[SPEAKER_01]: Breaking news breaking news.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am a stupid Pupu due to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, welcome to this very special episode to say the podcast where we are all stupid Pupu due to it's including you listening to this right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Praving 85 miles an hour on the freeway watching the video of the safety third podcast not even the audio version.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if we upload those anymore that ever gets fixed John.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fixed because I remember what you get to come at all the time, Kevin, we're like, oh, Kevin, for at the password is, yeah, well, we like literally actually did that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for the the audio version that like synchronizes it to everything.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you're down to like one more guest before permanently locks you out.
[SPEAKER_04]: Something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Don guessed it right, though.
[SPEAKER_04]: everybody comment how fast you're driving right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I have, you know, I haven't been as excited for something as I am, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, okay, you guys, can I say something positive right now?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, let's let's make it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, the only good vibes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like or the past few months I have I've had a like a dark cloud of things over my head.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, most of them have been paying for open softly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, and then, you know, it's like, well, I guess if I have to like make more money to pay for open costs and I got to make me channel videos and then I go in the garage and I can't say this, but I either said I want to curl myself right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to want to whales eat myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I have been very busy and I've been working very hard and the outer all prescription I have has been working very hard as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were like holding hands every day and the garage me and legal method fedamine and I am proud to say that I think
[SPEAKER_01]: that my garage is finally functioning workshop again and just shit fucking piled everywhere like one of those awful campground toilets that is just a pit in the ground that they empty every six months.
[SPEAKER_04]: Does it feel good to just sit in the garage now?
[SPEAKER_01]: It does.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so like last night right we've been we've been in plus we've been doing we've been on that our Colour kick right our Coke kick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I was like, I want to make our flavors of Coke that we've been working on custom flavors.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I was in the garage.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a like an open workspace.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have like a top, a top, like an art project.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can start a project without having to fucking scrape a bunch of shit off of a desk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember that Michael Reeves video
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's not how I feel anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so last night at like midnight, I put a bunch of shit on the counter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mixed together 10 Coke flavors.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so this was the good.
[SPEAKER_04]: The good part of the story.
[SPEAKER_01]: The good part of the story.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I don't have a bad part yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he said you were a stupid dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll play the stupid dude who had part.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nigel, do you use pipe netters?
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, like I saw, I saw, uh, doesn't end you with something you said in your video because I saw your video.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe kind of, um, do your, what brand of pipetteers do you buy?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, what I what you said in your video is that you realize that nothing you were doing was accurate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, yes, nothing was accurate and it was also not relative.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the general pipeline that are off by their own amount.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I went through this because, I mean, I, I use a Fisher brand once that I got really cheap on eBay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure I've finished our, yeah, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this,
[SPEAKER_00]: Not not only are they some of the cheap most of the cheap ones completely just they're inaccurate in their own special unique way Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're also technically calibrated to be for like water based stuff So if you get something that's like really dense or really light, I think it's just in that not super accurate, but if you're already inaccurate, you're just kind of
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have you might still just be eyeballing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've noticed a few things about these twenty five dollar how much do you think I was going to ask how much I think brand new there like three hundred dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I got them I got them all for like two hundred bucks.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, or something on eBay or something like how many like yeah, it was like a bundle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like five of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, maybe I should do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, each one is so out of calibration that I would say it's not even within the unit spec that's labeled on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the first one I bought used to claim to measure a hundred to a thousand micro.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that one was bang on when you first got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, something happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: It made a weird clicking sound at one point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it was out of calibration.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I fucking ripped it apart.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I adjusted the counter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay, because adjusting the like there's like a little screw thing that you can turn to adjust the happens when you try to pull it back into adjustment is you unscrew the calibrations screw all the way and it all the part and so it was like so far out that I had to change the counter and it now seems to work, but it measures between I think 200 and like 1200 now or something like 1100 okay, so shifted by 100 micro leave.
[SPEAKER_01]: The small one, the 5.5 microliter to 10 microliter, it is almost double.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that it actually can't even measure, I think it can measure about one microliter, not a half.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that basically what here's the whipsy that I did and it's I was able to fix it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So instead of going between pipetteers, I was just using the smallest one and what was supposed to be 45 micro leaders of lemon oil, I put in 4.5 because it was midnight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then I was going to bed and I was like,
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I like I made a sheet to try to like calibrate between the two long story short ended up realizing that it was going to be faster just to use the same pipette or and just do like one to yes three or so I did that instead and I was able to add the expert lemon and lime that I did not have it earlier, but the thing I noticed and I this is my question for Angela is when you I just want to say I looked it up and I'm actually in shock.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I got four of them for 455 U.S.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they were like a hundred, but yeah, used.
[SPEAKER_00]: Brand new, they're 601.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're five to 600 each.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, I shouldn't have left it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I was fucking awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, French is our insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: Holy shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that's why I would never pay for them brand new.
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw I've never looking at the set and they were like, it's like $2,000 for four of them or something and I'm like, Eva, what do you got?
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you depressed a plunger, should there be nothing inside the tip?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because so I've noticed the one thing that is in always.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so the general way it works is like when you, there's two, there's two levels to the plunger.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's like the easy push and then like the hard push.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you fill it, you do the easy one.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you just like, it's like a half-shake.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like an air-stage thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you do the easy one and then it, that's what lifts in.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you push it out, you push everything.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it does like an extra put it's like you push it and then yeah exactly like it just it's meant to like push air out I think the problem maybe with yours is you know you have that first step where you push down to get ready to suck up a liquid.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but there might be a little slot.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know it's not on my.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, there's a mushy zone and I'm not realizing that I'm actually not supposed to depress it all the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, fuck me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I get, well, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So here's the good news.
[SPEAKER_01]: The good news is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right now it's all relative.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but if you're pushing it all the way like bottoming it that might be your accuracy issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like they should be inaccurate to achieve ones to man like I would say like plus minus I wouldn't be shocked if some of them are like plus minus 20% Wow, but you shouldn't be like you should I'm saying if you're that's crazy, but you shouldn't be plus minus on
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe what's happening is that last push that I'm doing is actually like it's like a fixed 10% or something or fixed 50% or whatever to get that the extra.
[SPEAKER_00]: It might not be calibrated.
[SPEAKER_00]: It might be like just the fur the fill is calibrated, but if you're like filling it with the extra push.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's like an uncalabrated.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like surprise bonus and every single one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm going to do some experiments right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think we're doing it right because that's pretty noticeable really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I definitely plunge it all the way down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, when you do like the full like the thousand micro leaders, it's a little bit less distinct of where the story and stop is I feel like I feel like I'm doing something wrong that's the feeling I have right now, I don't I think that's my gut.
[SPEAKER_04]: I wonder if you can auto-clave those.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I don't believe it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It says a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean what's the worst happens?
[SPEAKER_04]: It turns into a molten pile of plastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an interesting theory.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a depends on how much you care about your auto clay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can auto clay at 30 degrees Celsius for seven seconds.
[SPEAKER_00]: The real, what would you auto clay it in?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like an instepot?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe a pressure cooker.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, well, that I have a lot of things to work on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the flavors that I made last night.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I realized after Kevin and I made our flavors, which if anybody didn't see our flavors, it was somewhat of a disaster.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, John made an everything flavor.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was just like a bar of soap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We put, I think, over like 60 oils in there, everything we had.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kevin tried making vanilla cherry,
[SPEAKER_04]: No, no cherry or vanilla.
[SPEAKER_01]: I added just a few things to Coke and it maybe had like the lemon grass was the most noticeable change and but I wouldn't say it was something that you're like, yeah, we've accomplished our goals.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I realized we know nothing about flavor science out of how many samples we did like probably 30.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe three of them were like interesting that was interesting feedback.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, and then we're just your lemon grass was it was like a hint of a hint of lemon grass.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I wouldn't even say it was like, good, it was just not like a disgusting.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think for the black cherry vanilla flavor, you have to do a lot of flavoring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, because it's not subtle when you drink like the flavored coke.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like that's what you're drinking.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like mostly this flavor.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you think that maybe you need to, like, where you took, we took, like, 75% Coke and then 25% Yeah, that might be a good starting point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you have, like, a limited amount of, I think, like, flavor surface area to cover, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: When you're doing this, because you don't just say, like, hey, here's my Coke flavor and then here's extra shit on top of it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: They probably probably want to, like, dial.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't think like you have a limited number of squares, but your flavors and you don't have more than like whatever like 10, what do we say 10 microleaders or 7 microleaders per can of oil, flavor oil is what ended up being?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but maybe they still have the normal amount of coke plus the flavor on top.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think they dial back.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're probably so.
[SPEAKER_04]: Not a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, here's what I made last night.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we'll test them tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just did the original recipe obviously is like a control and I did no small flavor like got rid of like the nutmeg orange coriander.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got rid of all like the little thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then I did citrus only so this is just what does the orange and lime and lemon do and I got rid of the tea tree.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, for one.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I swapped the lemon in lime for another.
[SPEAKER_01]: So instead of 45 or 46% lemon, it's now 36% lemon in 46% lime.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then anyone that's no citrus, just a little flavor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like cinnamon and nutmeg and stuff, then just citrus and ginger.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then just citrus and black pepper and like quite a bit of black pepper.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then all lemon no lime and all I'm no lemon.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so like when I know a lot of that's a lot of work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just yeah I filled yeah I what I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just had the sheet open.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like copied across the cells and it's like opened.
[SPEAKER_01]: I opened the lid of everything that was going to be the same amount.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then I did all of those and then I closed them and then I opened the product.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the lime lime is next.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we're over again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and I think I only messed up one where I like dumped it in and it like I like missed the vibe And I was like half of it got in and half of it didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like a fun should redo that, but What I noticed is like and it makes you realize like how like hard flavor science is Yeah, like I know that I think people have known this for a while, but like holy shit
[SPEAKER_01]: I like not putting the lime in there in lemon in the quantity like because it basically was like, you know, how like a fifth of what it should be, you know, about 20% in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Putting it in later after realizing my mistake, the smell changes so drastically.
[SPEAKER_01]: It goes from being like kind of like a warm spice smell to then all of a sudden boom, it's cooked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really genuinely have been having a lot of fun with this because it's so open ended and low stakes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so much tinkering you can do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can just tinker and like the reason you don't want to tinker more is because it's just it's a pain in the butt to make too many.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you kind of like, I just thought, well, what if instead of trying to do something, I just change what already works to see maybe try to develop an understanding of like, yeah, what happens, you know, if you get rid of the cinnamon, like, like, what happens if you double the cinnamon, because now you also have to taste all of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, these ones you like have to taste because we know they're going to be good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or good enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's a slow process.
[SPEAKER_01]: I definitely see it being a slow process, but I was also thinking about the flavors of like the variations that we could make.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of wanted to get your your take on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so you've got the original pirated coke, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, okay, what a clear coke.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mmm, Nigel, what do you think about that?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then here's like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's another one for Nigel.
[SPEAKER_02]: What about coke cubed?
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Was that triple everything?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Triple the caffeine, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just, but like, is it triple the sweetness?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or it's just, or it's just the exact same recipe you just make it with less water.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that's what I was thinking yeah, would you do less water and like would you the same sugar and it's just a flavor?
[SPEAKER_01]: Would you do just triple this syrup basically?
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like you probably want to do triple the flavor, but not triple the sugar.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, maybe like half like or one and a half.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, here's one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if this is my favorite or nightmare 100 times sweeter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, then like a low sugar version, uh, actually spicy code.
[SPEAKER_01]: Spiced Coke, try Coke, lemon coke, try to make a good tree soda, like John soda, but like think you're out how to make it not taste like shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and an orange soda.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I want to do a maple orange soda.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's Coca-Cola, but you replace the syrup with maple syrup.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is all good, but what you need to really work on is Pepsi Blue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't know what that tastes like.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't even think, like, do you have a, is there someone somewhere selling like a 20 year old can of Pepsi Blue?
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe eBay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember you're kind of like, you can sip it.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you were, when you were covered from the food poisoning, you can then immediately get to work.
[SPEAKER_00]: You get the taste of twice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Try to try to describe it again.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually, I don't know to taste.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a fruit taste.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't, it wouldn't be that far off to be on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no Pepsi.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I ever had it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not Pepsi.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a coal lif labor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's more like a fruit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Punch, but like weirdly, like, like, kiddie bubble gummi kind of, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't describe it now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's indescribable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did I tell you about the machine?
[SPEAKER_01]: I bought an angel.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, my, it's my turn to buy some shit, but I don't need finally I'm in the Nigel club now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I bought on eBay, use a machine that makes ketchup packets.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you mentioned that last time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did I?
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that you were thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, well, we did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I was asking why.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't picked it up yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like I, I'm, I, what I want to do is I want to make like a little
[SPEAKER_04]: We have to pay that up at some point in like, like, imagine, you know, a concentrated surup that you just scored into a can of look, like, yeah, like, you're so similar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that's, that's my goal is because you, like, canning is like a pan of butt and you have to store a bunch, but like, making little packets is so easy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you need to put them in a box and it's like low volume.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, you know what, I want to exist, which as far as I know, I think I looked it up in a kind of does, but it hasn't taken off.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just want a dropper bottle that has caffeine in it that you can calculate anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one, oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like have you tried buying caffeine?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just nope.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can buy it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's definitely much more difficult to buy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it wasn't, but it's not like nobody really sells it in the same way.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's not on eBay.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not on Amazon.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I have a website here.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can buy it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I won Kelo for 50 bucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see it already.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you may have been the same website.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it pure bulk?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: That one.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to like send your business and corporation stuff too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You sent out half to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I sent it to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they haven't responded yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I found it somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_01]: The same place I sent my his from.
[SPEAKER_00]: I missed the good old days where they would just send you stuff and ask questions later.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, all the things, too, like, really is caffeine the worst one?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you can buy some crazy shit on eBay, but not caffeine.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, all kinds of weird research chemicals and stimulants and, like, fake Xanx.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you have to come to popular.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I was thinking though, like, since we're on this trajectory, we might as we'll go full, uh, DJ and, and, and, and, you know, I don't know, revive what's, uh, what do you call it when you, like, uh, take a dead thing in your brain.
[SPEAKER_01]: Resurrect.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, like there's nothing stopping by from doing that, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, selling it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I didn't say sell it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, just a make it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, bring it forth back to life.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I always thought they should have sold like four loco with like a little thing attached to it, where you just, it's like a syrup you pour in.
[SPEAKER_04]: What's the syrup, caffeine?
[SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[SPEAKER_01]: like why does nobody do this just too much liability or is it actually not legal?
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean like me though that sports drink squirting like you know you squirt into water and flavors that Nigel had one that we had caffeine in it too, but it was a drink with caffeine.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hate has flavor in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not talking to flavor less.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what I bet you?
[SPEAKER_01]: That you're just going to get sued if you tried to sell something like that and someone is going to inevitably put way too much.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, they're going to be six servings of caffeine and one drink.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know you'd have to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever seen the like flow nays, cartridges, it's like a nasal allergies steroid?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a counter on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Despite some other like single dose medicine,
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you mean a counter?
[SPEAKER_04]: So you can't do it too often.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it like it does like a slow dose.
[SPEAKER_04]: It slowly refills the dose.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it refills.
[SPEAKER_04]: It just sort of like indicates to true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you've done a dose to true.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've done a dose.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe like if you had just a squirt vile of caffeine that was concentrated, you would have to trust that the people doing and are dosing it correctly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you say, well, you just squeeze it more if you want more, then you're definitely going to get in trouble and core.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you say, like, well, no, there's a thing that says explicitly like every action is a serving.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they use are knowingly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because those, you know, like water flavoring things.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like squeeze for one and a half seconds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or something like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you could be like, how hard of a squeeze.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that much caffeine in that, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like 35 milligrams of serving.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you squeeze like half the fucking thing out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I bet you could sell this if it was just like a single serving was like 70 milligrams of caffeine, but you only had like five servings.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like something where you're not going to kill the person if they eat the whole bottle.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: On accident.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think Mio would be bad if you drank that whole bottle.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think you could do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's so much flavor in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I think as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I think you I think you could totally do this Nigel and you would just get sued to oblivion if you sold it and when someone, you know, uh, what do they call what's that sandwich place Paneras themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need, um, someone else has got to do it, but I'd buy it.
[SPEAKER_01]: What about just caffeine pills like Drake does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's too much caffeine and one shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: We would be trying to dose anyways.
[SPEAKER_01]: Caffeinated chocolate.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what kind of pisses me off is that sometimes you're like, oh, I want some caffeine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want like a pick me up.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're like, I don't feel like having coffee.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really want a red bowl.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you, for example, I go, I want some green tea.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's not enough caffeine.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's more green tea.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got less water, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or you might be like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been in water.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, I want to be able to make that choice.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be stuck to these caffeine-containing drinks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to be able to put in like what 35 milligrams of caffeine 25?
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a red bull equivalent, maybe 70?
[SPEAKER_00]: 70?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, your freaking caffeine pill is like right there at 100.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess you could crush it up and throw it in a...
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think it was terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've got probably a few grams of caffeine in a storage beaker that has some burnt rice flour, and that I wouldn't come out of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, you're trying to extract the calories.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I know why they have few hoods and labs.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've learned this, the sort of the OSHA way of, oh, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't tell you this, Nigel, did I?
[SPEAKER_01]: What I did, and I was extracting the caffeine from the caffeine pills.
[SPEAKER_01]: So my hop plate has a thermal couple on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like temperature probe, I don't know what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming it's probably not a thermal couple.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so do any of your hop plates have thermal couples on them?
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's my next question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do your hot plates have dual temperature control, where it will use the thermal couple, but if that spikes, it uses the hot plate, like a limiter, they're going to power spike in the current control, right, even if you never actually hit it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what you mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so what I'm saying is I was boiling off the ethanol out of the caffeine extraction and then the liquid level went below the temperature probe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm like at some point and I just go to it might go crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it might.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, the apps are fucking literally dead, and I look over and I see like whispers of like white vapor coming off of the caffeine sub-sublimating caffeine so I unplug the the thermocouple and I Why just turn the whole fucking thing off and all right, let me you're you're you're you're a purifying it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, yeah I go I my phone out and I like Google the you know like boiling point of caffeine Yeah, and I look at the temperature on the hot plate and I was like huh
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like sitting in the garage.
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel really alert right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know why and I feel like for the next one of years whoever goes in that garage and touches a single fucking surface to his up some caffeine does like through their skin is going to be like, I love this garage like imagine being addicted to a physical location.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, does that ever happen to imagine like a garage gets covered in, I don't know, what's a really addictive nicotine?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like every tool in your workshops covered in nicotine oil, a thin film.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you don't really know it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just know that every time you go and work in the garage, you like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you stop feeling bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you stop feeling bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: The second you leave the garage, you start feeling bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got a little back in there.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got to keep working.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what that's what's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's fleas.
[SPEAKER_00]: The biggest risk when you evaporate liquids is just like burning your stuff or doing just like too much heating.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if it's like ethanol, all you're trying to do is counteract mostly the fact that it cools down as you evaporate it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I, you could probably put the heat, you know, relatively low, don't you?
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't even, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, not just the thermocouple.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a, yeah, yeah, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, but you know that there's like a fucking gradient across it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like the plate itself, like you'd have to set the plate like, like, like you're trying to put more heat into it to boil it faster.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you set the hot plate to like 80C, it doesn't put a lot of heat in what it should do what it like actually should do and this is like how a lot of 3D printers were catching on fire in the day yeah is if you put energy into the hot plate and the thermal couple temperature does not change you can just assume there's a thermal runaway.
[SPEAKER_01]: What they should actually fucking do is make it so that if there's like too big of a difference between the hot plate temperature and the thermocouple temperature.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, kill it or throw an alarm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you get like a 10 degree difference between the two go nuts like scream at me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming that would help 90% of situations.
[SPEAKER_01]: 99%.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because no, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really use the thermal couple, so really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Then none of your temperatures are accurate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, they don't have to be because the big thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just, I just don't need it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to use vibes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, no, it's, I think it's fine if you used it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, if you are trying to hold the, you know, like, if you're trying to heat water up, but not oil it and you, but you want to do it close to boiling and you command the hot plate to go to, you know, like 95 C, the water is actually probably going to be at like 80.
[SPEAKER_00]: Generally, if it depends on your hot plate, obviously, but the it also depends on like the volume of water and kind of the shape of the container, but in general if you're doing like 500 mills a leader or even like more I find that.
[SPEAKER_00]: On average, you have to double the hot plate temperature compared to the water temperature if you have stirring on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just go old school.
[SPEAKER_00]: I put a thermometer in and I just, I set it to double and then I just move it from there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could use the thermocouple.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like the idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't like it after this experience either.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, holy shit, that could get you into some fucking trouble.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it running away like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I, I mean, I guess the second tip is pay attention to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I, yes, I agree with you 100%.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the worst that happened?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just taking some fucking lives.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I went into the one the one trick like I was saying is if you put the hot plate to like Let's say you know the boiling point of ethanol is like what is it like 80 Double it, so put your hot plate to 160 I mean, I'll never go there and then put a bit of put a light fan over it and You'll probably come back in your ethanol's like cold like it never really gets
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll need to worry when the ethanol is all gone and then whatever you have might crispify.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But usually that's what I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that, um, what I've done is I just bought a lot like a kilogram of caffeine instead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: The trick is don't do any of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just start with the end product.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, I was like, I don't really like chemistry that much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of like a Coke speaking of all this caffeine.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you just have one.
[SPEAKER_04]: I did, but I want another.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm addicted.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be rocked.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like this sort of, um, like the two-step chemistry, where it's like, A, do this, B, do that, and then you don't go any deeper, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Feel like your chemistry is, like, you know, hundred-step chemistry with trial and error.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm on, I'm on three thousand-step chemistry, where today I found out the entire machine I bought, uh, I don't actually need.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which one?
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I bought a, uh, a centering furnace, but I realized that I was mistaken about it's use.
[SPEAKER_00]: So really?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've had it for like two years.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I only figured out today.
[SPEAKER_01]: What does it do?
[SPEAKER_01]: Centering.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so for melting powder.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I got a centering furnace and at the time, I was like, oh, I need a centering furnace that can do a vacuum.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I found a centering furnace that can, it's a vacuum centering furnace.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then I was like, oh, sick.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it says it can do atmospheres as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, our gone atmosphere.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, oh, this is really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: literally I'm finally getting around on the magnet project, being able to use the centering, do the centering step.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I go to set it up and I did test it before, because I was trying to cross over it too with our tungsten cube project.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it can be used the centering tungsten, so it's a high temperature furnace, but I'm setting it up.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yes, that's how they made your adequately usually.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's how they do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was looking things up and I was I spent days trouble fixing it we can do making it so it's good to go and then I was reading something in the manual and it just tip me off as something weird and then with a little bit more reading I'm like Oh, this thing's not supposed to run under vacuum
[SPEAKER_01]: like operate under vacuum, it's just you can pull a vacuum on it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're supposed to pull a vacuum so you can replace it with our God.
[SPEAKER_01]: But how the fuck would it heat the part up with in a vacuum?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the problem?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all radiative.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, and that was a whole other problem that I've had to like, you know, address and figure out.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it turns out I can't use it at all for what I need to use it for.
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm like... You're to buy a new one?
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think I can get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I can get away with using a tube furnace I have for another project, but then the other problem I'm just realizing now is I have to
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's too soft.
[SPEAKER_00]: It gets too soft.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I actually have to go buy an aluminum tube and that's and the other, the secondary factor that kind of yeah, the thing that's bothering me now is I'm messaging the the Chinese company that it's never been it's never Canadian companies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Only China that does this cool shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the last time I broke, because I broke one of the courts tubes, I chipped them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They sent me new ones like really fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like a week later, I have them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have to get in quick though, because I don't know when the Chinese new year is because if I wear like 12, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if if I start getting too close to the new year, I will not have this course to for like a month and a half.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, this aluminum tube.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bra.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why don't you use a bag later?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll never to heat up.
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Laser.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it has to be under a high vacuum.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I vacuum.
[SPEAKER_04]: And courts window.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Shoot the laser at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: It also has to be through it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've also discovered it has to be in a centering box.
[SPEAKER_00]: Completely covered.
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_05]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a material that does not react with new DMM iron boron, which leads me to only two options, malibdenum or boron nitride, and it has to be a sealed, not sealed, but like it has to be in a box with a lid.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you heat up the box with the laser?
[SPEAKER_04]: Can the laser survive back here?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you would make like get a court's window and shine the laser through and yeah That work that has to be also super uniform on the box, which would work.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think more and I think it is conductive Yeah, I think that's why He's got big I mean the laser introduces I think he's got you some what's cheaper for me
[SPEAKER_00]: is just getting the aluminum tube on time to get it from me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're like 50 bucks a piece or maybe a hundred bucks or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I need.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need my Chinese contact to reply.
[SPEAKER_01]: I so like looking like buying this Sacha machine, this use Sacha machine has kind of made me like go back into this like supplier manufacturer pipeline that I hate so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it makes me realize, you know, like, why, you know, I feel like America is so bad at this shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I want, and I honestly, what I actually should do is probably just talk to go to like on to Alibaba and like find manufacturers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like calling a company here because my question is about like packaging, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So you get the Sachet machine and you take a flat piece of plastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know how this worked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, because you can't make a tube.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't seal a tube, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't seal a tube, but you can't fill the tube.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the problem is how do you make a catch-up?
[SPEAKER_04]: How do you make a catch-up packet, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like it's actually like a load.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you get a tube, you fill the catch-up and then you seal it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But how do you fill the tube with catch-up?
[SPEAKER_01]: because one end is sealed and the other end is attached to a long spool of tube.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So do you like have to unravel the entire tube and like shove it up?
[SPEAKER_01]: So this like sucks it to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like no, what they do is they use a flat piece of film that's like a few inches wide.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the machine like folds it into, you know, in half.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it seals the bottom.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: One continuous action.
[SPEAKER_01]: and the side seals the bottom and the side and it like zips it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, so it's like it has like the heating on.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a big L. And so the L like seals one side and the bottom and when it seals the bottom, it's also sealing the top of the previous one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the injector fills on the the open time of top where like the the film is kind of coming down like a you and then it like pinches together to be like a tube yeah it fills it right there and then the whole film moves down and it closes which then forms the next two sided seal yeah two sided seal I think or no three yeah just two sides one two because it back side is continuous.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it like feels the top of the previous one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so just over and over again, but there's like registration marks on the plastic that you can use if you have like printing on the plastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, well, if you print on the plastic like how does that work?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so there's like print shops.
[SPEAKER_01]: I sent someone an email and they like never got back to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and like all I want is just information.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, like, I want to have like a 10 minute conversation with somebody that can just tell me like, oh, yeah, like there's one style of index for these machines or maybe they're like, oh, you can just move the optical head around on the machine to like line up wherever your index marker is like if you ever see those black strips on a packet, that's how the machine knows where the where to start and stop.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to go get some packets and luck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a shit ton.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's like, I don't know if you have to have the index and like a specific part.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you have to have like a certain number of them or it has to be like a certain width.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if you have to have one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or if you can just program the machine to like run forward, you know, for like what it thinks is like an inch.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's a step or motor or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what I want to do is I want like ideally, I want to like print custom packages.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you like know what each thing that you're packaging is.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like doing that here is gonna be a nightmare.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't even know where to start and I feel like I'm gonna annoy the fuck out of somebody, calling them.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wait, so like this, this white corner.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that white corner's the index, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that this is all have it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you see this, the white strip on the salsa, I think is the index to as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like a Mexican style McDonald's salsa.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell you that if you are curious about stuff, just go on Ali Baba and talk to the seller.
[SPEAKER_00]: But why is it why is it that I feel more comfortable talking to a Chinese supplier about this than an American company I think it's just the way that the dialogue works like just the fact that half the sellers will just send you emojis no I find it's way more casual Um, and on top of that it's kind of a guess I mean
[SPEAKER_00]: how they do business.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I heard from someone that a lot of the companies that sell stuff in China, a lot of their stuff is like subsidized by the government.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like they're they're not like, you know, capitalist people in America who are just trying to make a sale.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are trying to make a sale in a mountain or bigger, or they tell you they just like won't give you the time of day.
[SPEAKER_00]: I find it's just different like they're they're more willing for whatever reason actually just to have like a conversation with you Yeah, and the times that I've said oh actually doesn't fit my budget or I actually don't need it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually there's
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually except the one time the one absolute time though so bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I emailed someone and I was trying to get all these quotes for when I was getting like burrillium in different metals and I forget exactly why she gave me some quotes, but the prices were like
[SPEAKER_00]: There's something weird about like too high, or the purity wasn't good enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I tried to let her down nicely, and I was like, hey, I don't actually need it anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I was like, I don't actually need it anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll contact you in the future if I need it, but for now I don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she had been like sending me follow-up emails a bit and I'm like, oh, I just don't need it, but I actually remember I felt so embarrassed when this happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: I of course still needed it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I went back on Ali Baba and I sent messages.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, I sent her a message asking.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so confusing, it's just you know she blast out something to like a billing piece.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, she called me out.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was like, she was like, sure, you say you don't need it, but then you clearly need it and continue messaging.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you like, can you not just tell the truth?
[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's a liar.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, can you not just tell the truth?
[SPEAKER_00]: Ed, I've like, you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I literally said, hey, I don't like need it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you didn't need it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, well, don't I get a metal shit?
[SPEAKER_00]: You got sticky.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I thought it was good enough to just be straight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, look, I'm not doing business with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Business with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was just so fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, why do you have to lie?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why can't you not be honest?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: She's not wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was so... She's like, just tell me why.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't just know.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll tell me why.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why don't you want my metal?
[SPEAKER_00]: I was so afraid.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was so afraid.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was so afraid.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was so afraid.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I sent an email to a supplier like here a couple of weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: I say maybe two weeks ago at this time, see if I can find it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, why don't you go on Ali Baba, send the seller a picture of your machine and say, I need packets for the machine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did, well, yeah, so this, this company, it was called like a assemblies or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I'm looking for a food grade single serving packet for a liquid soda syrup, product project details, a liquid syrup, tear open packet, fill volume one or two ounces, initial quantity 10,000, the goal, most cost effective packaging, print simple, label, just text would be great if inexpensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I'm like, let me know what information you need for an accurate quote and they just like never responded.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_04]: And somebody they could tell like that's not how they actually get emails.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's not they're not even a bother.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know the link though.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know how to format it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have their swag.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have their shitty fucking ketchup packet swag.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that lets me and they open the little fucking door.
[SPEAKER_01]: They probably call them like.
[SPEAKER_01]: Type 722.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're eye.
[SPEAKER_01]: They poke.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they're eye other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, fucking door and they look at you and they look and then you talk and then they just close it They don't say a single word.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's closed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't belong here.
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll give you a chance to say the past word They don't teeth.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to teach you anything.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think you're at the right place.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, they don't say that No, just be a loser And you hear like a couple more lock engaged.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're like you should try we need how juniors
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I just it makes me so mad like I just tell me how much I give me something so that I can re-evaluate and be like, okay, well, clearly I have to order like 50,000 fucking labels, but like maybe that's fine Maybe that's not that expensive and I'll just do it, but like just give me something to work with you
[SPEAKER_01]: box, I don't know, that's just that's how I feel about American companies like I can't do the things I want to do and they won't do it because I'm not a customer coming in with like a breaking $20,000 contract.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, this is like going to be $1,000 bucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: We just won't even do it at that point.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe they're so busy, you know, they don't have any downtime.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, you know what, I'm gonna say the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, like I said, I grew at that alley bobble lady.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, why can't those companies just let me down easy?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is telling me they don't have time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: But instead, they just drag you for months.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because being like, oh yeah, yeah, we'll take a look at it and then they just never reply.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if they say,
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, we have a minimum order quantity of 20,000 or 50,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fucking told me that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll give me something so I know that when I'm shopping or I'm gonna have to buy way more of these than I need.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't even get that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even get that information.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there was a local company here that had like a 2500 or a minimum on their website.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was to package stuff into packet.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that was a custom label or anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: At least like giving me the information I need to make a decision.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like can I spend that much money?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems kind of stupid.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like just calling people.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't do emails anymore.
[SPEAKER_04]: I call them until they answer.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, okay, you know, you don't have the highest level strategy that I've not yet applied is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jumping and immediately to tell.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, jump to the going on Ali Baba and asking for their WhatsApp number and just calling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, that you might have to have to be able to speak Chinese, which is maybe why I haven't tried it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also, it's to me that's a high level strad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like saying, like, dude, it's a kid.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you speak English?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yes, it's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm calling you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, too late.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's like, I swear, I swear that some of these companies, they have some people who are actually speak pretty decent English, you could, yeah, or if you could speak Chinese, you could contact someone on Ali Baba, everything happens around like probably like, I mean, my time like 10 PM, you could probably have a phone call, I guess like 7 PM your time, you could probably hop on a call and within like 30 minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: like every all your problems are solved and the sale is done and we're sending you the invoice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why is that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why it almost feels like like sales for trying to manufacture some distributors is like such an important thing in America like building relationships and there's no sales in America.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just the billing department and the billing department is like, well, I'm not going to waste my time if you're not going to, if I can't bill you for an insane amount of money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like
[SPEAKER_00]: I think like the way the it works too is like I don't know why if you look the connection between like the people in their company logistically their way more connected because even I was what I was listening to a random YouTube video of a guy talk about it and he was saying that manufacturing the U.S.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like just sucks he goes the number of people he contacted in China to make like a bottle or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: All he wanted was a custom glass bottle, and they would say like, oh, do you want labeling for it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want packaging?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want this?
[SPEAKER_00]: We can arrange everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know a guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, let me manage your project and for like a 3% commission or something or a 5% commission, we will be the project manager.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said that he got that offer from the bottle company, the label company, the box company.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, they're all competing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Logistically they're they have a much better just kind of like infrastructure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it just works like like imagine you you want one And greet you want to make a thing, but it is too ingredient one of them is to your left mild on the road and the other one is to your right Am I a road you're like okay, I'm just fucking do this today
[SPEAKER_01]: But instead of what you have here is one of them is 3,000 miles down the road in some, you know, across the country and in another country.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the other one is like 10,000 miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to go around the world fucking how many times.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually don't have how like my far as the world in a big circle.
[SPEAKER_00]: My dad talks about this because I've had this question not as much, but my dad who orders up from China, he said that he's talked to some people multiple times and they go, are you ordering anything else from China and you're kind of like, it seems like, well, are you representing China?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're just like, no, no, if they would, sorry, they're like, are you ordering anything from Shenzhen?
[SPEAKER_01]: And my dad's like consolidate all year one like that goes through them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, my dad literally said he goes, yeah, we're ordering this.
[SPEAKER_00]: He goes, oh, I know that company.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me talk to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you pay me 50 bucks, we can combine the shipment.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll bring it there on my dad's like my dad's like, wait, just save like 200 bucks on a boat in America's 50 bucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: You pay a look for overnight shipping in the ship at a week later.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it was just like literally just happened to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's not an exam.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's not an exam.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I bought like the o-rings.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were rebuild kit for the cylinder.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I bought, you know, two or four from the same guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, please combine the shipping.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then like a week after I got the order, I got a notification like $10 was refined.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I will say, like in just as, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: No, not pretty bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every so often I I mortar from MSE supplies what's that when I was buying like silicon wafer's they've a bunch of like oh, they have all the weird like diamond wafer's and stuff like that they have a lot of wait for stuff and when I want to buy like there's like ball milling stuff like I wanted a I wanted a aluminum oxide balls
[SPEAKER_00]: to put, uh, capital, they vote.
[SPEAKER_00]: They vote a lot of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, when I order from them, like I ordered something from them yesterday, it shipped today and it's scheduled to arrive tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, I have learned that they ship past and then they actually, they have a website with prices and yes, a lot of these companies don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they have a website with prices that when you click order, you can have it very soon after you ordered it at the price listed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was one of the things I experienced organizing my garage made me think of like dangerous thing, like the most dangerous thing in your house, but it also kind of, it kind of, you know, I don't know, feels like it's tied to the idea of American craftsmanship.
[SPEAKER_01]: My garage door.
[SPEAKER_01]: I fucking hate my garage door.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I also know that it is like the most dangerous thing in your house, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, uh, what do you mean, no?
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think is more dangerous than a garage toy?
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what garbage disposal?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: No electricity, fire, natural gas.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay, okay, so let's say you're like, uh, your dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think maybe you say your dad's like, hey Kevin, uh, you want to help me in the garage with the garage door.
[SPEAKER_01]: How does that make you feel?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I got to fix the spring.
[SPEAKER_01]: How does that make you feel?
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not worried about the spring.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that that big garage door wants you to be afraid of the spring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I think it is?
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's that if you don't know how the spring works.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you don't know what thing will make the spring move.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then it's very dangerous too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Also, you have to, you know, it's like a two step process.
[SPEAKER_04]: You have to have these these metal rods that you stick in the spring.
[SPEAKER_04]: The tighten it one after the other.
[SPEAKER_04]: And if one of them slips out, the whole spring is just going to explode.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Or knock you in the jaw with one of the metal rods.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was investigating my garage door because it doesn't seal like at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's enormous gap all around it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I looked at Kevin's garage door and I was like, huh, interesting, interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I noticed also that you couldn't push the garage door any closer to the wall, because then when the garage door retracts, like the very last panel would scrape it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm looking at the garage door and like how much money would it cost to read a higher company to come out and like unfuck it?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it no less than a thousand dollars, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably more.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm looking at it, I'm looking at it, I'm trying to figure out like, okay, like what what is the spring connected to like what how does this how does that and what I ended up doing a fix it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is I found I had like a bolt like a half inch bolt and I shoved it into one of the spring tightening holes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that you know like that's the cross thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I zip tie, I put a nut on the bolt and then put a zip tie on top of the nut and then I zip tie around the shaft.
[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently, I'll only send a picture.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a Johnny can put on the screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, John, a picture incoming hot, hot off the girl.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which room plays into two links?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, there she is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this, I think I'm very proud of this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't die and I did the thing you're not supposed to do because I didn't want to adjust the spring.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to lift the door off of the spring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I could figure out how to make that stupid fucking bottom wheel a little bit lower.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that when the last panel comes around, it doesn't scrape the door.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wait.
[SPEAKER_04]: What am I looking at?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're looking at.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So go more to the right John.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, so that's the thing that the garage door people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, first of all, that's the spring right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the like the the socket thing that the garage door people put like the pulp posts into like to crank it down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I stuck as a nut on the bolt and then I tied a zip tie around the nut and then I tied a zip tie around the the shaft the axle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and so that way then the bolt couldn't fall out.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I see.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then you just adjusted it a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: So then you could spin the.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so then I slowly lift it up the door, which then kick the ball in against the wood.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that basically stopped the spring from lifting the door and they locked the spring in place.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I was able to just pry the door up like six inches and shove a stool under it and then that released the spring tension from the door.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then this is like, I'm telling you, man, I saved so much money, but one day I'll end up
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then what I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I thought Will met when the garage door was dangerous.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, look at the clip.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, no, that would, she's just, was that scary movie?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I realize that whatever fucking more on install this door like 20 years ago, they put the wheel on the bottom to high.
[SPEAKER_01]: They like drilled their own holes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what happens is when you put the wheel to high, then like the part where the door like the door goes up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It like fucking rotates around the wheel if the wheels to high, it like the whole door.
[SPEAKER_01]: Imagine imagine imagine you're installing your front door to your house.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when you go to close it, like the door hits the sill.
[SPEAKER_01]: So instead of fucking fixing it, you just take like a little two by four and put your goddamn like door pin
[SPEAKER_01]: you like take that little metal plate and you just mount it like three inches back from your feet and so now when you close your door they're like a one inch gap you can see outside people coming and looking inside your fucking house through the hall that was my garage door yeah and i'm like you could you could people walking by you could just hear them cars you hear like everything was so loud and i'm sitting there looking at this door that's someone could have paid like an extra $500 to install better
[SPEAKER_01]: And then just put the wheel lower, no, there was already holes there, kind of a job, bring the picture up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I sent a thank you picture, look at this shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm like, I, I cannot stress enough in my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why pay someone to fuck it up when I could just fuck it up myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like seriously, if I call the garage door company with they have fixed that, like zoom in you see that hole up there is where it was screwed in and then the whole below it is like the actual hole that existed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and so I was able to like move them down like a half an inch and that immediately fixed the whole problem and I have the door shut up against the goddamn wall now nice and so it seals like perfectly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't die so I just want to say anyone out there who's thinking about working on the garage door themselves build up the courage yes and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry safety glasses it's easy it is you can do it yourself.
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't be afraid of that big spring That's just big garage door telling you that it's dangerous I swear that's like a technique of all trade jobs is to tell people that they can't do it themselves I like you better not yeah do this like so many bad things could happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know Honestly though you like seeing your average person does something I wouldn't want to tell them how to do it either
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I could people killed themselves doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they definitely have.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably broke my jaw.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's what happens is like they put a fucking piece of rebar in that post to like crank the spring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then something slips and then it freaking winds up and clocks them in the head.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I picked my garage door.
[SPEAKER_01]: I worked with garage door springs.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not afraid of them anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just have, I really, it's like one more stake in the ground of like do everything yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't fucking trust anybody.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone here, like they know, everybody wants to do a good job.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just want to squeeze as much money out of use possible and let you hear every goddamn sound on the street from your garage when the door is closed.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just saved $1,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I should call a company and ask how much they would charge to do it and see what they say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really would like to know how much I say.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: They wouldn't even tell you they're going to have to send somebody out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I mean, after your story about the fucking air conditioner subscription.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess my ass.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not paying a garage door subscription, too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Got to send the tech out.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's going to be 80 bucks to get the quote.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or you can subscribe to garage door repair man services for.
[SPEAKER_01]: Would you pay?
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, it was 35 a month and you have many months did you do it before you were six or eight got you dumb ask you dumb ask you fucking dumb Yeah, I mean good.
[SPEAKER_04]: I couldn't even remember the name of the place that I call no I wanted to cancel it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's bad That's really nice.
[SPEAKER_04]: You should be embarrassed No Maybe a little bit they should be embarrassed.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm the victim
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been, I've been organizing my old stuff though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a lot of old stuff for your old stuff like from like high school or earlier?
[SPEAKER_04]: Not really.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what your old shit you have laying around.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, not too much.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I definitely still have some.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm like like chemicals or lab equipment, something where you just like, you bought it a long time ago.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I mean, I have a lot of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: But just like you still use it or kind of.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's why I feel like maybe I will use it someday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm, you want to know what I organized yesterday for about two hours?
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't even begin to imagine.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of the, like, miscellaneous nuts and bolts.
[SPEAKER_01]: No way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just been like throwing into a fucking bin since, like, high school and college.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow, you organized the bulk bucket?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, I didn't, like, I didn't 100% organize it, but I first started with, I had a bulk of, like, 10, 20, 10, 32s, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was 1032, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I basically was like, quarter 20, 1032, metric.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then once I was done with that, I took the metric bin.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I was like, these match, I just like, clocked the threads together to see if they match.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I later, I spent it for like two hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't fully organized it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that the little bits and bops, I'm just going to fucking throw away, I'm like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be like the miscellaneous tiny screws.
[SPEAKER_04]: Just do like a rough organizing, like, these are all like, yeah, quarter 20.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking like the bolts you get in like a TV mouth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like a wall mouth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you have like a box full of those like Ikea?
[SPEAKER_01]: I not the special taste stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just immediately throw away.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, like I keep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, like the hard work hits.
[SPEAKER_01]: They come in like the plants.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the sea of like strips.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the freaking hot dog, like casings.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, instead of meat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I, and I knew I couldn't just throw it all away, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think there was like some part of me that would have killed itself if I Yeah, throw it all away even though that's the right answer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I just sat there just and I knew it was a waste of time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like man, I should just order a kit.
[SPEAKER_01]: but I did it and I don't regret it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it was maybe some form of therapy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That makes any sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was it was like going through your, you know, imagine like a parent or grandpa dies that you were close.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like you're fixing past Williams mistakes, you know, like closing parts of your life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have known that that bin or it was these like tubs, like, you know, soup tubs from the tire restaurant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, both of them that simple.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's had been sitting there for a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, I have to take care of this problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's almost like I like a wound, like a physical wound.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And if I wound on your soul.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because what happens if you throw it away?
[SPEAKER_01]: You need it, but like, no, it's worsen that you're like, why did I ever keep those?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, it's an admission of guilt and it's, yeah, it's like, I think it's, it's not an admission of No, it's a little different.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of the same, but it's almost like I like you never have been holding on to this for so long.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought I would need it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I, I never needed it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why did I hold on to it for so long?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: What was I thinking?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think by just spending the time to organize it was kind of like it was like, okay, I did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did the thing that I always kind of felt I was going to do, which was the justification for keeping this shit, which if I would have thrown away, then I was lying to myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it makes sense because everybody's been there because it's not that I don't need it because I definitely will need that stuff Like okay, you like I'll need some like an m or bolt at some point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I know exactly where it is now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's accessible.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's more just like The I threw it away.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saved it for a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I promised that I was gonna do so I had this idea that I was gonna do this and I never did it And I'm ashamed of myself
[SPEAKER_01]: It may be discipline.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like proving what do they call when a Samurai like to sort of kill themselves Sub-Supaku the Paxadoku What do they call that?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like proof of your What do they call that when you have like commitment the ultimate commitment like Red is it are Ultimate commitment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't say I don't see old when you like resolve
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: My resolve.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like proved my resolve last night.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I organizing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: 400 nuts and both.
[SPEAKER_04]: So now you can keep holding on to stuff because you know eventually in the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: You aren't.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what it means.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that me showing my resolve then is like I can now reassess my relationship with fucking garbage.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, not if I get that sounds bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Trash.
[SPEAKER_01]: Saving trash.
[SPEAKER_01]: Salvage.
[SPEAKER_01]: Having sex with trash is what I'm trying to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have I think that's I think why I am and I'm just you know and it's good things are good good my shit is together my stool is loose finally finally So I don't know I that's and then the the final closure of this is knowing that you guys save your fucking trash too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep, even you save your trash I know it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you what do you fucking have that you shouldn't have, Nigel?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's cheating for me a trial is just like sitting on a take-up space.
[SPEAKER_01]: Give chemicals in your parents' house, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you don't have like a cabinet of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a drawer in my parents house and I had a fucking apple juice bottle, like a single serving apple juice bottle full of aluminum savings that came out of a goddamn sauce.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, not a sauce all circular sauce from cutting this like aluminum grating at an old job.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, wow, it's a lot of like aluminum shading.
[SPEAKER_01]: I should fuck you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could do something with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course, fucking drawers for like 10 years.
[SPEAKER_04]: I still have a Wii U.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why haven't used it in six years and it just sits in my eyes and work.
[SPEAKER_04]: It does.
[SPEAKER_04]: It just takes up an entire box with like the games and the controllers.
[SPEAKER_01]: You really seem like a weak kind of guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you know, you're telling me, Angela, you don't have a single piece of fucking shit from your childhood number.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't say that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said I don't have a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like definitely not
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, two years ago, three years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember two years ago when you said you were going to learn how to place a song?
[SPEAKER_00]: Two years ago, that was like six months ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing is, the thing is, I used to be able to play guitar because it's kind of, it's kind of like,
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I'm an old person.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's never going to surrender to this.
[SPEAKER_04]: I still have a guitar that I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: A person who, like, just, I don't, it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Normally you pick something up.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like riding a bike.
[SPEAKER_00]: You get back on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, wow, like I totally forgot, but I still, you know, once I started, I got the hang of it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, nothing, the memory's gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make any sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I restarted and watching the same tutorials.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, it's like I was relearning everything all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It actually made me think that there might be something wrong with my brain.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that every goddamn day God will be up Okay, it's time for the extra.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's a ten more minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but what's what is the what's the most dangerous thing that you own well in your house All right, and I mean that like like from the garage door perspective, right like I think
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, going through, going through my shit, trying to sort of like fix some of the booboos in my life, you know, like I don't need to fix the garage door, but I want to.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't need to go through my childhood things, but like I want to.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to sort of like, do you have any of those clouds in your head that you just want to get rid of that have in, like, at all, like, I mean, yeah, I guess.
[SPEAKER_04]: Are you talking about like, no, I just, I just, I,
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I found like firecrackers too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm not dangerous, but like they definitely are like not like what kind of firecrackers are like little red ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like this they're like small.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, each with like their own little views on them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but like going through your stuff, you know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I just not limited.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's just like household crap, but I mean, like going through your stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is like the worst thing that you have.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, acid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like old acid, unlabeled acid?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, just bottles of nitric acid.
[SPEAKER_04]: If there's one thing that kind of keeps me awake at night is if there was an earthquake, something really bad would happen in the past.
[SPEAKER_01]: Last bottles?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Want to get a chemical coming or something?
[SPEAKER_04]: that would help, but it's still like even a plastic bottle, you know, used to be in like a 2.5 liter plastic bottle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And like, you know, if that fell over, it would be bad too.
[SPEAKER_01]: What, what described the bad?
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: So nitric acid releases clouds of poisonous gas when it gets nitric acid.
[SPEAKER_04]: uh it's nitrogen dioxide.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, yeah, that's the red gas.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the red gas.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it just reacts good stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: Everything.
[SPEAKER_04]: It nitric acid reacts with everything.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it tends to set things on fire when it does that, too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you have like fire, you have toxic gas.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, and then yeah, that's just my thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember Nigel, yeah, we've gone over this before.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even having me on a patio with nitric acid,
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, you know, I have a few main nights, I guess.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, a propane tank, but that was in the middle of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, what's that?
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's your, what about like in your personal stuff, Nigel?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's like the thing that scares you the most?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, batteries.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've old, like, those two, to that city there in a box.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I never, I hardly use them.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_04]: I never do, but, you know, nice to have around.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the good news of those is they only pop when they're being used.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or charged.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think all of these are probably just dead by now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that if they've been sitting a long time And they've gone bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have nothing left to give is my theory and I could be wrong But I bet you I'm like 95% right on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, don't charge them We'll see.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so you're saying personally or at the office.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, if you died and Someone was going through your shit
[SPEAKER_02]: You got any of those.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have to say that it's all the office really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I was like labeling.
[SPEAKER_01]: I took a bottle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like filled up a little file of ethanol so that they would have access to your your ever clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And label it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was looking at it and I was like, I should probably label that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I did what's your, I mean, ethanol is not that bad, but like,
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it would be like, I don't know, something like just a jar and unlabeled jar with maybe something, something in it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Fucking throw it in the trash.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what about you, Nigel?
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that the thing that concerns me the most in general, it is just a lot of the chemicals.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do my best to label everything, but it's like, there are certain things that I'm sure people would have to get some sort of external help.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or is there a company going to my camel?
[SPEAKER_01]: I bet there's got to be a company like a like a lab disposal company, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, like how's that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Clean up.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, I have like my bromine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have my cabinet of oxidizing stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have, you know, hydrofluoric acid.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the bromine is pretty scary to keep around.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think the hydrophloric acid, that's more like corrosion risk where it's like I would be afraid that somebody just grabs the hydrophloric, I also have a bunch of white phosphorus that people probably don't think is a problem until they, I mean, I don't think why I don't know why they take it out of the water.
[SPEAKER_00]: How much bro do you have?
[SPEAKER_00]: Not that much anymore, probably like I used a lot of it for one of the videos, but I probably have like 80 grams or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you do with the hard work?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I said if you wanted to dispose of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you could.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you do legally or illegally, um, uh, we all in the right order off the record.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is your average person going to do it morally ethical.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, morally ethical.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think legal is fucking horses.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you know, radically theoretically.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that you could die to loot it and then just neutralize it with like sodium bicarb or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of them sodium bicarb.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, carbonate or bicarbonate, and it'll just make sodium fluoride, which if you just diluted enough, you're just like kind of pouring toothpaste down the drain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you don't have to dilute it that much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like my fluoride toothpaste, I think it's like 5% sodium fluoride.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's pretty tolerable.
[SPEAKER_00]: You definitely shouldn't put the pure acid down the drain because I think you just attacks everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are the bromine?
[SPEAKER_00]: The bromine you can neutralize it pretty easily.
[SPEAKER_04]: You could just open it outside, go to an empty field and crack it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, just crack it in a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you put the homies.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, like Kevin's right, like especially here in the winter, if it's, if there's snow, you could just pour it all on the snow and it would just eventually actually will stay frozen for a while, but it will slowly vaporize.
[SPEAKER_00]: There'll be some weird brown snow for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you just like fucking died,
[SPEAKER_01]: What would everyone do?
[SPEAKER_01]: How would they start to get rid of the things without you there?
[SPEAKER_01]: What would they do?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any idea?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think most of the stuff is doable.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think people would find a lot of fun stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I would say like Reggie and your brother, like, what would they do?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the first step.
[SPEAKER_01]: Would they know what to do?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or would they have the problems?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because now you're dead.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know what you mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you fucking got it.
[SPEAKER_04]: You be touching everything in your lab.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: With his ass.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: How does he kill himself on accident?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because he's touched on everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: But everything With I mean, I guess the chemicals are always the things that are gonna be the most concerning I may be some radioactive stuff, but I don't really have anything that's like that Bad that bad if you're handling it, but what if somebody has no fucking idea was going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: You have like a thing on the cabinet.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like no no no no no test.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of set things up just in case, but also, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to think about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I kind of like, I know, I think if I died, really honestly, it would just be like, passwords.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure there's too much that I have that's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like secretly bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're like unassumingly dangerous.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's also pretty obvious.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like honestly, it's just a really nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't done anything too
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, there is an electrical thing that I did.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's some like kind of live wires dangling.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's sick in in a box.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this is the box.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it doesn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you just put Wiggles on them?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just remembered this.
[SPEAKER_04]: So thank you for for us.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just, I couldn't add it personally.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's, it's in the air compressor box.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I, I cut the wires and I tucked them in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go.
[SPEAKER_04]: So there's still live with 244 volts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck, you put one way to on it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I should do that later.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because you know, I know it is like, oh, what if Will needs to take the inverter and use it, he might he might get a little out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gee.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what that's literally how I think about like everything that I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, like Kevin comes in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to touch everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to touch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's going to has a confidence to touch it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and so then I'm like, all right, I got to like, you know, make it so that if you stick your hands in there, it's not like a total disaster.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, uh, I mean, you would you'd really have to get in there to touch the wire.
[SPEAKER_01]: Would you how easy would it be to just like knock them and make a big spark?
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, hard.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's no risk of that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they're only live actually while the are.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do.
[SPEAKER_04]: So they're connected to the inverter side of the.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's not just a random link.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like if there is accidental, like if there is exposed wires.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I pretty much immediately, that's huge red flag for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just assume they're live.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I would say if you're confident that you're not going to be like, you know, just you can see them or you'll never touch them without seeing them and they're not going to like, short and light something on fire, it's probably fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I basically just like cut the extension cord.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, an actual death cable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, kind of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, thank you guys for listening.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go to the x for right now and answer your questions and and that and that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Say it back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the people.
[SPEAKER_01]: See?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how much he care about you.
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll never say it about me.
[SPEAKER_01]: He won't even say it to Kevin.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say it to Kevin.
[SPEAKER_00]: What the fuck?
[SPEAKER_00]: I love you, Kevin.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like fucking bullshit.
[SPEAKER_00]: This sounded very as sound as sarcastic, but I meant it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, well, it feels so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I literally could not get any more depressed right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you had such a good day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, this is the final drop of the world because we're going rock bottom now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going home and I'm doing hard drugs.
[SPEAKER_04]: Spending more time in the garage.
[SPEAKER_01]: Subtle-bated caffeine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, see you guys on Patreon.
[SPEAKER_04]: Bye.