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[SPEAKER_05]: Ladies and gentlemen, Matt Fraction.
[SPEAKER_05]: Why?
[SPEAKER_05]: So good.
[SPEAKER_05]: So good to see you.
[SPEAKER_05]: So excited to have you here.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I just kind of set it up a little bit more of the big thing You got going on right now.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're one of the big things.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to speak for you.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's got a Character people may have heard of over a DC Comics Batman No.
[SPEAKER_05]: 6.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just hit on February 4 little bit of spoiler for the ending here though We know that March 4th Is that your is that your writing mask mat?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, I'm a method writer now.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, in March 4th, that number seven is fully bringing on your version of the Joker.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're going to need one more page fold out.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a fold out.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, holy shit.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, it's my favorite thing or his drawing until the next thing where he draws, which is amazing.
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, there's a special
[SPEAKER_06]: You get to go inside Joker's brain and see what it looks like in there for four oh my god.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well let's I was going to ask you generally about that but just because we're talking about this like everybody has kind of their own take of their Joker their own unique thought process on them.
[SPEAKER_05]: We got to see at the end of the last issue he's kind of at his balk to tank.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's shaved.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's got some cords coming out of his head.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's clearly some experiments going on.
[SPEAKER_05]: So obviously there's a plot stuff to come, but like when you were approaching the Joker given that there are so many different takes, what was your thought process there when you were starting to break him down in a pro-chip?
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean it might be obvious, I guess, but that's never stopped me before.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like how do you do, I mean it's kind of the challenge I think of any bad stuff is like, how do you do any of it any different?
[SPEAKER_06]: And part of it was just what would be novel and different and what what could I do that I felt like I didn't really have like like I made never really seen it before and that was interesting to me and and and you know what what can you What how how much of what can you take away from Joker to keep him still The Joker right like how
[SPEAKER_06]: And so we could take it away quite a lot as we'll be seeing in an issue seven.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was a chance to do a joke or that I didn't have answers to and I didn't have, it would be like this, it would be like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: But also a chance then with that kind of complication means, this relationship with Batman is really different too.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's interesting to me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, and then you know,
[SPEAKER_06]: You're not going to write some of I'm not going to write some of the my favorite best comics of all time, so like I just want to do something different that that excites me as a writer and a little bit of translates, you know.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean it sort of feels like that's how from reading some of the interviews you've done before about that.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's kind of how you approach Batman as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: You didn't exactly have like the take that I've died to do on Batman, but once it came up, you had a take.
[SPEAKER_05]: It feels like you're sort of bringing yourself to the edge and being like, hey, let me just sort of dare myself to jump and sort of see what happens.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, by the time I realized I needed to be afraid it was way too late.
[SPEAKER_06]: Which sounds a little naive, but it's true and yeah, I that was literally kind of how the conversation with DC began was do you have thoughts about Batman and then it turns out I did It wasn't anything that I it wasn't it wasn't just simmering there cooking.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just sort of sat down and and I've got it I mean like the first comic I ever read right like I was down on your old and like
[SPEAKER_06]: It turns out I've got a lot of thoughts about that and I've been having a my entire life and now I fooled someone and paying me to have them So you say the point when you get afraid what point is that is that when you're Yeah, I'm sorry, are you off?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, I was going to just answer for you.
[SPEAKER_06]: So you should answer I didn't understand how big it was going to be Understand how many eyes were going to be on it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I didn't understand what
[SPEAKER_06]: I had written, but I thought was big stuff before.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right, but it was almost all at Marvel or whatever.
[SPEAKER_06]: And, or I've written some of the stuff that I've co-created.
[SPEAKER_06]: It images found purchased in the larger world.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's always unbreakable and remarkable and uniquely unique.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's only, I hadn't really, just even like the, there's,
[SPEAKER_06]: 30 to 40, or years a DC stuff, then there is Marvel stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Is an order of magnitude more, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: I had the number, when the book launched, I knew what the number was.
[SPEAKER_06]: But there's like something like the last 3000, like it's just 2000, and some consecutive likely.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's been, and the character has been, has, there've been stories about that mental, like every week since it started in 19th grade.
[SPEAKER_06]: multiple.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, yeah, so many.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so first of just that depth of history was was not intimidating, but also not something like like you can't crank through all that all of Batman in a weekend, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: But also, it was incredibly freeing because it felt like, oh, just the math is against you.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm up with the story.
[SPEAKER_06]: No one's ever had before, because there's probably been like 85 versions of this, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Just do the version I can do, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Which is the one thing I can guarantee, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the one thing I haven't paid, so like, I can do that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I will see if it works.
[SPEAKER_06]: But no, I just, I had no idea, I mean, it's magical, like, it's crazy, everybody knows Batman.
[SPEAKER_06]: everybody knows Batman, the little old ladies that I talk to after your thing home.
[SPEAKER_06]: What do you do?
[SPEAKER_06]: I write Batman.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_06]: Really?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like it just everyone, like it's that's different and you know Marvel had Ebs and Flows for sure, you know.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it is interesting that comparing taking something like Hawkeye and making it
[SPEAKER_04]: like you're like exploding a character and and that I feel like the Hawkeye I feel changed you're on a Hawkeye change comics we talk about the Hawkeyeification of comics after you did that run and this is like the opposite you're coming in and being like I have to make that man like just keep going you know and look it like it is freeing to feel like oh you're not gonna I'm not gonna outright some of my favorite comics just not gonna happen even if that were somehow
[SPEAKER_06]: quantitatively.
[SPEAKER_06]: The thing he one could prove with like a calculator or something like it's a little nothing I write.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not going to like any I don't like anything I write.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think anything I wrote is like that mean you're one or whatever, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like it's just it's just a permanent crease in my tablecloth, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: So all I got to do is put a meal on it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I find interesting
[SPEAKER_06]: and we've been super fortunate like our numbers are going up and like that like even DC is like even for Batman we were expecting this not to happen but like that's grown from kind of as as
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, Scott Snyder is like the class president of Barrett at DC and like the astonishing job he's done not just creatively with absolute, but just as like a tire or Advocate and enthusiasm for comics like as a high tide raising all ships or whatever it is, but Yeah, I'm lucky it turns out the thing that I wanted to see is the thing that people who turned out wanted to read it and and
[SPEAKER_06]: That is not always the case, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: So, you know, that was also the second thing I said D.C. was like the good news is this could be over in a year.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I would like, we'll know it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I think the thing I would say from my perspective, the thing that's really working and resonating about your run is, and I say this complimentary, it's like, they're just really good Batman stories.
[SPEAKER_05]: And like you're saying, everybody always comes in, and sometimes it works, it doesn't, sometimes it doesn't.
[SPEAKER_05]: But the people are like, this is my take.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is me, this is me coming forward, and it almost did a way, correct with my bra and maybe there is a lot of you in it, but it almost feels like you step back and are like,
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's concentrate on Bruce Wayne.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's concentrate on his supported cast.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's give him some cool gadgets and kind of see what happens.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, think, I think, I think, I mean, it's all me, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_06]: I remember I think I was, I don't know, four or five years into therapy of my therapist went, you know, in your dreams, all those people are you.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we got him.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right, but he had literally never occurred to me before, like, oh, wait.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, they're all me.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm certainly finding more, especially in the relationship with Amy and writing Bruce in any kind of parenting role of a teen.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, that's definitely moments where I'm, I didn't think I was, I'm enjoying writing the Robin's way more than I expected.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's very much because it's a chance to, like, okay, I see if this is, yeah, it's,
[SPEAKER_06]: It's very much a vibe, I think, but one of the first things I said to Jorge, when we met, was like, I kind of want to put him back in the blue and gray, and Jorge went, yes!
[SPEAKER_06]: There's like, you know, to me it's a two-hander, the two leads of the book are Batman and Bruce Wayne, and that's what I wanted to focus on, and the stuff that makes Batman's character, like the most elastic.
[SPEAKER_06]: re-inventible character in comics and like I think there's a certain there's like fundamentally awesome stuff about Batman like no I want I want gadgets I want that batcave I want that Batmobile you know and and stuff that that just like I think is you know it's it's it's it'd be weird if there's a James Bond movie doesn't have a cool car right now what and your the last issue especially is so
[SPEAKER_04]: that run, I don't know how to define it exactly, but just that run that they're on in the last issue, I thought, really felt like something fresh to me in Batman right now.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it's, you know, part of it is is setting challenges for myself.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it had been since Hawkeye that I had written like a car chase.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I would be like, am I better now?
[SPEAKER_06]: Could I, could I do a car chase as a really hard in comics, I think?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so a part of me wanted to set that challenge up of like, let's do something really hard, you know?
[SPEAKER_06]: And also knowing Jorge is just like a formula and racer that hasn't even gotten in top gear yet.
[SPEAKER_06]: like, like, and just knowing like Jorge is as great as he is.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's nowhere near.
[SPEAKER_06]: Even, no one has tapped into the kind of he's he's so tremendously talented and good and awesome.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, like, all right, he'll kill it.
[SPEAKER_06]: How do I do this?
[SPEAKER_06]: How do I do it now?
[SPEAKER_06]: What have I learned since then and all that kind of stuff?
[SPEAKER_06]: And like, let's see what happens.
[SPEAKER_06]: And let's also just, there's something fun and delicious of Bruce Wayne really needing to be Batman and not being able to be Batman in this moment.
[SPEAKER_06]: And let's see if we can get a cool story if it's a dude in the Tugs or a Tom Ford suit.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, trying to keep him to be alive.
[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely agree that the artist brings a swagger to Batman for sure that's it's nice and contributes to the vibe But I want to get back to what you said about the fold out that just kind of melts my mind a little bit Is that something because his art is so good that like DC talked to him about is that something that like when you were talking about like Getting inside Joker's head you were like when to be crazy if it kind of fold it out like you know, I mean how did this is it
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, yes, and I knew like the book did well.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like the book did like if there were high expectations, we we surpassed them and then it continued to surpass them.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I knew we had a little bit of credit.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it helped like...
[SPEAKER_06]: If I'm going to ask a favor right now is a good tone like if I'm going through some some some some credit this would be cool it's I'm not really thinking about it in arcs but I knew one through six was going to be the first arc so issue seven would be the start of a new arc I knew six within and with the real real and it felt like oh so for doing a joke or issue this might be something special this might be an opportunity to do something really cool and it kind of
[SPEAKER_06]: hitched the idea and wrote it modularly, wrote it like, this doesn't have to happen.
[SPEAKER_06]: But like, and I did drawings.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, here's how it would work.
[SPEAKER_06]: And here's where it should have.
[SPEAKER_06]: Here it would, you know, because I'd done a full-out with Christian Ward on Odyssey, so it kind of been through the production, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's a little before.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I just felt like if we're gonna ask for a favor.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, let's do something that makes Jorge, like,
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's see something hard he's never done before.
[SPEAKER_06]: Isn't that, like, let's take the most talented, ascendant superstar in comics and do something new that's startling and interesting, I hope.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's a way to visually get through a lot of story, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: It didn't have to be a fold out.
[SPEAKER_06]: The fold out is great.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a statement, statement piece.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's very much in wanting to write a thing for Jorge that's like,
[SPEAKER_06]: Dude, I love you.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love your work.
[SPEAKER_06]: I want it's like, I come to the book as a huge fan of Jorge.
[SPEAKER_06]: And every month, the challenge is right, the ultimate Jorge comic.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what,
[SPEAKER_06]: So much so I have taken my foot off the gas on a few different occasions once because I wanted to once because I needed to and now once because like oh I we had a DC editorial retreat and everybody was talking about things that were going to happen in March and I realized I was talking about March 2027.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I'm going to shut the fuck up, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_06]: So what it was was far enough ahead.
[SPEAKER_06]: that I could ask, like, hey, there's plenty of time.
[SPEAKER_06]: The issue doesn't go out tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_06]: We've got months, and it's going to require months.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're going to have to do research.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're going to have to call the printer.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're going to have to talk about paper.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're going to figure out what it does.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's going to change the weight, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: It's going to change the weight.
[SPEAKER_06]: Not inexpensive, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was asking them to spend money on the book, but also figured like, well, it probably doesn't weigh more than like some of the like chromium covers and stuff that they've done.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we can strike me as like, I'm not asking for 80 pages, whatever, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, the money's probably close.
[SPEAKER_06]: And like, like I said, I had done this fold out with Christian before.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I knew like, it's just,
[SPEAKER_06]: it's just another signature technically they just have to learn they just have to make sure they're bind like like it felt doable right I had I had month ask and it had to go up a flagpole and and be asked about and and then researched and all that work had to be done but I was luckily far enough ahead that we had the time to.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's that no, what are the industry to writers have to think about the weight of their books?
[SPEAKER_04]: Because you're like doing some real math, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: I also just might make things difficult for myself.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's let it go.
[SPEAKER_05]: I do, before I forget, I do want to bring up one other thing that's tangentially related.
[SPEAKER_05]: So every week on the show, we have a professional chef down in New Orleans named Brett Matt Chris.
[SPEAKER_05]: as a restaurant called Shift down there that's awesome.
[SPEAKER_05]: We should check out if we're going to ever down in Nilda.
[SPEAKER_05]: But he either creates or curates a cocktail for us.
[SPEAKER_05]: This week he made a mocktail in honor of you.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's called the bat is a fraction of his work really.
[SPEAKER_05]: And as white grape juice, lemon juice, butterfly, P-T, put, P-T is that what it is.
[SPEAKER_05]: Strawberry, Hibiscus syrup, sparkly water, or club sit-at, and bees-leaf.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that's amazing.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just took a screen cap of that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm, that's incredible.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_06]: What was the mixologist's name again?
[SPEAKER_05]: Brett McGriss, and he has a place called Shift down in Norlitz.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I'll leave that one to you.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll show it over here.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_06]: I literally right before I got on this call, did the lettering read through on Batman 8.
[SPEAKER_06]: And we visit what the kind of little New Orleans of Gotham is.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a specific neighborhood that is very kind of, uh, uh, uh, I had to take a line out about Chickery coffee because I thought it was a little too cute.
[SPEAKER_06]: But that's awesome.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a bit with a binyay place, binyay's in coffee, and one character complaining about the chickering in the coffee and the other one being like, it's binyay's in chickering.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not done.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is a straight-made joint.
[SPEAKER_06]: You don't get coffee that isn't chickering coffee.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is how we do it here.
[SPEAKER_06]: So whatever the little New Orleans neighborhood in Gotham is, you see an issue eight.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_06]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll shoot that over to you, but to get back to the book proper, I do want to get back to something you said earlier about the Robins, because I think you have had some really interesting takes on them specifically, and this is a spoiler for anybody who just want to know for the last issue, Tim Drake decides to take a Drake break, if you will.
[SPEAKER_05]: What led to that suspicion?
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, first off, I think we found what the solo title has to be called.
[SPEAKER_06]: I believe really deeply that I love that comics are a collaborative medium and I think that it's as collaborative between me and the artists that I work with that is between me and the teams that have come before me.
[SPEAKER_06]: So just as a reader and fan sort of taking where Tim has gone and what he has been through and where he's at and the sort of like unspoken thing where he's in the serious relationship with Bernard Bernard knows Robin and isn't telling him and isn't pushing him to tell him but it's a thing between them and he's had the shit be out of him so much and it just sort of felt like
[SPEAKER_06]: what I want to see Tim Drake have an experience.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't have page real estate for in-bap and I felt like he had earned it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I felt like it's certainly not an ending for the character but I felt like he had earned a happy sabbatical, and it was something about the scene of him having to go to batman and be like, I think I'm in love.
[SPEAKER_06]: And if that's not why we're doing this, why we're doing this?
[SPEAKER_06]: And Batman being like, oh my god, that's like a little bit of that response beat.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like that would just as a writer like, oh shit.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because that's as a reader where I feel like Tim is like, Tim's in a good place, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: And when this place where his night life is interfering with his personal life.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that needs a resolution and then needs a story to be told and dot-a-d-a-d-a-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-
[SPEAKER_06]: It just came from wanting that as a not just as a reader, but as a fan of Tim and really enjoying how that relationship with he and Bernard has been shown.
[SPEAKER_06]: And like getting to have a chance of Bernard sort of saying to Bruce, I know, and I know you know I know, but I want you to know I know, you know I know.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's not cool.
[SPEAKER_06]: because you're going to get my boyfriend killed and you like like oh shit that's great for that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Little kid to fucking back that skinny kid Bernard to stand up to Bruce Wayne and be like
[SPEAKER_06]: you're going to get the level my life killed is I was thrilled to write that, you know, it was like, oh, oh shit, that's you can't punch this problem, Bruce, what are you going to do?
[SPEAKER_06]: So so it came from loving Tim, honestly, and like, and and having thoughts and plans that you know that I would love to get to, but also recognizing that
[SPEAKER_06]: This moment in his life needs more space than I can give him in a Batman comic and not wanting to just pop it off somewhere else, but like when when when like I said I've I've got plans I've got a I got a thing I hope we get to do and when it happens it's going to happen not as a B plot or a C plot and you know and basically it just deserves more.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, part of it is just wanting to, I want to, I got a cool thing I want to do with him and this was kind of, first star was honoring what I thought it all kind of come before and queuing that up, giving him this moment of pause and respite so that when it's Tim time, again, when the Drake break ends and it's Tim time upon, and not just anything that happens off panel, you know.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, no, it was great.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was cool.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love my life, but like, no, let's do it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's do it as a story.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's make it real.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, one aspect of the title that I'm really loving is the amount of insane gadgets that you're giving Batman.
[SPEAKER_05]: Do those, maybe it's a mix, but like do those come out of the story as you're writing them, do you have a list of gadgets for Batman or how do you tackle that?
[SPEAKER_06]: It's interesting.
[SPEAKER_06]: You took about a year and I'm like, I got to remember the gadgets.
[SPEAKER_06]: because he's already used something that would get him out of this, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: So that was a fun thing of being like, it can't just be plot devices, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, all right.
[SPEAKER_06]: I've got my anti-ice spray, like, no, no, he's this thing before so we can do this and all that, and also like recognizing once he busts a thing out, I don't need to put the data caption in again.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because part of that, like, oh, cool, we know he's got these things, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: So, but yeah, it's definitely part of the kid.
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[SPEAKER_06]: One of the, like I said, I don't do things easily for myself ever, so I decided one thing would be different is what if there's no more first person narration captions from that and what if we're not in Batman's head anymore all the time.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, there's no thinking like, goodness, I have my shark repellent spray whatever, but I have been busted thing out and use it, but wake it's not.
[SPEAKER_06]: you know, how can we make it a part of the story and do something different within it felt visual and it felt cool.
[SPEAKER_06]: And, and then when Jorge came up with a kind of the weapon wheel idea for the covers, we're absolutely in the same thinking in the same place.
[SPEAKER_06]: But like that meant potentially, he's got, what is the belt for?
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not just to hold up the pants.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's heavy.
[SPEAKER_04]: You've got to use it.
[SPEAKER_04]: One thing we were talking about recently is the Batman as world's greatest detective and how it's often hard to pay that off.
[SPEAKER_04]: And hearing you talk about how like we're out of Batman's head, do you feel that?
[SPEAKER_04]: Can you do all of Batman contains multitudes?
[SPEAKER_04]: Can you do all of that?
[SPEAKER_04]: Is he the world's greatest detective in your story right now?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Who's better?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a hell of a thing to say to your friends and people you're meeting.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know that he would call himself that, but no, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, he is a detective, like that's absolutely part of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: And, but also like recognizing that is so not a muscle that I have naturally.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like there's a, like,
[SPEAKER_06]: I know I'm gonna get to help him and get to it, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Who can say it's, you know, I remember when Tom King started to write the book at reading an interview or something or he said, oh, no, I wanna write 100 issues.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I just remember being like, oh, my sweet summer child.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, I think I did like 68 or some issues of Iron Man can say, he was like the longest Iron Man run then by one team.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like it was like, and I can buy the time isn't like, I have absolutely nothing else to say about Tony.
[SPEAKER_06]: that out of juice.
[SPEAKER_06]: And remember thinking about Tom of like, oh, bless, bless your heart.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, but then I got here and I'm like, oh, yeah, not going to do 100 issues.
[SPEAKER_06]: Easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could do.
[SPEAKER_06]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's, it's, it's, it's, it's.
[SPEAKER_06]: the first book I've ever written where I'm never out of ideas because I'm like, oh, which would you now literally just pick up that bad end comic?
[SPEAKER_06]: There's something cool in it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right?
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll let it go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I would love to do like a detective, like a straight detective story.
[SPEAKER_06]: I thought dark patterns was like one of the best Batman stories.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a good ever.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was so fantastic and just such a good, oh well, I just love seeing them working that mode, you know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was going to say, and you're currently writing your five, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: You've ever seen that would be bottle rocket?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, you know, with the first West Andrews in movie and yeah, Dignan's going through his plans and it like like living into the future, the year 2000 and beyond living into the future.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and he has a drawing like a shitty comic, essentially about his future.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we got a couple of questions here over on YouTube.
[SPEAKER_05]: I wanted to bring up.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is one from Derek Maynhart says, I read in the latest issue of FM Mall, you're going to be involved in this next arc.
[SPEAKER_05]: Is there anything you can say about that?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm going to write it.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's interesting, you know, it's sort of started with, and this is my Kelly Sue.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'd have a different, my wife Kelly Sue DeConnick who wrote,
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, it was, like I said, in your dreams, you're all the characters and our comics, we're all the characters, like, you never care for everything you've ever written.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh my, so, but it's, it's, it's, it's, it's about our family in some way, in ways that only our family necessarily would know or recognize, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not, it's not all one to one, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, she's this, he's that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,
[SPEAKER_06]: But it occurred to me in FML, she had built herself a kind of arena to not just speak about a family or speak about parenthood or motherhood, but to speak in the specific, although in the kind of encoded ways that writers do, speak about our family.
[SPEAKER_06]: And in that lens, it's a story about a mother and her son, and it interested me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, oh, what if I wrote the follow-up and it's the dad and the daughter?
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's going to kind of change in the second one, and it's going to be the dad and little versus mom and Riley, and as opposed to mom and Riley rather, and it's going to be me trying to take this lens, she's built, so let us sort of talk about her family and in all these strange ways.
[SPEAKER_06]: And and and grow the world and I don't know, she sounded like a fun thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was kind of a creepy channel that we've never done before and it was scary for both of us.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like what if I break her toys?
[SPEAKER_06]: She's like, what have you always?
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: But it felt like a cool, I don't know, if I like a challenge.
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, I'm going to be starting that later.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't want to speak for dark work.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't want the plans out.
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, no, the plan is I'm going to write the second arc and it'll be sort of focused on dad and will as much as the opening was mom and
[SPEAKER_05]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_05]: Is it still going to be David Lopez on art?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_05]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: We got another one here.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is from Martin P. Any news on the Dr. Death Batman annual coming out.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think this is with Becky.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Only that it's coming out.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's it's yeah, literally.
[SPEAKER_06]: working on it as we speak.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I'm going to about half of it done and we'll get the, yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's going to be fun.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and this is an annual, this is going to be not the right answer.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he's sort of a, he, you know, like a longer, you know, Ford, I can remember at like this 44 pages of thing, you know, be like an annual size kind of story.
[SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, sort of, it, it, it, it, it interests me that Dr. Death was kind of the first super villain like Batman faced and sort of every time Dr. Death has come back, he's been a little bit different and sort of it was an opportunity to do without getting specific and saying,
[SPEAKER_06]: Six years ago, five years ago, or whatever, but late.
[SPEAKER_06]: The first time we met up was like this.
[SPEAKER_06]: The second time we met it was like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was a chance to kind of do a story that's spanned the history of that man, quote unquote, through the lens of his relationship with Dr. Death.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's going to, you know, Becky's going to get to do all kinds of fun bath stuff and I came up with the thing yesterday.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was an idea that delighted me so much.
[SPEAKER_06]: Be just thinking about her drawing it that had to kind of change what I was doing.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, um, yeah, stay tuned.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll know where we know.
[SPEAKER_05]: I wanted to ask you about another project you're working on with the C that I'm very excited about.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're doing a story with Steve Lieber in the Superb and Spider-Man special.
[SPEAKER_05]: It brings together two characters.
[SPEAKER_05]: New we're going to end up together eventually.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was, let's in the minute you heard DC Marvel go back together again.
[SPEAKER_06]: Everyone was like, well, they're doing jemiles and carnage, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Obviously.
[SPEAKER_04]: Classic combo.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I love it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like legitimately reading through the list of stories.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's the one that made me laugh out loud.
[SPEAKER_05]: Got me super hyped for the special.
[SPEAKER_05]: Where, where did that come from, though?
[SPEAKER_06]: We are Mary O'Donnell, who is Captain of the Good Ship, the Good Pirate Ship DC emailed me and said, Daisy Marvel, Jimmy Olson, Carnage Question Mark?
[SPEAKER_06]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, and that was it.
[SPEAKER_06]: It just just Marie threw it at me as like What about this another cat?
[SPEAKER_06]: Great.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's do it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_06]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um It's called Jimmy con carnage Good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is that the kind of thing that happened in a dream?
[SPEAKER_04]: Another one who told you that title Because that's sick.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm annoyed.
[SPEAKER_06]: It didn't hit me right away.
[SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm
[SPEAKER_06]: But it got here eventually, that's all I've got.
[SPEAKER_05]: Given, I mean, you and Steve did that incredible to be Olsen series, coming back to his carded story, just that make you no put on the con carnage.
[SPEAKER_05]: But does that make you honey hungry to do more Jimmy Olsen on another Jimmy Olsen series?
[SPEAKER_06]: No, but putting the hardcover together got some wheels turning, kind of have a half
[SPEAKER_06]: So, and look, I'll write for Steve the rest of my life, if he'll have me, you know, we'll see, maybe, maybe, yeah, there's there, but it would be is wildly different from what we had done, is it, you know what I mean, it would really be, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it
[SPEAKER_06]: a whole different kind of approach and take which was what made it interesting was it wouldn't feel like like placing saddles too.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a different thing but yeah we sort of started to kind of bounce it around and you know yeah we'll see maybe maybe one day I would love to one day one day.
[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't want to ask you about some BDS stuff as well, just because it was very recently announced that sex criminals is going to be a TV series on Pride video from Camel and Johnnie and Emily Gordon, which is an awesome team.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the future director, writer, director, see Chomey.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, well, that's right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: How involved are you in chip on that, or are you just observers being like, take our baby and run with it at this party?
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's, um, uh, uh,
[SPEAKER_06]: They're all awesome and incredible people.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, I, I had sort of been fighting the development fight on the book for a long time.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it sort of, had, between, like the problem, is the management regime's kept changing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: I would do one thing and then suddenly somebody else was in charge and we had to do, you know, so like I had done all these different versions and and kind of when the book finished, I can't speak for for for ship, but once the book was done, I felt like, oh, no, sure the book is done.
[SPEAKER_06]: Someone else can take it and.
[SPEAKER_06]: Whatever they'll do, like, it doesn't matter because are the thing that I did with chip, the thing we built is a complete thought now that's a period at the end of the sentence.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't have the kind of, I don't trust anybody.
[SPEAKER_06]: But if you've got to trust anybody, those three people are really amazing collaborators to trust.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I mean, we are creatively involved.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I'm not in the writers room or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: But we are working producers on the show.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we're definitely in our, you know, it's been produced through Lucky Chape, which is Marguerrobe's company.
[SPEAKER_06]: And they are a tremendous group of people who are really
[SPEAKER_06]: really understand how to get could work out of creative people and it's it's been a great so far and and you know we're just now watching how how like what is our sheet music sound like once plays it or whatever yeah and you know it's it's been intensely collaborative and really gratifying and it's really exciting.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm mostly curious, you may be aware that sex criminals is a pretty explicit book.
[SPEAKER_05]: How they're going to be able to do that TV or they get to have to pull back or just do it.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's premium premium.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's prestige, Alex.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just watched Murderbot.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: But in, I love premium streaming content.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's definitely, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll figure it out.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, um, you can get away with an awful lot.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but also like the part of the thing is like, it's not.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was consciously designed and like so like I can't ever understate.
[SPEAKER_06]: ships, the magnitude of a ship's contribution to the book, but it's a visual medium, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: It's ships, it's ships, that's like so much of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: But we're aware just as creators, we're coming up like, we didn't, can you do a sex comic that isn't sexy?
[SPEAKER_06]: Story about becoming aroused without trying to be arousing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right, like we said the way we used to joke that like it's a hardcore romance.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a triple-act romance, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like there's nudity in their sex, but none of it is like, like hopefully none of it is titillating.
[SPEAKER_06]: That was designed.
[SPEAKER_06]: And part of the ship was using live models, like real models, like friends in his.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so it was weird to like, no, no, no, no, like I not only is it weird to ask somebody to do this stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: And like the behind the scenes photos are hilarious.
[SPEAKER_06]: But also like, no, no, I have to protect my friends.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not gonna,
[SPEAKER_06]: you know, I'm not going to embarrass you or or or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: So so it's it was, you know, we were always consciously aware of like doing a thing about sex that is not sexy and is not sexual and not sexualized.
[SPEAKER_06]: At least certainly not deliberately, you know, not in a way that not with the kind of classic signs and signifiers and such things are, you know, right.
[SPEAKER_06]: turn down a lot of offers and opportunities that would have been extraordinarily lucrative by people that wanted to turn it into a crank with fucking.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then that's not the thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: You got to wrong.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're there.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's wrong, bit, you know.
[SPEAKER_06]: There aren't these aren't people who this isn't that show.
[SPEAKER_04]: Can you send along some of the write ups that you got, the treatments you got?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know, I'd be curious to take what.
[SPEAKER_04]: I kind of want to, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: But no, it's just stunning that the wrong takeaways people would get, you know, but you hear the superficial version of it and the first version, like, we would chip in, I would joke that we were masters of the single on Tondra, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: But like, you hear the pitch and like, if it's anybody's idea when they first hear the title in the setup, we've done it wrong.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hopefully it's not, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: The whole line of the book is to not be the
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, so hopefully it's a success, but I, I've certainly no concern that anybody, either it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it,
[SPEAKER_06]: Right, where are we going to get to the boobs?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Are they...
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's like a reverse on Tundra.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a book about sex that makes you think about how complicated relationships are.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a Tundra.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, the more important question though is, Is the show going to have a letters page at the end of it?
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, like, it's because I've been...
[SPEAKER_06]: It's been like 10 years since like the development process first started so I've thought about it a lot, right, and thought about, oh, yeah, you guys can do, I think on Amazon it's called x-ray, yes, right, like what if we did three tips.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's so smart, but like you could see where I'm going.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean, like, I don't know what we're going to do, but everybody's like, we get to figure that out, you know, that'll, uh, figure out.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you need a talking dead style after show, just answering people's, uh, sex wedges, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
[SPEAKER_06]: It's interesting.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was talking about murder but like I don't know that I've heard it consciously articulated but streaming is actually invented a new format for TV.
[SPEAKER_06]: which is like this fat 30, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: You hear, is it a 30 minute or an hour, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Is a half hour, and that means a sitcom, which means it's 22 minutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Before 25, if you're on cable, or it's 44 to 50 minutes, if it's a drama, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: But like this fat 30 that shows like murder bot or Wonderman, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's like 34 or 35, 36 minutes long.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's a new shape.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like it's it is genuinely different.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is and and I would always like Like I just out pitching the show and people would say, well, do you see this is a half hour or an hour and I would always say it's about 45 minutes Wait within always I would get condescended to by network executives spoke to me as though I'd been kicked in the head by a horse and I
[SPEAKER_06]: This is never going to be on broadcast air.
[SPEAKER_06]: We all know this is never going to be on broadcast air.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: To be on a streaming service, which means time is arbitrary.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it should be as long as it needs to be, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's closer to an in-between space, but now they have made this up.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I've not heard anyone talking about it or so it's saying, like, oh, no, this is our new shape.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, there's almost 12 shows on Apple that are like these at 30s.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it is a fucking game with thrones.
[SPEAKER_06]: The Dunkin' Egg Show is me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, we found it.
[SPEAKER_06]: You guys, we found it.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're rushing.
[SPEAKER_06]: You want to get red-a-streaming bloat?
[SPEAKER_06]: Give me a 36 minute episode.
[SPEAKER_06]: None of that sag, none of that episode's six, seven, eight sag anymore, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Because it's just a whole different shape and a different rhythm that I don't know that, like I said, I've not heard of people like articulating is like, yes, we're in a rectangle, have a lot in common, but they're different shapes, this is a
[SPEAKER_05]: We do have a couple of questions here in YouTube.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll do what I get to.
[SPEAKER_05]: This one is from Karim Gumbaa.
[SPEAKER_05]: It light of Tim's recent, how do you think leaving I assume?
[SPEAKER_05]: How do you think other members would react?
[SPEAKER_03]: Specifically Steven?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Specifically Stephanie given her long role as his love interest and confident as Robin and Grayson given he is a huge part of why he became Robin.
[SPEAKER_06]: uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh
[SPEAKER_06]: had a thought and reached out.
[SPEAKER_06]: To actually, to Michael Conrad and Becky Klunin is like, here's the situation.
[SPEAKER_06]: Here's where I'm at.
[SPEAKER_06]: Here's what I think would maybe happen and kind of ran it by them.
[SPEAKER_06]: And they were like, no, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's totally what we'd have.
[SPEAKER_06]: OK, great.
[SPEAKER_06]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Nice stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: It definitely finds out that this Stephanie learns about the Drake break in Batman.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is from Mina and he plans with Damien in the upcoming arc.
[SPEAKER_05]: I know you teased college a couple of times.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I love that little shit.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's so much fun to write.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, it's every comic needs a, needs a doctor doom.
[SPEAKER_06]: Need someone who can, or name more.
[SPEAKER_06]: And he's somebody who can, like,
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, no, I love them.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, two to my greatest onishment as I came in like, no, no, it's a two-hander.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is Bruce and Batman's book and and like, oh wait, wait, wait, wait, no, wait, I kind of, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, yes, somebody guest stars.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well, that's the other thing too is like, like, like, I was ready for a Batman book that felt like a Batman book and not non-sumble.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love
[SPEAKER_06]: Dame and Tim was a lot of fun, and I like, yes, I have lots of plans for Dame, and I use Red, you know, the, the, the, the date night issue.
[SPEAKER_06]: See, he kind of steps in it, you know, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this is from MP, what does the new Batcave and Pennyworth manner look like?
[SPEAKER_05]: How does Batman get the bat real feel in and out of the cave?
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, well, the new Batcave is actually kind of a garage.
[SPEAKER_06]: on paimers matter looks like a mansion and that will be getting out of the cave as we've seen he's got
[SPEAKER_06]: like buildings that are connected with like sub-training roads and you can bust out of stuff and they have like hologram doors that are in our first issue, you see other stuff like that, but yeah no, so he's got these kind of like stash houses around Gotham that are interlinked.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, we see a lot of an issue in an issue night, but that is very weirdly just how we were to say a very much a thing in my head of like, it's just kind of a garage now, you know, and like we see at the end of like the first issue, he puts the little dinosaur toy on the shelf, so he's like starting to rebuild his trophy room is like little chalk keys on his shelves or.
[SPEAKER_05]: Speaking of holograms, I'm sure you don't want to measure this specifically, but when are we going to find out more about what is going on with Alford?
[SPEAKER_05]: What do you mean?
[SPEAKER_05]: What do you mean what do you need to find out what do you mean he's dead?
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't, but he seems to be showing up the book, Matt.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's dead.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but Batman's talking to him.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're having a conversation.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's dead.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're finitivally had his head twisted.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, recently found out that Tom was going to bring him back.
[SPEAKER_06]: I thought I was honoring, like I said, I was trying to honor what had been given to me.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was pretty definitively fucking dead.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's not a hologram.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not AI.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's dead.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's something going on.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right, I guess we'll see.
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess we'll see you or not.
[SPEAKER_05]: Bed H. M. I says as Catwoman is back in Gotham, when do you think she would appear in the book?
[SPEAKER_06]: I think, uh, and sooner rather than later,
[SPEAKER_06]: Great answer, let's come up again before the end of the first year.
[SPEAKER_05]: And given the Batman or at least Bruce Wayne is struck up a little bit of a romance, is that going to throw a wrench in anything?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, why should anything be easy?
[SPEAKER_06]: They're all wrenches, man.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're all wrenches.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're all wrenches.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we're wrenches.
[SPEAKER_06]: The minute the minute everything's a wrench, it's got to be a wrench.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like that's the, you know, that's all wrenches.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you've been dodging a wrench, you know.
[SPEAKER_06]: If it's easy, it's not, that's not good.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's like a good story.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, no, well, I want that.
[SPEAKER_05]: And oh man, this is an overall thing that I think you've talked about before and it's become clear as the run has gone on, but I love the fact that as usual you're writing for the issue, like every issue is its own distinct adventure, but is there a bigger overarching story in mind at the same time?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think, like I said, it's certainly the mode is going to shift a little bit going into the second year.
[SPEAKER_06]: Part of it was that being the kind of initial impetus and getting to a point where it felt like I can do, it's just the reality of these things that it accrues story month after month and it felt like I can do a self-contained entirely hermetically sealed thing
[SPEAKER_06]: And hope people remember what happened four months ago, or, you know, just by the nature of all these kind of plot threads, it's, you know, I still, there is a larger, always larger things that play, but I still want to do kind of.
[SPEAKER_06]: beginning middle-end story of some sort.
[SPEAKER_06]: But as it, there will be times where it dials up, where that is really the focus, like in the sort of date night issue and there'll be times where we really kind of issue six is a little more round Robin, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: We're a part in the plan where, yes, there is a Batman thing with Monster Men, but we also check in with like three or four other bubbling plot lines to move things forward.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it, it, you know, it shifts and changes as we kind of go, but yeah, no, it's still,
[SPEAKER_06]: A complete and satisfying meal every issue and not just kind of make something people endlessly serialized, but but yeah, but I also Got like part of that thing of oh yeah, I could write 100 issues is like you just want to touch I just wanted to touch all the toys all at once and like oh oh oh oh Shit there's too much like now it's like I gotta I gotta I gotta go there's too many things going on and we're not gonna necessarily remember
[SPEAKER_06]: you know like so it's it is a balance is a tone on it I don't know that it's entirely successful but but like you know it's it's still the drive but it's not like a hard and fast you know
[SPEAKER_06]: because I was the dummy that you know got pregnant with six different storylines.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I think it's working great so far.
[SPEAKER_05]: I've been absolutely loving it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Before we let you go, I know we talked about a lot of things, Matt.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, Pete has a question.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just wanted you had talked and pointed at your, you know, first Batman book.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have a lovely nerd wall behind you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there anything else you want to point out or talk about?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, sure.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's an awful but hairy cruise called karate is the thing of the spirit.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just think everybody should respect it A little respected.
[SPEAKER_06]: I see my my camera's little down, but I let less my robin love here's the booty school you robin Such a great episode Oh look at that little buck rag.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just in the DCI.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's just stole that from somebody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I got that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's always going behind you, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: It never stole it.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's where the inspiration goes.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got them that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I got them that phone, and it's a bad phone over here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that rings.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, clearly once upon a time, like, there's, I think the hardware's in there.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it's, because like, there's something in that, like, it's not, it's, it's lighter than a phone, but there's still things inside.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I think I think there's a lighting region there.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just need to be brave enough to take it apart so you can fix it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's awesome.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Plug it into the wall.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, Pete anything else about this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for all your great work.
[SPEAKER_02]: We really appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a real honor and pleasure.
[SPEAKER_02]: We love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And only talking to you but getting to read your work.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's really, that's dope.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's awesome to hear.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Did we get it?
[SPEAKER_06]: Is there more?
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a lot of comments.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is what I get for not looking at things.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, it's okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: We got to a bunch of questions.
[SPEAKER_05]: You spent a lot of time.
[SPEAKER_05]: I is.
[SPEAKER_05]: what I was going to say before is there anything else you want to plug anything else you got FML coming out at some point from dark course Batman of course on going anything else people should be checking out from you that man is is my my gig right now and you know I sort of
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, there's a point of marvel I was writing six and a half books a month for like nine months at Marvel.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, which was shitty.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I would remember Jason like looking at Jason Aaron who is doing like like Punisher and like Wolverine and that was it.
[SPEAKER_06]: And being like fucking Jason.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, like, oh, and then just sort of realized like, oh, maybe maybe the answer is right six books for right one book six times right.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I'm really happy, just happy, like I've been doing it for more than a year now, and it is yet to feel like work.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's so exciting.
[SPEAKER_06]: To just keep plugging away on that men's stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, first, Wednesday every month, maybe we're going to be there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_05]: Matt, so good seeing you, so good chatting with you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thanks for everything.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's good seeing you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, thanks for having me.
[SPEAKER_04]: later.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_05]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_05]: Once again, that was Matt Fraction.
[SPEAKER_05]: You can check out that man.
[SPEAKER_05]: You've probably heard of that title, but that man sucks about him a little.
[SPEAKER_05]: Is out.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now, that man number seven comes out March 4th.
[SPEAKER_05]: I did not write that out the eight or four of these super bad spider bad special, but that's coming out.
[SPEAKER_05]: I believe next month, if not very soon, in stores everywhere.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, and look for Sex Criminals on your TV at some point in the future as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Look for Sex Criminals.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, when you're not at work, be out on the streets.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Jordan, our street team, guys.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to move on with our next section, which is my favorite section, because you all make it up, and is your audience questions.
[SPEAKER_05]: And for audience questions all you got to do is drop a question in the comments can be about absolutely anything and we will get to it in the meantime.
[SPEAKER_05]: What are you guys drinking tonight?
[SPEAKER_05]: What's going on?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well in an honor of uh, man, I'm just drinking water.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that a can of water?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a can of water.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Brad's water.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a water appealing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm I'm old school man.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know things out of can.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's so old school.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's number.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's very new school.
[SPEAKER_02]: How about two suits used to come in like an old oil can you guys remember that?
[SPEAKER_04]: What the plastic?
[SPEAKER_04]: Are you distracting us from something weird happening?
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to show us the water brand.
[SPEAKER_04]: You want to show us the water brand?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's not that won't show you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's liquid death.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which that is not old school No, that's new that is drinking water out of can is old school though
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nope, definitely not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: What was the match?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what I'm talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are the kids?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, see?
[SPEAKER_01]: We'd be neither in the same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, boy.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right, we got a question here.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is from the creator Good.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you were a banana flavored item, what would you be?
[SPEAKER_05]: Great question.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is a reference to our Marvel Vision podcast where we were recapping a wonder man.
[SPEAKER_05]: We got a little bit of a fight about,
[SPEAKER_05]: Several food items.
[SPEAKER_04]: The actual Alex has the worst food takes.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_05]: You have food takes.
[SPEAKER_05]: You disagree with them.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's really nice.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think I speak for the people.
[SPEAKER_04]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, we had a disagreement about banana flavored things.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, if you were a banana flavored food item, what would you be?
[SPEAKER_04]: I would be nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh man, it's hard decision because part of me wants to say Lafay Taffy because hopefully I'd be making people smile, you know what I mean, and then I love just laughing and laughing every time I hope they're a little bit of Lafay Taffy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Pete, do you need to take that?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my brother's.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope I can do it.
[SPEAKER_05]: OK. That, wow, OK. Just tell him you're doing a podcast and he'll understand it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I do a podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm just hoping that it's not an emergency.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's quite great, a good banana flavored wedge salad.
[SPEAKER_04]: Really nice.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'd be a banana-peak potato, of course.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a banana is the only banana flavor.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, banana bread.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you like chocolate?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't like chocolate chip.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's a banana.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also banana rons is a great flavor.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: Banana rons are, that's the what you want.
[SPEAKER_04]: You give that to someone you're trying to kill.
[SPEAKER_04]: No way.
[SPEAKER_04]: That thing will lodge in every part of your body.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good way to go is banana rons.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is from Ken and Melissa LG.
[SPEAKER_05]: If a gym ham sitting a puppet could play you on the show, which puppet would you do?
[SPEAKER_04]: Stephanie, if I've said this recently, but I realized that I have been, I identify with Kermit pretty hard.
[SPEAKER_04]: I went to see the Jason Seagull, Muppin movie like 10 years ago when it came out with my family, and I just stopped in the movie theater.
[SPEAKER_04]: When he was talking about how he used to do theater with his friends, and now he does anymore, it just destroyed me, and I did not see it coming.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow, are you all right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like there's still no I'm still in that theater crying.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_04]: I could cry right now because of it But yes, definitely permit the frog.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when you're doing like an acting scene You decries that where you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you in that theater emotionally?
[SPEAKER_04]: You'd be surprised how little I have to cry on camera these days, perhaps, but I love fun characters, you know?
[SPEAKER_05]: When I was little, I desperately wanted to be Fasi the Bear, like, I loved Fasi the Bear, but I think now probably Scooter, interesting.
[SPEAKER_05]: Why?
[SPEAKER_05]: What are the defining scooters just like regular?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, regularities like keep it everything on track, keep it things moving to log and tears of time, keep it the schedule, that sort of thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's really, you're such a dreamer.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're really, you've aged into scooters, what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_05]: Pete, what about you, Rizzo, or what are you thinking?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think mentally I want to be animal, but physically, physically I'm bigger, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, you're not a baker.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe a statler or a Waldorf.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: You are both statler and Waldorf.
[SPEAKER_04]: There are two wolves inside P and they are statler and Waldorf.
[UNKNOWN]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Stanley says, see any new movies and theaters like Dracula or Mercy?
[SPEAKER_05]: uh... great and he i haven't been to the theater at a very long time if he had uh... yes i think maybe this weekend i'll take my wife for valentine stay but i guess really what you're gonna what you're gonna take in uh... sent help i think
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, send help is the movie I want to see right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's the first in a while.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I saw Marty Supreme, I saw one battle.
[SPEAKER_04]: I saw Ham that in theater recently, loved all of those.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mercy's not getting me out.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, Chris.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Also not the Dracula one, which is also that's the Luke Besson Dracula.
[SPEAKER_05]: What's not supposed to be great Pete?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're single and rated Mangle who you've been to the movie theater recently No, not since the last the comic book movie we had to see to talk about Come on.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wow Shreakler says what's the most embarrassing miss app you've ever had if it's you could talk about?
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow Shreak Swing in the news rise We don't give an off-choic alert
[SPEAKER_05]: You want I'll start off when I was a kid I went to see a magician at the local library with my grandmother And I love magic.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was so into magic.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I know you you could just look at you and say this guy loves bad That's that's this scooter loves magic Love magic was super excited about it my grandmother took me watching the show and all I wanted to do was desperately was beyond stage
[SPEAKER_05]: And the magician called for volunteers from the audience and he was like, I got to get six volunteers and he was like, you, you, you, you and I looked over my grandmother and she was like, yeah, it's you, go, go, go, you got to go and I was like, I don't think he was calling on me and she was like, no, no, go, go on stage and I went up to stage and I walked all the way up to stage and the magician looked at me and said, no, not you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wow, that's fucked.
[SPEAKER_04]: And what you fell in love with theater and you were like, I'm gonna Do like my life this wound will never heal unless I perform comedy for I fell just if I'm right now That's so funny.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I don't know I I feel like I'm hard to embarrass I guess
[SPEAKER_04]: But here's one, here's one for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: I do a show called character's welcome and like probably 10 years ago I was I had just walked around stage performing a character introduces Park slope baby.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm in an adult diaper I know I was going a flat brim hat.
[SPEAKER_04]: I say half of a line on the stage and it's like what's up?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's keep in mind.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have the words straight from the titty written in Sharpie.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm across my back
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm about to start my piece, a Black Lives Matter protest comes in the back of the UCB theater and takes the stage and legitimately is like they did that for a while back then they were protesting and that was one of the spaces they over took it was great but I was on stage for like fully ten minutes being like I need to get out of here.
[SPEAKER_04]: I look so stupid right now I'll share the video in the in the discord but you could see my reaction when the protest starts I'm like what
[SPEAKER_04]: Huh.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh well.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of, yeah, I'm wondering, like, you know, why you wouldn't just leave the stage, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_04]: I couldn't get off the stage because they were like 20 protestors and it was a UCB East theater so there's no back exit, so I had to like get around.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was, you could see me in the back of the program.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry, nothing like everybody has a right to protest.
[SPEAKER_05]: What a crazy place to protest as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I was like the audience like the protest more than the characters they paid to see.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, guys, you have this crowd from the jump.
[SPEAKER_04]: One of the percent.
[SPEAKER_04]: But yes, Shroykler says I was in the audience for this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the choice.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's very, that's very sad.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where they came from.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was teaching you up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've had a ton of them, and absolute ton of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only one that's coming to mind is I was doing a stand-up set in front of a college.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like really nervous, so I walked in the bathroom to wash my hands.
[SPEAKER_02]: and it was one of those ones where like you put your head in the low water just comes shooting out and it shot me right in the crotch and uh and uh and the guy came back in like five minutes later and he was like you're on next and he caught me and I was it looked like I was humping the hand dryer
[SPEAKER_02]: because I was like holding my crotch up to the hand dryer to try to drive before I went on stage.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, um, yeah, I, uh, I was like, have somebody else go and he was just like, what the fuck are you doing?
[SPEAKER_04]: But you've been called Humping Hand Rires a bunch of different times, so this time, I mean, first time, that was, first time, but after that, that's when you developed it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I taste for it, if you will.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: What am I doing last one here?
[SPEAKER_05]: This from the greater good favorite Super Bowl commercial.
[SPEAKER_05]: Did you guys, the Super Bowl was on this Sunday.
[SPEAKER_05]: Did you guys watch that?
[SPEAKER_05]: Check that out.
[SPEAKER_04]: I consumed.
[SPEAKER_04]: My favorite commercial was for the Patriots Losing.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, it was a really well written because they just lost the whole time.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean, like they were bad from the beginning to the end my dad was so happy we were talking about like
[SPEAKER_02]: What we wanted from the Super Bowl, you know, I was like, I just want a close game of fun game to watch because I don't like either team in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And my dad was like, no, I want the fucking Patriots to lose the whole game.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to watch you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yo, lose the first one.
[SPEAKER_04]: Was your dad like, was there a genie in the room?
[SPEAKER_04]: Because your dad got that exact wish.
[SPEAKER_04]: He was sort of wasted his wish in somewhere.
[SPEAKER_04]: That is exactly what happened it was and it was not a fun game to watch, but it was there's a little giggle in our hearts.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's for sure.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, it was a pretty terrible year for commercials.
[SPEAKER_05]: They were great.
[SPEAKER_05]: Almost uniformly awful.
[SPEAKER_05]: The only one that I actively liked it, maybe because the bar was so low was the Pokemon one where I saw something described that it's like,
[SPEAKER_05]: That's nice way to say it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I will say that commercial I feel like was half like Gaga singing jiggly puff I was like that's dope.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, never know what pretending.
[SPEAKER_04]: He likes Pokemon.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was like fuck.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_05]: My guy Did you guys have any other favorite commercials?
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go to trailer and say the heaven and hell of the Super Bowl from trailer perspective was disclosure day and Cliff Booth also I thought was very cool, but man that Mandalorian trailer was that teaser or whatever you want to call it was so off-putting.
[SPEAKER_05]: yeah it was weird like the the the comedy of it was like a weird I was like is this real or are they kind of doing like a prank like I did I mean I'm going to give a contrary take there I felt like I don't know if it totally 100% worked but the fact that they were like let's do the Budweiser Cliesdale's ads but for Bad Delirated Groke you
[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like that's what the Super Bowl should be for, like it's for, like here, let's do a stupid insane big swing and throw it out there, but I do think the greater thing of this being the first Star Wars movie that's been out since 2019 in theaters and people already being kind of iffy about it, it was definitely the wrong cultural move.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I like the audacious descent and it certainly was audacious.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just feel like it was such a sweaty joke Like I think it just played wrong like I agree like I love when someone makes a weird swing Yeah, but man I just thought it was it made it emphasized all the stuff we don't like I was like who wrote this jar jar like get out of here
[SPEAKER_05]: You're making me make work.
[SPEAKER_05]: What if what it made it work is if it ended with watch the new trailer online?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, see that's a good because honestly for part of I was like they're not a pointy out that this doesn't happen in them And that's something they should have made very clear speaking of sweaty commercials though the duck and donuts commercial just kind of made me like I was like Ben, what do you do and man like you got it this is and that's the first bad choice.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's ever made
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, come on glad we were there to see it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Come on, but yeah, I'll wear a fumble for better I mean he started doing Dougie Doris commercials because he fumbled in front of paparazzi like nine times in a row like five years I guess and now it's like you can let the fumble go you don't have to keep fumble Benito bowl was pretty sweet though.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, the half time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, hell yeah, that's I was so no
[SPEAKER_05]: All right, I think that's enough sports talk.
[SPEAKER_05]: So what have we turned it to a different type of contest, which is trivia for that.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to turn it over to Pete LePay.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is our superman.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the bar we have back to the lovely audience.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's an opportunity to win $25 free dollars to mid-town comics online, so why not save Pick me or first-hand up or I'll do it or something like that and we already got a hand-up here guy from Capacorn media products All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I love media especially products What do you think about Capacorn ones?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I agree with Capacorn.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I'm a Libra and how a duck can't you doubt
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, Pete, take it away.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, fine, I will.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I was hoping to get everybody else's sign, but, all right, taste trivia, it's about them out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Shout out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Taste trivia is about the comic book Devil on my shoulder and it's small not to the legend, Gil Gerard, RIP book Rogers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Please listen to all three options before making your selection.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we go question number one.
[SPEAKER_02]: This amazing comic Devil on my shoulder
[SPEAKER_02]: a dark supernatural horror comic.
[SPEAKER_02]: B is too much for you to acknowledge your dodgy brother Neal.
[SPEAKER_02]: See you Roger Neal.
[SPEAKER_04]: What are your, what are your, what are your signs, guys?
[SPEAKER_04]: Scorpio.
[SPEAKER_04]: Deadly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Classic scooter.
[SPEAKER_05]: They both can't spell Scooter without Scorpion.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Scooter also has a stinging tail, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: He does.
[SPEAKER_05]: If Scooter stings once he dies, this is A, is that the answer?
[SPEAKER_05]: That is correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that the answer?
[SPEAKER_02]: Question number two, who writes this dark yet enjoyable comic?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it A, Kyle Starks?
[SPEAKER_02]: B, Doc Brown would say great Scott.
[SPEAKER_02]: See, Nate Scott.
[SPEAKER_02]: P. with your side.
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... lia on a shirt pretty oddly uh... what is it what characters takes to find a lia um... no idea loud uh... proud is the first one loud and proud i don't think that's right i'll look about a a is the right a i don't think that's right either um...
[SPEAKER_02]: What is this interesting and cool comic about?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it a revenge?
[SPEAKER_02]: Be, yeah, I remembered the song from the douche commercials.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some are breeze or sea, some are storm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some are breeze makes no peace.
[SPEAKER_05]: Be natural, boring, leader, dramatic, creative, self-confident, dominant, and extremely difficult to resist.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I thought it was going to say extremely difficult to work with.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, what pornographic website are you looking at?
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I could have covered with anything.
[SPEAKER_04]: A is an A?
[SPEAKER_04]: A is correct.
[SPEAKER_04]: Scooter's got a scoot.
[SPEAKER_04]: Scooter's got a run that just shows.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got a run that just shows.
[SPEAKER_04]: Time for Fasi shit.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got a scoot right now.
[SPEAKER_05]: Capricorn media products you are going to get a $25 gift card to midtown comics should us an email and we will get that off to you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Pete, what's secret movie we're referencing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course we're talking about the 2016 comedy that I've enjoyed very much, the nice guys.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yes, that's a good movie and some good movies in comic book form are coming out tomorrow Which I like to call comic books in the comic book store?
[SPEAKER_05]: What are you guys looking forward to what what movies are you gonna check out Pete?
[SPEAKER_02]: I am looking forward to absolute Wonder Woman annual it's it's just an unbelievable comic great also DCK oh number four um I had an oh shit moment without one it's probably amazing and plan it she hall could number four
[SPEAKER_05]: I just enjoy it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, we don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: We haven't read it yet.
[SPEAKER_05]: Justin, what are you looking forward to checking out?
[SPEAKER_04]: Got a shout out.
[SPEAKER_04]: Batman, a robber number 30 by Philip Kennedy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Johnson, who we talked to and we did get to read this one in advance for our interview and made closing out his run and just
[SPEAKER_04]: really great stuff is all I'll say uh but he's a one of the most thoughtful writers out there so uh definitely something to take in uh i mean we talked a lot about Damian with Matt it's also stray bullies best friend
[SPEAKER_04]: but Philip Kennedy Johnson also really bringing some heat for Damian and the other one I wanted to highlight is bleeding hearts number one for who to go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Not to talk up another Dennis campbook but we got to we get it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Alex and I were in the room for the announcement at the Vertigo panel at New York Comic-Con where I first heard about this comic and man.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm so psyched to see it.
[SPEAKER_04]: The art is fantastic.
[SPEAKER_04]: From the preview by Stepan Morian and it just seems like such a cool book.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a zombie story with some very fun twists.
[SPEAKER_05]: A couple of others that I'm interested in checking out, ultimate X-Men number 24, that's the final issue is coming out tomorrow, curious to see how they wrapped that up.
[SPEAKER_05]: Also, Cyclops, number one, also from Marvel, we had an Alex Pactodale on the show, a couple of weeks back, yeah, weeks back about a month, and talked about that.
[SPEAKER_05]: He was pretty hyped, so that got me pretty hyped.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I feel like there was one more, oh, I'll just give a shout out to Babs, the Black Road South number two.
[SPEAKER_05]: from Garth NS and Jason Burrows.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a theoretical fantasy comedy.
[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't love the first issue of this as much as the first series, but I'm curious and hopeful to see if it picks up more in the second issue.
[SPEAKER_05]: And all of those are going to be in our stack pod cast that comes out Wednesday, 9 a.m. both and it's own dedicated stack feed and the comic book club feed.
[SPEAKER_05]: So check that out and folks, that is it for this week's show.
[SPEAKER_05]: What's again, we want to thank Matt Fraction for having on the show.
[SPEAKER_05]: Talk about Batman.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know that man, but Batman number six is out now Batman number seven is coming out March 4th.
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