[SPEAKER_00]: I told a lot of lights about a cheap man Is there a cause you when they got you to believe in I'm a finger held to the forehead and an hell show Trapped in a cover on the sales game Let's fight back in, have some talks about class in the past Cause of the disaster's brought to ashes And not spank at the box It's a thousand natural shocks I've had with money podcast Hello and welcome to a thousand natural shocks About with money podcast
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host, Gabe S. Dunn, and with me today, we have one of the faces of L.A. Taco, a website that I talk about a lot actually on this show, because they have become the local news source for what's going on in L.A. on the ground with anti-ice activism and ice activity more than any other in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he doesn't have to agree?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he do you want to tell my audience who you are and what you do?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so my name is Izzy Ramirez.
[SPEAKER_03]: I work with the like Taco Cove in the ice rates, board patrol rates over with memo.
[SPEAKER_03]: We do something called the daily memo.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what my main focus is.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we try to keep track of all the raids and bring the information to you so that we can remind everyone that just because it's happening and Minneapolis and Maine doesn't meant to be left here.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I do a couple other stories with them as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: If I may be able to find them, I try to cover stuff on the ground over here, but I also do some international news.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like say the LLM was released.
[SPEAKER_03]: A little boy here.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I've been with them for a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: It hasn't been too long.
[SPEAKER_03]: It feels like I've been with them for a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, every day is a few months.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you explain the daily memo further?
[SPEAKER_01]: memo is the man's name, but it's also like a play on, you know, the getting the information daily.
[SPEAKER_01]: So can you talk about the daily memo?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so the daily memo was started by memo back in June.
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe like June 12, something like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he's been doing this for a long time.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he was the way they explained it was that if we're going to be covering tacos and all those Mexican food, all those Latino culture and other cultures in Los Angeles, then we need to talk about how they're being treated by the administration.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they started getting videos that they could find online and talking about everywhere that they are every single day.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what he does is he compels him to a document that he also uploads onto
[SPEAKER_03]: And he lists out all the rage and tries to describe them as best as he can and he just goes down the list of every that he've been it's kind of evolved more recently Now we're talking about like patterns that we're noticing specific like situations and then we'll cover a little bit of local news But that's it so it started so it's all basically just to give people that idea of where they are or they've been
[SPEAKER_03]: And then we also do a little bit of daylight collection to have like a real understanding of how they operate, where they're going to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: So now that we have like a general idea of how they work, we try to talk about that as much as often.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll talk about identifying baritrol versus ICE, where they're coming out of, or they're going.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I also do something called a daily tracker.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like nine, ten in the morning when I start seeing the raids, I start uploading what I'm seeing onto that and post it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then mostly like it's translated over into the Daily Memo at some point where we talk about it at night.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't do it every single night we try to.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just because he can't fucking exhaust me.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's essentially what it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Information about the raids, local news, everything that's uploaded onto the website too.
[SPEAKER_03]: People have senses like spreadsheets and shit that they've made.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's really all it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a local made daily news report.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, can you talk about why it's overwhelming?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's been interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yesterday, we're talking on February 1st.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yesterday and the day before, there was like a huge outpouring of hundreds of thousands of people in LA, more so than we've seen in a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you mentioned earlier that, you know, what's happening in Minneapolis has been happening in LA this entire time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've spoke to some people post the day before on yesterday.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they had no idea it was going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did not, they had not seen anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did not know anything about what had happened on the 31st.
[SPEAKER_01]: So can you explain what you guys have been covering?
[SPEAKER_01]: How much has been happening?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, I can all ask you later about why you don't think it's showing up anywhere else.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what have you been covering?
[SPEAKER_01]: What has been happening in LA this entire time?
[SPEAKER_01]: And the numbers that you guys are seeing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I've been doing this since August or so I started doing it on myself, it's just been escalating and we've been telling people that it's just escalating more and more there's just we've seen patterns and specific places and there's operations that the administration does do and it's clear as day like recently there was the operation in does honor.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it was directly why they were over in Santa Maria, something is a bispo Santa Barbara County, but they had taken like 140 people I think in a span of three days.
[SPEAKER_03]: So stuff like that makes it difficult to cover, because we can't go over 140 people.
[SPEAKER_03]: On top of the people they took in Los Angeles and San Diego and Orange County, we try to condense it, and then we still have to compile it, because I mean, we try to keep it humane.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't, they're not numbers or people.
[SPEAKER_03]: I try to go over every single one, but,
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you said, it's just been escalating.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just shocking that people in Los Angeles don't think it's happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's just, it's been getting exponentially worse.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the thing is that we, we communicate with watch teams.
[SPEAKER_03]: We know these people.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we've also seen the retaliation that they face all the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the last week alone the University of three community watchers, and like one week and we don't, we don't see stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we, we haven't seen stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So every time we talk about getting worse, the numbers just get higher, their tactics change, we've seen the shifts from ice to border patrol.
[SPEAKER_03]: We saw the way things got more violent when the ice flow directors went from ice to border patrol directors.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we've seen them get more violent and the escalation of them breaking windows, pulling people out of the cars, aiming their guns at people.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we've been reverberable.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but then they also have their guns, like actual weaponry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we've seen them pull them out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that specification here in Patta, and you pull this gun out on Defend to Santa Ana, the Santa Ana watch team, and you also pull them out on some people on Los Angeles.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we've seen them go from a little bit more docile to just like flat outright violent.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we've seen that escalate.
[SPEAKER_03]: We used to cover like 20 people today, maybe in like two, three days.
[SPEAKER_03]: We know every day it's more like,
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like 20, 25 a day and in some days it's more like I just was doing last night the, what happened on the 28th and there was 31 people.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's been days before but there's like 50 people and it's, it just gets worse and we're seeing it like every single day and in a pattern wave.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll also note that they're coming from terminal island.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know the warp which I was going to go to run to county.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I'm still trying to keep track of the ice down in San Diego because they have a whole different thing going on down there, but it's just an escalation that we've seen basically and that's what we try to tell people It's not going to go anywhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's still here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everything in Minneapolis, everything in Maine, they're stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a specific to them.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're dealing with like the well, well, well,
[SPEAKER_03]: Before that, there's still there.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's still down in San Diego.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's still here in Los Angeles.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're still in Orange County.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're still in Santa Barbara.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's like Florida still has our ice agents.
[SPEAKER_03]: New York still has our ice agents.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look at that.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's still Chicago.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're all, they're still there.
[SPEAKER_03]: They haven't left.
[SPEAKER_03]: And those numbers might not be as high during the whole shit show with Puvino being there.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they're still pretty high.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, December, I had counted four and 70 people just in Southern California.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like I said before that back then, I would get like 150 people in a month.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I guess I think I had counted 97 people from August to December to go from 97 over 470 is a huge chef that's huge.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all we're seeing just worse numbers, higher numbers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm tensing up my shoulders.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it's because
[SPEAKER_01]: California is so spread out that people in LA have the ability to ignore the way that maybe other cities don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm also just perpetually frustrated and confused by how people in certain parts of LA, like they don't view these areas that they deem as Latino or poorer, as like worth thinking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, it's like been kind of a very different vibe here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like it's a mixture of California nonchalance to be honest with also the idea of so many transplants being here and not really understanding like the history of what lost angeluses, like I feel like a lot of people like if I go to Echo Park right now and I sit down with some people at a cafe that aren't from here and asked and like you know like what Echo Park was in the 90s who like created the culture here and
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they would really understand what it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: So when they're not in that sphere of culture, like actually in it, instead of just you didn't use it and taking photos of it, then I think they kind of like disconnect and they just don't think about those people are being attacked right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and it's, I don't know, it really just was like nonchalons and just transplants that don't really, I mean, I kind of understand that when you come here, you feel like you don't truly belong and I feel like there's just too much individualism, you're just thinking about your own self and your culture here and not thinking about out down the street, like that food vendor that you get food from is putting themselves at risk every single morning, and you're going to have a lot of fun and you're going to have a lot of fun and you're going to have a lot of fun and you're going to have a lot of fun and you're going to have a lot of fun and you're going to have a lot of fun and you're going to have a lot of fun and you're going to have a lot of fun and you're going to have a lot of fun and you're going to have a lot of fun and you're going to have a lot of fun and you're going to have a lot of fun and
[SPEAKER_03]: And then when you stop seeing them like there's a huge chance that they got a fucking kidnapped by a border patrol agent during a robin rate at some point And it's happened before we've got in like messages like that really like hey, I don't see my food vendor anymore I think something happened and then we'll talk to some people and people connect with a family I mean, it's like yeah, they got taken like a week ago, you know, like people it's just it is happening there I think it's just the disconnection if I'm being honest Yeah, it's also maybe it's also like I don't like I like being around the bush I mean a lot of people don't care about how people they just don't they don't think about how
[SPEAKER_03]: colors and other races and thinking about like what could be happening to them or how they're feeling.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because there's a lot of fear with these people, you know, like we're all a little bit scared.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there's also a lot of strength that I want to say that there's a lot of community watchteams and there's a lot of hope and there's a lot of people that are very resisting strongly that are people of color.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's just me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have to I've explained a lot every time I do these.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to keep you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because people are listening from all over, you know, this isn't like an L.A. based podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I try to bring like news from where we are because I do feel there is somewhat of a media blackout.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you talk a little bit about that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it must be wild to cover this stuff for L.A. Taco, which is again, like you alluded to, was like a food website.
[SPEAKER_01]: And has now become what it is, although it was doing this kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I spoke to Lexus, who's one of your freelancers, or maybe he's on staff by now, but I spoke to him in 2020 on this podcast, because you guys had shifted to a more political sphere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you talk a bit about the frustration and why this might be?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, like, why we're doing over doing alone?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, just, yeah, because, like, so at the, um, at the protests on the 31st, uh, all this press, national press was around the corner getting, quote, it's from Don Lemon, who's a reinment was, was around the corner.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we tried to say, you know, how, uh, go around to the MDC, go around to the MDC, look at what's happening over there, look at the violence that, uh, CPP and, and, um, I said, DHS are inflicting over there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And CBS came over and the guy from CBS,
[SPEAKER_01]: was recording and and doing stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then later we got a tip that they weren't going to use his footage.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think like that are happening all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what the fuck?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it's just sensationalism and just the way that journalists think about one and a catch the moment about things that will be so breaking.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't honestly, we don't do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: We never really have like when I was down at the down lemon, I wasn't desperate to get a photo of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like wanted to hear him say something.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't put it on video because he didn't reply.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just because he didn't even need.
[SPEAKER_03]: He wanted to do his speech.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was he didn't apply what I asked him like what do you what he did?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there something you'd like to say to young brown journalists that are witnessing this in real time while they're Pretty much presses me to tag that's what I wanted to know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't that's pretty good a photo of him I feel like that's just what's different like like you see me there's just so tied to catching like something that's just sensational and large That's why they're so focused on bovino because saying bovino did something we'll get them views
[SPEAKER_03]: a brown kick and shove it with Billy isn't something that's gonna do anything to a lot of people and I mean it sucks to say that but it's just it is what it is it's exactly what it is I think that's why also I mean we don't like I mean you've seen his like legs was in the kettle yesterday when he was covering the protest I loved yeah I mean I left I couldn't I don't want to get more tear gas I was sick of it yesterday was already fucking annoying enough as well as but yeah
[SPEAKER_03]: He was like in there and he was getting footage of himself kidding shot by pepper balls.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was also not being like go.
[SPEAKER_03]: So everyone just they want to catch all this news that's just going to be shocking and breaking.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's like what their motive is.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't like we just don't do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't want to.
[SPEAKER_03]: We want to like show what the fuck is actually happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which is why I go down and I'm to see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I would try to not to skip over numbers.
[SPEAKER_03]: We try to talk about every single person I mean, taken.
[SPEAKER_03]: He would just like, like, legacy me that thing was just wants to have a big story every day.
[SPEAKER_03]: and that's it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like even what's what's happening with Liam, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's so many other kids in that detention center.
[SPEAKER_03]: They should also be trying to get people in there to see what those kids are dealing with, but those kids are seen.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then there's also the idea that they just want to claim to, like, individual stories for getting that there's all these, like,
[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone's a story.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean when you go to down empty sea like yesterday there was a lot of kids there Even that day before it was so many fucking kids like those are our brown kids as well And they're getting tear gas.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're gonna shot with their bullets.
[SPEAKER_03]: I spoke with one of the people that got shot in the yesterday and told me He's gonna lose vision and I like you know
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a young brown fucking kid, I mean, can be like those people deserve to have their stories told as well, because they're not bovino or they're not being a type of bovinoism and they're not worthy of it, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's all it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're just they're so focused on these big news stories and not like what's actually happening in your community.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they overlook all the other raids that are happening, especially in Los Angeles.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, why isn't NBC coming into the career?
[SPEAKER_03]: Why isn't KTLA coming into our age?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they just don't want to.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all it is that they don't want to.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't take it to a part of my opinion.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: The irony is that by missing these stories, L.A. Taco has become, by the mainstream missing these stories, L.A. Taco has become the only resource I care about.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the irony is that if they were doing that, they would perhaps have a bigger audience of people who care.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's been really frustrating.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the level of L.A. Taco, you know, they take, you have a subscription and I buy a lot of merch from you guys because I do love the designs.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I had someone I had a guy sleep over and he was like oh can I borrow some clothes and he took like the LA taco socks that I have and the like the like immediate like I was like yes to get those
[SPEAKER_01]: like I had the immediate like, no, he took the best ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but then it's like, how can you be rude by being like not those sucks.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what is what the socks we had.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, they work on it in like 10 there's great if you can get your hands on some I'm going to have to demand those back.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, so yeah, so the irony is that and then it's also that these legacy media have so much money and you guys don't or like the average person the people that are doing this fight that are getting to your guys that are getting shot at it is largely people of color it is largely people that don't have money
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's wild to me, the amount of people in my life because I used to work in entertainment that are sitting on tons of money.
[SPEAKER_01]: And meanwhile, we passed the same $5 around.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm for real, no, truly, I did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they fucking cry if you buy them a pizza.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, they don't, I think it's just this thing that's been breaking my mind lately is that there's this inability to see that a small amount of money could help.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm not gonna be able to buy out a vendor entirely but can I get five or six flowers?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and am I gonna do that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because just because you can't do the full thing doesn't mean do nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's been like this, this, like, stop gap for people.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is just, I have to figure out how to get over their mindset and push, push on that a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it's also just a bit of the class divide.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, when we like see a food vendor, we don't think like there's a food vendor.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'd like look at them and sell your mom or dad.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's, you know, I do understand like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's connection from it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But me, yeah, I mean, the class divide.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think people understand like what their money really does.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's not going to send them home, obviously, but can't people do it and they can go fucking rest inside and be safe for a little bit, you know, before they go back out.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's their livelihood and it's it's just a risk for them to do it every single day and they are, you know, I don't know
[SPEAKER_01]: Class divide is so huge in, I mean, it's huge in most cities, obviously, but it's so huge in LA.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even it's interesting, like I have pedally left some group chats of white people doing my duty.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the ability for some people around me to live in Los Angeles and not have a single brown friend is crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's a choice too, because I think it's a lot, it's a lot, it's Los Angeles.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, that's just so insane, dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, I wish I could understand some of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: I grew up in a underclass brand neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I still had white friends, I had Indian friends, I had a different line American friends, you know, I don't, I don't know, I just don't get it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've always like tried to understand what like the reason is for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I get like the whole tribe, tribulism thing, tribalism.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never seen that every like Latino.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know as fucking white people.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, then you speak to like big groups of white people in Los Angeles and you're like
[SPEAKER_01]: like you not have a Latino friend like come on like it's lost and it was mostly his panic like at least talk to your food vendor and become like a best friend just I'm like what the fuck yeah that's the that's the thing to is the it was interesting I mean I'm glad it was happening but it was very interesting when every when the raids first started going down and white people were like no they took my food vendor and I my first thought was you don't know any other latina
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, honestly, you just know the person that she buy fucking fruit and tacos You don't know any other Latinos that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just so it's nuts Honestly, I haven't been in Los Angeles like super long.
[SPEAKER_03]: I grew up in an I'm but I've always come now But like I actually live in here.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the whole like the classes about is so in your face It's so bizarre.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never like when I said so upfront like that before
[SPEAKER_03]: I've also never met so many people that like don't know shit about Latinos, like ever, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm still like native all this too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never been in a fucking world like this, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an activist space or like a journalism space.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just like, I don't explain it to a space that's where there's more people with money.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I really, I sound so corny, but I've just really, I've never been around stuff like that before.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm still figuring out to how they think and interact, I guess, if that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, like, I've never been around spaces like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was gonna say even like, gay spaces in Anaheim because we have like, Bravo and that's just all Latinos, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know, that's just new to me, if I'm being honest.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I wonder, and I'll get bleak here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a few of us were talking about why we got so involved immediately in what was going on downtown in June.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there was this kind of like dark joking thing about, well, were you kind of suicidal before this?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you thought, it doesn't really matter what happens to me, I'm gonna go down and try to help people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was from a place of wanting to help people, obviously,
[SPEAKER_01]: caring, but it also there was a tinge of for a lot of us.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care what happens to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is maybe why there was so many marginalized people involved.
[SPEAKER_01]: If we see like a cis white, like John sticks out like a sore thumb.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like John is our our gray-haired sister-it-white man.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder if there is an L, I'm not a scientist.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if there is an element of the people
[SPEAKER_01]: because there is a hint of, I don't, I'm not attached to what happens to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I get what you mean.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've always kind of feel like that, too, because it makes sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: Almost every act of this or protest or someone that you've met at the top, there has had something happen to them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think for you to have like in more a bigger increase in empathy,
[SPEAKER_03]: You have had it to at some point, been denied empathy for you to just want to apply it so much to people outside of who you are and there's I mean, all of them are traumatized even if someone just went out to for a little bit I think and witnessed like what's really happening down there Then they would I think their empathy just increases more than what it already was especially because I think it's so shocking to hear about it
[SPEAKER_03]: things but then just actually seeing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just so insane and I feel like sometimes you can even like see people like wake up when you see these protests.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like all those people like got tear gas and saw the the DHS come out with their guns.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it just like does something to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how to explain it but I think I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I always was curious about that too.
[SPEAKER_03]: If there's any stud studies on it, how that works because it does seem like everyone has more empathy
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all I thought on the 31st was, wow, we really radical.
[SPEAKER_01]: They really radicalize some teens today because if you see your friends tear gas and screaming and shot at, you're going to be like, wait, a lot of my problem with some of the white people I've spoken to and some of the the no king stuff, which I love.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm big fan.
[SPEAKER_01]: But some of it is, oh, it's clear a lot of the people I've never had a negative interaction with the police.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's still this element of like, well, if something really bad happened, I would run to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I went down there, it's really a traumatizing and a tough pill to swallow to look into the eyes of someone in body armor and see either nothing behind their eyes, or see like hatred.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It freaks every time it freaks me out to be like, oh my god, there's like, no,
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like there's something wrong with you, man, you know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to kill me and be completely fine with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, they're kind of taught to be above people.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was an administration of justice major.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I did some cop classes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the 70 teachers are so fucking weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they go through like lectures about how people fucking hate them and how you have to be above it, above a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they're already instilling the idea that you're not going to work for the people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, why would you go on a huge rant about that?
[SPEAKER_03]: You're just like making people not want to help people, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I love that people are chanting the, who do you work for?
[SPEAKER_03]: Who do you serve?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I think they should be asking themselves that, what are you serving by attacking protesters?
[SPEAKER_03]: Who are you serving by shooting rubber bullets at fucking 19-year-olds, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, what is your purpose?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you understand what your purpose right now is?
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you been seeing that with Border Patrol?
[SPEAKER_03]: There's like, there's a handful of agents that are just trying to mock.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just so clear as day that there were just bullies or there were bullies at some point because why are you doing that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if you're supposed to be protecting the people, why are you so upset that you're being recorded?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, why is that bother you doing the right thing?
[SPEAKER_03]: Unless fear that those videos are going to be used again in the future, which maybe means that maybe you're not doing the right thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were installed with fear from the beginning.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was watching a friend of mine on live, a journalist friend of mine on live last night, being harassed by the cops.
[SPEAKER_01]: They kept saying, I'm press, I'm press.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to let me out because they're being kettled, which means the cops block you in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they kept saying, I'm press, I'm press.
[SPEAKER_01]: They weren't really believing them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then at some point, this really blew my mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: At some point, I would say 30 to 40 cops and riot gear, full riot gear, helmets, blocked off, armor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And my friend is in shirt and shorts.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the cop says, move slowly, move slowly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And my friend is like, okay, I'm moving, I'm moving.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the cop says, you have to move slowly because I don't know if you have a weapon.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it blew my mind because I was like, we know that 40 people in this vicinity do have a weapon.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this person is 53 in shirt and shorts.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this guy is in full riot gear.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, go slow.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know if you have a weapon.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is the fear mentality?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a vacation on it's crazy, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so fucking weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just to justify them because if the act is certain away and they tell the courts that they acted out of fear, then so much stuff gets justified in court just because of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's why they're just so heavy on that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, it's insane.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those classes I'm talking about were just barbaric, I mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: What they say?
[SPEAKER_03]: They go through intimidation tactics.
[SPEAKER_03]: They try to show you how to manipulate people into like revealing stuff about them that you can use and at some point to arrest them.
[SPEAKER_03]: They also go through the course of explaining that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Essentially, even if you fuck up something, like even if you go through the, what's it called, the doctrine, the um,
[SPEAKER_03]: The fruit of the poison is street doctrine, or uh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, if you make one mistake, everything else gets dismissed in court.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they explain, I mean, judges can just like dismiss all this stuff all the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they do, you know, because they do side of the police.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they kind of like tell you that, even if you fuck up as long as your court with judges, you should be fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of like to just be all over what they go through.
[SPEAKER_03]: They obviously go through like everything you shouldn't do to fuck up a case, but they do like consistent in their mind you like a judge could excuse it and it could still be using court and so they instill fear and then they're telling you if you fuck up, judges can still part in your mistake like what do you think that makes you know like obviously you're having all these cops that become cricket cops and are they start to think in their own way like a gang I mean the early gang you know sheriff gangs were the thing
[SPEAKER_03]: like police gangs were a thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so these people aren't like being taught to serve the public.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're being taught to avoid the public almost, and to treat the public like objects, like you're kind of like what they do with the military.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're served sests with like complete mission, complete mission.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, and not explaining like what is the mission for and who is the mission for?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's supposed to be for us.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're paying you our taxes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you're supposed to be doing this stuff for us.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just so fucking weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the, all I can really say.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just fucking weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yesterday or the day before a friend of mine took a picture of a helmet that one of the officers was wearing and it had a patch on it and we were trying to figure out what the patch was and it's like a patch from like a pirate flag that means take no prisoners be don't be a prisoner that's on your fucking helmet.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the part that's so fucking crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: It really is, dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like grown fucking kids that think they're in college duty.
[SPEAKER_03]: They think it's fucking modern warfare.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then when we're the target, it's so fucking weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, can you talk, we touched on press stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's been a lot of wild back and forth about what you're allowed to do to the press, what you can't do to the press, what, you know, police, what, what safety you guys have.
[SPEAKER_01]: So can you run through that a little bit?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, last night I saw it with legs.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was telling them that they're exempt from being kettle to begin with like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're supposed to be like, oh, as press, you're just, you don't even have to have credentials.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't have, you don't need to have visible badges and just to show that your press, that's against it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all lawful.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were asking him, they kept asking him, show your credentials, show your credentials.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you don't have to have credentials.
[SPEAKER_03]: And on the United States to be pressed, it's not how it works.
[SPEAKER_03]: As long as you're a fucking press, and you can just tell them, like, you have a fucking camera.
[SPEAKER_03]: As long as it's obvious, you're press.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to have a helmet that says price.
[SPEAKER_03]: All that stuff that you see isn't to prove that they're press.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a good shot.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they still do, you know, you just don't get hurt.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to have that stuff as a press.
[SPEAKER_03]: I normally don't, I know I should.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do have a little badge, but I really talk about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't, I don't even really bring them all the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just have it on me because I have to show it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to have that stuff to show that you're press.
[SPEAKER_03]: When he got kettle, you're supposed to let those people go.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're not supposed to be shooting the press.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're not supposed to be intimidating the press.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're not even really supposed to say shit to them at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're allowed to be there.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're at the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're exempt from, I was told, orders of dispersal.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're all everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: that is basically there to tell protesters to leave.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're essentially exempt from, we are allowed to be there during the disversal order because we're documenting it.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not supposed to be getting killed in.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not supposed to be getting intimidated.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not supposed to be getting hurt.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's literally their job to not hurt us and to keep that right safe.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's what the law is for.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, with Alexa, it was just insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I honestly- Well, I think they know who he is by now and I will alleged that they kind of shoot him on purpose.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, I feel that way too.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's been hurt so much.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was so horrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was running away that video where he's running away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we should mention Lexus Black.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's running away in one of the videos and they shoot him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's back in a way and he's press and he has all the shit too.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has press written all over him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, come on.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's literally intimidation and it's against the law to be doing that stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: We can't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But who's going to enforce it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's the issue.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's their jobs enforce it, but they're not.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's they are the law enforcement.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about in terms of enforcing, LAPD is not enforcing any of the laws being broken by IS or CPB or DHS.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they show up at the end of the protest to arrest everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they are just as guilty just as part of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then this week, L.A. Chief of Police,
[SPEAKER_01]: said that he is not going to be enforcing the law that was passed from Gavin News to my think that LAPD should enforce Ice agents and DHS and you're not allowed to be law enforcement and wear a mask, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's supposed to be happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Jim McDonald just straight up to the press was like, we can't enforce that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So can you talk about the collaboration and what you've seen in that regard?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it would shock people how much police do help ice and water patrol.
[SPEAKER_01]: Andrivales gave testimony at the house oversight Democrats committee.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was there.
[SPEAKER_01]: She said that LAPD handed her over dice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of the house Democrats that were in that meeting asked follow-up questions of her for the record, not a single one brought up the thing about LAPD.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what it is about people.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's like normal.
[SPEAKER_03]: It gets so fucking weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not supposed to help at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: SB, how does it 57 I think?
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of nuance.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, they can help under specific conditions, but they have to meet a criteria, has to be like a violent case.
[SPEAKER_03]: This person needs to be fucking a threat.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's like a specific thing that you have to do, and then they can help or betray knives.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then there's also the Joe contracts where people that they can work with them,
[SPEAKER_03]: I forget there's just so many codes I've got it but Hopefully it's gonna help them do a rest.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's the um, they don't do it here because that's 57 stops at, but they do not state.
[SPEAKER_03]: So 87G is what it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we actually used to add to it 7G at the LAC Orange County and so we kind of saw how it works.
[SPEAKER_03]: Police, he's able to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, you can't do that anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: California has no to 870 contracts.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they're not supposed to really assist them in general.
[SPEAKER_03]: Supposedly this was to keep the piece LAPD or NEPD really when they use that as an excuse to just like let Border Patrol do anything and just doesn't make any sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're to protect the piece But then if masked men and women are in a car just driving down going through red lights Busting the all kinds of illegal U-turns and just grabbing people and then if those community watchers come out And just record them and Border Patrol antagonizes them or starts fucking pulling guns on them and police is there they side with Border Patrol
[SPEAKER_03]: and start protecting them, alluding to the fact and depending on the fact that they are near to keep the peace.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the question I was asked is, could you be the peace forward?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like who are you keeping this peace forward?
[SPEAKER_03]: And they've also done it in different ways that are just like sneaky.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I've seen Orange County, or even recently here actually, it's kind of new.
[SPEAKER_03]: Police are getting in front of community watchers, so they can't follow Border Patrol.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's a first amendment, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: If you didn't know, there's like so many rights that you have that you should know, you can follow or be sure I can follow eyes.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's completely legal to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can record them.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can be in California.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't have the reasonable right to private conversations in public settings.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if they're having a conversation, you can go up and just fucking record them.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they're illegal right to do so.
[SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, they don't, they're not literally enforcing that stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they're just completely deterring people from practicing that first time they're right.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're getting in front of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not letting them follow the vehicles.
[SPEAKER_03]: In Orange County, I've seen them escort border patrol out of the neighborhood, because people are yelling at them like,
[SPEAKER_03]: just not they're just assisting them in such undermining ways that you really wouldn't think.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there's situations that you mentioned where they do have people over.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the community watcher Maria a couple of days ago in a month.
[SPEAKER_03]: She did community watch or a patrol like kettle at her end.
[SPEAKER_03]: They box her in in her vehicle.
[SPEAKER_03]: The broker window.
[SPEAKER_01]: She got video is terrifying.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's fucking crazy and it's just so crazy because we like I know these people like we're I know these community watchers Yeah, the boxer in she called the police I want to pretty just get there and they just don't do anything They just like step to the side while there's these masked people are completely kidnapping a young woman
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like people don't think about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's a lot of women that get taken, like masked men and attempted vehicle taking women.
[SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of the terms are alone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, how do you think that's like, what do you think comes out of that, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we're already seeing the confessions like the man that was raping a woman over in the facility and using that to let her see photos of her own kids.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, and then we have them out in the public just taking people and a masked unmarked vehicle and taking it fucking windows and just just one woman in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was my fear.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was my fear as soon as because I was like, they took her because she's pretty.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, literally.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then fucking when she went when she wanted to use the bathroom, they stepped out in the forces to use it in public in a bush.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's just so fucking ridiculously, but the PD is just like watching this have happened and either of the protect border patrol or I, it's not the people and or the escort them, the cut people off to make it will stop following them.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're always using an excuse of keeping the peace.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like I said,
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it peaceful for them to steal a woman it's exactly exactly it doesn't make any sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's there's this overarching like thing with our mayor and our governor to not cooperate and that they are like I hate these people get them out of our you know city blah blah blah And then I watched the other day Karen Bass had a home land security escort out of a building.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, fuck you
[SPEAKER_03]: Some of this stuff that community watchers say I think makes no sense, honestly, is when they tell PD directly like if you're not going to help then stay the fuck out of our way like don't impede on us then if you're not going to do anything they don't help them we're practicing on right so if you're not going to do anything then just stay the fuck out of our way while we continue to do what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because everything they do is legal, people think everything they're doing is, well, not everyone, I'm saying, everyone on the right things it's illegal and it's not, I think there's just to be like a refresher on like what you can do, police aren't civilians, they're not under that privacy like protection, you can record them, you can record their conversations and public, but in California, not in every state, but.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can record them on your percent.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can take photos.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can legally follow them.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you like that's the one that people don't like these.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those people think that you can't.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can follow law enforcement.
[SPEAKER_03]: Stay a reasonable distance away.
[SPEAKER_03]: Record them and that's fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like none of that is illegal.
[SPEAKER_03]: And sound illegal to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what they said though.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if you're not going to help you stay out of your way because they are more or less inadvertently helping them on purpose.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're doing their own purpose.
[SPEAKER_03]: They want to be like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: because there's still a lot in force, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then there's also, um, I don't know if everyone caught it, but, um, during Chrissy Noms, um, a court trial, there was a representative from California.
[SPEAKER_03]: I forgot who was.
[SPEAKER_03]: It might have been Lou.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, he had gone up and spoke about how down in Orange County, the O.C.
[SPEAKER_03]: sheriffs, they wanted to hand people over, which it already is.
[SPEAKER_03]: something, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: But when they had pulled out the call to ICE to come pick these convicted criminals up, they didn't show up at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't even come get them.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then that just makes me think about like, even if the police is collaborating, when it comes to actual criminals, why aren't they even following through on what they're talking about?
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're to get criminals and they have them right there, they're in a facility really grave.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why aren't you?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, what is like, what is, what is, are you actually trying to accomplish?
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're not going to do that, if it's the most
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, even like press, I think has even more ability to follow or to, you know, go to, I mean, what, 15 years ago?
[SPEAKER_01]: My God.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so old.
[SPEAKER_01]: 15 years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: I worked as a crime reporter for the Boston Globe and we had a police radio and I was allowed to go wherever they were going.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got there and I could film whatever I wanted and I would try to talk to them and they, they were like kind of required to,
[SPEAKER_01]: to give me some quotes like it was like a totally different I mean I was like a little white girl and I surely did play that up But um, oh, I would like like an idiot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be like, what are you guys doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks so interesting Wow You gotta use it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just it like I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a complete breakdown where they do want to impress
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like propaganda.
[SPEAKER_01]: They want to impress.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to be like, um, Don knots in the Andy Griffith show.
[SPEAKER_01]: They want to be, uh, I don't know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's John Krizinski's character, what he's in some sort of Jack Reacher, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: They want it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have this fantasy of being like a type of law enforcement that I think the media has has portrayed more often than like they're like, oh, I'm not Paul Black Mallcock.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like mission impossible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: They really want to be like the hero of some like movie that they've made up in their head, you know, it just doesn't make, it doesn't make sense, which is also like the self-interesting like your job is to protect people and serve the public, not to complete your mission and your fucking head, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: it is racism.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is completely racism.
[SPEAKER_01]: The reason it's not taking off as much in certain LA neighborhoods is racism.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's why a lot of people in LA aren't doing enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was really happy to see how many people showed up on January 31st or was that one?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, what is it?
[SPEAKER_01]: The 30th, the 30th.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have the 30- Holy shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like people are waking up to it, but to me, I'm like, man, we're so deep now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even the journalists that were arrested, all black, six of them all black.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, all of them are black reporters, black journalists.
[SPEAKER_03]: I still can't believe that happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, even more shocked that we were there, like.
[SPEAKER_03]: That we were there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but like, seeing it, like in person was so crazy, but yeah, they were all black journalists.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's just so blatantly racist, and people weren't even like covering it up, it just
[SPEAKER_01]: The guy from Fox News, when we were at the the arrangement for Don Lemon, which I texted my mom, I was like, I've somehow ended up at Don Lemon's arrangement.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, what is my life?
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so the guy from Fox News was, I don't know if you caught, he helped three questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: He got to ask three questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody else got to ask three questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: and he was yelling at Karen Bass.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, there are reports that there were children in that church that couldn't get to their parents because the protest was separating them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that acceptable behavior?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, are you, what is your deal?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, so, I think you're real.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Don Lemon knew about the protest and he didn't immediately go to the police.
[SPEAKER_01]: He went to see a journalist or he's he a protestor.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember like I did it was so fucking like you can try to do it like what is why are you here?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the whole um creating a narrative is what they they call it He's creating like a narrative on purpose and it's so annoying.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just was and I wanted to yell at Karen Bass I had things I wanted to yell at her and I felt like I did I couldn't bother her because I was like I can't believe I'm I'm supporting this woman like I can't believe I'm like hey don't ask them
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I'm not going to give her more shit because this guy's a, I'm not going to, I didn't want to give him this satisfaction.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm like, I wanted to ask her so many things too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really wanted to ask her about our churches because the day before the St. Paul church protest, they had arrested, I don't want to say arrested.
[SPEAKER_03]: They kidnapped two people that are paying a church during service in Compton.
[SPEAKER_03]: They literally went up and just started their service.
[SPEAKER_03]: But even for that same Paul thing, you know, and they were scared.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're two.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing, like they're always talking about kids or brown kids.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have that thing you do, dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like that, like those kids must have been scared in that church too because I don't know what the hell's happening, but what the fuck does I have to do with Donald?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know?
[SPEAKER_01]: What does that have to do with Donald Lemon?
[SPEAKER_03]: Don Lee Monde and what a guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don Lee Monde.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, God.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's such a cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: How he really is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had to get you there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was kind of happy about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had no idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've seen a lot of memes of him because his husband was like kind of leading him like protecting him and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I saw memes that were like it was like Don Lemon and it was like me and then the husband.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like the baddie I pulled by being insane.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's so many memes of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love it, it's the fun thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I don't know how to bridge the gap or how to get people to look at media that is, I went on CNN after everything that happened downtown in LA, nothing, literally nothing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what to do to get here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how to explain to people like, kick about your brown and black friends.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, like, I don't know how else to say it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because think about it, you're saying 140 people are kidnapped.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a number.
[SPEAKER_01]: You said specifically, I'm trying to go through and make them all people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that a lot of white people see the number 140 and they just are like, okay, and they're not thinking that it is an individual person.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we have a thing in Judaism, each person is a world.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's true they have families they and we see it should so up close.
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, I'm like a maze that we'll talk was done for such a small company Like we we were able to speak to the death the family of Gabriel Garcia, I would like to add it on a long toe and that's one person that's one story 140 people
[SPEAKER_03]: I spoke with a kid in Oxnard, who's dad got taken during the class.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was farmers already in Oxnard.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, he's mom did, and then a month and a half late, three months and a half later or so, Ice agents were outside of his neighborhood, like so close to his house.
[SPEAKER_03]: And as his dad said, that he took his dad, like, that's just a whole story.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, those are people with whole families, friends, like a whole group of people lost somebody, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like they're all people, that's why I try to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's only thing we can do on our end to humanize them a bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it's a whole world, one person, 140 people, so like, I'm honestly still in shock that happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes time feels so unreal because it wasn't that long ago, it was like, less than a month ago I think now.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, like a month ago now.
[SPEAKER_03]: It feels like it was such a long time ago, but no, like in the span of four days, it took like 140 people and like three counties, and that's so many people, you know, and there are a lot of people of color and how can you not think it traces, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: as a Jewish person, I get very frustrated and I'm sure people will not like me saying this, but I get extremely frustrated because when the hostages were taken in Israel, a lot of Jewish people in my sphere went apeshite.
[SPEAKER_01]: They knew every hostages name, they knew every hostages story, they were freaking out.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were like, oh my God, people that were like someone was gone for two days, everyone was fucking losing their minds over what might be happening to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember saying to when people were being kidnapped,
[SPEAKER_01]: Here, I remember saying to a Jewish person that I'm friends with, I won't say Jewish Zionists, it's Zionists, not Jews.
[SPEAKER_01]: Zionists person, I remember saying to them, okay, so imagine that all these people being taken in L.A.
[SPEAKER_01]: Imagine they're Jewish.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You would be going fucking nuts.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just kind of bizarre to me personally.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is my personal experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, it doesn't speak for all Jewish people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all Jewish people are not involved in Zionism.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't want to spread anti-Semitism.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've written extensively about how I am deeply Jewish.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, it is...
[SPEAKER_01]: fully bizarre to not make the connection.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw a woman every day, she reads on Instagram, she reads from Anne Frank's diary.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all she's doing is reading.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's not giving her opinion.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's not saying it's connected to anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's just reading pages from the diary.
[SPEAKER_01]: People are losing their fucking minds in the comments.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so like Bubba, so we're supposed to let illegal's in from Biden, like Bubba, like they're reacting as if she's giving her opinion on the current moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're all like going nuts being like all types of people all types of people and literally all she's doing is reading what happened to Nazi Germany That's fucking that's really interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the connection.
[SPEAKER_03]: People make without realizing it is like just crazy that they like it's like already been made in their head But they haven't like accepted it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess if you remember the early times of their stories about about the That claim this coach is like there there are people being missing but I forgot things that quote
[SPEAKER_01]: people are being taken out of their homes, children come home and their parents are gone correct.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then people are like freaking out, you're in the comments.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the people are like, it's just a post about what happened to Anne Frank.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're not saying anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like you're a minute thought is that it's probably because it's also that happening, you know, like you made the connection, maybe you should accept it now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just I don't know how to make people care about other people.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, I was thinking about this other day because maybe nothing was just weird because there is the idea that a lot of us do do like labor jobs I was obviously we do work in restaurants where we can tell those we do labor and I was trying to like figure out like what our role looks like to To white supremacy like what do we look like I was thinking about like Steven universe Because I love I was watching it show again because it's such a good shot.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like a compass show to get really stony Yeah, I don't love it
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and I kept thinking like they explained like structures really well and you know what to premises role and I was thinking like how what what we're like like, you know, it's falling in that structure and I was thinking like they kind of like we're kind of used like commodities because we're workers and in my head I'm like I wonder if like the what people of you is from a more classes role It's kind of the way that they use gems is objects like the
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you would be upset if they took your fucking door for your prize.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you wouldn't necessarily care because you just find another one.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of how I've been thinking maybe that's like how we're viewed unconsciously by people that are upholding white supremacy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even if they don't really realize it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the whole idea of people going up to me like, oh no, like those are my friends.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those are immigrants.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even that itself just kind of shows that they're not like really grasping like who we are.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't really like to call myself or anyone I know that you know an immigrant necessarily.
[SPEAKER_03]: We are Americans like we're from the side of the continent.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like even historically, when they did the repatriation act in the 1920s, 60% of those people were citizens.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's entire generations of Mexicans and Latinos who were citizens, and their descendants are still citizens, but they're being seen as illegal immigrants when they're from here, and they were from here.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like the the division that they purposely created about us is just it's it's it's it's worked obviously Because people really do look at it and think like you're not from here bitch.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like I don't have to put Santan Loach or fucking um Fucking what do what do people why people use to not burn in the sun if we got thing?
[SPEAKER_03]: No
[SPEAKER_03]: No, the cream, um, fucking sunscreen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, sunscreen, sunscreen.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's, oh, really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but like, zinc, the white stuff that, but this stuff that's white, that like covers your whole face.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that nerds have on their nose.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's zinc.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I don't worth sunscreen.
[SPEAKER_03]: I should.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't burn in the sun like a bitch I'm from here.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know how it's like explaining to people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cut to me in front of the federal building, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Adoring myself in sunscreen, absolutely covering my whole face.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's just racism.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's seeing it's also this, I was thinking about this, this idea that like you see this a lot where it's like, oh, people who want to support the homeless are people who've never worked with the homeless.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that thing that people say.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I doubt that you would even know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's so many people that I'm around or that I interact with that other people have been taught to fear.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think part of it is for me is lucky and unlucky in some ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I grew up in an addict in alcoholic home.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so my dad,
[SPEAKER_01]: had friends from everywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: He eventually got sober.
[SPEAKER_01]: He works in like, you know, he does stuff with sober living.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would go to AA with him, like, I've been to Alan on my whole life.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a sphere of person that I was exposed to that my dad had over that blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it a complete fucking mess?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the whatever the remove is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think a lot of it is the privilege of looking male.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that is like I can have I have this basic sort of like what up man?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's already a buddy connection Yeah, which I have found has increased as I've transitioned there's a more of a Respect from all kinds of men including like homeless men or you know people I pass on the street where I'm like hey buddy Do you need help
[SPEAKER_01]: they're much more likely to talk to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think because I present mail, so that is I understand a privilege and it's definitely different and I know from being on both sides and more willing to believe that I have the capacity to help, more willing to take me seriously as someone who can provide something and that has been a gift because it has allowed me to have it normalized
[SPEAKER_01]: in a way that I, when I come across other people in Los Angeles, who are white, that hasn't been their experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not their experience that like their dad would just let people sleep on the floor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, there is this.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I do bring that stuff up sometimes, there's a anger that people have towards my father, where they're like, why would he, he has two daughters?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why would he let random people in the house?
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, well, nothing ever happened to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess that's also lucky.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't really, I haven't really figured that out because it is surprising to me when people don't, when, when people act as if someone laying on the ground isn't there, I guess.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't, you mean, I think that comes from, I don't even have to worry.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I feel like all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's all rooted at some point the way other people think.
[SPEAKER_03]: And some kind of gross centric mind, you know, like, oh, the poor, the poverty there, they're sick, they're, they're gross.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I'm not better than anyone because I will say when I first went down to the MDC, I didn't speak Spanish.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was why I wasn't quite sure how to approach
[SPEAKER_01]: It's mostly Latinos down there at that point or black people and or Latino black people and I wasn't quite sure how to approach the group without being like Steve Bushemi and 30 rock like how do you do fellow kids?
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't I wasn't sure how to not be a loser kind of So and that is like a form of racism where I was like whoa these people are cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got a sort of get in with you know like this idea that I like couldn't approach regular
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like a microaggression I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, definitely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was in talking about the class like division on top of that because I mean, I've seen that too It's just so I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like the difference between people that are fearful of hummus and aren't is just that they don't ask like why don't you like I want you to have us together like they don't like I don't think that when I see them I think like what happened to you like what happened?
[SPEAKER_01]: What happened?
[SPEAKER_03]: because I've met so I used to live in your park or a bunch of homeless people would do it together so to speak to them how it's all the time especially as a kid I used to go there even as a kid and I never got hurt where there's some people that were like obviously meant to be on volume cars like there's why they're there and yeah sometimes then camonds got dirty and crazy but I mean
[SPEAKER_03]: They're kind of like forced there, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're stuck in a cycle.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the sooner we are able to help them clean up that cycle, the sooner it just becomes better for everybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like those people are still in our society, no matter what your view is.
[SPEAKER_03]: The thing, like everything going on with ice and burpetrol is the way that those kinds of people treat everything else.
[SPEAKER_03]: They want to stay in their neighborhoods and keep the white picket fence shut everything out.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, it's not going anywhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: This isn't going to go anywhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those homeless people are going to go anywhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everything that you think is going to uphold your comfort like life in Los Angeles isn't going to go anywhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's still going to be there no matter what.
[SPEAKER_03]: When students step out, it's going to be there.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can condemn it, you can be mad about it, you can ignore it, but like it's not going anywhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like fucking obviously it needs to be fixed at some point, you know, ignoring forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was intimidated by you initially because yeah, because I thought, okay, this person is Latino.
[SPEAKER_01]: He knows a lot more about this than I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if I talk to him, I'm going to sound dumb or like I had this idea that you were a very serious person.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that you were like doing all of this serious work and that there was nothing I could say to you that wouldn't sound like white and idiotic.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's that's fine though.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean you're everyone that doesn't know why don't I feel that way about white people Yeah, I know it's just I don't know why is there an assumption that there's an aggressiveness to you Yeah, I know I've I've talked to some people about that before actually I've had like altercations with like specific Community watchers and it's usually white females and they like start attacking me and making it seem like I'm just aggressive Man and like I don't I'm five six and I'm
[SPEAKER_01]: No, once I talked to you one time, I was like, oh, he's kind of smiley and like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not like, I'm not serious.
[SPEAKER_03]: I take what I do seriously, but I mean, I, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I grew up with a lot of funny people.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think those are funny, guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: Please trust me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Extremely funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I've never been roasted harder in my life.
[SPEAKER_03]: But holy shit like they're just funny people.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean even if it was something like vaccines and even after I get taken by eyes Or just like trying to make the best of it like I don't know, but they're funny as fuck trust me But I was telling these white girls like have you not have you never like seen what happens when like what I'm in sort of teasing black men of
[SPEAKER_03]: crimes that they didn't really commit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you're not realized that you're talking about white supremacy, you're talking about all these things, but then you're like obviously there's pitchy article roots, but you can't like just you just realize that to justify the way you're condemning a black man as a white woman when they didn't really do anything, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: The media assumption for me without talking to you that you would have some sort of hard shell.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's appearance.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know and it's like asking yourself like, why do I feel like that, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: I have to catch that too, because sometimes I'll meet other people of color and I'm thinking like, I should probably approach them in specific way.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I do think that too, like, why do I feel like that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Even like, I really like, you know, as I think, oh, I'm like, this food looks harder to me, and I'm like, why do I think that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's just a kid, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: The amount of guys downtown who are like, covered, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the most face tattoos you ever seen in your life.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then are just the goofiest motherfucker.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're goofful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like are you trying to look hard, but then you just are like at some point in your life you wanted to look tough and whatever it is has not.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: The thing is that it's just cultural like I never would be hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like, what do your knuckles say?
[SPEAKER_03]: I got this in high school.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why it's a done where it says mischief because it's like.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, did I be so?
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I just thought it would make me different.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I'm not, did I be so, I'm like, mischievous.
[SPEAKER_03]: So stupid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was of the 16, I got it, so.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I only got it, because my mom, I wanted to get a Yinyang tattoo.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, I know getting that too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just a little ankle, but I'm almost like no, not signed for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, if you don't sign for it, I'm gonna get it anyway.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna come back with something more.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I came back with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: The shit on my knuckles, and I have, I got the Sun tattoo and this moment tattoo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I got all these, but be like at the same time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who among us doesn't have a moon tattoo?
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone, there was like a tweet that was like, hey, like, young queer person who went through trauma, how's that in a wrist tattoo treating you?
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was like, fuck!
[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck!
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, anyway, is he, where can people find you and more about you?
[SPEAKER_03]: Instagram, I is easy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why am I, are easy?
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