[SPEAKER_15]: Hi, I'm Matt Leib, and I'm Vince Mancini, and this is Matt, yours, yourself, a man.
[SPEAKER_15]: Hey, Matt, man, podcast, we're Vince Mancini, and I go through every single episode of the Mad Men.
[SPEAKER_15]: Hey, I'm so excited for you to join us for another wonderful episode of your favorite podcast in the world.
[SPEAKER_15]: The one where we talk about Mad Men, a show from the past.
[SPEAKER_15]: set in the past, but is it about the future?
[SPEAKER_15]: I don't know, I just kind of, I just kind of rift that.
[SPEAKER_15]: And I think I said, too true.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's not, you know, I think I said something pretty profound.
[SPEAKER_15]: Just reminder to everyone to give us five stars and review.
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[SPEAKER_15]: You know, because sometimes I forget to tell her after I fuck her.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_13]: So we're chill.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, no, I got it.
[SPEAKER_15]: No, tell tell your your family about it because now that madman is available everywhere on HBO And by everywhere, I do mean HBO You know people are rewatching it.
[SPEAKER_15]: So why not tell people you know who are rewatching it to also listen to a podcast and to their content.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_13]: We saw you have 45 minutes to spare.
[SPEAKER_13]: Would you like to listen to a podcast for twice that long?
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_15]: Hey, you know how the episodes 45?
[SPEAKER_15]: What if you listen to something that was double in length?
[SPEAKER_15]: And watch the episode.
[SPEAKER_15]: So do that.
[SPEAKER_15]: Don't pitch it like that pitch it better.
[SPEAKER_13]: You unpack something, you know, it gets it spreads out, right?
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, exactly, and doesn't get smaller.
[SPEAKER_15]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_15]: I'm listening what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_15]: And a lot of people say, hey, I don't have time for that.
[SPEAKER_15]: Well, you know what I say to that, I say.
[SPEAKER_09]: your problem is not my problem.
[SPEAKER_09]: And honestly, you should get over it.
[SPEAKER_15]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_15]: Get over it and listen to the podcast from Madly and watch the show and then listen to the podcast.
[SPEAKER_15]: Today we're going to be talking about from season four of Madman episode four the rejected.
[SPEAKER_15]: And we have a wonderful guest.
[SPEAKER_15]: A returning pod yourself champion.
[SPEAKER_15]: he is uh most famous for being on this podcast a couple of times second to that his other claim to fame is that he is a new york times tech reporter ladies and gentlemen everyone else welcome back to the podcast the rat king Mike Isaac
[SPEAKER_15]: It's a tough doggy.
[SPEAKER_04]: How are you doing?
[SPEAKER_04]: I have me this was actually perfectly time because a few weeks ago we started rewatching Madman and I had totally forgotten that you guys were doing this.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not a loyal listener yet, but now I am totally fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: Perfectly time.
[SPEAKER_15]: Listen, if you, if it turned out you were a loyal listener, obviously you'd get bonus points, but you don't need bonus points.
[SPEAKER_15]: You get regular points for even watching this show.
[SPEAKER_15]: So did you watch it when it first came out?
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's really funny.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know I'm friends with a guy who does PR for AMC and he would like send me all this like madman stuff and like I was like,
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just didn't because I wasn't watching show about clothes.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know I was like, and he like sent me this like key art like for one of the seasons or something Just like at work, and I was like, oh, that's cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I'll just give it to someone and now after I watch him It gives a shit.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just did not give a fuck at all and then like years later I finally did
[SPEAKER_04]: the full watch and I want to say it took me as long as like locked down.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like literally to lock down.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like fucking, I'm so dumb.
[SPEAKER_04]: This shows incredible.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, it's one of those, it's one of those shows, I know a lot of people actually, their experience was just the, I don't know fanfare around it at the time.
[SPEAKER_15]: They were like, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_15]: They tried and they're just like, I don't, one thing I've heard a lot of people go,
[SPEAKER_15]: I don't know, it's just show about a bunch of white men in the 60s seems like the exact opposite of the thing that I want to watch to which I say, um, that's racist.
[SPEAKER_13]: What's the opposite of that show about black women in the 90s?
[SPEAKER_15]: No, I think in the 2000s, I think there there's other show that I mean, they're like, these are all fans of the show.
[SPEAKER_15]: I just want to know ourselves, oh, some world after this.
[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, yeah, that's a good show.
[SPEAKER_04]: What is it?
[SPEAKER_04]: Different world.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, shit.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, maybe living ourselves some color.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: But no, we decided to watch this show, which is, you know, an all white man show.
[SPEAKER_15]: And a lot of people I know, then they, the lockdown happened, and when physically forced to watch the show, they realized they liked it.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_15]: I have the only liked white people.
[SPEAKER_04]: They all became white nascals.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was weird.
[SPEAKER_04]: I had that experience with better call Saul.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that is another one.
[SPEAKER_04]: It means it's different because of how slow the burn is and how slow like Ben's Gilligan burns are in general.
[SPEAKER_04]: Although I don't mixed feelings on Clarvis.
[SPEAKER_04]: But like, yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I spicy for when you do.
[SPEAKER_04]: I swear yourself a bus.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's do that.
[SPEAKER_04]: When one day will plur, I'll plur, I'll plur.
[SPEAKER_04]: It took me three times to do better call saw and then once it clicked, I was like, this is fucking incredible show.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, am I feeling, I think now is I like it better than breaking bad with, uh, I know, yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: The sacrilege shows some, maybe it's not, okay, maybe I'm right.
[SPEAKER_15]: Well, well, culture.
[SPEAKER_15]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_13]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_13]: I like, I like that show.
[SPEAKER_13]: I also feel like that's the one show that's allowed to do that and all other shows should stop trying to do that.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, like don't give me four plot lines that are all like very deliberate and then I have no idea what the connection between them is until like four episodes later like I'm not going to do that anymore stop it.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, I'll do that for the wire.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, and I'll do it for better call saw, but Mr. Mr. Mike, Mr. King.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I call you Mr. King when I see him.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like Mr. Mike.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what like a five-year-old child calls me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mr. Mike, I feel like I'm your cleaning lady.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: Mr. Mike, what is your favorite advertisement?
[SPEAKER_04]: So maybe this is controversial.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I really like the Folger's incest commercial is it?
[SPEAKER_04]: Folger's, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it is Folger's.
[SPEAKER_04]: Folger's like weird like brother sister like you think they're going to be like this goes viral probably ever three four months.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it is, it's insane.
[SPEAKER_15]: I let's see if the translate's over audio.
[SPEAKER_15]: This was from 2009, the 2009 Christmas TV crew.
[SPEAKER_01]: I must have the wrong house.
[SPEAKER_15]: Okay, so she says sister right up top and I know the reason they did it is because they said like oh I don't want you to get any weird ideas They didn't realize it was like yeah, this is an internet They waited up all night for you know long way from West Africa.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh What that's a local thing
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wait, why is he at West Africa?
[SPEAKER_03]: There he knows.
[SPEAKER_13]: You know, like, hold on.
[SPEAKER_13]: We brainstorm a place that doesn't have good coffee.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: West Africa is so weird.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's like, sorry.
[SPEAKER_15]: I've been running a mind-down coach of war.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just...
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been trying to get lithium.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm just here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I brought you something for a way.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, all right.
[SPEAKER_15]: What is he giving her?
[SPEAKER_15]: It's a box.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's a present.
[SPEAKER_15]: They're looking at each other.
[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, so she put she put the ball on him and said you're my present this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he's fighting his lip.
[SPEAKER_03]: Damn, this is fucking insane.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I get why they put sister up front because like, if you were to hit it at the very end, it would have been like 1,000 times worse.
[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_13]: one time when it went viral and I was like, I don't know if you guys are talking about but now I'm like, oh yeah, that's and they have so much rare earth metals in human slavery, but one thing they don't have the good couple of officers, soldiers instant for was that what he gave her as the president?
[SPEAKER_15]: I brought you back instant coffee from West Africa or no no, you know, she doesn't open the present
[SPEAKER_15]: Maybe she must have a hold on.
[SPEAKER_15]: Now I can't believe it.
[SPEAKER_15]: I have to rewatch this.
[SPEAKER_15]: This is a good commercial.
[SPEAKER_15]: There's so much going on.
[SPEAKER_15]: There's a meaning.
[SPEAKER_15]: You know, there's like, ishtar.
[SPEAKER_15]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_15]: All right.
[SPEAKER_15]: What is she?
[SPEAKER_15]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_15]: Give him a present.
[SPEAKER_15]: Give.
[SPEAKER_15]: She's holding the present.
[SPEAKER_15]: Get put to the ball on him.
[SPEAKER_11]: What are you doing?
[SPEAKER_07]: Here are my present this year.
[SPEAKER_15]: Okay, what's in the box is they're fucking morals I'm telling that's what's in the box fucking Christ that is a good commercial.
[SPEAKER_15]: What a good poll.
[SPEAKER_04]: I
[SPEAKER_04]: person to put that on here?
[SPEAKER_04]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I've forgotten that existed.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, man, great commercial.
[SPEAKER_15]: Well, but this isn't a show about incest.
[SPEAKER_15]: Only Don Draper could think of the yet.
[SPEAKER_15]: No, this is a show about mad men and we of course cannot start the podcast without first playing the theme song.
[SPEAKER_12]: Mad, you're a self-man.
[SPEAKER_12]: You're not always taking me there.
[SPEAKER_12]: Choose a madman.
[SPEAKER_12]: Just drunk.
[SPEAKER_12]: You advertise the keyboard.
[SPEAKER_12]: Podcasts.
[SPEAKER_12]: Do you know what you're about to do?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mad, you're a self-man.
[UNKNOWN]: Mad, you're a self-man.
[SPEAKER_15]: We're talking about the rejected season four episode four of Madman Vince, can you break us off a little piece of that synopsis?
[SPEAKER_13]: Pete gets some bad news and then some good news which affects Peggy more than she can say.
[SPEAKER_13]: Elsewhere, Allison can't keep her feelings under wraps.
[SPEAKER_13]: Hmm, that's true.
[SPEAKER_13]: That's true though.
[SPEAKER_15]: But Vince.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yes, Matt.
[SPEAKER_15]: What was happening in the world at the time that this episode was set in?
[SPEAKER_13]: That's right, we cannot evaluate a period piece, divorced from its period context.
[SPEAKER_13]: We got to put some of that context back in.
[SPEAKER_13]: We got to pack it in there, repack it.
[SPEAKER_13]: And we do that with a little segment that we like to call the news machine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want my ass from Wall Street Journal.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is no big lie.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is no system.
[SPEAKER_01]: The universe is indifferent.
[SPEAKER_06]: Last news, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_04]: Can I just say, I also say I wipe my ass with the walls to your own every time I go into the front door of my office.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just, that's how you enter.
[SPEAKER_04]: Literally, yeah, I wipe my ass with the roof.
[SPEAKER_04]: I announce it to the newsroom.
[SPEAKER_15]: I mean, that is one of those takes that's ever green.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, that's very true.
[SPEAKER_13]: I know, exactly.
[SPEAKER_13]: Time was.
[SPEAKER_13]: That guy wasn't wrong.
[SPEAKER_13]: We said it was about the past, but also about the future.
[SPEAKER_13]: And here Matt is for once in his life.
[SPEAKER_13]: He's correct.
[SPEAKER_13]: Proved correct.
[SPEAKER_13]: This episode premiered August 15th.
[SPEAKER_13]: 2010.
[SPEAKER_13]: That means we're taking the news machine all the way back to August 15th.
[SPEAKER_13]: They say have 15th.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: August 15th, 1965, which turns out to be a very eventful day.
[SPEAKER_13]: It was the week of the Watts riots.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, shoot.
[SPEAKER_13]: This is from the AP via the San Francisco Chronicle.
[SPEAKER_13]: Guardsman move in, new sniping, comma looting, 50 square mile battleground, brown arrives at the scene.
[SPEAKER_13]: The death toll rose to 22 last night as Negro rioters waged a guerrilla war with 7,000 national guardsmen and law officers in battle scarred South Los Angeles.
[SPEAKER_13]: After four days of violence, there was no end in sight as Governor Edmund G Brown arrived here after cutting short of European vacation.
[SPEAKER_13]: Brown vowed to stay until the outbreak is quote completely cleared up.
[SPEAKER_15]: got to say there's uh i love the bass yeah i was gonna say the time on our tradition of having to come home from the vacation to deal with an L.A. crisis.
[SPEAKER_15]: Sorry, I beat you to it.
[SPEAKER_15]: You know, you're correct.
[SPEAKER_15]: I also did you say 50 square mile battles on like that is crazy.
[SPEAKER_15]: And that's, that's not.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, you know, they say Los Angeles is spread out.
[SPEAKER_13]: It really is.
[SPEAKER_13]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_13]: That's proof right there.
[SPEAKER_04]: The traffic is what gets you.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and the traffic is terrible.
[SPEAKER_13]: They're in the watch rights.
[SPEAKER_13]: Forget about it.
[SPEAKER_15]: You can't go down the four or five without getting nice at least three burning cars.
[SPEAKER_15]: You can go to take the one ten of the one-on-one and then you're going to get snipe.
[SPEAKER_15]: You've got to go, you know, passes and cool and glend it on.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know what, I got so much shit the other day.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I remember that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Did you see that because I said the 101 or something like that?
[SPEAKER_04]: And everyone's like, oh, fake beer.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I fake beer, I've been here for 20 years.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I am actually not a native, but I got fucked up over that because I was like, fuck, they're right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I forgot that was like a thing.
[SPEAKER_13]: I remember people saying that when I was in college, where they're like, oh, do you say the up before a freeway?
[SPEAKER_13]: And I'm like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I've never once thought about that in my life.
[SPEAKER_13]: What?
[SPEAKER_13]: That's a, that's a northern question.
[SPEAKER_13]: No, so it's like, it is sort of half like whether it's northern or southern.
[SPEAKER_13]: No one can truly say.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_15]: Nothing, none of it matters to anyone except the Bay area.
[SPEAKER_15]: Like then I moved to the Bay.
[SPEAKER_15]: I remember just how many people would be like, uh, oh, we're from fucking North cow.
[SPEAKER_15]: Are you from so cow?
[SPEAKER_15]: And I was like, I get, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_15]: So cow, I've never heard any human say it who didn't work at the news.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, no one's just so cow and then people started saying it and I was like, what, why is everyone given into these Northern California fuckers?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we don't even know you're up here.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, I used to, I lived there for seven years and everybody,
[SPEAKER_04]: was like you would get all my ass about the I think everyone here likes having like some sort of specific identity around certain things and like that is just like tech people who are here who feel like ostracized they're like no I can do the article discrimination
[SPEAKER_15]: But I wonder it's because is I don't know what it's like everywhere else.
[SPEAKER_15]: I assume everywhere else is more like the Bay area Where they just saying I'm gonna take one-on-one to five I genuinely have never thought about it Yeah, I know what can I do Considered
[SPEAKER_15]: I still don't know which one I do and I just weird it's a little pickadillo that people feel like entitled to do when it comes to LA people and I say shut the fuck up.
[SPEAKER_15]: I say shut up.
[SPEAKER_13]: Anyway, what's right?
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, what's right?
[SPEAKER_13]: Quora Larry to that we have a connected headline.
[SPEAKER_13]: LA's whites search for the reason.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, aren't we always?
[SPEAKER_13]: Lord, the streets running north and south on the western fringe of Los Angeles right area would seem to represent the fulfillment of the American dream.
[SPEAKER_13]: This is where the common man, the white man, has found his place in the sun.
[SPEAKER_13]: I'm sorry, can you just back up for real second?
[SPEAKER_13]: Is the common man the white man?
[SPEAKER_13]: Apparently so.
[SPEAKER_15]: That's a, yeah, oh boy.
[SPEAKER_04]: I remember L.A.'s white search for the reason was the original title of that
[SPEAKER_04]: And then they had to shorten it because of the label.
[SPEAKER_15]: And the reason is I'm wine.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, sorry.
[SPEAKER_13]: That's incredible.
[SPEAKER_13]: The streets and bouvards are broad.
[SPEAKER_13]: Sun-baved, palm-lined, and generally quiet blocks of garage signs used carlots drive in laundromats and service stations.
[SPEAKER_13]: Our interest burst with blocks of cottages resting behind neatly trimmed lawns.
[SPEAKER_13]: But this great American dream of peace and a place in the sun and two cars and every garage has turned into a nightmare.
[SPEAKER_13]: Confused the white people living modestly on the fringe of the riot area are confused But not yet ready to admit that their white man's dream has failed to include the Negro Instead these white people are living today so close to danger are pointing the finger of blame in many directions Listen for instance to Francis V. McCarthy a tombstone cutter who has lived in Southern California all his life
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, sick job, but people are always asking me.
[SPEAKER_15]: My opinion on stuff because, you know, I do cut tombstones.
[SPEAKER_15]: I love having a garden.
[SPEAKER_15]: Just a guy who's like, uh, I don't know, we need an every man job, you tombstone cutter.
[SPEAKER_13]: McCarthy is a tall man with a down-to-earth manner of speaking.
[SPEAKER_13]: He has been selling, sorry.
[SPEAKER_13]: I gotta go to the next page.
[SPEAKER_13]: He has been selling tombstones and grave markers to Negroes for 32 years.
[SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_13]: His business is on Norman Depot of Art
[SPEAKER_15]: So he's a white guy, assume we're talking only white guys for this piece about white guys, right?
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_13]: Watson is going to trouble spot for 30 years and has always attracted the riff wrath of Negroes and whites, McCarthy tells you.
[SPEAKER_13]: Don't get me wrong.
[SPEAKER_13]: The majority of Negroes in this area are good, God fearing people, but the trouble isn't Watson.
[SPEAKER_13]: And the best thing that's happened is that it's being burned out.
[SPEAKER_13]: Wow, and it's like it's a good good for business as someone who cuts brave stones for the blacks Someone who literally profits off a debt This has been tremendous content.
[SPEAKER_06]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_13]: Good guy to ask who is to blame for our writing?
[SPEAKER_13]: Quote, our politicians are responsible for the whole loss McCarthy says they have told the police not to pull their guns unless confront it with a gun
[SPEAKER_15]: same old shit, but for a second, I thought he was going to, you know, have some analysis.
[SPEAKER_15]: No, he's like, no, the problem is American policy and redlining and, you know, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a
[SPEAKER_15]: Shoot the guns.
[SPEAKER_15]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_13]: Politicians.
[SPEAKER_13]: Elsewhere, I'm moving over to the Miami-Herald.
[SPEAKER_13]: MLK calls riots wrong, comma, detestable.
[SPEAKER_13]: The Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King said Saturday in Miami, he strongly deplored the violence of Los Angeles, and he expressed hope it would not spread to other American cities.
[SPEAKER_13]: on a brief stopover on a flight to San Juan, Puerto Rico, where he is to address a religious convention, the Reverend Dr. King told Newsman he thought the Los Angeles riots were, quote, absolutely wrong, socially detestable and self-defeating.
[SPEAKER_13]: Later in San Juan, King said he favored, quote, the use of the full power, sorry, the use of the full force of police power to quell the situation in Los Angeles.
[SPEAKER_15]: Jesus Christ, you know, it's, uh,
[SPEAKER_15]: crazy about that is like, um, you know, all of that politics and I assume what he's doing there is politics and then he was still assassinated by a bunch of white supremacists.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, this is also has a column attached to it.
[SPEAKER_13]: headline, he should stay here or sorry, he should stay here, not go to Vietnam.
[SPEAKER_13]: A congressman suggested Saturday that Dr. Martin Luther King tries hand at
[SPEAKER_13]: Rep. Representative George V. Hansen noted in a press release that an eager leader is planning a self-appointed international peace assignment trip to Hanway to talk peace with Ho Chi Minh, the North of Vietnam president.
[SPEAKER_15]: Anyway, that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_15]: I feel like when you read that article about him talking about the riots, it's a felt very asking him if he could then condemn Tomahs.
[SPEAKER_12]: Tomahs?
[SPEAKER_15]: Tomahs?
[SPEAKER_15]: And he was just like, first of all, I absolutely condemn Tomahs.
[SPEAKER_15]: And I find them super detestable and all that.
[SPEAKER_15]: And I'm just sitting here just kind of going like, tisk, tisk, tisk, Martin Luther King.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, well, you listen next to, this is an advertisement.
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[SPEAKER_13]: You ever know the same root word.
[SPEAKER_13]: They're just both talking about a luxurious place to sit.
[SPEAKER_15]: You ever felt it's so comfortable sitting on something that you're like, my bowels are about to move.
[SPEAKER_15]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, we made a lot of this.
[SPEAKER_13]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, I just like that there was a legit riot that was every page of the newspaper.
[SPEAKER_13]: And there was like, oh, there's also a riot of chairs.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: But you wish it was a chair riot for your hunting.
[SPEAKER_13]: These prices are pulling innocent white people out of the house.
[SPEAKER_14]: I'm just a regular Danny being beat with a love seat.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, maybe we can't all get along.
[SPEAKER_13]: So finally, I'll cut this one short with Beetle Palma Cartney, will wed. New York, a spokesman for Beetle Palma Cartney said yesterday that the entertainer will wed Jane Asher, an 18-year-old British actress and daughter of a London physician.
[SPEAKER_13]: The planned wedding, no date, was announced during a rehearsal for the Ed Sullivan Show.
[SPEAKER_13]: However, all three Bernstein's kept their hands over their ears through most of the Beatles' scream along.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yesterday, a solo by Paul McCartney in the new slow style called Pop Folk, quite at the audience, but immediately turned again into a herd of screamers for help.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, um, did you ever do that?
[SPEAKER_15]: Cause I feel like, did you ever marry Jane Asher?
[SPEAKER_15]: Was that her name Jane Asher?
[SPEAKER_15]: Uh, I think so.
[SPEAKER_15]: I thought Jane Asher was like, uh,
[SPEAKER_15]: I thought she was I'm getting my Beatles knowledge probably mix up I wasn't she a photographer who was I thought she was already married to a different person doesn't matter I should have looked that up because I do now now I want to know my guys as our resident newsman no I can see never married her he had Linda Eastman Heather Mills and Nancy chival damn so he never married her homie
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, concur.
[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_15]: Curse, damn crazy.
[SPEAKER_13]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_13]: After their appearance tonight before an expected, uh, who was hard to see a 55,600 at Chase Stadium, home of the New York Best Spaceball team.
[SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: The Beatles will leave for shows in Toronto, Canada, San Francisco, and other United States cities.
[SPEAKER_13]: I think the chase stadium was their last concert, though.
[SPEAKER_15]: Are that was in 66, wasn't it?
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, 66.
[SPEAKER_15]: And then that was it.
[SPEAKER_15]: No more touring for them.
[SPEAKER_15]: And then they did that rooftop show that sucked.
[SPEAKER_15]: Everyone who likes that is stupid.
[SPEAKER_15]: And that album sucks, too.
[SPEAKER_15]: Which album is that?
[SPEAKER_15]: The fucking letter B. I just like, it's got like two or three, of course, Bangor songs and some other really good ones.
[SPEAKER_15]: But people, you know,
[SPEAKER_15]: I think because let it be such a good song that everyone's it.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's just a fact.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's a fucking Paul McCartney show at that point.
[SPEAKER_15]: I was like, uh, enough enough rum.
[SPEAKER_04]: So me all day long all day long rubber soul.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, I mean it's that and if I'm being honest with you Fucking white album is dope.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, people shit on it, but I think it's dope double album give me more songs
[SPEAKER_15]: I go revolver, but you know revolvers don't too shit the whole thing Yeah, the Beatles are good band.
[SPEAKER_15]: You know what dude?
[SPEAKER_15]: They got some bangers.
[SPEAKER_15]: They got some bangers But speaking of bangers, we've now done puppy my I was hell of tapping my feet That's why why is this Joel?
[SPEAKER_15]: Oh now I can't it just be regular
[SPEAKER_15]: what can be regular.
[SPEAKER_14]: He's just for no reason.
[SPEAKER_15]: He's from Fresno, he's allowed.
[SPEAKER_15]: Speaking of Banger Assongs from this era, listen, a lot of people really love the Beatles, but you know what else?
[SPEAKER_13]: Wow, what a segue.
[SPEAKER_15]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_15]: They also they also loved the Rolling Stones.
[SPEAKER_15]: So here is a little bit of Draper D story about this episode 404.
[SPEAKER_15]: The rejected.
[SPEAKER_15]: Here you go.
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[SPEAKER_14]: All right, so anyways, there's a full version of that song for everybody.
[SPEAKER_04]: Could it say does stop?
[SPEAKER_04]: What are you doing?
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, you got to stop at some point.
[SPEAKER_13]: You know, I didn't, it didn't occur to me until just now, but I would like if that was like the origin story for Joe Camel.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, we can't show people smoking and we can show a really cold voice.
[SPEAKER_13]: Can't show the horse is smoking either.
[SPEAKER_15]: And then I got it.
[SPEAKER_15]: But Joe Camel has to exist before this, right?
[SPEAKER_15]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_13]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_13]: He seems like a product of the 70s, but he does he?
[SPEAKER_15]: Joe Camel smoking first ads.
[SPEAKER_15]: I'm looking it up.
[SPEAKER_15]: Because that's 74.
[SPEAKER_15]: No way.
[SPEAKER_13]: I didn't know that, but I Intuitive that.
[SPEAKER_15]: Just yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_15]: That's crazy, dude.
[SPEAKER_15]: That means, yes, that's exactly what they did.
[SPEAKER_15]: They took the Roger joke of Saying, well, we can't show, you know, fucking athletes smoking anymore, but maybe we show horse racing and then
[SPEAKER_03]: So, yes.
[SPEAKER_15]: Let's talk about this episode.
[SPEAKER_15]: Let's get a general thoughts.
[SPEAKER_15]: Vince, what did you think of this episode?
[SPEAKER_13]: This was a good episode.
[SPEAKER_13]: I feel like it's a little bit of a come down after the last one and a few of the episodes this season.
[SPEAKER_13]: Sure, and also I think it's a great Peggy episode, a great Pete episode, sort of a mid dawn episode, and I like to think of it as, you know, thematically about the the birth of the useless consultant class.
[SPEAKER_13]: And I am I am firmly on team dawn over team Dr. Fay and yeah, good it's a solid episode.
[SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, Mike, this is, you know, post you doing your rewatch of this show.
[SPEAKER_15]: I know that you in your rewatch hadn't gotten up to season 4 yet, but jumping into this season, what do you think of this episode?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's funny.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm just at the beginning of season two.
[SPEAKER_04]: So this is a fast forward, but it's but it's bringing back, you know, some of the memories that I have.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm still in the era of the writing where you don't like Pete as a character.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like when it's like he's like obviously supposed to be the heel in the season one.
[SPEAKER_04]: And like
[SPEAKER_04]: This episode reminded me of how good of a character he is and like how like eventually he becomes more than like the one dimensional don antagonist sort of person, you know, yeah, and I loved like I thought yeah, I agree with you like.
[SPEAKER_04]: Don didn't really have a lot of development, but like this is a great Pete episode for me and like him like growing a pair with his father-in-law was so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so good.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I didn't see it going there, but like him, he learned having a father-in-law ever.
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[SPEAKER_15]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: I feel like a big theme of this episode for Pete was him having to overcome his waspy nature.
[SPEAKER_15]: And it's really pointed out when you first see Pete.
[SPEAKER_15]: being forced to talk to Tom in the bar, his father-in-law, and tell him that they have to stop working together because of this conflict with ponds.
[SPEAKER_15]: And he's so bad at trying to like trying to break bad news to him that Tom says this line, which I love, or some kind of
[SPEAKER_15]: Hi, wasp is really funny.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, like I German.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, I like it just like man you're really fancy You're so fancy you can't even say something.
[SPEAKER_13]: Mother must have breast fed you through a hole in the sheet
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, no, I feel like of all the characters on Madman, I find Pete to be maybe the most relevant one because I feel like they really set up this sort of Shakespearean dichotomy between Pete and Kenny Cosgrove, where's Pete?
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, they're both high wasps.
[SPEAKER_13]: But Pete just has this pathological awkwardness.
[SPEAKER_13]: Like he cannot move through life.
[SPEAKER_13]: He cannot move through life comfortably.
[SPEAKER_13]: He has all the advantages, but he will always be this like inherently guy-alist, uh, rizzless man.
[SPEAKER_13]: And, you know, and it's weird because you sort of identify with him a little bit when he's learning how to strive and and be ambitious and win.
[SPEAKER_13]: But, um,
[SPEAKER_13]: He also as soon as he gets a win like he turns into the biggest dickhead in the world.
[SPEAKER_13]: And it's sort of like I feel like every sort of tech founder and like almost every billionaire is like a peat like their peat coated like Elon Musk is the most fucking peat coated.
[SPEAKER_13]: Like all these guys are pizza.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's like they are like no matter how much money they have They still have like this awkwardness and like this chip on their shoulder because no one just likes them They're like not like a bull comfortable people It's why I say that Ken Ken was Pete's warrior, but it's the other way around Ken is Mario and he is fucking warrior
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, like Ken's not a good guy either, but like he He's natural.
[SPEAKER_13]: He's natural.
[SPEAKER_13]: He moves through life like he belongs there.
[SPEAKER_15]: He doesn't have Like he doesn't feel the need to like dunk on people because he has to like it doesn't have to He has the sense of like calm entitlement that should come with this you know like being blue blooded So he's just a cool guy
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, I'm sure at the time they made this, they were probably more thinking like, like, a long Kennedy Nixon lines, where, you know, yes, totally.
[SPEAKER_13]: Can he's a Kennedy and Pete's more of a Nixon type?
[SPEAKER_13]: Yes, but, but, you know, just like reading those news stories where like Nixon is off the campaign for a week, because he like bumped his knee against the side of his car.
[SPEAKER_13]: Like he was just like, he was just an awkward buffoon, a Bolsonaro of America.
[SPEAKER_15]: I can't shit again, I got beat to death by an ostrich, but like, yeah, Pete is very tech-coated.
[SPEAKER_15]: And we're just like, I guess it's...
[SPEAKER_15]: not just Elon Musk, but like all of them.
[SPEAKER_15]: They're all, yeah, almost everyone.
[SPEAKER_15]: What drove them to be you know, where they are seems to very much be the fact that they couldn't get along with anyone and no one likes them, which I've always said it's good to have those people running things.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, and it's not that like serial now, it's great.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I'm not sitting on anyone who was never cool their entire lives, but I feel like most people have that like thing in middle school and maybe early high school and then they figure it out.
[SPEAKER_13]: And that's like, if you haven't figured that out by the time you're 25, man, fucking.
[SPEAKER_15]: Well, I mean, there's like obviously some people are not neurotypical.
[SPEAKER_13]: There's the various reasons as to why someone might be socially awkward one way or another, what's I think the part that Yeah, but like there's neurotypical people that like are not naturally smooth, but they've figured out how to be like in the world like right not not hatefully like by like by that age usually.
[SPEAKER_15]: Right, they usually have figured out how to interact with people at least in a way that doesn't make them so off-putting that you're just like, are we enemies?
[SPEAKER_15]: Where is like, Pete is so bad at it that even when he decides to stand up to his father-in-law, because he knows he has a upper hand, his father-in-law goes, are you mad at me?
[SPEAKER_13]: like there's a line in there.
[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know if you got this line, but it's to me it stands out as like the like the weird line where his, I don't know if we can jump to the storyline whatever, but he's he's springing this thing on his dad.
[SPEAKER_13]: Like he's figured it out from talking to Kenny and he's going to try and talk his father-in-law.
[SPEAKER_13]: into giving him all his companies and he says, and like before he tells him what his pitch is, his father-in-law says, I know what you want.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, I love a bigger apartment.
[SPEAKER_13]: I have this, and Pete's, oh, I play it.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yes, yes, here it is.
[SPEAKER_11]: You need a bigger apartment, I get it.
[SPEAKER_11]: Every time you jump to conclusions, tell me, you make me respect you less.
[SPEAKER_06]: What?
[SPEAKER_06]: Fuck you.
[SPEAKER_04]: He was already what I was thinking, I was like what?
[SPEAKER_15]: What do you mean by that?
[SPEAKER_15]: It just because it's so blunt.
[SPEAKER_15]: Especially coming from a guy who was seen earlier was like, I'm afraid to tell you I can't work with you anymore.
[SPEAKER_13]: And now he's like just filled and it's not only blunt, it's like it's mean spirited in a weird way because I think the natural human thing is like when you sense the opening
[SPEAKER_13]: like he would feel some empathy for his his father-in-law on that moment where he's like, okay, for like I don't have to I don't have to strong arm him.
[SPEAKER_13]: He's like so nice.
[SPEAKER_13]: He's just gonna he's gonna Oh, like he's gonna turn over on his back and show his belly to me, but instead he's like, oh, wow you are pathetic in the way that you've shown me your belly.
[SPEAKER_13]: Now I'm gonna put a knife into it.
[SPEAKER_14]: So
[SPEAKER_15]: No, no wonder I, my people, have always dominated your people, like that's, like, he turns everything into race science for sure.
[SPEAKER_15]: Right.
[SPEAKER_15]: Um, but by the shape of your skull that you lack, but the scene, the scene is so good, I just have to play the rest of it.
[SPEAKER_11]: Don't auditioning.
[SPEAKER_11]: Are you mad at me?
[SPEAKER_11]: No.
[SPEAKER_11]: Clear Souls conflicted out by a bigger company, and I'm trying to build a business here.
[SPEAKER_11]: What do you want?
[SPEAKER_11]: Do you want the call, sir?
[SPEAKER_11]: I want all of it.
[SPEAKER_11]: Tudy!
[SPEAKER_15]: Do we have any ice, son of a bitch like he's the way that he is interacted with him at this point is so outside of the realm of normal for him that or anyone yeah for anyone but it's you see the father-in-law Tom is so caught off guard because he's so used to I think doming him a bit because yeah Pete at this point you know before before this
[SPEAKER_15]: the entire relationship has been true to he has all the money because Pete has this good job comes from a really high bread family or whatever you call it well bread but they don't have any money left you know the husband died left uh the you know his mother and you know debt and uh you know he's just been floating on his name um so i think Tom has obviously been like
[SPEAKER_15]: the lifeline for him, you're able to get the clearer cell fucking contract through him and what not, and now he has the upper hand and he's just like immediately goes for the jugular totally unnecessarily and I love it.
[SPEAKER_13]: I also, I feel like that, that little scene is sort of a testament to how good the writing on Madman is because
[SPEAKER_13]: like it's very rare for shows and movies to write a scene that's sort of confusing with like sort of with intention semi-ambiguous mode yeah confusing with intention in a way that like doesn't like it gives you something to sort of
[SPEAKER_13]: Think about it.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's not prescriptive, but also, the confusingness doesn't feel like an accident.
[SPEAKER_13]: It feels like it's getting to some truth where Pete's figuring it out.
[SPEAKER_13]: His father-in-law is figuring out because I don't entirely understand why his father-in-law is like, you son of a bitch.
[SPEAKER_13]: I'm like, is it because you stole my little girl from me or I have the currency of youth
[SPEAKER_15]: I think it's because he does realize that he's in a kind of a tight spot with this because he is now in a position where he's like, listen, we're going to drop you if you don't give me everything that I want.
[SPEAKER_15]: I just got your girl pregnant.
[SPEAKER_13]: We're going to have access to the grandchildren.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yes, I have your progeny or your grand progeny.
[SPEAKER_15]: And so you can either help or you can fuck off because I don't need you anymore.
[SPEAKER_15]: So because he is not needed any longer, that's why he's like you son of a bitch.
[SPEAKER_15]: As soon as he is not needed anymore, he should like, you know, Pete just throws the hammer down on him.
[SPEAKER_13]: So, I don't know, I love Allison Brie, don't give me wrong, like if she was here, I would, you know, propose marriage and, um, okay, so you're in love with Allison Brie, I okay.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yes, but I do feel like, I think her acting got better post-Madman because I find her like very, I don't know if she's very over the top or if she's just good at playing, like, I don't know if 60's housewives were just that extra.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think she has some, it's funny to say that because like in this, I feel like where she really nails it is when Pete hurts her and this is not necessarily in this episode, but like I just remember like sometimes when he's just a fucking asshole to her or like she's just like, I'm just like, okay, I feel that, but I agree like,
[SPEAKER_13]: She does sort of like go, I don't know, I think she's a really bad actress, maybe I do too, but I feel like it's sort of she's over the top like in the beginning of these scenes and then she sort of hits her stride when she's telling page she's like, well, you don't need him anymore.
[SPEAKER_13]: So, oh well, like
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, like that was really good.
[SPEAKER_13]: I think that was very, because I think she's being, but I think that maybe is just a function of the character.
[SPEAKER_13]: I'm not putting on airs in that moment, whereas when she's in what do you call it, hosting mode.
[SPEAKER_13]: Or, right, she's a different person, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_13]: Hosting was felt like it was like a huge deal back then.
[SPEAKER_13]: Which helps.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, dude.
[SPEAKER_15]: No, that's terrible.
[SPEAKER_15]: I wish hosting, like, because I don't know how it is in your family,
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, we can't we literally can't just have people over.
[SPEAKER_15]: We we have to all the sudden we're cooking all the same chairs extra chairs.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, believes on the table table and table cloth yet linens.
[SPEAKER_15]: And I just like can't we just have some homies over just for a chiller can we have a kicker Please and we never have kickers Pete Pete's storyline is great.
[SPEAKER_15]: I want to just thoughts on the intro of this episode.
[SPEAKER_15]: I have to say this is the most tight TV writing.
[SPEAKER_15]: I think I've seen From Madman thus far.
[SPEAKER_15]: I mean in a show that is already incredibly
[SPEAKER_15]: The intro scenes are like in three minutes, so much is conveyed and I looked at the time because I was like damn, they're doing a lot.
[SPEAKER_15]: So you've got Dawn and Roger being totally domed by their biggest client Lee Garner Jr to the point where he's like Dawn is literally delegating work and like doing other things while still on the phone with him, opening letters from like his dying West Coast wife.
[SPEAKER_13]: And like, he is such a salesman thing, by the way.
[SPEAKER_13]: I remember working at a web development company where we made websites for like the doctors and lawyers and shit.
[SPEAKER_13]: And the salesman would do that.
[SPEAKER_13]: Like the client would just be going on and on.
[SPEAKER_13]: And they would like put them on mute.
[SPEAKER_13]: And we would talk amongst ourselves.
[SPEAKER_13]: And then, and we're like, oh, wait, he's asking us to talk again and then on mute.
[SPEAKER_15]: Dude, hey, I don't know, I would be,
[SPEAKER_15]: I would be too afraid to do that.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, because I would do when I space out during a podcast.
[SPEAKER_15]: I freak out.
[SPEAKER_15]: I'm like, wait, what?
[SPEAKER_15]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, yeah, whatever you said.
[SPEAKER_13]: And I'd like to say we don't notice, but we do.
[SPEAKER_15]: We do.
[SPEAKER_15]: But like, so you've got that, then you've got, you know, in the, you know, dawn being on the phone and talking to people and delegating, you just nonverbaly, you see visually the tension between him and his secretary, Alison, we had hooked up with a few episodes previous to this.
[SPEAKER_15]: And then you see, we get Peggy in the room and Peggy wants to make this
[SPEAKER_15]: one advertisement about female empowerment, it's not just about getting married, and Dr. Faye is like, let's do a focus group.
[SPEAKER_15]: Boom, so we got the B story in there.
[SPEAKER_15]: Immediately after that, fucking Pete shows up, and they're like, hey, you have to get rid of clear cell ponds is a conflict.
[SPEAKER_15]: And in three minutes, it sets up the story lines of the show, and I was just like, yo, I, I did something to do.
[SPEAKER_15]: it's really hard like this might a lot of people who you know don't write might be like well whatever like that's that's where you're supposed to do it's like no it's really hard to do that there's really hard to see plots in that it's economically it's exact words yes
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, the writing that economical is not easy.
[SPEAKER_15]: And I was very impressed with it, especially knowing, you know, having seen this episode, knowing vaguely where it was gonna go.
[SPEAKER_15]: And then where it all those storylines end up, I thought was fucking phenomenal.
[SPEAKER_15]: And so I very much enjoyed this episode.
[SPEAKER_15]: You know, we talked a bit about Pete, we'll just start there and kind of finish his storyline,
[SPEAKER_15]: Pete is being forced to get rid of his, you know, working relationship with his father and law, and in that scene I played earlier, where he's like, man, here's some sort of high of wasp, we find out it's because Trudy is pregnant.
[SPEAKER_15]: And the way in which he is written,
[SPEAKER_15]: to react to that.
[SPEAKER_15]: I thought was such a brilliant way of showing like character development and character arc in that and he literally points this out when he talks to Trudy, which is like I thought this would feel
[SPEAKER_15]: I forget how's he say he says something along the lines of like I thought you know I this this feels better than I could have imagined or this I thought I would feel differently He's like he is comparing how he's also like wow father.
[SPEAKER_13]: It is great.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's like a brother You are you know, for as well.
[SPEAKER_15]: You're in for hell, bro
[SPEAKER_15]: No, but I think it's almost like he feels about it differently than in the way.
[SPEAKER_15]: I think he thought he was going, maybe this is in reference to Peggy finding out that she had gotten pregnant and has a kid somewhere, you know, maybe it's in reference to him like thinking like, I didn't
[SPEAKER_15]: I know I'm supposed to feel good about being a father, but I don't care because he didn't seem like he ever really wanted to.
[SPEAKER_13]: Like I think he knows, well, I think he's suddenly seen seen the like material advantages of it because he like immediately used it as a interesting.
[SPEAKER_13]: as like a business trip.
[SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_15]: I'm going to push back on that though because he didn't immediately do it.
[SPEAKER_15]: He could have used that exact moment.
[SPEAKER_13]: He learned.
[SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_13]: He learned.
[SPEAKER_13]: He learned through his interactions with Lane and then Kenny.
[SPEAKER_13]: He's like, oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_13]: This is like a thing.
[SPEAKER_13]: True.
[SPEAKER_13]: He does against me.
[SPEAKER_15]: He does use it.
[SPEAKER_15]: That is true.
[SPEAKER_15]: But I will say his his reaction to
[SPEAKER_15]: thrilled he was like on cloud nine and he noted he's like that was the moment to tell him and I didn't tell him and he's trying to figure out why he didn't tell him and like the reason was because he was just so happy that he wasn't thinking about fucking work for once.
[SPEAKER_15]: He was thinking about like something happy that doesn't relate to selling ads for fucking you know aerospace or whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he maybe he'd eventually shifted back to like warm mode eventually.
[SPEAKER_13]: I'm sure had like a human Feeling there absolutely I mean he was also went from like the feeling of having to break bad news to some to someone
[SPEAKER_13]: Like he sorts of right into like being congratulated for something.
[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's yet.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's actually.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, I'm not, I'm not that cynical on it.
[SPEAKER_15]: I think that he actually had a genuine moment of being actually happy.
[SPEAKER_15]: And didn't.
[SPEAKER_15]: And in, and in true Pete fashion was confused by it when he told Trudy is like, I don't even know why.
[SPEAKER_15]: Usually I take every opportunity to do business.
[SPEAKER_13]: Why body make boner?
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_15]: Tell me, rumbly for happy.
[SPEAKER_15]: So yeah, it's really great.
[SPEAKER_15]: I mean, you know, Mike, you've been watching, you know, got through season one and now you're in season two.
[SPEAKER_15]: So this is such a distinct change from the way Pete was in those seasons.
[SPEAKER_15]: when you complete season two and season three, you see sort of this progression, but I will say this does stand out as me being like I think I like Pete now.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's why I was very curious because I haven't seen I still need to catch up, but I was like fuck, do we?
[SPEAKER_15]: do we have we had yeah like has this moment happened that i just haven't seen yet and it's obvious then or is this like the like oh shit this is like i don't hate this motherfucker yeah as much i think it is i think it is the moment because just the way the rest of the scope even what the stuff where he's like immediately back into war mode and he's like you know shitting on uh
[SPEAKER_15]: Shitting on his father-in-law and like doming him, and even in the conversation he has with Kenny, that shows like some growth.
[SPEAKER_15]: So he goes in a Harry's office after finding out that he has to like get rid of this working relationship with his father-in-law.
[SPEAKER_15]: Kenny is, oh sorry, Harry is first of all disgusting.
[SPEAKER_15]: Just the switch between these two characters is night and day.
[SPEAKER_15]: Harry's fucking disgusting.
[SPEAKER_15]: I, it truly hate this guy.
[SPEAKER_15]: He, like, first thing he does is, you know, he's like, what does he, like, goes in and Harry is just out loud being like, I like big tits or whatever.
[SPEAKER_15]: Puerto Ricans are big ones.
[SPEAKER_15]: That when you see the nipple, I like the nipple.
[SPEAKER_13]: I like it says we're milk comes from like shot up you're like these terrible, but he does He's somehow terrible, but like nudging Pete to be a better man at the same time Yeah, in this scene for sure.
[SPEAKER_15]: He's like, you're such a piece of shit Yeah, all right, and also did you see those jokes?
[SPEAKER_15]: He's like mid-jacking off.
[SPEAKER_15]: He's like, can you be normal for a second Pete?
[SPEAKER_15]: coming out with the boys, but it's interesting because you see the sort of like the way that their different is that like Harry's inviting Pete to come out to lunch with Kenny's like look I know that you guys had your issues, but like whatever you don't work in the same office anymore who fucking cares Pete is still like competitive like sort of on principle because that's kind of just how he is he's that kind of guy Harry's like to read this is the ethnic white is teaching the
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, there's that too, but I think it's just showing that Harry is a different kind of worm like he's sneaky.
[SPEAKER_15]: He's like, no, but don't you understand?
[SPEAKER_15]: You like this naked kind of worm.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, he's a sneaky kind of worm.
[SPEAKER_15]: They're both, they'd be hit.
[SPEAKER_15]: That's not just...
[SPEAKER_15]: But he's, I think he's like, look, if you, you know, worst case scenario, you can steal a client from him, you know, is like, Harry is, Harry is also a, he's a striver.
[SPEAKER_13]: So he's like, he's, he's doing this on pizza worst impulses to make him be a better man.
[SPEAKER_15]: Right.
[SPEAKER_15]: And then it is revealed.
[SPEAKER_15]: that when they go out together and Kenny and Harry and Peter out to lunch and Harry has to leave to take a call because quote those gone of said CBS are always are screwing me again and I love his now casual use of Yiddish just whenever he can and the result is always the same.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's everyone around him going what?
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, he uses you to addition front of the two waspiest guys ever.
[SPEAKER_13]: True, they're both like true.
[SPEAKER_13]: They're like, what did you just say?
[SPEAKER_15]: I don't think you're allowed to come to the temple of the nation.
[SPEAKER_15]: Are you a person of color now?
[SPEAKER_15]: But yeah, he so he walks off.
[SPEAKER_15]: And then it's clear that Kenny and Pete have both had each other poisoned by Harry.
[SPEAKER_15]: Harry is the one who's been like he's like talking shit.
[SPEAKER_15]: He's like Because Harry was talking shit about Kenny to Pete and then when Kenny talks to Pete he's like stop talking shit about me He's like what is like Harry tells me that you've been talking shit.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's like neither of us I mean they're both talking shit, but Harry's the one he's the one shaking up the ant farm.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, I think Everybody talks shit the bad person is the one who like you know Is the one who snitches?
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_15]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_13]: The shit talking's not bad inherently.
[SPEAKER_13]: I don't think it's the snitching that's bad.
[SPEAKER_13]: I agree in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_13]: That's a good point.
[SPEAKER_13]: Everybody should talk.
[SPEAKER_04]: Everyone should come part you compartmentalize the shit talk.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_13]: You put it in and take shit talk out of context.
[SPEAKER_13]: That's unfair.
[SPEAKER_13]: That is true.
[SPEAKER_13]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, they're turned separate.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, they eventually, you know, kind of get over it.
[SPEAKER_15]: They said, oh, you know, who sucks as Harry with his Jew speak.
[SPEAKER_15]: And then, and then they just start, they start kind of like hanging out.
[SPEAKER_15]: And it's like kind of a sweet little scene here's that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's better than the can.
[SPEAKER_00]: What was that like?
[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty good to meet.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the worst agency I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_00]: The worst.
[SPEAKER_00]: My mother was a nurse at the state hospital in Vermont.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the last time I saw so many retarded people in one building.
[SPEAKER_11]: So you're getting married.
[SPEAKER_15]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_15]: I just love, you know, we really as a white people.
[SPEAKER_15]: We really have not changed much.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's still the same thing.
[SPEAKER_15]: Literally people were like, I'm glad Trump president again.
[SPEAKER_15]: Now I can say the R word.
[SPEAKER_15]: Like, doesn't that remind you of that?
[SPEAKER_15]: Like, you guess.
[SPEAKER_04]: Pretty prophetic in the beginning of this episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: The past and the future.
[SPEAKER_13]: I told you, by the way, at the beginning, that lunch begins with Harry ordering a Caesar salad.
[SPEAKER_13]: No dressing.
[SPEAKER_13]: What is that?
[SPEAKER_13]: Just kill yourself if that's that.
[SPEAKER_13]: That's your order.
[SPEAKER_13]: How was it raw lettuce and croutons my god right?
[SPEAKER_15]: I don't know about a dry man and and fucking I guess in Parmesan like what is this?
[SPEAKER_15]: When he said no Caesar I was like what it what are you eating then?
[SPEAKER_15]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, just eat chicken then Anyway, I fucking hate him.
[SPEAKER_15]: I fucking hate him.
[SPEAKER_15]: I
[SPEAKER_15]: Uh, oh my god, is that producer Brent?
[SPEAKER_15]: There is, I think it's probably a good time stop for some ads.
[SPEAKER_15]: Okay, guys, it is advertisement time.
[SPEAKER_15]: So, please stick around, listen to these ads for pawns, cold, cream, or whatever, and stick around, because we'll be right there.
[SPEAKER_15]: And we're back.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's mad yourself a man.
[SPEAKER_15]: We're here with Mike Isaac of the New York Times.
[SPEAKER_15]: How you doing Mike?
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[SPEAKER_15]: And New York Times, hey, you ever read that paper and go like, you know, it would be good a feature article about the world's best madman podcast.
[SPEAKER_15]: You ever think about that?
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I feel like you didn't buy it on podcast a lot and people have been saying that a lot of times.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I mean, okay, first of all, but they're not madmen podcast.
[SPEAKER_15]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_15]: They're not madmen podcast.
[SPEAKER_15]: We've been begging for years, okay?
[SPEAKER_15]: They've been begging only recently.
[SPEAKER_04]: That is true, actually.
[SPEAKER_04]: There are three different HBO series of this podcast.
[SPEAKER_15]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_15]: So, you know, after three, if we're not getting that feature in the arts section, then I don't know what the point is.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then you can just, like, it's not even worth it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then why even do pod?
[SPEAKER_15]: If you can't get the New York Times to be like this pod is intellectual and dark webby.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's my tech.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's how I tie it to my beat, basically.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, tie your beat by beat election.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they buy heroin with crypto.
[SPEAKER_15]: But I guess it's really funny and also they're using crypto to do crime.
[SPEAKER_15]: Back to Madman.
[SPEAKER_15]: We're talking about Madman, Peggy.
[SPEAKER_15]: Peggy meets Joyce in the elevator.
[SPEAKER_15]: Joyce is played by who?
[SPEAKER_15]: Zochemamit.
[SPEAKER_15]: Is that David of the mammoths?
[SPEAKER_15]: Of the David mammoths?
[SPEAKER_15]: David mammoths.
[SPEAKER_15]: Zocha, huh?
[SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: Anyways, she works for Liberzusha.
[SPEAKER_13]: What happened to her?
[SPEAKER_13]: Curse Zusha, who shows the Brazilian TV star?
[SPEAKER_13]: They, like, she made a children show that they tried, they, they, I think they tried for like nine months to make her a thing in the U.S. And it didn't work.
[SPEAKER_13]: Do you remember, you don't remember this?
[SPEAKER_13]: I know.
[SPEAKER_13]: I did where you're talking before you do Shia.
[SPEAKER_13]: Zusha, Zusha, Zusha.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you did that tweet.
[SPEAKER_04]: Curse Zusha, who puts magic in the air?
[SPEAKER_04]: Or whatever.
[SPEAKER_15]: Curse Zusha.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is that what the tweet is about now?
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm very curious if it was accidentally a reference to that or purpose I don't remember the curtains for Zeusha Oh, dude.
[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, you're the best sweet ever.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's uh, I'm 50.
[SPEAKER_15]: Also, everybody news looks like this.
[SPEAKER_15]: Curtains for Fursusha casemog and Batboy caught a caught flipping a grunt
[SPEAKER_15]: The Zusha is X-U-X-A.
[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_15]: Well, that's why, that's why that tweet came up.
[SPEAKER_15]: Anyways, so we meet Joyce and the elevator.
[SPEAKER_15]: She works for Life Magazine.
[SPEAKER_15]: She is gay-coded.
[SPEAKER_15]: And they will show nips on the picture.
[SPEAKER_13]: They do.
[SPEAKER_13]: And that was on AMC, but they allowed that.
[SPEAKER_13]: I paused.
[SPEAKER_13]: And I still couldn't tell.
[SPEAKER_15]: I still didn't.
[SPEAKER_15]: I guess I didn't pause.
[SPEAKER_15]: But I thought, like,
[SPEAKER_15]: There were art nipples.
[SPEAKER_15]: So I think it's allowed if it's art.
[SPEAKER_15]: Also some of the shit in this episode.
[SPEAKER_13]: They were doing the Chapel Rhone thing with the dress where you're like, wait a second.
[SPEAKER_13]: That was awesome.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: That that Chapel Rhone dress.
[SPEAKER_15]: I was just like, yeah, good for you.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, you're like Chapel Rhone.
[SPEAKER_15]: She's she needs a shaperone.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, that's that's what I said.
[SPEAKER_15]: That's what I said.
[SPEAKER_15]: So they look at naked girls together in the elevator because she's like, hey, this broad likes looking at naked chicks.
[SPEAKER_15]: Right, I should invite her to party.
[SPEAKER_15]: And she does get invited.
[SPEAKER_15]: She does get invited later to a party.
[SPEAKER_15]: And we get to see
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, we get to see Peggy cut loose.
[SPEAKER_13]: You get to see her with a new group of friends, which is really sweet Peggy tries to hang out with people that went to four-year college and she's like, I don't know if I like this.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, fair.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, but it's it's it's cute because you see like before this Peggy really is a fucking loser and like she's
[SPEAKER_15]: This is the first time where she's just like, Oh, shit.
[SPEAKER_15]: I'm a young woman in the 60s.
[SPEAKER_15]: You know, she's like smoking weed at a party, people are playing shitty art films.
[SPEAKER_13]: There's that walking around with the bears head on.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, bears head drinking a beard.
[SPEAKER_15]: Some no shirt having asked guy is just like, I only take pictures for for drugs or whatever.
[SPEAKER_15]: I would never work in advertising like everyone around her thinks that she's like the devil But also like they all want to fuck.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's like it's nice for her to feel special because she I feel like she hasn't you know and
[SPEAKER_15]: She meets Abe.
[SPEAKER_15]: For the first time, you see this guy Abe who we're going to see a lot of.
[SPEAKER_15]: This is a sausage king of New York City.
[SPEAKER_04]: I appreciate it the representation of journalist being very annoying in film and literature, especially in this one.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we are fucking annoying.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is the thing that drives me crazy about representations of journalists in our minds and we think are like super noble.
[SPEAKER_04]: We are super fucking annoying.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like that's our job a lot of the time right?
[SPEAKER_15]: It's to be annoying.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, it's like part of it and it's like there's it's hard to have any job that's public facing, especially where, you know, it's like the almost like,
[SPEAKER_15]: in advertising, people who work in advertising are annoying, but a lot of the times, although times have changed, they don't have their name on anything, so it's just like, you know, you just see the fucking the ad and they just, that's just how it is.
[SPEAKER_15]: With journalists, you know, there's more, I think there's more ego into it.
[SPEAKER_15]: There's more like, I'm going to have my
[SPEAKER_15]: and Abe is a funny character because he comes from this idealistic place we see later of course, but even in this like short segment that we have of him at one point he's hiding in the closet.
[SPEAKER_15]: So the police come and raid the party because that's a thing that happened in the 60s.
[SPEAKER_15]: There were just like, oh there's too much misogynation or whatever the crime was.
[SPEAKER_15]: They came in and they said you guys are doing counter culture.
[SPEAKER_15]: That's illegal and they're hiding in the closet, Abe and Peggy and Peggy and Abe just whispers like you know I've been arrested before
[SPEAKER_15]: I went, I went to jail once and I just like this whole thing is like so, uh, I'm pretty fuckable.
[SPEAKER_13]: I like to, so one of the stories that I didn't read from this week was just like about, uh, my am true for like, it was about like a band, my am performance where they like,
[SPEAKER_13]: They didn't say what the actual performance was.
[SPEAKER_13]: So you were just like left to try and infer like what even happened.
[SPEAKER_13]: That's what you guys suck in takes.
[SPEAKER_13]: That mine looks like he's sucking and fucking.
[SPEAKER_13]: It was just like some sort of countercultural mine performance that like, you don't, can I read the story?
[SPEAKER_13]: Let me get no, please.
[SPEAKER_13]: I need to know.
[SPEAKER_13]: Mount Tamapaya's Resilute Arts Festival folks stuck by their cultural guns yesterday and put on a show which might put them out of business.
[SPEAKER_13]: 18 law men, some bearing cameras and tape recorders, caught the San Francisco Mime troops performance of Il Candalayo, a minor Italian renaissance comedy which has become a major Bay Area controversy.
[SPEAKER_13]: uh... representatives of the state attorney general's office said they will look at and listen to the recorded performance this week to determine if the marines summer festival of the arts should be disperse from state property for sponsoring it they never tell you what's offensive and that's a great across the bridge for me i'm going to go ask some like
[SPEAKER_04]: I guess 90-year-old people, if they saw my second and fucking, like, 70 years ago.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's got to be second and fucking out.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's got to be, I mean, how do you even do, like, I mean, there's probably a way to do, like, fucking politically-based mining.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I tried to read other explainers about it, but it was like a fucking thesis about like how the diggers to use mine stuff to do counter culture and I was like, I'm, I'm border yeah, yeah, just tell me if they were sucking.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_15]: Hey, Greg, I don't care if you're lying to me.
[SPEAKER_15]: We're the second and the fucking, Greg, like, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: Thank you, Greg.
[SPEAKER_15]: They are now.
[SPEAKER_13]: Um, yeah, so that's, uh, it's nice to see you.
[SPEAKER_13]: Like this, uh, favorite clip.
[SPEAKER_13]: I think you might be wanting to see mine, suckin' fun.
[SPEAKER_15]: Did you mean moms?
[SPEAKER_15]: Sorry, sorry.
[SPEAKER_15]: So Peggy, you know, Peggy's in a different place now.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's kind of interesting to see.
[SPEAKER_15]: You know, she is, in fact, she's sitting with Joey at art the next day.
[SPEAKER_15]: You know, Joey's like a freelance artist who gets the hang there.
[SPEAKER_15]: And she's like, have you ever thought about like, you know, um, that were how we're in the 60s?
[SPEAKER_15]: And he's like, yeah, and she brings up like Malcolm X being shot and like all of a sudden like she's getting political, which is very funny.
[SPEAKER_15]: And then snaps back to reality when she sees a card for Pete and Trudy going around, and that's how it's revealed to her.
[SPEAKER_15]: that she that that Pete is going to have a baby and she does not feel great about it, but she goes in that room and says congratulations comes back and lightly bangs her head on the desk.
[SPEAKER_15]: So many great shots of Peggy.
[SPEAKER_15]: Peggy shots of Peggy in this episode are incredible.
[SPEAKER_15]: They're so good.
[SPEAKER_15]: Uh, there is.
[SPEAKER_13]: Can you imagine what her and Pete's baby would it look like?
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was Nick reminiscing.
[SPEAKER_15]: Nick was like Saturday night, Nickelodeon, whatever.
[SPEAKER_15]: Later in life, you learn about Nick, the political action.
[SPEAKER_15]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, damn, they took it from, they took it from, from Nick.
[SPEAKER_15]: wait I did not know this so you better fuck my world up is this no longer my innocent thing of Saturday night Nick what is yes Nick what is it student student's uh... uh... uh... students nonviolent coordinate yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and you know they're part of the like civil rights movements and they uh... you know according to me and my brain there were a pivotal student
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wait, so they preceded.
[SPEAKER_04]: So Nickelodeon co-opted co-opted Nick, you know what's not right right.
[SPEAKER_15]: They did chair right all over again Yeah, they did chair right the other snack
[SPEAKER_15]: Um, anyways, uh, the shots of Peggy throughout this episode are so funny.
[SPEAKER_15]: There's one during the focus group where Peggy is, I think, holding on to phase wetting ring or like, like, phase.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: Fake-aver, her wedding ring.
[SPEAKER_13]: It took off the wedding ring because Fay was doing cosplay as a regular girl.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: Regular girl.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: Regular girl.
[SPEAKER_15]: a regular guy who also needs to get a husband the boys don't ever spell my name right right and so there's a shot of Peggy holding the ring and that one point she puts it on a ring finger like it's her wedding ring and just kind of looks at it and then the shot of dawn watching it happen.
[SPEAKER_15]: So bad on in his head like nudging Freddy Rumps and oh my gosh, you have made it.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yes, because that is oh we gotta get into that But just the other shot that's so funny is when Allison is yelling at at Dawn, you know, basically breaking up with him in two ways one You know Quitting the job and the other like and also how dare you fuck me and then not be my boyfriend
[SPEAKER_15]: There's a shot of Peggy standing on top of her desk looking through like the windows at the very top of the office and just staring at it, I thought that was great.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, that was my favorite shot of that episode, the little, it's so good.
[SPEAKER_15]: Um, and just in terms of the focus group, we need to talk about like the general theme of this, which is a holdover from the previous episode where Freddie Robinson has a theory, women just want to get married, let's sell them this product by saying, uh, if you do this, you'll get married or if you don't do this, you won't get married.
[SPEAKER_15]: Those are his two ideas.
[SPEAKER_15]: either give them something to motivate them or threaten them.
[SPEAKER_15]: And Peggy is trying to say, no, women want to essentially feel empowered.
[SPEAKER_15]: Something about the routine of it is fun.
[SPEAKER_15]: Also, the idea that gives them some sort of agency over how they look.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's not just about everyone else.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's also for yourself.
[SPEAKER_15]: so they do a focus group in order to prove this point and the focus group of course hilariously goes the opposite direction.
[SPEAKER_15]: Dr. Miller shows up with that name name tag, show everyone that she's not important and you know she's doing psychology on them and she's like let's have girl talk about makeup and boyfriends, immediately everyone is crying.
[SPEAKER_15]: Which is such a, it's so funny that like Thompson Kim, how do they start crying?
[SPEAKER_15]: I had this kids hats so fast and Peggy's like, I want to listen, Peggy loves this shit.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, and Megan is, you know, kind of like the normal one there.
[SPEAKER_15]: She's like, oh, I'm, I'm French.
[SPEAKER_15]: We don't wash our faces.
[SPEAKER_06]: That was my favorite.
[SPEAKER_06]: My mother does not watch her face.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, she just dabs her face with some water and it's like, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's the first Megan intro or was he?
[SPEAKER_15]: Yes, okay.
[SPEAKER_15]: This is so the the first time we see Megan her and we've seen her once before.
[SPEAKER_15]: Have you seen her once before in which she said, you know, you've got it or something to Joan.
[SPEAKER_15]: This is the first time you ever get anything about her, where she's like explaining that her mother's of French extraction, whatever the fuck that means.
[SPEAKER_15]: And I love that like, she like explaining how her dirty French mother cleans her face barely.
[SPEAKER_15]: And sometimes she put pee pee under.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was it?
[SPEAKER_02]: She was attracted from her.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was great.
[SPEAKER_15]: Whatever it was.
[SPEAKER_15]: It was great.
[SPEAKER_15]: What I love is that.
[SPEAKER_15]: Tell me, talk.
[SPEAKER_15]: Peggy is watching this very.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, that's good.
[SPEAKER_15]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_15]: I love that Peggy is watching this.
[SPEAKER_15]: And she's immediately like, wow, she's good.
[SPEAKER_15]: She should be on madmen, like she's, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: I like when writers and casting directors like congratulate them.
[SPEAKER_13]: They congratulate themselves, yes.
[SPEAKER_15]: The straight up they did that.
[SPEAKER_13]: Well, someone says something in another character's like, wow, that was a really good speech.
[SPEAKER_13]: OK, calm down.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, well, you know you wrote both of those lines.
[SPEAKER_13]: Good for you.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: But, you know, I will say that, and this could be a function, like he can't go back in time and watch the show for the first time.
[SPEAKER_15]: Uh, so I don't know how I felt about that line at the time, but watching it now, I was genuinely like, yes, let's get some Megan in here like immediately.
[SPEAKER_15]: I was like, I do like her.
[SPEAKER_15]: I do like looking at her.
[SPEAKER_15]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_15]: Let's get her close off.
[SPEAKER_15]: I mean, find out about her.
[SPEAKER_15]: I want to find out what her background.
[SPEAKER_04]: It probably does help that she's like strikingly beautiful.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that helps a lot.
[SPEAKER_04]: It does.
[SPEAKER_04]: It works.
[SPEAKER_04]: But you're right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like it stood out for sure.
[SPEAKER_15]: It stood out and so like Peggy's line wasn't weird to me, but it is funny that she was like, wow.
[SPEAKER_15]: I hope she's in the rest of the show.
[SPEAKER_13]: Dottie starts to have this focus, but I feel like this whole thing is like, I mean, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_13]: To me, it feels like a metaphor for like the rise of the political consultant or just for the,
[SPEAKER_13]: Consulting class in general, where instead of like thinking that public opinion is a thing that you follow and not that you lead or like assuming it's like whenever They're showing polls about what people want and it's like okay, but like two a person every single person in that poll has the most Skits of friend it confused the politics in the fucking world And if you are trying to follow what they think Jesus Christ you're gonna get the car that
[SPEAKER_13]: the homer Simpson designed in the Simpson, because no one knows what they fucking want, like the whole job is to tell them what they want, what they don't know, because that's what they want.
[SPEAKER_13]: They want you to tell them, like you know.
[SPEAKER_13]: And it's perfect that.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's the same thing that we're still doing, where, you know, Dr. Fay thinks that, you know, if you just, if you just follow the research, like this is, this is bulletproof.
[SPEAKER_13]: And it's like, okay, but all of your, all of your research bullet points are based on like self-reported women crying in a, in a, in a conference room.
[SPEAKER_13]: Like, what do you, what do you, what kind of science do you think?
[SPEAKER_15]: Right.
[SPEAKER_15]: You, you literally went into a conference room filled with like, like,
[SPEAKER_15]: who are unmarried.
[SPEAKER_15]: And are like, I guess they all want to get married.
[SPEAKER_15]: That's weird.
[SPEAKER_13]: Like, like, work at an advertising table.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, what do you think you're going to get from them?
[SPEAKER_15]: And I completely agree with you.
[SPEAKER_15]: I do love the people like Fay who are, I think that,
[SPEAKER_15]: the polling data.
[SPEAKER_15]: She's a popularist.
[SPEAKER_15]: She was the first.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_15]: And she's you know what she is.
[SPEAKER_15]: She's the exact type of person who could get a poll out out to like the newspaper that said, I'm actually turns out that 85% of people love their health insurance.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, you know, it's like, you serve one purpose and it's to get the right stats for the people you work for, but you know, she's a marketing data person.
[SPEAKER_15]: That's what that's what comes with the territory.
[SPEAKER_15]: But I just, I do love everyone crying.
[SPEAKER_15]: Doddy, I don't know if we ever pick up with her ever again, but Doddy being just this like the saddest woman in the office.
[SPEAKER_15]: It was like Abby?
[SPEAKER_15]: Doddy her name is Doddy what's when what's when's the Doddy the one who is crying wasn't her name Doddy Maybe her name's Abby in real life.
[SPEAKER_15]: I looked this up hold on yeah because she says I'm Doddy a my name is Doddy But yeah, but not Doddy yeah That's right.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah Which is funny because I'm like we don't have that as an adjective anymore, but I guess I get it
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: Anyway, so she's really funny.
[SPEAKER_15]: I enjoy watching her cry and then Allison starts crying and Peggy wants to like comfort her and it ends up wonderfully backfiring.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's just immediately yelling at her which is
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know how you stand it.
[SPEAKER_08]: The way he turns on the charm one minute and then the yanks it away, couldn't even talk to him.
[SPEAKER_08]: Done.
[SPEAKER_08]: Would you stop it?
[SPEAKER_08]: I realized you must have gone through everything I've gone through.
[SPEAKER_08]: But now I know it's just, he's a drunk and they get away with murder because they forget everything.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know what you think.
[SPEAKER_09]: Forget it.
[SPEAKER_09]: Your problem is not my problem.
[SPEAKER_09]: Fine, and honestly, you should get over it.
[SPEAKER_15]: Please leave me alone.
[SPEAKER_15]: I just saw it.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's so fucked up, because she comes in being just like, oh man, you know, I'm on the outside looking in at this girl time, this girl talk stuff and like, part of me wants to, like,
[SPEAKER_15]: you know make her feel better because on the reasons you went in there and oh boy and then immediately it's just like first of all you're a piece of shit and I'm nothing like you can you shit together yeah I give away a baby to keep this job you stupid bitch like she's very mad she's just like how dare you show this much weakness in front of me
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: Um, and include me in it.
[SPEAKER_15]: Like it's yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: And then Allison, uh, I don't even think I'm weak like you.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: Uh, Allison quits the job and, uh, and does so in just spectacular fashion, mostly because Dawn,
[SPEAKER_15]: You know, Donna has a rare moment of being peat coated in that, like, he, he's not able to sus out the situation at all emotionally for some reason.
[SPEAKER_15]: Like, she is literally crying and saying, I want to quit and I know that we can never be together.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's just not comfortable.
[SPEAKER_15]: And he still says this.
[SPEAKER_15]: Here's that scene.
[SPEAKER_08]: This actually happened.
[SPEAKER_08]: we made a mistake and it's better for both of us if I move on.
[SPEAKER_08]: A friend of mine told me about a job at a magazine and I put that might be interesting, working for a woman.
[SPEAKER_08]: Anyway, I would appreciate it if you could write me a recommendation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, probably be even better as if you type up whatever you want and I'll sign it.
[SPEAKER_01]: you've been sparkling in your duties just put it on my stationary, but whatever you want on the side.
[SPEAKER_15]: shoot some right there in the office.
[SPEAKER_15]: He is dead now and that's the end of Mad Vanneau.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, she she throws like a big metal ball item, which uh, I don't know even what know what that was.
[SPEAKER_15]: You guys think it was a whatever, why don't I think it's some sort of globe.
[SPEAKER_15]: Did you like some sort of desk globe?
[SPEAKER_15]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_15]: Is that a thing?
[SPEAKER_15]: Mike, Mr. Mike, you work.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you work at a desk?
[SPEAKER_04]: spent the last like fuck I really my boss is on this spent the last four years not going into my office don't really long even before COVID existed I just didn't go in but I now have a desk that I go into in the office because they said please come in or you're fired oh well yes that's important do you have a globe on there I want a snow globe now that you said I do not have a globe I do not have a personal globe you gotta get a globe I would absolutely globe it up
[SPEAKER_13]: I feel like it's you got to get some high powered friends to put their hands on it with you Yeah, I'll take it.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's got a glow.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, you've got to put the glow and glow So yeah Peggy spying while this is happening.
[SPEAKER_13]: I think what Dawn's confusion is that he's never encountered like this new type of 60s woman who
[SPEAKER_13]: doesn't, doesn't take her sexual humiliation and just like force it deep, deep down.
[SPEAKER_15]: Right.
[SPEAKER_15]: But I mean, he's certainly dealt with women being matted him before.
[SPEAKER_15]: I mean, I think this is a rare, like, um, social fuck up.
[SPEAKER_15]: Like the fact that he immediately was just like, you know, be better.
[SPEAKER_15]: If I didn't have to think about you at all and you just write something really great.
[SPEAKER_15]: And, and here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_15]: I,
[SPEAKER_15]: That sounds like a mistake I would make.
[SPEAKER_15]: I totally see myself doing that because I go, no, it's better Because now you can write like the most glowing thing in the world, which I won't That is a real like dumbass guys Yeah, that's a classic
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, you know what you like more than I do.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, but I'll buy the card.
[SPEAKER_15]: You write some stuff on it I'm just gonna fuck it up I don't love you the way that you love me I don't mean that in a bad way Yeah, no, okay, let me get mad even when I say it'll mean it in a bad way better is what I'm saying I love you more than you love me.
[SPEAKER_13]: I think just doing
[SPEAKER_13]: Um, I like that like Peggy's full transformation into Dawn where she's like she's not only like resenting others for her weakness.
[SPEAKER_13]: Now she's like going downtown to get like a uh, a cool counterculture hippie um, love interest like her gumaro.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: Gumario.
[SPEAKER_13]: I guess we go Mario.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_15]: I love the way the episode ends.
[SPEAKER_15]: She's got a very own midge.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, it ends with like, you know, the, both of these characters, uh, Pete and Peggy, this is a Pete and Peggy episode.
[SPEAKER_13]: And well, technically it does end with Dawn.
[SPEAKER_13]: What does he write, right?
[SPEAKER_13]: He's in the hallway with the Matt Leab character going, did you bring the pants?
[SPEAKER_13]: Did you buy me the pants?
[SPEAKER_13]: You just tell me if you
[SPEAKER_15]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_15]: You get your pants, and it's got it inside.
[SPEAKER_15]: We'll discuss it inside us, so I love that, just like, I don't want to have a fight out here in the hall about your pants.
[SPEAKER_15]: We're going to have a fight, but I don't want it out loud and want it inside.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, no, but before that scene, it ends with Pete is, you know, with his people, you know, he's with his father in law, he's now rules of rules, he's in this nice suit, he's, you know, masters of the universe in it, and Peggy is being picked up by the cast of Scooby-Doo, and they're going to go on grand adventures, you know, solving mysteries with the with a big
[SPEAKER_15]: She's got her, you know, peer group and and he's got his and they're going in separate directions, but character wise, it's very interesting.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's like you see them like lock eyes.
[SPEAKER_15]: There's like this connection between them.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's sweet.
[SPEAKER_15]: They both, they're like growing together.
[SPEAKER_13]: Imagine how ugly the kids.
[SPEAKER_13]: They have to be like think about that.
[SPEAKER_13]: Are you afraid of the dark?
[SPEAKER_15]: Think about the deep sea human creature translucent calling on its belly crawling towards Bethlehem to be born and yeah, then it ends with pairs look.
[SPEAKER_15]: There's some thousand ways you can read this Paris scene and I'm interested in everything I know I come home with a good girl.
[SPEAKER_13]: She's I'm gonna be like, did you get the pairs?
[SPEAKER_13]: Did you did you buy some pairs for me?
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, I don't know what it's about other than like this whole episode is proving Freddie Rumson right everyone just wants to be married and I feel like that's what that episode is like even Dawn is like oh I wish I was married although I I don't know how you would get that from I mean the pair like that guy's getting a murder his wife if those pairs are wrong you got a killer and that's fucked up.
[SPEAKER_15]: Uh, that is the episode, uh, Do you think the rub is that without her?
[SPEAKER_13]: He would have no one to blame for his lack of pairs.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's a good thing.
[SPEAKER_13]: You like, uh, I can't believe I forgot the pairs again.
[SPEAKER_13]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_13]: He's got someone else there.
[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, like, I can't believe you.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_14]: It's you.
[SPEAKER_14]: You're the problem.
[SPEAKER_14]: It's you.
[SPEAKER_14]: Hi, you're the problem that you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Taylor, I would listen to that too.
[SPEAKER_15]: Favorite scene in least favorite scene, or something we didn't talk about, last lot, Vince?
[SPEAKER_13]: I don't have a favorite or least favorite that we didn't talk about.
[SPEAKER_13]: I just wanted to point out that those, quote unquote, Danishes that they were eating during the focus group were the most disgusting looking Danishes that it.
[SPEAKER_13]: That's the first time I've ever seen a Danish and not wanted to eat it.
[SPEAKER_13]: that was terrible.
[SPEAKER_04]: It looked too bready.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like not like goo in the two is very yeah.
[SPEAKER_13]: It looked like a giant square of like hippie bread with dates in it or some shit.
[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know what that was.
[SPEAKER_13]: Mike last thoughts.
[SPEAKER_04]: I wrote it down.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was a good podcast guest in that I had a notebook for notable things to remember.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, but mostly because my brain is too fry with weed for my health.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't like to remember anything.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're your boyfriend doesn't own your vagina.
[SPEAKER_15]: No, but he's renting his glass line for it line.
[SPEAKER_15]: I mean that that to me.
[SPEAKER_15]: I was just like
[SPEAKER_15]: You know, Peggy, that's why you get paid the big bucks, you know, that's right.
[SPEAKER_15]: Is this fucking good line?
[SPEAKER_15]: Um, if I had to give this episode a letter grade, and I do, it's a law.
[SPEAKER_15]: I give it a B plus fence.
[SPEAKER_15]: What'd you give this episode to be able to give it a logo?
[SPEAKER_13]: Definitely a solid B plus.
[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, my god.
[SPEAKER_15]: Like, what would you give this episode if you had to give it a letter grade?
[SPEAKER_04]: I quite genuinely think it's a B plus.
[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, my wow.
[SPEAKER_15]: It is a B plus episode of Mad Men.
[SPEAKER_15]: And in a plus plus plus plus episode of mad yourself a man Mike Isaac.
[SPEAKER_15]: Thank you so much for coming on and talking madman with us.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love my streak of coming on every season of this podcast.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't wait till the next one.
[SPEAKER_15]: I love it and I can't wait also.
[SPEAKER_15]: Also, I think part of the streak is me mentioning that one time I fucked a big mouth Billy Bass.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god, this is part of the street.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's part of the street.
[SPEAKER_15]: So I need to once again mention in middle school.
[SPEAKER_15]: I took it.
[SPEAKER_15]: I thought it was like, what if it was a dick-sucking robot?
[SPEAKER_15]: It has a mouth turns out it does not have a hole in there.
[SPEAKER_15]: So I ripped off the skin and I fucked this skin.
[SPEAKER_15]: All right, guys.
[SPEAKER_15]: Well, Mike, where could people find you and read your work?
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, my, my, um, straight laced, uh, boring writing is a New York Times.com and my insane stupid writing is on Twitter.com.
[SPEAKER_04]: So Mike Isaac.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, you got to check out his Twitter.
[SPEAKER_15]: He, uh, you are a great poster and also a great journalist.
[SPEAKER_15]: So everyone, please follow Mike Isaac.
[SPEAKER_15]: Thanks so much.
[SPEAKER_15]: Hey, Trion.com, it's like fuck ass, the $8 here gets you a shout out, it's not just the shout out, you got a prep school name, and that's it, you know, I kept saying, and then maybe I'll do a little thing, maybe I won't, how about that, you know, you get what you give, that's right, new radicals, I don't know what if you get, yeah, they all have the dreamers disease, I've got the dreamers disease, I've got the dreamers disease, I've got
[SPEAKER_15]: I woke up in a Mercedes-Benz, I don't know this song.
[SPEAKER_15]: Anyways, we have one, two, three, four, five names this week.
[SPEAKER_15]: Are you very excited?
[SPEAKER_13]: I did.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_13]: Five little piggies.
[SPEAKER_13]: Extra large turban.
[SPEAKER_15]: One of them is going, we all the way home.
[SPEAKER_15]: All right, and here they are, Benjamin S. Carman.
[SPEAKER_13]: car man, car man, car man, car man, car man, that's how it is, car man, car man.
[SPEAKER_13]: I think I've given, I don't, I hope I don't give him the same name again, but I'm gonna call this guy, the bus.
[SPEAKER_13]: The bus, this is good, guys, car man, not off of them all day long.
[SPEAKER_13]: No, that's an old mom joke, but I like the bus, because you know, the bacon is yellow.
[SPEAKER_15]: The bus is us, I am somebody.
[SPEAKER_15]: This is something my dad used to say.
[SPEAKER_15]: I think it was an impression of a civil rights guy Maybe a Jesse Jackson.
[SPEAKER_15]: I now I'm looking back at it and I'm realizing my dad was doing a racist thing
[SPEAKER_15]: What would he say the bus is us?
[SPEAKER_15]: I am somebody he would say that a lot and I don't know what that was in reference to but he would do it with that accent I love my dad, but he was problematic.
[SPEAKER_15]: He's still alive.
[SPEAKER_15]: He still is problematic, but he's heavily medicated All right next is Brian what worry Brian or Rick or it be
[SPEAKER_13]: We're gonna call this guy Beamer.
[SPEAKER_13]: Beamer.
[SPEAKER_13]: He's BM.
[SPEAKER_13]: He's not BM.
[SPEAKER_15]: W. Well, I'm beaming with pride over my brand new Beamer.
[SPEAKER_15]: Alright.
[SPEAKER_15]: Next is Mark Alange.
[SPEAKER_15]: Alange.
[SPEAKER_13]: A-L-L-O-N-G-E. Alange.
[SPEAKER_13]: We got to go along E to get along E.
[SPEAKER_13]: So we get a call of no fuck.
[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know what I'm a nickname.
[SPEAKER_15]: You're close.
[SPEAKER_15]: Go along you to get along you.
[SPEAKER_15]: We're calling this guy Friend, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_15]: He's here.
[SPEAKER_13]: You're saying Call on this guy the dude cuz the dude abide.
[SPEAKER_13]: He goes along to get along.
[SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, yeah, that works.
[SPEAKER_15]: I like it What's the name of the guy from
[SPEAKER_15]: Blink 182 is in his name, Mark?
[SPEAKER_15]: Good long.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, this guy's like, Mark, a long.
[SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: He's like, not for nothing.
[SPEAKER_15]: Not for nothing.
[SPEAKER_15]: Two more names.
[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, I got with three names.
[SPEAKER_15]: It's Joseph Erwin Roth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jo-Roh!
[SPEAKER_03]: We got him, Jo-Roh!
[SPEAKER_13]: Jo-Roh!
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, that's a good idea.
[SPEAKER_13]: Sometimes you don't have to overthink it.
[SPEAKER_15]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_15]: Jo-Roh, dude.
[SPEAKER_15]: I feel like Irwin got lost in there.
[SPEAKER_15]: Irwin gets a name.
[SPEAKER_15]: We call this guy, though.
[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, no, my heart is filled with venom from a stingray.
[SPEAKER_15]: See, this is why I don't do it.
[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, how did you not get that idea?
[SPEAKER_13]: I didn't that because we were talking about Joe row.
[SPEAKER_13]: We ignored the middle part, but now middle part being is Erwin.
[SPEAKER_15]: So then I did a steeper one thing last name.
[SPEAKER_15]: Oh, it's a lady.
[SPEAKER_13]: With a lady.
[SPEAKER_15]: Kirsten store strong.
[SPEAKER_13]: Kirsten again.
[SPEAKER_13]: I hope I haven't given this nickname before.
[SPEAKER_13]: But I'm going to go with a thunder sound effect.
[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, I like that quite with a K the quiet strong the quiet strong.
[SPEAKER_15]: I like it was drama Longamunding gone.
[SPEAKER_15]: Well, that is all of the names in the world If you have a name and would like an extra one shouted out to you by us Patreon.com slash fracass the $8 here gets you the shout out five dollars gets you a
[SPEAKER_15]: Freck as a gmail.com for your questions, comments, and concerns, Vince, what's a Google voice number?
[SPEAKER_15]: Four one five two seven five zero zero three zero.
[SPEAKER_13]: All right, everyone.
[SPEAKER_15]: Thanks again so much for listening and until next time, I don't think about you at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: They cries, they don't cry, they don't cry I can't get no, I can't get no Here I want you to empty We all talk in that man's world for Singin' a new play for me But how can this life is pregnant
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Joyce is gay I miss some close Everything I don't We need to make you Perfecting structure And he cries Done of cries Living fine And I cry
[SPEAKER_03]: When I'm all those boldly And now, man, once all of a sudden Be precise of S.C.D.P Roger tells him that horses do not smoke He meant the junkies I can't let go I know no, no Hey I think choices game
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't love you, I don't love you I don't love you, I don't love you I don't love you, I don't love you I think my voice really hurts for now
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to do this, I am strong, I don't need that jewellery, I don't need this, you get me idea, you get it, so I can stop, but if you think I see the end coming for Ryan to keep going,
[SPEAKER_15]: Anyone needs to use a bathroom or anything?
[SPEAKER_15]: Check in with your body.
[SPEAKER_13]: Negative, negative.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know what's funny?
[SPEAKER_04]: Every time my wife has her, like, nighttime facial routine for, like, Ponds cold cream or whatever the fuck.
[SPEAKER_04]: She says, do you need to use a bathroom?
[SPEAKER_04]: And what I do as her husband that tries to noise her is this.
[SPEAKER_04]: like I'm communing with God and I would say, do I have to piss, and sometimes it works.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, I didn't think I had to piss, and then God is like, you have to piss, so I was literally just about to do that, but then I was like, they don't know what I'm.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they don't know what you're doing and they think I'm insane.
[SPEAKER_15]: So, oh, no, he's having a seizure.