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[SPEAKER_11]: Today we're going to be talking about from season four of Madman episode two Christmas comes but once a year lucky Christmas am I right?
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[SPEAKER_11]: Emily.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let me thank you Matt.
[SPEAKER_06]: How about that intro, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: That was really good.
[SPEAKER_06]: Really spoils you with qualifications to Honestly Matt spoils me in a lot like in general.
[SPEAKER_06]: He sweetest sweetest best guy ever.
[SPEAKER_11]: I'm just a really good guy
[SPEAKER_11]: Well, good to say, you know, just something about me, just the way I was raised.
[SPEAKER_11]: I was raised to give people really, you know, great intros on podcast.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I wish that he added, I'm a future babysitter for his daughter because I'm determined.
[SPEAKER_11]: You've offered.
[SPEAKER_06]: I've offered and I have a little gift for her and I've had it right.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_09]: Um, I got to give it to me hasn't took it.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm taking it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I forgot to bring the gift.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, not yet anyway, but I mean, this wife has to approve it.
[SPEAKER_11]: I feel like, yeah, yesterday.
[SPEAKER_11]: Look, I will absolutely ask you to come babysit.
[SPEAKER_11]: I just, it is such a, it's such a chore.
[SPEAKER_11]: And, and the idea of burning anyone else with that chore feels, it feels built amazing.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not a chore.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you don't have to pay me, um, I, well, that's amazing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Which I was a kid, my,
[SPEAKER_06]: I was babysat by one of my mom's best friends and she was like a big deal to me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like I was obsessed with her.
[SPEAKER_06]: She let me play with her Barbies.
[SPEAKER_06]: She had a dress up box.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's the one who showed me Princess Bride, which is my favorite movie to this day.
[SPEAKER_08]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_08]: She around this time.
[SPEAKER_06]: She was around.
[SPEAKER_08]: Your mom's best friend was a child, another child.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean, I'm the same woman.
[SPEAKER_06]: I have like dolls and toys and costumes.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, she turned you into another her.
[SPEAKER_06]: I am I'm her and that's why I'm like I should I want to give the gift of being that adult friend who's like you don't you could be she was single until she was like in her 50s and then met like the best her husband is hot and like
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I love this.
[SPEAKER_09]: You know, and she wants your daughter to be a spinster man.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's what it sounds like.
[SPEAKER_06]: I want her to be herself and not settle.
[SPEAKER_06]: And also be open to imagination and playing little scenes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Paul, the Emery.
[SPEAKER_11]: No, I'm not open with that craft.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, not witchcraft.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love doing like costumes and all of my god.
[SPEAKER_06]: Coming up with little scenes.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yo, Karina would love you.
[SPEAKER_06]: make believe it's stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: That is my favorite thing to do and I love that so many little costumes and things that I think she would like and I have toys and things that she could play with one of which I have here with me.
[SPEAKER_11]: I know I'm very excited for this because you are a first guest who has ever actually brought something relevant to the podcast on the podcast.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'll take a little picture of the doll with me so you could post it.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, so I got a gift from someone, it like when Madman was really, you know, I think before the fourth season is what we're probably discussing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: When John was still married to Betty, like, yeah, Mattel came out with, um, Madman Barbies.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think this is, yeah, it's Mattel.
[SPEAKER_06]: And, um, they get had a Betty, a Dawn, a Roger Sterling,
[SPEAKER_06]: and a Joan.
[SPEAKER_06]: And if you have seen what I look like, you know I'm a Joan.
[SPEAKER_11]: You're a Joan.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because I saw her and immediately was like, I want to be a redhead.
[SPEAKER_06]: I want that woman.
[SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, I have the packaging, beautiful medmen box.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, it's a gorgeous box.
[SPEAKER_11]: It's got the, it's got the man men, you know, like logo logo on it with the silhouette of the sitting man.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, I have a little stand for her too.
[SPEAKER_06]: I should put her on display.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, shit, it stands.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I love to come with a gorgeous box.
[SPEAKER_06]: So beautiful.
[SPEAKER_06]: We have the little, the little pin necklace that she always, oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: And look at the milky white skin.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's so beautiful and she has a little net like that goes over her face and hair.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm probably never gonna take it off.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, the face shape.
[SPEAKER_09]: I feel like they didn't get that quite right.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, this is over did it a bit.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is the original Barbie face.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, when Barbie first came out, this was the face.
[SPEAKER_09]: She had Reese with her spoon faces.
[SPEAKER_09]: Reese with her spoon.
[SPEAKER_09]: Honestly, you know, which is pushes in right here.
[SPEAKER_06]: the nose is very tiny and the like eyes they didn't they did give her a little more sultry eye shadow there's like a smoky thing going on you got the smoky eye and she you know what she is she's she's she's doing a Wilma Flintstone and I am all for it there's real little buttons
[SPEAKER_11]: Honor Jack.
[SPEAKER_11]: They got the arms really busty too.
[SPEAKER_11]: She busty, but she's not as I think like the proportion wise.
[SPEAKER_11]: They didn't make her like busty like Christina Hendrick's busty, but still though.
[SPEAKER_06]: I wouldn't complain her toenails are painted damn they got feet they got feet on me.
[SPEAKER_06]: They got that and then they gave her a little manic care with her little red nails.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't find her fucking shoes like I'm good straighted good, Emily.
[SPEAKER_11]: I don't need we don't need the shoe Keep them off.
[SPEAKER_11]: Keep them off.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, and look at this.
[SPEAKER_06]: Can you stop it?
[SPEAKER_11]: Some honey.
[SPEAKER_06]: Her stockings are thigh high stocking.
[SPEAKER_09]: Holy shit.
[SPEAKER_09]: What if could she stomp a frog?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: Is that an inside joke?
[SPEAKER_11]: No, it's just like a fetish.
[SPEAKER_09]: I want to see her crush.
[SPEAKER_11]: I want an animal crew.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, she's so beautiful.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love her so much and is that is I got to say one of the most fuckable fuckable Crazy, but so your daughter will not be allowed to play with this doll, but no don't get that around that He could fit that in zest.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, she'll be able to I have other dolls that she can play with and stuff But I have like
[SPEAKER_06]: So many, also, can I tell you this fun thing about the, so I, I got Matt's daughter to princess nightgowns off Etsy and they're so pretty, they're handmade and they're really soft actually and they put two little tiara's and there is free gifts.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, you can give that to her because I don't, you guys don't celebrate the monarchy, right?
[SPEAKER_09]: I feel like that's she's.
[SPEAKER_11]: like she is she is all about monarchy you have to understand i'm raising like a little reactionary conservative right when you're accidentally because she's like oppositional defiance disorder so like she got that ADHD baby yeah dude she's she's got all sorts of shit it basically it just means that uh if i say do this she's like nomadoo that and laugh at you no it doesn't does that but also he punches me in the face too
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, that's that Italian blood.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's a Italian.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just remember that he just falls off and socks me like in the chin like full force closed This sweet news is I just remember Matt telling me that they you guys were not showing her princess movies That was something in the beginning.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, yeah, we tried that
[SPEAKER_06]: And so when he told me that she was like mad, she couldn't wear her princess costume, I was like, I love this girl.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to babysit this girl.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: She is my friend.
[SPEAKER_11]: She will absolutely love you.
[SPEAKER_11]: But we got to talk about your favorite.
[SPEAKER_11]: advertisement.
[SPEAKER_11]: Emily, what's your favorite advertising?
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's you know, I don't think that I have one like that I've really thought about, but on Instagram, I saw a like throwback to discovery zone.
[SPEAKER_06]: Discover zone discovery zone was like an indoor.
[SPEAKER_06]: playground thing with like the hamster tubes the ball pit.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well, no, they were really cushy.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like there was like everything was covered in like foam and plastic and stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: But it was amazing.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I remember the theme song was, I'm going dizzy, I discover his own discoveries.
[SPEAKER_06]: I could do on my own.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Great little song.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: And Jingle will stay in your head forever.
[SPEAKER_11]: Well, I think I may have found it.
[SPEAKER_11]: Let me find out.
[SPEAKER_12]: Oh shit, oh, man.
[SPEAKER_11]: They're doing all sorts of shit in this commercial.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yes, oh, no
[SPEAKER_11]: One of the kids is doing heroin.
[SPEAKER_11]: Ha ha ha ha.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh God, another one selling someone else in the prostitution, oh fuck.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that might have been why it shut down.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was very big in the 90s.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think like there were probably pervert's hiding in the fucking ball.
[SPEAKER_11]: 100% that's where a pervert would be.
[SPEAKER_06]: other thing is it was very hard to clean poop and pee out of like if someone poops the ball pit you have to empty the little ball pit yeah wash every ball and then if someone pees in the hamster tube like an adult has to go up there and clean and drink it tiny little too.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so that's why like a lot of playplaces are gone from pass food places, too.
[SPEAKER_11]: Is that they didn't have all the kids She's a studio staff to like go show on the ball pet like so it's like employees of McDonald's and Burger King had to go in there and clean it when I worked in McDonald's I was so grateful that it was one that didn't have the McDonald land like fucking play pan area Yeah, for that very reason because I was just like look you can go to a
[SPEAKER_11]: a chucky cheese or even like a high-end like a kid's space like there's a bunch of these like discovery zone type places and it does not matter what your background is, how much money your family comes from, it's like rich ones or poor ones.
[SPEAKER_11]: They are all filled with P.P.
[SPEAKER_11]: and Pupu.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yes, kids, kids are all equal.
[SPEAKER_06]: They are all...
[SPEAKER_06]: It countered P.P.
[SPEAKER_06]: or Pupu at the official places like that, but I did in the Chucky Cheese, like there was a Chucky Cheese that had like the hamster to play ground thing, and I crawled right through some piss.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, that's a thing is like I didn't know like Jesus for animals, like it really is your child casino with the best of his a child casino and my granddad would take me and he'd drink a whole picture of beer by himself Well, you like went and played
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I feel like that you were allowed to smoke in there at one point too.
[SPEAKER_11]: Like it was back in the day, like Chuck E. Cheese was, uh, it was much more ratchet.
[SPEAKER_11]: It's still ratchet now, but like I don't even think they serve alcohol there, uh, you know, at least.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, you know, I'll find out.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, I don't appreciate the portrayal of alcohol in this episode.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let me see.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know.
[SPEAKER_11]: I know.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a very bad in this episode.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, don't drink.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, it's interesting because we are seeing our very first win whiskey Fridays with Tony Duky Pill and we take the opposite approach to our drinking a 2 p.m. dog.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, dude, he doesn't give a fuck.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm that makes me feel a lot better myself after five for sure.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean, I sometimes have a brisky while I'm doing free with that and I worry that I'm being heavily judged for it, but it's not by me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Not by you.
[SPEAKER_09]: And that's probably my Georgia.
[SPEAKER_09]: You can have a liquor, but bruises are hard because they make your burp.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they don't make me burp.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm a lady, but no, my favorite thing is like, we did an episode, recently with my friend from Nashville, Marie.
[SPEAKER_06]: And she's sitting there, refilling her wine and drinking the wine throughout the episode.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm like, see, this is like a Southern girl's, we're just like drinking a video, baby.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah, so you know, listen, some podcasts are more puritanical than others.
[SPEAKER_11]: This is not one of those podcasts, but this is not a podcast about being puritanical or not drinking.
[SPEAKER_11]: No, this is a podcast about madmen.
[SPEAKER_11]: And we of course cannot start the podcast without first playing other themes song.
[SPEAKER_11]: Mad, man.
[SPEAKER_10]: You advertise the keyboard.
[SPEAKER_10]: Podcasts.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mad, man.
[SPEAKER_06]: That song is so fucking good, I mean, especially with your edit, but yeah, but I remember when when I was younger in the soprano's came out, that song was on all the adult contemporary radio stations, like constantly and I loved it every time I go on.
[SPEAKER_09]: I've been divorced from the sopranos that song is terrible.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, it's levels, it's levels worse than the friends theme song because that one was that was the same thing, it does slap and the sopranos is like another I mean, it's the brand brands only hit for whatever and and this the sopranos is even like a few levels worse than that I would say all right that's why I'll to me I find that crazy what's your thoughts on the madman
[SPEAKER_06]: instrumental theme song.
[SPEAKER_11]: Honestly, I thought it was all right until I tried to make a podcast version of the theme song and realize that this that that fucking song makes no sense tempo wise time signature wise maybe, but mostly tempo wise.
[SPEAKER_11]: I was just like, what is this shit?
[SPEAKER_11]: It's just an interstitial music.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's not strong.
[SPEAKER_11]: You can't wrap over it.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's fine.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's the vibes are good.
[SPEAKER_09]: Goodbye
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, because I play on a tour of of vibes.
[SPEAKER_09]: Deem songs.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, of TV theme songs.
[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: In my opinion, best one of all time, they watch, like with that, like with it.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, they watch, but you know, like, that is the most dramatic.
[SPEAKER_11]: Growing just takes number one.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, Power Rangers number one for me.
[SPEAKER_11]: Power Rangers is dope, too.
[SPEAKER_11]: It's like a Dragon Force song for Dragon Force.
[SPEAKER_06]: So people are staying in the darkness.
[SPEAKER_06]: Show me that smile that song is an earworm that's constantly and I put new words to it I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
[SPEAKER_11]: Anyway, today we're talking about the season tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_08]: So go up my day.
[SPEAKER_11]: I'm about to spin the trash.
[SPEAKER_11]: Everything is fine.
[SPEAKER_11]: Christmas comes once a year.
[SPEAKER_11]: Vince break us off a little piece of that synopsis.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, uh, uh, just make it up.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, it all friends were an old friend returns to the fold and the firm reluctantly throws a Christmas party for its most important client.
[SPEAKER_09]: Dawn prepares for his first Christmas away from his children and makes an indiscretion.
[SPEAKER_09]: Makes an indiscretion, doesn't he?
[SPEAKER_09]: No, it's an indiscretion, indiscretion singularly.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's like an oopsie, yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: But it made it into scratch it.
[SPEAKER_11]: What was happening at the time that this episode came out?
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, not came out.
[SPEAKER_11]: That it was set in.
[SPEAKER_11]: Set in, that's right, man.
[SPEAKER_09]: We cannot evaluate a period piece of divorce from its period context.
[SPEAKER_09]: We're going to put some of that context back in, which we like to do with the little segment that we call the news machine.
[SPEAKER_13]: I want my ass with Wall Street Journal.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is no big lie.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no system.
[SPEAKER_00]: The universe is indifferent.
[SPEAKER_06]: That universe is indifferent, that is such a haunting.
[SPEAKER_11]: I know, that is one of the greatest lines of the show where everyone just meant, man, what do you have to go and say that?
[SPEAKER_06]: It's so nihilistic, like he's like, I love it.
[SPEAKER_11]: That's capital, baby.
[SPEAKER_11]: He's just like, you guys all worry about stuff, but no one cares.
[SPEAKER_11]: We're all gonna die anyways.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, speaking of which Vince these stories.
[SPEAKER_11]: I'm like looking at like the preview.
[SPEAKER_11]: Just let me let me do it You do it, but don't step on it.
[SPEAKER_09]: A lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_09]: I went I went I used the date of when the episode was set this time Because it was easy thank you.
[SPEAKER_09]: So we're going all the way back to Christmas day
[SPEAKER_09]: 1964.
[SPEAKER_09]: This one's more necessary geopolitical context.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm sure he's necessary.
[SPEAKER_09]: Terrorists hit yanks in Saigon.
[SPEAKER_09]: Two die 58 hurt.
[SPEAKER_11]: All the Yankees were playing in Saigon.
[SPEAKER_11]: Where's he?
[SPEAKER_11]: He's got a York Yankees.
[SPEAKER_11]: That's so demonstrative.
[SPEAKER_09]: A terrorist bomb knocked out the main United States officer's billet in downtown Saigon last night killing two Americans.
[SPEAKER_09]: The blast injured 58 Americans in 16 other persons.
[SPEAKER_09]: It was the worst terrorist attack of the Vietnamese war.
[SPEAKER_09]: It was presumably set off by the Viet Cong, and it underlined the political and military difficulties the United States is having in trying to maintain the war at Fertigons' Communists.
[SPEAKER_09]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_11]: I wonder what's going to happen with that war.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: It'll probably be all right.
[SPEAKER_11]: It'll probably end right now.
[SPEAKER_11]: No.
[SPEAKER_11]: They'll say, oh, we learned our lesson.
[SPEAKER_11]: And then they'll leave.
[SPEAKER_06]: What year are we in now?
[SPEAKER_11]: 64.
[SPEAKER_11]: So 1464.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: This season, I think, is literally just two episodes in 1964 and the rest is in 1964.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, because this is Christmas, so like, New Year's has to be right after that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Hopefully, there's skip in past New Year's, because that's
[SPEAKER_09]: Look at that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I kind of like that attitude on a single like New Year's Eve, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: I like it justices me out.
[SPEAKER_11]: I like it because there's it's just more holiday.
[SPEAKER_11]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so it's like you can leave the tree up to Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's worth it for the first time.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: This one is from the San Francisco Chronicle.
[SPEAKER_09]: This one, just a weird story that I liked.
[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_11]: runaway returns youth beats fear of losing leg all right okay there's a lot going on there runaway returns youth beats fear of losing leg so they got it Matt so then okay so the youth has
[SPEAKER_11]: It'll all become clear.
[SPEAKER_11]: Okay, fine.
[SPEAKER_09]: I like guessing.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's sure.
[SPEAKER_08]: All right.
[SPEAKER_11]: You go ahead.
[SPEAKER_09]: 16-year-old Ronald Baker, who ran away from home in search of a specialist when he learned his leg would have to be abputated, returned home yesterday for a Christmas family reunion.
[SPEAKER_09]: Baker disappeared from his van-Eyes California home Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_09]: The next day he walked into a police station in Flagstaff, Arizona and told them he wanted to get back home because he knew his mother would be worried and he was getting tired.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh yeah, I think the fact that he's going to see all his sisters and brothers together for the first time helped bring him back, his mother said, Ronald has a blister on his toe from hiking nearly 40 of the 400 miles, three rides took him the rest of the way.
[SPEAKER_11]: Okay, is any point will they explain why he's losing his leg?
[SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_09]: I want to go home.
[SPEAKER_09]: He told police, I don't feel anymore that I'd rather die than have my leg cut off.
[SPEAKER_09]: I wouldn't rather die, but I'd like to find out as much as possible and see if I can keep my leg.
[SPEAKER_09]: When I left home, I was going to Chicago, Ronald said.
[SPEAKER_09]: I was told that my doctor was the best west of Chicago, so I wanted to see one in Chicago.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's a good logic.
[SPEAKER_09]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah, Ronald left home when his mother Louis Ice and Bice told him physicians advice for him long as this
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm so bored.
[SPEAKER_06]: I hope this kid dies and loses life.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm so tired of this.
[SPEAKER_06]: What a little bitch.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like just take his leg off.
[SPEAKER_06]: Take the leg and hit him in the head with his own leg.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's how I beat him.
[SPEAKER_06]: I tell him with his own leg.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, beat him in the death with his own leg.
[SPEAKER_09]: His mother, Lois, Ice and Bice.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that's my mission.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm interested again.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's about me now.
[SPEAKER_08]: Ice and Bice?
[SPEAKER_08]: Ice and Bice.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's made up.
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, I don't know, man.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, it's like a surfing turf.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like polar bear and bison
[SPEAKER_09]: Physicians advisor is left leg would have to be amputated above the knee because of a cancerous tumor The alternative was probable death in about six months.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, he really shouldn't have ran away That actually okay, so I didn't know it was bone cancer.
[SPEAKER_11]: You really got to get that leg off So I think Emily you low-key got your wish.
[SPEAKER_06]: He definitely died Did he die he died six months later?
[SPEAKER_09]: You know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_09]: I didn't see the update.
[SPEAKER_09]: Young.
[SPEAKER_06]: You didn't see the update.
[SPEAKER_06]: We just went through all of that.
[SPEAKER_09]: What do you want me to skip forward six months?
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, we can't do that.
[SPEAKER_11]: We can't do that.
[SPEAKER_11]: The rules of the episode strictly state.
[SPEAKER_09]: We just article and then forgot about the kid.
[SPEAKER_09]: Let's be honest.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's fun.
[SPEAKER_09]: Young Bakers father died when Ronald was four months old of cancer.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yesterday, the boy received this letter from 17-year-old Patty Hunley of nearby Flint Ridge who had a similar operation.
[SPEAKER_09]: I know how you feel, but everyone wants to go on living, even with an artificial league.
[SPEAKER_09]: Like, you see, I had to face the same thing you are facing now, and believe me, it wasn't as bad as you think.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, let's say I personally know someone who had this, this exact type of cancer had to have his leg.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, one of Bobby?
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, one like Bobby.
[SPEAKER_11]: And no, I really do, and it is no joke, so that is, well, fun story events, thank you for that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I still don't feel bad about everything I said.
[SPEAKER_11]: You shouldn't.
[SPEAKER_11]: It's from 64.
[SPEAKER_11]: He would have died.
[SPEAKER_11]: He would have died of lead poisoning or something anyway, right?
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, he just eaten patients.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, he would have been killed when he was playing his favorite game put plastic bag over head.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: Bond art straightened.
[SPEAKER_09]: Who's in the refrigerator?
[SPEAKER_11]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: Just death by Glenn.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Glenn would have got him.
[SPEAKER_06]: Glenn has a psychopath.
[SPEAKER_09]: This one is for Matt specifically from the Miami-Herald Jerusalem undivided for holiday.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, fun 64 Jerusalem undivided.
[SPEAKER_11]: Let's do this.
[SPEAKER_09]: Jerusalem, Jordan.
[SPEAKER_09]: Nearly 4,500 Christians from Israel crossed through the Mandelbaum Gate of divided Jerusalem Thursday for cheerful yet joyous Christmas reunions with relatives in the Jordanian sector.
[SPEAKER_09]: Sick.
[SPEAKER_09]: They hugged and kissed each other on this once a year occasion when the gate is open to his railies, Christians, most of them Arabs.
[SPEAKER_09]: Fresh in their minds was a gun battle in Jerusalem one day between Jordanian and Israeli forces.
[SPEAKER_09]: The border crossing went smoothly but those with four-day passes had to queue to get through in a persistent drizzle.
[SPEAKER_11]: Unless you get the fast pass, you got to get the e-ticket.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, if you got this really fast pass, then you could do all the rides faster.
[SPEAKER_09]: They carried an assortment of gifts.
[SPEAKER_09]: So one man had a fish wrapped in newspaper with its head peeping out of his overcoat.
[SPEAKER_09]: That sucks.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, my favorite.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: I got a fish.
[SPEAKER_09]: I got a fish for my daughter.
[SPEAKER_09]: It is a fish in your pocket and you're happy to see me.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's both.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, that's a fun story, Vince.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'll save it present appear to be olive oil, which was said to be in short supply in Jordan, which seems like.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: I can imagine short supply in the fucking Middle East.
[SPEAKER_09]: And then finally I got an article that feels like it was written by a Bugs Bunny character.
[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: I love this one.
[SPEAKER_09]: This is also from the Miami Harold.
[SPEAKER_09]: Is it?
[SPEAKER_09]: It's headline.
[SPEAKER_09]: I taught I taught a pudding tat.
[SPEAKER_09]: Almost.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's called a Mary Nothing to Bookie.
[SPEAKER_09]: By Jimmy Cannon of New York Journal American.
[SPEAKER_11]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm better off I'm a Russian spy.
[SPEAKER_09]: A bookmaker has already worse than a communist in this country, by the way, worse to worse.
[SPEAKER_09]: A bookmaker has already worse than a communist in this country.
[SPEAKER_09]: The whole world's against a bookmaker.
[SPEAKER_09]: Everyone roots against a bookmaker.
[SPEAKER_09]: Anyone ever better do so with a bookmaker, hopesy drops dead.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: This is about a bookie.
[SPEAKER_11]: This is a story about a guy who takes bets.
[SPEAKER_06]: God, I was very confused.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: You were looking at no respect because he was like, listen, I struggle with reading too.
[SPEAKER_06]: But he's just crazy.
[SPEAKER_09]: A player Welsh is everybody sorry for him.
[SPEAKER_09]: He's just a victim, but let a bookmaker Welsh, and he's already a rat, then should get the electric chair.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, that's the one we read.
[SPEAKER_11]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_11]: But he's, I mean, they're not wrong.
[SPEAKER_11]: If you're a bookie and you're welching, that's like your, your whole job is to pay out a bet.
[SPEAKER_09]: Listen, as Don Draper would say, that's what the money is for.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_09]: I hate Christmas week.
[SPEAKER_09]: I never get a legitimate Merry Christmas from nobody.
[SPEAKER_09]: They don't kid me.
[SPEAKER_09]: They don't want me to have a Merry Nothing.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's a nice thing to feel around Christmas.
[SPEAKER_09]: They want me to get hit with a truck on a Christmas.
[SPEAKER_09]: On our Christmas?
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: I even got grief once giving a player a Christmas present.
[SPEAKER_09]: Wait, this isn't Italian, I wasn't.
[SPEAKER_11]: You should be reading this like a Mario.
[SPEAKER_11]: That's who this is.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[SPEAKER_09]: One year there's a creep playing with me bed himself overboard.
[SPEAKER_09]: He's got a few kids and so forth.
[SPEAKER_09]: I know he ain't got what to eat.
[SPEAKER_09]: So I figure I'll give the sausage a Merry Christmas.
[SPEAKER_09]: I take him on the side and tell him he don't owe me nothing.
[SPEAKER_09]: I say Merry Christmas, we're all even.
[SPEAKER_09]: Just like writing down the thoughts of your grandfather.
[SPEAKER_11]: So it's the most, it's just like, is this the beginning of a musical?
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, no body, respect, supple, gheong, christmas, uh, bitch.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a musical if it was written by the saffy brothers.
[SPEAKER_06]: We have to hang on for saff.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it's just a jem party, right, man.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, insane.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm calling off the Owings for Christmas.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right away, right away, he says, you cut off my credit.
[SPEAKER_09]: He says, I lost the fourth fortune with you.
[SPEAKER_09]: You sandwiching in, you louse.
[SPEAKER_09]: Hold on, he says I lost a fortune with you.
[SPEAKER_09]: You sandwiching in you louse.
[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, I get it now.
[SPEAKER_09]: I don't I still don't how do you get that now?
[SPEAKER_09]: I want a sandwich.
[SPEAKER_09]: Tell me of sandwiching in me I think it means like you're closing up shop and you're not letting me bet anymore.
[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: I Says no, I'm just giving you a Christmas present from my heart.
[SPEAKER_09]: I have to keep on talking to convince this thing He's looking for some angle
[SPEAKER_09]: Finally, I convinced the bagel.
[SPEAKER_09]: He don't even say, thank you.
[SPEAKER_09]: That was an anti-Semitic slur.
[SPEAKER_11]: I just want to point out, that was an anti-Semitic slur.
[SPEAKER_11]: Calling me a bagel?
[SPEAKER_11]: Is that what you're saying?
[SPEAKER_11]: He says, yeah, I'll go ahead.
[SPEAKER_11]: I know.
[SPEAKER_09]: As soon as I declare him even, he stops playing with me.
[SPEAKER_09]: He gives his business to another bookmaker.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, it was on for like another this that I'm not even halfway crazy that someone wrote that wrote this all down I kind of I kind of loved this and I want to hear his thoughts on the news Yeah, I'm a hero on like age 10 He figured I must have some gimmick going that he can't figure so I lose his action because I'm looking to stake him to a merry Christmas
[SPEAKER_09]: It costs me trying to be a nice guy.
[SPEAKER_09]: I love it everywhere, getting mugged everywhere.
[SPEAKER_09]: People are getting mugged everywhere.
[SPEAKER_09]: You know why?
[SPEAKER_09]: Cops are so busy locking up bookmakers, they can't do nothing else.
[SPEAKER_09]: The whole police department is working to knock out every bookmaker.
[SPEAKER_09]: If they close them up, the whole town could be wrapped up and sold for a pork chop.
[SPEAKER_09]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_11]: I fucking love this guy.
[SPEAKER_11]: You said nobody respects a book maker anymore.
[SPEAKER_11]: I you know what I for a bit there.
[SPEAKER_11]: I was like I hope he's an author
[SPEAKER_11]: Like he's a guy who writes novels, but he's like, I make books like Steven King.
[SPEAKER_11]: Me, I'm a bookmaker.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, I mean, all sorts of books.
[SPEAKER_11]: It.
[SPEAKER_10]: Lunching.
[SPEAKER_10]: Non-fiction.
[SPEAKER_10]: New York plus 12 against Philadelphia.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: I make lots of books.
[SPEAKER_06]: Do you know a big ass coffee table book?
[SPEAKER_11]: Adventures of mugs?
[SPEAKER_11]: Pictures of mugs.
[SPEAKER_11]: Pictures of other coffee tables.
[SPEAKER_11]: I like to think he wrote this.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's a brilliant coffee table bug day.
[SPEAKER_11]: I think did I steal that from Seinfeld?
[SPEAKER_11]: I stole that from Seinfeld.
[SPEAKER_09]: I stole that from Seinfeld.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, fuck, that's so funny.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: I like to think she wrote this in proper English and the editor was like, listen, no one's going to believe you're a bookie unless I rewrite this in a bug's bunny character speak.
[SPEAKER_11]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: Well, that's.
[SPEAKER_11]: So that's the new's machine.
[SPEAKER_11]: Now we're properly contextualized to understand this episode.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's a little bit of news spoken at the Christmas party at this.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I forget.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_11]: They were talking about the civil rights movement, which is one of my favorites.
[SPEAKER_11]: This is the free slope.
[SPEAKER_11]: This slippery slope.
[SPEAKER_11]: But before we get into that here is a little bit of this week's Draper D story.
[SPEAKER_14]: It's like the booklet.
[SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_14]: It's like the booklet.
[SPEAKER_13]: It's like the booklet.
[SPEAKER_13]: Don't hesitate with that little say Man, his kids miss him And Freddy, Brumson, don't dream no more No more Anyway, there's even more To that, if you can believe it But yes, this is a Christmas episode of Mad Men Now I don't
[SPEAKER_11]: fully remember, I'm sure we've had a Christmas episode so far, but what I like about this one is it is actually a Christmas office Christmas party episode, which is an even more interesting angle, and make it about the magic of Christmas.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, surprised about.
[SPEAKER_09]: I think that's when I checked out of Ted Lasso.
[SPEAKER_09]: Because in that first season, it was the pandemic.
[SPEAKER_09]: I was like, I kind of like this.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'll get to see British people.
[SPEAKER_09]: I haven't been outside for a month.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'll see British people.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, my favorite thing.
[SPEAKER_09]: It was felt exotic and then they did a Christmas episode that actually had like Santa's sleigh fly over.
[SPEAKER_09]: And I'm like, I think I'm done.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I didn't finish that show.
[SPEAKER_11]: I got a few episodes in and I realized I just I'm too much of a piece of shit to what I did.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, I didn't think it was uplifting.
[SPEAKER_09]: I thought the joke was that everybody hated Ted Lasso at first and then like I think they leaned into the idea that people thought it was uplifting and then they tried to make it that and oh, that's so.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's this is not why I was watching this show at all, sorry.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: Well, this episode has no Santa, at least no Santa Slay, but it does have someone in a Santa suit.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, let's do this before after the tractor mode over that guy's letter.
[SPEAKER_11]: Right after, yeah, that was last season.
[SPEAKER_11]: No, and this is, was that at a Christmas party?
[SPEAKER_11]: Or was that a different one?
[SPEAKER_06]: It's an office party.
[SPEAKER_11]: It was an office party.
[SPEAKER_11]: It was the welcome to,
[SPEAKER_11]: the, you know, the when the British company bought Sterling Cooper and it was also simultaneously a good buy Joan party because Joan was getting married and was going to, you know, not need to work anymore, because her husband was going to be a surgeon and then I turned out as her husband is bad at surgery.
[SPEAKER_11]: He's a piece of shit and a rapist, but they didn't know that and, um, yeah, so
[SPEAKER_11]: This is a different kind of disastrous office party episode and let's get some general thoughts Vince, please tell me you watched this episode.
[SPEAKER_09]: I sure did, first of all this episode is called Christmas comes but once a year.
[SPEAKER_09]: I think they should have called this episode a Christmas boner because you know it's about Don trying to have sex with people and making a mistake so it's like you know it works on multiple levels.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, I usually like to bang on about, you know, history and America in the 20th century and John as a metaphor for America.
[SPEAKER_09]: But I feel like this episode was a pretty straightforward character drama that would have worked in just about any era.
[SPEAKER_09]: And I think the Freddy Rumsen Peggy storyline is the most interesting to me.
[SPEAKER_09]: Like this, does Freddy start annoying her because he doesn't have booze as an excuse anymore?
[SPEAKER_09]: Is it because that
[SPEAKER_09]: He's no longer a broken drunk, so Peggy's lost interest in him because, you know, she likes men who are broken in sort of a project, or has she just grown up, meanwhile, there's lots of dawn being a drunk pig, and we just discovered the lucky strikes guy is even more of a piece of shit than we thought.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh yeah, previously.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm surprised you didn't like the most interesting stuff to me is the Sally.
[SPEAKER_06]: weird Glenn shit.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, see, I like my next line was about the Sally Glenn relationship.
[SPEAKER_09]: I feel like is a very poor substitute for the Betty Glenn relationship.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, sure.
[SPEAKER_09]: And this episode just overall does nothing to beat the allegations that January Jones pissed off the producers somehow between last season and this one.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, really interesting.
[SPEAKER_09]: I did not know that that was the allegation Um, as to people think that there was that that something happened because there's like a distinct difference between the first three seasons of Betty Yes, I completely just Discares from the I think she has one line in the show where she's like walking into Betty into Sally's room and then leaves and then never to be seen again
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but so Emily you expand on your thoughts so you were the most interested in in Glenn and Sally tell me about what you think about I think Glenn is the villain of all of Madman I think he is a fucking psychopath serial killer and the making I think he is I think he will become a pedophile as he grows older
[SPEAKER_06]: he's so weird and creepy and but he started out like an old woman and now suddenly he's like well now he's like if I can't have the mom I'll be he's well here's what he's doing he's manipulating Sally in order to get closer to Betty again that's what I yeah yeah that's what I think too he's been the reverse of that Mormon guy from the documentary
[SPEAKER_06]: yeah it's it's so creepy and just the way that he is like possessive like the minute you see him in the first place he's like you walked right by me and you didn't say anything yes like uh girls girls and then he like calls her pretends to be someone else she's talking on the phone he's like this is private she's having to hide things from her nanny which is give me scary again and then sadly complicit yeah
[SPEAKER_06]: yeah and then he breaks into the house and makes his other little friend do it and you could tell the little friend is like I can't believe I'm doing this like yeah so that's the thing I don't want to live in yeah he manipulated his little friend like he's a psycho-manipulative like sociopath like the real blend does not have little friends like the fact that he had a minion like no one is hanging out with Glenn he probably might have felt that little friend is what happened
[SPEAKER_11]: It's like, I'll show you, I'll see if you better come rate this house with me.
[SPEAKER_11]: I'll show everyone that picture of me sucking your dick while you were asleep.
[SPEAKER_06]: Or like, I'm gonna fuck your mom if you don't do this with me.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, because he does have that power.
[SPEAKER_11]: Lee, Lee's with January Jones with Betty Draper.
[SPEAKER_11]: It did seem like he had a shot at fucking her when he was a baby.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: That was so weird.
[SPEAKER_11]: And it was just like, I love that.
[SPEAKER_11]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, it was also just showing you how like much of a little girl, Sally, Drake, like, or like Betty Betty.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_09]: Glenn brings out Sally.
[SPEAKER_09]: Glenn brings out Betty's freak.
[SPEAKER_09]: I don't know what he does for Sally.
[SPEAKER_11]: Like, it's not, it's a worse
[SPEAKER_11]: the has the same relationship to Glenn like Sally's relationship actually it's too little kids like having a you know all right so when that's when and then freaky freaky older lady sure but when Glenn was little and you know and was talking to Betty then he was kind of like this like eerie magical cat type character where you're just like
[SPEAKER_11]: Is this a real person or is he speaking to a ghost?
[SPEAKER_11]: Because he was so weird, everything he says sounds unnatural and it's strange.
[SPEAKER_11]: And then you see him now talking to Sally and the roles are just different.
[SPEAKER_11]: He is not, um, now he's just a weird neuro-typical thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that everything he said when he was talking to Betty was to get a reaction from a person.
[SPEAKER_06]: There was nothing Glenn actually likes.
[SPEAKER_06]: All he does is manipulate you into doing something or getting a reaction that he wants.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, he's a witch.
[SPEAKER_11]: He's like a warlock.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, he's a sociopath.
[SPEAKER_06]: I will have you in the palm of my hand by telling you everything I know you want to hear.
[SPEAKER_06]: He knows that Sally, she wants to see her dad.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's so sad about it.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's like, okay, so I can help to manipulate what her parents do, make them move.
[SPEAKER_11]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: I change your fucking location.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can like change the course of your life because everyone is I know what you want Yes, so everyone is a puppet at the you know at the end of Glenn's fingers Glenn is the puppet master And the crazy thing the only thing I don't like is that the single mom trope there's kind of this thing where it's like oh well his mom is like the independent single woman and that's why he's crazy
[SPEAKER_06]: But that's not it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think his mother is a fucking big mouth gossip.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's a problem.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like she's talking shit behind people's backs to a child about divorce.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's really inappropriate and weird.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think his mom is just a terrible gossip.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then he knows that getting people's secrets and stuff is a way to get what he wants.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, he's like fucking, he's like little finger from fucking game of throw.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, but that's exactly what it is.
[SPEAKER_06]: But little finger.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's the thing is that they treat a character who as Matt described he said he's like a magical cat and that that that makes him wonderful and then they turned him into like a vehicle for like children of divorced to to Commiserate with each other and that's not as good.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm sorry
[SPEAKER_11]: I'm still, I'm still fascinated by him.
[SPEAKER_11]: I think one of the interesting things about Glenn is that he is the son of Matthew Wiener.
[SPEAKER_11]: And his name is also, his name is also a Holden Wiener.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yes, his real name is Holden Wiener.
[SPEAKER_11]: Holden weiner.
[SPEAKER_11]: Holden.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh god.
[SPEAKER_11]: Weiner.
[SPEAKER_11]: This is real name.
[SPEAKER_11]: So his dad is always hated him and was like, let's put my weird kid on this show.
[SPEAKER_11]: And as he ages He only becomes more unnatural, which I find fascinating.
[SPEAKER_11]: So like I enjoyed the Glenn Sally stuff because he's such a weirdo He's like, you know when you play poker with somebody who
[SPEAKER_11]: Who does not know how to play poker or You know and how often you play poker.
[SPEAKER_11]: I used to play poker.
[SPEAKER_11]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know how to play poker So I would be that person.
[SPEAKER_11]: Well, so what happens then is you don't know how to read that person They have no tells because they don't know what they're doing and and that's sort of like Glenn's care human emotions are things that they're faking
[SPEAKER_11]: Right.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_11]: So you don't know.
[SPEAKER_11]: You literally don't know what he's going to do at any point.
[SPEAKER_11]: So when he breaks into the house to start, you know, like, going through the fridge, you're like, is he going to put Cummins something?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, that movie or what is it was.
[SPEAKER_06]: Happyness.
[SPEAKER_06]: Squid and the whales are within the whale.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yes, squid and the whale.
[SPEAKER_11]: There's a few different Cum movies that I feel like Glenn would come into.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know.
[SPEAKER_11]: There's Cummins,
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the kids mere scum on like come on the lockers and Yeah, yeah, he's that you remember there was like a moment that's the school.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, this was the whale.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like a reference to the natural history museum or something to go to.
[SPEAKER_06]: But it's so weird that time period there were just so many fucking disturbing independent film movies.
[SPEAKER_06]: And everything was fine.
[SPEAKER_09]: Like happiness is so good.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's like
[SPEAKER_09]: It's a very big deal.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a very big deal.
[SPEAKER_11]: It's a very big deal.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a very big deal.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's a very big deal.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh shit, I am way off.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_06]: There was a weird moment late 90s of the indie scene where it was like, oh, you know, white people aren't interesting and we don't suffer at all.
[SPEAKER_06]: So let's create ways to come and stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's create ways to create suffering.
[SPEAKER_08]: Fucking his mom.
[SPEAKER_08]: What, what's the movie?
[SPEAKER_08]: Gilbert, great.
[SPEAKER_08]: Thanking the monkey.
[SPEAKER_08]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I've heard of it, but I haven't seen it.
[SPEAKER_08]: I do not know that.
[SPEAKER_08]: Is that, he fucks his mom.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't like it either, but I bet Glenn does that.
[SPEAKER_11]: 100% he definitely as fucked up David O. Russell movie, by the way.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: No wonder he's weird.
[SPEAKER_06]: I I'm not saying that I I don't this I'm fascinated by the Glenn dynamic in the show, but he's so disturbing like I just seen at the beginning with him is like it's it's just a continuation of
[SPEAKER_11]: the weirdness that he brings to the show.
[SPEAKER_11]: Here's the opening scene right so it's Henry and Betty and the fam are out buying Christmas trees.
[SPEAKER_11]: They go off for a second and then Glenn calls out to Sally and we see Glenn for the first time in a while.
[SPEAKER_11]: Here's that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey Sally.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hello.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Glenn.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We all just walked around by me when he came in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing back here?
[SPEAKER_01]: My mom got married, and I'm just a live with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw you new dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: My mom said that would happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, are you getting a treat?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm working.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you do?
[SPEAKER_01]: I bring Tuan over.
[SPEAKER_01]: Get to cut it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I made it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are good colors.
[SPEAKER_11]: So every single person speaking in that scene is an alien.
[SPEAKER_11]: And I've, yeah, what are you doing back here, my mom remarried?
[SPEAKER_06]: My mom remarried.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then he gets mad at Bobby for not knowing the thing that he didn't answer.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_09]: He can't do pleasantries without trying to catch strangers in a lie.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's like he's always, like subconsciously trying to blackmail everyone.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's because he's little finger, but I also love little Bobby just being like that's so cool Like he's so sweet that he had a knife me.
[SPEAKER_11]: Well, no, that's so this is the other weird thing about that scene He's like oh, yeah, no, I work here I cut twine and shows off his knife and it's got a lanyard on it and he goes oh cool and
[SPEAKER_11]: Glenn immediately is like, yeah, thanks.
[SPEAKER_11]: I made it and he's talking about the Lanured.
[SPEAKER_11]: I don't know why he would.
[SPEAKER_11]: Why wouldn't he naturally assume that Bobby's talking about the fucking knife.
[SPEAKER_11]: I know.
[SPEAKER_06]: And he brandishing a fucking knife.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's got a knife.
[SPEAKER_11]: He's a kid with a knife and then grippy.
[SPEAKER_11]: And then Sally is like, she says that's a good color, but she doesn't say that.
[SPEAKER_11]: She says that's a color.
[SPEAKER_11]: And like everything about
[SPEAKER_11]: And you know, have you heard little kids talk to each other and it's well, my daughter does talk and now that kid is intentionally like Oh, he's weeping you like Misdirected and confused.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's like what he does.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's so scary.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that kid is going to be a huge problem.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes Can I say this is the first school shooter?
[SPEAKER_09]: 100% yes first guy can I say there is an undertone in this episode that I do not like Like there is a recurring theme in this episode which is like the theme is like oh People don't like it when when you when you say that they're a type
[SPEAKER_09]: And that's sort of like based on the idea That's a point.
[SPEAKER_09]: I did that's based on the idea that like types exist in the world Which I don't really think is true.
[SPEAKER_09]: I think the idea of types was mostly an invention of the advertising industry Yes, like an innovation of them discovering that like types exist in the world It's like no you guys invented that shit so that you could advertise the different categories
[SPEAKER_09]: to the point where, like, especially like the early 2010s, like 20 teens nerd culture, that was like the ultimate culmination of, like the success of the advertising people, the success of the advertising industry, telling people that they were types to the point that people would like willingly gravitate to types to be like, no, I am this type, I am not that type, right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and it's like that's someone else's creation, like you were that is entirely what's like an influencer stuff is now, which is Yes, they take that advertising thing and then they'll take things like Zodiac, which I think is totally just about manipulating people into thinking they are a certain category Yes, yes, yes, yes, they are not an individual with freedom of thought.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it is so gross.
[SPEAKER_06]: I hate Zodiac shit Anyway, I
[SPEAKER_06]: It's also beta alpha, like that kind of thing, it's another version of it.
[SPEAKER_11]: And now we call it, we literally call it branding.
[SPEAKER_09]: Everyone talks about their brand.
[SPEAKER_09]: Everybody wants to have like a personal brand because they're like trying to, they're trying to pre-tell advertising firms on what they are on Instagram.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, because I even do that on Instagram and I just don't.
[SPEAKER_06]: I try not to pay attention to it.
[SPEAKER_06]: The only thing I care about is that it's half and half women and men.
[SPEAKER_06]: I would prefer it to be mostly women, but if it's less than half, I get really concerned.
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, no, I think that the casting process also, that happens in Hollywood.
[SPEAKER_06]: It feels illegal and that it shouldn't exist anymore because the way that the descriptions of casting happen it's so fucked up I always think about People who have to go in for ugly people roles and like and then the script is like she's ugly
[SPEAKER_06]: Or the fat kid stuff where it's like, no, I feel the fat kids, I hate it.
[SPEAKER_09]: There's a few things about this.
[SPEAKER_09]: So the thing, this is a good segue.
[SPEAKER_09]: The thing that I was going to bring up is that in, I think, one of Dave Eggers' books, I think it's a heartbreaking work of staggering genius.
[SPEAKER_09]: He's talking about like being there when they cast the first season of the real world.
[SPEAKER_09]: And he would've been like, everybody his age was trying to get on the real world.
[SPEAKER_09]: And he had met this guy, Puck, and, you know, Puck eventually got
[SPEAKER_09]: on the real world.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's like the only person I remember.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's a really good thing.
[SPEAKER_09]: And realizing that this was like the first manifestation of this push towards monolithic personality types, where it's like Puck got cast on that show because he was such a type and he was a self-conscious type and he had made himself a type and was trying to fit himself into this.
[SPEAKER_09]: character show slot yeah being a character which is exactly what you're talking about which is it came from the casting process which is like okay we're looking for not like seven people that have uh full-fledged personalities but seven like monolithic personality type right yeah i went to acting classes when i like first moved here
[SPEAKER_06]: With this one casting director who shortly after I took the classes, there was this article about how racist she was and I didn't experience that in the classes that thing is I was told that she was one of the best I went in it was in 2018 and the stuff we were watching was multi camps sitcom stuff which wasn't happening anymore yeah this is this is how you act and you just put on king of queens
[SPEAKER_06]: know they put on friends and they gave us a scene from friends.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, what the fuck is this?
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's like, I'm already 30, you know, two, I'm kind of aged out of like whatever she's trying to do, which is take the money of a young person and make them make them think they're going to be a star.
[SPEAKER_11]: Never to old to pay me money for me to lie to you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Exactly, and everyone who was in that room was super young and stupid, and I like she could tell that I was seeing through the bullshit.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: There's always those kind of thing always, and they're always like sort of teaching like something that's from the previous generation.
[SPEAKER_09]: I remember those types being around like the stand-up scene where there'd be like this.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, the stand-up class thing.
[SPEAKER_09]: There's sort of managers, and it was like,
[SPEAKER_09]: This is in like, you know, or 2012 or whatever, and they're like, they're like, I can teach you how to get on a Johnny Carson and you know, and get invited back to Johnny Carson's couch afterwards, and you're like, this is not how stand up comedy works, you know, I'm sad to tell you.
[SPEAKER_06]: I dated this older, like, stand up comedian when I was in New York and towards the end of David Letterman's show.
[SPEAKER_06]: They were just getting on as many, like, comed, older male comedians that had been regulars at danger fields.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah, yeah, that had never gotten to do it.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it was like everybody who was like in their 40s have been paying their dues at Dangerfields because that's why you went there.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was to get late night spots.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, they were just going through them.
[SPEAKER_06]: Rolled X.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I was dating a guy who he was pretty funny, but he was very like delivery was very kind of.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that era.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, kind of fit into that box.
[SPEAKER_06]: And but they all work kind of the same and they're all good joke writers and stuff, but it wasn't like this person was going to break through because there was nothing original about them because that's if you do types and stuff you just end up falling into the fold right the whole the the entire career path.
[SPEAKER_09]: Outline had been destroyed by that point, but everybody was still like, no, this is what's gonna happen I'm gonna do late night credit.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I'm gonna do I'm gonna get a set I'm gonna do just for laughs and then they're gonna give me the vote Yeah, for sure for sure.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but he um, he also I remember I was like 20.
[SPEAKER_06]: I guess 7 when I was dating him He was like 40.
[SPEAKER_06]: He three.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know
[SPEAKER_06]: And he had this email list that he had to constantly update because he did the road.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so he was always dealing with this email list of people that had signed up for his email list.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm like, I didn't have the heart to tell him.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was like, oh boy, that goes straight into the trash.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like I ain't nobody looking at that email and going let's set up a date in the calendar to go see this guy that I saw once He won't stop emailing me.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah, I remember the email list was a big thing.
[SPEAKER_08]: I buy his shirt that says super finger on it Yeah, exactly
[SPEAKER_09]: I think he established the blueprint of you got to have a big email list.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, fucking nuts.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, Instagram is the new email list.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think most of the people who follow me would show up to a stand-up show that I did.
[SPEAKER_11]: Well, I just think social media is completely changed.
[SPEAKER_11]: So everyone's their own type.
[SPEAKER_11]: Everyone's got their own brand and nobody ever sees anybody.
[SPEAKER_11]: So it's wonderful.
[SPEAKER_11]: Everyone loses.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I think that people follow me because they want to see when I lose my mind when the downwards viral happens.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I will not disappoint, baby.
[SPEAKER_06]: I will be there soon.
[SPEAKER_11]: It will happen.
[SPEAKER_06]: I got to tell you what this lady said my type was.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, please.
[SPEAKER_06]: In the acting class.
[SPEAKER_06]: So she was like, it was when I was still blonde and I didn't take this advice.
[SPEAKER_06]: She goes, you're not a blonde, by the way.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm like, I know, I'm not naturally.
[SPEAKER_06]: anything and she's like, no, you should have darker hair and you should wear glasses because you are not the lead you're not the ongenue you are the like You best friend.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know she said I was the crabby secretary in like an office show And like the she's like you're the person at the front desk who's mean to everyone and I'm like, okay That's not terrible
[SPEAKER_06]: flow from progressive stole your whole she's nice I would be like the one at the front who's like who are you here to see like you know that kind of person like and I was like damn it she's kind of right she got me yeah and then I was like you know what she's right I'm not a blonde I'm gonna go red because I want to be Joan I never took any of those classes because I was afraid that the teacher would be like um well Dustin Diamond already exists so
[SPEAKER_06]: You are nothing like Dustin Diamond.
[SPEAKER_11]: Anyways, we're talking about, you know, people's brands and people being a type.
[SPEAKER_11]: This is the episode where we're introduced to someone who is going to be one of Don's many lovers, we're introduced to Dr. Fay Miller.
[SPEAKER_11]: So there is a meeting.
[SPEAKER_06]: Karen Wheeler.
[SPEAKER_11]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_11]: I was wondering how I knew her.
[SPEAKER_11]: I was like, oh, it's Karen.
[SPEAKER_11]: She played so beautiful.
[SPEAKER_11]: I don't know what actress.
[SPEAKER_11]: I wish I knew the actress's name, but she is like a bono.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, she's like one of the most on a good Italian.
[SPEAKER_11]: She's one of the most beautiful people in the world.
[SPEAKER_11]: And so we meet Atherton.
[SPEAKER_11]: Last episode, there was like, remember Vince, you were asking like, yes, this is fucking Atherton guy.
[SPEAKER_11]: It's like a brief adventure.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's the libertarian marketing firm.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yes, celebratory and marketing firm of course, friends, personal friends with Bert Cooper, who was a big iron rant head, and we meet Dr. Miller who invented the, quote, carefree girl in white pants.
[SPEAKER_09]: So I love when like the advertising people name their claims to fame in the show.
[SPEAKER_09]: It always reminds me of Zulander with Mugato, where like you got to his back story is like,
[SPEAKER_09]: The Piano Keyneck tie, I admit it.
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[SPEAKER_09]: and not be me.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'd have to get some rip die and die the whole plant.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm a carefree woman in red pants.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: And so she's like the marketing person that we're going to kind of get to know more.
[SPEAKER_11]: We first meet her passing out a test that is supposed to, I guess, get, um,
[SPEAKER_11]: Insight into each of these employees or in this meeting and To in order to get demographic information like I'm not sure why you would do this to the actual people that you are trying to This is a partnership with this is the start of advertising thinking that they're doing a genuine public service, right?
[SPEAKER_09]: They're doing science.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, they'll be doing science and that they're doing like an altruistic to help people
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, like that they are some sort of, you know, like some sort of charity service.
[SPEAKER_09]: Like to this day, I think people in advertising genuinely think that they're doing like a good thing for society.
[SPEAKER_09]: And I feel like that was one of the most pernicious forces in the beginning of that.
[SPEAKER_06]: What is the point of, I guess I was really confused as to who they were.
[SPEAKER_06]: I thought are they introducing a new way of interviewing like people who do there.
[SPEAKER_09]: I think they're introducing the consulting class where they're like, we're going to take a chunk of this money to do fuck all or doing marketing research and demographic research.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're going to go out to regular people and get like a focus group.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, it's supposed to make you
[SPEAKER_11]: focus groups better.
[SPEAKER_11]: It's supposed to, you know, I guess, like, help creative, focus their attitude.
[SPEAKER_06]: So they're kind of having them do it so that they understand how to execute the test down the line or something.
[SPEAKER_09]: We tell you who your, we tell you who your market is.
[SPEAKER_09]: You can, you can aim your advertising at like the, the people that you want to get.
[SPEAKER_06]: So this is just old time he buzzed.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, let's figure out.
[SPEAKER_09]: They're giving everyone to see what Hogwarts house is.
[SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_09]: And when I say that this is like the beginning of the end is like the reason ad supported media, like, doesn't work anymore is like we had all these people that thought.
[SPEAKER_09]: They thought that you could quantify the special sauce and advertising, whereas it's like we're going to give everybody like a little code, and you can see exactly which ads brought in which customers.
[SPEAKER_09]: And it's like, as soon as you do that, first of all, everyone starts, everyone starts jiggering the numbers, and second of all, like you're cutting, you're cutting the legs off of your own business, because the whole reason that advertising can make money is because we don't
[SPEAKER_09]: You can't separate people that we're going to buy your shit anyway with people that bought it specifically because of an ad.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and also, once they do, you could do that and they ruin the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: And once you're chasing like that dragon, things move forward.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then that is irrelevant.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, so it's kind of like with, I think YouTube or social media and everybody paying attention to algorithms.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like,
[SPEAKER_06]: Don't fucking pay attention to it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sometimes you're going to be up.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sometimes you're going to be down.
[SPEAKER_06]: But if you focus more on the algorithm and stuff, then you're never going to get ahead.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, you're just going to stuck in the past all the fucking time.
[SPEAKER_09]: So it's just, yeah, it's the same thing in politics, where it's like you, you have a responsibility to shape public opinion, not just respond to it.
[SPEAKER_09]: And it's exactly the part where you're shaping it, then like you're all, you're always like fighting for an audience that is dwindling.
[SPEAKER_11]: So I have my own theory about Fay.
[SPEAKER_11]: I think that Fay isn't doing any of this specifically to show off her psychological skills.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think she's a job.
[SPEAKER_11]: I think she's doing this a fuck done.
[SPEAKER_11]: And I say this because everyone else is filling out the thing.
[SPEAKER_11]: Meanwhile, Fay is staring at Don, Don is staring at Fay and he doesn't fill it out.
[SPEAKER_11]: Because the first question is like, hey, did you ever accidentally kill your commanding
[SPEAKER_11]: or something like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's also like, Steph, when it comes to family and things, he just, his divorce is killing him.
[SPEAKER_11]: Like, right, there's the divorce part that had ever get kicked death by a horse.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, are you the son of a, of a horse?
[SPEAKER_11]: Are you a bastard?
[SPEAKER_11]: And so he doesn't fill it out, and he walks off.
[SPEAKER_11]: Fay is kind of left in the lurch for the rest of the episode kind of just as a prop sitting in between Atharitan and and Bert Cooper and in one of my favorite scenes in which they are it's the Christmas party and for some reason Atharitan is bringing up the fact that Social the kids all of socialism which is apparently conversation that's never going to end old people will always have this conversation and here is that
[SPEAKER_14]: They can't accept the fact that others have to make decisions for them.
[SPEAKER_14]: You're from Great Britain.
[SPEAKER_14]: I think you'd be familiar with the Parals Association.
[SPEAKER_14]: Civil rights is the beginning of a slippery slope.
[SPEAKER_14]: If they pass medicare, they won't stop until they ban personal property.
[SPEAKER_14]: Stormor houses and Great Paralyze.
[SPEAKER_11]: like it's such a fantastic scene to get an insight into why those two are friends.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, like Bert Cooper and Atherton are just like they love sitting around talking about how like civil rights is actually bad though.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but also super Cooper, like Cooper's the the old guy, right?
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, the old guy.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but he also loves like Chinese culture and then he plays Japanese culture.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, yeah, so but he like has, you know, the the thing where you take your shoes off and Yeah, he's he's an office.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's a criminal.
[SPEAKER_09]: He's the original weep.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, he'll like the most
[SPEAKER_06]: So it feels like he's he's into stuff that isn't quite American.
[SPEAKER_11]: No, but like Japanese libertarian stuff.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah Yeah, like you'll notice a lot of connections, but you ever see like not sees online who love Hentai It's that connection.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love Hentai, am I?
[SPEAKER_11]: No, no, no, a lot of you know normal people also like Hentai.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, thank you
[SPEAKER_11]: There's a spiritual connection between those two men.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he might be fetishizing something, but he was also like old enough to know about Pearl Harbor.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you'd think that he would be like, fuck the Japanese.
[SPEAKER_11]: I think he thinks the Japanese had it right.
[SPEAKER_11]: That's my opinion.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I think that just seems like he would be a little bit more sensitive to.
[SPEAKER_11]: No, he's a, you know, with him, he is a, he's a right-wing libertarian type guy.
[SPEAKER_11]: He, like, he, that's sort of his,
[SPEAKER_11]: thing and he's an old curmudgeonly guy and he's eccentric but like what I love is phase in the middle there just being like I hate that I didn't get dawn to fill out this thing so she goes into his office as he's about to leave.
[SPEAKER_11]: And then they have a whole conversation about the fact that he didn't fill out the thing.
[SPEAKER_11]: And she says, you know, don't worry, you'll be married again in a year.
[SPEAKER_11]: And he seems like really off-put and he's just, she's like, oh, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_11]: I know that people don't like to be a type.
[SPEAKER_11]: And it's interesting here because
[SPEAKER_11]: For Don, Don has this amazing thing where he is like, usually the one who necks people in this case, like she is using the power of her psychology and and her being one of the most beautiful women who's ever lived and is using that to nag him and he of course is going to take that bait later on in the season.
[SPEAKER_06]: And of course, it's not going to work out because she is like his equal.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and because he has to be better than whoever.
[SPEAKER_06]: So he can manipulate them and she on him.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yes, he can't fight his programming of meeting someone who is dependent on him.
[SPEAKER_06]: also his servant kind of like exactly.
[SPEAKER_11]: So we jumped the gun.
[SPEAKER_06]: But let's wait wait.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm just realize something.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So she says like you'll be married in a year and then Glenn was like there'll be a baby in a year.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like he was.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's why I think that yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's that's what I met by like this episode seems to think that there are like types
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: Well, speaking of there's types in the world for you to sell products to we actually have to take a quick break to sell some products to you good listener to handsome cool guy.
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[SPEAKER_11]: And we're back this matter yourself a man here talking about season four episode two and we're doing with Emily Fleming how you doing Emily
[SPEAKER_11]: I'm great this is fun I'm having fun as well so we mentioned a Christmas party this episode there is a Christmas party but it didn't start out that way we first see Dawn with his Secretary Allison reading a letter from Sally to Santa and she's getting sad reading the letter because
[SPEAKER_11]: It does seem like Allison and Dawn have some possible sexual tension, but we don't know yet.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think so at all.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is the most like, you know, a girl Maggie type girl, like she's kind of like a sweet looking girl.
[SPEAKER_06]: Also, she looks very young.
[SPEAKER_06]: As the time moves on at in Madman,
[SPEAKER_06]: the him praying on like these girls gets creepier and creepier.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, he gets older and they stay the same.
[SPEAKER_06]: And they say the same age.
[SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like creepier and creepier and but I do think that, you know, she cries about what and that letter is so sweet for that and it's also like this is before the absolute like
[SPEAKER_06]: like bitterness and savage Sally comes out that it's just a savage salty bitch like this is a it's a little bit of a parasolial relationship almost that don't answer the secretary where it's a sheep.
[SPEAKER_09]: She gets this false sense of intimacy from being able to read letters from his kids and do all his shopping.
[SPEAKER_09]: She is as close to him as a person could possibly be, even though she still knows nothing about him and cannot fathom what actually drives him.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and maybe that her getting a little teary-eyed about him not seeing his daughter like he kind of liked that a little bit.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I think he likes to sensitivity, but I also think that it's, he's doing a little bit of manipulation because like, oh, isn't that sweet?
[SPEAKER_11]: Anyways, I need you to buy all these presents.
[SPEAKER_06]: But also the fact that he wanted her to read it aloud so that you could see how much his, like, children adore him.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yes, a hundred percent they're like having her read the letter out loud and then right after that They're talking about this Christmas party and she wants to bring a date and he says no And he says no because the party is supposed to be like low-key because they don't have the money But there's a part of me that's like oh, I know you're game-dondraper.
[SPEAKER_11]: You're like, no, don't bring a dude.
[SPEAKER_11]: Just come on your own
[SPEAKER_06]: like we don't want the we want the girls by themselves.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_06]: We want saying are the party.
[SPEAKER_06]: We won't pay for the snacks in the way.
[SPEAKER_06]: We don't have it.
[SPEAKER_11]: We don't have a horror budget.
[SPEAKER_11]: So yeah, you're all gonna come out of this man.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_09]: Meanwhile, Freddie Rumsen is back and he shows up, uh, we can I would can we say that he's such a good actor like I like him didn't really is like how much he could do which Murray is he Fred or something.
[SPEAKER_08]: He's one of the Murray's he's not a Brian Doyle.
[SPEAKER_08]: He's the one.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think I know him from Dharma and Greg.
[SPEAKER_06]: He was like the friends, like he was one of the friends of Dharma and Greg.
[SPEAKER_11]: Well, he's Bill Murray's brother and obviously Brian Doyle.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: He looks not like him.
[SPEAKER_09]: Joel Murray.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: You can identify a Murray brother by their their voice because they have like that Chicago quack that like you can hear from three blocks away.
[SPEAKER_06]: Chicago quack.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's so funny.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_11]: But he comes in in the office.
[SPEAKER_11]: We haven't seen him since he pissed himself and got fired.
[SPEAKER_11]: God, that was so sad.
[SPEAKER_11]: And yeah, it's really sad.
[SPEAKER_11]: And now he's left whatever firm he was working at.
[SPEAKER_11]: And he's got Ponds cold cream, which he was able to take with him because he's in a fraternity with that client.
[SPEAKER_11]: it's AA as we learned.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that was what it was.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: He's a buddy from AA who basically, I guess, runs the advertising budget over a call.
[SPEAKER_06]: Does that happen?
[SPEAKER_06]: Is there like, you know, business, is there business being done?
[SPEAKER_06]: Business being done in like, and AA or AA?
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I mean, like, people meet each other and whatnot.
[SPEAKER_11]: But I do think that this feels like a very New York thing.
[SPEAKER_11]: Like, you know, it's like,
[SPEAKER_11]: He's going to fucking AA meetings on Madison Avenue.
[SPEAKER_11]: He's going to meet other guys who are fucking yeah, I'm like should I go to AA just for networking?
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, a lot of many have tried most of failed.
[SPEAKER_11]: But it is a good place to meet people in general and in this case, he's able to bring this one, you know, meager clients too.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think it's meager.
[SPEAKER_06]: They seem very important.
[SPEAKER_11]: I mean, it's like 2 million bucks or something, which is a lot, you know, in 1964.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, and at this point, most of their money coming in is because they're the advertiser's behind Lucky Strike.
[SPEAKER_11]: So, and that enters into it in a moment.
[SPEAKER_11]: But first, we see Peggy and Frank O'Freddy, excuse me, together.
[SPEAKER_11]: And Peggy immediately puts together that Freddy's sober now because he's like, he's saying, I don't want to drink.
[SPEAKER_11]: And everyone is, I think, pretty aware that he is in recovery, except for maybe like Pete.
[SPEAKER_11]: who is, you know, a lot.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know, Pete's definitely, oh yeah, he tries to like bring it up, but Don is like pouring a drink.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, right.
[SPEAKER_06]: But he's like, this is the guy who pissed his pants because he was drinking.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, back then they didn't care.
[SPEAKER_11]: They were like, oh, you were just, you know, you probably just sad that day.
[SPEAKER_06]: He probably thought that maybe that would kind of smooth things over and be like, it's no big deal, like.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_11]: like everybody, you know, he was trying to be not embarrassed about being a drinker, like, yes, and him saying that, you know, him, you know, not taking the drink is probably more embarrassing to dawn.
[SPEAKER_11]: He's just probably like, oh, yeah, you've changed your life.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, maybe because Don is like drinking very heavily since like his divorce and maybe he thought oh this guy's a bigger drunk than me And now I won't look like I have a problem.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, there's a lot of there's the there's the the moment where Roger knows that Freddy's dry and he tells Don Yeah, it's a little early for that isn't it right like a very funny
[SPEAKER_11]: Don thinks it's a funny joke, it is it is great.
[SPEAKER_11]: Um, but yeah, the, uh, the Freddy and, um, what do you call it, uh, Peggy, Peggy story is really interesting because Peggy was the one person when Freddy was being fired who was like, guys, this is like, was telling Pete, like, why are you making a big deal out of this?
[SPEAKER_11]: He's already embarrassed.
[SPEAKER_11]: He's probably not going to do it again, but Pete is so disgusted by the idea of like weakness, uh,
[SPEAKER_11]: that he is like no he has to go what if he pisses in front of a client I mean I kind of agree with Pete here to be honest like Pete ended up kind of being I would say in terms of office culture the the normal one because yes yeah in most offices I if you continually come in drunk and pissing yourself you will get fired
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but also he wouldn't have probably turned his life around and like, you know, that's true.
[SPEAKER_06]: But the other thing is like, um, which keeps coming up like in reality, like stories I hear about people who do get sober that when you get sober, it does not fix you.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're not like, you're not a good person, the benefit you're sober.
[SPEAKER_06]: And he's like a worse person now because it was.
[SPEAKER_11]: Because he doesn't have the excuse of like, oh, he's drunk and just kind of like, you know, uh, falling in jolly little drunk guys.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah, he's not he's not you can't be like, oh, he's just saying all this misogynistic shit because he's just a drunk instead.
[SPEAKER_11]: It's like he's a sober guy being like, oh, all girls are sad until they get married
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and it's like, and blue balls is real.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, very fucking painful.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, I love that.
[SPEAKER_11]: That's the funniest, like, when?
[SPEAKER_11]: Well, he also says, don't fuck him.
[SPEAKER_09]: He won't respect you, but also the blue balls is the worst thing that you can do.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, this is that, like, come on, man.
[SPEAKER_09]: Pick a way.
[SPEAKER_09]: This is the scene here.
[SPEAKER_02]: My two sons.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're gonna marry him, you can't do anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very well, respect him.
[SPEAKER_06]: What if I don't know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you can't lead him on, that is physically very uncomfortable, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a joke.
[SPEAKER_11]: It's not a joke.
[SPEAKER_11]: He's like, no, people died from blue balls.
[SPEAKER_11]: But he says that in a scene in which like, there's apologies going around because in an earlier scene, there's this big fight between Peggy and Freddy.
[SPEAKER_11]: So,
[SPEAKER_11]: Ponscoled cream is something that Freddy is brought in.
[SPEAKER_11]: He already knows the client.
[SPEAKER_11]: He knows exactly what they want and Freddy is just telling Peggy.
[SPEAKER_11]: All we have to do is make copy of, you know, we'll get an old, you know, like an old Broadway type.
[SPEAKER_11]: A grand-dame.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, a grand-dame, a grand-dame, putting it on and Peggy's like, you know, young people don't like take
[SPEAKER_11]: make a bit of ice from old people and Freddy is just like, oh, whatever you say, Tuts on conks, squeezes their titty and stuff like he's he is very old fashioned and they finally kind of have it out in this scene that it ends with Freddy's feelings getting hurt and I was like while he's smackin' on a sandwich.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, he's eating.
[SPEAKER_11]: He's sadly eating a sandwich and he
[SPEAKER_11]: I love it, here's that scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: If young girls started using it, maybe they'd find a husband and they wouldn't be so angry.
[SPEAKER_03]: If we were to go another way, that's not a bad idea.
[SPEAKER_10]: Indulging yourself, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you use ponds, you'll get married.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or we could go the other way.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't use it, then you'll never get married.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's your better?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: Just write them down.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, I'm not writing that down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, if I hit a nerve, they're precious.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, my god.
[SPEAKER_06]: I hit a nerve, they're precious.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's so brutal.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, it's an interesting fight scene, because Peggy, I think, is feeling...
[SPEAKER_11]: resentful of the fact that you know she says look I try to get you your job back here at least on a freelance basis a bunch and now you've come back in and you're so old fashioned that you are just respecting respecting me you understand that I'm like higher on the food chain like on the org chart than you so why is it that you're treating me like this especially since I went to bat for you and Freddy
[SPEAKER_11]: you know to be fair I don't think he has any idea he's saying anything that anyone would find offensive.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well of course he doesn't but also he just thinks this is just the way it is and what this client wants and I'm not like trying to hurt your feelings.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is just the way it is and like we were saying the the type thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's like this is the client old ladies use ponds.
[SPEAKER_06]: We don't need to try to make it something it's not just sell it to old
[SPEAKER_06]: and she, he's like not even saying he wants to get it to younger demographic.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, just like just do the thing and sell it to old ladies.
[SPEAKER_11]: Um, yeah, there's only advice for like how they could get a younger demographic.
[SPEAKER_11]: It's threatened them with being a spinster.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, tell them if they would have, they don't wear it, they'll die alone.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but probably all these old ladies are dying alone because there has been his divers.
[SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's like, let's sell it to these old women who are now widows, what's worse?
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_09]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_09]: Thanks for audience is the actual audience for the ad where it's Freddie knows that the audience for the ad is the client because they're going to make the decision right in the end.
[SPEAKER_09]: So it's like, you're not actually trying to sell this to young women.
[SPEAKER_09]: You're trying to sell this to some idiot clients idea of what a young woman is.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that's definitely how a lot of like, when you're a writer for something sometimes happens where it's like, you can't be too precious about your Pitches and writing because, but then if you get complacent and just don't fight, then you're going to get replaced by somebody who's able to kind of do both Right, who's able to travel
[SPEAKER_06]: But doing both will make you insane.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like so it's like you got to fight for the thing you believe in or well that's how I work or just like be like this is not a battle.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna pick my battles kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but I'm the one who stresses myself out and I'm like no, this is the right way to do it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like I'm a fucking yes.
[SPEAKER_11]: And I think that's, you know, I think the difference between someone who has a vision for something and someone who doesn't.
[SPEAKER_11]: And, you know, I think that Freddy is in this like a little bit of the older school, you know, advertising model where he's just like,
[SPEAKER_11]: It's the same shit all the time.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, that's exactly what's happening now.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like oh, yeah, there's there's and that's why, you know, everything's failing That's why everything sucks Yeah everything became military industrial complex movies.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, right exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then they're like, why is it this working anymore?
[SPEAKER_11]: We need more superhero movies about how the army is cool.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, but yeah, so Freddie and her have that little makeup scene and so Peggy is feeling this way also because she is with a guy who I think if we're being This is like a fucking fish.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so gross.
[SPEAKER_11]: She's with you know, I hate to reduce everyone to a type But a beta male and I don't even think he's a beta male.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that's whatever the lowest slime balls
[SPEAKER_06]: And I like short men, you know that, but this guy is such a little dweeb who feels so entitled.
[SPEAKER_11]: So he's begging for sex.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think he kisses her like the worst kiss I've ever seen and goes, I'm going to let you think about that.
[SPEAKER_06]: And her face is like, God, like, yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the worst.
[SPEAKER_11]: He is 100% someone that you start dating because winter has arrived.
[SPEAKER_11]: And you're like, I don't want to be cold.
[SPEAKER_06]: pretty much a warm body because you're like, I'm the catch here.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then they start thinking because they're dating you that they must be special.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Then it just, it, it's the worst.
[SPEAKER_11]: And him begging for sex and this is so funny because he's just like, oh, when are you going to do something?
[SPEAKER_11]: You were not doing anything that it couldn't do myself, which is like such a funny way of talking about a hand job.
[SPEAKER_11]: Because it's like you know you're opening yourself up to her being like, okay, then go do it yourself and closing the door Honestly, it's a brave just rather have sex than give a hand job.
[SPEAKER_11]: I hate who's given hand jobs I don't know it.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like in fashion I've never I know that there's no way I can learn how to do it better than how a man's doing Of course, why am I fucking doing this?
[SPEAKER_06]: I make me do it.
[SPEAKER_11]: That's how I feel about you and pussy too.
[SPEAKER_11]: It's why I do not do it
[SPEAKER_06]: We can't eat our own.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, but another woman could and they would know where it is.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't think that's true because I can't find the clip.
[SPEAKER_08]: The little man is so lie.
[SPEAKER_06]: Not everybody.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I do.
[SPEAKER_06]: All of my friends have those nice like toys and stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just still mash a blanket in there.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_11]: You stop a blanket.
[SPEAKER_11]: inside your pussy.
[SPEAKER_06]: Just hop a blanket.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, that makes way more sense than what I was pictured.
[SPEAKER_06]: Just mash that blanket baby.
[SPEAKER_11]: I thought it was just a little stuffing a blanket.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I don't know how anyone's going to be able to do that with their mouth.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_12]: Stuffing like a musket.
[SPEAKER_09]: Um, yeah, I get the rod to really ram it in this right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_11]: Bad the rod.
[SPEAKER_11]: So anyways.
[SPEAKER_11]: Uh, so that's puns cold cream.
[SPEAKER_11]: But now we've got Lee garnered junior in, in, in play.
[SPEAKER_11]: Uh, Roger finds out that Lee is there.
[SPEAKER_11]: Lee is the,
[SPEAKER_11]: person who runs with his father runs lucky strike and he says, I'm in town.
[SPEAKER_11]: You've got any people from me to live screwing and he's like, he's got any closeted gaze.
[SPEAKER_11]: I mean, names for me.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I love dick.
[SPEAKER_11]: I mean, Clitz.
[SPEAKER_11]: And he is that true?
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, he's the reason that Sal got fired remember the gay art director.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yes, I remember Sal he like came on to Sal and Sal turned him down and then he'd demand that he get fired and they did They fired him
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's why he was kind of bullying.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sterling probably because he's into him.
[SPEAKER_09]: And he was like, Don watching Roger get bullied by this guy.
[SPEAKER_09]: And I feel like because because Roger allowed himself.
[SPEAKER_09]: to get bullied into playing Santa, like Don sort of respected him more, where like Don, and that situation, like if that guy had wanted Roger to suck his dick, I think Don would have been like, I guess you got to do it.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, she guess you got to do it.
[SPEAKER_11]: That's why he was mad at Sal, like he was, he like one of the reasons he went Sal is getting fired, because not only did he have to get fired, because this is like 70% of their business, like without a strike, they literally fold.
[SPEAKER_06]: God, I get so tired of hearing about Lucky Strike in this event.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank God.
[SPEAKER_11]: It's almost over.
[SPEAKER_11]: Thank God.
[SPEAKER_11]: But yeah, he's mad because Sal is like, he's like, you know, depends what kind of guy you are.
[SPEAKER_11]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_11]: Like, Sal is like, you know, what if I was a girl and he did that to me?
[SPEAKER_11]: And he and Dawn says it depends what kind of girl you were.
[SPEAKER_11]: Basically saying, like, yo, if you put out, put out for our number one client,
[SPEAKER_11]: does in this episode.
[SPEAKER_11]: So they decide they have to throw a real Christmas party.
[SPEAKER_11]: Joan comes in and in the clutch.
[SPEAKER_11]: She's the fucking best employee that this company is ever happy.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's so amazing and awful at the same time.
[SPEAKER_11]: Like, I mean, she's good at her job, which is like, hey, last minute, this has to be a real Christmas party.
[SPEAKER_11]: And immediately, she's like, you got it, puts together a dope ass party.
[SPEAKER_06]: And where's the red dress with the bow on the back like that's so that's the thing the scene that I keep seeing on Instagram I saw that scene recently and was like, oh, that dress and the chemistry between Roger and Joan is just so amazing and you're like, God They should just be in love with each other and get married.
[SPEAKER_06]: Why the fuck are they together?
[SPEAKER_06]: They're like the only couple that I could see it working out in this whole fucking show and then they never actually marry each other.
[SPEAKER_06]: It makes me so upset.
[SPEAKER_06]: But um, and then she's just in this little apartment with this piece of shit, limp dick.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like rapists.
[SPEAKER_06]: Military guys of rapists who's such an asshole.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: and then her mother, ah, I hate her mother and but so but the way that she is to she's so intimidating to the other women in the office.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's what's so scary because I know girls like Joan, I've worked in retail where that's the manager who just you're never doing quite something quite right.
[SPEAKER_06]: You can't tell what like the zig and the zag of how things work because
[SPEAKER_06]: One minute, she's like, you know, you have to be this way.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the other minute, she's like, you should have known to pivot and lie.
[SPEAKER_11]: I think that's the other way.
[SPEAKER_11]: What's interesting is that Joan though, like, is that way?
[SPEAKER_11]: And at first, you think, oh, she's such a, like, a jealous heart.
[SPEAKER_11]: As in fact, like, no, I don't think that.
[SPEAKER_11]: I just think she says something like that to her at one point, or maybe Jane does, or I don't know.
[SPEAKER_11]: But, uh, but then as the show goes on, you realize that like, what Joan is,
[SPEAKER_11]: Giving usually is is sage advice for what works for her and She doesn't work for everyone.
[SPEAKER_06]: It doesn't usually work.
[SPEAKER_09]: Even like the advice.
[SPEAKER_09]: We're saying.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, you know You got to get on Carson then you got to get invited back to the couch.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's like no, no, the world's a little different now I can do it also not everybody can be like
[SPEAKER_06]: a drop dead gorgeous like not everybody can be Joan so she's just like you have to look like this you have to use the way look to get where you go and it's like not everyone has to do that but it's just you know she's used to being the hottest woman in the room and the most powerful I love that she loves her like
[SPEAKER_06]: look like she wields it around like a weapon.
[SPEAKER_06]: I do love that and that she doesn't feel like and she never feels like an over-sexualized like thing but even though she is being over-sexualized but she seems to have like armament control.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, she has control.
[SPEAKER_06]: She knows how to wield it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but she kind of gives us good as she gets, which is really like making younger dudes like in the turning on her down the line and right, but yeah, and that pisses me off.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, every dude she dates is like, stop making other guys horny.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, everybody is jealous of her and like in awe of her at the same time, but yeah, she puts on an amazing party.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, she knows that, you know, she gets me and it's like, yeah, it's hard.
[SPEAKER_11]: She puts on a great party and you see them like frantically trying to make it good.
[SPEAKER_11]: By the way, this is the first episode where we see Megan.
[SPEAKER_11]: Megan will feature heavily coming up uh Wait, we saw Megan?
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, Megan.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, she says uh Megan, can you get some like plates or whatever and she's okay?
[SPEAKER_06]: I ever say Megan and then I didn't see oh Yeah, yeah, Megan's there.
[SPEAKER_11]: She says two lines and then walks off and Megan if I mean listen if you're someone who listens to the show and you're like I haven't seen it Then we'll do our best to not do spoilers, but Megan is a character you're gonna know
[SPEAKER_06]: You're going to love too.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I'm going to love her.
[SPEAKER_09]: She's also one of those actresses that I'm like, oh, like, that's a Canadian at 50 paces.
[SPEAKER_09]: Like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_09]: Like, she got, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_09]: There's some people that have that Canadian face.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, like Canadian for anology, bro.
[SPEAKER_11]: I can measure Canadian for anology.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a Christiana Hendrix, Canadian.
[SPEAKER_11]: No, no, she's got to be from, like, Long Beach.
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, that's my guess or Texas or something.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah Christina Hendrix, Tennessee Knoxville, Tennessee Oh, shit.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, fucking shit.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's a Tennessee bitch.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, oh, it's to Idaho and she was nine so Okay, but I still consider her Tennessee, but like that's so crazy.
[SPEAKER_06]: I didn't know that that everything makes sense It does that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_09]: This is like the only zodiac that's real
[SPEAKER_09]: She went to elementary school in Portland, Oregon, so I don't know how that fits in.
[SPEAKER_09]: But she kind of moved around a lot.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it must be like, maybe military parents.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, that's possible.
[SPEAKER_11]: But anyways, we see Megan for the first time.
[SPEAKER_06]: And she does have those Tennessee.
[SPEAKER_11]: She also.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, she did.
[SPEAKER_11]: You're great teeth.
[SPEAKER_11]: I love her.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love her.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're all fake, but I do have pointy vampire side teeth.
[SPEAKER_06]: And she kind of has that, too.
[SPEAKER_11]: It's very nice.
[SPEAKER_11]: So.
[SPEAKER_11]: The Christmas party happens, Lee is there shows up in a fur coat.
[SPEAKER_11]: People are doing the conga.
[SPEAKER_11]: People are making out and fucking a Santa suit is unfilled.
[SPEAKER_09]: And I like the conga line thing because it's like, we need to make it safe for white people to dance.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's just a... And Joan just starts it all out, she's in the front.
[SPEAKER_11]: And she knows how to be, you know, the, let's say she knows how to be the tippy top of the train, but she would also be the commos.
[SPEAKER_11]: Hi.
[SPEAKER_06]: I wonder if this advertising firm would have been as successful without.
[SPEAKER_06]: John B.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, no, no, no, she's like the thing where you walk in and you go, wow, like it in like this place is the face broad.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, beyond that she's also like just She's super smart.
[SPEAKER_11]: She's saved all of their asses so many times and this is included in that so totally the fucking Santa suit scene is so funny it is
[SPEAKER_11]: Crazy that we've already done this before Vince, but on the sopranos.
[SPEAKER_11]: This is all this is already a scene But here's that we're Matthew Weiner.
[SPEAKER_11]: Weiner learned this.
[SPEAKER_11]: I swear to God and you know like part of me wanted to be like, oh, I'll do already did that But it works great both times.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's that come on.
[SPEAKER_03]: You'll do great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Be serious.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm straight I'll do it
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd love to be Santa.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yes!
[SPEAKER_03]: Come on!
[SPEAKER_03]: Take three of you to fill that soup.
[SPEAKER_03]: Besides, everybody knows Santa's got a white hair.
[SPEAKER_03]: Put it on, Roger.
[SPEAKER_03]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Put it on.
[SPEAKER_02]: The boss here this family told you you're going to be Santa Claus.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're Santa Claus.
[SPEAKER_02]: So shut the fuck up, Baba.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's so fucking- You know what I think it's missing is the little kid, which is like my favorite.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Fuck you, Santa.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like I've never heard a fuck you said better in a- I- well the other thing is I'm surprised that he doesn't want women sitting on his lap.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the weird part too.
[SPEAKER_11]: Well, the the funniest part, brain speaking of that, is that like, at one point Lee is made him dress up like fucking Santa.
[SPEAKER_11]: He's going around passing out
[SPEAKER_11]: Lee is putting the moves on his wife and like he Roger is not saying a goddamn word and he pulls out a present and that present is a Polaroid camera and Lee seems honestly touched by it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know that was sweet.
[SPEAKER_09]: My favorite part of that is he pulls out this box that says Polaroid on it in giant letters and stupid ass lane is like, it's a polaroid.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, thanks a lot.
[SPEAKER_11]: Um, so, but yeah, pulls out the polaroid and he says, man, this brings me back to when I was a kid.
[SPEAKER_11]: You know, when you get, when you want something and you get it, and everyone's like, Oh, that's cute.
[SPEAKER_11]: Cut to the next scene.
[SPEAKER_11]: He believes using the polaroid to take pictures of employees sitting on Roger's lap.
[SPEAKER_11]: He's forcing pictures.
[SPEAKER_11]: And he's the one who's taking them.
[SPEAKER_11]: It's like he is such a fucking asshole.
[SPEAKER_11]: I almost respect the humiliation ritual.
[SPEAKER_11]: He loves to humiliate.
[SPEAKER_11]: It's just everything about his character is so funny.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: And yeah, fucking, you know, Don decides to leave this party early.
[SPEAKER_11]: He loses his keys, Allison brings the keys.
[SPEAKER_11]: They come over and they kiss and they fuck.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then they fuck, I'm so confused because they have all their clothes on.
[SPEAKER_11]: I think they fuck, they had a quickie on the couch.
[SPEAKER_11]: That's my guess.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, they fuck differently.
[SPEAKER_09]: I feel like getting the clothes off.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's like a key part of the key.
[SPEAKER_11]: To me, what I don't understand the point of sex with the clothes on.
[SPEAKER_11]: So like to me, if that is what is happening.
[SPEAKER_06]: It does account, I guess, if the clothes are all on.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not as serious.
[SPEAKER_09]: I almost feel like it is dawning to see each other naked.
[SPEAKER_09]: I feel like it's a key.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, that's my whole point is like I don't even want to put it in.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just want to I just want to see you That's what here's what I thought happened Is there just making out and he came through his pants like he never got the mock as he's so drunk because there's like
[SPEAKER_06]: There ain't no way that he's getting hard.
[SPEAKER_09]: But afterwards, she was like, well, that was nice.
[SPEAKER_09]: I don't think she would have been like, well, that was nice.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think she said, wow, like, that's all like she said.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I don't think that she said that was, I can't remember.
[SPEAKER_06]: But like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_11]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_11]: I think it's supposed to be implied.
[SPEAKER_11]: Because they split it up with a scene of Sally Draper.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, she also went to the bathroom.
[SPEAKER_09]: What you would imagine, she did, like, clean up.
[SPEAKER_09]: Wash all that hot.
[SPEAKER_11]: come ropes out of her yeah you really made it worse didn't you Vince but yeah so I think they're implying that they had sex and um she has to leave because she was supposed to hang out with this fucking guy that she brought to the party I think that's Joey I think is one of the like contractor copywriters or something or an art guy anyways
[SPEAKER_11]: In the next day, we see that Don comes back to work.
[SPEAKER_11]: He's hung over a shit and he brings Allison into the office and he gives her a bonus.
[SPEAKER_11]: And this is that scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really over-did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for bringing my keys.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have probably taken advantage of your kindness on too many occasions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Excuse me?
[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to say thank you for bringing my keys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the bonus we talked about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Merry Christmas.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_11]: So that is an interesting scene because I feel for Allison in that moment, but at the same time,
[SPEAKER_09]: earlier also like what was a bonus what was she I mean I feel bad for her because like she she feels this false sense of intimacy Right, and then Don when he is divorced so it's like maybe this could lead to being his girlfriend Yeah, like in that moment you think oh she's like oh, this is finally happening.
[SPEAKER_09]: I knew there was this like tension between us This is finally getting consummated
[SPEAKER_09]: Um, and then I don't know what she thought the bonus was going to be like the next day.
[SPEAKER_09]: He like the guy that doesn't even buy his own children Christmas presents is going to go out and buy her like the pony.
[SPEAKER_09]: She always wanted as a as a child like like that her Christmas bonus was going to be something some like heartfelt expression of him knowing exactly what she wanted Christmas bonuses always money.
[SPEAKER_11]: That's what a Christmas bonus is and she think it was going to be more maybe she did well.
[SPEAKER_06]: $50,000.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was $250,000.
[SPEAKER_11]: It was $250,000.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was $250,000.
[SPEAKER_11]: It was $250,000.
[SPEAKER_09]: It was $250,000.
[SPEAKER_11]: It was $200,000.
[SPEAKER_06]: And but yeah, it is really it's a it's a fucked up put 50 more on there for the for the fuck though I think I think no matter feel cheaper does that make your feel better.
[SPEAKER_11]: I think the money the money is the money You know for her she doesn't know whether or not she's getting a hundred or a hundred and fifty dollars I think the fact that she the next day received an envelope with money and a hey Thanks for bringing me my keys.
[SPEAKER_11]: I think it kind of like tore down her
[SPEAKER_11]: you know, image of herself is like maybe being, you know, put a heartfelt note in there.
[SPEAKER_11]: Well, he should have, well, the note was insane.
[SPEAKER_11]: The note was, thank you for all your hard work.
[SPEAKER_11]: Merry Christmas, Dawn, which is like, you know, I just pretended it never happened.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Which I feel like.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was expecting him to apologize and be like, listen, a little drunk last night, whatever.
[SPEAKER_11]: But I hope he was about to and then he like chickened out or something.
[SPEAKER_11]: No, he can't.
[SPEAKER_11]: Well, first of all, he's hung over.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's an admission.
[SPEAKER_09]: A boy factor is that he's hung over.
[SPEAKER_09]: He does not have the articulate.
[SPEAKER_09]: It doesn't have all his faculties.
[SPEAKER_11]: You gotta draw your mind a curve.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, I mean, it's he doesn't do it and said he basically hurts her feelings and she is it's like he also knew I mean you could tell from his body language between when he comes and giving her her Christmas bonus he knows that he's walking into a buzz saw almost no matter what I mean there's
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, better things he could have done, but at the end of the day, he still, unless he proposes marriage, he's walking into this only thing he could have done to make the situation better was to not get into it in the first place, which is something that he will never learn and that's what makes him so hot.
[SPEAKER_06]: of some sabotage or number one, but and it eventually catches up with them, but you know, yes, yes it does, but this is leading up to the thing where he tries to get like become a better person right like he cuts back on the drinking and starts swimming.
[SPEAKER_11]: Eventually, he goes through multiple phases from what I remember on previous rewatches of the show.
[SPEAKER_11]: He goes through multiple phases of getting it together.
[SPEAKER_11]: Self-improvement and self-destruction, and they are all equally awesome.
[SPEAKER_11]: But that is the episode real quick though at the end.
[SPEAKER_11]: I was gonna ask this.
[SPEAKER_11]: Is there anything we didn't talk about that you want to talk about?
[SPEAKER_06]: At the very end, I think it looks like he's going to bring the presence to the kids.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, so he is going to be there on Christmas, morning.
[SPEAKER_11]: or he's going to be there just to drop the presence off.
[SPEAKER_11]: I don't know if he's, I think he's still not going to be there in Christmas.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I think that, I think it looked like he was going to, like, it remember her, like his secretary crying at the little letter and he's like, I want you to be there to give them to me.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I feel like if he wasn't going to give them to them, he would have had them delivered.
[SPEAKER_06]: He wouldn't have been gone.
[SPEAKER_11]: That's exactly right.
[SPEAKER_06]: The fact that he's carrying them, it means he's going to see them.
[SPEAKER_08]: Right, so that's what I have.
[SPEAKER_08]: I think they're going to have a dad Christmas on boxing day.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and making a love that or Canadian S events anything we missed a couple things.
[SPEAKER_09]: Couple things Jesus Christ just two quick things.
[SPEAKER_09]: I like Don's neighbor the nurse where she's cleaning them up at the end of the night and he's like, oh, you're being so nice to me.
[SPEAKER_09]: She's like, yeah, my dad was a drunk.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know that was really funny that actress I was looking up stuff about her because she was in brick I don't know if you saw the movie brick.
[SPEAKER_11]: I saw it at one point.
[SPEAKER_06]: That was one of my favorite favorite movies and she's in that she is so freaking up
[SPEAKER_06]: talking that he's there, but then she hasn't really been in much else.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was like, I remember the kind of indie scene like you know, she was in a lot of stuff and then Johnson.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I was already looking up her like a few nights ago and then this was an episode with her in it.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, there she is.
[SPEAKER_11]: There she is.
[SPEAKER_11]: She's very, she's very attractive.
[SPEAKER_11]: I like her a lot.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: That wig is horrible.
[SPEAKER_09]: That line works on a couple levels.
[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, it also fits into my unfortunate read about that they're being types and this, you know, like he, she's seeing him as a type, which a daddy, but it's, it's a funny line just because of what a diss it is to dawn in that moment where she's like, yeah, I also had a dad who was a piece of shit.
[SPEAKER_09]: So,
[SPEAKER_09]: So I recognize a terrible absent father when I see when the other scene that I liked that we didn't talk about is when Roger is in the sand a suit and Harry has to sit on his lap and Harry is such a loser and So self-deprecating where he's like, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm sorry because he doesn't want to sit as fat ass on Roger's lap for
[SPEAKER_09]: all the reasons, you know, because he's self-conscious about his weight and because Roger is like the boss that you don't touch.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I think I contacted him.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I mean, knows what this is.
[SPEAKER_11]: He's like, I know that Lee Garner dreamers doing this to humiliate you.
[SPEAKER_11]: He's also forcing me to do this.
[SPEAKER_11]: If I don't do this, we'll get in trouble and I'm so sorry.
[SPEAKER_11]: Please don't punch me when he leaves.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it was a nice refreshing change from all the women getting sexually harassed.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know it is kind of nice.
[SPEAKER_11]: I almost feel like he's uh, there's like some revolutionary about what Leek Arnold Jr's doing here.
[SPEAKER_11]: and God bless them for it.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, so that's the episode.
[SPEAKER_11]: If I had to give it a letter grade and I do, it's the law.
[SPEAKER_11]: You know what, guys?
[SPEAKER_11]: This is probably one of my favorite episodes of TV I've ever seen better than a movie, better than theater.
[SPEAKER_11]: I'm giving it a B plus.
[SPEAKER_11]: Vance, what do you give better?
[SPEAKER_11]: If you had to give it a little bit.
[SPEAKER_09]: Wow, you make a really good case.
[SPEAKER_09]: And I'm gonna have to go with you, and I've to agree with you, and give this a solid B plus.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh my God, that's such a surprise.
[SPEAKER_11]: Me too, it's such a B plus.
[SPEAKER_11]: Are you giving it a B plus?
[SPEAKER_11]: How does it look like?
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh my god guys, we're at B plus B plus B plus triple B plus triple B plus triple B plus it's a B plus It's a B plus episode of madman and it isn't a triple B and it is an A just for me It's an A plus plus plus plus plus plus episode of mad yourself a man Emily Fleming.
[SPEAKER_11]: Thank you so much for coming on the podcast Thank you for having me of course.
[SPEAKER_11]: We're gonna be able to find you
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I'm on Instagram at mfl-e-m-l-e-m-i-l-y, and on free with ads that I guess that Matt Lee, myself, Jordan Morris, have, and we talk about movies that you can watch for free on the internet, and on like, to be, and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's wherever you get your podcasts.
[SPEAKER_11]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_11]: Wherever you wherever you get your podcasts, you can listen to it.
[SPEAKER_11]: There will be a link in the bio.
[SPEAKER_11]: I love this doing the show with you.
[SPEAKER_11]: I love producing.
[SPEAKER_11]: I love being.
[SPEAKER_11]: I love playing little clipies that people.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I love you too.
[SPEAKER_11]: I love you too.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_11]: You were fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_11]: And Vince, you have your naming cap on.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, I have my naming turban, which is very problematic.
[SPEAKER_11]: I love you like every every week you should have a different problem at a kid dress I think she's a native American one a Fez Okay, I think I'm allowed to wear a Fez Are you just oh my people come from the Ottoman Empire that's right and your people were We're killed somebody the the Turkish so that tried to kill it They tried to get us all they did wrong that we were gonna live in Glendale
[SPEAKER_11]: We came back stronger in with Harry a fool and now we sell cars.
[SPEAKER_11]: Okay First is Hugo from Australia Hey, Huggies Hugo.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's weird because Hugo's already such like an Australian.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, it was nicknames.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, they put oh with an
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, a rojo.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah, it bend out.
[SPEAKER_11]: I couldn't find like a first or last name and the email dressed didn't make sense.
[SPEAKER_11]: I was just like, it's just Hugo.
[SPEAKER_11]: So I was like, well, he's paying in Australian monies.
[SPEAKER_11]: So I'm calling him Hugo from Australia.
[SPEAKER_11]: But what would you call him?
[SPEAKER_07]: We're gonna call this God diaper.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, he's... Huggies.
[SPEAKER_11]: Get it, yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: This guy's got it.
[SPEAKER_11]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_11]: That's very good.
[SPEAKER_11]: Next, all right, this is...
[SPEAKER_11]: This is a combination of me seeing a name in an email address, and this is the user name.
[SPEAKER_11]: username, YNKKEN, and our low is a name that I saw in the email.
[SPEAKER_11]: So, give this person an nickname.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, what a nickname is so much material.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yin can, Yin can our low.
[SPEAKER_09]: Give him a nickname.
[SPEAKER_09]: Are you a yin can or a yin can't that's the question We're gonna call this guy Yen can cook Is my favorite cooking show with Martin and Yen uses his cleaver for everything That was a great guy to watch on TV and the end can cook any can cook.
[SPEAKER_11]: That's all thanks.
[SPEAKER_11]: All right two more names Lucas Ryan
[SPEAKER_09]: Hey, we call this guy doubles because he's got two first names.
[SPEAKER_11]: Ooh, what's up doubles?
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[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, that happens, it must be a full moon.
[SPEAKER_11]: Must be, speaking of titties.
[SPEAKER_11]: We have a woman!
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, sorry!
[SPEAKER_10]: We're the word normal.
[SPEAKER_10]: Celeste Ellis.
[SPEAKER_10]: Celeste Ellis, we call it Lusty.
[SPEAKER_10]: Ooh, Lusty, Celeste Ellis, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_10]: I have you a listen, if you're... We call it the Lusty lady, the first... People show the union eyes.
[SPEAKER_08]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_08]: United States.
[SPEAKER_08]: Is that true?
[SPEAKER_08]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I love that.
[SPEAKER_11]: Well, shout out to all of the locals, local workers over at the LSD lady and shout out to close to down.
[SPEAKER_11]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_11]: That sucks.
[SPEAKER_11]: They sent the picker tins in.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, patreon.com, there's fracass fracass at gmail.com for all your questions, comments and concerns Vince, what it is, a Google voice number.
[SPEAKER_09]: RIP, lusty lady, four one five two seven five zero zero three zero.
[SPEAKER_11]: All right, everyone, thanks again so much for listening and until next time, I don't think about you at all.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Don't hesitate with the same hand.
[SPEAKER_13]: His kids miss him and Freddy.
[SPEAKER_13]: Brumson, don't drink no more.
[SPEAKER_13]: And divorce to surround Christmas All while Henry sleeps with my wife Doctor's Day blesses me, sir May I go lie?
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