossover in 1996 between Kyle Reiner and silver surfer
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's that that's something that in today's world my brain couldn't fathom as a possibility again until we got the weirdness that was, you know, Batman Deadpool and now the god damn does that make sense of Superman, you know, Spider-Man again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is this is something that was commonplace in in the mid-90s and then just wasn't for a long time and now hopefully we'll become in place again like friendliness
[SPEAKER_01]: is a lot easier to do than stupid rivalry for no reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like you're all, you're all going to have your fans, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's no reason to not love each other, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: I never, I don't know anybody and I never was ever, you know, well, you know, deeper for DCG, for Marvel, well, up for one or the other.
[SPEAKER_00]: That means I hate the company.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know anything who was ever really like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've known them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really, because like, I know it like it was fun to kind of kick DC in the balls every now and then because Marvel could be hotter, especially the 90s, but I think, I
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of quality in the 90s D.C.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, I think that genuinely, like the idea that if you were a fan of one company, you would hate the other.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's just something that you might find out the big bang at the rear or something, I show it never watched.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that never felt to me like a felt reality of a comic book fan, as opposed to like what I assume sports or wrestling is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that like that kind of being embodied by the editors for a time.
[SPEAKER_00]: felt like an unforced error.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just because it was so embodied through the DC and Marvel and a Malcolm, we had two Batman Spiderman crossovers, two Batman Punisher crossovers, as you mentioned, re-landed silver surfer, spread Fantastic Four.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if Wonder Woman had any crossovers to anybody, but it was just like the, I don't know, it was just like the, in the time of El Swirls, it felt so common.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now that we're kind of doing it again and kind of embracing it, we've had, like, you know, the Nightwing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wolverine crossover along with the did post Batman one or whoever.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's it's almost like waking up from a coma.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the previous couple decades, you know, either didn't happen or they had it's really pushing the rear view.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, uh, there there was not a, uh, Wonder Woman crossover.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, there there is now been Captain America and Wonder Woman teaming up in World War II, written by Chip Sadarsky with our by Terry Dodson.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: as as as one of the backups but yeah what a woman one of the kind of had that cool off period where she wasn't nearly as big and I think that happened to like coincide a little bit with the 90s which is why they'd have really had like a crossover with a with a Marvel counterpart outside of you know DC versus Marvel which
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, that that ever happened in our childhoods, like, it basically is DCKO only with Marvel included with it and less dark side, but, you know, it's the same general premise of like, you know, who would win in the fight and then you actually got it to have got the vote on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: not every single person who voted on it, actually, um, tip the tide because I know that there were one or two times where editorial stepped in and said, even though the votes said this were going this way, uh, but either way, yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Captain America Batman as as a perfect example there, but this, it just makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is not Pepsi and Coke.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, these are contemporaries, so many artists, writers are not exclusive and right for both companies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it just makes sense to play nice and, you know, spread the wealth a little bit, especially, you know, in an era where, you know, sales may not be what they once were.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're going to throw your fans a bone every now and then do it, you know, it's just, it just makes perfect sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, very much hope with you guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a peer business briefing right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you guys vote during DC versus Marvel?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think it's because I don't know how old Jamal was, but that's what I did.
[SPEAKER_08]: I think I might have once during DC versus Marvel.
[SPEAKER_08]: When was DC versus Marvel?
[SPEAKER_01]: DC Marvel in 1996, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: 96, yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: 96?
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: I probably did.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: That was four on that.
[SPEAKER_08]: I was what?
[SPEAKER_08]: 24?
[SPEAKER_07]: Look, were you an intern at that time?
[SPEAKER_08]: No, that was, I was in their turn when I was 17.
[SPEAKER_08]: That was the way I had already been working in the business a couple of years at that.
[SPEAKER_08]: Wow, okay.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_08]: Most of them mostly join in the, like, doing indie stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think, I think there might have been a phone number that you could call.
[SPEAKER_01]: That my parents may have let me call exactly once because it cost money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, and that, that might have been the bulk of me of me voting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I didn't do any right in votes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that for sure.
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, you got to explain this on the other generation at phone number that costs money to call because you're calling from a landline, maybe even a rotary dial phone, you know, like those old phones with the number of the circle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hang for phones is still a thing you have to do, Brent, like Eurovision cost one euro per vote by phone.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean, a lot of it's like text like the voices all text now, or they want you to download the apps so they can sell you ads or whatever, but Well, people used to call 1-900 numbers for the course of the night.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was American Idol, I guess however it does it now, it's probably like you know
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I had to explain to an 11-year-old what a house phone was a couple of days ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I literally went to the other room and I picked it up and I said, it's right here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your house literally has one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you never use it, but it's right here.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was like, oh, my house does not have one.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have one.
[SPEAKER_01]: No house phones here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have one right here.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And guess what?
[SPEAKER_01]: We never use it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's usually included.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's usually included with your cable subscription.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're like, I don't need this.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they're like, yeah, but we're putting it in anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: We get to we get call.
[SPEAKER_01]: We get Robo calls that literally say Celeste.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I hang up.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the like, all the time, that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the only person who calls this damn thing.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's all these reprints though.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're pure profit.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like I'm sure once they did the omnibus ones and those did very well, they were like, hmm, how can we, you know, J, everybody keeps asking for JLA Avengers.
[SPEAKER_07]: Nobody really once are facsimile of the 90 stuff, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: Like get the get the omnibus.
[SPEAKER_07]: But Daily Avengers is like, oh, we know that will sell because it's JLA.
[SPEAKER_07]: Be it's Avengers and Avengers is hot now.
[SPEAKER_07]: It wasn't really hot when they were coming out.
[SPEAKER_07]: It was like, they did JLA X-Men.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, like Ben.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: But in George Perez, you know, the legendary artist, like it's just pure profit.
[SPEAKER_07]: So it makes, makes business sense.
[SPEAKER_07]: After you see the numbers from the home to business, after you see the numbers from Deadpool, Batman, Batman, Deadpool, and you know, all the pre-sale numbers for the Spider-Man Superman ones and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm sure they're like, oh, yeah, this is the easy win.
[SPEAKER_08]: Let's say don't have to reform it.
[SPEAKER_08]: It was all the files are for all probably just sitting on a hard drive somewhere.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely, especially because of, you know, the more the more recent collection, like, you know, this was all digitized, it would be great if it's also available digitally because
[SPEAKER_01]: they're not unless you go to a pirate site at this point, you know, for, for, you know, for JLA Avengers, like, I don't know how a profit share would even work with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unless they do a profit share, we're like, issue one's profits, going to borrow the issue two's that you see or something like that.
[SPEAKER_07]: They, they did figure it out for Deadpool Batman.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think finally showed up on Tom Exology.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't think Batman Deadpool has shown up yet.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: But it was months later, because I remember the step-up at the time when it was coming out, like they said it wasn't going to be available digitally.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I got my butt to a shop to pick them up physically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, part of it was like that meant to pull, uh, is going to go into DC and a percent for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And did pull back, man, which is the, which is the, um, the Greco-Pool-O-Tron 1.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's typically a marble pocket.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's not more of a limited, uh, and, uh, and the other ones on the on-in for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although, since you mentioned it, Brent, I will also bring up pretty much everybody who used to work for comicsology, who was still left at Amazon, got laid off in the latest group of layoffs at Amazon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's all kindle now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not surprised.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm not surprised.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, it's been kindle forever.
[SPEAKER_07]: And honestly, they've done a terrible job keeping that, that theory alive.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, I think there's still a couple of comicsology, um, unlimited or, comicsology originals.
[SPEAKER_07]: But the last push I heard about them was the one Jamal was part of, which is now like three years ago with, you know, right.
[SPEAKER_07]: He was on the second wave of that with the deadly datcin in the forever machine.
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, you know, but there was a Snyder and in company didn't re up with comicsology.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know, and in dark horse, they didn't do a second wave.
[SPEAKER_07]: They didn't go get another creator to do another round of books for them.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I don't know how it worked for for Amazon.
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, they're certainly not pushing their, um,
[SPEAKER_07]: Comicsology Unlimited very well.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're not like announcing the new titles being added.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're still adding new stuff every month, but it feels like it's not advertised.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's not even saying like, hey, by the way, we updated this.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, I still have my Comicsology Unlimited subscription going on probably 10 years now.
[SPEAKER_07]: Mainly because there's books on my subscription that I checked out.
[SPEAKER_07]: from the library and I still haven't checked out and I have not read them yet.
[SPEAKER_07]: So anytime I open up my iPad, I'm like, oh yeah, I need to read this.
[SPEAKER_07]: I need to read this because once I read all of them, I could get rid of it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: But I haven't yet.
[SPEAKER_07]: But I think that is the appeal and what's also weird, too, with Amazon, like,
[SPEAKER_07]: Some of them will be comicsology on limited rentals, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: And then some other titles will show up fewer, fewer.
[SPEAKER_07]: We'll show up as Kindle Unlimited titles.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, because now you have this Kindle Color device, which I have, I think I saw in a best buy.
[SPEAKER_07]: I haven't seen in, of course, they don't have like a God forbid you throw a comic book on there to get a comic book reader to buy it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, but I don't I don't think it would work really well.
[SPEAKER_07]: I did download a comic book on my wife's Kindle ones just to see what it would look like in black and white and it was just it was an awful experience compared to reading it on a on a tablet with the faster moths.
[SPEAKER_01]: Manga manga looks really good on a Kindle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, or at least, you know, it can.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously you're still losing a little bit of depth, but anything that's supposed to be black and white does actually look very good on a on a on a
[SPEAKER_07]: And I feel like that would work also because most mongos, you know, six by nine, the Kindle closer to the Kindle size as opposed to, you know, trying to look at your malls are working black and white on the screen.
[SPEAKER_07]: That big is not great.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but I tell my students.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm a sociopath.
[SPEAKER_08]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, well, and, and, and I guarantee you, Brent, we are a year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even saying five years.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are a year away from comicsology and limited being folded in the kind of one limited, like just straight up, like there's no reason to have to to separate subscriptions at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: outside of making people pay more money for a separate subscription if they want, you know, books versus comics.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it, it makes way less sense now now that it is just the Kindle app to have a complex old-gen limited subscription.
[SPEAKER_07]: what is more baffling to me to pivot to the the guys that used to work um i don't can't name their names you probably have the article in front of you or something but all the guys who started com xology sold com xology waited five years or whatever it's been yeah and then wait and started another basically com xology business yeah me and it should
[SPEAKER_07]: Neonichi Bon and I don't I think they're also behind are they behind is stillary also They are behind is stillary, but the stillary is taking your hiatus.
[SPEAKER_07]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, but I'm just as a consumer I'm just like wait.
[SPEAKER_07]: Why did you sell to Amazon in the first place like I get I get it?
[SPEAKER_07]: You can't turn down money like that and you just but if you're just getting 5 years and start a new version of the same damn company like
[SPEAKER_08]: What happened?
[SPEAKER_08]: They were chipmosure was still involved after the sale.
[SPEAKER_08]: chip kosher and john robbers were still involved with comic zalogy after stale yeah yeah they did not leave uh... comic zalogy uh... he was on left yes basically like chipped the chip basically like he left he was there for probably like up until twenty twenty one twenty twenty two some of that yeah i guess
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm just questioning the business logic of like, you've had people like me that have been on comics allergies since 2011, flying books, and then you sell it, and then you get the hankering years later, even after you left, whatever, we'll give the guys a bit of the doubt, to start a new business, which is the same as the old business, and then hope that the people that like the way you ran the business the first time, which I'm one of them, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, then go switch to a new service, a new supplier of these books where the library doesn't transfer and your way smaller player now compared to Amazon.
[SPEAKER_07]: So now I have to hope also in the same vein that like, you know, you're also going to stick around.
[SPEAKER_07]: global comics is around now, they're also selling stuff of all different publishers and things like that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Gosh, what was the one there was like a digital comics company that Dave Gibbons partner with long ago?
[SPEAKER_07]: What does that mega comics or whatever?
[SPEAKER_07]: And they were doing kind of emotion comics like where are those guys?
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah,
[SPEAKER_08]: Actually, I can't remember the name.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, thank you, sir.
[SPEAKER_07]: With an M. It was either an M. I don't know if you can tell a character with like a T on his face or something like that.
[SPEAKER_07]: It was like a police man kind of like Judge Dred.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but anyway, I think I think it's, uh, uh, hold on, let's see here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Made fire, I think.
[SPEAKER_07]: made fire.
[SPEAKER_07]: I thought that was a great name.
[SPEAKER_07]: I tried their app out.
[SPEAKER_07]: I thought it was cool.
[SPEAKER_07]: I read they were giving away the stories for a little while at least a couple like teasers.
[SPEAKER_07]: They were cool.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: They shut down like they shut down.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then so what happens to your purchases after that?
[SPEAKER_07]: They're just gone.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're in the in the in the ether.
[SPEAKER_08]: Unfortunately, it's the same problem that every digital comics platform tends to have.
[SPEAKER_08]: They're just, it's the technology.
[SPEAKER_08]: The technology is not portable in a way that is cool for most people.
[SPEAKER_08]: And you have to remember that the coolest factor for technology is always the thing that really pushes things over.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's a difference between Google Glass and the Ray Bands and Meta Ray Bands.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like the Meta Ray Bands, dumb as they are, look cooler than the Google Glass and more people are willing to put them to buy them and to wear them even if the battery power and the actual storage powers garbage.
[SPEAKER_08]: But that's for comics.
[SPEAKER_08]: And it is just comics.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's the people that counting on the migration from print media to digital for over a decade at this point.
[SPEAKER_08]: And it hasn't really taken hold the way that they've wanted it to, unfortunately.
[SPEAKER_08]: So until we get that device, like I always imagine that that device would be like, do you guys remember a TV show called Earth Final Conflict?
[SPEAKER_08]: from our final conflict, the handheld reader that they had, there was, yes.
[SPEAKER_08]: That thing was amazing.
[SPEAKER_08]: It was, and that is the thing, that type of device, something more portable than a Kindle or an iPad and the size relative, like, Colossibility of a cell phone, like a current, like, you know, portable cell phone that we have now, that's able to expand.
[SPEAKER_08]: to have the kind of like big, screen experience that people want from an e-reader, that's going to be the thing that really pushes the print media over to fully embracing digital.
[SPEAKER_08]: We're not there yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: We probably won't even get there for like another 20 years, unfortunately.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's just the technology has not advanced as quickly as people would want it to, at least in that regard.
[SPEAKER_08]: There is a flexible reader that is sturdy enough and powerful enough to have a satisfying viewing experience.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would say we weren't that far from that because we have those rollable TVs, which are not mass adopted yet, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like nobody's going to be going on by those.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the fact that the technology exists means that with usually,
[SPEAKER_03]: considering the scale of technological progress that would have been a consumer technology within a few years.
[SPEAKER_03]: Except that AI is eating up all the RAM now, so we're not getting any of that cool shit anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I, again, we've never done an AI episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could go on.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, you walk, go out of a copyright infringement.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could go out of a, how did you go?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Technologically, we're, we're probably about a month or two away from finally doing that AI episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is going to be me the entire episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to be sitting back.
[SPEAKER_01]: and just letting Jamal rant, and it'll be delightful and glorious, and I won't even have to say a word, it'll be great.
[SPEAKER_08]: It'll be a two-fold ramp, because we could talk about the copyright infringement, yes, but we could also talk about the five million gallons of water that, yes, they have processed, oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_08]: Process is per day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And guess what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the words we're going to say about it right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, we'll be talking about it for two hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what I what I what I what I what I what I was just face.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But going back to the, you know, starting up companies after selling off your company and stuff like that, I feel like
[SPEAKER_01]: uh tech moguls would really do this all the time, where they sell a company, two another company, they're with that company for a little while, and then they start up another company, that's really similar to the last company that they sold off in the first place.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a money flow, it's money flow.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's basically you started a company.
[SPEAKER_03]: The company was a good idea But you don't know how to make it work in a long term.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so some very company that clearly seems to know their shit Offers you know offers you money throws it at you and you're like awesome cool I don't have to run this company into the ground so you take the money, but you still want to do the thing
[SPEAKER_03]: But now the thing is when you take, when you get that buyout, now you have this pool of money, which is probably larger than whatever money you started the first company with, and you figure, oh, well, I'll probably learn from my mistakes, or whatever, but yeah, you're right, and yeah, I'll put the whole staying with the company for a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's called an aqua hire, and that's very standard practice, because the people who are buying your company know that you're probably one of the reasons the company even works.
[SPEAKER_03]: though I've never again, I'm never going to understand late-stage capitalism because it's fascinating to me, hell, we'll buy a company and then immediately and then like two years later, shut it down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're almost taking a lot of business classes when you're on a school.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we've read too much tech articles basically and it's been involved with tech companies.
[SPEAKER_01]: So
[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, hi, you know, in their done that very very recently as a matter of fact anyway, but what I what I will say is going back to what Brent said also about, you know, like why why would you buy into a new platform like stuff like that?
[SPEAKER_01]: there have been platforms other than the one that we just mentioned that Gibbons was involved with that have shut down in the past, you know, five years where basically it was back up your files until this date or you can't read your comics anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dark Horse had a standalone comics app that shut down not too long ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Marvel had their app through comicsology, where they were at least nice enough to give you the option to import your comics library that were Marvel comics into the Marvel and limited apps even if you don't have a Marvel and limited subscription You can read the comics that you owned on the standalone Marvel app.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was really smart.
[SPEAKER_01]: Marvel, but that's because they are Marvel and they can afford to do that
[SPEAKER_07]: There's no option for global comics or Neon Hibon to be like, yeah, like, team-oble to sprint.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, keep your number, or, um, team-oble to Verizon.
[SPEAKER_07]: Keep your number and switch from one to the other.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, they're not going to be like, import your library.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the best.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was another company.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just walked it up now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I remember when I was launched, I was supposed to be like the big, the big, you know, digital comics indie competitor to comicsology and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that shut down in 2024.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it just didn't have to do another same power.
[SPEAKER_07]: the the other thing with the onion chip on that bugs me is like I don't even know if they launch among the wait list and it's like where just to look at the damn thing the only thing i've seen is like bleeding cool said a couple weeks ago like um oh is it oh yeah and it's speaking of Dave Gibbons again so we see involved with these things he's the onion chip on is a digital comics company and their their hook that makes them different than global comics and comicsology is that you can buy a digital
[SPEAKER_07]: it'll be unique to you or something Bolshella called it NFT, you know, so they're selling remarks from Dave Gibbons that he did digitally somewhere and for like $75 and then it's even more expensive if you'd sell and watch me number one versus watch me number two.
[SPEAKER_07]: So Jamal, what are you waiting for?
[SPEAKER_07]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't let my game here.
[SPEAKER_07]: Supergirl number 30,
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I just don't like what happened like any NF it's not an NFT it just exists on this site.
[SPEAKER_07]: So when they if they eventually close like what happens to your 150 dollar your your digital remark from Dave Evans.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you're supposed to be able to sell it and trade it on their site.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and I'm like
[SPEAKER_07]: Who gives a shit?
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, yeah, I don't know how any of that's supposed to work.
[SPEAKER_01]: And looking at their actual site, I mean, I just had it up on a screen for a little bit there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks just like the old comicsology site.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the scroll, like the the featured list, like it is almost a carbon copy.
[SPEAKER_01]: to what they had at comicsology, which makes sense because they're the same dudes, but like I was hoping for something that would maybe even be a little bit easier to read, but looking at the site, it's almost exactly the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, hey, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look,
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish them well, and I hope they succeed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I ain't buying into it quite frankly, like, not any time soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if I do, I'm sure it's hell not doing the remark thing because, like, to me, the whole NFT craze, like, never made any sense, and this is basically almost that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I know it's a little bit different, but it's pretty damn similar to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to me, unique digital doesn't, does not compute to my brain.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like you got to be physical for me to actually if I could display it on a shelf and be like oh shiny then that's that's real to me not it's real to me, damn it That that's for you Jamal, but But but you know like it digital like that's that just seems like like fish oil like no, it's not it's no not not gonna work for me
[SPEAKER_07]: NFTs died two years ago so you're almost like two years too late to this market and I think they were been talking about it for at least a year so I don't know what the most of had a huge delay but yeah also I want to do well actually in I think you met snake oil because fish oil is actually good for your joints well well actually Chris we're actually Chris yes you're right you're absolutely right that's why I'm sorry
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I don't really care, I just thought it was really funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, like, the thing, yeah, it's just that what you said, I was like, that is the opposite of what I'm trying to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: And once again, that is exactly what usually winds up coming out of my mouth.
[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you very much for the clarification on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Snake oil, snake oil, don't ingest snake oil.
[SPEAKER_01]: Enough said.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, well, I'll just say I had to, I made a blue sky post the other day where I was like,
[SPEAKER_03]: They're talking about like head cannon and I'm like head cannon with two ends is a very different thing than head cannon with one It's like a tick character Oh my god, it actually really is now that none of you mentioned it like how is there not been a tick character in a head cannon crap Speaking of the 90s.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sure face chipper deal
[SPEAKER_01]: but right one more one more quick topic before we get in the Wonderman considering the people that are on this call happy 20th anniversary to New York Comic-Con.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was this was the weekend that the 2006 New York Comic-Con took place.
[SPEAKER_08]: I am so old.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, seriously, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I remember when New York Comic-Con was bigger and better with double the space in 2007.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like still embedded in my brain.
[SPEAKER_01]: The freaking copy I had to read for for for for New York Comic-Con to get into the podcast arena.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: to 2006.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, I was still in college.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was episode 24 of the Geekspeak podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Me walking around near Comic Con with a mini disc recorder, getting interviews with people like Mike Norton on the four.
[SPEAKER_01]: Chris Staros.
[SPEAKER_01]: Paul Levits.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even really know who Paul Levits was at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was looked like an idiot when I was interviewing him, but you know, go figure out.
[SPEAKER_03]: They got shame due for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was there with you on the Friday.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was just like shaming you.
[SPEAKER_03]: You sweet, silver child.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, so it's watch an experiment three that we can know we didn't actually But we did we did get to watch at the con.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember the ultimate Avengers movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we guess Yeah, I don't actually watch those, but I remember those, yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: It, uh, I mean, I was listening to a little bit of myself talking about it, which is very weird because I actually sound younger and it's frightening, uh, but, uh, what, what, what, what, what I said, I do remember very clearly, which is the, the movie felt like a pilot to an animated series that didn't exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: like it it it it it felt like it was leading to something and yet they mentioned they eventually made other movies but like it was water down ultimates and not in not in a great way it wasn't terrible don't get me wrong but like the voice acting was a little iffy at times uh Samuel Jackson fake Samuel Jackson didn't quite work for me um yeah they had the shape they had the
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably ultimate, uh, Hank Pymas.
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, uh, that's not as much like they really, like they were really, really, really nice when it came to cab.
[SPEAKER_08]: The one thing that I remember about New York Comic-Con is that artist Alley, where I was, was in the Crystal Pavilion.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, where the media was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, like all of artists Alley fit in the Crystal Pymas.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was 2007.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember because that was the year that the podcast arena wants and that's where the podcast was worse as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Artistalli was in the crystal and then downstairs was basically the exhibition for and that was the year that they also expanded to have the actual you know main for of the javits but not the entire main for of the javits be the exhibition hall
[SPEAKER_08]: Um, then by the way, the word they're sharing it with a car show that year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, which was also the fate of the anime convention that, uh, that read put on a couple times or like they were sharing it with some weird ask conventions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Damn it.
[SPEAKER_01]: but but that's always fun when like people are coming by and full cosplay and then you see like these you know 75-year-olds that are looking to sell windows being like what the hell?
[SPEAKER_03]: they used to happen a Baltimore Comic Con all the time when uh well it happened and then C2E2 had that with uh it was like a bathroom fixtures convention whatever and those people were just coming right into the con because I guess whoever was checking badges didn't really care
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I do remember seeing those people because they stood out a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: You you think you've seen a lot of weird things at Kovacons And they're nothing that will stick in your mind more than someone who's clearly not supposed to be there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh My god Yeah, but this is nerd out of the way
[SPEAKER_01]: The one thing that I'll display here from the oldspeakexpeak.com website that hasn't been updated in 15 years or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do have copies of some of the sketches that I got at that weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: The kid flash sketch that I got from Todd Knock.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also got a OMAX sketch from Hesu Sias that weekend.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I actually remember that because you, you bought like the shitty sketchbook.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was unhappy because his pencil was going right through the paper.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember that entirely.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can see you can see it in the sketch.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's rough like the fingers, the paper might have torn there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then this is the better sketchbook that I wound up getting.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're Daniel Akunia, maybe maybe a nice super mass sketch.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: it was it it was a great it was a great weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still remember very clearly being stuck outside the hall when the fire marshals were called in 2006.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, and Dan to Dio was right there with us because I remember passing him in line and he was like, yep, can't get in, can't get in nothing that I could do, can't get in.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that sounds like a good time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a head of a character.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, boo, I'm, I'm done to Dio.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, boo, boo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, hey.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_08]: Did I do the thing I guys ever tell you guys the world short as Dan to Dio story?
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, probably, but we have times to go right ahead.
[SPEAKER_08]: Okay, very quickly, so I'm working on Titans, on Teen Titans, and Dan's writing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I'm at DC's office, and Dan sees me from down the hall and goes, Jamal, yes, Dan.
[SPEAKER_08]: Hey, just, next week, good.
[SPEAKER_08]: It goes, we're rolling off of the distance of the fucking Tasmanian double.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm not really in as far as conversation I'd ever had with the man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: 100% Dan, like, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: And even at even at this day, I do appreciate that there is a comic timing interview with the end of the deal from Megacon that that Brent took part in and was that our first year there, right, Brent?
[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm ever correctly?
[SPEAKER_01]: Our first year was a magic year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was what it's never been duplicated.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, second year came close.
[SPEAKER_01]: So right second year came close.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brand name brand seven.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is this is 2000.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see what what year was it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think 2008 is probably closer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see mega con buffer and every single time I say mega con and my head I go mega con forgive me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, all right, uh, yeah, too deep for about 2008 was the year where it was Brent Brandon Raff and I so that was too there was 2008 then there was 2009 and then in 2010 we basically split duty because mega com was the same weekend as Emerald City.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Brent attended and mega com and that was when I was still in Seattle, so I attended Emerald City.
[SPEAKER_01]: and we got some interviews from both, basically, so.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the most amount of conge guys have done in a single year?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, 13.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, when I was a, when I was a, when I was a Vaction Lab, I did 13 shows a year for food readers straight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Goddamn, yeah, for your straight shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: For, for me was probably about seven, if I remember correctly, because that's between anime cons and, and Comic cons.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that was probably about my peak.
[SPEAKER_00]: Only 23, I did C2, we need to, the first time, a million times so far.
[SPEAKER_00]: In YCC, that might have been the first moment you guys in person.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: SDCC, that might be it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also did BGSU that year.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a Spiderman convention.
[SPEAKER_00]: I met weekly and already at that conference.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then NYCC was, I think, like, the next week.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I met him again in our rally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's like three and a half.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm like top out usually around six or seven, but I think my average is probably going to be like three, maybe four.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[SPEAKER_01]: These these these days it's basically packs unplugged near Comic Con and if I can get to it, like one of the small indie ones, like I'm not doing a lot of traveling for conventions at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I may want to someday hit up Tampa Comic Con if it winds up with when I can be down there Because I feel like I always like just miss it by a week So if there ever does come the opportunity for me to hit it up, I probably would you know give that a go while I'm down there so
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah, my my days of traveling all over the place like I like a chicken with a side cut off the go to comic adventures way over New York comic kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: New York comic kind of isn't you don't even go to the ones that are local like you didn't go to flame Connesty.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know you didn't go to the Brooklyn in the panic comics showcase Which I'm gonna talk up the closer we get to it because anyone in New York area should go because it's free.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't Huge I sure when is it wait, who said that what I did when is it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, usually, I think last year it was in March, maybe it's an April.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know a fan.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will have to Google this info in the pendant comics showcase.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so it's going to be April 18th through 19th this year in industry setting.
[SPEAKER_03]: it's just it's just a giant artist alley and it was it's been free every single year so you can just pop in say hi to all your friends buy like a few little things and get out it doesn't have to eat all your time and it was it was a lovely experience a very it's a weird venue I think is it's only really drawback.
[SPEAKER_01]: chances are I probably will make at least that in flamethrower this year flamethrower I'm almost certainly going to be in town for so that's that's a lot more likely this year and any of you wondering Chris and I probably will have a small episode either recorded sometime this week or early next week where we go over to toy fair
[SPEAKER_01]: just because I did actually wind up having a day there in the end after after Tim Sheridan roasted me about it, it turns out it did actually have an opportunity to be there for a day, but Chris was there for how many days did you wind up there Chris?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just a second.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just did, I just said Saturday Sunday, I drew my line in the sand that I'm like, look, I don't need to be here all four days.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to be here all four days.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not
[SPEAKER_00]: You're a bit of a blurt on?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I haven't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be very interested to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like right out of four after.
[SPEAKER_00]: STCC, so the travel is difficult.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a cousin who's gone a couple times.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks fun, but it's also pretty new.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's pretty round for like.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, no, it's pretty round for us.
[SPEAKER_08]: I know.
[SPEAKER_08]: of it.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's been around for a very long, just for at least like over a decade.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this year's, this year's, this year's, oh yeah, and this, and this year's way earlier, in fact, actually, you're definitely not going to it because it's like in a week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, March 6th through 8th, 2026 is is when this year's board con is so yeah, I used to be way to in the year though that much I definitely know so that must be a new thing that it's in March.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, I mean, it depends on what dates you can get.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what it always comes down to.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's not like New York Comic-Con wanted to be in February.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when, and guess what?
[SPEAKER_01]: When it moved, every New Yorker was happy because no, just no.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this was before there was a seven train stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: this was before there was the you know the the stop right by javasso we used to have to lug our asses from uh... you know third from three fourth street and walk all the way over to eleven avenue uh... which is long fricking walk in the cold uphill both ways in the snow like it was it was it was not fun
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's just an example of why we take in that walk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_03]: Bleak and long, and that kind of shit can happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know what, wasn't bleak and long, wonder man.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, hey, nice to see you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, it was brisk.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a nice brisk stroll, as most episodes were.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, there was an episode that was about 20 minutes long.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they, they, they were not pussy footing around with this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were going to tell the story that they wanted to tell in eight episodes, as long as it took to tell it, um, all released in one shot, uh, day before my birthday, January 27th, uh, and I will start us off just by saying that I think out of all, the Marvel shows that have been released so far.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Wonder Man might be my favorite.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do that that's a very intelligent thing to come to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, it is a, it is a story that is literally about storytelling.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: like we be getting a lot of this lately and it's usually what winds up getting it getting nominated for best picture by the way because like if you make a if you make a movie about Hollywood you're probably going to be nominated for best picture like that's that that's just the way it goes with the Academy Awards like that you know oh oh this is either about a divorced dad the dealing with being a divorced dad or it's it's something something about making movies
[SPEAKER_01]: great or the holocaust or the holocaust and then guess what you're nominated for best picture right this is this is literally a Marvel show about making a Marvel show and because of that like that meta switch is flipped just enough to to have you complete we interested in what's going on and Trevor Slattery has never been
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, I, I think, I think that, uh, you know, the story that was that was pulled with him, like, you know, dealing with the, you know, the in-between of, you know, am I, am I actually becoming this guy's friend or am I just trying to save my own ass, um, everything that Simon Williams dealt with, uh, both as a person and as somebody trying to hide his
[SPEAKER_01]: what you guys thought about it as well, so I don't have to talk that much, but but we'll start off with you tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_08]: So, I really enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_08]: I think one of the things that kind of gets lost in the whole translation is that it's also kind of a coming out story as well.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's a coming out story.
[SPEAKER_08]: There are some, like, illusions to, you know,
[SPEAKER_08]: the idea that Simon does not have friends as always afraid of the secret getting out or hurting someone or you know really just being this sort of
[SPEAKER_08]: isolated individual and what was it episode six the birthday party?
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah, yeah, that was like four there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's earlier in the show.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's earlier in the show, but his mother
[SPEAKER_08]: talking about, you know, Simon, you know, not really talking to anybody in her assuming that he was okay with not having any friends.
[SPEAKER_08]: He was, you know, he was fine with his criterion collection and his plays and everything.
[SPEAKER_08]: And him finally saying, you know, thank you to his mother.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like, you know, I felt that, right?
[SPEAKER_08]: Like, I really, really felt that because I was that isolated kid too.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, I was quite as isolated, but I felt I felt that in my life.
[SPEAKER_08]: So, you know, and then, you know, you go to Trevor Slattery.
[SPEAKER_08]: Dear Trevor Slattery who wants nothing more than not just to, it is less about him saving his own house.
[SPEAKER_08]: And it's, again, like Simon, like he wants that spotlight, you know,
[SPEAKER_08]: He had that spotlight, but, you know, intimately as a Mandarin.
[SPEAKER_08]: And in trevers, like, you ultimately think about Trevor's story arc, it really becomes a story about type casting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sure, yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: As an older actor, you get known for one role and that's what everybody thinks you, they sit you.
[SPEAKER_08]: So you're sort of stuck.
[SPEAKER_08]: And you become stuck in that idea as well.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I just this thing,
[SPEAKER_08]: or can I be more?
[SPEAKER_08]: And I think he proved that he could be more by the end of the story.
[SPEAKER_08]: So those are my overall thoughts about Wonderman.
[SPEAKER_08]: I loved it.
[SPEAKER_08]: I thought it was great.
[SPEAKER_08]: It took me
[SPEAKER_08]: Like an episode of two to really kind of get into it and get it.
[SPEAKER_08]: But once I did, like, I was locked in.
[SPEAKER_08]: I shot gun the entire series.
[SPEAKER_07]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_07]: Brad, I liked it.
[SPEAKER_07]: I was in the comic timing group chat being fucked a show.
[SPEAKER_07]: Again, we don't get a costume to the last episode.
[SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, no powers at all.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, was the reports coming out.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then I sat down and I watched episode one.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then I watched two, I was like, okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I think by three, I was like, and Bank Kingsley started showing up, it wasn't just like a one-time guest star, because you never know what these Marvel shows.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, they could just get him and Milcom and put him in five different costumes, and be like, yeah, he's in the show the whole time.
[SPEAKER_07]: And it's like, no, not really.
[SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, to have those two guys be like the number one and number two of the show.
[SPEAKER_07]: I thought was really smart in a way they played off each other and you were like, you really did feel their friendship by the end of the show and I was like, that is super cool.
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, so yeah, they, they, I mean, I, I still love everything.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yaya Abdul-Metino's done so far.
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, I really love him as an actor.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I was kind of in for him in general.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then I was like, I don't know about the, no costumes.
[SPEAKER_07]: Cause I kind of hate that trope of these Marvel shows.
[SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, man, they got me.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's worth watching.
[SPEAKER_01]: It warrants the no-costum in its own premise.
[SPEAKER_01]: It warrants the no-costum quite frankly.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, once they they like start moving along I think it's like all right this is you get by this second episode.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think that this is not about him becoming a superhero.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's about him becoming an actor.
[SPEAKER_07]: So once you're along for that ride that you're going to have a great time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_08]: But so can I jump back in real quick?
[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, sure.
[SPEAKER_08]: So one of the things in the series that they established about Simon's character is, and having done a little acting in my past, like, head getting into his own head and over analyzing everything.
[SPEAKER_08]: And not being able to be in the moment.
[SPEAKER_08]: being incredibly knowledgeable about a lot of different shit, yeah, like even in his even in his over analysis, which goes back to the neurodivergent thing, like having a little bit of knowledge about a lot of different subjects, and then really just sort of like,
[SPEAKER_08]: overthinking to the point where, you know, he's kind of pushing, you know, people away and pushing his opportunity away, you know, so, you know, that was one of the other things that really just kind of stood out to me and it really gave Simon's character a little bit fuller for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: definitely.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you're from the beginning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not now that you eat, not you bring it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, I think about my, my evolution as a podcast or, which I've been thinking about a lot since I, you know, re-listened to myself as a child 20 years ago for for a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, I remember when
[SPEAKER_01]: back in the day and Brent, you'll remember this because the difference between me putting out an edited episode and you putting out an edited episode back in a day was like I was meticulous about getting rid of all the arms and the you know and and and shit like that in the beginning because I felt like that was that was something that you had to do because like you got to be in a meticulous about what will every little detail about these things to make it sound professional
[SPEAKER_07]: I tried it a couple times and it was just so time consuming and I think you were trained in the radio broadcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's your dream.
[SPEAKER_07]: You went to school and they were like, this is on professionally.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: We're doing a nice edited piece and we're doing that with each speaker port.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm like.
[SPEAKER_07]: We're they're listening to us talk for conversation like that's it.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is too much of a pain in the ass.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I mean, again, when you come from radio and stuff and it's professionally produced and there are podcasts that are professionally produced or should do.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... when you're doing it as someone else to do it oh yeah i know what my own way form looks like still to this day the thing you know this is not just podcasting but it's like all art you know when we talk about the this is literally what you are describing in is the perfect is the enemy of the good absolutely one of the fact is if you have to take the time out to clean up the recording which is not necessarily a bad thing it's actually an admirable thing to do but if it's keeping you from putting out episodes regularly
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's, it's your enemy.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not, you know, it's not, it's, it's nice to hear you you know, acknowledge that I remember when you came to that realization.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Quite a moment to stay like it's seen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, it's like, for me, I had that realization reading, um, there's this book, uh, this guy was a, what are the speech writers for Obama, the book is called, thanks Obama.
[SPEAKER_03]: And one of the things he said in it is that he would get too much of it in his head about the speeches he was writing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he had to remember, like, everything I write just has a job to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't have to be, I'm not writing the Gettysburg address.
[SPEAKER_03]: It just needs to exist and get its job done.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like, it's craft.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't have to be art every single time.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that for me was like, oh shit, yeah, maybe I am overthr thinking.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know that's you know going back to Wonderman like he it is about art the show but at the same time like his his obsession with it being our captain kept him from doing the craft well hmm absolutely the case and and it it it takes getting out of your own head sometimes and it's what Trevor explained to him at one point too about you know like like sometimes you just have to shut off your own brain and just say the lines and
[SPEAKER_01]: it'll come out better than if you're overthinking literally everything and getting fire from american horror story because of it like it's i love that reference by the way the fact that they picked an effect show of like they can do that because they're your own fox now so absolutely but but that but Chris give give your further thoughts on show
[SPEAKER_03]: So, oh, man, I, I, I thought you were going to save you for last because you know, I have many many thoughts.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will go back to what your mall said about like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: The first thing is that they felt like a coming out story.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I've talked previously on the show about how it can be a queer story without having queer characters.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, they kind of leave it up in the air as to,
[SPEAKER_03]: sexual orientation.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's completely irrelevant to the story, but it does hit all the tropes of feeling you have to hide this part of yourself, finding someone you can confide in, confessing to the people in your life you care about, and eventually being public about it and having to deal with that fall out.
[SPEAKER_03]: something that's interesting about it is like the not having queer characters it is that party scenes stuck out to me because he brings Trevor to him to this family party and no one at that party assumes that Trevor is his boyfriend.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right that really stuck out at me is like I was like wow that's really kind of progressive of that family That's really interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: They did an immediately jump to that conclusion and then to the show's credit It kind of explains that it doesn't have to overtly say it but when the mom is talking about him not having any friends It being glad that he finally has a friend then you're like, oh, okay That's probably why that never came up.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're just happy that some other human being is like seems to give a shit about him And like I
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm just, I was just looked at the age gap and I, and that thought never even crossed my mind.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know?
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't know enough game for me.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you can never run it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: when they're hooking into the skyline, flying off into the sunset, that's where I was like, hmm.
[SPEAKER_08]: But it's also the way that they talk about Simon's powers.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's, you know, they always refer to, they never say his powers, they always talk about his secret.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like, even his living girlfriend, like the whip, if you have, yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: you know, take the powers out of it and it could just as easily been dialogue from an episode of queer as folks.
[SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_08]: Right.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: So I think that that was a brilliant way to handle.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, I really, really did.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, and, you know, hats off to Joey Pants.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: That was fucking brilliant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for come back around again at the end of the series.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: So good.
[SPEAKER_07]: Who replaced me in the film, then it's like, you don't want it.
[SPEAKER_07]: You don't want it.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's just not even talking about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, no, I, I'm getting, you know, you already mentioned in about how it's like the self-reverential and Hollywood loves telling stories about itself, which, I mean, makes sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's right what you know.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I do, I mean, my, the episode that elderly destroyed me was the door man episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: I texted you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I side texted you Chris outside the comic timing chat that the fact that we as Marvel comics fans and readers got door man before we got squirrel girl in live action like out of out of out of all the great lakes of
[SPEAKER_01]: bottom of the list complete bottom of the list and they made a work like it's it's a great episode it's a I mean he's a what he's technically he's the second great lake's adventure who's the who's the first you're a mortal you're right you're right yeah yeah yeah but so I don't know Dorman until this episode so
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a great example of the fact that we've had the Marvel Cinematic Universe since 2008.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we're now at, sorry, my math is very, very bad on this 2018 years.
[SPEAKER_03]: 18 years.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're old.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the thing is, like, you can do this kind of world building where you kind of address what is it like to live in this universe with superheroes?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, because they haven't really done that that much.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's be honest.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not doing man on the street stories, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was the point of the Marvel Spotlight series is to try to give you those more intimate things.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like this was that that, uh,
[SPEAKER_03]: the idealization, the culmination of that is to give you like, how do you act at a superhero movie when there's actual real life superheroes?
[SPEAKER_03]: And how do you still have a special effects industry when there's real life superheroes?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's basically the show almost on that side of it also exists to explain these things, how does it affect?
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's not just like a nerdy little
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we're going to, you know, today we're going to talk about this because again, it has that story at the heart of it about these two friends, it is a show about friendship this this is this is almost the end of my comment.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the thing I wanted to bring up as I'm seeing so much media out now that is depicting close male friendships.
[SPEAKER_03]: and it's really nice because we get this and this week we just wrapped up night of the seven kingdoms which is about also like a big brother little brother relationship also very healthy and sweet and lovely and a friend of mine even brought up how that also is coming up on Starfleet Academy.
[SPEAKER_03]: like the the the the guys are just very kind to each other.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's one of the things that makes the show just we get just really shy is that it is just these just lovely little friendships going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: And all three of the shows I just mentioned.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Everybody's left a bit of it.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_08]: And here I am waiting for Lange and a doctor Robbie to make up on the pit.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's next on my list, Jamal, and I'm currently going through the clarity and show on Netflix, which is really good beasts, something or other, but that's that I'm going to go through the pit next and once I'm done with industry also because I'm catching up on that, but
[SPEAKER_01]: One more comment before I pass it off to Dono, Josh Gad, I love you, and the fact that he was that willing to play a, you know, a, basically a caricature version of himself in, you know, yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: He knew Patrick Harris himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great, great call back there, not a
[SPEAKER_01]: And where's Josh Gadd?
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's somewhere in the dark dimension, like that may be a pop-up again someday.
[SPEAKER_03]: One thing that's interesting about that is that like he's playing a parody version of himself, but he's still like a really nice person.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's actually really supportive, and that's part of what makes it hurt.
[SPEAKER_03]: What he disappears into the thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Get up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I thought for sure.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't want to hang it.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't want to hang too long on this.
[SPEAKER_07]: We can come back to it after Donovan, but like this episode is just phenomenal.
[SPEAKER_07]: So let's go to Donovan.
[SPEAKER_07]: We'll come back to
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, my big point in this is that somebody on the production team writing team, whatever, certainly had an eye on Atlanta because this is like the closest that Marvel has gotten to prestige televisions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a short-minute episode is like straighted, like season three of Atlanta with this kind of example.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have at least said the same thing when I was watching it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm glad you point that out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it works because even more so, even more so than Thor, Wonder Man's the one character from Mark comics, I've never cared about, really.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm not a huge Avengers reader, and he's a somebody that, like, I just found really confusing and like the whole, and I knew what one point he was in Hollywood and like, his power system.
[SPEAKER_00]: The most I know about Wonder Man was from like, the second genesis of Avengers Beauty Game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to America.
[SPEAKER_00]: It says, thank you, Wonder Man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's the extent of my family area with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, like, I typically am not a fan of when they try to outthink the source material, but they picked a character that like, I could not be bribed in being mad about.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, I think it really, so I think that really works to be, to be completely honest.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if it was like a character that I was not more familiar with, I might be more inclined to shake my fist.
[SPEAKER_00]: but this was such a unique approach to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, you know, yes, queer allegory and allegory about like healthy meal relationships, meta writing, you know, the kind of stuff I wanted to kind of produce a show, produce a super show.
[SPEAKER_00]: It still feels like a Marvel story because you have a main character,
[SPEAKER_00]: who is joined through something that nobody else is going through and he's struggling with that and there's all these secrets, you have the sort of heightened reality with damage control.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really like the way damage control was portrayed as a sort of nefarious government agent.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're a bit of a foil in the way home for the first act, but here, they are like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty, they're pretty immoral in this and I thought that that was honest I liked I mean honestly, I liked how they did Trevor Salary like I really I'm I bitched about one man three like when that came out on this podcast Years ago and so I don't have a lot of affection for my I kind of think that he kind of sours a third act of Shang-Chi But I mean they they straighten him out right away and he's he's excellent
[SPEAKER_00]: as a character in this show because it feels like he likes Simon, like right away, like there's not really a a season's long arc of him growing like Simon and that is a complex, that puts a conflict in a sharper relief and so I don't, I'm not really thinking that he's going to betray Simon, I think that he's already stuck between a rock and a hard place and there's an inevitable conflicting end but it's one that neither person wants to head towards
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it's like, it was like the simplest premise of a character who is who has superpowers and wants to be an actor, but to be a great actor, he has to be most of himself, but he has to hide himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've never seen it before in Superior's story tonight.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that is a brilliant, brilliant idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, I'm sure it's with like vampires, where Wilson's stuff, but the way the illustrator did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: was absolutely terrific and yeah, I think this is like I think it's a shame that it's kind of coming gone because they kind of dumped it all all at once, but because I think this is truly the best that I've seen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you feel it's like, you know, when a secret invasion came out and people really proved that they're like, okay, we get the point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's try again, let's try harder this time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think that the closest that this comes is like maybe one
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, I think this is far in a way so that they should really be proud of.
[SPEAKER_00]: And more so than like this, the ZMS used to still have it conversations.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think that this is indicative of like the height of us like this kind of story telling.
[SPEAKER_00]: And whether they were turned to this or not, I think they kind of lampshaded it in the finale where they feel like it or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I mean, this is one of the best things I've seen from Marvel on a quality level in a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm this this kind of, if you were to tier list this, this is, this is a level minimum, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, there has been, there has been some talk about their potentially being a season two of this, whether or not it does actually wind up happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be perfectly fine with it not happening quite frankly because I think is such a,
[SPEAKER_01]: wonderfully contained story.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, the dropping all eight episodes at once is at least partially because of, well, the same reason that they did with Ironheart is that these were these were stories that were conceived in essentially a previous iteration of Marvel's slate.
[SPEAKER_01]: where like essentially they did this back when they were like all right we're going to make you know for for shows a year and they're going to come out at this time and they're going to do this they're going to do that and then like this was mid production when they basically changed that to maybe one or two shows a year is okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not going to throw the water in the heart, and I might be wrong, but I thought the iron heart, that was getting ready to be so maligned by racist people online.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to like rip the band it off and get it over with.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's done in like two weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is absolutely the case, but also like the initiative basically basically has come out since where there are only really to be doing stories on movie characters for we still a little while.
[SPEAKER_01]: or outside of Daredevil because Daredevil is its own thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: We really shouldn't be expecting too many of these smaller characters to get the white of day in TV.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which kind of sucks because I...
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there have been some stinkers in there, but there's also been some gems.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that it really comes with a balance on, you know, what works and what doesn't in finding that balance.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this absolutely did.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this should be an example for what Marvel should be doing with their shows in the future period.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like, no, no, I personally agree.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I'm still waiting for them to do power pack, but that's just me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, they also, you never know, director, was it Daniel Cretan?
[SPEAKER_01]: Daniel, Daniel, Daniel, Dustin, yeah, Cretan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I believe you also did Sean, she, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, right.
[SPEAKER_07]: You're Sean, she and he's doing brand new day upcoming.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I was trying to say, if this is a preview of what we can expect for bring today, I'm really excited.
[SPEAKER_00]: 100% first two episodes.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, Shang-Chi had really strong interpersonal relationships with the Shang-Chi and the Aquafina character.
[SPEAKER_07]: In the dad, the action was good, although we don't know if that was like a second unit guy, but like the main core of the acting and the story was great.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: And since this was all acting, like I hope to God, Dustin Daniel, it, sorry.
[SPEAKER_07]: Mr. Crutton.
[SPEAKER_07]: Destin Daniel.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Hope it gives the chance to do just like a pure drama film at some point instead of being on the Marvel train because he's a really good director.
[SPEAKER_07]: If this is the quality of his stuff, I'm excited for brand new day and whatever that's going to bring.
[SPEAKER_07]: But man, he is, he's an actor's director, I feel like if that's a real thing.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm excited to brand you Dave just for the fact that they're doing practical web slinging.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a whole bunch of it was filmed.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll have to see how much it actually looks like New York because I know that they filmed a lot of it in Scotland, I believe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it's going to be hopefully they will have a way to build New York to look like Scotland, give it a break.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, fine fine fine fine, but no, no more of the avoiding the amazing Spider-Man 2 of it all where it's New York we swear like not not do not come on You just because you filmed one one scene in Times Square doesn't mean the rest of the film is New York like come on come on way off
[SPEAKER_00]: I would pretend not to care about that, but going back to Iron Man 3, they had that weird scene in Chattanooga because of the college for five years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is that there was like a mischattanooga like in the wintertime sexy bikini contest.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, who made this up with this movie?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna be this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will say, I mean again, as New Yorkers, we do kind of nitpick about that stuff and like I usually try to let it go because you know, like let's I'll be honest, there are parts
[SPEAKER_03]: But I will never, ever forgive Hawkeye for the scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: The chase scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you know what you did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I talked about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know the one.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was, it was filmed in Atlanta.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're driving on the streets.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's clearly not New York.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's clearly in Atlanta because it has the overhead street signs.
[SPEAKER_03]: That could be like, yeah, that just said peach tree street.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fuck you.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they drive up onto the mid-hat bridge, the next shot of the cat bridge.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, what is it?
[SPEAKER_03]: To their credit though is because then then then Clint and Kate get on a train like they climb on to a train because and I'm like at least that's accurate because the trains do go over the bed at bridge No, that's fair.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was just like my head exploded.
[SPEAKER_03]: I said look if you're going to pretend like not be in New York and pretend as the York can we not do this weird Mishmash thing that looks worse to me than just filming in another city
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and it actually goes back a little bit to Wonderman.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was nice to see it set in a location that at least for what I remember, like Marvel really hasn't touched on that much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like LA hasn't really been touched on that much in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've gotten San Francisco a bunch of times.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and and other areas like I think San Diego, uh, uh, a little bit in the Iron Man movies, um, but really not much LA, uh, so it was, it was, it was nice to Iron Man, uh, Iron Man, it's Malibu, you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're a Malibu.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's Malibu Malibu Malibu Malibu Malibu Malibu Malibu is not LA.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, technically.
[SPEAKER_00]: How many times have they gone to New York at the MCU?
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like adventures, adventures to all the Spider-Man movies I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a performance in two, three.
[SPEAKER_07]: Captain America won.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Captain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, like 40s New York.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Captain America with their soldier was at the beginning.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that doesn't count.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but, but either way, like it, it's, I mean, yeah, it made sense for us to be filmed in in in in in California slash LA slash Hollywood because of the setting and everything like that, but also in real life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fewer and fewer things are actually being filmed in LA and Hollywood, so nice to see in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, they still are.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you know, some way.
[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, if they're not being shot in the volume in Atlanta, they're being They're doing some location work where they're being shot in like Prague or Vancouver or some of the somewhere along those lines where they can get a cheaper tax break.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, Atlanta, the Marvel Studios in Atlanta, my wife is used to be a PA on some productions before one of her other careers, so she's talking to somebody that she knew from back then, and they moved to Atlanta for a lot of this Marvel work, and apparently all that has now kind of dried up, the Atlanta production hubs kind of dried up, and it's moved over, I believe, to England.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, um, so even the Marvel Atlanta hub is kind of done even it's like really that with that in 2018 through 2023 that was like a hot spot no long time
[SPEAKER_08]: is a studio down in that area of like each tree.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my question.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been talking to Ian about this, but I'm a surprise if you're saying things are drying up at Atlanta because isn't that where Tyler Perry put his mega studio?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a real one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there is a four hour video out just invisorating Tyler Perry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I have started watching this because I'll be honest.
[SPEAKER_03]: What you see it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm an hour in.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, I'm just like I just need it because I've always Tyler Perry's always skieved me out.
[SPEAKER_03]: So,
[SPEAKER_03]: But I did not know that Tyler Perry studio is apparently the biggest of the world, which is just insane to me and then he's saying that things are drying up and did land and I'm like, I mean, Well, at least for the moral stuff.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I was going to say there are very obvious reasons that we will not get into because we should just keep talking about wonder van and stuff.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, so going back to Dormann, I thought it was great how they, and the Dormann episode, they introduced Josh Gad, and he's like this party, and you're thinking it's going to be this giant asshole.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then I loved how he turned out like, he just likes to party, and he's still a nice guy.
[SPEAKER_07]: The fact that Josh Gad is like, you know what, I'll never be this big star.
[SPEAKER_07]: So let's play it.
[SPEAKER_07]: I thought that was so full.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he never appeared to
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was such a natural progression because it reminded me of so many other quote-unquote one hit wonder scenarios in Hollywood where you get big for the big catchphrase.
[SPEAKER_01]: and the big moment, and then after that, your career kind of fizzles out because what do you do after that?
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was the example here with Dormann.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dormann had the big scene in the movie and made it work became this national sensation, and then after a bit, both due to his own, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: faults, and just not having knowing what to do next in his career, it all dries up from there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a point where he gets drunk enough, where he accidentally swallows just get.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's...
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's exactly how I went, but I mean, it's a little bit, it's a little bit of A and a little bit of B there, but what it does come down to more than anything else is that this was basically another side of Hollywood.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was another side of like this was almost like the the child star scenario almost where you know again, what do you do after your child star fame dries up?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you have two options?
[SPEAKER_07]: Webster?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, anybody remember Webster?
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it Gary Cole?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, that's a very Louis Gary Cole.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's different strokes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but but they both had, you know, on 4th and catchphrase.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they had catchphrases.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had similar situations.
[SPEAKER_08]: And then I'm sure have a catchphrase.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't think I don't have a catchphrase.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he had a catchphrase.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was just cute.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was just cute.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: He was 14 playing five and then.
[SPEAKER_08]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: that yeah exactly like he he you know he had the condition and and he was able to you know you know play younger for way way longer than he probably should have yeah but you know Hollywood works in mysterious ways this was on this week so Hollywood did anybody else at some point in probably up to three would they have the part of the image of Captain America which that Anthony
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh god, I did not, I did not, I did not notice that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I did not notice that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Put the brain up there, and I still had to run my mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: And those of you don't know what you're talking about, there was like, I've only seen like, maybe three or four episodes of Black Mirror, but the best episode was with Anthony Mackie and Yaya Abdul-Matine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, the spider episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Got it, got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but can we touch on real quick, like similar to the Superhero Registration Act, you know, what's implemented by Hollywood here is, I mean, going back to what Chris was talking about, you know, in a world with, in a world with, with superpowers, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, how do you maintain stuff like the stunt industry, how do you maintain stuff like, uh, you know, like acting as as it exists, you know, that the wall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that the door man clause is created because of this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it's a clause.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to make that clear because I've seen people say, oh, it's a lot of like that's not a law.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's something they're putting into contracts.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they can still get in short.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's not unusual.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I think makes it a very, very smart bit of writing because, like, Hollywood does that kind of stuff all the time, like Jackie Chan has to ensure his own movies because nobody will ensure him and maybe that was similar to that, but they, you know, honestly,
[SPEAKER_03]: Wonderman, you know, if Simon Werner become famous enough, he could probably just underwrite his own films.
[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, it's not going to go that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe because of the way the season ended, but that was always a possibility that could have been done.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, going back together, it is interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like the world building in that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's not about preserving the industry or anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it certainly is going to help it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a decent way towards legitimizing, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if the MCs are going to go for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I should hope they do, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, when they bring them the X-Men, like Newton Folbia, I think they're kind of seeing some sort of anxiety of our people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I appreciated and the creators of the show have had to mention this as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a point where they were going to outright call Simon Immoutment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that they were going to, you know, basically lampshade that that that that that that he was, you know, I mean, similar to the way to the way that Ms. Marvel, uh, you know, there's probably how he got his powers.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And frankly, like, whether or not they were genetic or whether or not he got them in one way or the other, it wasn't important to the story that was being told.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think it was really necessary to go into that here.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can make your own assumptions and we will, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: But to, who amp shade it entirely and be like mutant, mutant, X-Men, X-Men, they're coming, like it would have been distracting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, it would have taken away from the overall story, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can we talk about Van Kovac, by the way?
[SPEAKER_00]: We're playing the douchebag to play like a pretty decent guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what a caricature of like most Hollywood directors.
[SPEAKER_07]: I thought Hock girl killed it, motherfucker.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, hey, two D.C. actors in Wonder Man here, y'know, y'know, y'know, y'know, Tomatene and Zlacko Botic, you know, making their way over in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, um, really... What are you doing?
[SPEAKER_08]: Monologue from Pretty Woman.
[SPEAKER_08]: That was a movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: That scene completely throw out was like, wait a minute, is he, is he, oh my god, no, Simon, no!
[SPEAKER_03]: It does read into the queer reading of it again, because it's like, why would you do like a woman's part and not even just any woman but a prostitute's part.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's not just not just that Chris also what I was talking about before with Simon's character, like him overthinking everything.
[SPEAKER_08]: In that moment, he chose a monologue, it's a great monologue.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: It doesn't really fit the moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, it would've been, it's we said was better than him coming out there and being like, He's talking to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: You talking to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nobody else here in the room.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, he must be talking to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: That by the way Andrew was his name again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Andrew guessed the the co-creator of this said that the inspiration for Von Kovac is a combo of Warner Herzog Paul Thomas Anderson and Christopher Nolan said I can see the word I could definitely see the word or Herzog
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, absolutely, but yeah, like that he wasn't a villain, you know, because when you when you named him, you know, Von Kovac, I just figured that we were heading in a villain direction and just a director, like, you know, like he's he's just he's just trying to do the best movie that he could possibly do and and make it work.
[SPEAKER_01]: and also Simon, please stop talking, please stop talking for the love of God, please stop talking, you're talking too much.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've actually reminded me of what's the, what's the Lynch movie?
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't describe it with a creepy joke scare, but like, you know, like Naomi Watts comes to Hollywood to act.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, uh, that was hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mahal and Drive, it might be of that, because it always, it's really something when an actor, not that I think something was ever performed when he was trying to act badly necessarily, but like, you know, he really knows how to do what Dean really knows how to turn it on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so seeing his levels of performance was really kind of next level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: beyond that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, whether any other like actual references to one of the comics that they lead in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they did not not a reference from the comic, but in the comics, they didn't bring this up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll never bring this up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to happen in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but in the comics, visions brain patterns.
[SPEAKER_01]: are those of Simon Williams.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like what helped bring him to life was basically a brain scan of Simon.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they are quote unquote brothers in the in the Marvel Cinematic Universe because like they they share memories and
[SPEAKER_03]: It's fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am fine with them tossing that out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did read those, you know, in my great reread and that when they tossed all that out, I was immediately happy.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like I thought the original material was bad, but there is a lot of stuff that I am fine with it staying on the page and adapting it.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've already brought this up in this call.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because again, I'm a big Trevor Slattery fan because I've said this on many, many comic timing episodes over the years, how much I loved them subverting the whole mandarin thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yesterday I eventually gave us the real mandarin, but I would have been fine without that because the mandarin, the original idea was always a racist trope and I know I've said this on the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: I apologize.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, I, I, I, I, now I've completely lost my taste.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What Trevor actually does in this series, the fact that he uses the Mandarin of it all to essentially save Simon and sacrifice himself so that Simon can continue to work in the industry, be one demand and get his time in the sun, even if it meant sacrificing his own comeback in the process.
[SPEAKER_01]: which was hilarious.
[SPEAKER_03]: I might add like it's it's it's it's so unbelievable and yet believable at the same time because you know obviously people see him as a terrorist to begin with so as we've already said the whole thing about being an older ass actor who gets typecasts that's what that felt like to me yeah I kind of love the whole thing is that he is known that he was the mandarin and some people are cool with that like the kids
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was such an unnecessary side quest version, the whole thing with going to the house to steal the bike and they're not drug dealers.
[SPEAKER_03]: They actually make it candy.
[SPEAKER_03]: One of my favorite reveals the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was laughing so hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_03]: Especially with the neighbor going there, drug dealing is like, no, I told you it's candy like screaming.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the fact that they want to do the Mandarin's Mandarin, it's just, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was such a nice little slice of light, like I thought it was very lovely, but yeah, it just goes into that Trevor is always going to be saddled with this thing, and I mean that's his cross the bear, like he took the wrong job, and I'm sure there's anxieties about that and Hollywood always about taking the wrong job, taking the job that tight cast you, makes you unhira.
[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite, my favorite sword that they did was the episode with like the New Yorker or New York Times and the entire time, your focus on like, you know, like, oh, she's talking to Simon's mom, Simon's brother, Simon's ex, like, well, she forgot her secret, like he doesn't, he's lied about this or that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did a great job sword because they're like, they spent so much sweat in nervousness on that element naturally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, oh, no, yeah, everybody's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, much of Slattery, you were the manager.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, he folds in like five seconds.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was short.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it also brings me back to the, you know, when he's first in the, the audition, Trevor and the, and the agents are like, he looks familiar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't he used to be a terrorist?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just the, again, evolution of character and that swarve was great because it proved that Simon's family and loved ones really do care about him, you know, that even, even his brother, even his brother may not, you know, be, you know, 100% his corner, he's in his corner when it counts.
[SPEAKER_01]: and this was one of those moments where it really did count and then when he tells him how proud he is of him at the premiere like, you know, there really is true, you know, familial love in the in the way his family brother was willing to be wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that, I mean, that's makes the brother a good character because you're right, like, because you know, he's bustling his balls like, oh, you're going on this career.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not going anywhere, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, when he's given, you know, he's got the interviewer on the phone or whatever, and he didn't badmouth him.
[SPEAKER_03]: He could have, but like then, of course, if it had come out, he knows that it would have been on him if his brother failed at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, to eat that crow at the end, to be like, oh, you're doing really well.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm proud of you, like, you know, it was just a lovely show all around.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of people are just acting like reasonable people with brains in their heads.
[SPEAKER_03]: And compassion so hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, his ex is played by the woman who was a, was a Joe J. Anderson in Dred.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, shit, you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, yep, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Talk to you right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good, good, good call out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would, I completely forgot about that, um, but also, uh, before we get to the, the last episode, um, now I, I mean, here we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Damage control.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, could someone please punch P. Cleary in the face.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's that's that's the name of the damage control agent Ari and Maio yet is the name of the actor and he's so good at being a slees ball Oh, yeah because like look I understood that he was quote unquote doing his job But from every bit that we got him from you know from from Trevor at the airport to Every other meeting with him like knock it off dude
[SPEAKER_00]: He was the most bad guy in the whole show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, we got a sense that he had like a sense of like righteousness or justice.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just he just like pushing people around.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, it wasn't even just that he just like pushing people around.
[SPEAKER_08]: He was basically trying to save his own ass.
[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, the whole his whole little crusade, which Trevor was, oh, I got to find at least one super power person to arrest and put in this prison and I'm going to lose my funding.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, whether or not they meant it as such.
[SPEAKER_03]: It feels like a metaphor for what's going on now where they will be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we arrested, you know, a hundred illegal immigrants.
[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, you know, when the numbers actually shake out, most of those people were legal and some not even immigrants.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just about hitting those those marks, hitting it, you know, like whether or not they meant it that way, that's the way it's going to be read.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean Simon Williams is a threat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why is he a threat?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, he just is like he has he has powers and those powers could power like okay great has he hurt anybody in the past.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but but he did he did break a a kitchen once like okay great one else like
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that kitchen needed a remodeling on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, hey, kitchen remodeling is expensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you can't be doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't give Mr. Rio, Tony Stark's glasses.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: What, let's just go through the full list of things that hold the mass actions that the Marvel Cinematic Universe did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, did he, oh, did he, uh, uh, stop Ironman's Ironman from, like, you know, taking the, I'm finally going off with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God, did he, I believe the answers to all of these questions is a big fat nose.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he did not.
[SPEAKER_01]: He played a character, and I will also add 70s Wonder Man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see that entire movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that shit was so camped.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I was honestly surprised.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had to look it up because I thought the actor playing the vintage Wonder Van was Glenn Powell.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is not Glenn Powell.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is very much a look alike.
[SPEAKER_07]: I thought it was the guy who played the hitman remake.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, he was on Homeland for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that there've been like three I feel like there've been three hit man movies that have come out.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, I'm a good friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think half a time the and I wasn't sure I really wasn't sure I hope that half a time though the classic vintage one or many images Break AI well honestly couldn't tell I hope they weren't but although although pardon me almost wished.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad they didn't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad they didn't do it, but actually
[SPEAKER_08]: If a hold on the actor who played the 70s Wonder Man is a guiding Dane Larson.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay got it Dane Larson.
[SPEAKER_08]: All right, let's say in Larson.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking We'll get him up right now to see if he's if he's been at anything yet anything.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yes
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, he hasn't really been in anything like big yet, but he's got a couple of projects coming whoo, whoo, a couple of movies coming up.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did play bodyguard Keith in general hospital, so, you know, that's, that's a, that's a memorable guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's like a liar.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a, he's a working actor, and that's, I mean, this is what we're going to get him get him that a little bit of a leg up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, think, think about how close you can.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, you can.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: Was it really awkward?
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's been a dark worker.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: We came really close to having Nathan Philly and as Wonder Man, and I'm glad it didn't happen now, because there was going to be basically a throw away movie poster in one of the Guardian's movies that was going to have Nathan Philly and as Wonder Man in space in one of the scenes that was going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So another
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought I heard that they did that, but it was a good believe it's seen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I heard them all.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did make the posters, but they decided not to use them in the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whether Marvel told them not to, or whether they just decided not to, who knows.
[SPEAKER_01]: But either way, like this whole series probably wouldn't happen had that, had that occurred.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, some of this stuff is, you had mentioned it in an hour ago that some of this stuff is definitely, like I don't know when they filmed this but it was definitely probably 2024.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: This whole thing is very detailed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I remember Miss Marvel came out at minimum two years after they finished filming that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even working at it here, let me see if they have anything on the production for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do, but yes, definitely partially because of the strike.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, wow, filming began.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: April 2023.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, uh, and it resumed in a situation during that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, it resumed in early 2024 and filming concluded that March and post-production ended around September and they didn't release it until now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what's coming out?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are that time in Marvel in like 2024?
[SPEAKER_00]: Was it the Marvels?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think you're right about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say 2020 Marvel movies, 2024.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is Deadpool and Wolverine came out in 2024.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's very important.
[SPEAKER_01]: Marvel movies, Madame Webb Craven, The Hunter, and Venom, The Last Dance came out in 2024.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, L.O.L.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can I can I just side note all that is a I saw the announcement they were talking about how those movies Bob, but we're gonna try again and I got so confused because I did not realize craving to hunt their head actually come out Yes, it did I saw it in theaters It was not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: What yeah, I did I did I did I have I have AMCA was like I I see movies like that's what I do
[SPEAKER_00]: Why, why didn't he use the same accent that he used to be a full-tron for Craven the same fake Russian Ukrainian whatever accent?
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the American.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, why didn't like, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why,
[SPEAKER_01]: God, that movie makes zero sense to me and now I mean again, they're rebooting their side universe because it didn't work, but you know, why didn't Russell Crow use the same accent he used when he was Zeus, you know, because everybody remembers he's Zeus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey guys, he's Zeus.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, nobody cares, but you know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: It should just do like, um, because I was talking about these movies on the last episode of Question of the Answers, and like, um, this should just do silk.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they should do characters that actually do carry their own stories.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, not villains.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they should, they should, they should do, like, they're doing Spider-Man who are, he had his own mini series, like, um, you know, they're, their, their miles movies, which are hugely successful, rightfully so.
[SPEAKER_00]: They should actually like not try to kind of crowbar things that happen happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, no, smell of web has been a supporting character.
[SPEAKER_00]: for like 40 or 50 years and nobody liked anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would she have her own film franchise?
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was there was going to be a series called Silk Spider Society.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was that was that was in production at one point or at least about to be in production.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Madam Webb basically shookhand it and it's not going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's
[SPEAKER_01]: that that was possibly going to be coming down the pipe and now it's just not going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: So who knows?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, let's talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: How this ended.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, the only way I wanted it to end, which was pro love survives as
[SPEAKER_01]: First off, the major swerve of Simon going to quote unquote research his next movie by shadowing a security guard at the facility that Trevor is being held at and then utilizing that to break him out.
[SPEAKER_01]: A that scene took way longer than I thought it was going to and I didn't exactly know where it was going but once I figured it out I'm like oh my god this is brilliant.
[SPEAKER_01]: and really just perfectly executed conclusion to the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that they that they really took enough time to make that work and that he left the money that he did for the for the security guard as my bad like was was great too.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, no, no, that dude is not going to have a job in government.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely not, you know, he got swerved.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say, I think that like the ended in being, and then he just breaks a mountain, they fly off.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels a little, a little, like, a little easy, just because like it was such a suspenseful series.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying it was a wrong ending necessarily, but like it feels, you know, like I kind of a quick come down after like the huge buildup to like what happened at the end of the previous episode, but I did like how smart they showed Simon to shed of this guy and though that was his plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, to bring it back to movies, don't know, it was the graduate.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was, you know, the site deciding to do it and then, okay, now what, what's next?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because because, yeah, now you've broken out, but like, what the hell happens next, man, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: If they were a Marvel movie, they would absolutely show Simon and Trevor flying to like, hello, darkness.
[SPEAKER_00]: They absolutely would have done that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I loved the choice to play everybody's talking.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the answer to tie is it back to how you met, you know, an emphasizes, again, the close male friendship, you know, I thought that was a lovely moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because that episode didn't quite sit for me that great because it was rushed because after that slow build up or suddenly like Oh the movie got made.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's a big hit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh Simon's a huge star.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh Simon's doing this other thing now like it just has a very big company
[SPEAKER_03]: It was, it wasn't really, I mean, mind you that wasn't the climax of the show anyway.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was all, they know me anyway, but it's just, yeah, for a short show, I feel like you can't, you shouldn't really be doing eating up so much of your screen time on that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's still a good episode, just, it just felt weird to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right.
[SPEAKER_07]: I thought this sort of in the last episode wasn't necessarily the rescue.
[SPEAKER_07]: I thought it was the thing of what is dad.
[SPEAKER_07]: I was like, yeah, we've seen the past a little bit and they keep bringing up the birthday party and I was like, oh, maybe it's the first time he uses powers and then once you had like, forget what's seen, I think it was when his dad was talking to him, eating a burger after the movie.
[SPEAKER_07]: I was like, ah,
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh no, like he like killed his dad and that's why they're not allowed to talk about it
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's a brother still around.
[SPEAKER_07]: Mom's still around.
[SPEAKER_07]: I got it that he killed his dad in the accident.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys not catch that?
[SPEAKER_07]: No, I I Remember his dad's saying you could do whatever you want or you're very talented.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't Did you then blow him up?
[SPEAKER_07]: There's a whole bunch of like daddy issues and that's why the brother doesn't like him and all this other stuff And that's why he's giving him a hard time and at the end of that episode where when they finally get you know satisfied
[SPEAKER_07]: knocking each other out that I think they say like oh man a wish dad would be here was here and wish dad was here and then they quickly changed his subject because it's uncomfortable and the reason it's uncomfortable is because he he when he manifests his powers in the in the I don't know if I think it's a fire or someone like that right and they say don't talk about the fire he's dead dies
[SPEAKER_07]: It's it's it's I don't see that you see the dad and the mom or you see Simon in the mom and the brother after that You never see the dad.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's not exactly that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's it's left ambiguous.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just Google it to make sure that Defined if we were just that oblivious.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like no, it's actually mid-dumbiguous.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: We'll get on the way
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't think I'm reaching for it.
[SPEAKER_07]: I feel like it's there.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's just like they're not like making a point out of it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like it's not this is us, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_07]: Where they're like, yeah, you're done in the fire.
[SPEAKER_07]: You're all sad.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think because that was why they started.
[SPEAKER_07]: They kept talking about them.
[SPEAKER_07]: They kept talking about this incident.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then the final episode, you see his dad finally, and you're like, oh, this is why he loves this movie.
[SPEAKER_07]: See, saw it with his dad right before he died.
[SPEAKER_07]: I could, I could see where you're coming from when you ever see him before then, but yeah, I can't believe you guys missed him.
[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't miss anything, we just didn't, again, it's left ambiguous.
[SPEAKER_07]: I, it never, yeah, but it's, it's not, I don't know, I feel like you guys missed it because you guys are all like, what?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's what because we didn't see that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't interpret that at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, I just Google it to see maybe there was something I missed.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, no, I didn't miss anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, there are even people online who are like, I think his father died before his power is manifested.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not really addressed in the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: You just the reason we're like, what is again?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because we thought maybe we missed something that you caught.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's not that we missed anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can read it either way.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I feel like it's kind of amazing to me to see shows that are willing to not tell you everything and let people read into things.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I mentioned night of the seven kingdoms earlier and one of the things interesting things about night of the seven kingdoms that's never confirmed.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there are people who are online insisting that they confirmed it is whether or not Duncan is actually a night or not.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's ambiguous and I saw an article or it's here and it's like, no, it's, it is actually embages.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's left that way on purpose.
[SPEAKER_03]: Georgia, our Martin specifically asked that they leave it ambiguous and let people, you know, speculate and wonder about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's, you know, there's no pun there from you saying wonder, but, you know, just, I think that's what Wonderman is also wants to do is just like, it's not really important.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: the main part is his father is just gone and like he had that moment whether or not he feels guilt because I never I don't read it as him feeling guilt about it which is probably why I didn't read it the way you did Brent I don't read it as him having killed his father in that fire.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like they would have been more explicit and outright said oh the father died in the kitchen fire like that's not a shameful thing to admit like somebody like the New York Times lady probably would have brought that up like oh your father died in the kitchen fighter she doesn't
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I don't think he feels guilty about it.
[SPEAKER_07]: It drives his whole character though.
[SPEAKER_07]: In my brain, like when that clicked for me, like he drives his whole character, like, that's why he has such a, you know, a drive to be this perfectionist.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's why he's always thinking because he's he's wanting to live up to his dad's expectations because of that conversation, eating the burger.
[SPEAKER_07]: You can do anything you want.
[SPEAKER_07]: You have your very talented.
[SPEAKER_07]: You're going to be fantastic.
[SPEAKER_07]: You're going to be wonderful.
[SPEAKER_07]: Whatever thing you want to use.
[SPEAKER_08]: And then when I get that part, I do get that.
[SPEAKER_07]: He may not feel guilt about it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like you just like, hey, it's an accident.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm a mutant, whatever.
[SPEAKER_07]: But like I am, you know, I need to make up for this.
[SPEAKER_07]: I need to make up for this thing that I did.
[SPEAKER_07]: And that's what's driving him the whole time to be this perfectionist.
[SPEAKER_00]: he doesn't seem to have like shame of his powers like he never thinks I have powers maybe I should try it for the Avengers like he's just like no we're gonna hide this for all for my entire life and be an actor yeah and what we're doing that shame is if you know he's dead out of it because of it
[SPEAKER_07]: But well, I can see that.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think I can, I think Iron Man's been running around for like what 20 years or something like that like there are heroes running around with powers and if you have this fantastic power like he does like it would make sense that you would if you developed it you'd be like, oh, I know what I'm going to do and I'm going to go join shield or whatever but I suppose a hiding it and feeling that shame
[SPEAKER_03]: But I feel like that misses what the point of the show is for me is that the show is not really about being a superhero or having superpowers.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a show about being an actor in Hollywood and the thing what made the show compelling to me is that, yes, Simon and Trevor both really love acting.
[SPEAKER_03]: They love the art of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not about doing good in the world or being famous for either of them to be honest.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is just about the art of the craft.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did share that article with you guys in the chat and we can probably put this in the show notes that the Folger Shakespeare Library has an article about Wonder Man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like this, you know, Shakespeare's scholar was just talking about it like how how much you can see the, the, the, the, sorry, the.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tradition and the love of Shakespeare in these two characters and that's like the kind of thing that makes people want it to getting to acting and how seriously they take it and that And then they do and they quote Shakespeare a lot in the show It's like Shakespeare is just very important to actors.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not an actor.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I like Shakespeare But I don't love Shakespeare the way actors do and that if he was saying like this show captures that how like that Let's me out is that obsession which Shakespeare that like actors will have
[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, I mean, Wonderman might have been one of those things that made Simon want to be an actor, but I'm not saying it's like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: His end goal was ever to be explicitly Wonderman to be famous or a superhero or any of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's about the love of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the love of the art, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I completely get where you were coming from with that, Brent.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think that weaving it ambiguous like that does allow you to, you know, reach your own conclusions on how the father died.
[SPEAKER_01]: I personally read into it that he died won't
[SPEAKER_01]: before that actually happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mostly because the fire happened when Simon was like 13, according to, you know, like when it went down and it felt like he was younger than that when that conversation with his dad was taking place or at least that's what it felt like personally to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whether or not that is the case, you know, I guess maybe the
[SPEAKER_01]: maybe at some point, you know, cresting and the others will actually one way or the other, you know, mention it and make that finite.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, um, I think that still leaving your power, your, your powers secret like that goes back even to, you know, general motivation, but also family and not wanting to scare the family or
[SPEAKER_01]: or make them, you know, think of you a very specific way or not.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this has happened in Marvel Comics as well, you know, with plenty of characters like ones that don't want to reveal their powers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they're either forcibly revealed and then they wind up heroes from there, whether they want to be or not, or they never become heroes.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have one instance of power and then you never even freaking see them again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, can I bring up something very relevant to that?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's dazzler.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I can already, I can already hear Raph go and get a slur.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dazzler.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's so funny because there's that panel, you can look it up.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is actually from an issue of X-Men, one of her first appearances in Cyclops, says there aren't you curious about where your power is coming from, and she goes, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's literally that's the entire dialogue.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I never was interested in being a hero.
[SPEAKER_03]: The only reason she's a hero is because her career just completely knows dive after the it came out that she was immune, which was not even her choice.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was her agent slash boyfriend.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, let's put that out there.
[SPEAKER_03]: People will love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: They did not love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, and, and, and my, you in, in the comics, there's a whole other different origin story and, and the fire and all that jazz.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not even going to get into that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what I, what I, what I will say is,
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's important to Simon that he had his father when he had him and I think that for this story's sake, we think it nebulous one way or the other is perfectly fine by me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'd love to see what, uh, what, uh, what, you know, what, uh, what, what listeners of the show think one way or the other, whether or not that, you know, that happened there or, uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, whether we're just being captained oblivious here and Brent is 100% accurate.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, who the fuck knows?
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, Eddie, we're leaving a big you wish gives it power because there's so much more meat to chew on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: That I wasn't left demanding one way or the other and bring a theme about that to be honest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no 100% agree with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, that wasn't the story being told more than anything else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was it was more about, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know the story that we actually got then then that I would have made a very very different situation otherwise, but I do hope in the end That Marvel gives us more stories like this more character driven pieces more simple scenarios more way less of
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, this series is going to exist so that they can eventually show up in the next Avengers movie, and you know who they are, like, that's not, that's not really what I'm looking for with these type of situations here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we don't necessarily need a Mandalorian and Groguous scenario for Marvel TV, like Marvel TV can be Marvel TV and build the universe as it is, and the movies will do the same one way or the other.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got, you know, season two of Daredevil coming up, which means I should really get around a finishing season one.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm looking forward to Jessica Jones showing up in the new season of Daredevil and then we're going to have vision west and then I'll do this for future as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: more Marvel TV to come.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Jens, before we wrap it up, one more thing of note that I wanted to bring up to everybody and people on the call may appreciate this as it news just came out today that there is going to be a Marvel maximum collection of video games that is being released.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, uh, that is, it is including old titles such as Xmen the arcade game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Captain America and the Avengers, which Donno just mentioned not too long ago here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Wonderman.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Spider-Man Venom Maximum Carnage.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Venom Spider-Man's separation anxiety.
[SPEAKER_01]: Spider-Man X-Men arcades revenge, which was a great X-Men game, so I'm glad that that's getting there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And silver surfer for the NES.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we have every video game to read up to to that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: No Spider-Man Genesis.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Note no sprite members to the king pen now.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that that's not in this particular collection here, but it's it's gonna it's being put out by limited run games And it's gonna be available for both the switch and the PS5 So that that will be coming soon and it will be the first time that X-Men the arcade game is available on modern systems So good Good to see that You probably my iPad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm my iPhone
[SPEAKER_01]: you probably did because it was available for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember I had, I had a version on the iPod Touch back in a day.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that version eventually got retired.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was no longer available on iOS.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's probably where that one came from.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: cool to see these these old Marvel games back in the ether one way the other so it's cool I kind of wish it was digital eclipse instead because digital eclipses were doing like the museum treatment for its re-releases like where they actually give you they'll scan the manuals they'll do interviews and they kind of add that so you get this like historical context also at my which company is it is it limited run games it was getting in trouble for using
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you know, I think you are right about that actually, so hopefully they fixed that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was that was not good because yeah, I guess that I would prefer digital.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, it was limited run games, but we'll take what we can get, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's something.
[SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully there'll be good, there'll be good editions of it and they won't just be on burn DVR.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, we'll see.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't believe they did that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really care so it's so cheap.
[SPEAKER_01]: So cheap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, all right So that about wraps it up here You know what I'll throw it out there real quick for recent reads real quick just in case because we should actually talk about some comics here and then we'll wrap it up But uh Chris you got any recent reads you can go through out there
[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to mention this if we did a best of episode, which seems increasingly unlikely later that we get in the year, but I did read Search and Destroy Volume 3.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me go go that real quick so I can give you some names here.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's Apsusushi.
[SPEAKER_03]: Azushi Kanako.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's three volumes.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a retelling of a story originally conceived by Osama Tizuka.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was done.
[SPEAKER_03]: The art was done digitally, which I thought was really interesting, because it still looks like inked art.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very clean and beautiful and very has that very stark black and white look to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: The story revolves around a girl who's
[SPEAKER_03]: She lives, the world has humans and it has, you know, cyborgs and they call them creatures.
[SPEAKER_03]: If they're not, you know, real people, they're known as creatures and there's that tension between the two, like humans have more privilege and the creatures are all downtrod because they're just workers and this, the girl, the main character, is that she's had a bunch of her body parts harvested, they've been stolen and then planted in a bunch of creatures.
[SPEAKER_03]: would be cool to have a human heart.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well now I do!
[SPEAKER_03]: Yay!
[SPEAKER_03]: And so she's on a quest to get all her body parts back, which basically just means murdering a bunch of these cyborgs.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's absolutely beautiful.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's translated by not really friends of the show, but he is our friend Ben Applegate.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, so I believe that makes it, no, it's, I think that's it's actually published by Dark Horse.
[SPEAKER_03]: He works for Kododshah, oh, then I'm looking this up to make sure, no, it's phantographics.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, my bad, it was phantographics, then actually works for Kododshah, so that's actually a really kind of interesting that he did this sidework, I think it's excellently translated, it's written, it's, it's only three volumes, you will get it done real quick.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so that that's my recommendation for recent reads.
[SPEAKER_01]: Excellent.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to throw out their real quick DCKO, the kids are all fight special, that just came out a little while ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is Jeremy Adams and Travis Mercer.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a one shot that's part of the whole DCKO stuff, but it involves characters that we don't normally see that much of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey Chris, did you know that Leanne Harper got aged up to a team?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because she did, but he didn't read Green Arrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, no, I didn't read that part, uh, so I was not, I was not familiar with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but, uh, yeah, it's not sexy, so.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, she's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's just a teen, but, uh, because Cassandra came back her role, uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: Jay Garrick's daughter, Judy Garrick, we had Harper, and also Jeffrey Holt, aka Fairplay, who's Mr.
[SPEAKER_01]: Terrific's son, who's also neurodivergent, bringing it back to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And QuizKid, who is Ragyu, Seatharaman, along with Superboy John Kent.
[SPEAKER_01]: are in this here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And basically it's John Kent being tasked by the Titans to look after the kids while everybody else is off in DCKO.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a whole great goodness arc that takes place where they run off and John has to go try to save their asses because they're getting in the deep due to pretty quickly.
[SPEAKER_08]: Overall, we're bouncing things out because they aged up the end, but they're going to de-age John.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there you go.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that's our de-aging John.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I can have a whole, we can have a whole episode about the way these companies handle, especially D.C. and those legacy characters that they want the legacy, but they don't want to actually have to deal with the legacy if that makes any sense to people like we could have told them about that, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like we could have, you know, like, oh, well, here's a new character who's going to take on the mantle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, but the fans like prefer the old character.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm still salty about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another character that it shows up in this in this issue is I re West.
[SPEAKER_01]: While he's, uh, while he's daughter, uh, who's now known as Thunderhart.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, uh, and terrible name.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: not a great name for her.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean even even the names Mark Wade gave him weren't that great, but that's awful.
[SPEAKER_01]: No agreed, but she's she's definitely been aged up a little bit, but that happened years ago, so she hasn't got any older than she was when you know when when that was going on, so that's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: But also this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, no, thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the aging up is part of that problem though.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like we don't want the characters to get older, but we want them to have kids.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want Batman to be 50.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not old anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting ass.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, I'm not needing him to do cartwheels, whatever, but like, you know, right kind of don't ever turn, where he's 65, not 55.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, why not?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's happening tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but hey, Cascane shows up, and this is as a big character, and there's also some brainwash characters, including Stargirl, Yarafore, Wondergirl, and as I previously mentioned, I re-west, but this issue also marks the return
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, Virgil was not showing up in a while, and this was the return of said character.
[SPEAKER_01]: Overall, very good one shot here, so do check out the kids are all fight, special if you get the opportunity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, uh, don't know what you got.
[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of static, once again, this has been a big push by the writers, including writer Joe Ellidge, who I reviewed, as of this recording last week, and that should be on DC.com by the end of this week.
[SPEAKER_00]: The new DC, the new history of the DC universe that encoded incident, this specifically rings milestone into the DC universe, and not just in the DC universe, the DC universe continuity, like, like, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: goes back to the original mouse with comics, although there are some blending of the mouse and returns, these are one elements in there, but it talks about the past, like this goes into like one president with Lutheran's president, like you know what happened to the Dakota Heroes then, and they're really trying to make this be a success so we can actually get a static comic out and make the mouse stone characters stick around and showing that there really is a yearning for these characters going to stay around the long run,
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I've read it already.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've had a review cup before it, doing it as soon as I can.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's solid.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very, very solid.
[SPEAKER_00]: And these are just terrific characters.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you've not read the mouse and characters, if you've not read the mouse and comics, I don't know if you've ever gone over that on your YouTube page.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all great.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can read the original icon, you can read the original hardware, you can read the original blood syndicate, static, like they're really, really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're just unending, untapped potential there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also am liking the Batman stat, many series, totally like older static and Terry McGinnis' Batman from the Batman Beyond series.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun, it's well-written, it's well-realized, solid, solid artwork.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm also an, I did enjoy Green Arrow before it was canceled by Chris Contan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that was, that was fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, that's my B.E.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, uh, right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, manga-wise, I'm so re-like, you know, Hajime Nuipo, but that's unofficially really somewhat.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, that'll, that'll, that'll be that further this month.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_08]: Jamal what he got okay, so I'm not going to talk about everything that I'm reading.
[SPEAKER_08]: I am going to focus specifically on the enter John universe.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, nice to describe him.
[SPEAKER_08]: It is really good.
[SPEAKER_08]: If you are specifically to transformers in GI Joe, if you are not reading those books, you have to pick up those books because mask is coming.
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, the armor strike command is coming as they have announced in the comics pro there was going to be a new mask series coming coming out soon
[SPEAKER_08]: I think either March or March?
[SPEAKER_08]: No, not that soon, but Matt Tracker shows up in the latest episode of Transformers.
[SPEAKER_08]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_08]: So yeah, so it's good, it's good, good, good, good stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I know one Shane who is going to be very very happy that mask is is back in one former another as he is a huge fan of of of of the mask characters in general.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, mobile armors strike command with a K. Are they K all of the little controversy?
[SPEAKER_08]: Because as people assume that that skybound were the ones who did this.
[SPEAKER_08]: and because VAT tracker in mask is a black man in the comics and this has actually been the case since IDW since some bags of the logo of VAT series for IDW a few years ago because it was actually something that has bro wanted.
[SPEAKER_08]: They wanted VAT tracker to be black.
[SPEAKER_08]: Talk about.
[SPEAKER_08]: All right.
[SPEAKER_08]: So get mad at the people who actually own the character, they decide, as usual, they're the ones who decide how these things go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want, and if you want more Hasbro, check out next episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that's uh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, boy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy, happy to hear that mask is back in one form or another.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I got to catch my ass up on the energy on the universe, definitely.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, so you get Tom Riley on G.I.
[SPEAKER_08]: Joe and Dan More on Transformers right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, man, that damn more.
[SPEAKER_01]: He sure doesn't do anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, head and over to Brandon.
[SPEAKER_01]: What, what do you got?
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm trying to make my way through top 10 compendium.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's a lot of words.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_07]: So it's kind of difficult.
[SPEAKER_07]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, good conversation.
[SPEAKER_07]: Red oblivion song from Robert Kirkman.
[SPEAKER_07]: That was really good.
[SPEAKER_07]: and join that and then I read the the demon trilogy uh that was fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: One more thing to bring up actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't read it yet, but it's sitting like really right over there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mike McNeill was bowling with corpses, which is well regarded as one of the best comics that came out in 2025.
[SPEAKER_01]: Got me to rewatch something that I had completely forgotten about until I, you know, it kind of clicked in my brain and that was,
[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody remember the amazing screw on head pilot that aired on sci-fi's website back in a day?
[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, just for early.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this was a animated pilot that sci-fi put together as a potential pickup.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, they didn't even air it on sci-fi.
[SPEAKER_01]: They might have aired it like once it like two a.m. or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was available on their website to watch with voice talents of Paul Giamati, David Hype Pierce and Patton Oswald.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... along with moly shannon in this in this twenty two minute uh... peace it's done entirely in minnow a style and it was really really good and deserve more than just a pilot but they they never they never picked it up past that so it did that they released it in two thousand six and stuck on their website for a bit until eventually it was released on dvd uh... in two thousand seven and now you can watch a version of it on on youtube that other people of uh...
[SPEAKER_01]: have uploaded, um, I believe Kit Mouse also has a copy up along with a mini documentary on the making of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to check that out, uh, head to YouTube and check out the amazing screw on head.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's what we're checking out if you've never watched it before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good,
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm done talking, so I head over to plugs and then we'll wrap this sucker up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Brent, I'll start with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where can they find you?
[SPEAKER_07]: Could find me on YouTube at BK's bullets for one video a week now.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's your next one?
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_07]: I have to record it.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's probably going to be my oblivion song review.
[SPEAKER_07]: My demon trilogy one just posted today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Donald, questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we don't have answers, Q&A, which is.com, myself and co-serious and cute, I recording tomorrow with my cousin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I am aiming for a crossover, bring this show in ours.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to happen later.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to happen, baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: March.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We was really liking the conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have an on chat and can do a make for a great audio discussion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: So watch that's this in that space.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also DC universe.com.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can, or up sorry, DC.com.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll find my stuff as the aforementioned interview and various.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been working a lot in 2026.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you'll see a lot of stuff that I'm writing and putting up there every weekend or so.
[SPEAKER_01]: very cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jamal.
[SPEAKER_08]: Okay, so I will be at Lexington Toy and Comic Con March 26 through 29th.
[SPEAKER_08]: You can get that more information on that and all my other appearances at JamalEggel.com.
[SPEAKER_08]: And yeah, that's I'm, and if you want to find me online, I have JamalEggel.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm very easy to find.
[SPEAKER_01]: Excellent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... you can find me on blue sky lamp aint dot blues b sky dot social uh... i don't have any articles really coming up but you know you can look forward to meeting and talking about toy fair next episode so that should be fun and uh... yeah we've already mentioned a bit of a few shows not not in the capacity jemales just you know attending rather than exhibiting but you know you'll see me at the independent comics showcase and properly flamed calm this year so we'll see
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, sounds good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now I get to get through an outro without my voice cracking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on Blue Sky as I am sci-fi all one word and you can find us on Instagram and threads as comic timing podcasts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks everybody for joining us for this one and for everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, let's see, we're writing everybody out there that there's always time for comics.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's always time for hot lemon tea.