[SPEAKER_17]: Hello everybody and welcome to useful idiots Monday morning where we watch the Sunday morning you show so that you do not have to I'm Katie Helper and hit that like.
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[SPEAKER_07]: If you thought that a blizzard would stop us from giving you Monday morning, you were sorely mistaken.
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[SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, there is a lot to get to starting with, of course, the constant threat of a new US attack on Iran, US under Trump has sent the largest deployment of
[SPEAKER_07]: It does feel when you're Donald Trump and you send one-third of the U.S. Navy's deployed fleet.
[SPEAKER_07]: You constantly threaten that war is inevitable.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's how it feels.
[SPEAKER_07]: And that's what I've been hearing from the people I talk to who know.
[SPEAKER_07]: But
[SPEAKER_07]: You never know, and the Trump administration is claiming that they're giving diplomacy a trial though the last time they said that what they're on, then a bombing or on that.
[SPEAKER_17]: When you say people, you know, you meet what kind of people you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_17]: I mean, don't name your sources, what genre people to talk about.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I'm not going to name my sources, but.
[SPEAKER_07]: the people who I know who aren't touched with people in the White House.
[SPEAKER_07]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Uh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_07]: Everyone I speak to is very confident that some sort of US military attack is imminent.
[SPEAKER_17]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_07]: But they, uh, hey, listen, you never know what's going on in Donald Trump's head.
[SPEAKER_07]: So,
[SPEAKER_07]: Let's hope that sanity prevails and somebody trying to inject some sanity into the discussion is the foreign minister of Iran, Abbas Arachi, who went on face to nation to make the case for why his country does not need to be attacked because after all it was Donald Trump who broke the last diplomatic agreement between Iran and the US that was working that was the
[SPEAKER_07]: Iran nuclear deal.
[SPEAKER_07]: And so here he is making his case for a new rounded diplomacy.
[SPEAKER_07]: If Donald Trump can manage to ignore people like Lindsey Graham urging him to go to work.
[SPEAKER_16]: You continue to say that your nuclear program is peaceful and you know there are a lot of skeptics around the world including in the United States Congress.
[SPEAKER_16]: There's pressure on President Trump
[SPEAKER_16]: There were 52 Republican centers, 177 House Republicans who have called on President Trump to demand zero enrichment and full dismantlement of your nuclear program.
[SPEAKER_07]: See, politics works a lot like a school yard where there's peer groups and peer pressure and as Margaret Bryan is saying, they're Trump's under pressure from his peer group, which is a bunch of bullies and they're telling
[SPEAKER_07]: The main bully, the most spoiled riches bully there is, hey, you better do this, you better go to war and peer pressure goes a very long way, especially when you have an infantile brain as our current president happens to have.
[SPEAKER_17]: And you know, another thing that goes a long way with Trump is ego and flattery and he doesn't like when people slay him and I just want to remind him that Marco Rubio is definitely trying to play you Donald Trump president Trump if you're watching.
[SPEAKER_17]: And the best way to get back at at Rubio who's using you as a pawn would be to lift the blockade of Cuba.
[SPEAKER_17]: That is how you
[SPEAKER_16]: Why should President Trump consider allowing Iran to have even the smallest bit of enrichment?
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, first of all, why does President Trump get to decide whether another country can peacefully enrich uranium when they're allowed to under the national proliferation treaty?
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, the premise of the question is like, why should Trump allow you to do something to give a sovereign right to do?
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know, why should we allow Trump to make sovereign decisions for other countries?
[SPEAKER_07]: Is he the ruler of the world, did Iran vote for Trump to be their new supreme leader?
[SPEAKER_17]: It's really pathetic and scary and, you know, I think I've said this before, but what's especially scary is that Margaret Brennan was, I mean, this is such a low bar, but she was probably the best of all these mainstream Sunday morning news shows anchors in terms of Gaza, which again is a low bar, but she's someone who seems to like actually not want children to be bombed, but it is pathetic and very telling that when it comes to Iran,
[SPEAKER_17]: There is just no analysis that is outside of the colonial structure where Donald Trump, like you said, gets to call all the shots.
[SPEAKER_17]: And again, these are people who don't like Trump, right?
[SPEAKER_17]: I mean, she makes it very clear.
[SPEAKER_17]: And yet her adversarial position towards Trump can't ever apply to Iran or Cuba.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't like Trump as he was president, but I love him as the premier leader of Iran.
[SPEAKER_07]: Because I think what Iran gets to decide, love that for him, love that for him.
[SPEAKER_17]: Love that for God, I know that.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's the attitude.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_20]: Well, first of all, in Richmond, he's our right.
[SPEAKER_20]: We are a member of NPT and we have every right to enjoy a peaceful nuclear.
[SPEAKER_20]: energy, including enrichment.
[SPEAKER_20]: How we use this, this right is something related to us only.
[SPEAKER_20]: The enrichment is the sensitive part of our negotiation.
[SPEAKER_20]: The American team know about the
[SPEAKER_20]: resolution is achievable, but I'm not going to negotiate through media.
[SPEAKER_16]: No, I understand, but we have seen very public statements from the president that he said, no enrichment and that's a red line.
[SPEAKER_17]: But when you say it's your right, okay, but by the way, look at her face when she says, when you say it's your right, okay, oh, let's just play this back.
[SPEAKER_17]: The contempt and the like, okay, I'm going to entertain a child.
[SPEAKER_16]: But when you say it's your right, okay, but you could get enriched uranium and buy it from someplace else.
[SPEAKER_16]: You know this, you've done this.
[SPEAKER_16]: Is demanding the right to enrich on Iranian soil really worth the risk right now.
[SPEAKER_16]: You're facing a potential destruction of your country and the regime based on the kind of military buildup we're looking at.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's interesting, does she ever say to Trump or Rubio or any of the representatives of the administration, why are you threatening to destabilize the world by threatening to destroy the country of Iran?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's a great question because what right do you have to threaten to destroy Iran based on them having?
[SPEAKER_07]: peaceful enrichment.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's never asked.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's only to the targeted country.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, is it worth defying the mafia boss here?
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, who's really mad at you is going to destroy your country, unless you comply, is it worth defying him?
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, look, there is a question you could ask about Iranian strategy.
[SPEAKER_07]: But I think that question should come from Iranians, not
[SPEAKER_07]: Americans who are holding the gun at Iran and saying, like, hey, why aren't you why did you listen to our orders?
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, right.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, has the strategy of enriching at a higher level, which Iran has done, like, they've gone up to a very, very high level that puts them closer to breakout for nuclear weapon if they wanted one.
[SPEAKER_07]: Now, it's obvious why they did that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, the moment Trump walked away from the nuclear deal.
[SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[SPEAKER_07]: I almost like, okay, fine.
[SPEAKER_07]: If you're going to give us more sanctions, we're going to give you more enrichment and this will be our leverage free to return to the nuclear deal.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: The problem is they're dealing with.
[SPEAKER_07]: In saying people who don't actually want to have a deal, they want to have war, they want to have regime change.
[SPEAKER_07]: And so they have been turned used at a higher level to justify their regime change.
[SPEAKER_07]: So it's a very vicious cycle.
[SPEAKER_07]: And the Iranian argument for enriching at a higher level is a, this gives us leverage for your deal.
[SPEAKER_07]: But also, if we do get attacked by two nuclear on powers, maybe we actually will need to make a nuclear weapon.
[SPEAKER_07]: And so,
[SPEAKER_07]: the higher enrichment we go, the faster it will be for us to develop that.
[SPEAKER_07]: So like the fundamental problem here, what do you think about Iran strategy, whether they should have enriched or not?
[SPEAKER_07]: It's the constant threat of US Israeli aggression, and the US breaking the nuclear deal that was working, which capped Iranian enrichment at a very, very low level, and could have avoided
[SPEAKER_07]: We could have not been in this situation, or at least we could have been in a much better situation, if Joe Biden, when he came back to power, had decided to return to the Iran nuclear deal, which was a crazy did not, which a lot of people expected and would have been the logical thing given that it had been ushered in under Obama.
[SPEAKER_17]: his guy and you know just to put to to kind of put this in perspective again it'll be one thing if if Brennan were asking these strategy questions and playing hardball with Iran but also did the same thing with Western leaders but she doesn't.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, yeah, it's all for the, yeah, it's all for the targeted country to have to answer all these like exactly right why aren't you doing this right why are you responding this way to my country don't need to show you totally illegally and there's also no if you want to be strategic about it and like and let and you know she's showing her frustration here, but she should then have the kind of like gumption and courage of saying that what is being done is a violation of
[SPEAKER_17]: the rights based order, which we know we don't have, but she should be pointing out how what bullish behavior this is, as opposed to just accepting it as the status quo.
[SPEAKER_17]: All right, let's give them, let's throw back.
[SPEAKER_17]: Well, I think, as I said, by the way, I've got to say Aaron, you know, sometimes we do the fashion analysis.
[SPEAKER_17]: And I've got to say this gives a lot of Aaron Mattay.
[SPEAKER_17]: We all news, Arab vibes, when you wear that, and outfit a lot like that.
[SPEAKER_17]: The name of color.
[SPEAKER_07]: I did, yes, I did used to wear a lot of non-collet shirts.
[SPEAKER_07]: Which again, that's me appropriating Iranian fashion because they're their originators.
[SPEAKER_07]: My real news era was just inspired by Iranian diplomats, I guess you could say.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_17]: But you still have the black and white.
[SPEAKER_17]: You haven't left that in the past.
[SPEAKER_17]: And of course, you could say maybe perhaps, because that's a neighborhood collar, I believe.
[SPEAKER_17]: So they of course were appropriating that from from India.
[SPEAKER_07]: Anyway.
[SPEAKER_07]: back to the even more and what we do the full show soon all about men's the dresser colors to that if you want more content like that.
[SPEAKER_20]: We have everybody right to decide for ourselves why ourselves.
[SPEAKER_20]: We have developed this technology by ourselves by our scientists.
[SPEAKER_20]: And it's very dear to us because we have paid the huge expense for that.
[SPEAKER_20]: We have been on the sanctions for at least 20 years.
[SPEAKER_20]: And we have lost our scientists and we have had a war.
[SPEAKER_20]: Because of that, so that is now a matter of dignity and pride for Iranians and we are not going to to give it up.
[SPEAKER_20]: There is no legal reason to do that.
[SPEAKER_20]: While everything is peaceful, while everything is safeguarded by the agency, why we had an agreement in the past when we were reminded fully committed to that and it was the US who
[SPEAKER_20]: So we are a committed member of MPT, we want to use our right, we want to have our right and to exercise.
[SPEAKER_17]: And you know another point that's important to make I think is that.
[SPEAKER_17]: The demand among Iranians, and of course there's a strategic question as you alluded to and Margaret Brendan did, but you more fairly, I would say Aaron.
[SPEAKER_17]: But of course, when the United States is so disrespectful and dishonest with Iran, that only makes the population want to be that much more supportive of nuclear, the possibility of nuclear proliferation.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, yeah, especially if you're under constant threat, like you're going to want to defend yourself and yeah, if you're on had new clear weapons, now this will be happening.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's the sad thing the Trump and then you can say Biden policy too, because Biden didn't restore the nuclear deal is to encourage.
[SPEAKER_07]: nuclear proliferation.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're basically begging your rent to get to get a bomb.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's, it's, it's just so absolutely cynical.
[SPEAKER_07]: And really, you really have to, I mean, Joe Biden, what an absolute disaster of a president.
[SPEAKER_07]: He was on top of the genocide.
[SPEAKER_07]: He wouldn't even return to his own previous administration, the Obama administration.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're on nuclear deal.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I mean, like, he appointed as his top Iran negotiator to like get back into the JCPOA, a guy named Rob Malik,
[SPEAKER_07]: who served on a robama, help broker the initial run and clear deal, almost totally on board with renegotiating the run and clear deal.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then after Rob Malley gets repented, Biden, handcuffs him and doesn't let him do anything.
[SPEAKER_07]: So it's just like, it was such a waste and such a
[SPEAKER_07]: of the Trump camp who basically, Biden teed everything up for them, including now, the threat of a new war on Iran.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, another thing he did that with is Cuba.
[SPEAKER_17]: Like he didn't reverse the Trump sanctions that were a big departure from Obama, who opened up stuff quite a bit in Cuba.
[SPEAKER_17]: And then he finally did it like a day, I mean, very, very, very shortly, before leaving office Biden did something,
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, like literally on his last day he finally reversed Trump banning remittances travel, you know, openings to Cuba on his last day.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then of course, Trump a day later comes back in office and re-impose everything.
[SPEAKER_07]: So thank you Joe Biden for, you know, 24 hours or so.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm not, I'm not strangling Cuba.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's totally in the next.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: more from the Iranian Foreign Minister, Abbas Arachi.
[SPEAKER_07]: And one question hanging over the talks that are going on between the US and Iran right now is what exactly is Trump demanding?
[SPEAKER_07]: Because we've gotten all these conflicting signals.
[SPEAKER_07]: Iran says the issue is only nuclear, we're going to get back into, we're going to talk about getting back into another nuclear deal.
[SPEAKER_07]: People like Marco Rubio Trump, they're all saying it's not just nuclear also.
[SPEAKER_07]: It run us to stop supporting its proxies, quote, unquote, where it relates allies.
[SPEAKER_07]: And also be, Iran has to cap its ballistic missile program, which is the one to turn it has against Israel, which is a tactic before it is starting to attack
[SPEAKER_07]: And people like Marco Rubio said, you got to give up your ability to the bank yourself.
[SPEAKER_07]: If you want us to not attack you, that's essentially the U.S. demand.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, here is a bossarachi on that.
[SPEAKER_16]: I came about nuclear.
[SPEAKER_16]: You are offering a nuclear only deal at this stage because Secretary Rubio said anything meaningful would also have to involve ballistic missiles and your support for proxies in the region.
[SPEAKER_20]: right now we are negotiating only nuclear and there's no other subjects.
[SPEAKER_16]: Okay, would you be willing to allow weapons inspectors unfettered access to your nuclear sites and for Americans' vectors to be among them?
[SPEAKER_20]: Well, we are a committed member of NPT, non-profession 3T, and we have a safeguard
[SPEAKER_07]: So yes, I mean, again, all these things, inspections, verification, all that was happening under the Iran nuclear deal that Trump broke.
[SPEAKER_07]: And now they're saying, yeah, if you want to have another agreement with us and you don't want to get bomb, you have to also give up your right to defend itself and stop your support for proxies.
[SPEAKER_07]: And again, the idea that like answer a lot of the hoothees or hisbola are just proxies taking a running orders, it's just absolutely not true.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, look at Hamas, which is also called the proxie
[SPEAKER_07]: everyone knows now that erotic no idea about October 7th.
[SPEAKER_07]: And also Hamas and Iran took very different positions when it came to the dirty war in Syria, or at least factions of Hamas.
[SPEAKER_07]: Because there was a split inside Hamas over over that.
[SPEAKER_07]: But so...
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, those examples there are October 7th, Tomas, and also Syria.
[SPEAKER_07]: It shows it like this idea that Iran just controls everybody.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's a quote unquote proxies.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's just not true.
[SPEAKER_07]: And you know, what about US proxies?
[SPEAKER_07]: Where the US has military bases surrounding Iran in Jordan, for example, which is hosting US forces right now preparing to attack Iran.
[SPEAKER_07]: One proxy is Israel, which has nuclear weapons and has just been committing genocide for more than two years.
[SPEAKER_07]: In Iraq, Iraq right now, it might have to drop its likely next Prime Minister, Norya Malaki, who was previously Prime Minister, who said to be too close to Iran, and so the
[SPEAKER_07]: Iran's foreign reserves, which are held in a New York Bank, if they let Nuri Almalki become Prime Minister again.
[SPEAKER_07]: So like what about that use of proxies in the region by the US, which is much more consequential than the influence that Iran has over its allies.
[SPEAKER_07]: No one ever talks about the US giving that up, even though of course, the US is not a Middle East country.
[SPEAKER_07]: So what does they even do in there?
[SPEAKER_07]: But all that is just presumed to be okay because we have the self to
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, and again, it's it's it's just it's the just in, um, nomenclature, right?
[SPEAKER_17]: They're they have the regime.
[SPEAKER_17]: They have proxies.
[SPEAKER_17]: We have a government and allies.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's right, exactly right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, so we've heard from the Iranian Foreign Minister, let's turn to the guy who is not technically as counterpart because he doesn't really have a huge government position, but he's basically negotiating everything on behalf of Donald Trump.
[SPEAKER_07]: As we can see from all the ongoing chaos in the world, he's done a really terrible job, his name is Steve Wikoth, and here he is speaking to Fox News.
[SPEAKER_05]: has, has he gave Jared and I direction before we went over there.
[SPEAKER_05]: There were red lines.
[SPEAKER_05]: Zero enrichment.
[SPEAKER_05]: We have to have the material back.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, they say that it's all about they're about their civil program and yet they've been enriching well beyond the number that you need for civil nuclear.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's up to 60 percent.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're probably
[SPEAKER_07]: That's right, and they're doing that because you broke the previous Ron nuclear deal and reimpose sanctions.
[SPEAKER_07]: So they responded by increasing their enrichment.
[SPEAKER_07]: If you increase the sanctions, their line was, okay, we're going to increase our enrichment to get back to a deal.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's what happens when you break agreements and reimpose murderous sanctions.
[SPEAKER_07]: And he acts as if it's some sort of mystery as to, you know, why Iran did that.
[SPEAKER_07]: But then it gets even worse.
[SPEAKER_05]: a week away from having a week away from, so up to 60% they're probably a week away from having industrial industrial grade bomb making material.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's really dangerous so I can't have that.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is something that they have to stick with until they prove to us that they can behave.
[SPEAKER_17]: listic, condescending language, they are, they have to behave.
[SPEAKER_17]: They're just, they're not even pretending that's to talk about them like they're children.
[SPEAKER_17]: And they have to stick to their things and their promises, but we don't, because we're the adults.
[SPEAKER_17]: I mean, now, now I actually think maybe their double standard makes make sense.
[SPEAKER_17]: If you don't think of them as two sovereign nations, but if you think of them as a father, a child relationship,
[SPEAKER_17]: then they're they're reasoning are their presentation makes a lot of sense and in this case the self declared
[SPEAKER_07]: eternal figure is a brazen liar because what does he say there?
[SPEAKER_07]: He says, yeah, the probably a week away from industrial scale nuclear energy for nuclear.
[SPEAKER_07]: What is he talking about?
[SPEAKER_07]: Remember Trump was bragging about how he obliterated the nuclear program?
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: And now he's like supposed to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I just saying they're a week away.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_17]: Well, we're in a pickle lane.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, where have we heard this claim that Iran is a week away or weeks away from a nuclear bomb?
[SPEAKER_07]: Well,
[SPEAKER_07]: Somebody's been saying it for more than 30 years.
[SPEAKER_07]: His name is Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
[SPEAKER_07]: And this is like a pinwheel clip that somebody put together.
[SPEAKER_17]: Nice match up.
[SPEAKER_07]: Stopped.
[SPEAKER_08]: Iran could produce a nuclear weapon in a very short time.
[SPEAKER_08]: It could be a year.
[SPEAKER_08]: It could be within a few months.
[SPEAKER_10]: They have the wherewithal, the 21st century preserved knowledge, to make a bomb very quickly if they wanted to do it.
[SPEAKER_09]: Iran is more dangerous.
[SPEAKER_09]: For an entire arsenal of nuclear bombs.
[SPEAKER_10]: The rare closer, six months away from being about 90% of having the rich uranium for an atom bomb.
[SPEAKER_10]: The Iran is gearing up to half.
[SPEAKER_10]: Without the sex, to produce 25 bombs, atomic bombs a year, 250 bombs in a decade.
[SPEAKER_10]: Ladies and gentlemen, 1999 is running out.
[SPEAKER_10]: The Iran will be capable of 95.
[SPEAKER_10]: Producing a film without importing anything, nuclear bombs within three to five years.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's like, you know, how Bernie was very disciplined and his with his message Medicare for all, so with with BB with Netanyahu, it was a run is a week away from having a nuclear bomb, and that's his slogan.
[SPEAKER_17]: Of course, the difference is that it was a time dependent on like Medicare for all, so every time after the first time he said it, he was he was wrong, but he, but he stuck with it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and because he stuck with it, then so had the Trump administration, which basically perits whatever the Israeli line is.
[SPEAKER_07]: And it's not threatening to basically use its military as in Israeli proxy, that like all these young.
[SPEAKER_07]: U.S. soldiers being sent off to war, they're doing this on behalf of that guy, Benjamin Netanyahu, not on behalf of any conceivable American national interest.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, and I just also want to point out that Iran may be at 60% enrichment, but they haven't chosen as far as we know publicly, at least, to pursue a bomb.
[SPEAKER_17]: And it's likely as we've been saying that they're doing this to the, you know, their development is for deterrence capabilities and it's interesting because the, the Supreme leader has not lifted the fatwa against making nuclear weapons.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, of course, yes, and this has been a U.S. intelligence conclusion going back to 2003.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's when there was an assessment done and it was that Iran has abandoned a new club weapons program.
[SPEAKER_07]: And the assessment hasn't changed since then, Trump's top intelligence official tells the gathered affirm that last March when she went for Congress and said, Iran does not have a new club weapons program.
[SPEAKER_07]: And the Fatwa Gensucle weapons has not been
[SPEAKER_07]: The only reason why Iran would ever think about going to nuclear weapons is because of the constant threats of attacks from the US and Israel.
[SPEAKER_07]: So it's only, if anybody has a nuclear and Iranian nuclear weapons program, it's Donald Trump, like constantly threatening to attack Iran.
[SPEAKER_07]: Even though Iran does not have one, they keep saying, we don't want one.
[SPEAKER_07]: They've offered so many compromises to put this in writing, and it's only Trump that has refused it.
[SPEAKER_07]: they keep threatening war over a threat that they themselves are solely creating.
[SPEAKER_17]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_17]: And it reminds me, if you know, we've had guests on who talked about this, how you know, the West definitely had actors and insigators in the Iran protests.
[SPEAKER_17]: And part of the reason why some suspected was besides wanting to foment regime change, obviously.
[SPEAKER_17]: is that they were hoping that this would provoke a crackdown by the government, which then they could use as justification for regime changing Iran.
[SPEAKER_17]: And this is similar, right?
[SPEAKER_17]: They're basically provoking nuclear developments.
[SPEAKER_17]: And then they get to point to that as a reason that they should regime change Iran.
[SPEAKER_07]: exactly right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, let's hear more from Steve Wickoff.
[SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, as you listen to, like, part of the question, is this guy a diplomat or is he a mafia underboss?
[SPEAKER_07]: I think that's the question from comments like these.
[SPEAKER_16]: We have red lines here from the US.
[SPEAKER_16]: How about over with Iran?
[SPEAKER_07]: The President asked me that this morning.
[SPEAKER_07]: And, by the way, and he's being interviewed by Trump's
[SPEAKER_17]: Keep in the family.
[SPEAKER_07]: If you're going to have state TV, you want us to put the president's family on TV, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: It's very fitting.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: Back to see what comes.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's, I don't want to use the word frustrated.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's almost because he understands.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's got plenty of alternatives.
[SPEAKER_05]: But it's curious.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's curious.
[SPEAKER_17]: such mob boss language like you were saying I don't want to say frustrated because he's got plenty of options like you can't even present any suggest any kind of vulnerability like being frustrated wouldn't apply that he's not in control of everything so he's not really frustrated but he's curious as we'll go out to hear he's curious as to why they haven't I don't want to use the word capitulated but why they haven't capitulated why under this sort of pressure with the amount of
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't want to use the, we're capitulated, but why haven't they capitulated?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, we're threatening them with destruction, like any good mafia Don would, and they haven't, they haven't bent the knee.
[SPEAKER_07]: Why is that?
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, I don't want to use the work capitulate, but I'm going to have to use the work capitulate.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: It really is, you know, I don't want to use the work capitulated here, but why haven't you capitulated?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like it's anyway, see power, naval power that we have over there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Why haven't come to us and said, we profess that we don't want to be, we don't want to weapon.
[SPEAKER_05]: So here's what we're prepared to do and yet it's hard to sort of get them to that place.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, it's not hard to sort of get them to that place.
[SPEAKER_07]: They've done that.
[SPEAKER_07]: They've offered you so many deals over and over and over, including having other countries involved in enrichment, like Russia and other countries in the region.
[SPEAKER_07]: So he's just lying there's teeth there that Iran has an offered proposals.
[SPEAKER_07]: They want to have just some enrichment, just even to preserve.
[SPEAKER_07]: And that's the concept we can't understand.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're national sovereignty and pride, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: is done for things like medical research and powering medical facilities.
[SPEAKER_07]: And they want to be able to preserve that at the very minimum.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: If he's spending so much money on it, and they say he can't understand why they haven't just surrendered.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: This thug-ish country, threatened with war, well, it's because people have sovereignty and they have self respect.
[SPEAKER_17]: He understands it, I think he's disgusted by it.
[SPEAKER_17]: He doesn't believe in it.
[SPEAKER_17]: He thinks it's not for Iranians.
[SPEAKER_17]: And you know, another thing is they put money in it, but also as a Rachi point it out earlier, they've put a lot, I mean, people have died.
[SPEAKER_17]: This is another disgusting thing and just disgusting colonial hubris that we've just taken out nuclear scientists.
[SPEAKER_07]: They there have been so many Iranian nuclear scientists assassinated by Israel and yeah, the tarps support obviously when you when you do things like that countries will do will be resilient and develop a sense of pride and don't just want to take orders from these foreign aggressor states.
[SPEAKER_07]: So the fact that Steve Woodcup understands that speaks to why he should not be in the diplomat business.
[SPEAKER_07]: He should be he should be a mafia under boss threatening people and not understanding when they don't.
[SPEAKER_07]: been the knee.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, that's what a Mafia cop-o does.
[SPEAKER_07]: Not a diplomat.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, and remember, this is Steve Wickoff was very, uh, he was spelling over the fact that he got to what's introduced and speak in an event in a massage officer.
[SPEAKER_17]: Was that?
[SPEAKER_07]: No, it was worse than that.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's like, he's like, oh, oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_07]: I I wish my Jewish mother was here because the flamm ahead of the massage clap for me.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to be for Climps.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, pathetic.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: And now he's
[SPEAKER_07]: with Iran.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's so effective.
[SPEAKER_17]: So, so impartial.
[SPEAKER_17]: Can you imagine being Iran and seeing stuff like that being like, oh, I'm so glad this guy's negotiating.
[SPEAKER_07]: Wow, imagine being American and seeing it like you're you're talking about is like poking up because some former Israeli spook is clapping for him.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's just.
[SPEAKER_07]: So it's so embarrassing for everybody.
[SPEAKER_07]: I know.
[SPEAKER_17]: By the way, guys, if you like the callbacks and the deep cuts like the ones that we just offered, plus the analysis of Erin's clothing, and not to mention the student political analysis, please give a like, less than half of you have liked.
[SPEAKER_17]: And I do not believe for a second that most of you are hey watching, but right now we've got about two thirds of you
[SPEAKER_17]: have not hit that press the like button.
[SPEAKER_17]: And that is demoralizing, but it's also just a way to hit back at the algorithmic suppression.
[SPEAKER_17]: So if you want to let the tech grows win and that coke grow a palentier and the like, then you're doing a good job by not liking.
[SPEAKER_17]: But if you want to be on the side, the right side of history, then like,
[SPEAKER_07]: All right, so it's not on the right set of history.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think most people with a conscience could agree is Congress member Brian Mast.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's the guy who he serves in Congress, he's a US war veteran, but he's also an Israeli war veteran.
[SPEAKER_07]: He volunteered with the idea of, and
[SPEAKER_07]: He loves Israel.
[SPEAKER_07]: Didn't he wear an IDF's uniform to Congress?
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, he did.
[SPEAKER_07]: OK, yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: So anyway, here he is with his thoughts on the threat of the new regime change war against Iran.
[SPEAKER_07]: And guess what?
[SPEAKER_07]: He's pretty confident that one is on the way.
[SPEAKER_15]: Thank you for your service to our great nation.
[SPEAKER_15]: What are you expecting in terms of the US potentially striking Iran?
[SPEAKER_22]: So I expect number one that diplomacy continues.
[SPEAKER_22]: You have Kushner, you have Bwickoff meeting in Geneva.
[SPEAKER_22]: It's trying to offer, here's the off ramp.
[SPEAKER_22]: You have to end nuclear enrichment.
[SPEAKER_22]: You have to bend ballistic missile program.
[SPEAKER_22]: Stop having the eye atola kill your people.
[SPEAKER_22]: Stop threatening the United States of America.
[SPEAKER_22]: I don't think they'll take that off ramp.
[SPEAKER_22]: I think we end up using the capabilities of our two care battle groups that are in the region.
[SPEAKER_22]: When that timeline hits to say, the threat to America comes to an end.
[SPEAKER_22]: It's destruction or diplomacy.
[SPEAKER_22]: It's one or the other.
[SPEAKER_22]: And I think they choose destruction.
[SPEAKER_15]: So just to be the end.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: So Iran's going to choose destruction.
[SPEAKER_07]: But by which he means we're going to choose destruction because we don't care about diplomacy at all.
[SPEAKER_07]: And that's what we're making all these demands that are impossible to fulfill.
[SPEAKER_07]: Because so he's saying it's not just nuclear.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's also stop killing your people.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, wouldn't it be great if we could actually abide by that ourselves first against our protesters?
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, we're in a good and many others.
[SPEAKER_07]: But second of all, so missing there is the fact that we help fuel these protests.
[SPEAKER_07]: in which people do get killed by destroying their economy, a Scott Bess in the Treasury Secretary, bragged about.
[SPEAKER_07]: And also, if Mike Pompeo's to be believed, arming infiltrators and trying to provoke a government crack down and literally supporting people who did kill government forces because in the death toll,
[SPEAKER_07]: of whatever it is, like numbers vary, but the Iranian government said it's over 3000.
[SPEAKER_07]: A number of them were security forces who were killed by armed protesters, which of course it never mentioned in these conversations.
[SPEAKER_17]: If Mike Pompeo and Israeli officials are to be believed.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, exactly, exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: Because Israeli officials said that we armed protesters.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, more Brian Mas.
[SPEAKER_15]: clear the president has given a deadline of the first week in March.
[SPEAKER_15]: You are expecting a strike from the United States on Iran.
[SPEAKER_22]: I expect that Iran does not take the diplomatic offer and that it comes to a strike for the president to protect the homeland of the United States of America, which absolutely this is against an imminent threat.
[SPEAKER_07]: Again, okay, notice we just said there.
[SPEAKER_07]: Now he's saying we have to bomb Iran to protect the home
[SPEAKER_07]: Now, the obvious question there is, how does Iran threaten the homeland of the U.S. has run ever attacked the U.S. can Iran even attacked the U.S. if it wanted to know, it's missiles can't even reach here.
[SPEAKER_17]: And by the way, and yet it's an imminent threat, Aaron.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, and and when Iran has attacked the U.S. the last two times, what did it do?
[SPEAKER_07]: It gave advance notice.
[SPEAKER_07]: When Iran was forced to retaliate to U.S. aggression when Trump killed Gotham Soleimani in his first term, and then a second term when he bombed Iran, the last year in both times, Iran gave the U.S. advance notice so that the U.S. military bases that happen to be near Iran threatening Iran were empty of U.S. forces so that nobody would be killed.
[SPEAKER_07]: So that's the threat that Iran poses, that they give advance notice to it.
[SPEAKER_07]: So it's not to kill anybody.
[SPEAKER_07]: When they're forced to respond to U.S. aggression.
[SPEAKER_07]: But even the idea that we're defending the homeland, it's not even true because Iran can't even hit the US homeland, not that it would ever want to, but even if it wanted to, it can't, it doesn't have the capacity to.
[SPEAKER_07]: So it's a threat basically to the US military bases that are used to attack it.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's the threat that Iran poses.
[SPEAKER_22]: The American people, I can give one example of Americans literally killed the end of the beginning of 2024, three American service members killed by the hand of Iran while they were in Jordan.
[SPEAKER_22]: That's one example.
[SPEAKER_22]: Continue real attempts.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, so his example there for how Iran's threat to the US is that three American soldiers were killed at a US military base in Jordan, okay, so first of all, not Jordan's not the US homeland, last time I checked Jordan's in the Middle East, not the continent of the United States.
[SPEAKER_17]: Technically, yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Now, why were those US military forces, first of all, were they killed by Iran?
[SPEAKER_07]: No, they were killed by.
[SPEAKER_07]: a local militia that was in Syria, which is Syrian, or maybe Iraqi, but the idea that Iran was behind this, that's not, at least that's not proven.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's possible, I don't know, but it's chilling out proven.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's edible.
[SPEAKER_07]: Why are those U.S. military forces in Jordan?
[SPEAKER_07]: They're there because that base was used as part of the dirty war on Syria, which the US wage to overthrow a key ally of Iran.
[SPEAKER_07]: And the aim of that war was to actually draw an Iran and his Bala to bleed them and to destroy a state that was in the acts of resistance, which is, which also includes Iran.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then drawing Iran, which then can make it easier to have regime change inside Iran.
[SPEAKER_07]: attack that the U.S. created itself by being aggressive against Iran as a reason for Iran as a threat to the U.S. that happened in Jordan, not even in the U.S. And also why you want to like Nate, you want to go for a body count?
[SPEAKER_17]: Like why do you mention on the Iranians the U.S. has killed?
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh sure, I mean last June alone.
[SPEAKER_07]: The death toll was what over a thousand, including many civilians, Israel with US support bombed the prison where a lot of political prisoners are held and killed some of them.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's like it's a speaking of like, you know, treating protesters as well.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, how about how we treat Iranian protesters, including by killing them?
[SPEAKER_07]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_07]: The hypocrisy and the lies, you just like, like you have to stop these clips every two seconds
[SPEAKER_22]: We think first to fly drones to our merchant marine fleet drones to our Navy vessels.
[SPEAKER_22]: You name it.
[SPEAKER_22]: They are constantly threatening America.
[SPEAKER_22]: And the president says no more.
[SPEAKER_22]: This comes to an end.
[SPEAKER_22]: He is always about protecting the homeland and about protecting our people.
[SPEAKER_22]: And this is no different.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: All of a sudden now a US military base in Jordan used for a proxy war in Syria is now the US homeland.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's a very, I mean, the US is already a big country within its continental borders, but I mean, stretching it all the way to Jordan the Middle East is a very, very big homeland to protect it.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_17]: Well, the sun never sets on the American Empire.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, I guess not.
[SPEAKER_15]: And of course, we saw him stick to his promises when he tried to give them a timeline to end their nuclear ambitions and ultimately had to direct our military to strike and do
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: So now she, so the Fox News host here, Maria Guargaramo is saying Trump had no choice but to bomb Iran last June.
[SPEAKER_07]: When he pretended to engage in diplomacy in order to bomb Iran.
[SPEAKER_07]: So now she's saying like, you know, he tried diplomacy, but he had no choice to to bomb.
[SPEAKER_07]: So now pretending to engage in diplomacy is now according to Fox News and active good faith by Trump.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_17]: And of course, she's a stickler for keeping promises only for one side.
[SPEAKER_15]: Destroy much of that facility, facilities.
[SPEAKER_22]: President told Iran and your nuclear weapons program.
[SPEAKER_22]: They chose not to do it.
[SPEAKER_22]: He gave him a certain number of days.
[SPEAKER_22]: Israel closed the skies over Iran and then America brought in the B2 bombers.
[SPEAKER_22]: A capability only we had and destroyed that infrastructure obliterated it.
[SPEAKER_15]: And Secretary of State, Marca Rubio is going to be meeting.
[SPEAKER_07]: Again, they don't have a new chloropins program.
[SPEAKER_07]: You can US intelligence says that.
[SPEAKER_07]: And now there's a contradiction.
[SPEAKER_07]: Because now they're saying we obliterated their program, but yet they have a program and it's a week away from a bomb.
[SPEAKER_07]: So again, they got to pick a line.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're really going to pick a line.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like Steve McCoff, we heard him say earlier that they're a week away.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, again, Trump told us to actually, the program was obliterated.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: So,
[SPEAKER_17]: They got to get their talking points in order.
[SPEAKER_07]: They really don't have that straight.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_15]: With Benjamin Netanyahu in Israel in the coming week, can you assess specifically what the threat is?
[SPEAKER_15]: What is Iran trying to do?
[SPEAKER_22]: Iran is doing what they're always trying to do any place that they can use one of their proxies, the hoothees, Hezbollah, arm them, train them, and then direct them to kill Americans.
[SPEAKER_22]: They will do it.
[SPEAKER_22]: If they can attack our merchant marine fleet or our Navy vessels, they will do it.
[SPEAKER_22]: They constantly chant as we've all become so numb to, they'll say, death to America, they want to kill Americans, but they want the capabilities
[SPEAKER_22]: to kill Americans at an even higher rate with ballistic missiles with nuclear weapons.
[SPEAKER_22]: And that's not going to be allowed.
[SPEAKER_22]: And that's what that whole thing is about on top of which again.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's just such a lie again, even when they get attacked by the U.S. to go out of their way to not kill American soldiers.
[SPEAKER_07]: So what is he talking about?
[SPEAKER_07]: The one time when they they do engage in combat with the U.S. is when they're responding to aggression.
[SPEAKER_07]: And then they give the U.S. advanced
[SPEAKER_07]: They don't have nuclear weapons.
[SPEAKER_07]: They don't want nuclear weapons.
[SPEAKER_07]: They are in a agreement that Trump broke that ruled out nuclear weapons.
[SPEAKER_07]: So the spin here, the lies, it's just overwhelming.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's absolutely overwhelming.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, really it is.
[SPEAKER_17]: And again, we're allowed to kill them as many as we'd like with no justification.
[SPEAKER_17]: I mean, we haven't even mentioned costumes to a money, but they can't do anything to our people
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, they keep chanting, oh, you know, they chant death to America.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, yeah, at some rallies in Tehran, you will hear that sometimes.
[SPEAKER_07]: But what you will also hear from these people constantly, we have to over throw their government, death to the Iranian government, and not just words, but let's say one third of the U.S. Navy fleet to threaten Iran with destruction.
[SPEAKER_22]: They're killing and imprisoning tens of thousands of their people.
[SPEAKER_22]: It's time, I think, one way or another for this regime in Iran to come to a close.
[SPEAKER_22]: And I think it's inevitable that there is regime change there.
[SPEAKER_22]: But what we know about this administration, any action that they take, they take it because they meet the trigger of making sure that tomorrow is a better day, just like in Venezuela.
[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Ah, it's so touching.
[SPEAKER_17]: Oh, beautiful.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_17]: because it's so nice to see them that they're so concerned with tomorrow being a better day there, so concerned with the lives of the people in Iran and Venezuela who can doubt that and a way that they show that is by killing them.
[SPEAKER_07]: Exactly, like tomorrow's a better day, disclaimer, better day to just not apply to the many, many people who will die in a war that we want to put in Americans better day void for all those people who will die as a result of our decisions.
[SPEAKER_17]: Although I guess technically maybe they are making tomorrow a better day because when they do something really terrible, the next day, it's not happening.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, Brian Masks can try that one out.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: Time it goes on.
[SPEAKER_17]: I rose off the sound.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: On Fox News.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: Let's turn to Rokana.
[SPEAKER_07]: He is leading the congressional pushback to a threatened new regime change war in Iran.
[SPEAKER_07]: He spoke to Ali Boshik.
[SPEAKER_03]: with us tonight.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have to say my wag the dog antenna is up, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Donald Trump has lost face with the Supreme Court.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like he sometimes keeps these things in his back pocket.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm worried that if there's a attempt to attack Iran, which is a murderous, dictatorial, horrible regime, it might happen for all the wrong reasons.
[SPEAKER_07]: Great job, Alibill.
[SPEAKER_07]: She's adding a note in there.
[SPEAKER_07]: To make sure that you repeat all the regime change talking points while offering some criticism leveraging change.
[SPEAKER_17]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's that's what we can expect from like, at the peak end of establishment descent.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's right.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to I'm going to pair all the regime change talking points while also offering a critique of regime change.
[SPEAKER_17]: Great, exactly.
[SPEAKER_17]: That's like the furthest that you can to can get.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's being like they're evil, but regime change won't be
[SPEAKER_24]: Well, he's lost the trust of the American people on the Epstein matter.
[SPEAKER_24]: He's lost with the Supreme Court on tariffs.
[SPEAKER_24]: He has a big state of the union address coming up when he knows that the economy isn't working for most working class Americans.
[SPEAKER_24]: And so he puts out this threat.
[SPEAKER_24]: The problem is,
[SPEAKER_24]: that striking Iran has real consequences.
[SPEAKER_24]: It has real consequences for our troops in the area.
[SPEAKER_24]: It has real consequences for our allies.
[SPEAKER_24]: And he ran on a promise to end these wars of choice.
[SPEAKER_24]: He ran saying, we're not going to have regime change wars.
[SPEAKER_24]: And now he's betraying that promise.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's where I wrote, and that's a great message.
[SPEAKER_07]: Trump as the guy who was supposedly going to stop all these costly interventions, you know, he talked about how the U.S. has destroyed the Middle East cause all this carnage, waste all this money, sacrifice, U.S. soldiers, and now he's listening to the exact same people from Benjamin Netanyahu on down who are responsible for all these disastrous wars that he claimed to be against.
[SPEAKER_17]: Right.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_17]: It is an important message to put out there.
[SPEAKER_17]: And again, it's just so pathetic that you can't even ask a question.
[SPEAKER_17]: You can't even tee up a question like that without getting in how evil and dictatorial Iran is, which probably the way it really does prepare, like mentally psychologically, makes people war ready.
[SPEAKER_17]: It makes people that much more accepting of regime change.
[SPEAKER_17]: Even if you're, you know, your guest is opposing it.
[SPEAKER_17]: We have another Democrat, by the way, speaking not not not very forcefully speaking out against potential regime change.
[SPEAKER_17]: Let's hear what Pennsylvania governor Josh Shapiro had to say.
[SPEAKER_14]: The pain for the American people.
[SPEAKER_14]: I want to touch on Ford policy.
[SPEAKER_14]: I know you're governor, but it's important to everybody in the country.
[SPEAKER_14]: You've seen this massive buildup in the Middle East, the president threatening to strike Iran.
[SPEAKER_14]: Would you support that?
[SPEAKER_23]: I'd want to know what the president's goals are.
[SPEAKER_23]: I'd want to know what his objectives are.
[SPEAKER_23]: About the only thing we know now, thanks to reporting from you and others, is that there's been this massive buildup of military assets in the region.
[SPEAKER_23]: But we know the Iranians, these are the bad guys.
[SPEAKER_23]: These are the folks that are, these are the people who are the largest exporter of terrorism around the globe.
[SPEAKER_23]: You will find no sympathy from me when it comes to the Iranians, but what I want to see from our commander-in-chief is clear, purpose, clear intentions, clear directives, and I think he owes the American people that answer before engaging a military action.
[SPEAKER_17]: Again, this is a clear example of we just want regime change that has a good plan of action, we want to make sure we're prepared for it and this again is a guy who's a big supporter of Israel and he claims to care about terrorism I mean like who commits more terrorism.
[SPEAKER_17]: Iran or Israel.
[SPEAKER_17]: I mean, even if you look at their interactions, like back and forth, it's not comparable in terms of the civilians hit and the civilians targeted.
[SPEAKER_17]: And obviously, you know, very recently, besides like what they just do to Iran and what they do to the Palestinians, then you have the Patriotax and Lebanon, which is obviously terrorism, the 12-day war in Iran, assassinating, mediators in Doha.
[SPEAKER_17]: For some reason, for some reason, he doesn't consider that terrorism.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: In Gaza alone, we're by the way, recently, a study in the Lancet confirmed the obvious that the official death toll was far too low.
[SPEAKER_07]: And even these really militaries had to admit that the, that the death toll figures put out by the quote, quote, Hamas controlled health ministry.
[SPEAKER_07]: We're accurate and that they were using them, but even then the problem there is only that they're too low.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's not considered terrorism to commit mass murder against a civilian population for more than two years.
[SPEAKER_07]: But on issue of Iran and supporting terrorism, Larry Johnson, it was a former CIA officer.
[SPEAKER_07]: We've had him on the show before.
[SPEAKER_07]: He put an article recently based on the US government's own statistics.
[SPEAKER_07]: that show that, you know, U.S. defined terrorism committed by Iranian supporter groups, it pales in comparison to acts of terrorism as defined by the U.S. by Iran's enemies, including Al Qaeda, who the U.S. supported in Syria.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's why Trump just recently bragged that he put
[SPEAKER_07]: the new steering president, afman al-shara in office.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's the Trump recently said, I put him there.
[SPEAKER_07]: I essentially put him there.
[SPEAKER_07]: And al-shara, it came, Muhammad al-Jalani was ahead of al-Qaeda in Syria.
[SPEAKER_07]: And groups like that, which are backed by the U.S. Statistically, according to U.S. government's own figures, commit way more acts of terrorism than anything you can pin on a group associated with Iran.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, and not to mention, by the way, we need to mention killing civilians and yet been the extra judicial bombing of boats and the Pacific and the Caribbean.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's a long list.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's a very, very long list.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, let's turn to
[SPEAKER_07]: This was mentioned briefly earlier by Ali Balshi.
[SPEAKER_07]: Trump just lost at the Supreme Court ruling that his tariffs, which he's been imposing now for the last year are legal, that the authority under which he imposed his tariffs doesn't grant him that power.
[SPEAKER_07]: And so what did he do?
[SPEAKER_07]: He responded by announcing tariffs that are different authority.
[SPEAKER_07]: and saying that nothing can stop him.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, but because these tariffs were deemed to be unlawful, now the countries that paid up the tariffs and the companies, they're going to want some refunds because they basically paid a fee that the U.S. government was not allowed to collect.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, here's CNN's database, asking Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, whether a lot of money is about to be refunded.
[SPEAKER_25]: With the big question, will you refund the roughly $134 billion in revenue taken by these emergency tariffs?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Dana, that's not the big question.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just level set here.
[SPEAKER_02]: What the Supreme Court did was a very narrow reading of the presence of authority under the IEP tariffs.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have other tariff authorities, which had been functioning,
[SPEAKER_02]: section 232 tariff section 301 tariff and Dana, when you say it's a big question that's bad framing because the Supreme Court didn't even address that.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Supreme Court demanded it down to a lower court and we will follow what they say but that could be weeks or months when we hear them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the Supreme Court did not address refunds.
[SPEAKER_07]: All right, well, yeah, technically they didn't, but they did rule that the tariffs are illegal.
[SPEAKER_07]: And now there's going to be a lot of requests for refunds, including from not just companies and foreign governments, but also states.
[SPEAKER_07]: American states who feel as if their industries have suffered as a result of Trump tariffs.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, pretty embarrassing for Trump.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, he's not backing down.
[SPEAKER_07]: This is his trade representative, Jamison Greer.
[SPEAKER_07]: basically saying that, yeah, let's report may this decision, but who cares?
[SPEAKER_14]: But the 15 percent tariffs, of course, will expire at the end of July.
[SPEAKER_14]: That's about three months before the midterm.
[SPEAKER_14]: So what does President Trump do at the end of that period with midterms looming that have to be on his mind?
[SPEAKER_14]: He comes out and extends it.
[SPEAKER_14]: He comes out and announces more.
[SPEAKER_14]: This is not popular with the American people, and our latest poll, two-thirds of Americans are not happy with the tariffs.
[SPEAKER_11]: Well, the president's been campaigning on tariffs and protecting American industry for many years.
[SPEAKER_11]: And he does what he says.
[SPEAKER_11]: He delivers on his promises.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: And so the policy hasn't changed.
[SPEAKER_11]: The legal tool to implement it, that might change, but the policy hasn't changed.
[SPEAKER_07]: So yeah, that's basically the move we're going to just find it.
[SPEAKER_07]: So the Supreme Court ruled that you can't impose tariffs under this authority.
[SPEAKER_07]: So we're going to find a different authority to impose the same tariffs.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's so.
[SPEAKER_07]: So the tariff showdown will continue and
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, expect a lot more tariff talk now.
[SPEAKER_07]: This one is interesting.
[SPEAKER_07]: So a Jamison Greer was also interviewed by CBS News.
[SPEAKER_07]: And they asked them about some comments that Trump made.
[SPEAKER_07]: We're basically after the Supreme Court struck down his tariff authority.
[SPEAKER_07]: He accused the Supreme Court of working for essentially foreign interests.
[SPEAKER_07]: He also said that the decision was a shame to their families, which shall kind of like a threat to justice that he appointed to their families
[SPEAKER_07]: but Judges voted the wrong way on his terfs.
[SPEAKER_16]: The Supreme Court ruling that vote was six-three.
[SPEAKER_16]: The president, as you know, you were there, came out publicly and he railed against some of those justices by name.
[SPEAKER_16]: He said this on Friday, take a listen.
[SPEAKER_06]: The very unpatriotic and disloyal to our Constitution.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's my opinion that the court has been swayed by foreign interests and a political movement
[SPEAKER_16]: people would ever think that's a pretty huge allegation what foreign interest has corrupted the court, according to the present.
[SPEAKER_11]: Well, I won't characterize his words too much.
[SPEAKER_11]: He speaks for himself.
[SPEAKER_11]: What I will know what he's talking about.
[SPEAKER_11]: So money, so much.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, she's not asking to characterize them.
[SPEAKER_17]: She's asking him to lucidate them.
[SPEAKER_11]: So many of the interests that were at issue in this case were really about foreign importers or foreign foreign companies that have interest here in the U.S. who are suing the President and suing the administration.
[SPEAKER_11]: It's foreign companies that are benefiting from the tariffs being struck down.
[SPEAKER_11]: This is why when we impose tariffs, foreign countries don't like it and foreign companies don't like it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Several of them of working for these foreign interests.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's the allegation here.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's basically calling them traitors for what like I don't know like big soybean and Yeah, in Brazil I don't know what exactly there's supposed to be working for it's pretty extraordinary allegation Which of course the trade representative can't defend because it's so outlandous
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, because they're the ones that don't want to have the tariffs in place.
[SPEAKER_11]: They're the ones that are suing.
[SPEAKER_11]: They're the ones that are trying to get together.
[SPEAKER_11]: Coalition and groups who oppose what the president is doing.
[SPEAKER_11]: The president's fighting for American workers.
[SPEAKER_11]: He's trying to impose a trade policy that has a through line through the first Trump administration, Biden, and Trump with terrorists, but his foreign countries and companies that are suing that will cease things to go away.
[SPEAKER_16]: They are suing.
[SPEAKER_16]: But the president wasn't talking about them.
[SPEAKER_16]: The president was talking about the Supreme Court justices who he said are unpatriotic and disloyal and swayed by foreign interests.
[SPEAKER_16]: Do you have any evidence to that floor?
[SPEAKER_16]: That allegation about the Supreme Court justices who, as you know, face security threats on a daily basis?
[SPEAKER_11]: So when the foreign interests sue, they appear before the courts.
[SPEAKER_11]: They're literally arguing before the courts that they should have a different outcome.
[SPEAKER_07]: And because there are arguing before the courts for a certain position, that means that they're also bribing Supreme Court justices and getting them to do their bidding.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's essentially what Trump is saying here, but of course nobody can defend.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's, I mean, it's, it's got to be, I mean, projection, it must be projection.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, so I just said, that's a hard job to work for a boss who's constantly saying the most ridiculous things.
[SPEAKER_07]: And you, of course, don't want it to buy the boss because he acts like a mafia don, like he will throw you into the bus in a second.
[SPEAKER_07]: So you have to skillfully avoid defending the substance of what he's saying.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, also kind of defending it too because you don't want to make him angry.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's a tough dance.
[SPEAKER_17]: It really is.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, let's move ahead.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's enough tariff talk, I think, for for today.
[SPEAKER_07]: Let's go to, okay, yeah, clip number nine Wilson, because this is funny.
[SPEAKER_07]: We're supposed to live in a democracy, but as of late, a lot of things are happening to make us look like a dictatorship, including government buildings,
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm featuring and hanging up the president's beautiful portrait and CBS news had a little breakdown about.
[SPEAKER_16]: The Trump administration and its allies are well under way with an effort to affix the president's name to landmarks in the nation's capital, from the renamed Trump Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts to the newly-christ and Donald J. Trump Institute of Peace.
[SPEAKER_16]: But this past week marked a new development, a banner bearing Trump's portrait unfurled from the headquarters of the Department of Justice, similar to the massive posters already adorning the Department of Labor and Department of Agriculture.
[SPEAKER_16]: The Justice Department, it should be noted, is the office of the nation's top law enforcement officer, not the president's attorney.
[SPEAKER_16]: It's an unprecedented display, at least in America, but look overseas, look to history, and you might find some similar examples.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's true, it is a very dictated like thing.
[SPEAKER_07]: It is a feature of authoritarian countries to have the dear leader's face plastered everywhere.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_17]: And here's a good image.
[SPEAKER_17]: A good side by side.
[SPEAKER_17]: This is 1984.
[SPEAKER_17]: OK, that's an image from the film 1984.
[SPEAKER_17]: And here is Donald.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, they're going to go back.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, beautiful.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, I think we can expect a lot more of those images going up around the country.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, really truly making America great again, but yeah, what's going to stay our Donald Trump space.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, let's turn to bojo bojo.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yes, well, checking it on on Ukraine proxy, where this isn't from the study learning news shows, but we thought we'd hear from Board Johnson.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's the former prime minister of the UK.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's the guy who came over to Ukraine back in the spring of 2022.
[SPEAKER_07]: When Zelensky's government was negotiating with the Russian government on a peace deal to end the Russian invasion just a few weeks after it began.
[SPEAKER_07]: And Board Johnson said, hey, forget all that peace talk.
[SPEAKER_07]: Let's keep fighting food and we think we can defeat him.
[SPEAKER_07]: If you do reach a piece deal with Russia, we're not going to back you up.
[SPEAKER_17]: And this is type of thing that should be in the news and on the Sunday morning news shows, but of course it's not.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, so, you know, four years after that invasion, the worst still going on.
[SPEAKER_07]: so many deaths, Russia has taken about 20% of Ukraine.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's slowly taking more.
[SPEAKER_07]: And, uh, worse, Johnson has some more creative ideas about how to keep this work going.
[SPEAKER_07]: Or at least how the war should end, uh, in this case.
[SPEAKER_07]: And, uh, guess what, it involves another insane idea that, uh, would only promote more conflict.
[SPEAKER_21]: We're going to have a plan for boots on the ground, I may be going in advance of a lot of thinking in the UK at the moment, but if we're going to have a plan for boots on the ground, after the war after Putin has come descended to have a ceasefire, then
[SPEAKER_21]: Why not do it now?
[SPEAKER_21]: Just to make this point that it is up to Ukrainians, and these people wouldn't be there in a war fighting capacity, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: To be clear, you're saying that right now that UK military forces and from other European countries should go to Ukraine to save parts of Ukraine to make a statement to flip that switch, as you said, in Vladimir Putin's head showing intent.
[SPEAKER_21]: Yes, I think, you know, we're willing to do it in the context of a ceasefire, which of course puts all the initiative, all the power in Putin's hands.
[SPEAKER_21]: Why not do it now?
[SPEAKER_21]: There's no logical reason that I can see why we shouldn't send some peaceful ground forces that to show our
[SPEAKER_21]: support a quote, institutional support for free independent Ukraine.
[SPEAKER_07]: Just some peaceful ground forces from NATO right next to Russia.
[SPEAKER_07]: What could go wrong, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: It's a so absolutely pathetic.
[SPEAKER_07]: He is among those responsible for providing this war for blocking peaceful opportunities.
[SPEAKER_07]: And that is safe face to show that like Russia hasn't won that, you know, if the war finally ends one day and people stop being killed.
[SPEAKER_07]: After Boris Johnson helped sacrifice so many people, then we get to put some native forces on the ground just to show Russia, which of course Russia will never allow because Russia went to war in part to prevent more NATO close to its borders.
[SPEAKER_07]: So Boris Johnson is insisting on conditions that Russia will never allow.
[SPEAKER_07]: And if happened, we don't need promote more conflict, despite it's claim that a force from NATO would be peaceful right next to Russia.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_17]: Okay, more more creating excuses for war.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, let's turn back to Israel.
[SPEAKER_07]: The country that the Trump administration is threatening to fight another war over right now as it masses a huge military deployment near Iran, the largest US military deployment since the Iraq war and what is happening inside of Israel well among other things Israel just killed another American settlers in the West Bank the other day killed a 19 year old.
[SPEAKER_07]: American, born in Philadelphia, his name is Nassralla Abu Siyam.
[SPEAKER_07]: He was shot and killed by a masked Jewish settler in the occupied West Bank.
[SPEAKER_07]: Jasper Nathaniel, who's been in our show before, he's written about this extensively at his sub-stack infinite jazz.
[SPEAKER_07]: So go there for more details on this.
[SPEAKER_07]: But this is not the first time this has happened.
[SPEAKER_07]: a young Palestinian born in America, the American citizenship killed by an Israeli settler and the West Bank.
[SPEAKER_07]: And Congressman Brendan Boyle, he was on NBC and he was asked about this case.
[SPEAKER_04]: Congressman, sorry, one more quick question for you, and it is about a 19-year-old Palestinian American that was killed this week at the hands of Israeli settlers.
[SPEAKER_04]: His family actually lives in Philadelphia, and I just wanted to get your thoughts to it.
[SPEAKER_04]: The number of Americans being killed by Israeli settlers has increased over the years.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's been no accountability.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just wondering if that's something on your radar and how you plan to get accountability.
[SPEAKER_04]: His family is demanding justice.
[SPEAKER_04]: We haven't heard anything from American officials about this as of yet.
[SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, so I just became aware of this case literally in the last couple of hours.
[SPEAKER_19]: I certainly have not received any official notice from our own government whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_19]: It's only because of media reports that I'm even aware.
[SPEAKER_19]: The death or the killing of any U.S. citizen anywhere.
[SPEAKER_19]: regardless of that person's ethnic ancestry is deeply concerning, especially when it happens to be a city or a citizen of the city in which I represent.
[SPEAKER_19]: So I do believe there needs to be an honest and open investigation and frankly, our own government needs to have the backs of its own citizens regardless of where the killing takes place.
[SPEAKER_17]: Wow, that's so enlightened of him, regardless of the background of the victim.
[SPEAKER_17]: You're not allowed to kill them even if they're
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's amazing even as to make that qualification.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like he has to remind people and remind himself that like we're not allowed to be racist.
[SPEAKER_17]: Right, exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: Because we normalize Zionism, which does say that Jews are superior and then have the impunity kill as many Palestinian as they want.
[SPEAKER_07]: So he used to go out of his way and say, actually, yeah, we're actually not supposed to kill people regardless of what their ethnic background is, which is just another acknowledgement that like the like imperative of Zionism.
[SPEAKER_07]: rule over our political system, where Israel does give itself the right to kill the subhumans, aka the indigenous people whose land is real store.
[SPEAKER_07]: In this case, the kill, a young American, this is not the first time this has happened.
[SPEAKER_07]: And if previous cases are any guy, this will go absolutely
[SPEAKER_07]: nowhere.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, look at the case, whether it's a Palestinian American or a Caucasian American, like Rachel Cory, is where it gets to do this every single time with total impunity.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, and while, you know, Trump, we had on a great guest a couple weeks ago, who was from Missouri, I thought, where, which has been targeted by the settlers.
[SPEAKER_17]: And, you know, as we point it out, it's important to held two things in your brain at the same time.
[SPEAKER_17]: One is that the person who
[SPEAKER_17]: One of the victims, not this most recent one, but an actual Palestinian non-citizen, but we still care about them, had been sanctioned by Biden, and then that sanction was lifted by Trump.
[SPEAKER_17]: But at the same time, as people have pointed out, Biden's claim that if you harm an American, there will be consequences, was never enforced by Biden either.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_17]: So by partisan sanctioning or bipartisan acceptance, rubber stamping of killing American citizens, if it's done by Israel.
[SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: And someone who we can, I think, count on to do nothing about the killing of another American by Israel is the US ambassador to Israel who's supposed to represent people like the late Nastrala Abu Siyam in his family who, of course, get no justice.
[SPEAKER_07]: And that's my cookup.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's the US ambassador to Israel.
[SPEAKER_07]: And he's made some headlines over the weekend because he was interviewed by Tucker Carlson in which, I mean, it's a wild interview.
[SPEAKER_07]: unhinged and essentially sounds like he's working for Israel, not the U.S. government, which he basically is.
[SPEAKER_07]: And among the things he said in this interview with Tucker Carlson, was that Israel has every right to steal as much land in the Middle East.
[SPEAKER_07]: Not just Palestine and the West Bank Gaza, forget that.
[SPEAKER_07]: The entire Middle East, as Israel wants to, because that's what God divides.
[SPEAKER_07]: This is my country speaking of type of Carlson.
[SPEAKER_13]: countries that this particular area that we're talking about now is real is
[SPEAKER_13]: is a land that God gave through Abraham to a people that he chose.
[SPEAKER_13]: It was a people, a place, and a purpose.
[SPEAKER_13]: We can look at it that way.
[SPEAKER_13]: Christian Zionism, I want to go back because that's where we started.
[SPEAKER_12]: I'm not going to let you off on this because you have gone in three times that God gave this land to this people.
[SPEAKER_12]: And so it is entirely fair for me with respect to ask what land are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_12]: Because I just read Genesis 15 as I have many times.
[SPEAKER_12]: And that land, I think, it says from the Nile to the Euphrates, which is, once again, basically the entire Middle East.
[SPEAKER_12]: So God gave that land to his people to Jews or he didn't.
[SPEAKER_12]: You were saying he did, what does that mean?
[SPEAKER_12]: Does Israel have the right to that land?
[SPEAKER_12]: Because you're appealing to Genesis.
[SPEAKER_12]: You're saying that's the original deed.
[SPEAKER_12]: It would be fine if they took it all.
[SPEAKER_17]: I mean, let's pause the fact that, like, we're going to table the fact that we're making a see a credit argument.
[SPEAKER_17]: Uh, which is a little scary.
[SPEAKER_17]: I, I thought that we were supposed to have a separation of church and state, but whatever.
[SPEAKER_17]: Guess not.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, well, my talk could be he's making a clear credit argument that yeah, it's fine for you, if there is a little to take it off.
[SPEAKER_07]: And this has been awkward for all the states that are like essentially proxies of the US that host US military bases that are, they were like, hey, how come you're ambassador is claiming that Israel is right to steal our land like.
[SPEAKER_07]: We already a farm at our sovereignty to you.
[SPEAKER_07]: Can you not like make it so blatant that we have no sovereignty by saying that this was right to just take us all over.
[SPEAKER_07]: They've complained and this is and it's just so this is a US ambassador saying this.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's absolutely unhinged now.
[SPEAKER_07]: The Trump administration keeps saying that they can't negotiate and fair deal with their Ron, because Iran is so supposedly theocratic.
[SPEAKER_07]: So this was the U.S. Secretary of State, Marco Rubio just a few days ago saying this about Iran.
[SPEAKER_01]: prefers peaceful outcomes and negotiated outcomes to things.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a president that's shown his willingness to talk to anyone and meet with anyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think if there's an opportunity here to diplomatically reach an agreement that addresses the things we're concerned about, we will be very open and welcoming to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't want to overstate it either.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're dealing, you know, it's been very difficult for anyone to do real deals with Iran because we're dealing with radical Chia clerics who are making theological decisions not geopolitical ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's see what happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope it works out.
[SPEAKER_01]: We all hope it works out.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, okay, so how's Santa Claus this end is honest?
[SPEAKER_07]: So first of all, it has been hard to make a deal with Iran because there was a deal with Iran that you broke.
[SPEAKER_07]: under the first term administration when you abandon the Iran nuclear deal.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, hey, it's not true.
[SPEAKER_07]: You can't make a deal with the Iran.
[SPEAKER_07]: Be, if you're going to complain about someone making theocratic decisions, look in the mirror at your own ambassador saying that Israel is the right to steal as much land as it wants them at least because God says so.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's just so typical.
[SPEAKER_17]: They always do this.
[SPEAKER_17]: It's like what's the same thing with a new atheist, right?
[SPEAKER_17]: Like, um, um,
[SPEAKER_17]: Bill Mar, for example, they always pretend that they're anti-religion, but actually they're not anti-religion, they're anti-Islam, and to similar thing, they pretend that they're anti-theocracy, but they're not anti-theocracy, they're, uh, theocracy for me, not they.
[SPEAKER_07]: So listen, the sonan puts them make here, and we have to wrap this show.
[SPEAKER_07]: So let's just close on this.
[SPEAKER_07]: My cock could be.
[SPEAKER_07]: making another unhinged theocratic statement in defense of Israel would be a great opportunity for Democrats who wanted to point out just how nuts it is that our government says stuff like this claims a divine right for a foreign apartheid state to steal the people's land.
[SPEAKER_07]: But Democrats are not in the business of challenging Israel and in fact this just came out.
[SPEAKER_07]: that Democrats didn't release their autopsy report on why they lost in 2024, in part because it showed that they lost that election because of their support for the genocide in Gaza.
[SPEAKER_07]: This is the headline from Axios.
[SPEAKER_07]: Scoop, DNC officials working on seek report found Gaza
[SPEAKER_07]: Who could have predicted that?
[SPEAKER_07]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_07]: That we're refusing to distance herself from Joe Biden, who refused to distance himself from his relative genocide, could have cost Kamala Harris the election.
[SPEAKER_07]: And this is what we were saying constantly that I'm on top of morally politically made sense for Kamala Harris to just say,
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to do things differently.
[SPEAKER_07]: Joe Biden's Joe Biden.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to be a different president who comes to supporting Israeli genocide and she wouldn't do it.
[SPEAKER_07]: And now we learn that the NC, their own autopsy, which they refused to release, found that this helped cost her the election.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, who could have seen that coming?
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, and I'm sure the Democrats will take
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, they, and you know, and the, this autopsy report was conducted a few months ago.
[SPEAKER_07]: And if you remember, they were like, yeah, you know, we did the report.
[SPEAKER_07]: We're not going to release it, though, because we want to move on, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: No, right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, now we can see exactly why they didn't release the report because they confirmed what people like us were saying and many others that like, hey, not only is it just morally egregious to support genocide, it was publicly costly.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_17]: Now, you know, an autopsy is when you look at like some one dead.
[SPEAKER_17]: And to continue this metaphor, if you cared about reviving the Democratic party, you would look at how they died, right?
[SPEAKER_17]: It's not just looking back for the sake of looking back and being the styles of competing yourself up.
[SPEAKER_17]: Anyone who cares about defeating Trump, which is what these people claim, would want to look at how that happened so they doesn't get repeated.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, I'm sure if someone ever brought this report to Kamal Harris to say, hey, you know, this, enter her age as well because this is not just on them.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm sorry, Sam.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm Kamal, this is on her age as well.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like this is a collective decision.
[SPEAKER_07]: say, hey, yeah, you standing shoulder to shoulder with Israel as a committed genocide, how the cost of the election, common Harris might say, I'm speaking, I'm speaking.
[SPEAKER_17]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_07]: Not one here.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think that's what we're seeing from Democrats and how they're responding to this own internal need produced report that their support for genocide helped cost them the election to Donald J Trump another time.
[SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_17]: who was the American or Miss California, she was on Trump's religious freedom panel.
[SPEAKER_17]: She was removed because she basically challenged
[SPEAKER_17]: people who are claiming that anti-synism is anti-Semitism.
[SPEAKER_17]: So I'll be having her on as well as Rabbi Yakov Shapiro and Samira Munchi.
[SPEAKER_17]: And they're all people who are on the religious freedom panel or were invited to be on it or tried to be on it.
[SPEAKER_17]: But she has been in the news because she's refusing to to abide by the claim that anti-synism is anti-Semitism.
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