WEBVTT 00:00.031 --> 00:15.829 [SPEAKER_03]: On Sinatra Swing to Brando Stage Maryland's Grace to JFK's A It's Johnny Russo Hollywood's own The teeny Rayman's secrets are shown 00:25.630 --> 00:43.816 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome everybody, it's time for another Hollywood Godfather podcast, and tonight we have a very special guest, and in fact he's my co-author, but before I introduce who he is and you may know him already, let's introduce the beautiful G.D. Rayman of my co-host, then God. 00:44.397 --> 00:50.085 [SPEAKER_04]: Hello, hello, happy Monday, my Monday night, guys. 00:51.938 --> 01:16.343 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm happy to say that I have Michael Benson on the show tonight who's my co-author and we're going to talk about a new book he has coming out and we have some surprises about that Michael Benson say hello how you doing Johnny hey how you doing you look beautiful tonight all thank you welcome to the show thanks for coming back 01:16.593 --> 01:17.654 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks. 01:17.674 --> 01:18.575 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for having me. 01:19.336 --> 01:21.979 [SPEAKER_01]: So much has happened since I was there here last. 01:22.920 --> 01:23.961 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm no my god. 01:24.001 --> 01:27.706 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think you know what I like about it is this book here. 01:28.426 --> 01:32.171 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and be know this man changed my life. 01:32.231 --> 01:33.072 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you know it. 01:34.293 --> 01:35.254 [SPEAKER_02]: He got the story. 01:35.935 --> 01:37.216 [SPEAKER_02]: He gave me this radio. 01:37.557 --> 01:38.558 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the radio. 01:39.299 --> 01:40.160 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the radio. 01:40.180 --> 01:41.301 [SPEAKER_02]: 71 years ago. 01:43.306 --> 01:45.488 [SPEAKER_02]: He gave me this radio seventy one years ago. 01:45.528 --> 01:49.792 [SPEAKER_02]: He sent it up to his niece for my seventh birthday. 01:51.014 --> 01:51.774 [SPEAKER_02]: And where were you? 01:52.535 --> 01:54.677 [SPEAKER_02]: I was in Bellevue for five years. 01:55.698 --> 02:00.383 [SPEAKER_02]: And this radio introduced me to Frank Sinatra, who changed my life. 02:00.723 --> 02:02.064 [SPEAKER_02]: He became my mentor. 02:02.525 --> 02:09.972 [SPEAKER_02]: So I can't wait to dive into your interpretation of this because I know who you wrote the book with. 02:10.137 --> 02:14.745 [SPEAKER_02]: And so with that said, tell us how you got into this book. 02:15.266 --> 02:21.376 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, I met Frank Demario pretty much the same way I met you. 02:21.636 --> 02:35.520 [SPEAKER_01]: Gary Goldstein invited us out to lunch, we sat down and Frank had just written a book all by himself, which considering that he had a six grade education school was cut into his hanging out on street corner time. 02:36.192 --> 02:38.696 [SPEAKER_01]: he had lots of stories. 02:39.016 --> 02:44.845 [SPEAKER_01]: He knew how to tell him, but he had no master of the mastering of the English language whatsoever. 02:45.846 --> 02:48.350 [SPEAKER_01]: And he wrote a book out like me, but I'll go there then. 02:49.111 --> 02:51.274 [SPEAKER_01]: He shot. 02:51.294 --> 02:57.343 [SPEAKER_01]: But but he sat down and put, put, put, put, put and wrote his own book called Lion in the Basement about Joey Gallo. 02:57.704 --> 03:03.212 [SPEAKER_01]: Scare in the crap out of guys with keeping a lion in the basement of their social club on President Street. 03:03.884 --> 03:09.450 [SPEAKER_01]: So Gary introduces us and says, can you fix this book? 03:09.650 --> 03:13.754 [SPEAKER_01]: Put it into the king's English so that people in Kansas will read it. 03:14.695 --> 03:19.319 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, sure, and for flat Reddit, and I feel it's a great book. 03:19.379 --> 03:20.681 [SPEAKER_01]: Even the way it is, it's great. 03:21.221 --> 03:26.446 [SPEAKER_01]: I could see why people in middle America would be able to handle the deez and those, because he wrote words the way they sound. 03:26.587 --> 03:28.128 [SPEAKER_01]: That way, we're actually spelled. 03:29.169 --> 03:33.013 [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes I would have to call him up and figure out what a word was. 03:34.124 --> 03:35.947 [SPEAKER_01]: maybe 15, 20 minutes once. 03:36.608 --> 03:38.650 [SPEAKER_01]: Neither one of us could figure out what the word was. 03:38.991 --> 03:41.515 [SPEAKER_01]: It was Prosudo. 03:41.535 --> 03:42.496 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's who? 03:42.516 --> 03:43.017 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God. 03:43.558 --> 03:45.540 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's true. 03:45.560 --> 03:47.924 [SPEAKER_01]: He had it spelled the way his mom pronounced it. 03:48.004 --> 03:49.446 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was okay. 03:49.466 --> 03:52.871 [SPEAKER_01]: But so I wrote the book together. 03:53.492 --> 03:57.377 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a material interview to his mom who's in her late 80s. 03:57.397 --> 04:01.363 [SPEAKER_01]: And it came out as President Street Boys sold really well. 04:02.288 --> 04:05.834 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was listed as just the added, which is pretty much what I was. 04:06.835 --> 04:09.439 [SPEAKER_01]: But it did so well that they wanted us to team up again. 04:10.361 --> 04:15.649 [SPEAKER_01]: And we started to write a series of books about top gangsters. 04:16.010 --> 04:18.294 [SPEAKER_01]: Our first one was about Carmine Persico. 04:19.195 --> 04:20.157 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 04:20.177 --> 04:20.537 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 04:21.258 --> 04:22.360 [SPEAKER_01]: I knew Junior Well. 04:25.165 --> 04:26.727 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, he and 04:27.770 --> 04:42.087 [SPEAKER_01]: Frank DiMario are enemies they couldn't be in the same room because Frank's dad, Ricky, you know, was one of the guys that shot Carmine, that the time when he spit out the bullet on the sidewalk, that was that was fired by Frank's dad. 04:43.368 --> 04:53.440 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm where we talked about this on the mob candy show and you're talking about how Carmine had a hand that didn't work right and Frank and I look at each other going, 04:53.858 --> 04:54.519 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-oh. 04:55.720 --> 04:55.921 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no. 04:55.961 --> 05:22.954 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 05:23.744 --> 05:27.213 [SPEAKER_01]: and attracted the attention of the president's street boys. 05:27.273 --> 05:31.344 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the first person to Tony Bender was the first guy who discovered him. 05:32.206 --> 05:36.417 [SPEAKER_01]: And from New Jersey, Tony Bender, Tony Bender, that's right. 05:37.219 --> 05:39.525 [SPEAKER_01]: And he, yeah. 05:40.687 --> 05:47.819 [SPEAKER_01]: He became a trusted member of the Galo crew, the president's street boys, and was in on some of the some of their big hits. 05:47.839 --> 05:50.483 [SPEAKER_01]: He was not in on the hit on Anastasia that came earlier. 05:51.004 --> 05:56.533 [SPEAKER_01]: But later on, he was, and he was smart enough not to be a made guy. 05:57.315 --> 05:59.438 [SPEAKER_01]: And so he stayed freelance. 05:59.722 --> 06:20.009 [SPEAKER_01]: And when the president streets went away because of the problems in the in the Colombo family, they resurfaced as the guys who published and distributed screw magazine, which for years and years was a real earner. 06:21.170 --> 06:28.800 [SPEAKER_01]: Disgusting as it was, but you know, for a while you've 06:29.455 --> 06:31.958 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what that book was, but. 06:31.978 --> 06:42.269 [SPEAKER_01]: So, so, and after, after Carmine Persecote, we did Albert Anastasia, we were going to do, oh, I know. 06:44.932 --> 06:47.294 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I stopped going to the park shared in a hotel. 06:47.735 --> 06:58.726 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you know, you know, you know, you know, when happened, you know, when happened, you knew the park shared in a hotel? 06:59.267 --> 06:59.327 [UNKNOWN]: No. 06:59.729 --> 07:06.796 [SPEAKER_01]: And a generation earlier, Arnold Rothstein went to a hard game there and came out with a bullet in his belly. 07:07.376 --> 07:09.518 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, don't go there. 07:10.199 --> 07:17.446 [SPEAKER_01]: The barber shop is now a Starbucks, by the way, I've stood on the spot, and they knew what I was doing. 07:17.466 --> 07:17.967 [SPEAKER_01]: So, what do you want? 07:17.987 --> 07:19.849 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to vent your water? 07:19.869 --> 07:19.969 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 07:19.989 --> 07:23.012 [SPEAKER_01]: And I've looked at the spot where the man had her bit it. 07:24.013 --> 07:26.555 [SPEAKER_01]: So, that one did very well. 07:26.635 --> 07:27.576 [SPEAKER_01]: So, we went on. 07:28.282 --> 07:35.489 [SPEAKER_01]: Carbine D. B. Ozzy, not that a famous guy, but the guy who happened to have actually been the killer of Joey Gallo. 07:36.310 --> 07:38.412 [SPEAKER_01]: And at that time, the Irishman was a big movie. 07:38.933 --> 07:44.038 [SPEAKER_01]: And Frank was ticked off that there was this guy taking credit, taking credit for the hit on Joey Gallo. 07:44.058 --> 07:49.664 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Irishman took so much credit for stopping, happened, even Jihafa, come on. 07:50.725 --> 07:53.968 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I think, no, I don't want to... 07:54.151 --> 07:56.114 [SPEAKER_01]: didn't do any legal difficulties here. 07:56.134 --> 08:01.140 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think the screenwriters talk to the, uh, to the, uh, oh, what's his name? 08:01.160 --> 08:01.661 [SPEAKER_01]: The Irishman. 08:01.881 --> 08:04.585 [SPEAKER_01]: They talked to him while he was perhaps past his prime. 08:05.386 --> 08:09.150 [SPEAKER_01]: And he may have gotten confused when he was telling some of his stories. 08:09.531 --> 08:10.692 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that had happened sometimes. 08:11.233 --> 08:12.615 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're going to fight his life. 08:13.256 --> 08:13.476 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 08:13.496 --> 08:13.837 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 08:13.997 --> 08:14.938 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 08:14.958 --> 08:23.449 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but that was the point of that book. 08:25.032 --> 08:44.526 [SPEAKER_01]: which is a third book with it for right for yeah and I couldn't I could be forgetting one I know we did a lot of carmines oh we did a galante there was now we did we did the cigar which is the story of carmine galante right 08:45.232 --> 08:48.296 [SPEAKER_04]: Is he the guy who's the guy that died? 08:48.357 --> 08:51.661 [SPEAKER_04]: They shot him and then the cops stuck his cigar racket as well. 08:51.721 --> 08:54.105 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's common. 08:54.125 --> 08:56.248 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, that was still in his mouth. 08:56.348 --> 08:57.930 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought we're still in his mouth. 08:58.271 --> 09:00.975 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I don't know. 09:00.995 --> 09:01.115 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 09:01.175 --> 09:02.877 [SPEAKER_01]: It was the daily news photographer. 09:03.819 --> 09:05.061 [SPEAKER_01]: Put the security's mouth. 09:05.201 --> 09:05.501 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 09:06.222 --> 09:07.304 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's the guy, yeah. 09:07.965 --> 09:08.225 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 09:08.245 --> 09:08.826 [SPEAKER_04]: All right. 09:09.937 --> 09:17.367 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was an interesting sight and before I started with all this, I was not a mafia file. 09:18.188 --> 09:27.581 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the movies, I love the Godfather, as you know, I love the good fellows, but yeah, I didn't. 09:29.183 --> 09:32.367 [SPEAKER_01]: I still had no very little about today's mind. 09:33.022 --> 09:38.390 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they take pride in not knowing anything about any living mobsters, ever, ever have good news. 09:38.510 --> 09:40.654 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, they went back on to ground. 09:41.515 --> 09:43.939 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I went on to papers every day. 09:44.540 --> 09:53.313 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, well, no, but my, my uncles who've been involved with 400 years in Prolarmo, they changed all the rules after Goddy. 09:56.178 --> 09:57.680 [SPEAKER_01]: You had to be silent again. 09:57.720 --> 10:00.244 [SPEAKER_01]: It's always, I would, I would think that 10:01.186 --> 10:11.588 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, and having just recently written about Joseph Columbus, struck me is I wonder how Carlo Gambino felt about this, this boy he'd known. 10:12.229 --> 10:15.516 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Carlo was friends with Joe Columbus dad. 10:16.019 --> 10:34.078 [SPEAKER_02]: I got to act on Oliver Street in 1938, and it's funny, you, funny, you should say that because as you know, Tommy Bullardy called me when I was supposed to be at the second rally that Joe Columbus having it, I was on, it's a beyond the day is. 10:34.750 --> 10:50.188 [SPEAKER_02]: And the only reason I'm here, because I called at that time Barry Schlottnik, who he hired to represent a tiny, a tiny, a defamation league, it was very smart to hire a Jewish guy. 10:51.269 --> 10:53.272 [SPEAKER_02]: And I came to Brooklyn to meet with him. 10:54.493 --> 11:04.605 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was supposed to be on the days because for the Europeans that don't know, 11:04.687 --> 11:16.962 [SPEAKER_02]: He got me cast, but I couldn't sit on the dais and the reason why the old man then won me there meaning Gambino because that's when they shot him five times and put him in a coma for the rest of his life. 11:17.944 --> 11:26.294 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, so Gambino takes this kid who he knew from the time he was a child, brought him up. 11:26.494 --> 11:29.378 [SPEAKER_01]: He made him boss. 11:30.269 --> 11:37.221 [SPEAKER_01]: when there were, there were others probably more deserving after after the perfection died and after, uh, probably all could died. 11:38.263 --> 11:48.261 [SPEAKER_04]: But before you didn't die, you're saying, like you got that full causes, so who's the kid that Columbus or excuse me, that Gambino brought up? 11:48.697 --> 11:55.667 [SPEAKER_01]: There was one that Joe Colombo, and he makes him boss of, then becomes the Colombo family. 11:56.027 --> 12:00.333 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the agreement is that he's always going to vote on Gambino side, right? 12:00.734 --> 12:02.135 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how you get to be boss of bosses. 12:02.176 --> 12:04.178 [SPEAKER_01]: The other bosses are subservient to you. 12:06.101 --> 12:18.518 [SPEAKER_01]: And he sits back and I think he must be very sad because he watches Colombo stop being a good gangster. 12:19.460 --> 12:35.604 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe that, you know, Gambino must have been very sad if indeed he was the one who ordered the hit and he must have done it with a heavy heart because the two had a history. 12:36.826 --> 12:36.906 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 12:37.147 --> 12:37.367 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 12:39.035 --> 12:48.029 [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, it's funny because as I pointed out he went that radio, that's how early I learned about my alcohol call. 12:48.770 --> 12:50.853 [SPEAKER_02]: Because we were hired to call a Michael on the street. 12:51.875 --> 12:53.277 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I record, so I am. 12:53.598 --> 12:58.225 [SPEAKER_02]: You had to give him the respect and go over and kiss his hand if he let you. 12:58.407 --> 13:01.611 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes you would, sometimes you wouldn't was like, I didn't move any of that. 13:02.152 --> 13:05.616 [SPEAKER_02]: But I really thought we had the biggest, you know, family in the world. 13:05.676 --> 13:07.478 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's my aunt and Huckle over 21. 13:07.538 --> 13:07.818 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 13:08.439 --> 13:09.420 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm all very straight. 13:12.244 --> 13:13.685 [SPEAKER_04]: So who took over after? 13:13.866 --> 13:18.191 [SPEAKER_04]: So Gambino gave it to Jockel and Bo, and then Jockel and Bo was killed. 13:18.692 --> 13:19.793 [SPEAKER_04]: My following this, right? 13:21.014 --> 13:21.575 [SPEAKER_02]: You are. 13:22.256 --> 13:22.676 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 13:22.857 --> 13:23.357 [SPEAKER_04]: No cover. 13:23.537 --> 13:24.398 [SPEAKER_02]: But he wasn't killed. 13:24.418 --> 13:26.060 [SPEAKER_02]: He was put in a coma for five years. 13:26.080 --> 13:27.402 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, for, yeah. 13:27.483 --> 13:28.885 [SPEAKER_04]: So then who was in charge? 13:30.146 --> 13:31.448 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's a few people. 13:32.570 --> 13:35.694 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, eventually it's going to be Carmine Perseica. 13:35.714 --> 13:41.702 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there, there are, because Colombo doesn't die for seven years, what is only his thumb twitches. 13:41.722 --> 13:43.964 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Tom, I took over to go for the family of Rennett. 13:44.145 --> 13:46.007 [SPEAKER_01]: He was like, fuck, he's really Bosch now. 13:46.087 --> 13:50.413 [SPEAKER_01]: And they were acting, they were acting bosses that weren't really in charge. 13:51.174 --> 13:52.916 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 13:52.936 --> 13:57.422 [SPEAKER_01]: And those names escaped me right now. 13:57.537 --> 14:19.224 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was, um, anyway, so yeah, then if that is the we go into the Percicle era, and that, that, uh, that last until fairly recently, you know, when the Percicle book came out, his granddaughter squawked, we're going to sue, you can't say that he never killed anybody. 14:19.264 --> 14:20.466 [SPEAKER_00]: He was never against her. 14:20.486 --> 14:21.667 [SPEAKER_00]: We're just going to sue you. 14:21.687 --> 14:23.410 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to owe your publishing company. 14:24.331 --> 14:24.591 [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, 14:25.685 --> 14:35.537 [SPEAKER_01]: the legal staff at our publisher, Kensington, freaked out and they called me up and I said, well, give me a night, I'll get together, I brief for you. 14:36.238 --> 14:48.874 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, well, when I first had the idea of writing about the protocol, I wrote to him and I said, you know, dear, you know, I think I believe like all the Mr. Persica. 14:49.208 --> 14:51.170 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, I want to write a book about you. 14:51.371 --> 14:55.916 [SPEAKER_01]: If you have objections, I'd like to know now so that we avoid unpleasantness later. 14:57.357 --> 15:03.264 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'd like to write a lot about when you were a kid, because I know you were the leader of the Garfield Boys. 15:03.324 --> 15:07.710 [SPEAKER_01]: I had that huge rumble and prospect part that turned into West Side Story. 15:09.151 --> 15:11.694 [SPEAKER_01]: And we, later, his lawyer calls me. 15:11.714 --> 15:18.422 [SPEAKER_01]: It's this time, Persco's an old man who's sick in a prison hospital. 15:19.955 --> 15:27.063 [SPEAKER_01]: Carmine understands the interest in his life and he has no immediate objection to having you write a book about him. 15:28.344 --> 15:31.628 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, they bought. 15:31.648 --> 15:33.370 [SPEAKER_01]: But there are a couple of heavyots. 15:34.111 --> 15:40.137 [SPEAKER_01]: One is, don't have the book come out this summer because we have a court appearance and we want to be in control of the publicity for that. 15:41.098 --> 15:49.067 [SPEAKER_01]: Two, don't say he's still 15:50.144 --> 15:52.507 [SPEAKER_01]: And the third one, leave his family alone. 15:53.449 --> 15:54.831 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, done, deal. 15:56.413 --> 16:00.058 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, that's the grant. 16:00.078 --> 16:13.878 [SPEAKER_01]: So I said that what I just said to you to the legal team at Kensington and they were, oh God, blessed you, Michael Benson, because by saying he understands the interest in his life, it's a concession that he is who we say he is. 16:14.499 --> 16:15.841 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 16:15.861 --> 16:20.067 [SPEAKER_01]: And so no legal action came about 16:20.587 --> 16:31.458 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, as I'm sitting here, and I've written two books where you are ready, is that how it is a nice Jewish boy like you, right, about the mom. 16:31.899 --> 16:42.549 [SPEAKER_01]: For one thing, I'm a Catholic, okay, why do I think, yes, why do I think Bench and his Jewish I didn't know. 16:42.569 --> 16:47.995 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I did write gangsters versus Nazis, which was about Jewish gangsters. 16:49.038 --> 16:51.742 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, there was a green bomb in my family tree. 16:51.822 --> 16:52.643 [SPEAKER_01]: I could be the reason. 16:53.404 --> 16:54.445 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 16:54.465 --> 16:55.366 [SPEAKER_01]: I married a lawyer. 16:56.147 --> 16:56.268 [UNKNOWN]: Wow. 16:57.209 --> 16:57.769 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. 16:58.310 --> 16:59.251 [SPEAKER_02]: You called with yourself. 17:01.414 --> 17:01.514 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 17:01.534 --> 17:09.104 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you know, when you're going to be a freelance writer, having someone who's making good money, this is a good insurance. 17:09.865 --> 17:15.653 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to do some things that wouldn't be able to do if you know, I'd had a wife I had to pay for. 17:16.392 --> 17:19.958 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, instead for a while she paid for me, now we pay for each other. 17:19.978 --> 17:20.899 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's fantastic. 17:20.919 --> 17:23.704 [SPEAKER_01]: We just had a wear at $30, 9th wedding anniversary yesterday. 17:23.744 --> 17:38.468 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 17:39.072 --> 17:52.609 [SPEAKER_04]: I guess I can't remember them, but because I don't ever see them for long, but I guess see a few commercials that I thought were quite funny, but I didn't have it hurt any of the big commercial talk yet, but 17:52.775 --> 17:58.401 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I saw a little bit of the game and I thought, oh boy, nobody liked to game like that. 17:58.421 --> 18:00.784 [SPEAKER_04]: They're like a bit of a battle, you know. 18:00.804 --> 18:01.545 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know. 18:01.565 --> 18:02.266 [SPEAKER_01]: It's terrible. 18:02.766 --> 18:05.950 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, it's not unusual when people think that I'm Jewish. 18:06.210 --> 18:09.694 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a, I have a, I have a parents that, you know, I have a schnaz on me. 18:11.036 --> 18:13.138 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I, I don't know. 18:13.639 --> 18:21.988 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, and I did go to Hofstra University, which was 85% Jewish. 18:22.407 --> 18:24.190 [SPEAKER_02]: The four years you picked all that up. 18:24.530 --> 18:25.993 [SPEAKER_01]: I had holidays I'd never heard of. 18:26.093 --> 18:26.594 [SPEAKER_01]: It's great. 18:27.215 --> 18:28.076 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been here for a week. 18:28.096 --> 18:30.881 [SPEAKER_01]: They're having some new years I never heard of. 18:31.101 --> 18:32.343 [SPEAKER_01]: It's called Shanaana. 18:33.565 --> 18:34.326 [SPEAKER_04]: That's great. 18:34.346 --> 18:35.648 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's take the quick break. 18:36.209 --> 18:40.416 [SPEAKER_04]: And then we'll get back and talk some more about your books. 18:40.436 --> 18:40.836 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 18:41.437 --> 18:46.606 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're going to take the quick break as Jeannie says and we'll be right back. 18:47.988 --> 18:48.769 [SPEAKER_02]: We're back. 18:49.610 --> 18:51.032 [SPEAKER_02]: How's that fairfess break? 18:51.934 --> 18:55.479 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's a quick one. 18:56.221 --> 18:56.641 [SPEAKER_04]: All right. 18:56.982 --> 19:00.608 [SPEAKER_04]: So getting back into it, when did you start writing books? 19:00.648 --> 19:02.571 [SPEAKER_04]: What's your, how long have you been at this? 19:02.711 --> 19:03.753 [SPEAKER_04]: Just been your whole career? 19:04.434 --> 19:07.639 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I wanted to be a writer from the time I was a kid. 19:08.220 --> 19:14.470 [SPEAKER_01]: Think the first time I was on, I gave the origin story about my baby sitter and her friend were murdered when I was nine. 19:14.922 --> 19:19.867 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I went, I'd be taught myself to write about crime, so they could investigate it. 19:20.288 --> 19:26.534 [SPEAKER_01]: And then when I got good enough, I went back to my hometown, teamed up with a mom, one of the victims, and a private detective. 19:27.175 --> 19:30.638 [SPEAKER_01]: And we brought the case to a satisfying conclusion. 19:31.379 --> 19:35.283 [SPEAKER_01]: Which still, yeah, the devil, a genacy junction, got by it. 19:36.144 --> 19:38.326 [SPEAKER_01]: And that, that's how I started. 19:38.426 --> 19:41.149 [SPEAKER_01]: And then after that, I wrote about other psycho killers. 19:42.563 --> 19:48.733 [SPEAKER_01]: And TV kind of wiped out the the true crime section of the bookstore. 19:49.654 --> 19:53.520 [SPEAKER_01]: There are now there's now three different channels that for 24 hours a day they show. 19:54.281 --> 19:56.966 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, adaptations of the books are written. 19:57.006 --> 19:59.650 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, which is why I'm doing TV all week. 20:00.050 --> 20:01.412 [SPEAKER_01]: For you. 20:01.432 --> 20:03.376 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 20:03.396 --> 20:07.542 [SPEAKER_01]: But so that's how they switched me to mob stuff. 20:07.893 --> 20:14.722 [SPEAKER_01]: did that by introducing me to Frank Demodio, who had stories to tell, but wasn't completely equipped to tell them. 20:14.742 --> 20:15.823 [SPEAKER_04]: That's fantastic. 20:16.444 --> 20:18.627 [SPEAKER_02]: Frank Demodio, I met him really on. 20:19.287 --> 20:20.289 [SPEAKER_02]: He, you know, it's so funny. 20:20.309 --> 20:23.112 [SPEAKER_02]: I had two covers of magazines in my life. 20:23.593 --> 20:27.878 [SPEAKER_02]: The first one was Mad Magazine, and the other one was Mob Candy. 20:28.619 --> 20:29.961 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how my life was going. 20:30.682 --> 20:35.588 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh 20:36.327 --> 20:38.290 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the name of Frank's magazine yet. 20:39.131 --> 20:39.832 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so sure. 20:39.872 --> 20:41.694 [SPEAKER_01]: It's huge. 20:42.416 --> 20:45.340 [SPEAKER_01]: The candy are our beautiful women. 20:46.301 --> 20:46.762 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it. 20:47.843 --> 20:50.146 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no, it's my own stories and pretty girls. 20:50.547 --> 20:51.468 [SPEAKER_04]: Pretty chance. 20:51.488 --> 20:55.654 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I'd like an opportunity for if I could talk about this. 20:56.275 --> 20:56.555 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 20:57.216 --> 20:59.519 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a book I wrote all by myself. 20:59.620 --> 21:00.681 [SPEAKER_01]: I do that sometimes. 21:00.914 --> 21:01.475 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow. 21:02.277 --> 21:10.778 [SPEAKER_01]: I wrote a couple of years ago called gangsters, but I don't think this is called, well, I'm a lot of people watching on film. 21:10.798 --> 21:12.662 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why they listen to it. 21:13.182 --> 21:13.643 [SPEAKER_01]: There it is. 21:14.184 --> 21:22.558 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, a few years ago, I wrote a book called gangsters versus Nazis about Jewish gangsters who, uh, Myerlantsky, you know my wife. 21:23.219 --> 21:36.000 [SPEAKER_01]: He used to, he used to go around the German-American Bun meetings and beat up Nazis and, uh, it kept kept the Nazi movement in America underground until Pearl Harbor and everybody was on board with, with the United States. 21:35.980 --> 21:44.828 [SPEAKER_01]: So that book did really well, and it's being made into a documentary film to be directed by Bruce David Klein of Atlas Media. 21:45.129 --> 21:48.812 [SPEAKER_01]: He's an Emmy winner, just did a documentary on Liza Manelli. 21:49.533 --> 21:50.033 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh wow. 21:50.133 --> 21:50.474 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 21:51.174 --> 21:52.195 [SPEAKER_01]: Blue Gianni knows. 21:52.916 --> 21:57.100 [SPEAKER_01]: So that action that works now, that's in the works now, there, that's in production. 21:57.160 --> 21:57.360 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 21:57.941 --> 21:59.322 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's fine. 21:59.342 --> 21:59.722 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine. 21:59.742 --> 22:02.545 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm officially an executive producer for the first time in my life. 22:02.778 --> 22:04.300 [SPEAKER_04]: Congratulations. 22:04.320 --> 22:04.981 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's up. 22:05.001 --> 22:07.465 [SPEAKER_01]: So Kensington says, well, what are you going to do for an encore? 22:08.346 --> 22:18.682 [SPEAKER_01]: So I decided right Hollywood versus Nazis because there was no city in America that Hitler wanted more than Los Angeles because of the Hollywood film machine. 22:19.082 --> 22:31.080 [SPEAKER_01]: He figured if he could take over Hollywood and make pronazi movies that were anti-hinglish and that he would turn America's mind to his side without ever having to fire a shot. 22:31.668 --> 22:48.731 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it didn't work out and plus he was, of course, really, really anti-Semitic and Hollywood was the only industry, Hollywood movies, the only industry in America run completely by Jewish men, because they had invented the entertainment form and they didn't like this with it. 22:49.352 --> 22:52.336 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it was only to Howard Hughes was the first gore to get it. 22:52.356 --> 22:55.039 [SPEAKER_01]: That Mickey Calm personally out there early on. 22:56.241 --> 22:59.886 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we have a story about Mickey Cohen in our book. 23:00.271 --> 23:04.542 [SPEAKER_02]: I know, and that's how we got a rate out there. 23:04.562 --> 23:05.224 [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody even knows. 23:05.324 --> 23:07.309 [SPEAKER_02]: Dregal was the boss. 23:07.329 --> 23:07.590 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 23:08.893 --> 23:09.455 [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy. 23:09.535 --> 23:12.904 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just, I was just reading a book about the Black Dahlia. 23:13.946 --> 23:14.668 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, wow. 23:15.762 --> 23:20.546 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I'll tell you, I'm scribbling down all these titles of yours. 23:20.566 --> 23:45.769 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Hollywood versus Nazis, what happened is the Hollywood moguls got together, pulled their money, and put together a team of spies run by a Jewish learning, Leon Lewis, and there are undercover spies that went into the German-American-Bund meetings and the silver shirt meetings, all the Nazis, and disrupted their activities of screened employees 23:45.749 --> 23:57.344 [SPEAKER_01]: I just, with my wife, watched a movie called Mr. Mojo takes a, Mr. Moto takes a chance, Peter Lorraine movie, and the lead actress was Mary McGuire. 23:57.825 --> 24:03.792 [SPEAKER_01]: And she was an actress who crawled into the owner of 20th Century Fox's lab, Joe Skank. 24:04.493 --> 24:06.075 [SPEAKER_01]: And, oh yeah. 24:06.095 --> 24:11.122 [SPEAKER_01]: And she got a partner in a movie, if not a big movie, but a Mr. Moto picture. 24:12.123 --> 24:15.267 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they found out that her fiance was a Nazi. 24:16.073 --> 24:17.155 [SPEAKER_01]: and she's all I never talk. 24:17.515 --> 24:19.118 [SPEAKER_01]: I never talked politics with my boyfriend. 24:19.138 --> 24:20.259 [SPEAKER_01]: It all didn't make any difference. 24:20.740 --> 24:28.311 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you've been in the casting room of the head of 20 Century Fox, you're out of town and she never worked again after that. 24:29.613 --> 24:32.998 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I was one of Hitler's tries to get into Hollywood. 24:33.419 --> 24:36.544 [SPEAKER_01]: You went in through the tender trap. 24:38.066 --> 24:43.134 [SPEAKER_04]: So how did you get to write this book about Hollywood versus Nazis? 24:43.214 --> 24:44.055 [SPEAKER_04]: What made you, 24:44.457 --> 24:45.059 [SPEAKER_04]: Do that. 24:46.965 --> 24:48.129 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there was a Tuesday. 24:48.149 --> 24:53.426 [SPEAKER_01]: I had written a previous book with film director Craig Steven's Craig Steven's. 24:53.446 --> 24:56.998 [SPEAKER_01]: He was pretty good Craig singer. 24:57.400 --> 25:12.861 [SPEAKER_01]: a New Jersey film director, he and I wrote a book called Mongols, which was about the Joe and Nicholas Skank, Dick Skank, Rand, Losing, which, Rand, MGM, and Joe, Rand, 20 such effects in the United States. 25:13.522 --> 25:21.813 [SPEAKER_01]: So between the two of them, they sort of had a, there were more powerful than the Warner Brothers, but nobody knew who they were because they didn't name the company after themselves. 25:22.654 --> 25:23.155 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 25:23.236 --> 25:50.475 [SPEAKER_01]: and they had a night a lot of nice bungalows around fox lot where they kept all the mistresses that's right everybody got that everybody had a fur coat and a minimum contract that's uh... and in Joe's cake was one of the food of Maryland's first friends in Hollywood i love joe i met joe a hundred times in well yeah i said tc it was a good guy right and they loved each other and very good boy and i'd like the guy but 25:51.822 --> 26:01.985 [SPEAKER_01]: After writing that book, Ed Gaetzes versus Dances, I knew that this had happened that they had gotten together their money and had dismantled Hitler's attempt to infiltrate Los Angeles. 26:02.827 --> 26:11.046 [SPEAKER_01]: But then I'm reading history books and it's saying, well, those Jewish moguls, but they were so greedy that they kept running their pictures in Germany. 26:11.026 --> 26:20.557 [SPEAKER_01]: even though they knew the Nazis were on charge and they should have really pulled out earlier and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and I'm going, I can't have this be the history because it was just a cover. 26:20.877 --> 26:22.759 [SPEAKER_01]: They were doing the right thing, not the wrong thing. 26:23.159 --> 26:25.422 [SPEAKER_01]: And Jewish greed had absolutely nothing to do with it. 26:26.323 --> 26:27.925 [SPEAKER_01]: Had to do with saving America. 26:29.947 --> 26:38.957 [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, it's amazing to me because I got to know you in the past few years and it's 26:39.798 --> 26:43.083 [SPEAKER_02]: of that whole world has been your life, basically. 26:45.307 --> 26:47.951 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it started back with the JFK assassination. 26:48.933 --> 26:51.036 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, what was an interesting thing? 26:51.056 --> 26:53.420 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, mafia secrets is all huge on it. 26:53.440 --> 27:04.017 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's your life, but if I lent anything to it at all, it's my expertise in political assassinations, because everything you told me, 27:04.553 --> 27:09.679 [SPEAKER_01]: fit with what I understood to be the facts of the situation. 27:10.180 --> 27:17.168 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, for example, your Johnny Roselli story, shooting from the storm drain, I have been all over Dealy Plaza. 27:17.689 --> 27:27.000 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes up my hands at knees, I once, I once did a tour with a retired KGB agent, we're trying to figure out what happened to Dealy Plaza. 27:27.453 --> 27:49.035 [SPEAKER_01]: the place is a storm drain right in the edge of the triple underpass and there's a ledge this so let's go with the gun through the ball of stride you shoot you go down the hole you're pull the grating in over yourself and the tunnel leads all the way like 500 yards the way you come on on the other side of the expressway in behind a used car lot. 27:49.796 --> 27:56.363 [SPEAKER_02]: He taught better 27:57.406 --> 28:08.313 [SPEAKER_02]: Like two years after he did it, and he said he has that caulk came up right over the windshield, JFK was sitting on the seat. 28:09.576 --> 28:14.267 [SPEAKER_02]: He had them in the scope before Oswald, and they had four shooters there. 28:14.399 --> 28:17.382 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, even Linda Mayn Johnson had a shoot in there. 28:17.683 --> 28:19.124 [SPEAKER_02]: He was not getting out of here. 28:19.144 --> 28:20.425 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to call us, yeah. 28:20.886 --> 28:27.053 [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, I like those shots where you can see LBJ ducking before the first shot. 28:27.433 --> 28:28.014 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know. 28:28.154 --> 28:29.075 [SPEAKER_01]: He knew what was coming. 28:31.157 --> 28:31.938 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my gosh. 28:32.178 --> 28:33.079 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so crazy. 28:33.179 --> 28:33.640 [SPEAKER_04]: That's amazing. 28:33.960 --> 28:34.761 [SPEAKER_04]: That's amazing. 28:34.781 --> 28:37.364 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, so how many books have you written or co-written? 28:38.084 --> 28:44.271 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I've written down a whole bunch. 28:44.521 --> 28:46.263 [SPEAKER_01]: I have. 28:46.484 --> 28:49.067 [SPEAKER_01]: It's between 1680 somewhere. 28:49.348 --> 28:52.392 [SPEAKER_01]: And now all of them are, you know, prideful moments. 28:52.412 --> 28:55.676 [SPEAKER_01]: I was fresh out of college and, you know, working for a pay. 28:55.716 --> 29:04.708 [SPEAKER_01]: I wrote a book called Essential Bowling, which even as I'm writing it, I'm saying, who reads about bowling? 29:06.130 --> 29:11.878 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of Polish 29:12.247 --> 29:15.191 [SPEAKER_01]: You just pick you, but all the ball, you knocked on the pins. 29:15.211 --> 29:18.796 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I wrote a book called, a lot of machine strategy. 29:21.180 --> 29:22.322 [SPEAKER_04]: It was in the park. 29:22.342 --> 29:23.043 [SPEAKER_04]: Did it work? 29:23.063 --> 29:24.825 [SPEAKER_02]: How long have you been with Kensington? 29:27.689 --> 29:28.450 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably. 29:28.470 --> 29:33.057 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, boy, first book for Kensington was what? 29:34.606 --> 29:43.200 [SPEAKER_01]: because some of the books I wrote for other companies that then went out of business and Kensington has picked up those those backlogs of those books. 29:44.162 --> 29:46.005 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say 20 years at least. 29:47.247 --> 29:47.868 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow, yeah. 29:48.429 --> 29:49.451 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they love you there. 29:49.771 --> 29:57.424 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I just talked to James about our and then supposedly going to say, hey, I release on that next month. 29:59.007 --> 29:59.548 [SPEAKER_01]: very good. 30:00.229 --> 30:03.173 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so you and I will have a third book together. 30:03.193 --> 30:08.461 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we have a, yeah, we do have a proposal out, which we're keeping quiet about right now. 30:10.965 --> 30:12.768 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, I did, I'm looking forward to that. 30:12.928 --> 30:15.692 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is our Thursday morning talks. 30:16.574 --> 30:23.644 [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, every Thursday we talk and right to book people thought that, oh, Johnny must be tough to work with. 30:23.724 --> 30:24.205 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 30:24.674 --> 30:27.038 [SPEAKER_01]: I say, Jenny go. 30:27.118 --> 30:28.039 [SPEAKER_01]: He talks for an hour. 30:28.800 --> 30:33.107 [SPEAKER_01]: I have the tape recorder running and we say goodbye in the next week we do it again. 30:34.008 --> 30:35.831 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just, well you know. 30:35.871 --> 30:36.412 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how we look. 30:36.692 --> 30:39.536 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't meet until after the book came out. 30:39.557 --> 30:41.139 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh wow, that's incredible. 30:41.159 --> 30:51.795 [SPEAKER_04]: But as you were talking and you were bringing up names, one of my favorite part about doing the show and me being able to be part of this show 30:52.332 --> 31:22.002 [SPEAKER_04]: and when a guest will bring something up and you start bringing up names and he's like oh yeah oh yeah it's amazing to me because it's it I love how it just brings these things he's so sharp that he remembers all these people and it's incredible because the stories I mean they all go hand in hand just like he's always said but it was it's always fun for me to watch Gianni recognize and go oh yeah 31:22.488 --> 31:29.539 [SPEAKER_01]: If I next book with Frank is going to be on Columbus, so I have a interview with whatever be co-authors for one day. 31:29.599 --> 31:34.747 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be an interviewer and he's going to be the interviewie who is going to tell me about the actual books. 31:35.608 --> 31:35.788 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 31:35.888 --> 31:41.116 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a great, and we'll go over the godfather again because I'm sure there's stories you haven't told me yet. 31:41.797 --> 31:42.218 [SPEAKER_01]: There we go. 31:42.579 --> 31:47.466 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you told me a lot, but I don't know, I will tell you a lot about it. 31:48.290 --> 31:52.075 [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever you want, we're not co-authored with friends. 31:53.336 --> 31:54.618 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right, that's right. 31:54.638 --> 31:55.459 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right, that's right. 31:55.639 --> 32:01.987 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's do another quick break, and then we can talk a little bit more with you, and then not keep you too long. 32:02.368 --> 32:02.808 [SPEAKER_04]: You ready? 32:03.589 --> 32:04.711 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, we'll be right back. 32:05.432 --> 32:12.120 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to remind you that March 26th at Good Falls Restaurant in Garfield, New Jersey. 32:12.657 --> 32:18.023 [SPEAKER_02]: phone number 973-478-4000. 32:19.425 --> 32:22.048 [SPEAKER_02]: Make a reservation March 26th. 32:22.909 --> 32:24.091 [SPEAKER_02]: Good fellow's restaurant. 32:24.371 --> 32:35.304 [SPEAKER_02]: We sold out the last time we're going to sell out this time and for my friends who want to bring their books go on Amazon or to both books bring them I will sign the few. 32:35.584 --> 32:37.787 [SPEAKER_02]: Well I've got for the memorabilia. 32:37.767 --> 32:39.650 [SPEAKER_02]: Be there, March 26th. 32:40.631 --> 32:42.494 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, I'll be at Shilla. 32:42.875 --> 32:49.685 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody in New Jersey, Shilla is April 2nd, 3rd and 4th at the Marriott in Handover. 32:50.226 --> 32:53.631 [SPEAKER_02]: It's Shilla out April 2nd, 3rd and 4th. 32:53.651 --> 32:57.256 [SPEAKER_02]: Handover Marriott in Winnipee, New Jersey. 32:57.417 --> 32:58.358 [SPEAKER_02]: All right? 32:58.490 --> 33:08.478 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the hand over Marriott, April, 2nd to the 4th, I'll be there at Chillout, bring all you stuff, I'll sign it, bring the books, thank you. 33:08.959 --> 33:19.007 [SPEAKER_02]: And I want to remind everybody out there, order Mafia Secrets, Honeywood Godfather, bring them to all the shows I go to, it'll be my pleasure to sign the video. 33:19.748 --> 33:25.693 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for supporting me, thank you for watching, honeywood Godfather, see you next week. 33:26.093 --> 33:28.395 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. 33:29.759 --> 33:31.222 [SPEAKER_02]: More sponsors tonight. 33:32.203 --> 33:34.868 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, our sponsors today. 33:34.988 --> 33:37.433 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, well, I don't want to talk about it now. 33:37.453 --> 33:38.374 [SPEAKER_02]: We're on the fair. 33:38.394 --> 33:38.815 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 33:38.935 --> 33:39.396 [SPEAKER_02]: Those are serious. 33:39.416 --> 33:41.620 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you know, it is good to have sponsors. 33:41.700 --> 33:51.137 [SPEAKER_04]: I did hear one time they did a Lexus commercial and I thought, well, a lot of fairness, they should probably have me driving Alexis around helping from those. 33:51.478 --> 33:52.219 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly right. 33:52.680 --> 33:53.421 [SPEAKER_02]: It's becomeped. 33:53.992 --> 34:00.683 [SPEAKER_02]: What I'm doing now, what I'm doing now, rather than bore the guest, and we do three commercials. 34:01.184 --> 34:02.827 [SPEAKER_02]: I pre-record the bookmark. 34:03.087 --> 34:06.192 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he drops and makes it easier. 34:07.114 --> 34:08.556 [SPEAKER_02]: Now that all our orders... 34:08.676 --> 34:13.344 [SPEAKER_01]: So, Jenny, I didn't know until ten minutes ago that you knew Albert anesthesia. 34:14.726 --> 34:18.733 [SPEAKER_02]: Albert, oh my God, Tony, his brother was my Godfather. 34:19.658 --> 34:21.220 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right, yeah. 34:21.240 --> 34:23.262 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, ran the international long show, Minion. 34:23.702 --> 34:29.208 [SPEAKER_02]: Him and my cellos and him ran every seaport from San Francisco to Canada. 34:29.768 --> 34:30.689 [SPEAKER_02]: Look at that border. 34:31.590 --> 34:31.910 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 34:32.111 --> 34:32.251 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 34:32.891 --> 34:42.001 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'll bet now, but it was, I mean, while I was a little nuts, but Tony was, I found out why he was nuts. 34:42.021 --> 34:43.882 [SPEAKER_01]: He was when he was a little small boy. 34:44.503 --> 34:46.625 [SPEAKER_01]: He was in the big earthquake in Italy. 34:47.746 --> 34:48.467 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't. 34:48.802 --> 34:53.827 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he spent a year of his life where copper just shooting beggars. 34:54.468 --> 35:04.158 [SPEAKER_01]: And there was there was after the earthquake after a couple of days, there was a tsunami that came in and sucked half of the town out into the Mediterranean ocean. 35:04.638 --> 35:08.522 [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, he really saw people getting killed in the streets. 35:09.223 --> 35:18.673 [SPEAKER_01]: So by the time he hopped a ship and came over to America, it still is a young man, life was cheap. 35:19.750 --> 35:27.023 [SPEAKER_01]: And you think other than you're going to die sometimes sooner or later, so why how about now, pal? 35:27.043 --> 35:43.632 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's so funny you should bring that up now, because I compared myself with him when I spent the six years in Bellevue, that's when I came out of 12, you know, I watched hundreds of kids die. 35:43.882 --> 35:45.364 [SPEAKER_02]: I stopped making friends with them. 35:46.386 --> 35:51.193 [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, I wasn't playing stick ball in the street. 35:51.694 --> 35:52.976 [SPEAKER_02]: I was watching his die. 35:53.496 --> 35:57.683 [SPEAKER_01]: So you know, that's part of your strength, Johnny. 35:57.723 --> 35:58.824 [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't go crazy. 35:59.666 --> 35:59.786 [SPEAKER_01]: Right? 36:00.226 --> 36:00.487 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 36:00.988 --> 36:01.789 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 36:02.810 --> 36:06.075 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, who did you say was a little crazy Albert or his brother? 36:07.678 --> 36:08.018 [SPEAKER_02]: Albert. 36:08.639 --> 36:08.939 [SPEAKER_02]: Albert. 36:09.200 --> 36:10.041 [SPEAKER_02]: Albert. 36:10.915 --> 36:12.596 [SPEAKER_02]: No, Tony was tough. 36:12.616 --> 36:14.418 [SPEAKER_02]: Tony was, that's why they call them tough. 36:14.438 --> 36:20.163 [SPEAKER_02]: Tony, Tony ran the international homage union with him and my cellos out of New Orleans. 36:20.183 --> 36:22.605 [SPEAKER_02]: They ran it, one of the biggest memberships in the world. 36:23.626 --> 36:23.906 [SPEAKER_04]: Wow. 36:24.767 --> 36:26.629 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what K got elected. 36:27.709 --> 36:30.792 [SPEAKER_02]: That's one of the big bodies of votes. 36:30.812 --> 36:31.212 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 36:31.233 --> 36:32.754 [SPEAKER_02]: I had, I was traveling around. 36:32.794 --> 36:33.274 [SPEAKER_02]: I was 17. 36:33.294 --> 36:36.597 [SPEAKER_04]: That's incredible. 36:36.617 --> 36:39.960 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you look 36:40.379 --> 36:42.282 [SPEAKER_04]: How long were you in Bellevue, seven? 36:42.483 --> 36:44.386 [SPEAKER_04]: No, five years, seven years? 36:44.646 --> 36:45.748 [SPEAKER_02]: I was going on seven years. 36:46.430 --> 36:56.447 [SPEAKER_02]: I was just turning seven in August 4th, 1948, at the 49th rather, and then I came out after that, but 36:57.254 --> 36:59.658 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, I killed a pedophile. 36:59.718 --> 37:05.508 [SPEAKER_02]: So they moved me from the Bellevue quarantine ward to the psych ward. 37:05.829 --> 37:09.836 [SPEAKER_02]: That didn't make any, that didn't, left an impression to get about it. 37:09.936 --> 37:14.925 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody in the psych ward, the floor is shaped like a funnel. 37:15.783 --> 37:24.672 [SPEAKER_02]: men, women, everybody, totally nude, and this before magic markers, we had a number on our shoulder, on our skin. 37:25.633 --> 37:27.955 [SPEAKER_02]: So the doctors knew who they were observing. 37:27.975 --> 37:45.773 [SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 37:45.922 --> 37:54.371 [SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, you talk about Marlon Brando teaching you how to act by having you in vision things. 37:55.472 --> 38:02.179 [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I put myself in your situation and it wasn't as hard as you might think because I was a sickly kid. 38:02.540 --> 38:03.981 [SPEAKER_01]: I spent a couple years in bed in myself. 38:04.021 --> 38:09.347 [SPEAKER_01]: I was bad asmatic within my room with the machinery going. 38:09.412 --> 38:14.258 [SPEAKER_01]: I had so many advantages over you though, you know, I had a love, I had a loving mom and dad who are there. 38:14.398 --> 38:18.464 [SPEAKER_01]: My friends would come over and visit and people weren't dying around me. 38:19.084 --> 38:31.420 [SPEAKER_01]: Although, there was a sort of a feeling that I was probably not going to make it to adulthood, but surprise, so I kind of got that part, but I had to really, really 38:32.210 --> 38:43.884 [SPEAKER_01]: get deep into my understanding of human feelings to understand how you survive that and came out a rational thinking human being. 38:44.806 --> 38:50.893 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I think that's why that transistor radio was so important. 38:51.754 --> 38:52.816 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God. 38:53.056 --> 38:54.418 [SPEAKER_01]: That was your lifeline. 38:54.678 --> 39:00.445 [SPEAKER_01]: That was your connection outside of the room you were in because you were in hell. 39:01.336 --> 39:05.460 [SPEAKER_01]: And you needed to know that there was a place that wasn't held. 39:05.480 --> 39:07.662 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's why it was fired too. 39:07.683 --> 39:14.489 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you saying it and giving it the true meaning of what it was to me, most people don't know that. 39:14.770 --> 39:20.055 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't just turn the radio on and share my birthday with Frank Sinatra. 39:20.075 --> 39:22.698 [SPEAKER_02]: Frank Sinatra gave me an extension also. 39:23.419 --> 39:26.702 [SPEAKER_02]: If he did it, humble beginnings in Hoboken, 39:27.290 --> 39:32.988 [SPEAKER_02]: he inspired me to do and I did it and I got out and there I am 83 still going crazy. 39:35.014 --> 39:36.238 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's what I was thinking. 39:36.278 --> 39:38.444 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean you set there. 39:38.525 --> 39:39.949 [SPEAKER_04]: I love it. 39:40.638 --> 39:55.746 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you think of kids and I know nowadays Lewis Black is a hilarious comedian and he was talking about CNN or whoever it was you guys gave us ADD because you have something on the screen and there's something going across the top. 39:55.906 --> 39:59.693 [SPEAKER_04]: Some go across the bottom and so much chaos and I just think. 40:00.331 --> 40:14.272 [SPEAKER_04]: You are such a smart person for not going to school that the lessons you learned, you know, you knew how to quiet yourself, you took in what was going on around you and I think that served you throughout your life. 40:14.833 --> 40:25.129 [SPEAKER_04]: And the other thing is you came out of there and have just made taken life by storm, you know, you made every minute count. 40:25.610 --> 40:27.773 [SPEAKER_04]: And I just look at people now and I just 40:28.445 --> 40:33.400 [SPEAKER_04]: There's so spoiled number one, so there's grown people wine. 40:33.962 --> 40:38.195 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't take it, but I just look at that. 40:38.235 --> 40:41.104 [SPEAKER_04]: And I just think some people are such big boobs. 40:41.422 --> 40:43.985 [SPEAKER_04]: And they, and they get, are you kidding me? 40:44.105 --> 40:46.969 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I, I, where I work, people are whining. 40:47.530 --> 40:56.201 [SPEAKER_04]: They, they don't have a good enough humidifier in the air or a air, air, not fresh air, air purifier. 40:56.321 --> 40:57.743 [SPEAKER_04]: And the light's not right. 40:57.763 --> 41:03.050 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, Sam, gun, shut up, you know, they just are so spoiled. 41:03.130 --> 41:04.432 [SPEAKER_04]: And I look at what you've done. 41:04.512 --> 41:07.075 [SPEAKER_04]: And even you, Michael, that, 41:07.426 --> 41:17.889 [SPEAKER_04]: you know, you guys dealt with some truly hard themes and writing right and get so to how to survive anything anymore. 41:18.650 --> 41:20.073 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just so impressive. 41:20.935 --> 41:22.178 [SPEAKER_04]: It's very cool. 41:22.597 --> 41:28.725 [SPEAKER_04]: I love hearing both your stories, and I think boy, that's people, kids need to hear your stories. 41:28.745 --> 41:32.990 [SPEAKER_04]: They wouldn't even know what to do with themselves, you know, if they had any time left. 41:33.010 --> 41:34.552 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not their risk, we got about it. 41:35.413 --> 41:36.535 [SPEAKER_04]: That's exactly right. 41:36.715 --> 41:41.721 [SPEAKER_04]: It is very inspiring, and I appreciate both of you telling your stories because it's really neat. 41:41.982 --> 41:44.705 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Michael, thank you so much for doing the show, number one. 41:44.725 --> 41:47.068 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Jenny, thanks for so much for having me. 41:47.200 --> 41:51.986 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, you know, we have so many great things going on. 41:52.586 --> 41:56.771 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't, I know you're colorable because of me, the fabulous, obviously. 41:57.552 --> 42:01.116 [SPEAKER_02]: And a big success and we'll have you all. 42:01.137 --> 42:02.919 [SPEAKER_01]: We're so, we're selling Gambino today. 42:03.379 --> 42:04.460 [SPEAKER_02]: Columbo, come here. 42:04.480 --> 42:08.225 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, Gambino, tell us what we're talking about today. 42:08.245 --> 42:09.286 [SPEAKER_04]: That's right, show us. 42:09.306 --> 42:10.448 [SPEAKER_01]: Gambino story. 42:10.548 --> 42:11.128 [SPEAKER_01]: That's okay. 42:11.148 --> 42:12.550 [SPEAKER_01]: I figured what had I'm wearing. 42:12.867 --> 42:13.748 [SPEAKER_04]: Right. 42:13.768 --> 42:16.373 [SPEAKER_04]: That was show us the book, tell us what we can get it. 42:16.453 --> 42:17.154 [SPEAKER_01]: There it is. 42:17.174 --> 42:19.738 [SPEAKER_04]: Marlon Gambino, boss of bosses, right? 42:20.239 --> 42:26.148 [SPEAKER_01]: Carlon Gambino, boss of bosses, it is on sale February 24th. 42:26.168 --> 42:26.388 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh. 42:27.370 --> 42:29.153 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's not out yet. 42:30.194 --> 42:30.715 [SPEAKER_01]: Very soon. 42:31.777 --> 42:32.097 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 42:32.638 --> 42:33.860 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for my call. 42:33.940 --> 42:38.908 [SPEAKER_01]: If you have Frank and I back, and I hope you will, it'll be on sale then. 42:39.918 --> 42:45.727 [SPEAKER_01]: This will be out this, you know, very soon, two days, you could pre-order it online. 42:46.649 --> 42:47.250 [SPEAKER_01]: Not a problem. 42:47.770 --> 42:48.532 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably cheaper now. 42:49.093 --> 42:53.760 [SPEAKER_04]: Look, there's room on this side of my, if you would like to sit a book right here. 42:54.361 --> 42:55.022 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. 42:55.062 --> 42:56.384 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Jean. 42:56.905 --> 42:57.606 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 42:57.940 --> 42:59.863 [SPEAKER_01]: Ted, that should be a redress. 43:00.364 --> 43:01.706 [SPEAKER_04]: You'll sign up. 43:01.726 --> 43:02.747 [SPEAKER_04]: I want to autograph. 43:02.948 --> 43:04.811 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I will absolutely send you a book. 43:04.831 --> 43:05.171 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 43:05.191 --> 43:05.732 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you. 43:05.872 --> 43:06.333 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you. 43:06.473 --> 43:07.535 [SPEAKER_04]: I can't wait to read it. 43:07.655 --> 43:10.760 [SPEAKER_04]: It sounds, I mean, I literally, I just want you to know. 43:11.221 --> 43:14.806 [SPEAKER_04]: I was taking notes on all these books I want to write. 43:14.826 --> 43:14.986 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 43:15.347 --> 43:16.909 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I'm excited. 43:17.610 --> 43:20.255 [SPEAKER_04]: And I hope this one is a huge success. 43:20.275 --> 43:21.236 [SPEAKER_01]: It sent me a list. 43:21.296 --> 43:22.518 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll send you some camps. 43:22.658 --> 43:24.401 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, well, thank you. 43:24.521 --> 43:25.062 [SPEAKER_04]: All right. 43:25.666 --> 43:28.418 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, she's the best of luck, and thank you so much for coming. 43:28.458 --> 43:29.081 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Jeannie. 43:29.503 --> 43:30.367 [SPEAKER_02]: Have a good night. 43:31.251 --> 43:32.255 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, thank you. 43:32.275 --> 43:32.456 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 43:33.199 --> 43:33.541 [SPEAKER_02]: Please. 43:34.083 --> 43:34.545 [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks.