[SPEAKER_01]: Hello everyone, welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole with quark decks and their good friends, Tom and Harry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Your hosts for today are my fellow Trek actors, Armin Shimmerman, Robert Duncan McNeil, and myself, Garrett Wong, for the complete and exciting and
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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys are getting very good at this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're sort of, you know, we're giving it a little picture.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what, I was, I was riffing a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was jazzing it up because I was thinking to be being a little Cisco and, yeah, you were with, especially with your, you're, that was very Cisco.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did I pull both of you in?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't know when it was gonna end.
[SPEAKER_02]: I should've added a Cisco.
[SPEAKER_02]: Woo!
[SPEAKER_01]: At the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: Woo!
[SPEAKER_01]: Something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here we are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good to see you, Armand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice to see you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice to be seeing you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like your sweatshirt.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: That sweatshirt looks very good on you.
[SPEAKER_02]: For those of you who are listening, Armand is wearing his Delta Flyers Defiant hoodie, which is a beautiful design.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm very defiant.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you are.
[SPEAKER_00]: And is comfortable, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very comfortable.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually wear it quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not just wearing it for this, but I wear it quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's very, very comfortable.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's one of the things, Armand, that we always try to go for is the highest quality fabric and comfort that we can find.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, no use getting an itchy, you know, sweatshirt.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, it's really comfortable stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Check it out on the Delta Flyer store.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, at thedeltafliers.org, you can go and check out our store.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's T-shirts, sweatshirts, sweatshirts, sweatshirts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do we have money?
[SPEAKER_02]: We're still in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Poetry, boy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure that we have a ton right now, and that's a reminder for people to check it out because we do sell out.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have millions of things, it's not endless.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we make these unlike some of the T-shirts or sweatshirt companies that sort of
[SPEAKER_01]: make it as it's ordered.
[SPEAKER_01]: We get good quality stuff and just order what we order.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, get it before it's gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we have some birthdays we need to go through right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: So as we do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's just start off right now by saying on February 26th, that is let's mention the actual day.
[SPEAKER_02]: February 26th is a wonderful day because that is a day that Matt Edmunds was born happy birthday, Matt.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday, Matt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, Matt.
[SPEAKER_01]: We also have on March 7th, Stacey Davis was born on March 7th, Happy Birthday, Stacey.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy Birthday, Stacey.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's going to be very long episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gary's going to long gate all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Robby, let's hear your wonderful limerick.
[SPEAKER_02]: I struggled with this limerick a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: You always say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you never struggle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been in a role.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just found my groove.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this one was a little trickier.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see how it lives.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to write and drive as far as you've driven this week.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of driving and traveling and moving and yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: My Limerick for the begot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo said, I will parent this goo.
[SPEAKER_01]: More a wanted to help.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo said FU.
[SPEAKER_01]: More a style dominate, Odo's style validate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, shape shiftings only part of what's new.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of my favorites.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is this?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like a toy you in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is so different.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so different.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so good too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh really?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it started with, I will parent this goo.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could have had it along gate the vowel.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could have said, I will parent this goo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, if you're going to start with that, why don't you start with the first vowel?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, don't said, I will parent this goo like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think you did a good job.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually quite, it's very economical in terms of the amount of words you used.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost the size of a high goo in a way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did more a style, dominate, auto style, validate.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a, it's very concise, high-couish.
[SPEAKER_02]: High-couish, very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here is my high-cou for the begotten.
[SPEAKER_02]: Quark sells a changeling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dr. Mora offers help.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, don't complete now.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got the vows along, vowl and dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the whole gist of the story is, won't you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next up, Harmon, with his etymology.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: McGotton obviously comes from the word Begett, and the source of Begett is Tutonic and Old English.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it actually sounds a little like Begetton, Begetton, Begetton.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, yet, would have been pronounced in old English, be it, be it, as opposed to be it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The definition of forget and begotten is procreated.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the first use of that word was in 1382.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also want to say, this is the wrong word for this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, begotten means procreated as I just said, and that means something that was created and established, but in this episode, the two babies, if we call them that, were not begotten by anyone, or the care of baby, is not hers, she's just a carrier, and we don't know who begot the changing baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, but there is one third person, I'm getting ahead of myself, but there is one third person that was begotten, Garrett referred to that in his high coup, and that is Odo, Odo is begotten at the end of the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: So doing perspective.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So then the title would just be on the gotten.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I put my notes should be on the gotten for Odo who is begotten.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: We should use begotten or beget more in our daily lives if we can.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we learn from Armin, all of the deep meaning of these words and it makes them more useful to us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think one reason people don't use some of these words, you know, any more or as time goes by is they forget what the connections are and the meanings of them are.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, thanks, Armin.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I study foreign languages, the words that I study are the ones I remember because I'm studying them and I'm using them when I'm trying to learn new languages.
[SPEAKER_00]: But all the other words because I don't use them are forgotten.
[SPEAKER_00]: So because we don't use them, they become forgotten.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I understand from my Shakespeare studies that Shakespeare used exponentially more words than the normal human being every uses Mainly because words were being created at that time, and they were having great time making words up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to pick an old fashioned word and use it during this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to pick, I'm looking up words that have been forgotten.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was, I love the word it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, is that mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of, oh, how used to know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, forgive me if I'm wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was, it was, it was your gram, it was your gram Dan had a worse or match, Richard III says.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a word I may use during this podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a forgotten word that needs to be needs to come back and it is the word Brable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brable.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know Brable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brable means to argue or discuss something loudly that is unimportant to Brable.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think during this podcast we will find ourselves Brabling about something unimportant and I'm going to use that word.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just giving you a heads up and I'm going to bring back the word Brattle in this podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we should make a Brattle T shirt now, Rubby.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really do.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are going to Brattle along to find Brablers.
[SPEAKER_02]: The book got in Brablers, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about let's talk about who wrote this written by Renee Neshavaria directed by Hesus Savodotra Vigno, and we have guest stars, Rosalind Chow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kiko Brian.
[SPEAKER_02]: We also have Duncan Reggae as Shikar, Peggy Roder as Yipora.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have James Sloyan as Dr. Mora.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now a little bit trivia for you guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kira was fine with giving the baby up to the O'Brien's, but Nena visited her thought this was unrealistic.
[SPEAKER_02]: She believed that Kira would feel an attachment to the child, so she asked Iris to even bear to change the script, which resulted in the final scene of the episode, the one between Kira.
[SPEAKER_02]: and Odo.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's that's a case of wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting timing because she had just had her baby on month before this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sure when she reads this script and is reading about, you know, oh, I don't
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not attached to this baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure she thinks about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Totally makes that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But she just went through it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she felt just a major attachment with her own job.
[SPEAKER_01]: How could I possibly carry a baby?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if it's biologically my baby or not I've been carrying that baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also interesting to me as far as politics goes in the seven years that I worked on the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Except for Avery, I never realized anyone else had the ability to go to the writers and change a script.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, I know Renée, if he did, I never heard about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is news to me about, um, about Nena.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next up under trivia, Renée Obozinoa has stated in interviews that this was one of the most memorable episodes he ever filmed for this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: and it is a memorable performance as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agreed very much so next bit of trivia.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the first time in the series that Terry Farrow does not appear in an episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: So no decks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's a first and very... And no Molly either.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting to me that there's no Molly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I didn't even think of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, Molly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, no, Seroclofton.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well it's interesting those two characters, Jake and Molly kind of line up with what I think is missing.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get into it as we talk about the episode, but yeah, yeah, that's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's dive into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just a quick addendum.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that would be a great name for a restaurant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jake and Molly's, I don't know, just it's only a head.
[SPEAKER_02]: okay did you know that sarak was a restaurant tour yes that's why I did not yeah I'm very I'm very dismayed that I never was able to go there I heard the food I did make it good food was good yes yeah wasn't sarak's restaurant in Culver City ish yes yes it was in Culver City yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, that's a bummer I did get to go, but you were able to support him there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a wonderful man.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's wonderful to me to see how that 14-year-old when I met him or actually even younger grew up to be such an extraordinary man.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just extraordinary.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whenever he speaks, I'm all ears.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's jump into this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Robé.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do.
[SPEAKER_01]: We start in the infirmary.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Otto enters the infirmary.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is, he's kind of in pain or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, he's kind of, he thinks he's dying.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Bashir tells him, you've got a pinched nerve.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Otto's very dramatic in this scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that Bashir suggests that he needs to do warfstretching class, which I didn't know warf had a stretching class, but I'd love to see that scene with
[SPEAKER_01]: running a stretching class, I think that'd be funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: But quirk arrives, he's got something that in his hands that he traded for, and it's this container with some goo inside or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't see right away, keeps it a secret for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, keeps it a secret, but it's a changeling.
[SPEAKER_01]: in this small container because Odo says at the end of the scene, it's a baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but Quark thinks he's dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: The changed thing is dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quark does cause it's black and it's dark.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so funny now that Odo is a human.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's dealing with human issues and problems.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this whole beginning scene when he comes in hobbling and he's is back.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's hurting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just kind of reminds me of my life when I turned 50, and all my joints and everything failing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very relatable, very very very very.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the writers purposely do that to remind you, because God knows, both Terry and I forgot.
[SPEAKER_00]: We took discuss this once.
[SPEAKER_00]: We both forgot that Otto had lost his abilities for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the writers needed to remind the audience that Otto was human and certainly ex-impanes are humans.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, just a quick little reminder for everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, later on after the opening credits, we see that this blue or black goo is on top of some kind of pulsing device, but now it's turned orange, it's starting to turn orange.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco is there, he is fascinated by this baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: Beshear explains that it was exposed to massive amounts of tetrion radiation.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why it was that blue black color, but it's coming back.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was exposed to massive amounts of tetrion radiation.
[SPEAKER_01]: and he's going to have to purge the isotopes with an electrophoretic diffuser.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a wonderful, you know, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: for shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: He got a lot of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he did well.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did well.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did well.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did well.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was good with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he was, um, uh, Odo says that when he came, uh, to the Alpha Quadrant, he was the same size, but he grew.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Cisco suggests in the scene, we should turn it over to Starfleet to learn about change
[SPEAKER_01]: auto sort of pauses.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, no, I would prefer to do this alone.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Cisco ends the scene saying it's auto's call, whatever he wants to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now there's a presumption in there that rancals me.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, rancals.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to babble right now?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, babble, bab
[SPEAKER_00]: Why does Starfleet have any say about this item that belongs to Odo?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's bought it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's his possession.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you can't call an ascension being a possession.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Starfleet has no right to tell Odo what to do with his merchandise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's more complicated than just Starfleet decides.
[SPEAKER_01]: that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have to negotiate with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have to ask.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have to ask and say can we examine him?
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't presume that because Starfleet wants it, they now can take.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, great.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a valid quable.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a Bramble.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a Bramble.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bramble.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also noticed in this scene, Odo has the align where he says, what better way to gauge another race than to see how it treats the weak and vulnerable, which I really liked.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that perspective.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very starfleet.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's from Odo's personal experience, you know, he was weak and vulnerable when he arrived.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I like that they threw in that perspective in the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: A little later, we're still in the, where were we like the science lab or science lab.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard for me to tell the difference in those sets sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I couldn't, I couldn't, I in my notes, it's sometimes sick, but it's sometimes science lab.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to tell.
[SPEAKER_01]: But maybe this science lab is just an offshoot of sick bay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's a corner.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a redress sick bay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sick bay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sick bay.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can't figure it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can we just call it sick lab?
[SPEAKER_02]: Sick lab.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sick lab.
[SPEAKER_01]: So sick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, a little later, the goo is in the cylinder.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's orange now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Bashir says he's cleared nearly all the radiation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Looks much better.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be fine, Bashir seems very confident that there's nothing else wrong with this and the baby's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Bashir leaves.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Odo talks to the baby and one of the first kind of speeches that Odo has in this about his experience, I loved what Renee did with these speeches.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are just beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talks about how he was alone and scared when he arrived as a baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's not going to be like that for the baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to do it differently.
[SPEAKER_01]: and he takes it to show it something special at the end of the scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which is the classic sort of speech that parents make, I'm going to do better than my parents.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to make the same mistakes they did, so it was very touching for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: A little bit of trivia here to get the right substance to serve as the baby changeling, the production crew spent several weeks in research and development.
[SPEAKER_02]: According to producer Steve Oster, Gary Monak and his crew had to come up with goo of the right color and consistency that would hold its form for a moment and then fall down and ooze around.
[SPEAKER_02]: We spent many nights sitting here with different textures and viscocities of goo trying to decide what would work for what Gary Monak explains that ultimately a variety of substances were used.
[SPEAKER_02]: For the beginning stages, we used gelatin mixed with some other stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: We also use the plastic that's referred to as hot melt vinyl, which you can heat up and mold, and we made up some goo that's basically like the stuff they pour on people on Nickelodeon television.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Slime.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because you needed the go to do different things at different times.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they had different batches of go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what they used for.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder if did you notice there were a couple times where the camera started in tight and Odo would pour the go off camera and then the camera would pull back and you'd see it in a dish or in a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't catch a couple of times that kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: method was used.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I wondered if when he was pouring, there was a prop guy just under the camera catching the liquid goo that he poured out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then as the camera pulled back, the prop guy might clear and you would have a different goo preset.
[SPEAKER_01]: Already preset ready to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the the viscocities that you're talking about in this trivia probably were very different.
[SPEAKER_01]: The kind of goo that pours is going to be different than the goo.
[SPEAKER_01]: that it's settled inside, but it's settled somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just a little gravel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: For those listening, I want to, I want to tell everyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Odo in this episode is the Odo is the Reneo-Bersian-Wah that I remember.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is, this is as close to the real Renei as you're going to get.
[SPEAKER_00]: okay uh his sort of speaking as you just said to the to the changeling and his kindness and his nurturing um I can I can as I watch that scene I could picture him talking to Tessa and and Remy his children in the same tone of voice.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: But before the monlogue with the baby goo, but she her does say to Odo, oh, I better go check on Kira.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you hear?
[SPEAKER_02]: She's in labor and Odo was like, hmm, he doesn't even, he doesn't even turn his atty.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, yeah, he's so focused on the little baby changing that this pregnancy of his best friend and crush does not even matter.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting, Armin, in the last episode we did with Terry and Anah, there was chemistry between those two that was the most naturalistic and grounded and palpable that I'd ever seen on the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's interesting, in that episode, to feel this connection that was so authentic and true, and then in this episode, yeah, he doesn't seem to be, he's definitely in his own story track.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not
[SPEAKER_01]: thinking about Kira and Kira having a baby, which is fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're consummate actors.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Give them a plot.
[SPEAKER_00]: They will perform a focus on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that and give them a different plot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they focus on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there was a palpable chemistry between Renee and Nanop.
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah right well we go to the birthing room next and this birthing room it starts with a close up on a like a shaker thing almost like a rain stick or something a rattle being I was like what is I thought that was what Odo was showing the baby with a baby rattle but then you pull back and you realize no it's a birthing room
[SPEAKER_01]: The rattles are going, miles is hitting a gun.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's the most pathetic sounding gun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think brain, brain.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's now relaxing at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's just a, it's a bit of a pathetic scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just sad to see that it's just what's happening right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's almost comical, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's almost comical, it's almost comical.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was meant to be comical, but it's almost, it's almost comical.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish they had gone further.
[SPEAKER_01]: Miles is impatient with this process, this bejorn relaxation process.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bashir is wearing like some bejorn stole or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looked like a tollist to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It did.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was if you know a tollist is a prayer shawl that warned Judaism and accepted it was tied at the bottom.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was very much looked like a tollist.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: A brand sneezes in the scene to interrupt the peace and quiet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it had comic potential and it was
[SPEAKER_01]: comedy adjacent that didn't quite go far enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very, I'm going to just brag.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very hard to do comedy on stretch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're waiting for your car, so they're trying to keep her relaxed and wait for your car to arrive, which I kind of struggled with the importance of your car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, it's not his baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't see him constantly.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't see the romance between them.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's not something that we're really fully aware of all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see why I understand why they needed him for the episode for the comedy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but it just didn't, it didn't make sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, and they really wasted their money because the prior episode, the darkness and the light was all about the Shikar cell members being targeted and they didn't have Shikar in that episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if they take his money that they've paid him for this episode and put him in the prior one and omitted him from this episode, that would have been just fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that would have been great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they wanted to stand off between miles miles in the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was that I get it But that you know that he could have had stand off a dialogue between miles and kko or just say anyone else You didn't have to have chicards my point I feel yes
[SPEAKER_00]: it might have been funny if they could have woven away for it to be a standoff between miles and and Sid and Dr. Bashir because obviously it's just what having the baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but she was getting very impatient.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got three surgeries to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he leaves.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says he'll be back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then Chicago does arrive.
[SPEAKER_01]: My house hits the gong very loudly.
[SPEAKER_01]: There at the end, which that was funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: That it worked.
[SPEAKER_01]: It could have been more, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: It could have been bigger.
[SPEAKER_01]: They we sort of button it with Chicago's arrival.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now we go to the replamat and Odo is talking to the Orange
[SPEAKER_01]: changeling now, explaining about the station.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did feel like Hacus really got into the Odo changeling connection.
[SPEAKER_01]: His shots as he, you know, kind of wrapped around or was in tight revealing that connection.
[SPEAKER_01]: It always felt very intimate and was really nicely done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, still the funniest line is when Worf says Constable, why are you talking to your beverage?
[SPEAKER_02]: And after Odo's, this is not a beverage.
[SPEAKER_02]: He leaves, and then he's freaking, Michael Stair's at his own drink, thinking, wait a minute, could this be a change with you?
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was a great one.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: I laughed out loud, which I don't normally laugh literally out loud.
[SPEAKER_01]: I laughed at Worf's line.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you talking to your brother, Overtube?
[SPEAKER_01]: We go back to the Science Lab or the SIG lab, the SIG lab.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wherever we are, Odo pours the baby into a large dish.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of those moments where he poured it off camera and then it pulled back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we see that the goo is in a large dish.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great circular shot going around and around as Odo talks to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love that photography.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's really quite, quite good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's basically saying, you've got unlimited potential.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's telling the baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could be a billion Python.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could be a hawk.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could be anything you want to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was that sort of optimistic, you know, the world's your oyster kind of speech to your kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is one of the rare times that I feel the circular shot works.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen it done so many times in film and TV, where it does, and I would say 95% of time, it does not work, but this time with the dialogue, with just everything that happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was so seamless, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't, it didn't jar me like, I'm like, a lot of times I'm like, what are you doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why are you doing that?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just dizzy now, but this one, it worked quite well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mora, Dr. Mora, arrives at the end of the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo is shocked and doesn't know why he's here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Mora says why I heard about your changeling, I'm here to help.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go to a commercial.
[SPEAKER_01]: We come back more as very excited to work on the baby, changeling.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's taken weeks off of work, just to stay here and do the work.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we all know the work he did with Odo was not very pleasant.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, there's going to be some conflict.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo says he's absolutely fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Morris says, you don't know anything about teaching a baby how to shape shift, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he pulls out this kind of gun-looking thing and Odo yells to stop, and Odo says, no, I'm going to do this alone and more mentions what you don't know what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: The temperature's wrong in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they talk about the temperature of the room, and Otis says, you know, why would I do that?
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll let the baby do it on its own.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Morith does start to show that he says, well, it would be easier for the baby if he changed the temperature.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why not make it easier?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you see a bit of like, oh, Otis didn't think of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he doesn't have that information.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Morith does know some things that can actually not just hurt the baby, but actually help the baby and make it easier.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say that it for me in the scene now that I knew from the dialogue that Dr. Mora really really spent a lot of time, you know, getting a temperature right all these things because before this episode, all we know is Mora was the guy that was working with Odo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mora was the one that did test that O that were painful to Odo.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so we kind of felt like okay,
[SPEAKER_02]: was he sadistic was he you know was he someone there you know wasn't there so there was more of a negative image that review point that I had about mora until this episode where I thought oh my god yeah he's just a scientist and he truly wants to help he does he's not trying to hurt anybody he doesn't try he doesn't want to hurt anyone at least yeah yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a wonderful comparison between parents and children, which is most of the story, parents and children.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in this case, with the parent being a child, it's how the grandparent, if you can call it that.
[SPEAKER_00]: The see the relationship of a grown adult, dealing with his parents, basically more as his parent.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the fact that we get several generations and I have to give Kudos to James Sloyan.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the way he meticulously worked the arc of this character.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's not a villain.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are to assume that he is a villain in the beginning, and because of Odo's response to him, but we begin to see there's more to him than what Odo thinks about him, which again is what grown children sometimes think of their parents.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to really get to know the parents and can't just trust the adult child for their opinions.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, at this point in our story, we're still on Odo's perspective.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're still, we don't think that more is a good guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: We think he's a bad guy, and that's what we've heard.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's very relatable to jump a little more to the end, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a very relatable parent-child generational kind of story about the kind of black and white stories we tell ourselves about our parents or about the kids or about, you know, that.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot more gray in those relationships.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes our parents, when we're adults, really do have good ideas that we should listen to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is definitely an episode that I feel resonated with most people, that are human, that are in families that are multi-generational.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think by the end of this episode, the story is strong and relatable and clear and really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say, and we're just early in this episode, talking about it, I will say, I struggled with a lot of this early stuff in
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't clear of the thesis what they were trying to do and I certainly didn't feel like the action and the plot was happening fast enough to keep my attention.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the end of the episode, I was like, wow, that was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I would say three quarters of this episode to me is soft.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you got, okay, so what you're saying is when you're watching the first half or two thirds of this episode, you're thinking, stop beating around the bush.
[SPEAKER_01]: Please get to a little bit, or have some significant change.
[SPEAKER_00]: Change.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, for me, the change was happening and perhaps it was a little bit more obvious to me that perhaps it was to you was the slow change of Otto's opinion of Mora.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So dealing with the changeling, with the baby changeling, yes, that took its time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it needed to, you know, to matriculate, it needed to grow, and it was a slow process that they could do it very quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: The whole story would be thrown out.
[SPEAKER_00]: so that didn't bother me so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I really enjoyed was watching the relationship between father and son, between Mora and Odo, and how that slowly came to a better place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's go to our B-story in the birthing room.
[SPEAKER_01]: We start with Sharkar standing by some sculpture that looks ceremonial to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: What was that thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that?
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got gongs, we've got rattles, we've got rain sticks, we've got sculptures.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't have his comedy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, if this had really been more stronger comedy, it would have helped the slow pace of that a-story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it would have.
[SPEAKER_01]: There had just been wackiness happening constantly in this B-story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have...
[SPEAKER_01]: had the patience for the A-Stories slow unraveling.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But because this B-Story was a little underwhelming in terms of the comedy in the action, I was like, I do, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: If the pacing of the B-Stories sort of balanced out the A-Story, you would appreciate it that much more.
[SPEAKER_00]: it's one of the things I learned while doing the show that for it to have a little bit more comic effect you have to pace it up yeah you you have to move a little quicker than normal because you have to stay ahead of your audience
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, shikars in the birthing room, standing by, we are sculpture.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kira's labor has taken too long, and Yupura says you're not going to have the baby for days, maybe even for weeks now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Yupura offers to Kira.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can go to Bashir, speed things up.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Kira wants to do this the traditional way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And your purse says, okay, well, we'll come back to this later and as she leaves, she tells her car to be punctual.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next time, it's his fault because they were just a woman for her.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a good moment for her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you be punctual and tells miles, practice the gong which was
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, funny comedy adjacent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just a little confused about that statement.
[SPEAKER_02]: When you porous says, you were in labor too long.
[SPEAKER_02]: So does that mean for bajorans?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're in labor, and if you don't start pushing or whatever, a certain time you miss the window, and then you have to wait another.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's something about the hormones that's said in the episode, and I have written down somewhere, but about that if the hormones overaccumulate, and therefore are destructive to the fetus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for whatever reason you weren't able to fully relax because your car wasn't there But because miles was not playing the gong, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Your system had to stop producing endorphins before they accumulated to toxic levels.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: There it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go to the science lab, what do we call it?
[SPEAKER_01]: We could say science bay or sick lab.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can choose sick lab.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sick lab.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go back to the sick lab.
[SPEAKER_01]: Moore is watching Odo trying to coax the baby into shapeshifting.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's trying different shapes, different boxes, and he's talking to the baby this whole time.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a sphere, this is a cube, all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the baby, he pours in the goo and dumps it out and the baby just is goo.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not holding shape.
[SPEAKER_01]: He talks to Mora about how Mora tried to coerce him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He uses the word coerce me into changing shape.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was painful.
[SPEAKER_01]: He remembers when he first forced Auto into taking the shape of a cube with one of his electrostatic gadgets.
[SPEAKER_01]: And once he finally did it, Mora turned the infernal thing off.
[SPEAKER_01]: So another reminder about you were prodding me,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, creating, creating, creating me is what it was, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But isn't that what coaches do?
[SPEAKER_00]: They force you into painful situations to make you a better athlete.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll better, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can push beyond your limits.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, push beyond your confidence.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in the auto's mind, it's torture.
[SPEAKER_00]: You tortured me.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just in torture.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the beauty of this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: We come to realize, you know, that torture had a purpose.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't just torture.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that there's a montage at this point, there's cylinder in the mirror, there's other shapes, spirals shapes, but the baby is just goose still, not doing anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: A little later after this montage, we see Morris can, the baby with a tricorder, he's getting impatient.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oda doesn't like it, he's just using a tricorder or whatever the medical device.
[SPEAKER_01]: even just scanning it is too much, too invasive for Odo, doesn't like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this leads them to an argument over the past.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo's very resentful about all the painful things he went through.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he describes it in detail in this scene, which I thought was very helpful to us because we're really hearing not just general things, but he's bringing up all these specific examples.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Morris says that he did it because he was under pressure to come up with something, you know, he was being pressured from the outside to get answers to have some success.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pressured by whom?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, because it can't be starfleet, was it?
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't can't be starfleet.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the major in science academy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kardashians?
[SPEAKER_01]: Kardashians.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe Kardashians.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they wanted to find the answer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he tells Odo your technique is going to take forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is when in the middle of this heated argument, they're both going at each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Odo's saying, well, why don't you just do this?
[SPEAKER_01]: And why don't you do that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco walks in.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the timing was very funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: With the, yeah, the low blows came out here, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Morris says, if it wasn't for me, you still be sitting on a shelf somewhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: In a beaker labeled Unknown Sample, because his name means Unknown, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, Odo says, well, it wasn't for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've been.
[SPEAKER_02]: nobody.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're the lowest of lowest person.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry to get personal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very much so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's when Cisco walks in.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was like a dynamic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco's like, how's everything going guys?
[SPEAKER_01]: They're kind of silent.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Cisco says Starfleet really wants some progress soon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Starfleet has keep its nose out of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is where this is what you were saying earlier where if he purchased this this is his property correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why is Starfleet having to have a week a daily reports about this so after Cisco leaves Morris says see you know now you understand the kind of pressure that I was going through and he says I brought all my old equipment maybe it's time we start unpacking some of that and
[SPEAKER_01]: So it looks like Odo's not going to get to do this all alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a moment where Odo realizes, you know, there's another side to this argument.
[SPEAKER_00]: He understands for a moment what the pressure of the Moora had been under.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the arc of Odo's coming to understand what Moora was doing that he isn't
[SPEAKER_02]: The earlier scene where he's talking to him about the different shapes, I just wanted to bring light to Renee's line that he wrote.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, all right now, Oto says, all right now, this is a pyramid.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the most mysterious shapes in nature.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just like him drawing attention to that because I do believe that that is exactly right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a sacred shape, actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not supposed to
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't they say that like alien aliens brought the pyramid shaped earth or something?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and that they are matching pyramids that on the moon as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of rare, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there are marchers and marchers, marchers and marchers and marchers.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are matching pyramids around the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: So rather than cultures came up with the same thing, so maybe it was shaded around the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was going to say the Luxor Hotel in Las Vegas is the pyramid shape.
[SPEAKER_02]: you can find online.
[SPEAKER_02]: They say that when you build a pyramid because of the sacred shape, you must place the eye of horse or drawing or some representation of the eye of horse at the very top, top, top, block, that little pinnacle because if you don't do that then you bring all types of
[SPEAKER_02]: craziness upon yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're saying the Las Vegas Valley is cursed because of the Luxor does a lot more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the things that's mentioned in passing and I think actually is a little Easter egg for the ending.
[SPEAKER_00]: Morris says he's only grown 17%.
[SPEAKER_00]: In other words,
[SPEAKER_00]: And we are to assume it's because it isn't responding the way he did in more of the way the odor responded in Morris lab.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that that easter eggs suggests that there's something still slightly wrong with the building baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't catch it, but it tracks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that they track.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: When they're paying attention to that kind of stuff and then when you look
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, all right, a little later, still in the sick lab, uh, Morris equipment is set up, Odo Porzam into the dish, another one of those poor off-camera pullback moments.
[SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I also liked, and I felt it preemptively, and I was right about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He and Morris switch places.
[SPEAKER_01]: More is at one side, Odo's at the other at the top of the scene, and then as Odo starts to get to work, he switches places blocking lines with Moro, which to me was sort of a foreshadowing of, oh, now Odo's gonna be
[SPEAKER_01]: behaving.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's taking the role that Mora had.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be doing the things that Mora did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which I thought was just a little detail, but great blocking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great catch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did not catch that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they switch, switch places.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Otto now is going to reluctantly try Mora's techniques, a little electricity.
[SPEAKER_01]: and he gives him a little electricity trying to encourage him to go to the center of this big petri dish.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't move.
[SPEAKER_01]: Morris is going to take more.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have to turn it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to get it, you know, the...
[SPEAKER_01]: the results.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Otto reluctantly agrees, turns it up a little, and it works.
[SPEAKER_01]: Moro was right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Otto's thrilled to see the baby do something for the very first time.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's smiling ear to ear, and Moro says, you know, that's how I felt when you first moved.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Anna Joy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in spite of the electricity, the prodding, it brings this result that's very satisfying.
[SPEAKER_00]: The ends justify the means.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, the specificity of this theme, of how this whole test is conducted,
[SPEAKER_02]: makes more a less of a monster so that you're sitting here going oh because before I thought he had a cattle prod he was like yeah that's how auto described it like a nightmare like he was literally being a shocked shock electro shock torture therapy is what we thought it was but then you see oh only the outside of the rim and it's you know it's it's actually shapes of that it's sort of
[SPEAKER_02]: the outside is electrified.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's only a current going through that.
[SPEAKER_02]: The center of it has no current.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you give, you know, it gives the baby a chance to get away from the pain and to do something.
[SPEAKER_02]: So again, just the specificity of this test of this procedure made me more of a fan of more hour.
[SPEAKER_02]: I absolutely just hated him before.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is tribute to the powers of being when they were casting.
[SPEAKER_00]: They got a likable actor over Jean Sloyan.
[SPEAKER_00]: It could picture if it had been cast, I love Mark, but it had been cast with Mark Alimbo.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been different, you know, to go completely.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they would have been saying the same words.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just that's what casting is about looking for that quality that you need to make something more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when Moore shows his excitement over Odo's excitement and saying, this is exactly how I felt when you did the same thing, you start to see how Moore really did look at Odo as his child in, you know, this is basically his baby, his kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, and I never thought of it that way before.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now this episode opened that up for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, well we go back to Kira's room, the birthing chamber, O'Brien is giving Kira a leg massage, which calls back that other episode, when he's giving her massages and they sort of fell for each other or noticed they had feelings.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just reminded me of that awkward episode, I was like, please don't, don't go on massager anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's valid for what Shakira sees.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He sees this, it doesn't make him, he feels the same way you do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, obviously, you know, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's massaging our Shakira comes in immediately, gets kind of jealous.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's basically the scene where they're both competing to care for her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shakira and Vicer says, hey, let's go to this zero graph, tumbling performance in the promenade.
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to go?
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's trying to impress her and take care of her.
[SPEAKER_01]: She says, no, I don't want to stand around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, they're competing for caretaking of Kira here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Kira says, it's time.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't even hear because they're trying to outdo each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll take over.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'll massage her.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm massaging her.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're bickering.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't even hear her say, it's time to make it happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: She has to yell at them and then they both try to lift her off the bed and they both play tug of war with her and, you know, back and forth, which I will say that tug of war was funny, but I could tell that they had told the actor, no, no, no, you do the moving and will not pull you so we don't hurt you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of saw that, it felt a good day, a dance move rather than
[SPEAKER_00]: being actually someone being pulled here and something yeah did you notice that a little bit yeah i did i did as well and i also noticed when they let go she has this sort of and she doesn't want to do one of them and i thought you know react to the fact that you've just been pulled as opposed to your at your attitude yeah yeah something about that physical
[SPEAKER_01]: blocking or the way it really worked.
[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't quite work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it was not as it wasn't comedy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was comedy adjacent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Robbie, the only way that that self movement would have worked if Nina broke out into song and it was a musical number.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then it would have worked.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she could have danced on that bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: She would have read that answer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go back to the sick lab.
[SPEAKER_01]: The baby is holding a cylinder shape now.
[SPEAKER_01]: On its very first try, it can hold a cylinder shape and Morris thrilled because he said, you know, Odo, it took you three tries for you to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Odo admits, well, you know, I did that on purpose.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't want to give you this satisfaction.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can see the tug of war that was happening with Maura and Odo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So after Odo admits that he did it on purpose, Maura gives him a little guilt by saying, well,
[SPEAKER_01]: The satisfaction of saying, thank you very much and I love you some day, not like you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a little bit of that guilt, the parent or it may just leave you as what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or you'll never hear from it again, you know, it'll never come to visit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was, it was, it was a classic, you know, parental guilt.
[SPEAKER_01]: little moment, I thought it was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: But before the scene ends, the baby changing does rise up and then form a bit of anodo face to mimic odo and then goes back down.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, here's the trivia.
[SPEAKER_02]: In this shot where obviously baby changing attempts to mimic odos face, that was not budgeted.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this shot actually was something that Hesus came up with on set because the budget being exhausted.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were no funds left to pay for special effects and post-production.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the plan was to just abandon the shot entirely.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not even going to have the morphing into the face.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was Assistant Director Lewis Race, who came up with an innovative idea, he put a stocking over his hand, covered it with goo, and held it up in front of the camera to everyone's amazement.
[SPEAKER_02]: The shot looked fine, Renee Escher-Varia was quoted as saying that shot would have cost thousands of dollars in post-production, but those guys did it for nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a great moment in gorilla filmmaking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, good for Luke, good for Luke.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Luke for the win.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and really important, it's an incredible moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the changeling saying, not necessarily.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love you, but something close to that, that he's imitating Odo's look.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the same way, oftentimes when I get close to my dogs, they'll give me a lick with their tongue.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same sort of reaction.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's that, you know, I have affection for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, yeah, like pop up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now we go to the security office mora and auto run in very excitedly.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're both excited about what's happening here mora wants to celebrate, but auto picks up a pad.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to catch up on work.
[SPEAKER_01]: he can't celebrate with Mora.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is where Mora tells Odo that he was wrong, that his way of doing things, you know, the tough way was not necessarily the best way, and that Odo's way is better, and he admits he was wrong, which is a big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Huge.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, you know, Odo's forming a connection with the changeling, and that's important.
[SPEAKER_01]: They talk about how Odo doesn't have a connection with Mora, and Mora says it's his own fault.
[SPEAKER_01]: I zapped you, I prodded you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mora says, well, if I hadn't done that, maybe you wouldn't have ended up the way you are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, kind of referring to Odo's grumpyness.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the turning point line, though, Robbie, is when after Mora says you feared me, Odo says, you didn't know what I was.
[SPEAKER_02]: You were experimenting on what looked like a lump of organic residue.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'd still be if it weren't for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now it's a total 180.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like starting to turn.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, listen, Dad, you had to punish me because of the things that I did as a kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh my gosh, he's got wisdom now.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: And more as like, I know this kind of talking about these things is not comfortable for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's because it's my fault.
[SPEAKER_01]: I poked and prodded you and made you
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, suspicious of people or cautious or distant.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is where Odo says, you know, I don't blame it all on you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe it's just my disposition and it's just the way I am.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about both of them having insights into themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the tag on this scene is wonderful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Morris says, I'll leave you two to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Odo says, Dr. Mora.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two glasses of champagne, please, we're celebrating.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was like, yeah, that's exactly going to have
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a moment where I went, wait a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: Odo doesn't invite liquid, and then I remembered, he said, you know, yeah, he's solid now.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I did question, what is Odo have, why is Odo have a replicator machine that makes food and drinking his office?
[SPEAKER_02]: But, but, okay, it's so armoured.
[SPEAKER_02]: So basically the line should have been, Dr. Mora.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two glasses of champagne for me, the humanoid, and my, but Jordan, friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't auto get drunk in one of the early episodes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he became a solid he was he was he did drinking way too much And he's about to be rather drunk in the next scene, so yeah, but yeah, and it's a lovely thing It's it's making concessions.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're both making concessions And it's the lovely arc of the relationship for father and son.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, we go back to the birthing room Miles has finally gotten the
[SPEAKER_01]: gong playing right it seems funny scene this scene was funny miles wants to see the birth shikarsas absolutely not you're not gonna go over there and look at at the baby arriving no way and they start bickering it's my baby and you're poor as telling them to be quiet kko's getting frustrated she's like please be quiet yeah and oh
[SPEAKER_01]: they keep going and carefully just kicks them out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: She can't take it anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have thought the nurse should have kicked them out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she's in shape for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You pour or should have kicked them out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's it's it's I understand why Kira did.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know,
[SPEAKER_00]: They're disturbing.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're disturbing the the law.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's so correct word.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they kick them out kick them out.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go out in the corridor.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love this moment in the corridor.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a classic awkward dude scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: We both are just like they don't they go to their separate corners.
[SPEAKER_01]: They blame it on each other, nice going.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Chicago says, next time do me a favor, leave my girlfriend out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next time you have baby, leave my girlfriend out of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go to Quarks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quark is, he's doing the books, I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's doing the books in his head, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna have to water down the drain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let it down the drain.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hork wouldn't do that, would he?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, bro.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: While he's trying to increase his profit, he gets to the bar, and Odo is just killing his profits, because Odo is behind the bar, just taking all he wants.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to keep celebrating, he's a little drunk, breaking the law.
[SPEAKER_01]: Breaking the law.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: The constable is breaking the law here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We learned that Morris is asleep, and Odo wants to keep celebrating.
[SPEAKER_00]: And how deer is it that he wants to celebrate with quark?
[SPEAKER_01]: It is so deer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I find that very deer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a great journey in this scene for quark of at first feeling very suspicious, like, I don't get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: What game are you playing here?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're trying to trick me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Trying to move up and done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he's often done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Oda just keeps going on and on about how happy is and all these good things and quark just keeps thinking, this is a trick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oda's ecstatic, he feels truly happy and alive again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Talks about children, do you ever think about having children?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I sort of remember really thinking about Renee's kids when we were doing the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: That this was, this was, that was the background of where Renee was coming from.
[SPEAKER_00]: because he's very proud.
[SPEAKER_00]: Renee was very proud of a very very proud of his children.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have met them, not only met them, I went and guess taught an acting class that his daughter was in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what?
[SPEAKER_01]: What was it?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a long time ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: A friend of mine had an acting class and he would sometimes bring in, you know, working professional people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: into his acting class to talk about working answer questions and then to give notes on scenes and so right she was wonderful she's a very she's incredible actress nice and which which daughter is this that's the actor tessa tessa tessa okay and and her brother Remy is also a phenomenal actor has often been on Broadway um and you're shout out to Remy he's now living in Minneapolis and whizzy is he working at the
[SPEAKER_01]: Remi was on a show I directed and produced called 666 Park Avenue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he played a priest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you cast him?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you used to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he did a couple episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I directed him in one of the episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he did a couple as sort of an evil priest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was possessed or working for the dark side or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Remi's super talented and super nice guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he knew you'd be a connection that you had with him too, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: At the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we talked about his dad, you know, got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, great kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just to finish this scene in quarks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I love the journey and the turn that you took in the scene as I'm I'm rather proud of the little smile that I have at the end of the of the scene that sort of says, oh my god, he really is happy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, there was a there was a naturalism and an authenticity by the end of this scene that I felt like reflected in your real-life relationship.
[SPEAKER_01]: and also for the characters to finally, you know, we've kind of suggested it and said it as subtext before, but this was your relationship and your friendship was not just subtext.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was palpable and tangible and thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think Renee did such a great job of playing drunk because that is oftentimes not easy for people to play drunk and he didn't overdo it at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that he had the exact right measure of drunkenness believable and again this scene flowed and this was a scene that my soul needed to be happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: The scene where Quark is not being belittled or yelled at by Odo and that it's the first time they're actually on common ground and they're having fun together for once and it just I was smiling you know from ear to ear after watching this scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: I loved it.
[SPEAKER_00]: and to see Renee performing as a clown, which I knew him to be off camera, to see that on camera, to see that while I was performing was such a joy to see just as friends, to see the real Renee just there in front of me while the camera was rolling, was just ticklish, they beautiful,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and such a playful scene plays is such a great way to use.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sick lab.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're back at sick lab.
[SPEAKER_02]: The baby is regressed.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's now no longer that orange color.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of that darker dead-looking color.
[SPEAKER_02]: Odo Shocked what the heck is happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Morris says it's the morphogenic matrix.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's destabilizing and stying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Shocking to everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very shocking.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a multi-colored.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looked like they had put it almost looked like marbled or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like there's some blue and like which I thought that little detail instead of just going with a totally solid color.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could see it starting to transition.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's going to be more vulnerable and there's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Back in the infirmary and or the sick lab or wherever we are,
[SPEAKER_01]: We're somewhere with the share because he says that damage is worse than he thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Mora has an idea, but he tells Odo wait outside, I'll do everything I can.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for Odo to trust Mora, to have grown and changed his feeling, he must, this is huge.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to see Mora being so empathetic and kind, it's not the stories we've heard about, from Odo about this evil, horrible torture, he's a kind and empathetic person.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it's also super happy because Mora takes up some techno-babel away from him, so he doesn't have to say it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: So while they're trying to save the life of the baby change laying, we go to the birthing room and we're about to meet a baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: The baby is coming, Kira tells Kiko.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, which is do me a favor and out in the corridor, Kiko steps out and invites the boys back in, if they'll be quiet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they can't even do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: They bicker after you.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, after you.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, after you.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're over entering the room.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, uh-uh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Inside, we go in the birthing room and the baby is born.
[SPEAKER_01]: Beautiful baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had a real baby in this scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a young baby, uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, within a couple of weeks, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody probably, what happens?
[SPEAKER_02]: Extra central casting says we need somebody who has a two-week-old infant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on in.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't Django.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he would have been in interest.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's very meta.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting because a lot of times the concerns is just exposure to, you know, a crew, and against the bugs, the germs that are around.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if Nanaz working,
[SPEAKER_01]: then there's already just one degree separated from the baby anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that would be a smart baby to bring in and it's a month old.
[SPEAKER_01]: So could it then?
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's another question, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_02]: With child labor laws, obviously if you're under age under 18, you have limited amount of hours that you have to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the younger you get, the hours get less and less correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if it's a two week old baby, you've got five minutes with it and then you're whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it literally starts with minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gosh, it's codel number of time you can have and only if, you know, I think it's five ten minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very short.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can only have them in very briefly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you got to kind of shoot that shot time you're filming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're not rehearsing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You better prep that thing quick and get done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the baby's barn is beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go to the promenade, odos pacing, Bashir steps out, said nothing worked and it won't be very long.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we
[SPEAKER_01]: more hands out of the baby cylinder.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's dark now, you know, dark green black blue.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just dark color solid, not marble, any more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it holds the baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: He pours it out of the cylinder into his hands and he pleads with the baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: Please don't die.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the baby morphs or melts into his hands.
[SPEAKER_00]: his hands absorb the absorb.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a better way to say it.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it absorbs the goo and then suddenly auto sort of staggers, Bashir's worried.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what's wrong?
[SPEAKER_01]: And auto says it can't be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Morris says what?
[SPEAKER_01]: And auto walks out of the sick lab into the promenade where he morphs into a hawk.
[SPEAKER_01]: The clothes fall on the ground.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, the clothes flaw on the ground.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a great detail that they kept in there because they shouldn't you mention it was should not have they should not know.
[SPEAKER_02]: They should have Well, he's human Right here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: You are absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a human
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't rip those are not, those are not morphed to changeling clothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually really normally If you're wrong, you are right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, shapeshifts the clothes fall down so to so to help Armin, I odoshita said I was human, but no longer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's obvious from him taking off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Armand, did they have a real bird on your set that was time?
[SPEAKER_01]: I certainly wasn't there that day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wondered it must have been a well-trained bird if it was a bird real bird.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I sure hope it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm going to see Jonathan West next week.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll ask him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ask him if they had a real bird.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it must have been.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nowadays, you could easily do a digital CG bird and you wouldn't have to worry about it, but it would take time and hard for the operators to know exactly where that bird's going to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that would be tricky.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go to the airlock next and it's an awkward goodbye from Kira and Shikara at the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shikara, you know, it's just awkward.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like you can tell that they're not connecting on some level.
[SPEAKER_01]: And at the end, Shikara says, you know, I have a few minutes left.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they hug and I thought, are they just going to stand there hugging for three minutes?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it was awkward before and now it's really awkward.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like and then it cuts from that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't even show him walking away.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he said no, it just goes with him saying I got a few minutes left and they love be awkward.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, I do believe at the last thing he should have said is
[SPEAKER_02]: Kira, I'm gonna devote my life to painting now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm leaving, and then that would have been really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: It did go off and become an artist.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the actor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we cut to another part of the corridor.
[SPEAKER_01]: More and Odo are heading out.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've bonded.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: More apologizes, so does Odo.
[SPEAKER_01]: They hug, they embrace, but it's not awkward.
[SPEAKER_01]: This one's not awkward.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as more a leaves, Kira arrives.
[SPEAKER_00]: And have to kudos to the director and to Renee, that a moment where Renee puts his head on Marshaler.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so dear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: So telling, yes, evocative.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was wonderful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Kira runs into Odo as more leaves and she shares that she feels off, she just feels off.
[SPEAKER_01]: She never wanted a baby, but now she doesn't want to let it go.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Odo says I can relate to how you feel.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Kira says you want to take a walk together and they go off.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I loved his arm or rap, it was Kira's arm, Kira put her arm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I thought it was Odo's arm over here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was Kira's arm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, regardless, that the affectionary area was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very sweet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's it episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's talk about theme lesson moral for the episodes starting with Robbie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wrote down what makes a family and the feelings you have for your family are complicated and very personal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Arbon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Close the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote down the painful and joyous experiences of being a parent and the awful pain of losing a child.
[SPEAKER_00]: Loss is painful, but it can and does inspire understanding.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mine is always remember that there are two sides to the coin because that's and I'm just talking about the whole Odo more relationship because they really didn't see the other person side until this episode and then now they're great so
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's mine.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our Patreon poll for winner for the theme slash lesson slash more for this episode as submitted by Krishna Allister is love can be shown in many different ways.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they're ringing up a gong.
[SPEAKER_01]: or the clanging, the annoying clang of a gong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we want to thank Armen for joining us for this one, of course.
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