[SPEAKER_07]: Welcome to a joint lorehounds and properly Howard podcast covering a night of the 7 Kingdoms on HBO Max.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm John with me today, she'll love you or maybe hate you like a brother, Alicia.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lionel, stop being so horny.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I don't know if brother was the right relationship there.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like a true night, he always finishes a story.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's Anthony.
[SPEAKER_03]: George, I'm available.
[SPEAKER_03]: Give me a call, I finish stories.
[SPEAKER_07]: and David who wrote me this lovely line that I'm not going to be able to pronounce, David has some opinions on pro-itis and right as Annie yes, but you'll have to tune into the coverage of the pit season two to hear us thoughts oh you tease I do I'm watching the pit and I don't know what you're talking about you don't know come on for right as Annie, come on, think about it what medical diagnosis was featured in this show
[SPEAKER_07]: I'll just leave it there.
[SPEAKER_07]: Is that a giant dog disease or something?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, and he is the irritation of skin at the exit of the rectum.
[SPEAKER_07]: Ah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Ah, okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: I thought it was well-hunged disease.
[SPEAKER_02]: See, Anthony finishes his story.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Living up to his name.
[SPEAKER_03]: Always comes out at the right end.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, boy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Restore with a bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Brother, I hate that.
[UNKNOWN]: Well.
[SPEAKER_00]: today we are recapping season one episode six tomorrow this season finale and we're going to give our hot takes in the episode and then go into a scene by scene breakdown.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think this is our final episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there will be no more hot takes, but I believe Steve and Anthony are going to do a wrap up sometime in the not too distant future.
[SPEAKER_02]: But go over to properly Howard movie review.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you just catch a couple of the season, that's where we had all of our instant takes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Steve and Anthony's weekly recaps as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're about to start their new,
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[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, OK.
[SPEAKER_07]: I wasn't sure if the small folk were included in these discussions.
[SPEAKER_07]: So this is a big small folky episode.
[SPEAKER_07]: Let's get into our hot takes, Anthony.
[SPEAKER_07]: Since your connection may or may not hold up.
[SPEAKER_07]: Why don't we go to you first?
[SPEAKER_03]: Fantastic finale.
[SPEAKER_03]: I laughed several times.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was surprised at a few moments.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, my jaw kind of dropped a couple times.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, I mean, it looks like egg is murderous.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't know how else to read that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess these Targaryens are just rotten from the womb, I suppose.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, do you think it's never justified to kill someone?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it's never justified, but yeah, no, I've seen these Targaryens get up to their business many, many times.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it is my default opinion that they are murderers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I don't think he's not the same as Aryan.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to see the shades are there.
[SPEAKER_03]: These are one of those nicer murderers, I suppose.
[SPEAKER_00]: He only wants to murder.
[SPEAKER_00]: He only wants to murder his murder as a brother.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a murder and a serial liar.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a lying liar.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a lying liar.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a lying liar.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do not take egg with you dunk.
[SPEAKER_03]: He will only bring you misery.
[SPEAKER_07]: Look, are they invited to Christmas?
[SPEAKER_07]: No, thanksgiving.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_07]: You can bring them to Thanksgiving.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, any other thoughts on your hot takes happening?
[SPEAKER_03]: I love this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love this show.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't wait for more.
[SPEAKER_07]: Very cool.
[SPEAKER_07]: David, you have not been on a David you have not been on a main pod yet.
[SPEAKER_07]: Give us your thoughts.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like Anthony.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am very satisfied.
[SPEAKER_02]: I rewatched episode two through five just before six dropped.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have enough time to fit in one for a full rewatch.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like Anthony, I was times that I was just laughing and smiling and grinning ear to ear when the stakes were high.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was really even on a second watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like super invested.
[SPEAKER_02]: The casting was amazing across all the episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the both actors who play Baylor and Makeore.
[SPEAKER_02]: Duncan and Egg were perfectly cast as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really enjoyed the use of the anachronistic music in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: It works for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, I think, the show, while at the same time of as going as deepening the world and bringing us more changing our elevation,
[SPEAKER_02]: from the noble houses and the, you know, the machinations of everybody who's playing the power game, you know, bringing us down onto this more, you know, small folk level.
[SPEAKER_02]: The same time, it's breaking our sense of what this show and this property are by doing things like full-frontal nudity and, you know, pooping and puking and all of these kinds of things, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: They're
[SPEAKER_02]: There's sort of ground, and I get, for some people, it was a little agree, just like, I totally like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But for me, it sort of all goes into breaking up the crustiness of what this world is of, like, oh, you know, they've been invested in the lore and read all the books and get everything sort of lined up and who's doing what?
[SPEAKER_02]: And is this historically accurate and are they telling the story?
[SPEAKER_02]: And to me, it just sort of flips over that apple cart, so to speak, and doesn't break anything, but breaks our expectations of what this world can be.
[SPEAKER_02]: and defines itself within the world, it's going to be a funny show, it's going to have heart and soul, it's going to have stakes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just thought that the music sort of added that one last nail into the tree, so to speak, of changing altering our perception and expectations for the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I kind of wonder if this is a perfect, I only have one quibble, very minor quibble and a quibble away.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll get to open it to that scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: And otherwise, I kind of think this is a perfect season of television.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I can't wait for next season.
[SPEAKER_07]: Very cool, very cool.
[SPEAKER_07]: Alicia?
[SPEAKER_00]: yeah i thought that it was a fantastic finale you know i i noticed that some people were less keen on it than others and i feel like um book readers were more keen on it it feels like because although david you were not a book reader yet and anymore
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so because show, but I feel like, you know, because we were saying going into this like, oh, there's like two pages left in the story, what are they going to do and and I was so I was happy with what they did with that, you know, everything from that opening frame of just everything with line all just please, I don't know, fine ways to bring them back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, just all the way through, it was the right mix of humor and paythos and just feeling, you know, these, I think the characters in this show and this in the, it goes for the novellas as well, but I would say, especially comparing this show to the house of the dragon, for example, the characters feel more human.
[SPEAKER_00]: they feel more, you know, nuanced, we were just joking about Egg that he's not
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it doesn't have to be that somebody is a perfect saint and thus must die in George are martin words or that they are, you know, the devil and thus much must die in George are martin words, you can be in between and and I think egg is basically a good kid, but he also is human and that's something we need to see from the Targaryens.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a great show.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I grew with Eulisha.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's really great at humanizing not just the Targaryens, but everyone else in the world.
[SPEAKER_07]: We don't get a lot of small folk perspectives in this world, but we're often viewing basically the elites of the society.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, and, and I think the way you said, you know, you
[SPEAKER_07]: a lot of the characters in those other shows are not inhuman, but they are sort of paragons, they are kind of like...
[SPEAKER_07]: larger than life characters, whereas these are, you know, you're, you're, you're friend dunk, and you're, you're in little kid egg, they babysit, you know, and I think that's, that's really special.
[SPEAKER_07]: I also want to say to all those who called me prude with my wheel of time coverage, listen to the hot ticks that I did with David Anthony and Steve on the hog episode, because I don't,
[SPEAKER_07]: move pass those allegations of practitioners.
[SPEAKER_00]: Allegations retracted.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you going to hold my head up to the lords and make me
[SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, yeah, I think it was a great season too.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, I understand that people who are saying they might be a little, you know, underwhelmed by this episode, I wouldn't use the word disappointed.
[SPEAKER_07]: Uh, and I think it's just that like, this was maybe a nine night, a nine out of ten episode and the last two episodes were ten out of ten episodes, and it's not that it was a bad episode.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's just a in-standard game of thrones fashion, you know, classic game of thrones fashion.
[SPEAKER_07]: we had the big climax in the second to last episode and then we had an episode to like set up the next season, have everyone do some little chats.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm much safer to set us to the last one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, if I did measure these two episodes next to each other, the last episode, a few things that I've scratched my head about, I was fine with the violence.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was maybe overblown, the flashback was a little tropey, I enjoyed it, but I enjoyed this one much more, and you know what, this show is a comedy, and this finale served that purpose.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it did.
[SPEAKER_07]: I would say I felt more emotional highs and lows in the last couple episodes combined.
[SPEAKER_07]: If you treat the, if you treat episodes four and five is sort of like a mini movie or is one episode combined, I had more emotional highs and lows than I had in this episode, but I was, I had kind of just a smile across my face, the entire episode of this episode.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: There was just, you know, it was more pleasant to medium.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what are the things that we often wrestle with in our coverage of shows is the binge versus the weekly, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is a kind of show like I did for just before sex was I binged it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a very rewatchable.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm glad they did it weekly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't give me wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad that we had time to digest and think and podcast about, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because as a podcast where we have an inherent interest in having a little bit of time between episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: but when you, if you're somebody who is a casual viewer and you start to hear the buzz and then you sit down and you're like, wow, that was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna fire up the next one because that was only 34 minutes or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: When the story flows like that, this story actually should say is this story flows really well from episode to episode really quickly and for me, the episode five,
[SPEAKER_02]: when I watched it in sequence in sort of train car sequence, it worked really well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where we were all hyper fixated and we're like, oh my god, this is gonna be the battle and what's it gonna be in expectations?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think when you get away from that intensity of focus and then just let the story be, that's a little trophy, but it worked.
[SPEAKER_02]: really well and it was constructed really well and then in on reflection there's some really great elements in there, especially with dunk, being traumatized by the death of race, rave and holding that guilt and then being traumatized by the death of bail or at the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: It paired up really nicely and so I think when you package it like that, I think it flows as a
[SPEAKER_07]: That's absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_07]: I actually, I am very much always on the side of like, do it weekly, but this one really does work well.
[SPEAKER_07]: As a binge, it does feel more like a movie.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I know you guys were talking about this on the instant take, so I don't want to take up too much time with it.
[SPEAKER_07]: But I did expect, don't get one point to be asked, do you want to talk about it?
[SPEAKER_07]: You can go, no, I don't think I will.
[SPEAKER_07]: It was that kind of moment from a minute or second game.
[SPEAKER_07]: All right, let's go right into the episode
[SPEAKER_07]: But the battered Lionel Baratheon invites Dunk to stand with him in the coming wars promising to treat him like brother.
[SPEAKER_07]: After his maister does a horrendous job of treating Dunk's wounds, Dunk leaves to attend Baylor's funeral, Baylor's son Balar, Lament his father's death and asks why the gods took him instead of Dunk.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had some questions.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's start with your questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: There were questions on the discord about, I mean, it's difficult for people forgot who that Valar was, which is fair, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they gave us some visual cues like the actor really does have heterocromia, so that's why they gave it to Baylor, also.
[SPEAKER_00]: but they also put in Valor's hair like the little streak of white, but just for anyone who's confused Valor, yeah, Baylor's son, not eggs, brother.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's eggs cousin.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: There were at least four or five Easter eggs in the Brathion Saliliqui.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we I can't go through all of them because some of them will be spoilers, but I just noted a few and I really appreciate it a few, you know, I'll love you and hate you like a brother.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is absolutely a call back to the brathian brothers who don't get along in a game of thrones.
[SPEAKER_03]: These brathians do sometimes hate their brothers.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so you can kind of see the vets in the family.
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, I just absolutely, I mean, is Robert's rebellion just because it's dull at Storm's End?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that why the entire school's happened?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, these braffian boys just can't stay home with just two damn boring.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, so I mean, there's just a lot, man, there's just a lot in that little, um, I mean, for the most apart, I was laughing to the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't until the second watch, you know, you know, have you ever been to, have you ever been to the tariff, you know, that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And little little things like that that got.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that was, it was a really nice little, I don't know, um, inclusive on his character arc.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if we're going to see him again.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope we
[SPEAKER_03]: definitely a shining star in this conversation and maybe Lionel will be Brienne's grandmother.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was just going to tag on to that we really get a breathy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you said this on the insectic entity that, you know, we get a sense of the breathy and the attitudes towards the Targaryens and we get a little bit of, you know, again,
[SPEAKER_02]: It's connected to the world, but if you didn't know this, it wouldn't matter at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just the sentiment that I'd only good dragon is a dead dragon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that you did the realm of favor and for me, part of...
[SPEAKER_02]: what this whole scene does to, is it starts to upend, oh, well, what's going to happen to dunk or people are going to be pissed off or they're going to, are the Targaryens going to chase him out of out of town, you know, is he going to be sort of exiled, you know, is he going to be anointed and teinted as, as, what's his name once said, and it does
[SPEAKER_02]: don't actually getting a pretty sweet offer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Lionel's going to set him up like it's multiple sweet offers here.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_07]: The hottest candidate on the nightly job in the job market.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a two-year-old.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's what, that's the thing that keeps grounding, don't you know why, because Dunk is pure of heart.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is pure of soul and would people realize that they're like, oh, well, you're not being dupluses.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not being manipulative, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're, and we get a great,
[SPEAKER_02]: contrast of that when the the master of the list is like look if you kind of do this thing then you're going to make out really well and don't just like that that would never enter my consciousness.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think there is a an opportunity though that people see dunk is an opportunity in some ways to like point him in the right direction and you know like okay yeah he's really
[SPEAKER_00]: I can fix him here.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Not even I could fix him, but like, all right, look at this long.
[SPEAKER_07]: Let me.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll to add to everybody's willing to train him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, hey, you need more training, bro.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we need to up your game here.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's good steel.
[SPEAKER_07]: He just needs a blacksmith.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see what you did.
[SPEAKER_07]: Ah, steely pates here to stay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_07]: So David, you have a needle drop section here.
[SPEAKER_07]: Can you tell us about the song?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was just curious about the music, because the, I mean, that opening with Lionel and the maester staring down in him is just comedy gold, it like sets the tone.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you get the muted trumpet, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is kind of the wall wall sound.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a drum bone, but it's a trumpet.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think a lot of people missed the opening song because of the scene, you know, and what was going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then obviously we'll talk about the 16 ton at the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was just curious about the song.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a song called Alone Together, and it's played by Kenny Dorham, who is a Texas trumpeter, who is a real active B-bot player.
[SPEAKER_02]: And quite a name in the jazz circle, like people who know jazz would know him, I would assume, he lived in 1924 to 1972.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this song was originally written for a 1932 Broadway musical called Flying Colors by Arthur Swartz and Howard Deets and it was a pretty popular musical.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was kind of like a...
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... uh... uh... what do you call it a uh... variety show there's a bunch of different acts and different music that was all kind of built into a story and then the song that's where the song was first and then it became popular and uh... later in the thirties and then uh... canny dorm recorded it on his nineteen fifty nine album called quiet canny and uh... it's uh... a song that's actually recognized for his sort of soulful playing
[SPEAKER_02]: sort of these, I'm not a music critic, critique criticism person, so it's hard to try to find my words.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, the style of playing and how he performs the song are really indicative of his qualities.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so the song alone together, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of ways that you could apply that to dunk, dunk being alone with his feelings, but still together and spear it with egg.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's bound to these ideals of nighthood, but he's alone as a person, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's all these things of a loneliness and togetherness at the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just felt it was a brilliant choice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, to break our expectations about what the show is relative to the IP, but then also just to give us the mood that dunks feeling, laying there next to his broken shield, his ideas of himself and of nighthoder as broken as the shield is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the music gave us that interiority that good music does in a show.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_07]: very cool.
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, the, I really like what you say, and it almost reminds me of the end where Sir Arlin is walking alongside them.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, the spirit of Sir Arlin is with them.
[SPEAKER_07]: Uh, don't dunk wasn't alone.
[SPEAKER_07]: He was, he was alone together with Sir Arlin's memory.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was controversial in the discord.
[SPEAKER_00]: I liked it for not everyone did.
[SPEAKER_07]: I like to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't at least maybe you could, you have an insight on this question, when Baylor Sonnener, I apologize, I forget his name, Valor.
[SPEAKER_07]: Valor is Valor.
[SPEAKER_07]: Valor is Valor?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_07]: But you always make me want to save Valor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I just save Valor because clearly that they're just using that word and spelled it funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, how many fathers die in their son's armor, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And so the idea that a father would pass down a suit of armor is not a cheap thing, you know, and it could be a family heirloom and all these kinds of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: So was Baylor wearing Valar's armor?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, he was.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think they actually set that in the book.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they did, they did shout it out, I think, at the beginning of the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Laura said that, but no, I mean, like, before the trial of the seven.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, did they, I didn't notice that.
[SPEAKER_07]: I thought that they didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe, maybe they didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only place I can think of it is when, um, when, Arian rides up and he says, like, oh, I won't embarrass you today cousin.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I noticed that he had that helmet.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought, oh, look, he's got a helmet like his dad's.
[SPEAKER_07]: right and it turns out and so maybe he showed up to the turning without armor because he wasn't expecting to to fight that's exactly right is he was not he was not going to be fighting in this turning he this is how it's explained in the box at least he was not going to be fitting in the turning he saw that dunk needed help he goes I got a fight who's armor can I grab I got my sons here let me just put that on and a lot of people think you know that the reason and this is fan now the reason that it didn't protect him from the mace was that
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it works really nicely as a device because we have make-or and egg.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have Dunk who is fatherless, but you know, Sir Arlin treated him so there's a whole father-son sort of connectivity and this idea that, yeah, how many fathers die in their sons armor and that kind of
[SPEAKER_02]: bitter, you know, I don't want to say bitter sweet isn't the right word, but that poignant truce about the world and in this circumstance.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was really good.
[SPEAKER_07]: I guess I guess the cat Stevens licensing fee was a little too high for this episode, but that would have been good.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that would have been good, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what do we think, by the way, of the jazz opening, the controversial jazz opening, and the, well, we'll get to the closing.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, we kind of talked about it, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: With David's David's deep dive with the needle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, with that, that was the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the, yeah, do you think there's a, because some people were less bothered by the jazz opening?
[SPEAKER_00]: Then, yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I'm, I'm curious.
[SPEAKER_02]: I liked all of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you, did it work for you, Alicia?
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really bothered by stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's also like, okay, so you've seen Marty Supreme now, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I have.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not way through Hamden it, and then I'm done with my picture.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need my alternate, and I'm going to have to ask you, I need to get on the discord and ask because I want to see some of the alternates because I do have some bones to pick about what got on the best picture list this year, but
[SPEAKER_00]: No other choice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, but Marty Supreme is a movie set in the 50s with music from the 80s and I kind of like that I'm we're gonna get Mark's opinion on that in a future episode and for yeah, it just it doesn't bother me when they use an Acronistic music because it's not like it's playing in that universe.
[UNKNOWN]: Great
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not diagetic, it's just the sound track.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's moved for us, it's a story already for us.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Alien Earth did that with all the incredible music this last season.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's kind of a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And nobody can play in the bass.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was my joke.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But a lot of people are comparing this show to a nice tale, which is fantastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Heath Ledger movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: they use anachronistic music and it's just you know it's just part of the vibes and I think it's just people have trouble letting this be a different tone than the other game of their own stuff.
[SPEAKER_07]: Do you know what I actually want to compare it to?
[SPEAKER_07]: Is Strec?
[SPEAKER_07]: I want to say that this is the Shrek to Disney.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, how Shrek is to Disney, this is to give him the ruins, like it's taking the familiar tropes and turning them on their heads for some humor, for some dice, section of the tropes.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think that there is something there.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's something that is Shreky about this.
[SPEAKER_07]: And Shreky does, I don't give a damn about my reputation in the middle of a jail, straight, or in the middle of a attorney.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, yeah, same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I think that it's nice that it's also at the same time a show that grapples with nuanced questions like, is was Baylor a fraud for going up against the other white cloaks who can't attack him.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, was that we see him as the moral man who remembered to Ireland, but should we be questioning whether he has some shades in his gray.
[SPEAKER_02]: has a go at dunk for saying, I fought for you, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Foss away, fought for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Beesbury fought for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: How dare you know you're all moopy and sad about, you know, bail or, but what about the rest of us?
[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't be, you know, Beesbury died, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and who's the other, I forget the other guy?
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't come phrase it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm free, yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, come on, dunk, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Harding, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Harding does screw you for, for discounting what we, we had real stakes, unlike Dale R. as he says, who had a, who had a, a cloak of protection, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's a good point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's the one who least should have died, but.
[SPEAKER_02]: right in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, there's also I think people get the sense of like, okay, there's all this injustice in this tourney in this world, but people are just crying over the prints.
[SPEAKER_07]: And nobody actually cares about that the bees bury die.
[SPEAKER_07]: Harding stuff.
[SPEAKER_07]: You all right, I mean, like all these are not harding didn't die.
[SPEAKER_07]: The the two you're going to be.
[SPEAKER_07]: The two Humphrey's died and nobody cares because because Baylor died, you know, the Humphrey Funeral is down the road You know, don't pass the last rock on the road and here we have the big pire for Baylor and everyone You know, weeping their tears and all the lords and attendance It's just a different treatment and that's probably very frustrating for
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, Lionel is a Lord Paramount.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I wanted to get into this for the Anthony.
[SPEAKER_07]: We, if you haven't noticed Anthony hadn't spoken in a while, he's left the podcast, because his connection was bad.
[SPEAKER_07]: So he's going to be asked for the rest of the pod, but, you know, the Baratheans, and I know you talked about this something to you take with him, David.
[SPEAKER_07]: The Baratheans are, I think, correct me from wrong, but they're the last like other major house, major house, that comes from some Valerian stock.
[SPEAKER_07]: And so now that the Targaryens don't have dragons, they're kind of like, hey, what's the difference between it?
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, what is your claim to this land beyond what we have?
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, if you're going to say you're these magical beings from Valeria, I don't know kind of so are we and actually we're of the blood of the old and the new blood, you know, of end of the current land.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I you can see the pot simmering in the, in the,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I hope that they get to do all the seasons and go through as they hope to, uh, you know, full adulthood for Duncan Egg, because then there's some, I mean, we, yeah, maybe I shouldn't say that.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are interesting things that happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, watch and find out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Waffle, we haven't used that in a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: Waffle, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Waffle.
[SPEAKER_07]: It looks like I just looked it up.
[SPEAKER_07]: Why don't I was actually the great-brand father of Robert, who becomes king, and I wanted to be like, oh, it was Robert listening to grandpa stories of like, fuck the Targaryens, but no, apparently, I don't think you would have known him.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also who's the great-grandmother of the great-grandfather on the other side?
[SPEAKER_07]: Don't tell me we've determined it's a spoiler.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, all right, well, let's take a quick break and then we'll get back and continue this episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, Raymond Fassaway finds Duncan Eizes his guilt.
[SPEAKER_07]: Dunk sees that Stefan left Raymond with a small tent after the latter fought for Dunk.
[SPEAKER_07]: as the night's news about sigils.
[SPEAKER_07]: Outcomes Rowan, the new and very pregnant wife of Ceraman.
[SPEAKER_07]: Dunk is called to talk with Prince Maker.
[SPEAKER_07]: Hey, I had no idea that, you know, there was some red hair in the Fossaway line.
[SPEAKER_07]: Did you, Alicia?
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, it's going to, I mean, it's in communion.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's born to the, uh, not the red apple side with a green apple side.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was also when she showed up, it was like, she's not just a little bit pregnant.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like six months, like, or at least five.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was definitely fully showing and yeah, Duncan is just like looking at her and he's like she said I got pregnant and dunks like oh wow I found someone who's even more of a lung than I I thought it was like wow don't actually got I've been kind of got one Had he's once the head of somebody for once
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Raymond's real sweet appreciate him so much, and he seemed happy, you know, it's like, just, okay, let him be happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, it seemed, it seemed genuine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Still how long was the, the time delay here, because obviously dunks, wounds are killed pretty well, relatively speaking.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's, it's, it's had, it's been months, I guess?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think it's the day after.
[SPEAKER_02]: It can't be, but she's... How... Everyone is still wounded.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know, but I thought it...
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just confused at the delay time.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, she's not pregnant with Fasa Ways Kid.
[SPEAKER_07]: She's pregnant from... She was the... She's... Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got David.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe I was what I... Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm there with Duncan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, don't just got one on me.
[SPEAKER_06]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so now me it all makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the joke David.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is the joke.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was also the way they dressed her up until then.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess we only saw her sitting in the stance, but you could not tell that she was pregnant at all until this moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's like, oh, I'm married as of last night, so show the belly.
[SPEAKER_02]: because in episode one, she was just sitting there as well with her compatriot, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: They were just sitting next to their tents.
[SPEAKER_02]: They weren't.
[SPEAKER_02]: She wasn't out of the walking room.
[SPEAKER_00]: We saw her standing at the one point when she was dressing the one woman up to look like she was dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: which would so a sure fair fair fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: Super creepy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that was doing that TV thing where they're always holding objects in front of them.
[SPEAKER_07]: So you can't see that the actor is pregnant.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's upset up so I thought that's funny.
[SPEAKER_07]: Now, people were saying that she could be the mother as far as the blessings go for the seven.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think this solidifies that theory.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_07]: she is the mother and Ellie she you were saying that everyone on the discord was calling her mother so I guess that's fitting Jessica poor your internet points bold.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes exactly Jessica gets all the internet points As long as we don't give her the piss pot that Rowan was pouring out so a lot of scatological humor in this is that what that was I didn't realize that that's what that was exactly
[SPEAKER_00]: She's pregnant.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So far away, beat, far away.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Raymond beat his cousin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because that's what he says.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, the seven beat, the other seven, that's, you know, you know, I think that's all we're relying on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: not that it was a who did he fight because i think some probably is cousin somebody out there or or daren because then daren was would have been like uh you know tink tink you know and and not really getting all of it but although he had a big scar on his face so maybe that was during the jowest he got a wood shard or something bad
[SPEAKER_02]: I think somebody said that there's some YouTube video where some guy does like a really intense breakdown and actually maps out the whole fight.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm sure somebody can post that on the discord or something.
[SPEAKER_07]: So David, when you hug people, how long is too long?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I got to get in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really like to, you know, really feel, feel their heartbeat, feel the warmth of their body.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you a homeless girl?
[SPEAKER_02]: A shoulder, shoulder, shoulder.
[SPEAKER_00]: A scale of one to Raymond.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: New Raymond.
[SPEAKER_02]: New scale, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Raymond hug.
[SPEAKER_07]: I love how dunk just keeps moving his hands that eventually just like, okay, I have to actually be explicit here because you're not going to stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: And everybody's just watching them.
[SPEAKER_02]: It means like, oh, this is really awkward But he did offer the hug right didn't didn't donk initiate the hug I believe yeah, yeah, I guess but I think it's Raymond was just didn't want to let go Nobody wants to let donk go
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love this idea that Dunk has at least two friends out in the world, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: The fossil ways and the bratians where he could show up to their castle at some time and it's going to be, you know, Oh my god, I can't see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's been so long.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just like that Dunk has friends in the world like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And especially somebody like Raymond who is just so who's also just genuine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's more worldly.
[SPEAKER_02]: It may be a little bit more jaded, but he's also just sort of genuine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, there's a lot of negatives that come out of this tournament for for the realm.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, we have the kindly Prince kill of heir to the throne killed.
[SPEAKER_07]: But for Dunk, honestly, this is like mostly best case scenario because you know that if Dunk can actually fought on this tournament.
[SPEAKER_07]: He would have lost his armor.
[SPEAKER_07]: He would have been embarrassed.
[SPEAKER_07]: But here, you have just don't keep all his stuff.
[SPEAKER_07]: He even gets his other horse offered back to him, though he gives him a re-homesum in re-homesum.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: But he gets three off tires.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, he could go with, you go with Raymond, if you want some sure, he could go to Summer Hall with Macar.
[SPEAKER_07]: He could go to Storm's End and Tarth with Lionel.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, this guy just a best case scenario, personally.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure Steely Pete would do, you know, happy, be happy to have him around as well, you know, that's Steely, take to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: What did I say?
[SPEAKER_07]: He said Steely Pete.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I could have been his name.
[SPEAKER_07]: I could be, I could have been his name.
[SPEAKER_02]: As long as he's not Steely Dan, that's taking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, obviously, probably not all of, uh, readers of, uh, naked lunch around here.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, so we've got our green apples.
[SPEAKER_07]: We've got our red apples, but let's go back to the dragons.
[SPEAKER_07]: Prince Mekar in his chambers, it commiserates with Dunk about the whispers they'll each hear for the rest of their lives.
[SPEAKER_07]: Dunk wonders if his hand or foot will be needed for the realm on the maro, even more than the king's life, but Mekar thinks that's unlikely.
[SPEAKER_07]: The Prince offers to take Dunk on as a sworn knight and allow him to finish his training while Egg while training Egg himself, as Egg will serve no other night but Dunk.
[SPEAKER_07]: Dunk tells, make her, he's done with princes leading to an awkward moment between him and his one-time squire.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say unlikely things do happen, but that was cold of dunk to say to make our will maybe actually my foot is more important than your brother, the future king.
[SPEAKER_07]: That was pretty cold.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if that's, if that was the right thing to say, maybe time and police
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, it's a question of the survival of his guilt of being the survivor and obviously a guy who is not only a Lord, but a really good guy who really cares about the realm and really cares about the people of realm and seem like a good hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, he's carrying a lot of guilt.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he's just trying to find a way to figure it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_07]: you also have like bailer was going to be king right and and like make our says like whenever something bad happens people are just going to say bailer wouldn't let this happen it's it's almost like an RFK thing RFK the first you know that that was the thing where like every time I'm not getting political and like a change of the merits of this
[SPEAKER_07]: But every time, well, I would say, I'm sorry about RFK because it was assassinated well, he was just about to win the primary, right, for the Democrats.
[SPEAKER_07]: And every time the Democrats did poorly after that, everyone was like, well, RFK, we're here.
[SPEAKER_07]: It would have been fine.
[SPEAKER_07]: So anyway, I just think it's a good, it's an apt comparison here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not to compare mom Donnie to JFK.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the idea that everything is somebody's fault, they're doing that now with the New York City mayor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, the snow, it's comred, mom ready.
[SPEAKER_02]: Taking over, it's really funny to watch the reddits because people are just now making a really, very funny ongoing joke about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, let's take a look at what I understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome too.
[SPEAKER_00]: It ties into rape before we did this recording ever recorded for the Oscar's Docs episode and we were talking about a couple of documentaries that are about someone who comes into power and with broad support and then everyone starts blaming them for everything, you know, it's just a matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there was a movie was it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody will remember, oh, it was the was it the sodaberg one that had all the interlocking story lines with Michael Douglas.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, he's becoming the drugs are for the president and the guy who had it before him.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, oh, yeah, here's this old political story.
[SPEAKER_00]: I always want to say crash, but it's not crash, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not crash.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and anyway, the advice, you know, the, the, the politicians advice to the next incoming politician was sit down and write to letters and the first letter, you know, blame everything on the guy before you and in the second letter, it's your resignation.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, because, yeah, the, the cycle of political,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's the it's the Moses syndrome, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You can get people there, but you can't you can't go through anyway.
[SPEAKER_07]: We all have to get there where I was going with the the Prince make our stuff is think about the change of pressure on this guy as he says the king is old right.
[SPEAKER_07]: And Baylor was clearly reading himself take on the throne.
[SPEAKER_07]: He was going in the king's place to the throne.
[SPEAKER_07]: He didn't even break his armor because he wasn't intending to compete.
[SPEAKER_07]: Because the king's really not supposed to compete in these things, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: This is the supposed to preside.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's why when Robert in the original game of throne tries to
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, it tries to put on his armor and he doesn't fit and he goes Bows your shits But that that everyone's like this is unprofessional dude.
[SPEAKER_07]: You can't do this like let's let's just cool down a minute He's clearly trying to create that kingly image and now make car and and to be clear So the make car's whole line is gonna get bypassed with the throne right now.
[SPEAKER_07]: Make car's line is the throne Make car is now in line for the throne and so is
[SPEAKER_07]: area as his, his air.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: And he now sees, oh my God, I have a line of horrible people here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that makes that adds some spin on the line of last sun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hadn't thought about that aspect of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think about he, yeah, he is now his line is now in
[SPEAKER_07]: And then I'm sorry, I'm just gonna correct myself.
[SPEAKER_07]: Darren is older than Aaron, which is insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: If the Darren is definitely not interested in it, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: No, no, he could abdicate.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the third he's the nerd.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was sent away to be nerdy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like the Samuel Tarlie of his family.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Darren's the one that they sent to the maesters, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, Eman is- Eman, sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh, Darren's the- Sorry, Darren's the dreamer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's come on George?
[SPEAKER_00]: Geez.
[SPEAKER_07]: Amen is you can remember because he's John Snow's little guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's he's at the wall is that that same.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Amen.
[SPEAKER_07]: That makes it even is eggs brother.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why he at the in the game of thrones.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, um, yeah, he calls out for his brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I I generally do that the show can sit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And do all of this just surface level stuff and everybody can enjoy it and then yet for, you know, if you want to dig down underneath the surface, it's all connected and connected well, right, they've they actually thought through the stuff so I love that, probably.
[SPEAKER_07]: So he's got sun issues, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: Like that's the problem here is we've got all these, he's like, I got all these suns, I got one sun left to not be a total asshole.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you want me to send him out and to go live in a ditch.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right, with a guy that I don't know, do you want me to let you essentially raise him?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, he's a lot more skeptical in the show than in the book about this and I think that's fair to be honest.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, like I too would be skeptical of like I just met this guy, yeah, maybe, you know, maybe he considers maybe Aegon should, you know, maybe I force him to squire for somebody else, but I, you know, maybe he wouldn't be raised best in my house.
[SPEAKER_07]: I apparently screwed up the rest of my kids, but I, I, I dunk, who is this guy?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like, and make or didn't really put the screws to him, he could have used a little bit more of his Targaryen muscle to say, no, you're not going on the road, you are, you know, you're coming back to summer hall with period.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think Dunk would have had much of an option to say no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fudely how that would work.
[SPEAKER_07]: I will say.
[SPEAKER_07]: I.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, no, I think I think he's exactly what I've had the option to say no.
[SPEAKER_07]: He got us one night.
[SPEAKER_07]: But what I think we don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's another way to look at that.
[SPEAKER_07]: But what I think is adding to sort of the sobriety of the moment is this trial of seven.
[SPEAKER_07]: Everyone is like, oh,
[SPEAKER_07]: ruled in favor of this guy like I do think that there is a level of respect that was earned yeah for now uh where people are not going to want to like I remember David last episode you were like he's going to have to be on the run yeah and yeah and and I think it's the really the the seriousness around the trails seven the the serious loss the guilt that make our feeling all of these emotions and this sort of big religious moment that protect
[SPEAKER_07]: Let's not go work against this guy right now.
[SPEAKER_07]: Maybe we just call it, call it a day with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not a lot of love loss for Aryan, and he beat Aryan Farence Square.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yum.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, this is also, you have to wonder obviously Baylor was concerned with the Targaryen image, but how much does make our understand that actually these events might have helped, buoy some supports, the fact that Baylor died protecting this night.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... might be some more support for their house and seeing the one that they don't like put in its place that makes them feel like oh see we don't have to rebel against them because they will take care of their own that's a good insight to because then uh... area and gets sent east he gets the boom right and so that even uh... adds to the sense of justice was done
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, no, I think that's really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hadn't thought about the seven or the political impacts of those and that's I think both really is yeah that's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can can I say something on related real quick when I was distracted earlier when you guys are talking about which brother, which I had to look it up David, is it traffic you were talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it was traffic.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was it's in my brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for looking it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was traffic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not crash.
[SPEAKER_07]: Let's answer some more questions.
[SPEAKER_07]: David, what answers does your tree give you?
[SPEAKER_02]: the tree see all man the trees see all and then brand comes in to a cutscene and go Exactly, Rayman.
[SPEAKER_07]: I saw you and your row and last night you looked beautiful in your gown, Rayman
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... what i call it one thing on uh... set up couple of things in the scene these this group of scenes actually one is that make our sitting in the same place as his brother is but the fire is out the light is colds you know things are dead as a before they were warm and alive and light so just nice visual storing deli jettling there
[SPEAKER_02]: and then there's a part where makers talking to them and dunk has the light from the window streaming behind him so he's a little bit silhouette and then there's a great little jump cut where and they do this all season long they do a lot of modern editing techniques which again gives the show a little bit of a snap and a little bit of energy to it and dunk standing at the base of the stairs but then we jump cut to them sitting next to each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: So just a calling out to just calling out some of the things that they're doing visually to tell story, which is really nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other thing about this too, besides the fact that they're both lying liars, because you know, he says, were you spying?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, right, and he knows he's lying like they all people know that they're lying.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, big bullshit to checkers there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just love the whole idea of make our offering him to come get training.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, Luke, you haven't finished your training.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come back, you know, and that's what we really would jump into.
[SPEAKER_07]: I have to say, I really do agree with make our here.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, don't get clearly is not in a position to be on his own right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Seriously.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think if he swore to him and he, you know, at least worked with him for a few years until egg comes of age.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but here's the question.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, which situation do you think would turn sour for dunk faster?
[SPEAKER_00]: Summer Hall with Maker or Storms End with Lionel?
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say Storms End.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking about this before.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just not a party guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: How long he could keep Lionel entertained and excited?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lionel seems more curial, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you're not fooling him, his game, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Then it might get a little boring.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or at least it's summer haul, he would be duty bound, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: There would be training to do and sort of things that, you know, there would be a regular, so that's my opinion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's just because they make our he seems he's not cruel as it might come across it for us like you might think he's cruel because his son is cruel but at the end of the day he's he's cold it's he's not uncaring just cold I think there's a good insight it plays it well just like old-munch
[SPEAKER_02]: it's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the coldness of the room when he walks in without the fire lit because daytime obviously, but yeah, I think you're right, it's a coldness, not a cruelty.
[SPEAKER_02]: And egg wouldn't have leaned, you know, we'll get to that scene later, but I don't think egg would have responded the same way when he is caught about to murder his brother if he had been cruel, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there is a genuine love and affection there like he is it he's
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he was worried about his father and his brother in the fight, just not Aryan.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I say, you know, when Anthony was saying earlier, you know, that ex-a little murderer, I'm like, but it's literally just Aryan, he just hates this one person who tormented him his entire life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is interesting that we find out later that Aryan was a happy child at some point and then something turned for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that's laying some brown work for future storytelling or but it was an interesting open question.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there was an addition.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't recall that characterization but I don't mind it but then yeah, I begs the question like well what happened then?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it just growing up in the Targaryen household?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, with Pat with all the power and money and no consequences and no friction in life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so how do you, how are your, you are there, become crew, become a drunk or go off to study in Old Town.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: You go around the way with the head tonight.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to, yeah, and you want that challenge of life.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want that friction in life.
[SPEAKER_02]: We talked a little bit about that in Plurbis.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if there's no friction, then where's growth, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Where do you,
[SPEAKER_07]: I have to correct myself, big correction.
[SPEAKER_07]: MakeR is not next now.
[SPEAKER_07]: There are two other sons in the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: So egg is a fourth son of a fourth son.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's why he's like so far from the throne.
[SPEAKER_07]: OK. Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: So makeR is closer.
[SPEAKER_07]: than he was.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody use the unsend option on your email.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we're getting feedback.
[SPEAKER_07]: Please send us more feedback, but yeah, maybe I should be more wrong, more often.
[SPEAKER_07]: I just, there was something, I was like, wait a minute, and there were more people in the way.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then I remember, yeah, there are, and I looked it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, maybe I've already sent the emails and we'll just have an abundance of comments for Steven Anthony to reply to on the next in line right now is Eris.
[SPEAKER_07]: So he is the next in line.
[SPEAKER_07]: That is, make ours older brother.
[SPEAKER_07]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_07]: But anyway, we think about second sons was a big topic.
[SPEAKER_07]: It didn't house of the dragon, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: When they're a whole episode, called Second Sons.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think right, well, it's a name of a unit of soldiers, yeah, because I guess if you're a second son, you become a mercenary.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, that's, but that's the question is like, you know, he's second son, now we got the fourth sons, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: We got the fourth son of a fourth son, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: going to inherit the title.
[SPEAKER_07]: What is your identity?
[SPEAKER_02]: So you have this interesting built-in dynamic tension within feudal and royal families because your healthcare isn't great and people die from all kinds of natural causes, intentional causes, flying around a dragons or
[SPEAKER_02]: And so you need to have a deep bench so that there's a line of succession, but then that also at the same time creates a lot of friction and tension because if you're the fourth son of a fourth son, right, what do you, what do you got going for you if you're not gonna be king, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or a second son who's jealous of the first son, et cetera, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_07]: Alright, well, let's get into the flashback.
[SPEAKER_07]: A Dying Sir Arlin tells Dunk one of his recurring stories.
[SPEAKER_07]: I should say, what appears to be a Dying Sir Arlin.
[SPEAKER_07]: Uh, tell us Dunk one of his recurring stories about knights, nailing a petty to a tree before a battle and returning to it if they can.
[SPEAKER_07]: Dunk asks the night why he never knighted him, but Arlin appears to die and leaves Dunk in tears.
[SPEAKER_07]: Arlin wakes up and says a true night always finishes a story.
[SPEAKER_07]: So is this just a big F. You think I think I think it might be George never finishes a story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I mean he wrote that.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_07]: Did he?
[SPEAKER_07]: That's not in the book.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't think.
[SPEAKER_00]: The night always finishes his story.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, I think that's a show creation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: We're about to get a not a blog post on this.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's like a mile.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think George R. Martin is happy with this season, and I can see why, because for the same reasons that I'm happier with this show is an adaptation than with House of the Dragon.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, do we think is the big question, of course?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do we think that Sir Arlin quickly snapped to a nighted dunk?
[SPEAKER_00]: They left just the tiniest sliver of ambiguity there.
[SPEAKER_07]: They did, but I really got it.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think that was the show telling us, like, we're never gonna tell you the truth.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, we are heavily hinting that Dunk was never knighted.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do like the fact Nancy, two kids do our hand to the pod had sent in a voicemail early on in the season to Steven Anthony about her theory that why Dunk never was knighted up until, you know, the point of surl and dying, and obviously the open question mark, but that if, you know, Dunk is asking him, do you think I would have run off once I became a knight?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that was Dunk, our Nancy's theory was,
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a worry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was as one of his worries that if I did night him, I wouldn't have anybody I wouldn't have a companion.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't have anybody to take care of me on my side when I get way too sick.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm dying in all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I agree about the ambiguity and I for one am happy to have the ambiguity because I think it adds the right amount of tension.
[SPEAKER_02]: into the mix for the storyline, and they may keep teasing and hinting at it, and then someday we'll get some definitive reveal, and then that'll be another nice big inflection point for the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I for one, I'm happy with the ambiguity.
[SPEAKER_07]: It is ambiguous in the book too, although they draw a less attention to it in the book.
[SPEAKER_07]: They really are highlighting it.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're like, look at how ambiguous this is in the show.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I'm fine with it too.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think the big thing that erases is does it matter.
[SPEAKER_07]: Does it matter if he does live up to the ideals of Nighthood better than any of the true nights?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's, yeah, what do these, yeah, we need to ask Maryland this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what do these gestures mean if, like, you can nite a horrible person with following the proper forms?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that more important than someone who's actually a good person at heart has what you think of as the ideals of nighthood declare themselves a night?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, you know, that's an interesting way to frame it and I, it makes me think about my own personal history with faith and religion and being brought up in a specific.
[SPEAKER_02]: a form of Christianity, Presbyterianism, being confirmed and youth group and all of these different things.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then never really feeling like I needed my soul to be saved or that I had the spirit of Jesus and me or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if I'm a moral per anyone and having family members and other people who sort of judge you because you're not practicing a particular
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I mean, I'm kind to people, I do, you know, I try to be a good person in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: So just because I don't have a external validation or an external tribal marker or some sort of performative or visible status.
[SPEAKER_02]: What does that have to do with the fact that I'm living a moral life, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think the question to which you guys are asking is, dunk is living the values of nighthood, doesn't matter that he's not actually been tapped on the shoulder by Sir Arlin, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: I, you know, I, I almost want to compare it to like professional licensing boards.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, you know, we, if you're just a person who, you know, if you, if you declare yourself an EMT and you just start helping people on the side of the road, or do you go through the certification to become an EMT before you call yourself an EMT?
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... i think a lot of us would say it doesn't matter to do the surfing money to that right know that there's a standard of care or if you know what the fourth amendment is in that right you know on reasonable entry to page it with somebody so i'm sorry
[SPEAKER_00]: Minobas, the thing that I was thinking, what I was thinking of is being a lawyer and that you could very well have someone who didn't go through, you know, all the past the bar, which is an expensive and a knowing test and all that, maybe they were held back by their circumstances, but they studied the hell out of all of the law books, and they may know the law better than many people who are certified as lawyers.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was the rather have that person.
[SPEAKER_07]: I would just rather have that problem be prosecuted because it is a crime.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a, there were something that came that flew, flew past me in my, uh, and, what I guess, my, I do have FYPs on Reddit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess you do, but about a young man who was like a, a very successful lawyer turns out that he did the whole catch me if you can thing and was never past the bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then defended himself and got acquitted.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it's a real story or not.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's also kind of the plot of community with the first episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: Is he, he didn't actually have a bachelor's degree.
[SPEAKER_07]: When he went.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it that's the plot of, um, What's the one that Meghan Markle was in again?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sue?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, shoot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure there was a character in that show that also.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then there's the Tom Hanks, uh, uh, what's his name, Leo de Caprio, uh, movie catch me if you can't actually use it in your life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So good movie though.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was a movie.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well anyway, the the question is,
[SPEAKER_07]: do we care like this is there is there a level of training you need to be a night I guess that's the issue with this is that there's no like quality of there's no standard night training right there's no like level that you know someone's night day they're going to be able to do XYZ it's just any night can make a night and maybe that's why it feels unnecessary in this world to me like sir Arlin being trained by sir Arlin is not the same thing as being trained by the
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I mean, but you don't want there to be more gatekeeping.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is already gatekeeping enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what is a night, what are you getting trained in?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he trained him to fight, but then.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the moral lesson that he takes from Sir Arlin is to literally defend the week, which is what Sir Arlin did on that stream of inverse night he ever saw.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: The first time he saw a night was when he was being saved by one, and that I think is core to dunk.
[SPEAKER_07]: That is his core memory there.
[SPEAKER_07]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, you know, we watch Inside Out.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's been one of his five core memories.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were stuck about a third of the way into the second one, and it's too much for my daughter.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, no, it's always drama.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is a little harder.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you guys kind of watch a little omelette and the character rain and arco to my two favorite animated features.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Show them with your kids.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what's the movie called?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's two.
[SPEAKER_00]: One is arco a RCO just released on on the was just released on video on demand like yesterday today and the other one is little omelette and the character of rain, which is out on video on demand.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think my final thought on this is just that I loved the use of this single location.
[SPEAKER_02]: of Arlin and Dunk at this tree throughout the entire season, as this consequential place, and they set up a whole visual language for it, and it was whenever we went there, we knew what was going to happen and what was going on, so even as Arlin is telling this final
[SPEAKER_02]: and it was beautiful location and I just love the fact that you could just take a whole chunk a whole fifth of the show or something like that and plunk it in one place and use it in so effectively.
[SPEAKER_02]: So really again, another tip of the hat to the writers and the editors for building this visual motif.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I don't know if it's a motif necessarily.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a consequential
[SPEAKER_07]: It's just a stupid tree.
[SPEAKER_00]: But now it has a stupid penny in it, so it's important.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_07]: I guess that is the origin of the penny tree.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mummy, the penny tree was in the Arlin's town, but now he's creating a new one.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this, but okay, this begs the question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Will don't go back to the penny tree that he created in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ah, that's a great, uh, laying track for however, how many books are there?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's only three, but George R. Martin has sketched out up a 12, I think.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, so he gave the extra drafts to the showrunner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so we don't know how many seasons we'll get, but is that laying tracks for somewhere down the season?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're hoping for 15, apparently.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's only two time jump, five, then time jump.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, yeah, that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_07]: The showrunner is, sounds insane to me.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's like he's saying that he wants to like wait five years after a few seasons.
[SPEAKER_00]: five year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, do not recast, do not pass a go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what Richard link later has been doing this with with movies.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's doing it now with another movie that's going to take him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I forget like at least 12 or maybe 20 years to film.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I say go for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that would be interesting experiment.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if it would be a round podcasting.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, you all have to go to John still going to be covering Cosmere.
[SPEAKER_07]: Laura, have the next
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we've got a couple of podcasters in training.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I just, man, I just, I just mapped out the Cosmere coverage and it goes to like mid 20, 30 and then I left out a book.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I don't even know where it ends now.
[SPEAKER_07]: So.
[SPEAKER_07]: And he's still writing it.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, he's still writing it.
[SPEAKER_07]: All right, let's take a break.
[SPEAKER_07]: Get back into the episode after that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Dunk drinks with the newlywed fossilwaves and finds Darren in his cups.
[SPEAKER_07]: Dunk calls him out on his responsibility for the deaths.
[SPEAKER_07]: Darren talks about how Aryan wasn't always a monster, and he used to like fishing, cut to a fish on a platter, cut up.
[SPEAKER_07]: and a young egg on panicking about his haircut.
[SPEAKER_07]: Egg sneaks into Ariane's chamber with a knife to kill him in his sleep, but stops when he hears his father behind him.
[SPEAKER_07]: Make our places a comforting hand on his son's shoulder.
[SPEAKER_07]: Ah man, can I just say like,
[SPEAKER_07]: This is like the worst day he's ever had as a dad.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's like, I don't know what to do here.
[SPEAKER_07]: All of my sons, and now this last one is already becoming a monster.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, but maybe that's a good reason for him to look the other way with what happens at the end.
[SPEAKER_07]: See, I thought that's where they were going with it.
[SPEAKER_07]: I thought that that's where they were going with it where he sees that and that's what makes him go, maybe he should get away from this family for a little while.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know, so David, do you think that Aegon was practicing slicing the throat of his brother on the fish?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't think so, I think it was just sort of prepared for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: That said, beautiful, beautiful scene and a beautiful way to set that up with the knife present and the knife missing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just, whenever I see a trout like that though, I always just think
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I can't help it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, no, I think it was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I really liked this idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: of him looking at himself in the mirror, and I think a mirror in this kind of environment would be a pretty rare thing to have, and something that nobles would have, so that he gets to actually see himself in this way, that's a side note, but that he's remembering his identity by seeing his hair grow in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then that sort of traumatizes him again, which is what I think, that's what I'm feeling into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was that that's what he wants why his sort of murderous rage comes back.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was happy with Dunk.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was happy out on the road.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could be happy in a place like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then as his hair is growing back and he's thinking, oh shit, I'm trapped in this identity.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard.
[UNKNOWN]: It's hard.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that was wicked cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was very fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a fun little color a bit of color in there as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or to wait a bring about the beesbury scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_07]: The guy who was killed in the house of the dragon, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the what with the Kristen Cole and the.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: So man, these bees berries.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're dropping like bees.
[SPEAKER_07]: Aha.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very far.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I can come and smoke in a amount.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess he had issue first or someone in his family did.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, somebody did.
[SPEAKER_07]: I guess it's more than one bees berry.
[SPEAKER_07]: He was he was older wasn't he?
[SPEAKER_07]: The the other one so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I mean,
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, man, this house is not doing very well.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's all the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're all none of them too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you play the Game of Thrones and you die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the basic point of the series.
[SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of which, did either of you catch the line, which, I didn't pick up at first, but I caught it on the second watch with the subtitles on.
[SPEAKER_02]: When the kids are playing under around the coffin?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the kids says to another kid, do you part of my, I'm gonna use a word here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, do you yield drag and horror?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I was like, is that another pointer to House of the Dragon?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, yeah, I think it might be pointing to Ranier.
[SPEAKER_02]: They call her Sarah, or I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, the obviously that we don't have a Sarah and House of the Dragon, but I was like, wait, who could be, who could that fit?
[SPEAKER_07]: It could also just be like they're mocking the Targaryens in general, you know, like yeah, but it does seem like there is some big animosity against the Targaryens before and after the trial, but who would have been who would have been I mean, I'll just say that there are spoilers even in the game of thrones to what's happening, what's going to happen in house of the dragon so I don't know how we want to address that.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't think it should.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just watch it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Let's watch it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, quickly, well, then I guess maybe, okay, so being a non-book reader person, right, then this idea, what does Darren say, perhaps the seeds of madness, or I forget the rest of the line.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he sort of hints at this idea that, is it here?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was Darren who said this, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so this whole idea of, again, foreshadowing what happens in the future with Targaryens, right, in Mads, all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they do, I mean, this seems to be a throughline where they, every generation has their mad cruel and their mad dreamers.
[SPEAKER_02]: No dialogue, the scene with when Egg leans into his father and sort of let's go, there's no dialogue and it's just all face acting and body acting.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just was just thinking about
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, what kind of feelings is he have?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he's killed his brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got an exile one son, quote unquote exile, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But at least send him away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then his other son was about to murder his other son.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's a really messed up situation being his father.
[SPEAKER_07]: And the last one is already trading to be a maester.
[SPEAKER_07]: So he's, you know, quote unquote lost that son.
[SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then they kind of like, um, I feel like something Raymond said made it sound like or what is Raymond know, of course, but the idea that Aiman was sent away because he wasn't tough enough stuff or something like that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, like he was the weak one or something like that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: But he just really liked his books, you know?
[SPEAKER_07]: Some people are really like their books.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would volunteer, please send me an old town.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would get me out of all this.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, Alicia, we're signing you to the Grace Gallery unit.
[SPEAKER_07]: Enjoy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, we'll, we'll, we'll, in your fictional universe, you will have space T in, in old town.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alicia, so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, now just live, I'll live there and become a professor and just collect from my chains and read books.
[SPEAKER_00]: Excellent.
[SPEAKER_07]: By the way, we didn't even talk about the maester in the first scene, like how terrible that maester was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I love when Lionel put some ways like it's begon which, like he's dying.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not, he's a terrible maester.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you see his drip, though?
[SPEAKER_02]: His chains were really nice, like they, but you really, they depend about to everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do you believe, or did he, is, are some of those forged?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, good question.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we've got a world of lying liars here, so you know, why not I love how he's like holding a little bit of siege sort of around him.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you doing dude?
[SPEAKER_02]: Some smoke is not going to fix this guy, anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, he's a good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was to say he's the cult leader, Groover of Westerners.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just point to Dunk's stamina, though, right in his ability to, you know, exist in this world, physically.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and it goes to the 16 tons song, which we'll talk about in a second, but yeah,
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, Dunk's got a new plan.
[SPEAKER_07]: Dunk returns to Maker and offers to take egg on, but only if you can train egg as a hedge lane on the road.
[SPEAKER_07]: Maker box at allowing a prince to live like that, but Dunk compares the experience to Maker's other sunshine so it's.
[SPEAKER_07]: Implying it could be part of why they became the way they are.
[SPEAKER_07]: Mekar says egg is his last son and refuses to allow dump to take him.
[SPEAKER_07]: What do you think about dumps plan?
[SPEAKER_07]: Is this a good plan?
[SPEAKER_07]: Does the dump have the chops?
[SPEAKER_00]: Does dunk have the chops to the tree egg on the right?
[SPEAKER_07]: No supervision.
[SPEAKER_00]: The question is, what is it important that egg learned?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can dunk train egg in sword?
[SPEAKER_00]: Swordsmanship?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can dunk train egg to be a more grounded royal?
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think that's what it is.
[SPEAKER_07]: Egg just seems like a good summer camp where he meets some people outside of the family.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some good summer holidays in the summer camp.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the Targaryens don't like to make friends outside the Targaryen.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, and it is a thing that a lot of royals will do, you know, the send words out, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: Like you, you go be a word of this Lord, this person, that's how Robert Barathe and MetNet Stark, they were both words of John Aaron, and so I think that it seems like based on what I've seen here that the Targaryens are not participating in the
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're not, nobody else is good enough to raise a Targaryen.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: And that seems to be part of the issue here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, in words, too, we're political in some ways.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hosted kids, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was the straight up ones that were hostages, and then they were like, be on grade, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there were the ones that are like, oh, we might have some friction around a mosque, so we'll trade kids, and it helps keep the peace, less of an actual
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, or politically advantageous.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, you got to squire for that bigger house, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the first thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I did think it was a really good, I thought it was inspired by dunk though to not only come up with the idea,
[SPEAKER_02]: but to have the moxie to go back to make R and say, hey, you know, I think this is what we should do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, yeah, I like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, learn the land, learn the people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody really knows who this kid is, and then one day he becomes a king, and you know, that's, it seemed really clever to me in a lot of ways.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, this explicit rejection by make R is something new in the show.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I didn't know if I liked it at first, but the more I think about it, the more I'm like, of course he's gonna say no to that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Why would he say yes to that?
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I know why we know why as viewers, and we want him to say yes, because we want this duo to go together.
[SPEAKER_07]: But, you know, when you're a parent, you're like, all right, maybe he has a point that he shouldn't be in my house all the time, but maybe not under a tree.
[SPEAKER_07]: Maybe that's a little too far.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, it did always seem impossible to me in the books.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do wonder if, because when it comes to adapting for television, you do have to keep certain other things in mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: And one thing is that people like continuity in characters between the seasons.
[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, we have Dunk and Ed coming back.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think they might want to set up reasons for other familiar faces to check in, like, make our showing up at some points.
[SPEAKER_00]: maybe then he lets egg be with don't get um I don't know but yeah I think that we might see some more changes along those lines just to for more continuity or maybe not maybe maybe they'll keep it completely separate.
[SPEAKER_07]: Maybe, I mean, they could do it subtly and say, like, okay, they could show me a car like getting a letter from the word that they're serving.
[SPEAKER_07]: That says like, Egg is doing really well.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's so much more sure he stands taller.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's kinder.
[SPEAKER_07]: I love that you sent him with this headstit, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: Like they assumed that this was his plan.
[SPEAKER_07]: And make her like, call off the search.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the idea that there is a little bit of tension with them that they do kind of need to not be anywhere at once where they could necessarily get sort of like, hey, you need to go home.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I also don't like the idea of Macar's forces outscouring the countryside and, you know, they're always on the lamb and it gets a little bit like what's the tealion or what's the
[SPEAKER_02]: uh there's a show on not long ago and I can't forget it's the uh I'm blanking the name of the actor but she her character knows when people are telling lies and then it's like a dad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh Natasha Leon.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um yeah what's it yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Poker fish.
[SPEAKER_00]: Poker fish that's one.
[SPEAKER_02]: that it's not poker face where the bad guys are always right or the bad guys are always around the corner at any moment and every episode ends with them having to run off again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't want that kind of tension, but I also don't want the tone of the books.
[SPEAKER_07]: And that's a spoiler that's just not what this series is about, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: Like Game of Thrones has a lot of that.
[SPEAKER_07]: We've done that.
[SPEAKER_07]: This is about the adventures of two buddies.
[SPEAKER_02]: great and and I hope they but I don't mind a little tension in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't mind the ambiguity about the nighthood and whether your father actually gave you permission, but I also, yeah, I don't want to see make or henchmen on the road.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to see cutscenes every episode or at, you know, end of every season.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they almost got them like that would just, that would suck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: We're not, we're not talking about the fate of the world here.
[SPEAKER_07]: We're talking about the fate of two souls, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: Whether they turn out better or worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe their souls are all be important in some reason of foot or a hand might be necessary to the fate of the realms.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they have both been changed for good to quote wicked.
[SPEAKER_02]: Quick question, the princess who don't interact with a couple of times.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's a lady.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's um, she is the daughter of Lorna.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's the Ashford.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: This was her birthday, Tony.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, is that the whole point of the journey?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I miss that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember when Dunk was accidentally spying before when he first met Baylor and the she came up and was like, hey, hey, then yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But so now she was really being nice to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's and we we saw are on the sitting there with all the other large and ladies a couple of times like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just didn't know I knew she was his.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... daughter i just didn't understand that this was the turny for for that uh... ignored it you know i don't know she's gonna play a part in future because they kind of gave her a couple of weird lines and i was like but you know it it it worked but like what's going on i'll say they gave her more lines in this and they did in the book so yeah yeah she's just a part of it in the book i did enjoy how she's like
[SPEAKER_07]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't blame you for ruining my birthday.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, not my biggest problem right now.
[SPEAKER_07]: I hadn't even thought about that, but thanks for adding.
[SPEAKER_07]: My, like, it actually added stress to him.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think he's like, oh, God, nothing else.
[SPEAKER_00]: But she did say she actually said, you know, it's not fair what they did to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that was showing because she's at that horrible 13 age, you know, a couple.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's showing some maturity there, that she wasn't showing even a few episodes ago.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_07]: So let's get on to the last scene, Sir Raymond arrives with sweet foot, which he bought back for Dunk, his boyfriend.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, Dunk has moved by the gesture, he gives her to Raymond, who begins her all you can eat, apple diet.
[SPEAKER_07]: Dunk fails a penny to a tree and sets off on the road, but before he can leave, Egg arrives telling Dunk his father has for sure allowed him to squire for dark.
[SPEAKER_07]: To spirit of Surarlin rides along the new duo and make hard demands to know where his son is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, so that, I mean, I guess you said that's that's an addition that, and I also was wondering how I felt about it, like, do I like it or not?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still not completely sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think, I don't, yeah, I see pros and cons because like we are saying, I have always wondered like why would make our let him go, uh, even though he is,
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, the spare this, you know, times to the 16th power or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, but I just having it so explicit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that ambiguity that they left us with with, like, it was dunk knighted or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in the book, this has the same ambiguity, I think, and here seems clear.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I, you know, the way I read it in the book was make her is just beside himself about his brother, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: Like he is just despondent, he is not sure what you're going to do.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's a kid slayer now that's going to follow him the rest of his life.
[SPEAKER_07]: And so when egg is just like, I'm going to go off with this, he's like whatever, I don't care anymore.
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, so this was new for me.
[SPEAKER_07]: This is different from how I read it in the book, although it's not really explicit that he gives permission in the book.
[SPEAKER_07]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, I think it's fine.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think it as as as long as they don't do what David's afraid of.
[SPEAKER_07]: And make this a chase straight.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, so in the book, I thought that it was sort of what Duncan was setting up here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that it was Maycar thought that he would be better off not being like Aryan if he went out with someone who was very in a different atmosphere, you know, raised him in a different way, exposed him to the world more.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, of course, if it if it is going to be a chase show, I do need them to put band on the run as one of the print forms.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not 16 tons by Tennessee, Ernie Ford.
[SPEAKER_07]: I want band on the run.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, fair enough.
[SPEAKER_07]: So we talked about it on the run.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That works.
[SPEAKER_02]: Should we talk about 16 tons?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you going to save it for a minute?
[SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's interesting that there's a big chat going on in the discord right now as we're recording this and it's fun to see people debating what is a night and you know did this did this song work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at first I was like, huh, that's kind of a funny song.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when I went to look at the lyrics, it clicked a little bit for me, which is now some people say a man's made out of mud, but a poor man's made out of muscle and blood, muscle and blood's getting a bone, a mind that's weak and a back that's strong.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then another lyrical verse is I was born one morning, it was drizzling rain, fightin' and trouble is my middle name.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was raised in the bottoms by a mama-hound.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean as a dog, but I'm gentle as a lamb.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then another verse is, well, if you see me coming, you better step aside.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of men didn't, and a lot of men died.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got a fist of iron and a fist of steel.
[SPEAKER_02]: If the right one don't get you, then the left one will.
[SPEAKER_02]: The granted this song is about coal mining and being exploited by corporations, living in a company town, being paid company script, being charged, you know, outrageous,
[SPEAKER_02]: And I get that aspect of the song.
[SPEAKER_02]: But these verses to me, paint a picture of Dunk in a way.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not mean, but he's, yeah, he can't be mean, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he went toe to toe with Ariane's guards, and he was enraged at one point in the beatup.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's live in shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, said the company town is like Targaryen town.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Targaryen's are the company.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think what's interesting on the discord is people are debating is that if you swap out company and then you swap in feudalism, or capital, it late stages capitalism, or whatever you want to throw in, which is financial feudalism.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, you know, that you're slave to, I'm sorry, I don't want to say slave to the system, but you are trapped by the system, and your choices are limited by the system.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the long walk, sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which was, did I tell you that I enjoyed that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I forgot.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I had no idea what to make of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I was like, by the end, I was like, oh, shit, it's a giant allegory.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was really good, but yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: you're trapped by the rules of the system and what choices you do have are few and limited and so is don't just trapped by the system.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's got the old road and he can wander about but he's a knight and that's something that's expensive.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got to figure out how to pay for himself and his world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even if he gave up his knighthood, what would he go do?
[SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, I don't know, I think it's, I think there's some ambiguity and some tension in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: At a minimum, I could say we could just say take these verses as a description of dunk and it's a kind of a work-a-day song, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's got to go out and sort of be work-day in his life.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, what do you think, John or Alicia?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_07]: I was with you when you you I heard this kind of breakdown you did a little shorter but version but on the instant take and I was with you I know Anthony was saying maybe not dunk but I I'm with you David you've sold me okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah, I think it makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's obviously, it is from Dunk's perspective.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, he's the small, the big, small guy, you know, fighting back against the power.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is why it makes sense to me why he wouldn't want to go to Dragonstone or to Summer Hall.
[SPEAKER_00]: join that life and be controlled by these nights he has seen over and over in this tournament, most of them have done awful things and have very morally questionable behavior.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, he's like, I've kind of liked my freedom life on the road with Sir Arlin.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that goes back into the point two of what is a night and what are your values and are you living your life?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a, yeah, he's like, you guys are all,
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll take the open road, because, yeah, I can actually help people and be kind to people and yeah, what do you guys do in these castles?
[SPEAKER_02]: You just get into trouble with each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's petty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even the brothers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even the brothers.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, it was in Dorn where Tanzel, the puppeter went, didn't steal the pizza that they went to Dorn.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and eggs said, uh, I hear they have good puppeters or puppets show there or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I like that little manipulation by egg sort of, uh, you know, sort of, that's moving the situation along.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's directly from the book, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how the, yeah, that's how the novella ends.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's great.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm in.
[SPEAKER_07]: You've sold me.
[SPEAKER_07]: Let's go to Dorn.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay, let's not hold a breath because we need to hit it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The long way to dawn.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was saying there might be time jumps.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did like the little quip.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, are you mad and he replies, is that relevant?
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, sort of the wink of the nod to these future things about Madson, the ultimate fates of things, so.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_07]: How many kingdoms are there?
[SPEAKER_00]: I was as blown away as don't yeah and you're close red on this world so I mean I never counted them but okay so I looked up the difference and basically the iron islands used to have like all of the riverlands all the way to the coast and now yeah the iron islands
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess the other one, I can't tell if the other one is because the crown lands was also carved out of that where the iron islands used to own or if it's because Doran was added.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's actually Doran was added and then there was seven and then the iron islands and Riverlands split into three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then you've got to keep it because it's got to match up with the feet of the seven.
[SPEAKER_02]: It sounds good, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love the little wink of the title card, because if you blink it, you could literally miss it and it says night of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a funny, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Good luck with the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I just love the fact that this show is willing to challenge this very serious, you know, world of House of the Dragon Game of Thrones, best television ever, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're just, they're poking fun at it all the way through, and it's a little fun, but it's.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: It did a good job.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing I have only one criticism of the entire season, and this is more of a production thing than anything else, and it was the pantomime of him banging the penny into the tree.
[SPEAKER_02]: from a stage craft thing the penny was already there and he's just pretending to pry it out and he's just pretending to hit it into the the treaty probably was not even hitting it exactly where the penny was because the the set deck people were like don't touch it it's barely holding on there so just pretend to bang next to the tree so
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's like fathered me so I didn't know that's the kind of thing to like ADR like I'll hear a line of ADR like oh that's ADR you know the dialogue replacement or or oh that's a cutscene like yeah I sometimes weirdly pick up on those things so Did you know how to use the ADR software on like pop vocals there?
[SPEAKER_07]: like that's how they make like pop background vocals to go match up.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's fun.
[SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, that I was, that I was interested in.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, I thought it was a lovely season of television.
[SPEAKER_07]: How about you, too?
[SPEAKER_00]: I've already got, it's only February and I've already got two on my top 10 list.
[SPEAKER_02]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although I'm curious, Alicia, where are you, would you place
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm assuming it's Wonder Man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: To be honest, I haven't watched much else TV, but these two were really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they really were.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of Wonder Man a little bit above this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I got to check the show out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, there's a bit more bite to Wonderman.
[SPEAKER_00]: I suppose there's more total runtime to Wonderman.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's more time to explore.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is another one.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bromance and that's what makes it so great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the arc that both the main characters of Wonderman go through, I think is a little bit more complete for me than this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: if that makes sense, you know, or a step, the arc of the character has a longer arc than this, like, is what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I know what you mean.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like a lot more happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there is more runtime to wonder man overall.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple more episodes at least, so slightly longer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But so I guess I'm with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is, so that's one.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see what the rest of the year brings.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what a great way to start the season of the year off right with a couple of things, pop flies and a couple of quick home runs and the pit and we have the pit is also great.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a, yeah, that's a grand slam.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a, that is a, they, they swung for the fact.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, assuming they pull off the rest of the season.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, folks, some of us at least will be back for House of the Dragon, if you want more.
[SPEAKER_07]: Western rose coverage, it's going to be a fun time for some people in June.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, how's your bank balance doing their job?
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, my fan bankruptcy balance.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, you know, this show is great for that balance.
[SPEAKER_07]: Honestly, like I, I'm not out on the Western
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, I was famously out on foundation.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, you know, you did, you did completely bell on foundation.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but Marilyn had a great time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, hey, yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I had a great time talking to Marilyn.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, be gone with you on foundation.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a website, I think, is it master replicators?
[SPEAKER_02]: They do a lot of ship and other art work and stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they have a now a little model of the Invictus.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it the Invictus or what's the big round Flippy ship?
[SPEAKER_07]: That is a very, yeah, this is a big Invictus ship.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, they have a model of it now you could buy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or it's coming soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's cool.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's cool.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, we've got a lot more coming this year.
[SPEAKER_07]: So stick around with us.
[SPEAKER_07]: I know next we're going to be doing more pit coverage weekly Alicia.
[SPEAKER_07]: What do you got coming on the Oscar stuff?
[SPEAKER_00]: Just put out Lisa and I talking about costume production design and makeup, which is actually low-key some of the most exciting categories especially makeup and then, yeah, next up, I talk to Mexican film critic, exhort about the international category, that'll be the next one out.
[SPEAKER_07]: We've also got some early in story this week that should be actually after this.
[SPEAKER_07]: I know.
[SPEAKER_07]: This is riveting, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, on touring tour and bar.
[SPEAKER_07]: So quite honestly, if you're a game with your own fans and you're like, Tolkien's not dark enough for me.
[SPEAKER_07]: Come join us.
[SPEAKER_07]: Join us this week.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's, there's a literal curse on a family and it's just misery misery misery.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, uh, join us.
[SPEAKER_07]: Join us for, JR Tolkien becomes GRRM.
[SPEAKER_05]: Perfect.
[SPEAKER_07]: and uh... what else we got cosmic coverage coming for your other epic fantasy stuff i think that's going to be starting around the summer time myself to meet with the other guys from radioactive ramblings to talk about that and the radioactive ramblings people just wrapped up their fallout covered so if you want to meet if you want to meet the parents now if you want to meet the other people who are going to be on the feed definitely check out their coverage of fallout that's in the show notes david you want to talk about nevermind the music
[SPEAKER_02]: Never mind the music.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just trying to look up their episode listing.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's voice to men, Motown Philly.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is not my generation.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, somebody else could talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was really down with the haemal episode and the minute work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Episode, those were both a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: That looks like they've got another side track coming up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, a Fleetwood Mac is coming up.
[SPEAKER_07]: very cool.
[SPEAKER_07]: I know I'm about to coordinate with them on my side rack.
[SPEAKER_07]: So we're doing it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Double surprise me in a single episode, John.
[SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, you know what?
[SPEAKER_07]: This one is not my fault.
[SPEAKER_07]: The other one was my fault.
[SPEAKER_07]: The similarly insurers with my fault.
[SPEAKER_07]: What else we got?
[SPEAKER_07]: We got, we got, we got, we got how we're working.
[SPEAKER_07]: We already mentioned teasers or not?
[SPEAKER_07]: Do I want to use you?
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, because I don't think it's fully solidified.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, so let's let's let the people find out over on that feed.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then properly how it has their newlywed season.
[SPEAKER_07]: And that's going to be a lot of funds.
[SPEAKER_07]: If you like hearing Anthony for 15 minutes today and you like hearing even Anthony throughout the season, then go check out more of their stuff.
[SPEAKER_07]: And they're going to be doing a wrap up of this season next week as well.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think that's it for active feeds right now.
[SPEAKER_07]: So why don't we do some thank you, Zelisha, you want to do discord server boosters and then David loremasters?
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