[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to a sort of joint Laura Hounds in probably Howard podcast covering a net of the seven kingdoms on HBO Max.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm John with me today.
[SPEAKER_01]: She always knows the word she's supposed to say for dead nobles, Alicia.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know the words because you put the scripts in front of me right now, the words are, today we're recapping season one episode five.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the name of the mother, we'll give our hot takes in the episode and then go into a scene my scene break down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we're here for hot takes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, Anthony was supposed to be with us.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I said it was sort of a joint lower-hounds properly our production Anthony's under the weather, so we're going to go on with Adam.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, we show, I don't know, I was gonna mix its song titles.
[SPEAKER_02]: We show overcome, we shall make it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody told somebody to get up before we lose them all together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, oh my god, that scream, that scream.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the scene, I mean, we're gonna get into it so quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that was the moment where I was like, they picked the bright egg.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, because he sounded like a spoiled prince, but he is a spoiled prince and in this case we're like rooting for like listen to the spoiled prince So good so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: What would you think overall?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, this was definitely a lot of people putting this up there with the best of all of the episodes in this universe, which is funny because they did the same about the last so I'm wondering if people which people prefer, but it is I mean it's full of
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, just the book part, which is basically the battle aspect.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's full of some nasty twists and turns.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to talk about, and then they added in this flashback aspect, too, which, you know, we get some teases, I think, more in the third novella about Dunks childhood, where he had three friends, one of them named Rafe, um, and seeing that, I think,
[SPEAKER_02]: helped contextualize his relationship with Arlin Moore.
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw right before we got on here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, question for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we're going full spoilers by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, full spoilers for the show up to this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: No book spoilers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Passage this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I think it was Ian who said who asked, did they fridge rave?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I'm going to say no and here's why, rafes outcome was definitely in part her own making.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was not a senseless victim of violence.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was picking a fight with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she was a victim of violence, but then instead of walking away, she continued to pick the fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: um, with with the guy who clearly she was overpowered by, um, and well, I don't want to blame the victim here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also like, I don't think she was just random violence here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's that's where I think virgin comes in is just like, oh, well, she died in the cart crash, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it would, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_02]: I suppose it's in this environment, um, the question is, did Duncan have three friends and we're going to find out the other two died before this, because King's landing, flea bottom just be like that, you know, um, somebody ended up in the stew, but it's all I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, bullet Brown.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you, so do you think that she was fridgeed?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I hadn't considered it until you mentioned it, and then I thought, well, I mean, I suppose in some ways, if it's a definition, but, um, not, I, I, I, I wasn't bothered by it, so I continued to not be bothered by it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it is, like you said, also, she had a lot of agency.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even beyond the way she died, she was kind of in charge of that relationship.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm, but also things like when she took his his cider flask and then just poured it out, like that was just petulant, which I understand she hates a sky with good reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I did like, well, first of all, it made me question, did Duncan see like a physical similarity in Tanzi as her, is that one reason why he was drawn to Tanzi?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that could be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that could be.
[SPEAKER_02]: faces in a way in coloring.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then also just the other way it introduced Sir Arlin to the story which is a change from the books where I mean we don't really get that much clarification there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just sort of like Sir Arlin
[SPEAKER_02]: found him after the battle in Ireland's nephew died, just basically found Duncan Fleebottom, but this gives Dunk also a bit more agency, and Sir Arlin less, I suppose, like Sir Arlin did the thing where he was the night, even though he was drunk and saved the lad, but then Dunk followed him and really sought out this life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, and they of course added a lot of mirroring with egg.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: How egg.
[SPEAKER_01]: Perched on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, and then you go like, ah, does, does dunk realize that?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if dunk does.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't know that Dunk is a great at pattern recognition in general, not the direction of sword swinging, not of it, if dude was like slightly less of a tank and had slightly worse armor, he would have been dead like six times in that fight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean he really is full tank, but sometimes that's what you need, that's why we have tanks in our armor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I liked though with the battle that they didn't make it like, you know, they showed like even when he was watching Star Island practice is this old man who's kind of swinging wildly in an R&A lost it basically and why would dunk having learned from him be good at, you know, the sword fighting, he just has to be sober, he wins.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just has to like be able to take more than the other side can give and give it back harder.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I I really mean that to sound sexual.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even, I didn't even put that together, but I fits the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, so Arlin the well-hung, he clearly a drunkard, clearly not that great of a mentor, clearly a tough, you know, a tough love kind of guy, if love at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder how, I honestly wonder how Duncan ended up as earnest as he is after this tutelage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's true, especially with, I mean, they make him in, I think this is a third book, so I won't say too much because I'll probably do more flashbacks, but it is about his backstory, but they make him kind of more of a bully of like, like they're chasing around girls, making them kiss severed heads in the book when they talk about his youth.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it does beg the question, why is he so nice?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the book implies that Arlen's the one who taught him to be nice, and the show does not seem to be setting things up the same way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't fall on thick as a castle wall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish somebody had said that in the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's time.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Season two.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's like a refrain in the book, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but maybe it's going to be something that someone a certain red head in season two makes up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Could be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you heard it here, folks.
[SPEAKER_01]: At least it's putting down her internet points.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Putting down her two silver stags with the media and a serial, early in-styled shrug.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, that's pretty good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm super happy with this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like you're pretty thrilled with this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to hear what David has to say?
[SPEAKER_01]: David couldn't be here with us for the live recording, but he said an voice mail.
[SPEAKER_01]: here we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey David here with a really quick voicemail feedback.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not going to lie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of looking forward to a really long and involved fight sequence.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I was a little disappointed when we went to the flashback and then I kept checking the time when we were going to get back into the fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: That said, I don't disagree with the choice for the flashback to King's landing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And given that they're going to set up for multiple seasons, I see that there's a logic there in giving us the Dunk origin story.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it'll be fun if Penny Tree, you know, we get visions of Penny Tree from time to time in key moments with sort of his spirit, his force ghost looking over Dunk and giving him shrugs and funny little things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we need any more full frontal nudity,
[SPEAKER_00]: But something else that I'd been wondering about was how they were going to Bridges into the Dunk in a road trip story, you know, for future seasons because that's a suming where they're going.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what little I know about the books.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they got me when Dunk was swearing guilty to Baylor.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay, cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then how are they?
[SPEAKER_00]: How are we going to get on the on the road?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, where's the on the road story?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Baylor needed some help with his helmet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I think we can see the reason why Dunk will probably need to exit rather quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just thinking about Dunk's reputation now as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's going to be many of the bigger houses, any house of any size, really, that are going to want to associate with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been accused of stealing a Prince laying and then he punched another Prince.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he got the hand of the King killed in a fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: yield and and you know area on you know say what you want about him he's still blood of the dragons so his family just has to manage for that but what noble houses are going to want to take this hedge night into their service.
[SPEAKER_00]: not many, I'd wager, you know, he's just going to have people could think nicely of him and think Aryan's a real, you know, real shit, but that doesn't mean that they're going to want to get on the bad side of the alien invaders and hire this hedge knight.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just sort of asking for a little trouble.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then I was thinking about the small
[SPEAKER_00]: And it feels like he's probably gonna have a lot of love among the small folk and that his reputation for being a gentle kind person.
[SPEAKER_00]: He seems he's good with animals and he seems just like a chill dude to have around.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure the telling of the tail of this fight are only going to grow the legend more and more as the tail gets told.
[SPEAKER_00]: but say miss you, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: No one's really gonna wanna end up on the wrong side of the alien invaders, of the Targaryens.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess they're all gonna need to help dunk on the DL, right, and just sort of not,
[SPEAKER_00]: be seen visibly supporting him, but, you know, leaving a loaf of bread out on the stoop or, you know, you see him walking down the road, you leave a little jug of ale out as he walks by and you sort of duck back away.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, but he sees you, you know, doing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I could see, I'm excited.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if this is going to happen, but I'd be excited to see the Smith character.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he really encapsulates a lot of the goodwill of the small folk.
[SPEAKER_00]: towards Dunk and I really love that character and the actor, I really love the actor's portrayal and I want to see him sort of, you know, with his big beard and his low-gravly voice, you know, maybe he'll help get them out, you know, if I'm going to do a little speculation, maybe he'll facilitate, you know, Dunk getting out or, you know, once they bind up his wounds a little bit, you know, getting them off hidden into the countryside.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, I'm super excited for the finale
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm really glad that they're going to be turning and burning on these these multi year long waits for these other prestige shows just so just killing me and to know that this is going to be turning out every year or so.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's great, and I'm looking forward to it, because I'm having a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the game of the original game of thrones, regardless of its messy ending.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really enjoying house of the dragon, and so if we could have this sort of little piece of in between interstitial, it's a little bit sweet, it's a little bit sour, and it's just kind of fun, and add some levity to this world, I think it's a really smart strategic play for this IP.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's my thoughts for now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have a great pod and I will talk to you all later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks David for writing in.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of feedback.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of speculation that I cannot comment on without doing things for next episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to avoid that.
[SPEAKER_01]: At least you had some thoughts.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw you were jotting down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I just, yeah, most of that we can't touch, it's really fun to hear speculation.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'll just comment on the, at the beginning, David was talking about the fight length.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think as book readers, we knew it was going to be quick.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you kind of, I think you were saying that on the last episode, like it's over pretty quickly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, we expected that, but I did really like something about this and I've heard people comparing it to Battle of the Bastards and of course Battle of the Bastards is on a whole different scale.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think one reason why people respond to both of them is that they really put you in the thick.
[SPEAKER_02]: of the battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's not this overhead view with where it looks like carefully coordinated armies.
[SPEAKER_02]: You see, it's just like chaos and grits and anger and blood and fear.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, yeah, that is...
[SPEAKER_02]: I liked that we were plunged in that that we were looking initially just through Donk's helmet as he kind of froze for a minute, you know, after he and Raymond both just vomited and that we didn't and that it is something you need to rewatch to like I knew I was expecting Mekar to of course bash in his brother's head because that's what happens in the book right now you can see it by the way people have like freeze for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, where that's
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's the thing is, again, like, you can see it, and obviously they were careful to make sure you could see it, but in the moment you wouldn't notice.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so you have to go back and watch it again once you know what happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cause we get a replay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting to that earlier and I'm with you on all your all your points, but earlier we had Celipate talk about oh, you know I don't care about fancy designs and all that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I you know, I just make good steel.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not gonna break and of course That steel saves dunk several times like he almost gets slashed in the I there was a really strong moment where he gets a hard it Right in the like the neck the he would have had his his shoulder by his neck
[SPEAKER_01]: just completely destroyed, but it hits the steel.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it stops.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, God bless stelepate.
[SPEAKER_01]: God bless.
[SPEAKER_02]: God bless.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: You need functional.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I noticed, you know, Baratheon, his antlers are broken off by the end and everything too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, it reminds me, I read this, there's this Mercedes-Benz Lacky kind of fantasy smart book that I liked back when I was a teenager called, if I paid the Notten Gold.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in it, there's this race, this group of warrior women, and they would
[SPEAKER_02]: most of them would cut their hair because it was a weapon to be used against you in battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so only the greatest warriors would let their hair grow long as a taunting sign of like, oh, you, you're not going to be able to lay a hand on me because if you have a handle on your helmet, that kind of, that's a really great tool for Europe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did the same thing kind of in the boys that you don't want to be do too many spoilers for the boys, but there's a thing about capes Why you wouldn't want to wear a cape in battle Anyway, if you watch the boys, you know what I'm talking about very funny scene
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I actually, I, similarly, I, I don't want, I don't want a longer fight team.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought this was a good length of the fight.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that we, it's realistic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, it is realistic.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that if you are going to have a longer fight soon than this, you need a multi-phase battle, not just a small group fight, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Not just a little melee.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, these charges and mailays are very quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, a lot, there was a great point.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've just finished reading the Stormwind Arcade.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a great point where there's a character going into her first battle.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she goes, or a first like hand-to-hand fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: She goes, uh, you know, my training, they kept telling me,
[SPEAKER_01]: it goes by in a few seconds.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like really like a couple of minutes at most, and it's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the fight is just over.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, where you get longer fight scenes like the battle of the bastards, which still was only about a third of that episode to be clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just looked it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is, you know, a multi-phase battle with cavalry at charge, an archery.
[SPEAKER_01]: units, you know, you have another, another faction coming in.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there are, there are different layers to that, whereas this is basically second one of the point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm, I'm good with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I see where David's coming from and it could be just a side effect of it being a shorter episode overall.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think it might have actually felt better if they would
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, I guess there's a version of where we had a longer season where we got to know the Humphries and so that we cared more that they died like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, honestly, we know them even less than we did in the book.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will be not for the Humphries.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that mean it was cool of them to jump in, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed like pretty cool guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the best thing you could say about them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They had the least, like, you know, well, except for the one guy who got his leg crushed by Aryan, he had a good reason, but it was cool of them to jump in and give their lives for this random hedge night.
[SPEAKER_02]: So respect to the Humphrey's name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm happy with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The way that it worked out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's let's get right into the episode because it is mostly just, you know, the fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a book ended by the fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, we start off with Baylor's pep talk to a mismatched team for Derser Dunk and while Raymond and Dunk empty their bellies, the fighting begins in Dunk is immediately knocked out, of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: Reminds me of Tyrion in the original show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I don't remember if there was a name battle, but right when he goes to fight with Tywin and Tywin's like, yeah, you can lead this fan guard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tearings like I am so fucked and then he just gets knocked out and he's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was like season two or something because I remember I Because they did he was in more of the battle of that battle in the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a while since I've read that book But yeah, and so I remember people feeling cheated in the TV show, but it was away for them also Like from a financial perspective battle super expensive the budget and I believe that's the same season that the
[SPEAKER_01]: the battle black water bay is, so they probably need to save their budget for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so this whole making a claustrophobic dunks point of view also, I'm sure, saved some money here because I like the fact that they are the show looks great, looks like it fits into the universe, but by scaling it back, they're able to make it something that's when it costs less, it's more likely to go on longer.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's right, and really, honestly, I don't think that this show is about the fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really about what it means to be a night, and...
[SPEAKER_01]: you don't get a lot of that from the fighting, you get a lot of that from him, protecting the weak, the his idea of being a knight.
[SPEAKER_01]: And his choice of went to vomit means lot to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he vomits during the anxiety of the battle rather than right after he is had a tremendous amount of alcohol in the line of Sir Arlin.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a big, big dude, he can hold the alcohol, but yeah, I like that, you know, they showed this battle showed that what is normally glorified about nighthood, you know, these battles and shivari, you know, it's not just like people think, I don't know, that night's marching with shiny armor and leave with shiny armor, and this show is like no, it is brutal, like,
[SPEAKER_02]: teeth and claws kind of fighting really in the end because it's really your life is on the line.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so is someone else's.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's nothing elegant to romantic about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe if this were one of the the jouse and it wasn't with our area and who's going to cheat into your horse, right, then it's more majestic and more fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: But boy, boy, if you're not just smashing shield, if you're fighting to the death,
[SPEAKER_01]: not a fun time to be in more.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, not, not like fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did not envy anyone in that battle.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're doing this just cause.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, just to be clear, there was no reason for this.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is just cause.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, because Aryan's a... Nass.
[SPEAKER_02]: Aryan's sex.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not a real reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, okay, if Aryan and Joffrey had to fight each other who would win.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Aaron definitely proved himself a capable fighter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was good.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joffrey Kit is not an actual fighter.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to get shit thrown on his cheek and that's done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you think that there was going to be more shit throwing from the ground?
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that there was going to be a shit, a horse shit thrown.
[SPEAKER_01]: When Dunk was like, I ain't the mud for a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I didn't, my mind didn't go there, but I wouldn't have been surprised if the show did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would have actually been like good because it would have been like flea-bottom fighting.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean, yeah, flea-bottom shit around.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was like when when he took the advantage, it was flea-bottom style.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't like using the sword with fancy training.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, I will bash your face in with your own shields because I am bigger and stronger.
[SPEAKER_01]: right and then he just goes right to punches and yeah if he it was that was alley way fighting that was not the sir arlin school that was that was the rape school of hard knocks you right yeah i'm thinking speaking of rave his origin story is next dunks origin story a young dunk loot spotty's in the aftermath of the last battle the black fire rebellion
[SPEAKER_01]: He and his friend, Raif, returned to flee bottom to sell the scraps and narrowly, dodge a heaving attempt from local bully Alistair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Raif steals Alistair's skint wine skin after selling the loot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dunk and Reef make plans to buy passes to Essos, and each says they'd love each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: When the silver stegs aren't enough to buy passage, Alistair finds the pair and demands his wine skin back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alistair and his companion Rob Reef, and send her off with Dunk, Reef can't resist stealing Alistair's dagger, and he responds by killing her, and killing her with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: before he could kill Dunk, a drunkenster Arlin burst out of a pub and kills Alister and his friend in the name of the mother.
[SPEAKER_02]: First of all, I just have to point out that both the actors who play Rafe and Alister are from Dune prophecy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or are they?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And actually, the guy I also is from.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was recently a Sanitin, my favorite probably costume drama.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's based on a unfinished Jane Austen level.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's free on PBS for a couple of months, so it's just promoting it on the album.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he played, what's his face, Davis?
[SPEAKER_02]: He played a good character on that for once, not a natural.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does have the like demeanor to play the asshole.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he had to say it, but he's really good at it.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you want to see him be a nice guy, watch Sanderton.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, well, you know, so much to talk about here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it was Dunks idea to go loot bodies.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was interesting that he went right to killing the guy too, by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was a surprise.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess it was a mercy kill.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I guess the thought was it was a mercy kill, but then yeah, I do wonder if we haven't gotten in the books yet, much like dunk doesn't really know about his parentage and I've always wondered if that was something that would be explored in future books.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I wonder, you know, with Jojar Martin providing a lot of notes, I wonder if it will be explored in future seasons here and if
[SPEAKER_02]: He, I don't know if he was around for anyone's death or, you know, had to mercy kill someone or something like that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: I
[SPEAKER_01]: think it's something else.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's that rave gave him instruction before like if any of the dying soldiers see you put them out of their misery so they can identify you if they're found.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he doesn't have nuance.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he can't think, oh, this is a noble we can ransom.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just goes immediately to I was given instructions and I will follow them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, could be, could be.
[SPEAKER_01]: at this point, at least.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I do think that he is just kind of in survival mode, right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just, you know, looking for somebody to love, can he?
[SPEAKER_01]: And it'd be a fun me.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get YouTube strike.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then when he sees for art, then that's when his worldview changes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, I need to be this thing that is bigger than a person.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, because you think because he saves him in the alleyway, it wasn't rave kind of doing stuff like that for him though too.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think he was a romance of Sir Arlin, you know, having the cape in the sword.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is what I think it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he saw him as this otherworldly being as this begin of honor, something above the common man, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He bursts out, spew and vomit, and ready to take on the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is something he has not seen before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rave is sneaky.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rave will quietly stand up for him, but no one has ever been like, get away from my boy until Sir Arlin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Rafe is more the rogue and so Ireland is, you know, the cleric or whatever, um, Paladin, or at least he looks so to dunk.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think, at this point in his life, so Ireland fights better drunk?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I think he's, he's studied that art.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think he's drunk when he's practicing in the field and singing Darth Raki?
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yes, I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's been drunk for the last like 20 years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think you find anything else?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think don't we don't get to learn that much about the drugs of Westeros do we?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we don't It's mostly just wine, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think well, there's definitely more than their hallucinogens at the Dothraki used in their rituals
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, yeah, I suppose it's like this for an exotic thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also feel like Melisandra, you know, the red.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says it's yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: She knows what she's doing.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm recognized the right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know a lot of people were debating and yeah, I was one of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's funny?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think it is like that the women recognize because I'm thinking of people who recognize the right away and totally anecdotal, but did the women recognize her and the men didn't?
[SPEAKER_01]: It could be.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm just bad at recognizing people, general.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just not good at that, but I'm trying to get better, but it's something that I'm not the best at,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think people were like I you know what it is setting matters to and she was you know you didn't necessarily sit with any of those stands yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so she's somebody's favorite weekend weekend friend that's right well there's a lot more in this section I mean first of all the free cities being this you know safe haven do you think that they
[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, if I lived in Westeros, I would have left for the, for the free cities long ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bravo, specifically.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would, that would be, if I lived in this world, I would head to Bravo.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that would be my place.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does seem like a pretty cool place to live.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it's, it's kind of, um, Westerosy Amsterdam with, uh, you know, mishmashing of cultures and all the canals.
[SPEAKER_02]: With all the oysters, clams, and cockles, you could
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's another question for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did Rafe mean it when she said I love you too?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because she kind of looks down and I don't know if that means she's like kind of embarrassed to get tender with him or if she's kind of using it as a more like I need you to come with me because I need company and so I'm just going to say it back to keep you around.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, um, I didn't clock anything out about that myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if there was, could it be also, um, something about like, I do think she loved him, you know, as a brother, but maybe there was something like, but um, she wanted to make it clear only as a brother, something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll never know now, because she, uh, she's gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: or maybe she was thinking about going without him because they didn't have enough for them both.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she probably was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe she should have been very possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, she's not going to SS now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Instead, we have Dunk following Sir Arwen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you enjoy this whole, you know, montage of Dunk dying from exposure?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, first of all shout out to the editor, whoever edited that that was very well done with the Dothraki song going through and just like you can see, it's going on for a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: You feel the passage of time, but it never is slow or boring.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you do feel for dunk just like hovering in the cold behind the trees or the rocks or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think, how long do you think Arlin was aware that he was following him?
[SPEAKER_01]: a fairly long time because he was right behind him, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he was not that far and he's on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's often following him through like empty planes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no like bolder to hide behind.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was just like walking flagrantly like not far behind him on the road at one point.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, wait, does he already spoken to him?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: it's very weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that Dunk is just kind of dumb.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's really the simplest explanation here.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is Arkham's razor is that Dunk is kind of dumb and doesn't know how to sneak around.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we've been assigning D&D rules and we've already said that Raif was definitely the rogue and Dunk is the tank.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not, he's just thump thump thump.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just attracting the attention to him so that the, but he misses the rogue to sneak around
[SPEAKER_01]: definitely.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, and, you know, I don't think that Sir Arlin wanted him to like pass out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he just, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he just kind of didn't notice his condition because he's always so drunk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that that was, that was kind of a good world-building.
[SPEAKER_01]: And once it once becomes obvious, he goes right over.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was, that was good character work.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was right over and says, get up, but he, but first he offers him a drink.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he does offer him something first.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing is that the death record is singing, and this is something that Anthony I think said on the instant take, the, the, the, the, the record is singing does do a lot of work.
[SPEAKER_01]: It, it shows and not tells you that he is a well-travelered night and that he, at least had a career at one point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he doesn't now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, we only get the bearous glimpses like that and the fact that Baylor remembered him from previous Jouse.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he was once like not a big somebody, but he was, you know, he was a respectable knight.
[SPEAKER_02]: and then just begs the question of what happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I hope that they do weave more of the backstory into the next season than they do in the books.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because, I mean, I guess it's safe to say that we've been setting up a lot this whole Blackfire rebellion that happened in the past, and we know that's where so Ireland's nephew died.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just the question of,
[SPEAKER_02]: how fully did that change him, you know, was he a different sort of night before that?
[SPEAKER_01]: We just had a very interesting pit episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you're not watching the pit, but if folks were watching the pit at home, there was a very interesting pit episode of this last week that kind of speaks to people changing from trauma in relation to substances and he kind of
[SPEAKER_02]: I hear good things about the pit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very good everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody says it's good and then right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't actually read the point about Sarah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sarah and being followed by Donk, but that happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we talked about it already.
[SPEAKER_01]: When we get back from this break, we are going to make sure Donk gets up.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're back, get up, dunk, dunk, re-engages in the fight and Aryan does enough damage to him to make him dizzy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dunk is knocked unconscious again, and appears to be dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Egg stops the master of games from declaring a victor, and Dunk hears her Arlen say,
[SPEAKER_01]: Dunk beats Aryan senseless and forces him to yield, then drags him by the foot to the referee.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dunk is declared the victor and the fighting stops.
[SPEAKER_01]: Man!
[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, this was, this was a feel good come back, huh?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, I mean, you could see the entire crowd was on his side, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even in the noble stance, people were, I mean, how can you not root for the chivalrous knight who's protecting the fair maiden?
[SPEAKER_01]: People love an underdog.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, the shepherds won't hurt what really happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is, Ariane had already pissed everyone off with the whole move with Sir Humphrey with his horse.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, like, he's the villain of the tournament.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that there's no.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he takes it a step further and now this, like, no, take him down.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, if this were WWE match, like, he would be fixed that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: And
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, do you think Baylor joining on this side of, we heard, we heard what's his face, I'm like, not Rennley, don't say Rennley, Lionel.
[SPEAKER_02]: We heard Lionel questioning Baylor like, have you, is this fair?
[SPEAKER_02]: because it means that three of the white cloaks can't fight against him and he said that gods will judge if it's fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: So do you think that's a fair question to ask whether it's fair and do you think that the gods judged?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think it's fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a fair question, and if I were the gods, I would say, hey, it was literally, this was already rigged against Dunk because they stopped him from getting more help when he probably could have.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm okay with them working in a little bit in return, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it strictly honorable?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's the letter.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not the spirit of the rules, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It might be the letter of the rules, but it's not the spirit of the rules.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's for all's fair and jouse and, macing, what's interesting is that it ended up, you know, because Aryan didn't want to fight dunk directly and ended up being the seven on seven, but then it was like the other seven were just there to keep each other at bay so that it could really in the end be Aryan against dunk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like there
[SPEAKER_01]: It is pretty ridiculous and, you know, in the end, I know David is saying, like, dumps got to get out of there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's going to blame him, but like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think from a totally spoiler free point, I think people are pissed at the Targaryens and it's including the nobles and it is very clear that Aryan caused the situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now, Maker has killed his brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, sorry, I'm skipping ahead.
[SPEAKER_01]: right, he made the killing blow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I ask you, do you think they dunk died for a minute and came back?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it looks like that, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It did.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there was a point made in a Reddit comment I think it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was our discord.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: But somebody made a point that if that is true, that's the first time in any Westoros media,
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the argument is that when we've seen resurrections, it doesn't evolve this heaven with the priest as an intermediary.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, isn't that the, that's, that's, reward, that is, right, right, no, so that's a God intervention, but not exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see what you mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a different religion.
[SPEAKER_01]: That we see in the old God's work, never seen anything actually happen from the
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, now I'm racking my brain, um, but I can't immediately think of anything so it's about time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you guys do something for once?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's seven of you, not one of you could do something.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this was like totally consecrated in their name, seven on seven with the, with the priest, uh, into, into, into, dozing them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to, I'm going to hold to this, this wasn't the Lord of Light, this wasn't the old gods, this was the new gods, the seven, and they resurrected them.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, I'm with you, I support this.
[SPEAKER_01]: The lore is there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, here's her island say, get up again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like how, I like how gruff it is, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like, come on, lad, get up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, get up, it's kind, not nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, Dunk gets all flea bottom on area and tackles him.
[SPEAKER_01]: We kind of already talked about this, but really, the fact that he drags him by the foot like a doll.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's hilarious.
[SPEAKER_01]: He really, he really humiliates him in a way that, you know, to David's point, to David's favor on saying, Dunk's got to run, that is humiliating for him and I would watch out, you know, looking over my shoulder for this guy and his assassins every day after that.
[SPEAKER_02]: right exactly because that's that's the thing is like uh sure he can apologize or you know he can recent what he said this day in front of a crowd even but um i'm this seems like someone who can hold a cold grudge right it only takes one cat's paw dagger to uh attempt to murder then again can you find a hedge tight they don't have an address
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true, but they do, well, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to bite my tongue on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it a flesh wound, Alicia?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's only a flesh wound.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, don't get early treatment from Steely Paid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Prince Baylor comes in, dunk a bow's down to him, but Baylor really wants his helmet off and is not feeling himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: When Steely Paid gets the helmet off,
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a hole in the back of Baylor's head from Mekar's mace.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dunk holds the dead Baylor in his arms.
[SPEAKER_02]: The dead dragon with the wide wings under Dunk, or maybe just the first.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no fire yet, so is this a question?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I just want to point out two things about Baylor's eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: One is that I heard in the feedback episode, somebody asked if Baylor had two different colored eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, um, and yes, they did, that's not a thing from the books, but it is a thing on the show because the, uh, the, the actor who plays his son, Darren, has heterocromia.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they said, okay, let's also,
[SPEAKER_02]: give Baylor heterocromia also to emphasize the fact that Baylor because he has his dark hair from his door and his mother.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's kind of seen as like mixed blood.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, they did do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the other thing about that is about his eyes is they were stopping working.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was
[SPEAKER_02]: of rape before he took his helmet off, you know, he was not seeing correctly, and that's because once the helmet was removed, the part of the helmet that was removed was the occipital low, with the back, which is the visual processing center of our brains.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hate all of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for telling us, boy, this is a tough scene, and like you and I both read the novella, we knew this was coming.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually...
[SPEAKER_02]: I was bracing myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought like they might do something like half his head slides off or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought so too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was going to be more gruesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought this was better, honestly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't ever do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just, you know, it was realistic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just, oh, you have a hole in your head.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: From your brother's face.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which like...
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what was he thinking like that is always going to be the question that probably even he's going to ask himself, did he do it on purpose?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I don't know, but you know, it's something that Maya pointed out to me, I was watching this with Maya, and she said, the, you know, in the moment when make heart was going over,
[SPEAKER_01]: to, uh, Aryan.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was, he was trying to get to his son while his son was being beat to shit by dunk.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I don't know if there was much thought or if it was just, I got to get to my son.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me knock everybody out of the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give me a car the benefit of the doubt, even though he doesn't deserve it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think the presentation of Maycaro so far has been far from flattering, but we'll see with the finale gives us Yeah, he may feel a little differently after what's happened now is a sobering thing to kill your brother, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how he's gonna feel after doing that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah Yeah, I hope it's I hope it's really rough on him on it's like
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I also say I love that Steely Pate is part of the gang now?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not just the artmer, he's the armor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I mean, I wouldn't mind if they did.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's less realistic than the books, but I wouldn't mind if there was something like he's a traveling armor.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he turns up every season because reasons, you know, there's a fair nearby or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that feels a little video game, you know, like, like, you know, in Resident Evil, it is a video game.
[SPEAKER_01]: that you're traveling, uh, yeah, and you're like, oh, come and see my wares, I like that, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, no, I'm sure, uh, I doubt it's going to happen, although there's a good reason, maybe, well, anyway, in future seasons, perhaps.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get to spoilers after the credits, but for now, I mean, it's a sad, belor,
[SPEAKER_01]: you know is saying I need good nights and and you don't know if he's like about to offer don't get a position or if he just had brain damage but
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he was, I mean, as the same in the book, I really, because you get excited and you're like, yes, this is perfect, and he should work for Baylor has the, you know, the values and moral that Duncan's seeking and can show him that, yes, even the highboard can be moral.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe the kids are Maxwell training.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because with some training, Duncan could be an unstoppable beast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just such raw talent.
[SPEAKER_02]: What if we had dunk against the mountain?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who would win that fight?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, right now, right now, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just a fist fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, just a fist fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think the mountain still does.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the mountain, the mountain can be sneakier than the nun.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the mountain will, yeah, we'll play dirty air for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think that don't actually please dirty.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets a little rough and tumble with, you know, the punch in the shield stuff, but that's, that's just being sort of brutal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just not scrappy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, scrappy is a good word for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would give that one to the mountain and said to say,
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think because I mean without without to sword?
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't call all dunk would need to do is light a fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just don't know that, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think dunk would think about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he wouldn't think of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he has fire start and get in the battle, but.
[SPEAKER_01]: With the sword, I think dunk is done with the hand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even without a sword, I think that the hand has been thinking about how to fight someone bigger.
[SPEAKER_01]: These is an entire life.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I don't, I would put the hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if he's anticipating, fighting, if the Hound isn't anticipating, fighting his brother, the mountain, then he will expect dirtier moves and dunk will surprise him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think dunk's fast enough, Mom.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, no, he's definitely got him on speed.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna eat every fucking chicken in this place and wipe the floor at dunk.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and take every arrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, this value.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had any other thoughts on this episode of Lisa before we go to the outro and then spoiler section?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm just very curious about what the finale is going to be since it's going to be all basically fall out from this, so I think that versus what we saw in the book we are going to get a bit deeper exploration of the complicated feelings and political situations that come out of what just went down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's like two or three pages of the novella left of material.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's nothing, it's like one scene basically you get after this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're right, it's gonna be mostly show creation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, I'm very curious to see what they add to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, if you're enjoying the large hounds, there's plenty of other content going on on our feed.
[SPEAKER_01]: At least you've got your Oscars covered, you wanna talk a little bit about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so last week was independent spirits week this week is BAFTA's British Academy Awards week, so watch out for that episode to come out shortly after this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll do another live chat this weekend of as we watch that on Sunday, so.
[SPEAKER_02]: check out the discord if you want to join in on that and then just planning in all the other various categories next up, a variety recorded the first few so Lisa and I are going to be talking about production design, hair and makeup and costumes which are actually some of the most exciting categories this season especially makeup.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I have categories on international and the docs and the animation, they're all getting their own episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So watch out for all that, Mark's joining me to talk music again, that's a fun stuff coming up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to send you all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And with the new cinema homes feed.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you just want movie content, you won't find these episodes there, but if you
[SPEAKER_01]: yes they saw it say i'm good i'm too good for tv that's what they say and uh... yeah you'll you'll have a whole feed where we'll be tainted five salivate okay very cool we've got the pit weekly coverage going on with me in david those are quick episodes although one of them is longer than this episode so i don't know um... they keep getting longer but we're having a lot of fun with that i think you have a battle being lost in your house
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I do have a battle beat once in my house.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've also got a silver early in story coming on touring touring bar with Marilyn Arpocula.
[SPEAKER_01]: I already recorded it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to edit it and well, that'll be out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Sunday and don't forget to go over to what you're done with Wonder Man now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and we do have coming out this, or actually just came out today, the Bone Temple, the New 28-Year Slater movie, so we're going to be hopefully this weekend recording our episode about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you can watch 28-Year Slater, the Bone Temple, at home now, and see why Ray finds Shouldwin, a mother-flip and Oscar for this.
[SPEAKER_01]: He should win all the Oscars.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: he's great especially he really commits to this and it's it's wild and fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now for more night of the 7 Kingdoms go to properly Howard movie review you will get the feedback episode on Friday you will get another instant take for the last episode on Sunday.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's in the show notes that's on your podcast player wherever you want to find it.
[SPEAKER_01]: definitely also check out radioactive ramlings for fallout coverage and check out never by the music for music and psychology coverage.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know Alicia you just said you're going to have Mark on your Oscars covered so if you like Mark on that go over there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, at least I don't have too many spoiler retouts on this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: The main thing I want to say is David is wildly off.
[SPEAKER_01]: You think it's a dummy in a runaway in the night?
[SPEAKER_01]: Which I see, it's a reasonable take.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he makes a good point about the fact that, you know, high-born lords won't take Duncan.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing I sat myself from saying earlier is that Duncan does still have egg with him, but we can't, you know, they're,
[SPEAKER_02]: going to make it look like they're going to break up in the finale, but come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's another season coming in the red door.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, it's so dunk has a highboard prinsling with him, but egg is going to be go back to hiding his identity.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so indeed, dunk is always going to carry the taint from this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when we next see him, he's definitely not working for any high lords or fancy nights.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm excited to see how they bridge up this last episode because, like we said in the non-thriller section, we're at a book content basically, we've got one conversation between make-art and dunk, and that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and then they say they're going to head off, they say they'll head off to Dorn.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hear those good puppets there, and then they just skip over the whole Dorn thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you doing, Dorn Dorn Dorn, why don't you skip that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows, maybe he'll write it eventually.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he won't, it's just no, I know But he skipped in the next book.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just after they've gotten back from door And they were like down there for a couple of years or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like right But yeah, so I don't know like would they find a way to bring Tanzi back in because maybe we never see her again That is how it is so far in the books that have been published
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we'll definitely see more of Lionel Baratheon, and I wonder if they'll make him a bigger part of the story because he is important toward the end of ex-life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, I don't remember why he's important because I haven't read the other novellas as much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because, oh, you know, it's not even in the other novellas.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's after that, I guess, this is from the world of what's called the world of ice and fire.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ice and fire, ice and fire.
[SPEAKER_02]: basically when he becomes a king he really wants to be a more fair king and one of the things he thinks he needs to do is to marry off his children to other houses and his children don't love this because a couple of them have
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, two of them want to marry each other, and another one wants to marry somebody else, you know, not the one assigned to them, a very Rob Stark move, and Lionel Baratheon was supposed to be one, his daughter, I suppose, was supposed to marry into the house, so he kind of kicks off and starts up big, you know, conflict about this, and this is one of the things that
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I'm paraphrasing and I haven't read it in a while, but no, thank you for thank you for paraphrasing it because I didn't know any of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I would like to see more Lionel because they have great chemistry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Lionel's going to wake up one day in Doug's bed.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wishes maybe he it's through him that Priyano is born.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right,
[SPEAKER_02]: No, just um, I think that it's nice that we're at this point in the season and there's not much we have to keep behind us, boiler, cordon, because that's not really what this show is for the most part.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I wonder if Raven, um, which is face, um, don't say Ravenclaw, um, blood raven.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if we'll see some form of him in the finale.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would be fun if some hint.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that he becomes the, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, eventually yeah, yeah, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, spoilers begun.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are going to see you all next week for the finale and may you decide Justly in the Battle of the