[SPEAKER_00]: Look at the lower house podcast, we're your guides to a very sad episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm John.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm David and this is our vibe check coverage for the pits.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not doing our usual analysis, but we're I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're kind of sliding in that direction.
[SPEAKER_02]: My outlines each week get longer and longer and the podcast keeps getting longer, but this week.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're actually going to stick pretty short.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got a lot of a lot of families have gone out today.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think we got to keep it pretty quick, but I have been
[SPEAKER_02]: man it's like all over the world it's just kind of a crazy week going on and it's just amazing that we're still sort of stumbling forward in some sort of coherent direction why is there something happening in the world?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah a few things I mean it never mind at least in this part of the United States just seems like there's a rolling flu cold thing going around and everybody's up and down and they're fine and then they're not it's kind of a mess.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and it's the Olympics.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all that's happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I just left my daughter and we were just watching the skeleton, the men's final skeleton.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, and then go back upstairs after this and watch, you know, a very deep theme discussion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you hear about the special juicing that people have been doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you didn't hear about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so there's some sport at the Winter Olympics, and I don't remember what it was, but apparently they make the suit that you're jumping in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And people were like injecting their penises to make them bigger while they were fitted, so that they had more materials so that they went further.
[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't it Olympic games?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's unproven, but there's a lot of allegations about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I just thought that was a nice phallic and thematic thing to take to bring here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did we really need to start with that?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really on theme for the pit, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, but I just think it fits.
[SPEAKER_02]: And night at the 7 Kingdoms, which are two primary shows right now that we're covering.
[SPEAKER_00]: You think that's what's for our looms doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm just saying HBO is putting it in our faces every week, something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're the lower-hounds.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's in your face?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do we, uh, lower-hounds at the lower-hounds.com?
[SPEAKER_02]: And link tree in the show notes for all the affiliate feeds, our discord, community, server, and anything else you want to, you want to get in touch with us about.
[SPEAKER_02]: John, where are you with this episode?
[SPEAKER_02]: Episode 6, 12 p.m.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was the most moving of the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's really interesting because one of the things that could happen in this episode was people were sitting around.
[SPEAKER_00]: People were resting more than they have been in previous episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have LinkedIn getting called out for it by Dana.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You had everybody taking a minute to be with Louis.
[SPEAKER_00]: You had Santos sitting around for a minute, trying to chart.
[SPEAKER_00]: and like not responding.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think you had more of people just like taking a beat than you'd had in the previous episodes of this season.
[SPEAKER_00]: And not in a bad way, like everybody needs a beat for a minute.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I just think that it's interesting that like they put it all in one episode and that makes me feel like it was an intentional like
[SPEAKER_02]: beat an intentional beat for the show to take kind of orchestral in a way in nature right there's movements where you have periods of time where things are happening and you're getting introduced to new things then there's times where you rest and you reflect and you sort of smooth things out and yeah and then you play yeah so it's with a long season like this I guess any given episode
[SPEAKER_02]: In the overall mix, you might be up-down, left-right, something like that, so it kind of feels like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've got to keep us, they have to sustain our energy as the viewers throughout the season.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't want to burn us out.
[SPEAKER_02]: To soon, in order they want to bore us with too many sort of flow-paced episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's all for hard balance to maintain.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a hard balance to maintain because, you know, everybody who says like the pit is hard to watch as a binge, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a lot of people will binge it, but it's so intense all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't breathe a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this episode felt like a little bit of a breath.
[SPEAKER_00]: It felt, there was a lot of mourning in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of emotional labor in it, but it was slow emotional labor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rather than anxiety.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, where last episode was a little bit more anxious and a little bit more past this one was more contemplative and reflective.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll talk about Louis too, but the way that they book ended Louis story at the beginning and at the end of that episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then his sort of his story line sort of creates a spine throughout the the whole episode from which everybody else is sort of weaving in and out of.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know, I guess, you said, you know, this is probably one of the most emotional episodes of this season, I'm, I'm kind of mad at the show right now, because I didn't want to fall in love with this hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I am so in love with this show, it's ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even remember Louie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love Louie too, and I'm sad that he's come on, and I'm sad that they made Emma hold his hand at the fun at finals, you know, those final shots at what I brutal, but I really liked it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I like that Robbie was the only one who knew.
[SPEAKER_00]: I almost feel like we're kind of getting into deeper now, but I feel like just just we're going to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Louie is
[SPEAKER_00]: He'd literally saw a kindred spirit in Robbie, a guy who is healing from trauma, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: A guy who is, who has some demons, he has not fought off yet, and he, he told Robbie because Robbie would understand, and he knew Robbie would keep it in confidence too, but he didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Until everybody needed to hear it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Until it was the right time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had thought about it that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then that gets into this whole question of the found family aspect of Louis and his legacy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, that the, that his emergency, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_02]: And just, you know, how to, how to, how to process all of that, what went on, we knew that this was going to happen this season, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And to do it in such a way for Langdon to find him, that's very poignant in a lot of ways, because Langdon just made peace with him at the beginning of the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Langdon is also battling his own addiction.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And good point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Looks right at Robbie when he says how many times did he say he was going to quit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he looks at he looks at Robbie knowing that he's getting over an addiction.
[SPEAKER_00]: Knowing knowing that Langdon is getting over an addiction.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he sees like this is what could happen to me if I can't get my shit together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then to have it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, watching the blood well up out of the tube and you're just like, oh, yeah, neck, no, like this is, this isn't something where they're going to shock him back to life or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very serious, very quick.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can see as both Robby and Linden are
[SPEAKER_02]: as hope, sorry, I'm getting emotional.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just my mad at the show, you can see the hope draining out of their faces.
[SPEAKER_02]: realizing that for all their skills and technique and their ability to magyver things, shout out to magyver, we didn't talk about that last time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know we didn't talk about that, which by the way, I think I might be in the last generation to hear of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never watched it, but that was used in conversation to me from older adults, right, when I was, you know, when I was growing up.
[SPEAKER_02]: it was a thing man it was a thing you know you you plot your multi-tool and you're you're going to mgaver something that was but now we have these jenzy doctors coming in no idea they're two generations removed you know like if they don't even there were parents weren't weren't mgaver rights I like that anyway with all that their abilities and skills at that there
[SPEAKER_02]: powerless in that moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that the tension that has been building up between these two guys, two friends, two friends who've known, you know, X friends, whatever you would describe their relationship and that they both knew Louie so well, you know, in this
[SPEAKER_02]: And then for Whitaker to not be there, like that's, uh, just again, bittersweet.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Ogle V with his insensitivity is like, bro, Ogle V deserved his shit scoop.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's all I'm going to say.
[SPEAKER_02]: His ass plusion.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I think, yeah, give them all the ass that, well, maybe that's not the right way to say about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, all the food that's that that you can find.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, um, yeah, it was just such an incredible way to bring together the episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then if we look at it, like I was going over the patient list, we don't get introduced to that many patients this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not really all follow up except Pat Dogg guy, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I actually, um, this is why I'm also another reason why I'm mad at the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: As I was putting the patient list together and then I'm like, oh, I need to keep who's the doctors and there's that new nurse that was from season one, but we haven't seen her yet and I'm trying to track all this stuff so I ended up making a show guide.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this was the first of all you're insane, and I don't even know how to respond to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, all right, if you've not been here before, show guys are little, you know, they're like a wiki light right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are lower hounds produced wiki light where you can look at some of the info and a simplified format, and they've been very useful for us for prepping and for our listeners to follow along.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I did put it together.
[SPEAKER_02]: The raw material together, and I've reached out to our Discord community, see if we've got any candy strippers who are willing to jump in and help augment the data that's in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So right now it's just sort of raw data, but we'll get some pictures in there and some other links and things like this, but I kind of am thinking that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Since this is going to be a show that's going to be turning around pretty frequently, and it's going to run for several more seasons, it'll be kind of nice to actually have this as a resource for the community and for everyone to use.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't feel bad about that thinking.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I've broken it up into characters and patients, and I was looking at the patient guide today, we're really, I think, only introduced to two new patients.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody else was a patient from a previous episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can only remember one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can only remember the, um, oh no, because we had the motorcycle crash, that was the other new one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so that's Brandon Lee, and then we have rocked
[SPEAKER_02]: the hot dog guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the things that I have is on the patient list is the episode introduction.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like when they show up in what episode, and then if you click on them, it has their sort of primary complaints.
[SPEAKER_02]: It has the outcomes and the diagnosis who worked on them all of that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it actually kind of a useful thing going forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also want to say I appreciate that, you know, there are sometimes where like, okay, the dermatitis came back as, you know, an acrosticfishitis, but here we have, you know, just a guy who ate too many hot dogs and he's going to throw up and he's going to be fine and he's going to say he'll be back next year and then that moves on, it's just a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that there are some of the less severe cases in this to break it up a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And did you notice that they were doing that thing that I mentioned last episode?
[SPEAKER_02]: about Langdon being on the other side of the room and then the focus sort of shifted to him and then back.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're doing it again and I have to go back maybe and look to see all season long and pretty sure they've been doing it this season.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that they were doing it much last season.
[SPEAKER_02]: But something will be happening will be with the camera will be with some people or some one.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then somebody from across the room will focus in on them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when Rocky was returning to the world, some of his hot dogs, I don't know how to say it that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was thinking of some of his hot dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: We racked focus over to another patient in the other room who was going, oh man, like that's gross.
[SPEAKER_02]: Other people he was eating a sandwich.
[SPEAKER_02]: there were two times it happened though there were two times there was sandwich one and then there's another one so it's really I really like that aspect not only what you're saying of these little interstitial patients but that that is they're connecting us to what's going on what else is going on in the ER and what people are seeing from across the room
[SPEAKER_02]: and that's connecting, it's making the whole emergency department feel like it's one giant sort of, you know, I don't know what's in a metaphor to use at an organism or jump one giant dance or whatever it is, and that it's an interconnected space, not an isolated space, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: May I also add that egg salad is not the sandwich you want to be eating next to somebody vomiting?
[SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like egg salad itself would say mention it several times this season I think we'll get you an egg salad sandwich.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably one of the most vomit consistency foods, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: The egg salad.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got eggs and mayonnaise in an unrefredgerated condition.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that that's a good idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know peanut butter and jelly or a sun butter and jelly or whatever, you know, something like that, but I at least you're already in the hospital.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very true.
[SPEAKER_00]: They probably do it because peanut butter and jelly is you have the allergens of mare and you never know who well That's what's in the ER.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sunbutters not butter.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's some not not not butter that you can get like they have it at my kid's school So Sun or I think it's sunflower butter is what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: Not allergen producing so not only Did I get started on the show guy today, but it made me think about
[SPEAKER_02]: the fact this episode in particular, because afterwards I was just like, oh man, and then I went on our discord and people were having that same reaction of like, which is what the same reaction that we had for episode four of Night of the Seven Kingdoms last week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: We had two real high watermark episodes for these two shows
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, so far, so far.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we had talked about having the best needle or favorite needle drop of the year.
[SPEAKER_02]: So somehow tracking needle drops and then maybe talking with having never going over to never mind the music and doing some maybe a January podcast about the needle drops that were used in the previous year.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now I really want to track best episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I started a little spreadsheet and I don't know we can figure out how we're going to take the submissions for that and people can write in or post it on the discord or something and we'll kind of capture it and maybe we'll have some sort of voting thing but later but like this episode and 97 kingdoms episode four.
[SPEAKER_02]: in proximity and with such impactful storylines and such great character development, I'm just really excited every week to watch these two shows.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's keep going because we're a little bit short on time today.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get that everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not a lot of character development in this episode, otherwise you like there's not I mean there's some new revelations, but it's not like a lot of intricate character play this this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're making me dislike Santos in a way that I happened before.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know as much as as much as I know, but like a bully is a bully no matter the reason right like she is still her her impact on other people has been negative philosophy episodes we haven't actually seen her
[SPEAKER_00]: Really, you know, we've seen her be really empathetic with patients, but not in a few episodes, and it's because we haven't had a good Hand-dose moment in a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of like what the hell is he going on with her?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, no, she stressed out about the charting and all that, but the answer to that is to talk to Robbie and try to get advice and and or talk to Dr. Alhashimi Say like look, I really want to get ahead on my charting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm having a lot of trouble doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you can we talk about solutions here?
[SPEAKER_00]: It is not to doubt and not to share other work
[SPEAKER_00]: And then to give the attending that's not even threatening you an attitude, you know, like I just I don't I don't love any about and and of course I'll hash me I think you have a note here that she's also starting to get like a little much on on this like I still predict that they are going to turn her around and there are already things I like about her I don't know how much she must
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't, I don't think she's here to be a villain, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's here to show a different approach, which has its own pros and cons, just like Robby's approach has his pros and cons.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this episode, I mean, why don't we zero in on that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: The conflict about the incarcerated patient.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I was thinking, I thought you were going to lean into the sort of the AI
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think the sanctimonious has applies to both, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: She's very defensive.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's very defensive about AIUs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I personally think like,
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to be honest about the weaknesses if you're going to implement new technology as opposed to just short of saying, well, they must be You know, everybody everything needs to be checked before like she as it as it's a of course kind of thing also two big mistakes in one chart It's not like a 2% minor error.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, but that's just not
[SPEAKER_02]: not acceptable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not acceptable.
[SPEAKER_02]: And not good for Santos either.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's not the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a good thing they caught it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a good thing that you're only pissed off that that senior doctor as opposed to actually and that they caught it before they actually before somebody else implemented something that wasn't appropriate.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I agree, I really like Dr. Allashimi and I want the her character to succeed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yet they're not, you know, it took a, well, it took what five episodes for them to turn to give us something about joy.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was like, oh, and then we got a little bit more today that she's interested in pathology, and she doesn't necessarily want to be a doctor who sees living patients.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I think you're right that Al-Hashimi is going to be an arc here, but I just need something a little bit more than what they've been giving us.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the contrast, you know, to go back to the prisoner patient whose name is Gus Barney, is that she's trying to do some social good
[SPEAKER_02]: But in, and Dr. Robby is pushing back on that, but then when we contrast that with Louis and the fact that they just kept Louis's our guy and he can just come by any time and we'll take care of him in an emergency department, which is the most expensive care and labor intensive care
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a bit of a, it sets up an interesting contrast there because why can't you keep Varney for a couple of days to let him get his nutritional levels back up when you're seeing Gus every, every couple of days, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or whatever, whatever the frequency is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good question.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I see what they were trying to do, but I fundamentally disagree with her comparison with what's the name of the, the unhoused patient?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'll tell you in a second.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't even point and I'll bring it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the on-house patients, he's saying, well, you know, you're housing him for however long as the recovery.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The guy who they had to shower off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, you're you're keeping him in here.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the difference?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the difference is that there are no doctors at all on the street, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I do think there's a fundamental difference here between those two cases where no, he's not going to get us good carers at the prison hospital.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's almost certain, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's going to get some care and he's going to get enough care to have at least a recovery enough to get back to a normal baseline of health.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not normal, but sub normal, but
[SPEAKER_00]: of, sorry, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Troy Dickby is his name.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And whereas, you know, the, you put Troy back on the street, he's just not going to get better.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's the difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good callback.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think about him as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a different between reduced care and no care.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think reduced care is defensible.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think no care is indefensible.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I do think that there is a big difference here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think that was a fair comparison she made.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why she kind of pissed me off in this whole thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, as much as, look, if there were no other patients and they weren't having, she was in bed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was of course July and the blood and their hospital being shut down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would be one thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would say sure, put him keep him in there as long as you want.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not here to save the hospital money.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm like, you also have to think of the other people who need care.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if there's no space for those people to get care, somebody could die because they're not able to get into a bed fast enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Robbie ran through the things like they have a hospital that have people there right and it's it's maybe it's not the best care.
[SPEAKER_02]: in the pit then that means correctional officers have to stand guard there like it's a big resource it's a big there's enough care and there's enough resources but they're inadequately they're they're they're they're being applied unevenly yeah to to every
[SPEAKER_02]: And then that they even have to deal with the question is terrible because the the correctional quote unquote air quotes correctional Facility should be managing for this this should not be the case.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I was very confused with like he was to put the guy in a room where he can see him and he goes as better than prison She goes not by much.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_00]: Every hospital where my ever-billion has been one of the least private places I've ever existed in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why are we pretending that anyone gets privacy in the ER?
[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, nobody does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't you did, did, do want to share some of your last week for a minor issue, it was a minor issue that I just had to go to the yard to get taken care of because we were messaging about it was saying, oh, this is good content, but I was like, I basically and because of because I was a low risk patient.
[SPEAKER_00]: They waited like three hours before I saw a doctor and then the doctor gave me antibiotics and then I was sent home and that's fine Like I was I wasn't upset about the fact that, you know Right, I waited because I was I heard people yelling in other rooms I knew that there were trauma patients probably that needed help more than me and so I was like whatever along I'm here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I brought a book whatever, but
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying, like, there's no privacy in NER.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I've never been in an ER where you get privacy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for her to be like, you're imprisoning him because you're putting him in a room where you can see him from the desk, like, get, get real lady, come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was, that's just, that's just, I'm sorry, but that's just indefensible.
[SPEAKER_00]: That statement.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hear you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's much better than prison.
[SPEAKER_00]: That I, oh, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it didn't make the psych observation room, which is a controlled doorway access as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, okay, but like he's already in your not exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was performative.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what my mother's been about him is he's still going to be cuffed whatever room you put him in.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's still not going to have privacy, whatever room you put him in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually he's going to go back to prison and he's going to get malnourished again.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, there should be systemic reform of the prison and he should have better food.
[SPEAKER_00]: None of the things that you're doing are going to have a long-term effect on this guy's life.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just to make you feel better about how you are treating this one person in this myopic moment in your life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you get some feelings about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's for formative social justice, and I hate it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Real social justice is important, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Performative social justice is there to make rich people feel better about themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: How are you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Cook, brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to go on and then they give her the line of, well, you got to do good in every moment, which is, I don't disagree with, but you get to do it smartly, you got to think inside of where you're at.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Joy says something the other episode, which is, you know, what did you say, something about you got to work the system basically?
[SPEAKER_00]: The system doesn't work for you, you got to work the system.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I get that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but that was also in the context of somebody who actually needed care in the hospital.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, anyway, I just, she really pissed me off this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready for turn around, but she needs a redemption arc where I'm going to tear my hair out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to say, if you want a good leavening thing, go look at the IMDB pages for all of the actors.
[SPEAKER_02]: And definitely look at her at the actor, oh, and I just had her actors name on something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're headshots, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Symphony, I'm not sure how to put the right emphasis on what's allowable here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Moffy, Moffy, they're all glamorous, and wearing this high fashion contour, and they've got their hair all done up, and then you see them on the pit.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like out with flash contrast.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dr. Javadi, the woman who plays Javadi is the same thing, you're like, wow, like just walking off the runway here and you don't get in your scrubs.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's take a break and we'll come back and we'll talk more about all this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we kind of already talked a lot about Louie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to dwell on that too much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jackson Davis, this, uh, likely skits a frenic patient at this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can I just say that I still think his sister's actor is overacting?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're really grouchy this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like the acting from her.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody else is acting in the show because of this one person.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I did enjoy, basically, all the other performances.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he did a good job, the Jackson actor, you know, feeling confused, the psychiatrist did a good job of like,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, now that he's not cranky that he was called down for a sleeping patient, he's very kind and he's very understanding and he's like, let's let's have some patients here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I saw a really good comment about Javadi vs. Ogolvi, where Javadi says something kind of call us here too, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: She says, what's wrong with him?
[SPEAKER_00]: but she immediately apologizes for it, apologizes for it, and she might have been a little bit obtuse here, but she's not dismissive like Ogileez.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is, I saw a comment on Reddit about this comparing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they both make mistakes, but one is owning up and learning from them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the difference between our no-adults.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where,
[SPEAKER_02]: And Oglevis' insensitivity is truly oblivious where we're just, yeah, we're just misspoke, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: She was fumbling for a word, and she was even fumbling.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was just trying to confront the situation and had a poor, poor, poor, poor choice and recognized it and then tried to address it in the moment, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: We're all goofy, it was like, huh?
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, dude, somebody died, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just, I don't like all day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Would you go ahead, do you have, I did, I did want to say this episode was about the nurses.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this was a nurse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, clearly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed all of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of the nurses were shining this episode since you pointed me out as being cranked this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say that, Perla, I think had more time to shine than she usually does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Princess was great in it too.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the new nurse?
[SPEAKER_00]: I was in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know she was in season one.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it was, at the season one episode four, I believe she was in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I saw some comments online about, is there some tension between her and Whittaker, like Whittaker giving her an interested look?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think he was just like,
[SPEAKER_00]: She, this is just something that she does to like impress the new people.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she was coming in hot too, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: She was like boom, boom, boom, drop in knowledge and calling.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was good, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: She had all the CCs that you need.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and the gauges of the needles.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then of course, Donnie was shooting three pointers all night long.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was rolling around, showing off his skills.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like
[SPEAKER_02]: that we have a depth of care, I think it's smart for the show to start bringing as closer to some of these secondary characters that are not doctors.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not just a doctor centric thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like, oh, these are celebrity chefs and we're just going to so go get into them and they're amazing use of food.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, yeah, what about the dishwasher?
[SPEAKER_02]: What about, you know, there's a lot of interesting people in the kitchen there in a restaurant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's fine to have the the centerpiece is the chef, but but like, let's spend time with other people who who make all of that happen and seeing Perla be so affected by Louis, like, really,
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a lot of nurses of various stages of their career and I appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have Emma the new nurse who shows us great deal of empathy You have obviously on the other end is Dana the charge nurse who she's like, why do I come back?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to answer that question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go work with Perla
[SPEAKER_00]: But she's great, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a, like Lengen says, it's a course exterior, but it's got a heart of gold.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have the two gossipy nurses, you know, princesses.
[SPEAKER_00]: Perla, you have Kate, the, I got a tell show you all my knowledge.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's our Kim, you got a show show you all my knowledge.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you have the the new N.P.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got Donny, who I loved, I loved at two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Donny with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not eating your blood donuts.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was running for those donuts.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was running and I was like, I would have been right there with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could say if it turned into a feeding frenzy, I was like, where's mine?
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to get mine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm all over that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you catch the quick line between Garcia and Santos?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there were speculation all season that there were was there?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm just now the whole season everyone thought that they because there had been a few little comments of like Whitaker you use somebody's toothbrush or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, everyone was suspecting that and of course now we have like almost confirmation that they think although perhaps Garcia is not committed to a
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think Garcia is, uh, I think Garcia is the kind of person who is.
[SPEAKER_02]: very absorbed in their career, and their status and position in life, and she's not looking to settle down.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think at this stage.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think if Santos has any thoughts of having a deep relationship with Santos, I don't think she's on the same page as the Santos is at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or is that?
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe Santos, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, also Santos is being a brat, so maybe not to add for Santos.
[SPEAKER_02]: mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you catch last week that the Death Dula was actually the night time the night shift charge nurse?
[SPEAKER_00]: I did not get that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I only picked up on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: this episode where they make it a little bit more explicit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't recognize her.
[SPEAKER_02]: They talked about her having an all-nighter thing and what have you.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I didn't realize it was her and then now that makes a lot more sense when she comes in and she says in last episode and says, oh, something about upping her meds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, whoa, that's a
[SPEAKER_02]: big thing to say for outside or, you know, counselor type person to down in.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's the fact that no, she's an employee of this hospital and you know, is a qualified nurse.
[SPEAKER_02]: And right, the charge nurse is like your master's sergeant of the platoon, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: They you listen to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They know what's going on everywhere you do not go against what they say.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it makes sense now why, why that energy you is there?
[SPEAKER_02]: Can't imagine being a Death Dula and a full-time charge nurse like that's a huge amount of social energy you're putting out into the world and that's how she's allowed to forward love island.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, um, what do you think is going on with, uh, with it was it, uh, I've got a big list here, but I
[SPEAKER_02]: the the cancer patient in her home.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she is feeling overwhelmed by the help of her husband.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she probably is starting to like present him or whatnot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a lot of like.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I just went through hospice with my mother with cancer, you know, like I've seen this and I think things that people really go through is losing control and having people around them see them at their worst.
[SPEAKER_00]: People they love see them at their worst.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think probably both of those may be factors here.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that she wants to stay, I wonder if she wants her kids to not see her using a bedpan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you catch that line that she dropped about how she saw the light go out of him, right, that she was sort of having this nostalgia moment of days before and their life together before and that, you know, because he's devoted himself to all of this that, you know, he's, he's, you know, it's changed him, it's going to change anybody that goes through that.
[SPEAKER_02]: but that she, to me, I was reading that she is sad that she's a burden on her family and that her condition is, I think that she's feeling guilt.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my sense of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I could be with a lot of complicated emotions with it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially, especially, I mean, luckily my mom's kids were all grown, so we didn't have to deal with that, but I mean, she's got a nine-year-old, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's really tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: In a 12 or 15-year-old, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really tough to leave kids behind that are not grown.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's, I don't know, I'm in the way that they're talking about some of the meds and some other things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was starting to worry if this is going to be a thing where, you know, that's with dignity, I don't know if that's a thing in Pennsylvania or not, or if she's going to, you know, they have the, she has the, the pain meds that which has controls on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just worried for what's going to happen with this story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, David, I know we got to cut it a little bit short today.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry for my family commitments.
[SPEAKER_00]: And don't be sorry for being a parent, but I know we got some feedback.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to let us know with Sarah or resident correspondent?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, first of all, Sarah, next time check in with Laura Hound's HR before you go on a vacation that has no internet access and you're depending upon you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope you had a great time on wherever you were being disconnected from the internet.
[SPEAKER_02]: She wrote on the Discord.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was like, I heard my name called out twice.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, what's going on?
[SPEAKER_02]: So thank you for writing in Sarah, I really appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was talking about a STEMI, from Episode 4, is an ST elevation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, we don't have a myocardial infarction, it's a heart attack.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sitting up did not make it worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: His heart went into abnormal rhythm because of the blockage.
[SPEAKER_02]: causing a heart muscle to not get enough oxygen and start to die and not to conduct electrical impulses correctly.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were sending him to the cath lab once he was stabilized while the threat of cathard into his heart usually threw an artery in the wrist to open up the blockage with a balloon and or stint.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what I was like was having him sit up going to make him worse and no, it wasn't Sarah says.
[SPEAKER_02]: So episode five,
[SPEAKER_02]: She says that an ICU is mostly one nurse to one to two patients and for critical ill patients that need continuous monitoring, frequent checks, need for ventilation drips, blood pressure, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_02]: ICU stays are expensive.
[SPEAKER_02]: A med surge.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the big question last week was a unit that is a regular medical surgical floor.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what med surge stands for.
[SPEAKER_02]: with the ratio of anywhere from one nurse to four to eight patients, these patients are typically stable, not on drips, not requiring checks more frequently than every four hours, stays on medsurge, or obviously cheaper than ICU stage.
[SPEAKER_02]: And typical patient in diabetic keto acid doses, DKA, requires an ICU stay for continuous insulin drip hourly blood sugar checks,
[SPEAKER_02]: blood draws every four hours to check for electro-light abnormalities.
[SPEAKER_02]: As an aside for every patient over four that a nurse is caring for, risk of mortality for those patients goes up by approximately seven percent.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it is a very real thing in this situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah, thank you so much for clarifying that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope we can continue to rely on you for some more of your medical knowledge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise, I'll put the link for the still developing show tracker in the show notes for this episode, or John, you will all pass it to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise, I think we'll just have to wait till the next episode and come back to talk about anything else that there is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks Sarah again for writing in.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a really helpful, especially for the Med Surge breakdown for now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's let's just mention quickly that we're covering it at the seven kingdoms weekly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On the lower house feed, I'm recording a silver early in sort of Maryland soon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know you are doing Wonderman coverage.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we just elixion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, we just finished our part two episodes five through eight.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's spoiler breaks.
[SPEAKER_02]: We do breaks between each episode so that we don't sort of spoil ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also have a recording tonight with Ian and Janae from the captain's pod.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing a mid season check in on Starfleet Academy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that'll be out sometime this weekend as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Alicia's got our Oscar's coverage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a huge thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So definitely check all that out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're new season, but I forgot what it's called.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I never remember music covering music and psychology every week.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just had an episode about him the other day.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well,
[SPEAKER_02]: I him to get out of here or so we've got to let you go be a parent to carry your family don't end up in the ER again this week okay.
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