WEBVTT 00:00.942 --> 00:07.050 [SPEAKER_07]: Hey everybody, it's Bree Bagel with your Only Vans Break App and today my friend Corey Morrell and his incredible guitar player, John Carroll. 00:07.571 --> 00:13.459 [SPEAKER_07]: Join me on the podcast today in front of a live audience at the 40th anniversary of music fest in Steamboat, Colorado. 00:14.100 --> 00:21.229 [SPEAKER_07]: These episodes are special because we get to hear a Korean John play some tunes, including a couple from Corey's latest album The Letting Go. 00:21.209 --> 00:23.873 [SPEAKER_07]: which is so great and came out in October 2025. 00:24.514 --> 00:30.423 [SPEAKER_07]: We talk a lot about that album, dive into the history of his famous Nashville sucks t-shirts, and we laugh a lot. 00:31.024 --> 00:34.509 [SPEAKER_07]: We give so much to serve love to Pat Mansky and his own recording studio. 00:34.529 --> 00:42.922 [SPEAKER_07]: Also, some love to produce her in front of the pod, Justin Pollard, and the engineer's name on my project in Nashville that I couldn't remember was Chad Carlson. 00:43.323 --> 00:44.044 [SPEAKER_07]: Sorry Chad. 00:44.024 --> 00:52.180 [SPEAKER_07]: You'll adore Corey and John even more after this chat if that's possible and I get this G-part of joke now Corey whenever my head the first time. 00:53.122 --> 00:53.643 [SPEAKER_07]: Thanks John. 00:53.723 --> 00:58.533 [SPEAKER_07]: Thanks in the music fast for this opportunity and if John Carroll has RBF it's okay if you have it too. 00:59.014 --> 01:00.497 [SPEAKER_07]: Enjoy. 01:05.287 --> 01:06.669 [SPEAKER_04]: I never got into it for the business. 01:06.709 --> 01:09.253 [SPEAKER_04]: I got into it for the music and the attention. 01:09.653 --> 01:11.195 [SPEAKER_04]: So I was seeking attention. 01:11.476 --> 01:12.097 [SPEAKER_06]: Amen. 01:12.117 --> 01:12.437 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:12.457 --> 01:15.381 [SPEAKER_04]: And our system with insecurity. 01:16.142 --> 01:16.543 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. 01:16.563 --> 01:18.886 [SPEAKER_06]: That's the theme of this podcast. 01:18.906 --> 01:19.768 [SPEAKER_06]: Actually, it really is. 01:19.788 --> 01:21.370 [SPEAKER_06]: We all feel that way. 01:21.390 --> 01:21.510 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:21.530 --> 01:23.633 [SPEAKER_04]: We're totally insecure and completely stuck up. 01:23.733 --> 01:24.274 [SPEAKER_04]: So. 01:28.878 --> 01:32.199 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, hey everybody, this is Free Bagwell, and this is my podcast. 01:32.642 --> 01:34.554 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll leave it hands, or I'll talk to my friends. 01:35.318 --> 01:35.580 [SPEAKER_00]: I love it. 01:49.955 --> 01:57.574 [SPEAKER_07]: You guys welcome to one of the very few rare live audience tapings of only Vans podcast. 01:58.476 --> 02:04.251 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, with the V only Vans, I was telling Cory about it backstage. 02:04.433 --> 02:07.295 [SPEAKER_07]: My producer, Kyle, we come. 02:08.136 --> 02:10.558 [SPEAKER_07]: He was in the car with driving me home in the Sprinter Band. 02:10.578 --> 02:11.939 [SPEAKER_07]: And he was like, you should just do a podcast. 02:11.959 --> 02:12.880 [SPEAKER_07]: We should just hit record. 02:13.300 --> 02:18.965 [SPEAKER_07]: So we started the podcast just in the front seat of the Sprinter Band, and I had the guests in there, and we would just do the podcast. 02:19.226 --> 02:21.828 [SPEAKER_07]: Now I have an RV, we're a little bit more spread out. 02:21.908 --> 02:25.651 [SPEAKER_07]: So it's only RVs, but it's duated, don't worry. 02:25.671 --> 02:28.914 [SPEAKER_07]: It's not only fans, please, like Sundance had last year. 02:28.974 --> 02:30.115 [SPEAKER_07]: He put on his Facebook. 02:30.175 --> 02:34.018 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm doing only fans with Bree Bagwell at 3 p.m. 02:33.998 --> 02:49.835 [SPEAKER_07]: It's quite a stir when it's been just one of the most fun things I've ever done in my life is just talking to my friends, which are a lot of times my heroes that I grew up listening to and wanted to be like, and today is no different. 02:50.275 --> 02:55.280 [SPEAKER_07]: And it's really just a little bit of a chit chat instead of like, how'd you get started? 02:55.581 --> 02:59.685 [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's like, remember that time we skinny dipped in a pool in Key West, not. 02:59.665 --> 03:01.066 [SPEAKER_07]: Corey Murrow and I did not do that. 03:01.207 --> 03:11.578 [SPEAKER_07]: Let's clarify, that's not what today is about, but a little bit more behind the scenes and we just found out this last year, we are in the top 10% of all podcasts globally, which is pretty exciting. 03:11.618 --> 03:22.749 [SPEAKER_07]: And so if you want to follow, like, subscribe, listen to whole episodes, like out Mickey Brown on Willy Brown, Richard Vigno, Dale Brisby, Max and Heather Sallie. 03:22.789 --> 03:28.255 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, just really an incredible, like how many episodes have we worked 75 or something? 03:28.235 --> 03:29.237 [SPEAKER_07]: hundred episodes. 03:29.858 --> 03:30.239 [SPEAKER_07]: We don't know. 03:30.419 --> 03:34.486 [SPEAKER_07]: Also, if you want to get drunk and sponsored this podcast by all means, there's Kyle over there. 03:34.526 --> 03:36.930 [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you guys so much for coming. 03:36.970 --> 03:37.992 [SPEAKER_07]: This is a really a treat. 03:38.133 --> 03:40.857 [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't give Cory really any info. 03:41.078 --> 03:45.345 [SPEAKER_07]: And so lucky for you guys, he brought along one of my favorite people. 03:45.365 --> 03:49.853 [SPEAKER_07]: So we make some noise for my friend, Cory Morrell, Mr. John Carroll, everybody. 03:49.873 --> 03:52.538 [SPEAKER_07]: Or you have to come up now. 03:54.661 --> 03:55.102 [SPEAKER_07]: You do. 03:56.664 --> 03:57.565 [SPEAKER_07]: No, both of you. 03:57.625 --> 04:00.389 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I'm about to pay for something. 04:00.409 --> 04:00.830 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know. 04:01.371 --> 04:01.631 [SPEAKER_07]: Go. 04:01.992 --> 04:04.435 [SPEAKER_07]: Put that closer to my phone, let's get it on. 04:04.736 --> 04:05.237 [SPEAKER_04]: Hi. 04:05.257 --> 04:06.178 [SPEAKER_07]: Hi, friend. 04:06.899 --> 04:07.440 [SPEAKER_04]: Cheers. 04:07.700 --> 04:09.863 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks for clarifying this guinea dipping thing. 04:09.883 --> 04:11.185 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, sorry about that. 04:11.205 --> 04:12.688 [SPEAKER_07]: I, um, yeah. 04:13.529 --> 04:16.153 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and I don't have that many crazy stories together. 04:16.193 --> 04:16.573 [SPEAKER_07]: Nope. 04:16.593 --> 04:21.120 [SPEAKER_07]: Like the first time I ever even met you, somebody told me, this is a corn world. 04:21.140 --> 04:22.542 [SPEAKER_07]: Don't ever get in the car with him. 04:23.045 --> 04:24.347 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it was by Jake Ingraham. 04:25.828 --> 04:27.450 [SPEAKER_07]: Are you like a fast guy? 04:27.470 --> 04:28.151 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna go fast guy. 04:28.712 --> 04:30.193 [SPEAKER_07]: Are you still a fast guy? 04:30.213 --> 04:30.494 [SPEAKER_04]: No. 04:33.357 --> 04:35.620 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not true, it's not true, that's not true. 04:35.640 --> 04:44.530 [SPEAKER_04]: Not like a, okay, so, comparatively speaking, comparatively, I'm not, and my son's like, excuse me, he's going. 04:45.421 --> 04:48.444 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I drive a little over the speed limit. 04:48.464 --> 04:50.266 [SPEAKER_04]: I try to keep it between five and 10. 04:50.326 --> 04:55.772 [SPEAKER_04]: There was a lady told me recently she has a cousin or something that's police officer. 04:55.792 --> 04:58.235 [SPEAKER_04]: And he says, if you're five, you're fine. 04:58.315 --> 04:59.336 [SPEAKER_04]: If you're 10, you're mine. 05:00.117 --> 05:00.998 [SPEAKER_04]: So I was like, okay. 05:01.038 --> 05:02.499 [SPEAKER_04]: So keep it between five and nine. 05:02.539 --> 05:04.281 [SPEAKER_04]: And that rhymes. 05:04.521 --> 05:07.044 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I try to keep it between five and nine over the speed limit. 05:07.645 --> 05:07.825 [SPEAKER_04]: You know? 05:07.845 --> 05:09.407 [SPEAKER_07]: It was being coached. 05:09.487 --> 05:11.749 [SPEAKER_04]: It was being coached. 05:11.769 --> 05:11.889 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 05:11.909 --> 05:12.069 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 05:12.090 --> 05:13.091 [SPEAKER_04]: So no, I don't. 05:13.111 --> 05:14.432 [SPEAKER_04]: I used to drive. 05:14.615 --> 05:17.881 [SPEAKER_04]: 50 to 100 miles over the speed limit, but I don't do that anymore. 05:18.001 --> 05:26.776 [SPEAKER_04]: That's like what I heard about you, and it was just... That was when Jacky had Jack got in the car, and I did a burnout, and then we went 100 and something, and he said, let me out. 05:29.100 --> 05:30.863 [SPEAKER_07]: But you can't go that fast in a minivan. 05:31.163 --> 05:33.687 [SPEAKER_07]: How, what do you drive now for all those kids? 05:33.707 --> 05:33.988 [SPEAKER_07]: Ah! 05:34.008 --> 05:34.108 [SPEAKER_07]: Wait. 05:34.544 --> 05:35.366 [SPEAKER_03]: How dare you? 05:36.489 --> 05:37.311 [SPEAKER_03]: I sold the mini van. 05:37.331 --> 05:37.952 [SPEAKER_03]: We have a suburban. 05:38.313 --> 05:38.975 [SPEAKER_07]: I would really. 05:38.995 --> 05:40.318 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I put a turbo on it. 05:40.458 --> 05:40.879 [SPEAKER_03]: So anyway. 05:42.403 --> 05:46.393 [SPEAKER_07]: That's how you walk in yesterday with all our little kiddos in the row. 05:46.413 --> 05:47.776 [SPEAKER_07]: They're all skiing. 05:48.017 --> 05:49.380 [SPEAKER_04]: Like ducks. 05:50.255 --> 05:51.157 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, they're all skiing. 05:51.197 --> 05:52.319 [SPEAKER_04]: They're doing really good too. 05:53.000 --> 05:54.163 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's start out a little scary. 05:54.483 --> 05:58.892 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought I was gonna have to put my daughter into ski school, and then we got on the lift and I thought, you know what? 05:59.653 --> 06:00.114 [SPEAKER_04]: I can do this. 06:00.535 --> 06:01.497 [SPEAKER_04]: I can tidy daycare this. 06:01.837 --> 06:02.679 [SPEAKER_07]: You taught them yourself? 06:03.160 --> 06:04.583 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I kind of helped. 06:04.963 --> 06:06.306 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, yeah, let me know. 06:08.277 --> 06:16.426 [SPEAKER_04]: They took lessons a few years ago and she just didn't remember, so I took her back up and I said, okay, let's, you know, let's do pizza and French fries and let's go over the whole thing. 06:16.446 --> 06:22.953 [SPEAKER_04]: And then, um, somebody in the ski school was watching and noticed that I was doing it wrong, so he came by and said, could I offer some advice? 06:22.973 --> 06:24.054 [SPEAKER_04]: And I said, well, absolutely. 06:24.534 --> 06:27.798 [SPEAKER_04]: And he said, tell her to reach down and like put her hands underneath. 06:28.298 --> 06:32.002 [SPEAKER_04]: And as soon as she did, everything came together because her weight was distributed properly. 06:32.042 --> 06:35.526 [SPEAKER_04]: And she was able to turn and maneuver and I was like, thank you, Sarah, go away. 06:35.806 --> 06:36.647 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. 06:37.066 --> 06:41.000 [SPEAKER_07]: You should have given that if I see your term in a term. 06:41.020 --> 06:42.787 [SPEAKER_07]: Just kidding. 06:42.807 --> 06:43.770 [SPEAKER_03]: Wait a minute. 06:43.790 --> 06:44.613 [SPEAKER_03]: Where are we going? 06:44.974 --> 06:45.456 [SPEAKER_07]: Lunch. 06:46.448 --> 06:47.910 [SPEAKER_03]: He's right out there running the sound. 06:48.371 --> 06:49.332 [SPEAKER_03]: He's evil, I ain't you. 06:49.352 --> 06:51.916 [SPEAKER_06]: I just meant that he broke a rib. 06:51.936 --> 06:52.877 [SPEAKER_04]: He'd, oh, right. 06:53.178 --> 06:53.658 [SPEAKER_04]: God, Lee. 06:54.059 --> 06:54.540 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 06:55.020 --> 06:57.384 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I did, I did, I did give him that advice. 06:57.824 --> 07:02.852 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think what he does, he went down for his knees and grabbed his ankles, and he just went over the top. 07:02.912 --> 07:05.255 [SPEAKER_04]: He went too far, and then he broke his rib. 07:05.375 --> 07:09.501 [SPEAKER_07]: And all of a sudden, my audio sounds terrible, because he hates me now for pointing that out. 07:09.521 --> 07:12.566 [SPEAKER_04]: I've just, yeah, and you started off with skinny dip and I said grab an ankle. 07:12.626 --> 07:14.228 [SPEAKER_04]: So this is going sideways real fast. 07:14.748 --> 07:16.050 [SPEAKER_07]: It is called Only Vans. 07:16.070 --> 07:17.632 [SPEAKER_04]: This is a holy fan of free. 07:18.613 --> 07:19.354 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks, Sundance. 07:19.795 --> 07:20.616 [SPEAKER_07]: It's a myth. 07:20.636 --> 07:23.720 [SPEAKER_07]: My producer's been wanting to start and Only Vans only fans about moments. 07:23.740 --> 07:26.063 [SPEAKER_07]: So we've had to cut out for the podcast, and it felt... 07:26.083 --> 07:26.484 [SPEAKER_04]: I'd be fine. 07:26.504 --> 07:28.266 [SPEAKER_07]: If this is one of them, just let me know. 07:28.306 --> 07:29.728 [SPEAKER_07]: We can cut that out. 07:29.748 --> 07:30.950 [SPEAKER_04]: Are there exes on the wall? 07:31.170 --> 07:32.692 [SPEAKER_04]: This is all coming together now. 07:32.952 --> 07:34.374 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah. 07:34.394 --> 07:34.614 [SPEAKER_04]: Exes. 07:35.275 --> 07:35.696 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, no. 07:35.736 --> 07:36.857 [SPEAKER_07]: There's only two exes. 07:36.877 --> 07:38.179 [SPEAKER_04]: This is like two. 07:38.560 --> 07:39.261 [SPEAKER_07]: All right. 07:39.281 --> 07:40.642 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm just so glad that you're here. 07:40.662 --> 07:44.147 [SPEAKER_07]: You know what's crazy is that I was just looking up 07:44.954 --> 07:47.817 [SPEAKER_07]: You know, and I first got into Cory Moro ban. 07:47.837 --> 07:50.701 [SPEAKER_07]: My brothers would go to El Paso, because I'm from Las Cruces. 07:50.721 --> 07:51.642 [SPEAKER_07]: They would go to El Paso. 07:51.662 --> 07:54.686 [SPEAKER_07]: That was the closest that Texas Country artist came to New Mexico. 07:54.926 --> 07:55.747 [SPEAKER_04]: Can you line barbecue? 07:56.167 --> 07:57.489 [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, a state line now. 07:57.509 --> 07:58.150 [SPEAKER_04]: Stay line, that's right. 07:58.170 --> 07:58.450 [SPEAKER_04]: That's right. 07:58.470 --> 07:59.591 [SPEAKER_04]: You would stay line there, it's right. 08:00.252 --> 08:03.616 [SPEAKER_07]: And they would bring me home autographed copies and that record was 1997. 08:05.198 --> 08:06.279 [SPEAKER_07]: Cory Moro band record. 08:06.500 --> 08:07.641 [SPEAKER_03]: I looked at it today. 08:07.661 --> 08:08.642 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh. 08:08.662 --> 08:10.945 [SPEAKER_07]: I was zero. 08:12.578 --> 08:13.659 [SPEAKER_03]: I was super. 08:14.000 --> 08:16.964 [SPEAKER_07]: How old are you and I didn't know that's not what we were talking about. 08:16.984 --> 08:17.865 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm 53, I'll be 54 this year. 08:18.085 --> 08:18.746 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. 08:18.766 --> 08:29.800 [SPEAKER_07]: Are you like me where I have no problem telling people how old I am because I've gotten so much more wise and my like I'm so glad I'm not 20s anymore and hotter and humble. 08:29.820 --> 08:32.163 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I don't know. 08:32.683 --> 08:36.528 [SPEAKER_07]: It's just, I'm, I'm, I'm, hot or fit right in here. 08:37.329 --> 08:39.272 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm the most homo I've ever made. 08:39.312 --> 08:40.173 [SPEAKER_03]: That's your best quality. 08:40.213 --> 08:40.694 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 08:40.734 --> 08:41.775 [SPEAKER_03]: So you say you say. 08:42.802 --> 08:44.084 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, that is so funny. 08:44.184 --> 08:47.027 [SPEAKER_07]: But I'm just saying, I was kind of like, I don't want to be in my 20s anymore. 08:47.047 --> 08:48.649 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't want to even be in my early 30s anymore. 08:48.669 --> 08:50.071 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm so happy with it. 08:50.512 --> 08:50.932 [SPEAKER_04]: It was fun. 08:50.952 --> 08:51.934 [SPEAKER_04]: It was a good time. 08:51.954 --> 08:52.635 [SPEAKER_04]: I enjoyed it. 08:52.775 --> 08:53.576 [SPEAKER_04]: I over enjoyed it. 08:53.876 --> 08:55.238 [SPEAKER_04]: And I have stories to tell about it. 08:55.318 --> 08:58.021 [SPEAKER_04]: And now I'm very glad to be in my 50s. 08:58.222 --> 09:00.825 [SPEAKER_04]: I wish sometimes my body was in its 20s. 09:00.925 --> 09:02.607 [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, we're working on that. 09:03.188 --> 09:04.049 [SPEAKER_07]: You're still skiing, though? 09:04.470 --> 09:04.910 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 09:04.930 --> 09:05.131 [SPEAKER_04]: I know. 09:05.151 --> 09:05.972 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a good, right? 09:06.993 --> 09:08.895 [SPEAKER_04]: There's lots of guys in my age that aren't skiing. 09:08.915 --> 09:10.137 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm very happy with that. 09:10.157 --> 09:11.779 [SPEAKER_07]: That's the young ones that are breaking ribs. 09:14.138 --> 09:16.086 [SPEAKER_03]: You drew, she's just like, not gonna let up. 09:16.467 --> 09:17.833 [SPEAKER_07]: Do, I'm so sorry. 09:17.873 --> 09:20.744 [SPEAKER_03]: She's not though, because she won't quit it. 09:20.945 --> 09:22.933 [SPEAKER_07]: And so this last record. 09:23.133 --> 09:24.955 [SPEAKER_07]: How what number of record is this? 09:25.035 --> 09:26.356 [SPEAKER_07]: The letting go came out last year. 09:26.576 --> 09:27.377 [SPEAKER_07]: I've been jamming it. 09:27.437 --> 09:28.338 [SPEAKER_07]: I jammed it when it came out. 09:28.378 --> 09:30.280 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm hanging out, I got my manager and he's making faces. 09:30.420 --> 09:31.541 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. 09:31.601 --> 09:32.202 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm so sorry. 09:32.222 --> 09:33.343 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I don't know. 09:33.383 --> 09:40.310 [SPEAKER_04]: It's hard because it's like we've lost some things along the way because of the transition and whatnot. 09:40.330 --> 09:43.533 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think studio albums and new music. 09:43.593 --> 09:46.415 [SPEAKER_04]: This is somewhere in like number 10 to 12 somewhere in there. 09:46.836 --> 09:48.818 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't really have to go back and look, but it sounds great. 09:48.838 --> 09:50.119 [SPEAKER_07]: Where'd you record this one? 09:50.099 --> 09:57.453 [SPEAKER_04]: We did this at the zone in Japanese springs, and this is my first attempt at producing. 09:58.175 --> 10:03.906 [SPEAKER_04]: So I did with the band, yeah, with the band's assistance, but I'm not gonna let them take credit for it, so I did it. 10:04.544 --> 10:18.158 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, you have an incredible band and I told, I told Paul, I was like, I'm not going to sit there and go show her Joan Carol, the entire hour, but I could because that man to your right is one of the best living guitar players on the planet. 10:18.178 --> 10:22.002 [SPEAKER_07]: And that's exactly how all of the good guitar players feel about him. 10:22.122 --> 10:25.566 [SPEAKER_07]: So I think that you're in get, but the zone is an amazing studio. 10:25.586 --> 10:29.370 [SPEAKER_07]: I'd never been there until this couple months ago, I went there. 10:29.671 --> 10:32.515 [SPEAKER_07]: I've never recorded that, and it's incredible. 10:32.896 --> 10:33.397 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a good place. 10:33.958 --> 10:38.144 [SPEAKER_04]: I think I feel like every studio has got things about it. 10:38.164 --> 10:43.192 [SPEAKER_04]: They're awesome, and wonderful, and you can feel comfortable in any situation, just like any home that you walk into. 10:43.773 --> 10:45.115 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a specific to each person. 10:45.135 --> 10:46.397 [SPEAKER_04]: You're going to say hi, I like my experience. 10:46.377 --> 10:49.341 [SPEAKER_04]: shower look like this or my kitchen feel like this or my living or whatever. 10:49.381 --> 10:52.506 [SPEAKER_04]: So you can find comfort in any studio. 10:52.967 --> 11:04.504 [SPEAKER_04]: It's the engineer and the communication that you have with the engineer and how good they are at listening to what you want to get out of everything and the noise is in the sounds that you can make. 11:04.737 --> 11:28.787 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, the engineer is a really kind of thing that I didn't know was so important until, you know, you get into recording it really great studios, and now I can't mirror the engineer that was on my last record, but I love so much, but I kept doing my scratch vocals and I kept breathing out really hard on you, and I'll go, you, and like every time he would just get a piece of paper, he would write the word, he would like you hold it up through the vocal booth for me to say it. 11:29.138 --> 11:49.122 [SPEAKER_07]: you know like you grant like you you know you and it's just like you because you know but that's a good engineer to like they can hear things that you don't even know that you're doing yes and they are they should get produce a credit I mean to me I'm engineer can make a break up for sure for sure for sure that engineer wasn't there 11:49.220 --> 11:51.443 [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, for me, yeah, we use Pat Manski. 11:51.464 --> 11:59.156 [SPEAKER_04]: He's, he's, he's there at the zone and sort of his place and his, he's the guy, but Kevin's a Manski, he's just funny because we're Pat Manski and Kevin's a Manski. 11:59.756 --> 12:04.885 [SPEAKER_04]: Keith Gattis told me about when when I started recording with him and Kevin's a Manski was the engineer. 12:05.405 --> 12:07.789 [SPEAKER_04]: Keith was saying, you know, he goes, you don't even need a studio. 12:07.829 --> 12:10.333 [SPEAKER_04]: You can record a record in your home as long as you have the right engineer. 12:10.313 --> 12:11.555 [SPEAKER_04]: And we actually did that. 12:11.755 --> 12:18.566 [SPEAKER_04]: The next record that I did after I recorded, nothing left to hide with the Keith was a vagrants and kings. 12:18.926 --> 12:20.589 [SPEAKER_04]: And we did that in my home. 12:21.290 --> 12:25.476 [SPEAKER_04]: And Kevin came over and the band came over, and they set stuff in my closet. 12:25.596 --> 12:31.365 [SPEAKER_04]: All over my house and except for my bedroom, they left my house because so that I could sleep in and be the last one to record every morning. 12:31.886 --> 12:35.772 [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody'd be coming in to the house and I'd wake up to them playing music. 12:36.153 --> 12:37.755 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I guess I better get up and go to work. 12:37.735 --> 12:38.957 [SPEAKER_07]: That's so fun. 12:38.977 --> 12:40.078 [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't know that you did that. 12:40.258 --> 12:43.483 [SPEAKER_07]: I think we kind of didn't really even know that we could do stuff like that, so we'll go with it. 12:43.523 --> 12:47.528 [SPEAKER_07]: And then now we have a home studio that we love and we're getting great sounds out of it. 12:48.009 --> 12:53.216 [SPEAKER_07]: You know, you have to have a really nerdy boyfriend who has great microphones and gear and stuff like that. 12:53.236 --> 12:57.722 [SPEAKER_07]: But now that I found out we can report for free, I'm like, oh, what are you doing today? 12:57.742 --> 13:02.088 [SPEAKER_07]: So it's a, he likes a nice steak dinner. 13:02.268 --> 13:03.349 [SPEAKER_07]: That's what he will be doing now. 13:03.449 --> 13:04.070 [SPEAKER_04]: That's your payment. 13:04.090 --> 13:06.173 [SPEAKER_07]: Free, but it's a steak dinner. 13:06.372 --> 13:07.735 [SPEAKER_07]: like Evan Fancy, right? 13:07.755 --> 13:10.121 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you give him like a waggle or you go to go? 13:10.562 --> 13:11.545 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, don't go too crazy. 13:11.565 --> 13:13.750 [SPEAKER_04]: You get H-E-B with you go to World Market. 13:13.810 --> 13:14.813 [SPEAKER_07]: Pat Manskicker. 13:14.833 --> 13:15.635 [SPEAKER_07]: No, I'm just kidding that. 13:15.655 --> 13:16.537 [SPEAKER_07]: I would never say that. 13:16.557 --> 13:17.439 [SPEAKER_07]: He's probably here. 13:17.459 --> 13:18.461 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't sound like him. 13:18.481 --> 13:20.787 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, Drew's here, and he's still giving you the evil eye. 13:22.167 --> 13:23.409 [SPEAKER_07]: Sorry, Drew. 13:23.609 --> 13:23.949 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my gosh. 13:23.969 --> 13:24.350 [SPEAKER_07]: I can't see. 13:24.390 --> 13:32.340 [SPEAKER_07]: This is very funny because it is very bright up here and the last two days I've been looking over and talking to Kyle and like giving Kyle notes and then I realized that that's just a, oh, step down. 13:32.420 --> 13:32.520 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 13:32.540 --> 13:35.104 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's really, that keeps freaking me out. 13:35.264 --> 13:37.066 [SPEAKER_04]: Like that guy and it's not a person. 13:37.306 --> 13:39.489 [SPEAKER_07]: Kyle's not very responsive today. 13:39.609 --> 13:40.010 [SPEAKER_04]: No. 13:40.030 --> 13:41.211 [SPEAKER_07]: Like not doing a great job. 13:41.231 --> 13:42.032 [SPEAKER_04]: He's very threatening. 13:42.193 --> 13:43.154 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but okay. 13:43.334 --> 13:48.040 [SPEAKER_07]: I love that you did a full link album because we kind of all did for a minute get into the singles. 13:48.020 --> 14:08.387 [SPEAKER_07]: Streaming thing and I love a full-length record that sounds cohesive and was at something that was important to you Or you just had a lot of songs or like leftover money or what We definitely considered just doing a few and we actually truth be told we did record five songs With Justin Pollard and you play drums with with Pat. 14:08.467 --> 14:11.631 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah Justin is producing some amazing stuff right now 14:11.611 --> 14:17.239 [SPEAKER_04]: And we are still holding on to those, and those are five fantastically sounding songs. 14:17.299 --> 14:20.604 [SPEAKER_07]: We're still holding on to them, Justin. 14:20.624 --> 14:21.866 [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, not at all. 14:21.906 --> 14:29.738 [SPEAKER_04]: We have them, and we did that, and then I can't remember how everything played out, but we wanted to do more, and I had like another 10. 14:29.718 --> 14:35.908 [SPEAKER_04]: And so we went in and ended those, and I like actually we recorded about 12 or 13 and we kept 10. 14:36.609 --> 14:37.691 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's what this record is. 14:37.711 --> 14:40.276 [SPEAKER_04]: It's 10 of the best 12 or 13 that we did ourselves. 14:40.756 --> 14:43.160 [SPEAKER_04]: And then we still have another five that we did with Justin. 14:43.180 --> 14:44.422 [SPEAKER_04]: So we're sort of holding on. 14:44.863 --> 14:51.294 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not sure how those are going to go for when we're going to release those as five sort of like an EP or how we're going to do it. 14:51.314 --> 14:55.000 [SPEAKER_04]: But I knew I wanted to put out something full length. 14:54.980 --> 15:01.653 [SPEAKER_04]: that sort of encapsulated the last, however many years it's been, which has been about six or seven years since our last four years. 15:01.673 --> 15:06.402 [SPEAKER_04]: Since our last studio record, yeah, which is thanks, we're trying to do it every two years. 15:07.063 --> 15:14.237 [SPEAKER_04]: And in 2018, we had the last record, which was whiskey and pride, and so we were going to go in in 2020. 15:14.217 --> 15:39.499 [SPEAKER_04]: record again and we were heading into the studio and everything was on target and then COVID and everybody's life just got turned upside down and ours did as well and there was a long period of time several years where we were kind of hoping and praying that we'd still be able to play music for a living that wouldn't have to go back and and do something else that I didn't want to do to pay the bills. 15:39.479 --> 15:41.141 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, I'm telling you that's the same way. 15:41.582 --> 15:54.682 [SPEAKER_04]: So Billy Joe Shaver, he said somebody asked him, did you ever want to do anything else with your life and besides playing music he goes, yeah, I wanted to work in a song mill, and he held his hand up, and he's missing those fingers, and he goes, but I had to fall back on that music. 15:55.583 --> 15:56.965 [SPEAKER_04]: This goes, yeah. 15:56.945 --> 16:05.397 [SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, most musicians, you know, want to be musicians, and they work in a sawmill so that they can become musicians one day and the fall back is the sawmill here at the other level. 16:06.999 --> 16:26.547 [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, I think we didn't end up having so we kept floating every year trying to figure out what, what are we going to do, what are we doing, and we kept being able to make it to the next year, next year, and then things started to get better, and it's to get better and better, it was like the years kept 16:26.527 --> 16:27.869 [SPEAKER_04]: That's kind of what happened, and here we are. 16:28.109 --> 16:29.191 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I love that. 16:29.271 --> 16:35.859 [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I think that what was weird for us is that we make all of, I mean, not all, but we make the bulk of our money toward full time. 16:35.920 --> 16:41.547 [SPEAKER_07]: So, when that went away, it's so easy for you to blink, and then time goes by, and you haven't made a record. 16:41.567 --> 16:45.973 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, you're on the road all the time, but then when that got taken away from us, it's like, why can't go make a record? 16:45.993 --> 16:47.455 [SPEAKER_07]: Because not how we ink them. 16:47.435 --> 17:07.740 [SPEAKER_07]: And then now I feel I just have this feeling that with AI and everybody not knowing what's real that live music is going to be something that's really unique and important again because it's what we've been training for Been saying that for a little while and and I was talking on Jc needy about it last night You know let me think that name up. 17:07.760 --> 17:09.662 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, I 17:09.642 --> 17:34.030 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that it's sort of the last bastion, it's the last thing that we have that's ours that they can't duplicate on my make-as-the-could, but you're coming to the show as the one thing they can't, they can't AI fake, and so it's one of my favorite things in the world that we get to do as everything changed from CDs to digital that took away a lot of, I never really looked at 17:34.010 --> 17:35.051 [SPEAKER_04]: what I did as a business. 17:35.072 --> 17:36.373 [SPEAKER_04]: I never got into it for the business. 17:36.413 --> 17:38.957 [SPEAKER_04]: I got into it for the music and the attention. 17:39.358 --> 17:40.900 [SPEAKER_04]: So I was seeking, I was seeking attention. 17:41.621 --> 17:41.721 [SPEAKER_04]: Amen. 17:41.741 --> 17:45.106 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and our system with insecurity. 17:46.287 --> 17:48.751 [SPEAKER_06]: That's the theme of this podcast, actually. 17:48.771 --> 17:49.452 [SPEAKER_06]: It really is. 17:49.472 --> 17:51.034 [SPEAKER_06]: We all feel that way. 17:51.054 --> 17:53.337 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we're totally insecure and completely stuck up. 17:53.438 --> 17:55.140 [SPEAKER_04]: So, but 17:55.407 --> 18:07.850 [SPEAKER_04]: wanting all that and not really looking at it as from a business standpoint, I was very not smart with my finances and would just spend money whenever it needed it and would make things work and patch it together. 18:08.411 --> 18:14.563 [SPEAKER_04]: And now I look at it from a business standpoint and can look at the way things are going to where we where income streams are and 18:14.543 --> 18:17.347 [SPEAKER_04]: We don't make money selling records like we used to. 18:17.367 --> 18:22.013 [SPEAKER_04]: There's no widget, you know, when we go to record, it doesn't go towards the product that we're going to go sell. 18:22.033 --> 18:26.159 [SPEAKER_04]: And then you make the money back and you have your ROI and all those other words that they use in business. 18:26.840 --> 18:41.260 [SPEAKER_04]: And now when we go to make a record, I consider that to be marketing, to get people to come to the live shows, to play the new songs, and tell the next story of which been happening over the last half of many years has been since it came to a show. 18:41.628 --> 18:42.829 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's exactly right. 18:42.849 --> 18:46.133 [SPEAKER_07]: And that's how I've had to also look at creating content. 18:46.193 --> 18:47.234 [SPEAKER_07]: So it doesn't drive me crazy. 18:47.294 --> 18:52.500 [SPEAKER_07]: Is that I can't ever track probably if this is going to turn into a ticket sale or a t-shirt sale. 18:52.760 --> 18:58.247 [SPEAKER_07]: But perhaps if everything matters, it's all mattering at once, and it eventually will kind of turn into something. 18:58.487 --> 19:01.090 [SPEAKER_07]: But it will drive you a little bit crazy if you dive too much into it. 19:01.270 --> 19:02.211 [SPEAKER_04]: Devils in the details. 19:02.331 --> 19:03.432 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yeah. 19:03.452 --> 19:07.037 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, you have a, well, let's play a song because I actually can play a song. 19:07.057 --> 19:11.061 [SPEAKER_07]: And forever, yeah, yeah, me and choreo 19:11.041 --> 19:13.283 [SPEAKER_07]: Say sorry to Drew and give my hug. 19:13.303 --> 19:14.385 [SPEAKER_07]: Can you play as a son? 19:14.465 --> 19:17.568 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah, Drew. 19:17.588 --> 19:19.910 [SPEAKER_07]: This guitar is not within Armstrong's grasp. 19:20.071 --> 19:22.573 [SPEAKER_06]: There you go, of course. 19:22.593 --> 19:23.915 [SPEAKER_06]: Corey told me to say that. 19:23.935 --> 19:25.636 [SPEAKER_06]: I would never be that mean to you. 19:25.657 --> 19:27.939 [SPEAKER_06]: God bless you. 19:27.959 --> 19:32.344 [SPEAKER_04]: She's just going to get an envelope with some white powder on it later. 19:32.364 --> 19:33.545 [SPEAKER_04]: Where'd that come from? 19:34.646 --> 19:35.507 [SPEAKER_01]: What happened? 19:35.527 --> 19:36.508 [SPEAKER_04]: Where'd we point in, John? 19:38.986 --> 20:06.411 [SPEAKER_04]: How ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya ya 20:12.652 --> 20:22.707 [SPEAKER_08]: Hey, this is Bree Bagwell, and if you want to listen to this podcast early and add free, subscribe to my Patreon at www.patrion.com, backslash Bree Bagwell. 20:22.727 --> 20:30.458 [SPEAKER_04]: So, what's the difference between Scottish sheep herders, shepherd, and Mick Jagger? 20:35.551 --> 20:36.673 [SPEAKER_04]: You don't know that joke? 20:37.714 --> 20:40.177 [SPEAKER_04]: Sheeperter, you know, like a shepherd? 20:40.197 --> 20:42.901 [SPEAKER_04]: It's got it with the difference between the Scottish shepherd and Mick Jagger. 20:43.802 --> 20:48.208 [SPEAKER_04]: Mick Jagger said, hey, you get off, muck. 20:50.632 --> 20:51.994 [SPEAKER_04]: They laughed, John, they laughed. 20:54.217 --> 20:59.684 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, this is the song, my buddy Carl Hutton, and I wrote this together. 20:59.704 --> 21:00.645 [SPEAKER_04]: We started writing it together. 21:00.846 --> 21:02.588 [SPEAKER_04]: I wrote most of it, but... 21:08.423 --> 21:12.325 [SPEAKER_03]: We're talking about, we were. 21:12.457 --> 21:18.283 [SPEAKER_04]: adding on to the house and they told us we had to move out and that was not the plan. 21:18.744 --> 21:21.387 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I had to pack everything up within like a day or two. 21:21.967 --> 21:23.209 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I was like, I'm not doing that. 21:23.249 --> 21:25.351 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to pay for somebody to come do it. 21:25.371 --> 21:25.992 [SPEAKER_04]: And so they didn't. 21:26.012 --> 21:29.296 [SPEAKER_04]: They came and they were just throwing everything into boxes and taping it up. 21:29.316 --> 21:31.258 [SPEAKER_04]: And they weren't like, weren't even unplugging the lamps. 21:31.318 --> 21:32.899 [SPEAKER_04]: And it was just, you know, going away. 21:32.940 --> 21:35.743 [SPEAKER_04]: I realized there was all this stuff. 21:36.063 --> 21:36.664 [SPEAKER_07]: You're going to pay the stuff. 21:37.124 --> 21:38.105 [SPEAKER_04]: John, call this junk. 21:38.926 --> 21:39.747 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's called the stuff. 21:49.328 --> 22:08.974 [SPEAKER_02]: I said, and I don't want to give you the final things Car in the drive, but the house of your dreams I could fit up all the things you love I couldn't spend my life trying to me 22:12.329 --> 22:39.298 [SPEAKER_02]: Good when the cotton is high You can tell my no way I'm walking I can't deny feeling who's so fly We'll see no in my pocket Oh, but baby, remember when the time's got to We always have 22:42.097 --> 22:43.679 [SPEAKER_02]: Without the stuff. 22:47.926 --> 22:52.212 [SPEAKER_02]: We're back before the kids who runnin' round this place. 22:53.053 --> 22:59.302 [SPEAKER_02]: We took boots and planes, went on and far with occasions. 22:59.342 --> 23:03.809 [SPEAKER_02]: But then one day, a little line rewrote our song. 23:04.390 --> 23:08.155 [SPEAKER_02]: We gave back to the toys, but man, we still had it. 23:11.965 --> 23:39.424 [SPEAKER_02]: One of the cottoners I, you can tell by the way I'm walking I can't deny feeling oh so fly We'll see no one in my pocket Over baby, remember when the times got tough We always had enough 23:40.518 --> 24:02.053 [SPEAKER_02]: Without the stuff Somewhere down the road I see us rocking in our chairs Just sitting on ice tea And talking about the life we've shared And all the stuff is gone Separate the twinkle in your eyes 24:02.911 --> 24:18.507 [SPEAKER_02]: He had us some fun, but this wreck he just can't buy Feel so good when the cotton is high You can tell by the way I'm walking 24:31.193 --> 24:59.800 [SPEAKER_02]: When the times got tough, we always had enough You know we always had enough Without the stuff I ain't saying I don't want to give you the fine 25:09.888 --> 25:11.470 [SPEAKER_07]: That is one of my favorites on that record. 25:11.690 --> 25:13.232 [SPEAKER_07]: That song is my favorite on that record. 25:13.252 --> 25:15.455 [SPEAKER_04]: But that song word, the stuff. 25:15.475 --> 25:16.556 [SPEAKER_07]: No, no, yeah. 25:16.576 --> 25:17.377 [SPEAKER_07]: That song, that song. 25:17.497 --> 25:18.499 [SPEAKER_04]: There's a song called, that song. 25:18.699 --> 25:19.920 [SPEAKER_07]: That song, that song, that song. 25:19.940 --> 25:23.265 [SPEAKER_04]: That song is, that song is, this song, this is confusing, isn't it? 25:23.525 --> 25:24.146 [SPEAKER_07]: Who's on fourth? 25:24.666 --> 25:27.009 [SPEAKER_07]: My little minty for Marbridge. 25:27.350 --> 25:28.551 [SPEAKER_07]: She's my friend. 25:28.771 --> 25:30.934 [SPEAKER_07]: She called me, she goes, things are crazy around here. 25:30.994 --> 25:32.436 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like who's on fourth? 25:32.602 --> 25:34.785 [SPEAKER_07]: It was just a diggy music. 25:34.805 --> 25:35.486 [SPEAKER_07]: It's my favorite. 25:36.066 --> 25:50.625 [SPEAKER_07]: But that record sounds very choreomer to me, like, it makes sense to me that you self-produced it, because do you feel that it is very much you, like, in all sense of, it's very well-rounded? 25:51.225 --> 25:53.108 [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, thanks. 25:53.128 --> 25:57.253 [SPEAKER_04]: And I can tell me more if you... Well, I appreciate you knowing that there's a sound. 25:57.273 --> 26:01.258 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, that's obviously something you're trying to do, 26:01.238 --> 26:11.393 [SPEAKER_04]: get into this and do this for living and you want there to be something that sounds like you and as the years go on, people would be able to identify, oh that's whether they like it or they don't like it, they can identify it. 26:12.074 --> 26:23.871 [SPEAKER_04]: And I feel like going back and listening to the old stuff that it does feel more, more like me and I think that just the simple fact that I had my hand in the whole thing producing it, 26:23.851 --> 26:28.458 [SPEAKER_04]: and wanting to make sure that everything was sending exactly the way that I was hearing it in my head. 26:29.119 --> 26:36.150 [SPEAKER_04]: And over the years, I talked a little bit about this day, Lloyd Mains was such a great inspiration, such a great mentor, to teach us. 26:36.872 --> 26:41.539 [SPEAKER_04]: He produced so many of the records of all the Texas Country artists out there. 26:41.519 --> 26:54.270 [SPEAKER_04]: Pat Green, Roger Crayer, Kim Faller, I think, and anyway, just a ton of us, and he helped teach me how to speak to musicians because they speak language. 26:54.331 --> 27:11.526 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm more of an entertainer than a musician, and so I don't necessarily speak their language, and I speak in people pop, and they sometimes 27:11.506 --> 27:28.255 [SPEAKER_04]: He taught me how to speak to the musicians and get across what was in up here out and so that they could play it and and what I was hearing And that's been that's been sort of the game changer and so this was the first Attempt at it and I'm glad you feel like it it sounds like that. 27:28.275 --> 27:37.210 [SPEAKER_04]: I let my my kids were listening to some of the older stuff And they tell me they said daddy you're new stuff doesn't it just doesn't sound the same I was like, well, do you 27:37.460 --> 27:38.061 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you not like it? 27:38.121 --> 27:39.222 [SPEAKER_04]: No, it's not that we don't like it. 27:39.662 --> 27:40.543 [SPEAKER_04]: We just think it's different. 27:41.204 --> 27:42.365 [SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, was it different bad? 27:42.425 --> 27:43.426 [SPEAKER_04]: No, it's just different. 27:43.827 --> 27:44.808 [SPEAKER_04]: But we like the old stuff better. 27:45.508 --> 27:48.011 [SPEAKER_04]: So, okay, cool. 27:48.832 --> 27:52.636 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, yeah, and you're always trying to, you know, pivot or keep up word. 27:53.116 --> 27:53.777 [SPEAKER_07]: You know, I don't. 27:53.937 --> 27:57.041 [SPEAKER_07]: You can't write the same beer drinking song 85 times in a row. 27:57.061 --> 28:05.289 [SPEAKER_07]: And I mean, I'm about to release a song about getting older and how as a woman, it's different for me that it is for my boyfriend. 28:05.309 --> 28:07.011 [SPEAKER_07]: And I think that's an important song to write. 28:06.991 --> 28:31.750 [SPEAKER_07]: So it's kind of like having that freedom to be able to write the kind of songs and release the kind of songs that you want to write and release is the most beautiful thing and I'm I have not found a manager that is last but that is let me kind of do that so that's like what is your team looks like right now you have management that's great obviously giving you the freedom to record the type of art that you want to record that's 28:31.730 --> 28:32.311 [SPEAKER_07]: Lucky. 28:32.351 --> 28:33.893 [SPEAKER_07]: Right? 28:33.953 --> 28:38.138 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm sure you had all kinds of different watch there in like a big fight right now and it's really awkward. 28:38.178 --> 28:38.478 [SPEAKER_07]: Okay. 28:38.498 --> 28:41.302 [SPEAKER_07]: Are you? 28:41.322 --> 28:41.622 [SPEAKER_04]: Right. 28:41.702 --> 28:42.003 [SPEAKER_04]: Sweet. 28:43.785 --> 28:55.479 [SPEAKER_04]: I've been my management and I have been working together for 10 years now and it's been the best relationship that I've ever had in that capacity and also that become my best friends. 28:55.660 --> 28:59.965 [SPEAKER_04]: And so we walk through life, we do life together, we we've 28:59.945 --> 29:15.895 [SPEAKER_04]: all of the Lord and so that's been like the mainstay, the heart of the whole things is Jesus and so that's like the foundation of everything that we do and being able to get together on the phone and talk about our faith and talk about family and talk about fatherhood and marriage and all these 29:16.111 --> 29:19.915 [SPEAKER_04]: things that are so crucial to our lives and filtering it all through our faith. 29:20.655 --> 29:26.041 [SPEAKER_04]: And then walking into what is going on in the business has been just a beautiful, beautiful blessing. 29:26.461 --> 29:27.262 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's very, very wrong. 29:27.282 --> 29:29.004 [SPEAKER_07]: My last manager did not love Jesus. 29:29.024 --> 29:32.067 [SPEAKER_07]: Remember him, Kyle, he might have been the devil himself. 29:32.207 --> 29:32.908 [SPEAKER_07]: I don't even know. 29:33.768 --> 29:35.810 [SPEAKER_07]: Have you ever had a publishing deal? 29:36.291 --> 29:37.752 [SPEAKER_07]: Or have you ever been anything like that? 29:37.852 --> 29:44.599 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I have a story where I went into a publishing office and brought my first record. 29:44.579 --> 29:56.045 [SPEAKER_04]: It was, it was had, first song was the preacher and I gave it to them and they put it in and they listened to about ten seconds of it and then handed it back to me and said there are too many words. 29:56.546 --> 29:57.187 [SPEAKER_07]: Ten seconds. 29:57.327 --> 29:58.450 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, for real. 29:58.550 --> 30:02.098 [SPEAKER_04]: And she's like she's like, oh, it's too many words and I driven all the way to Nashville. 30:02.652 --> 30:06.498 [SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, you know, I'm gonna listen to another song she's now. 30:06.699 --> 30:09.403 [SPEAKER_04]: I said, but there's, how about this, I'll just listen to one more. 30:09.423 --> 30:11.667 [SPEAKER_04]: She goes, okay, I don't really need you, but okay. 30:11.687 --> 30:14.612 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, so she played 10 seconds of another song. 30:14.632 --> 30:16.595 [SPEAKER_04]: She goes, yeah, it's just nothing we can work with. 30:17.176 --> 30:17.817 [SPEAKER_04]: So okay, cool. 30:17.877 --> 30:21.684 [SPEAKER_04]: So I went home and we said, you know, I wrote Nashville blues. 30:21.704 --> 30:21.804 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 30:21.824 --> 30:23.326 [SPEAKER_04]: And then that turned into Nashville sucks. 30:23.487 --> 30:24.609 [SPEAKER_04]: And we made t-shirts out of it. 30:25.951 --> 30:26.652 [SPEAKER_04]: And, um, 30:27.948 --> 30:30.891 [SPEAKER_04]: I never said Nashville sucks, I don't think. 30:30.911 --> 30:33.013 [SPEAKER_04]: And then it didn't say that in the song anywhere. 30:33.513 --> 30:36.676 [SPEAKER_04]: And then people just started chanting it and I was like, oh yeah, yeah, it does. 30:36.716 --> 30:37.537 [SPEAKER_04]: I kind of feel that way too. 30:38.097 --> 30:43.902 [SPEAKER_04]: So it was just the idea of that lady just going, I don't need you, not good enough. 30:44.022 --> 30:48.527 [SPEAKER_04]: And so, I'm a feeling that's and so making the t-shirt made sense because retaliation and all. 30:48.967 --> 30:54.412 [SPEAKER_04]: And so, then 10 years later, I go back up there to the same publishing company to go right with somebody. 30:54.432 --> 30:55.273 [SPEAKER_04]: And she's like, are you? 30:55.773 --> 30:57.955 [SPEAKER_04]: Aren't you the guy I would that Nashville sucks guy 30:57.935 --> 31:02.384 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, she's like, yeah, nobody's, they can't write with you today. 31:02.464 --> 31:03.045 [SPEAKER_04]: He's busy. 31:03.266 --> 31:05.009 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just like, oh, cool. 31:05.069 --> 31:06.232 [SPEAKER_04]: That's twice in a lifetime. 31:07.414 --> 31:07.915 [SPEAKER_07]: Same lady. 31:08.536 --> 31:08.957 [SPEAKER_04]: Probably. 31:08.997 --> 31:10.079 [SPEAKER_04]: What's her name? 31:10.139 --> 31:11.001 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe a good story. 31:11.041 --> 31:12.324 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's talk about it on that journey. 31:12.344 --> 31:15.049 [SPEAKER_04]: It probably isn't, but I'm going to tell the story that way. 31:15.147 --> 31:15.688 [SPEAKER_07]: Now that's fine. 31:15.728 --> 31:17.771 [SPEAKER_07]: I've had all kinds of weird things. 31:17.831 --> 31:23.520 [SPEAKER_07]: I had a two different record labels that were talking, you know, how they talk about you, like you're not in the room. 31:23.540 --> 31:24.120 [SPEAKER_04]: Like you're not there? 31:24.201 --> 31:24.481 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. 31:24.822 --> 31:29.408 [SPEAKER_07]: And one of them was like, well, I was 25, 26 years in the wardrobe. 31:29.989 --> 31:31.091 [SPEAKER_07]: How to make four drew shirts. 31:31.912 --> 31:36.699 [SPEAKER_07]: And he said, I'm not going to put 50, 100 grand into her, and she's going to go off and get married and pregnant. 31:36.779 --> 31:38.442 [SPEAKER_07]: And I was like, hello, I'm right here. 31:38.482 --> 31:39.944 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm sitting right here. 31:39.964 --> 31:43.129 [SPEAKER_07]: And I was too old at 26 when I went to Nashville. 31:43.109 --> 31:53.723 [SPEAKER_07]: I think, you know, the thing about what you did and what you have done for people like me is that, you know, a lot of times it was like, you need to just go to, you need to go to Nashville. 31:53.743 --> 31:54.444 [SPEAKER_07]: That's what you have to do. 31:54.624 --> 32:10.905 [SPEAKER_07]: And then I'm watching, I'm growing up and I'm, you know, gathering data about these people that are playing these rooms and I'm going to watch you guys play and I'm watching you sell Nashville sex t-shirts and I'm watching you, you know, sell out these rooms and 32:11.240 --> 32:18.294 [SPEAKER_07]: not to be weird about it, but you guys have really paved that path to create a job for the rest of us to come up. 32:18.314 --> 32:27.392 [SPEAKER_07]: The rest of us really young people to come up behind you in like make money when Nashville tells us no, which it happens. 32:27.372 --> 32:33.521 [SPEAKER_07]: A million times a day, but that doesn't mean that you have to throw in the towel, right? 32:33.541 --> 32:38.227 [SPEAKER_07]: There's other options, and that's maybe hitting the road hard, and which is not an easy thing to do. 32:38.548 --> 32:47.721 [SPEAKER_07]: We've all been doing it for a long time, but without you guys kind of kicking down that door and opening up these opportunities, people like me wouldn't have a job, so I just want to say thank you. 32:47.821 --> 32:50.865 [SPEAKER_04]: Very sweet to say that, and 10% just send that on in. 32:50.845 --> 32:53.989 [SPEAKER_07]: 10% is zero, still zero, still zero. 32:54.009 --> 32:54.550 [SPEAKER_07]: I just get it. 32:54.810 --> 32:55.991 [SPEAKER_04]: Love it out of a turn up now. 32:56.252 --> 32:58.715 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, I think that's very sweet. 32:58.735 --> 33:05.323 [SPEAKER_04]: I think hopefully what comes across in what any of us are doing is that we love this. 33:05.363 --> 33:12.672 [SPEAKER_04]: We love being able to get a parent play music and tell stories and sing songs and share our perspective of life in the different ways. 33:12.892 --> 33:19.941 [SPEAKER_04]: You don't want to keep writing drinking stories or you can only say I love you in so many different ways. 33:19.921 --> 33:33.694 [SPEAKER_04]: It's good to keep trying to express these things that we go through these pieces of life that we all get to share and express it in a way that comes from you, from your heart, from your mind, from your lips, and your vocabulary. 33:34.215 --> 33:36.681 [SPEAKER_04]: And it might resonate a little differently with somebody in the room. 33:36.661 --> 33:41.492 [SPEAKER_04]: And connecting with everybody, and that's why the live shows are so amazing. 33:41.532 --> 33:46.965 [SPEAKER_04]: It's being able to connect I to I with people, and I love going to the merch table after the show. 33:47.005 --> 33:52.898 [SPEAKER_04]: For me, the connection with everybody who's coming to see us, because we can't do it without them. 33:52.878 --> 34:09.250 [SPEAKER_04]: That's like all of it for me, I leave the house because I got five little kids in a beautiful life and a dog that terrorizes the UPS man And if I'm gonna leave the house and leave them and go on the road for 24 to 48 or however many hours 34:09.230 --> 34:22.062 [SPEAKER_04]: I want to make sure I'm doing it for something noble and good, and so I've been inspired to go out and share the name of Jesus from the stages real quick. 34:22.762 --> 34:39.017 [SPEAKER_04]: Just tell people that they're loved, and that's who it is, and then say I'll be at the much table after the show, and then just go hang out and wait and see who wants to come up and talk about it, or they don't even have to talk about that, but I just love meeting 34:38.997 --> 34:45.431 [SPEAKER_04]: you know here in town in a room and and is willing to pay for me to keep playing golf. 34:47.536 --> 34:47.776 [SPEAKER_07]: Amen. 34:47.796 --> 34:48.999 [SPEAKER_07]: Do you want to play another song? 34:50.161 --> 34:51.304 [SPEAKER_07]: Wait, are you a good golfer? 34:52.426 --> 34:53.008 [SPEAKER_07]: Here's a thing. 34:53.328 --> 34:57.377 [SPEAKER_04]: I got to tell you one more thing before you play this song about insecurity and racism. 34:58.927 --> 35:00.169 [SPEAKER_07]: Let me tell you about me. 35:00.789 --> 35:10.742 [SPEAKER_07]: Well, just every time that they have these golf tournaments, you know, they have these celebrity golf tournaments, they always put me at like, whole number eight, handing out shots, or whatever, or doing something like that. 35:11.162 --> 35:17.751 [SPEAKER_07]: And I'm like, I've seen I feel bad about it because I see everyone come through and some of y'all are really good golfers. 35:18.191 --> 35:20.494 [SPEAKER_07]: Some of them are really way worse than me by a lot. 35:20.594 --> 35:22.977 [SPEAKER_07]: So I didn't notice about you, are you good at it? 35:23.767 --> 35:28.752 [SPEAKER_07]: Right, so I do not need to be at a whole number eight, passing out shots at this one, ready to go off time. 35:28.772 --> 35:29.553 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a sandbagger. 35:29.573 --> 35:30.594 [SPEAKER_07]: I need to get in there. 35:31.375 --> 35:32.276 [SPEAKER_07]: OK, that was it. 35:32.416 --> 35:34.458 [SPEAKER_07]: That was, I took one semester of golf there. 35:34.498 --> 35:35.299 [SPEAKER_04]: Let me push you around. 35:35.499 --> 35:38.642 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right, that's right. 35:38.662 --> 35:38.922 [UNKNOWN]: That's right. 35:38.942 --> 35:44.909 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm trying to get tart down a little bit drew with a broken rib. 35:44.929 --> 35:45.029 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. 35:45.049 --> 35:45.569 [SPEAKER_04]: Come on, come on, come on. 35:45.589 --> 35:48.272 [SPEAKER_04]: Whoever's running everything in the middle. 35:49.771 --> 35:52.383 [SPEAKER_04]: It's great to hear. 35:52.404 --> 35:54.976 [SPEAKER_04]: It's hard for him to reach over there. 35:54.996 --> 35:55.056 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh. 35:57.854 --> 36:03.622 [SPEAKER_04]: So the idea of trying to write something that hadn't been written before is the Lloyd Mains of all people. 36:04.103 --> 36:10.732 [SPEAKER_04]: He's been inspiring and helpful, but he's also somewhat pessimistic and he said that every song ideas are written. 36:11.393 --> 36:12.074 [SPEAKER_04]: They've all been written. 36:12.094 --> 36:14.477 [SPEAKER_04]: There's no new song ideas, there's no new musical ideas. 36:15.338 --> 36:23.710 [SPEAKER_04]: And so that, you know, just me often I wanted to just prove him wrong and I don't know that we did, but I got together with some of these 36:23.690 --> 36:28.880 [SPEAKER_04]: I came up with an idea of a top of my heart instead of the bottom bottom of my heart. 36:30.122 --> 36:35.152 [SPEAKER_04]: So the idea is that your heart is like a pitcher, a beer, or whatever. 36:35.172 --> 36:39.580 [SPEAKER_04]: And the beer is the love, and your heart, your pitcher is your heart. 36:39.620 --> 36:43.207 [SPEAKER_04]: And if you pour all of your love out onto somebody, then they can see the bottom of the pitcher. 36:43.688 --> 36:45.631 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's loving somebody from the bottom of your heart. 36:45.651 --> 36:47.014 [SPEAKER_04]: Supporting all of your love out. 36:46.994 --> 36:49.800 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay, that made sense, and then I said, okay, well, that's flip it. 36:50.662 --> 36:52.626 [SPEAKER_04]: What does it mean to love somebody from the top of your heart? 36:52.827 --> 36:54.631 [SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, we started kind of thinking about it. 36:54.651 --> 36:56.675 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, it's a shallow love. 36:56.695 --> 37:00.023 [SPEAKER_04]: We were just dip your fingers in the beer and sprinkle it on, like your Catholic Mass. 37:01.145 --> 37:01.345 [SPEAKER_04]: Right? 37:01.506 --> 37:03.230 [SPEAKER_04]: And so, it's alright, I'm Catholic. 37:03.390 --> 37:07.078 [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, that's where the idea came from. 37:22.195 --> 37:51.679 [SPEAKER_02]: I can see from the top of my heart It love that's paved with it And there's nothing to lose When you put nothing in I can hear it and back up my mind Those same old voices again Tilling the same old stories 38:02.729 --> 38:15.878 [SPEAKER_02]: This patient love is kind From the top of my heart I've been trying Lord help me find the bottom this time 38:23.300 --> 38:52.429 [SPEAKER_02]: This ground has been till by a love Whose harvest was always enough Now I'm learning to live on the things I know feel me Now I can see from the top of my heart To the bottom was a long way to go In divide is the taste of the love of the carried mass 39:02.146 --> 39:14.282 [SPEAKER_02]: Love time, love his patient, love his kind From the top of my heart, I'm in a tribe Lord, help me find 39:36.183 --> 39:55.018 [SPEAKER_02]: Running out of time, in love his face, in love his kind From the top of my heart, I've been trying Lord help me find the bottom Oh help me 40:28.090 --> 40:31.234 [SPEAKER_07]: If you do, I'd say the song called Top of My Heart already. 40:31.595 --> 40:31.915 [SPEAKER_04]: What's that? 40:31.935 --> 40:32.476 [SPEAKER_07]: I'm just kidding. 40:32.837 --> 40:33.398 [SPEAKER_04]: You already wrote one? 40:33.438 --> 40:35.360 [SPEAKER_07]: No, that joke was four minutes to wait, and I knew it. 40:35.460 --> 40:36.822 [SPEAKER_04]: Did somebody else write that? 40:36.842 --> 40:38.024 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought I was just like all creative. 40:38.124 --> 40:39.166 [SPEAKER_07]: I've never heard that before. 40:39.226 --> 40:39.306 [SPEAKER_07]: Yes. 40:40.167 --> 40:40.568 [SPEAKER_07]: Yes. 40:40.588 --> 40:42.671 [SPEAKER_07]: Great job, and I've heard a lot of songs. 40:42.791 --> 40:44.013 [SPEAKER_04]: How do you myself on the back? 40:44.033 --> 40:44.894 [SPEAKER_07]: I love it. 40:44.974 --> 40:46.436 [SPEAKER_07]: That's not, where's that one now? 40:47.317 --> 40:48.699 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's on another album. 40:48.719 --> 40:50.662 [SPEAKER_04]: That's not, I'm not promoting my newest album right now. 40:50.802 --> 40:52.384 [SPEAKER_07]: I see. 40:52.404 --> 40:53.105 [SPEAKER_07]: No, that's great. 40:53.166 --> 40:53.526 [SPEAKER_04]: Is that all? 40:53.546 --> 40:54.908 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's on the last album. 40:56.558 --> 41:00.365 [SPEAKER_07]: John Carroll is funny faces at you, and I haven't deciphered them yet. 41:01.086 --> 41:06.155 [SPEAKER_07]: Sometimes it's like is he playing? 41:06.235 --> 41:08.119 [SPEAKER_07]: Did he play a wrong note or what was that for me? 41:08.139 --> 41:08.780 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah probably. 41:08.820 --> 41:11.685 [SPEAKER_05]: There's really no talent. 41:12.006 --> 41:16.193 [SPEAKER_05]: I have this severe case RBF. 41:17.335 --> 41:17.636 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 41:17.756 --> 41:18.297 [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you. 41:19.255 --> 41:34.510 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, yes, I could be happy as a clam and just I placed Folky scene I'm in it and I'm in it and I'm my face looks like I hate you, and I'm sorry Sorry, sorry 25 years. 41:34.570 --> 41:34.931 [SPEAKER_04]: He said. 41:34.951 --> 41:46.562 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry Corey always comes up to me on stage I'll just I'll look at the front crowd the people in the front row and go 41:48.854 --> 41:54.160 [SPEAKER_03]: And then John's like, take, come on, he sees me out of the corner of his eyes, like, take on this, he starts laughing. 41:54.820 --> 41:58.424 [SPEAKER_07]: John, about, so it is 25 years that you've been playing together. 41:58.484 --> 41:58.905 [SPEAKER_07]: Six. 41:59.645 --> 42:00.847 [SPEAKER_07]: Twenty, six years. 42:01.708 --> 42:02.128 [SPEAKER_04]: On and off. 42:02.148 --> 42:04.451 [SPEAKER_04]: The whole time, but he took a feature to five-year break. 42:04.831 --> 42:05.111 [SPEAKER_05]: Really? 42:05.151 --> 42:10.757 [SPEAKER_05]: Ah, I floated between Austin and that place that, uh, sucks. 42:10.877 --> 42:12.499 [SPEAKER_05]: That's sort of, uh, you know. 42:12.682 --> 42:13.824 [SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't. 42:14.104 --> 42:14.806 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a wonderful place. 42:14.866 --> 42:16.669 [SPEAKER_04]: It was the, it's a concept, the idea. 42:17.330 --> 42:20.175 [SPEAKER_04]: It's really, it's a personal vendetta, and my feelings were hurt. 42:20.315 --> 42:20.756 [SPEAKER_04]: That's all it is. 42:20.896 --> 42:24.021 [SPEAKER_07]: No, totally fine, I get it, but were you doing session work up there? 42:24.282 --> 42:25.364 [SPEAKER_05]: I kind of wanted to. 42:25.384 --> 42:28.449 [SPEAKER_05]: I was on the road with other people. 42:29.691 --> 42:29.952 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. 42:30.853 --> 42:33.137 [SPEAKER_07]: And you were like, those people are not core moral. 42:33.117 --> 42:59.547 [SPEAKER_05]: Wow, I just, they paid better, but I was in town, and I went out with my brother, we went to have him, and I was in the brush country with a shotgun in my hand, looking around, going, there's this plus, there's ATB and water burger here, and there's not that in Nashville. 43:00.472 --> 43:01.076 [SPEAKER_05]: How would you? 43:01.318 --> 43:03.331 [SPEAKER_04]: Cougar and Cougar and White Castle, right? 43:03.935 --> 43:04.660 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah. 43:04.680 --> 43:05.807 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not the same. 43:05.905 --> 43:10.251 [SPEAKER_07]: And a guy that like, but you're just trying to eat lunch and Nashville and someone comes up as like, are you a songwriter? 43:10.271 --> 43:11.253 [SPEAKER_07]: Or are you a songwriter? 43:11.353 --> 43:12.194 [SPEAKER_07]: What's your email address? 43:12.254 --> 43:13.135 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, who? 43:13.155 --> 43:14.537 [SPEAKER_07]: I think, oh, I just want to check in sandwich. 43:14.618 --> 43:17.201 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, that's how Nashville is for me. 43:17.422 --> 43:21.267 [SPEAKER_07]: I feel like Nashville has changed a lot where, you know, now all the Bachelor of Parties. 43:21.968 --> 43:24.011 [SPEAKER_07]: Everyone looks like they're a singer now. 43:24.251 --> 43:24.972 [SPEAKER_07]: And it's awesome. 43:25.033 --> 43:29.920 [SPEAKER_07]: Because when I used to go there, I just, I felt like I stick out like a sore thumb, you know, like Cabo-hat and whatever. 43:30.380 --> 43:32.403 [SPEAKER_07]: And then everyone's like, oh, you're here trying to make it. 43:32.603 --> 43:33.685 [SPEAKER_07]: It's like, 43:33.665 --> 43:34.186 [SPEAKER_07]: Shut up. 43:34.726 --> 43:38.710 [SPEAKER_07]: And then now everyone looks like they're a country star. 43:39.191 --> 43:41.253 [SPEAKER_07]: So I kind of don't mind going in Nashville as much anymore. 43:41.293 --> 43:42.074 [SPEAKER_07]: My whole team's there. 43:42.494 --> 43:44.196 [SPEAKER_05]: What is the Nashville handshake? 43:45.718 --> 43:49.362 [SPEAKER_05]: Is it, you know, the goal of the back of the back of the day is the Nashville handshake. 43:49.382 --> 43:50.303 [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, hey, how's it going? 43:50.323 --> 43:51.564 [SPEAKER_05]: And there's a demo tape. 43:52.165 --> 43:52.926 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, right. 43:53.006 --> 43:54.647 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 43:54.668 --> 43:55.568 [SPEAKER_05]: What would it be now? 43:55.889 --> 43:56.209 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 43:56.990 --> 43:57.951 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, demo tape. 43:58.100 --> 44:00.326 [SPEAKER_05]: You are code. 44:00.346 --> 44:01.228 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. 44:01.368 --> 44:01.509 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. 44:01.729 --> 44:02.872 [SPEAKER_07]: You're tick-tock handle. 44:03.654 --> 44:03.774 [SPEAKER_07]: Uh-uh. 44:03.794 --> 44:04.997 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. 44:05.017 --> 44:06.381 [SPEAKER_07]: Who's in your band now besides John? 44:06.421 --> 44:07.103 [SPEAKER_07]: Do I know this? 44:07.123 --> 44:07.524 [SPEAKER_04]: Just John. 44:08.286 --> 44:08.586 [SPEAKER_07]: Great. 44:09.589 --> 44:11.153 [SPEAKER_07]: Are you really just doing a Kusik's ever now? 44:12.336 --> 44:12.396 [UNKNOWN]: No. 44:14.114 --> 44:14.555 [SPEAKER_07]: I see. 44:14.695 --> 44:17.098 [SPEAKER_07]: We have a rotating cast of characters. 44:17.299 --> 44:17.960 [SPEAKER_04]: That's just me. 44:18.100 --> 44:19.302 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm rotating cast of characters. 44:19.702 --> 44:22.286 [SPEAKER_04]: We have Michael Terrebe on base. 44:22.306 --> 44:29.036 [SPEAKER_04]: He played with Pat Green and played with Chris Kigl and... And he is a Japanese obviously snob. 44:29.316 --> 44:30.138 [SPEAKER_07]: And I love that. 44:30.158 --> 44:30.478 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, and. 44:30.538 --> 44:31.680 [SPEAKER_04]: Coffee snob, is he? 44:32.501 --> 44:33.402 [SPEAKER_04]: He didn't drink coffee anymore. 44:33.503 --> 44:34.063 [SPEAKER_04]: John and I. 44:34.925 --> 44:37.589 [SPEAKER_04]: And, and, for Drew, John and I and Drew drink coffee. 44:38.129 --> 44:38.590 [SPEAKER_07]: What? 44:38.610 --> 44:39.592 [SPEAKER_04]: No, Drew doesn't drink coffee. 44:39.732 --> 44:41.554 [SPEAKER_07]: John and I didn't even stop drinking coffee. 44:41.755 --> 44:42.636 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he drinks tea. 44:42.751 --> 44:53.007 [SPEAKER_07]: Remember when you brought me a coffee when time at a festival was really tired and there's a story Remember it was so sweet and you were like you just brought me a coffee and then I ran away Because I was like so nervous to talk to you. 44:53.067 --> 45:06.649 [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, thank you Thank you, you're pretty he probably gave you that face Probably concentrating Just a fine-liontering John constipated and concentrating, anyway, so 45:07.422 --> 45:08.945 [SPEAKER_07]: TV is amazing, one of the best. 45:08.985 --> 45:10.287 [SPEAKER_04]: Michael, sir, Ray on the bass, right? 45:10.307 --> 45:10.647 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, right. 45:10.768 --> 45:13.853 [SPEAKER_04]: And then... Taber, Taber, Smith on the drums. 45:14.654 --> 45:19.021 [SPEAKER_04]: And then we have rotating folks. 45:19.061 --> 45:25.893 [SPEAKER_04]: We have a really wonderful guy's been with us for a while now, kind of, mostly on, sometimes off Andy Langham plays keyboard. 45:26.634 --> 45:33.345 [SPEAKER_04]: And then we have a really wonderful couple of little players, really the main one is John 45:33.325 --> 45:52.077 [SPEAKER_04]: on fiddle and he's from the Houston area and he's his cage in his cage and gets in the beautiful thing about him is very much the beautiful thing about John as it's a God-given gift it was there were no lessons it was just picked the thing up it made sense and start playing and watching other people and listening to things and then being able to just do it. 45:52.057 --> 46:05.277 [SPEAKER_04]: and knowing, like, understanding where the notes are and what each one of these strings is and musically, and there's a mathematics to it all, and it's like, it all just computes in his brain, and he can, in John's the same way. 46:05.297 --> 46:06.499 [SPEAKER_04]: The fiddle Jedi. 46:07.080 --> 46:13.710 [SPEAKER_04]: John's a guitar Jedi, so when they're on stage, I feel like, you know, I'm the Patawan, and it's very nice. 46:35.965 --> 46:45.547 [SPEAKER_04]: You want to make sure that, you know, if you're going to have a bad night, at least you're surrounded by people that just generally don't have bad nights. 46:45.968 --> 46:46.610 [SPEAKER_07]: Right. 46:46.630 --> 46:48.374 [SPEAKER_04]: And so you can sort of lean on them. 46:48.434 --> 46:49.817 [SPEAKER_07]: Don't care a lot on his worst night. 46:50.278 --> 46:50.579 [SPEAKER_04]: Right. 46:50.639 --> 46:52.022 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. 46:52.483 --> 46:53.265 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 46:53.245 --> 47:00.133 [SPEAKER_07]: No, not true, and then last, like, I know we've already, like, so over time, but Kyle's giving you this. 47:01.054 --> 47:08.323 [SPEAKER_07]: Kyle's the pirate over there is, like, I just think that, you know, when I'm, I'm played a show with you, Houston Oaks, one time, do you remember this? 47:08.383 --> 47:08.743 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 47:09.124 --> 47:14.911 [SPEAKER_07]: And I think you all just, the twins, I can't remember exactly, I don't know. 47:14.991 --> 47:20.097 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you remember the, the one we did for the, the backyard for the birthday? 47:20.077 --> 47:23.681 [SPEAKER_04]: with Dean Dylan, and the ones on, we each played one song. 47:24.402 --> 47:28.146 [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and we, it was... Well, like, how, what do you remember? 47:28.446 --> 47:31.189 [SPEAKER_07]: What does Bree Bag will play when Dean Dylan's going to play one song? 47:31.249 --> 47:33.692 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, he plays the chair, and then you're like, okay, look at me. 47:33.752 --> 47:35.594 [SPEAKER_07]: I just wrote this stupid song about beer. 47:35.634 --> 47:36.395 [SPEAKER_07]: Like, what? 47:36.415 --> 47:37.697 [SPEAKER_04]: I felt the same way. 47:37.837 --> 47:42.362 [SPEAKER_04]: He said, next to Dean Dylan, like, everybody play a song, and then Dean's Dean's going to play two songs. 47:42.522 --> 47:43.022 [SPEAKER_07]: Right, right, right. 47:43.042 --> 47:44.464 [SPEAKER_04]: And we're all just sitting there, one. 47:45.659 --> 47:47.342 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's what I'm using as long as I'm about drinking. 47:47.422 --> 47:52.292 [SPEAKER_07]: I guess yeah, and then but he was so kind to us And I got to write a song with Dean Dylan. 47:52.312 --> 47:52.913 [SPEAKER_04]: I did too. 47:53.093 --> 47:55.218 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, there's a coolest thing in the world, right? 47:55.298 --> 47:56.741 [SPEAKER_07]: What is going on with our lives? 47:56.761 --> 47:59.145 [SPEAKER_07]: So we get to like have these opportunities, right? 47:59.165 --> 48:00.348 [SPEAKER_07]: You know with what it's amazing. 48:00.728 --> 48:02.672 [SPEAKER_07]: It was amazing, but you had 48:02.652 --> 48:12.351 [SPEAKER_07]: told me about Sherry and just meeting her and how she was kind of helping you write songs and you were, and you were just very encouraging about my life and what I would find. 48:12.571 --> 48:18.302 [SPEAKER_07]: And, and it was really an important moment for me because that I think I was a little bit lost in my life. 48:18.342 --> 48:23.833 [SPEAKER_07]: And now looking back, I kind of know that it's all puzzle pieces that really fall into place when they're supposed to. 48:23.813 --> 48:28.220 [SPEAKER_07]: Um, but you do have a way of you are that you're the most fun person on stage. 48:28.240 --> 48:35.932 [SPEAKER_07]: You have the most fun songs that you have a way of also Really getting in our motions and being like hanging there when I when I've needed it. 48:36.092 --> 48:40.219 [SPEAKER_07]: So I don't need it currently, but maybe someone here 48:40.587 --> 49:04.300 [SPEAKER_04]: I love the conversations we've had, and I've loved watching you grow and become who you're becoming and you're very, very confident and secure and seem very happy and where you are in life and thank you for having me on today and for letting John and even Drew come under the show today. 49:04.651 --> 49:19.011 [SPEAKER_07]: Do you want to close out with one more song and anything upcoming that I'm miss because this will probably out what in a couple Huh, February Any any big Corromo plans please stream the new record letting go. 49:19.091 --> 49:29.245 [SPEAKER_07]: It is just so good It's just such a good very Corromo record and there's there's something for everybody on there and I'm just so proud of you for making a great sounding record that yourself produced. 49:29.466 --> 49:29.806 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you. 49:29.826 --> 49:31.148 [SPEAKER_07]: That's a great job 49:31.499 --> 49:31.940 [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you. 49:32.080 --> 49:33.502 [SPEAKER_07]: But where do we missing Ivan? 49:33.683 --> 49:34.564 [SPEAKER_04]: Ivan, what do we need to do? 49:36.908 --> 49:37.429 [SPEAKER_04]: I just wanted to be a cat. 49:37.449 --> 49:38.250 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's a good idea. 49:39.032 --> 49:39.112 [SPEAKER_04]: God. 49:39.132 --> 49:41.295 [SPEAKER_04]: You can see this white surrounding stuff with good people. 49:41.315 --> 49:42.838 [SPEAKER_07]: That is a fun song. 49:43.078 --> 49:52.213 [SPEAKER_07]: And one more time, can y'all make some noise for coronavirus because, like, and of course, our everyone's favorite guitar player and including my boyfriend's John Carroll. 49:52.254 --> 49:55.078 [SPEAKER_07]: That's a good one. 49:55.098 --> 49:55.198 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 49:55.218 --> 49:56.781 [SPEAKER_04]: You want to sing some of this too? 49:57.672 --> 50:06.321 [SPEAKER_04]: John does his own thing, he has the John Carroll show, and he plays the song in his show, and you want to sing it with me? 50:06.702 --> 50:07.242 [SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't want to. 50:07.863 --> 50:08.684 [SPEAKER_07]: No, you sing it. 50:08.704 --> 50:10.786 [SPEAKER_07]: Wait, you've been doing your own solo stuff at home? 50:10.806 --> 50:11.427 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, he has. 50:11.447 --> 50:14.210 [SPEAKER_07]: He just... Look, this song, this is about me. 50:24.321 --> 50:24.461 [UNKNOWN]: Listen. 50:24.481 --> 50:25.182 [UNKNOWN]: LAUGHTER LAUGHTER LAUGHTER LAUGHTER 50:26.174 --> 50:44.267 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 50:46.475 --> 50:51.663 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so Keith Gadis wrote this song, and I don't know if you guys know Keith Gadis, but you should know who Keith Gadis is. 50:52.144 --> 51:03.662 [SPEAKER_04]: So go check him out, Google him, and he passed away a few years back, and an enormous inspiration on so many songwriters and artists, and just most incredible man. 51:03.722 --> 51:09.130 [SPEAKER_04]: He was just pure beauty and goodness, and he made you feel loved. 51:09.771 --> 51:14.338 [SPEAKER_04]: Every single person that came in contact with him, felt like they were his best friend, and that's just... 51:14.318 --> 51:14.859 [SPEAKER_04]: what it was. 51:15.520 --> 51:24.814 [SPEAKER_04]: But you wrote this song after here in a story about Mel Tillis being backstage at venue and he was apparently he'd gotten really, really, really drunk. 51:25.054 --> 51:26.897 [SPEAKER_04]: And Mel Tillis, if you'll remember, had a stutter. 51:27.598 --> 51:31.304 [SPEAKER_04]: And Coca-Cola Cowboy and some other big hits. 51:31.324 --> 51:36.732 [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, they came back stage and they said, hey, Mel, it's five minutes to show. 51:36.772 --> 51:41.980 [SPEAKER_04]: And he had found this gigantic sombrero backstage where everyone was and he'd put it on. 51:42.040 --> 51:42.621 [SPEAKER_04]: And he was just 51:42.601 --> 51:48.188 [SPEAKER_04]: hammered, sitting there with the stat on, and he goes, will you do it? 51:50.391 --> 52:00.765 [SPEAKER_05]: He says, no, I won't be going home tonight. 52:01.867 --> 52:02.387 [SPEAKER_05]: No show. 52:02.408 --> 52:06.533 [SPEAKER_05]: You see, I got the big handle. 52:08.622 --> 52:13.469 [SPEAKER_04]: So apparently having on the big hat means he hammered drunk, so there it is. 52:16.394 --> 52:35.102 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a whole other story about that. 52:46.372 --> 52:49.834 [SPEAKER_02]: You're shining bright on 53:09.997 --> 53:35.886 [SPEAKER_02]: I got the big head on tonight I got the big head on tonight I got a bungalow at the shed to witness Good to be king I got a silver flash I got girls in back on my long stretch limbo thing 53:46.227 --> 54:05.130 [SPEAKER_02]: Stars shining bright, hardly old I feel alright I feel alright 54:10.021 --> 54:20.993 [SPEAKER_02]: I got the big head on tonight I got the big head on tonight Oh, take it off 54:48.867 --> 55:12.310 [SPEAKER_02]: It's time for the show I'm making friends with the front row I got the big hand on tonight and I'm a feeling 55:34.717 --> 55:57.619 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm flying I got the big head On tonight I got the big head On tonight I got the big head On tonight I got the big head On tonight 56:01.970 --> 56:04.698 [SPEAKER_07]: To court my, everybody, thank you producer Kyle. 56:04.718 --> 56:08.227 [SPEAKER_07]: I have to go run and play a show and then put my big head on. 56:09.411 --> 56:11.436 [SPEAKER_07]: So, Drew, we are so sorry. 56:11.477 --> 56:14.405 [SPEAKER_07]: Q that house music, my friend, I'm so sorry. 56:14.585 --> 56:17.152 [SPEAKER_07]: Don't hate me, okay, bye. 56:17.193 --> 56:17.473 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, bye. 56:17.493 --> 56:17.734 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Drew.