WEBVTT 00:00.031 --> 00:00.531 [SPEAKER_00]: Can we talk seven else? 00:00.551 --> 00:01.212 [SPEAKER_00]: Can we talk about something else? 00:01.232 --> 00:19.741 [SPEAKER_01]: Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 00:25.207 --> 00:30.094 [SPEAKER_00]: roses are red, violets are blue, though to the blind, this can't be true. 00:31.075 --> 00:35.161 [SPEAKER_00]: We all see the world a little bit differently, and that's what makes life interesting. 00:35.782 --> 00:41.150 [SPEAKER_00]: Any particular situation can turn on a dime, like this intro, and to rhyme. 00:42.357 --> 00:45.818 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a woman dressed in white, her whole world seems pure and bright. 00:46.318 --> 00:47.658 [SPEAKER_00]: And here's a man, all in black. 00:48.218 --> 00:50.119 [SPEAKER_00]: Cruisin' by, well, smoking crack. 00:50.679 --> 00:51.939 [SPEAKER_00]: She bends over in her garden. 00:52.459 --> 00:53.859 [SPEAKER_00]: All it takes to make him harden. 00:54.279 --> 00:56.120 [SPEAKER_00]: Green car comes around the corner. 00:56.540 --> 00:58.300 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, won't someone water? 00:58.900 --> 01:00.461 [SPEAKER_00]: He's moving now across the lawn. 01:00.941 --> 01:02.301 [SPEAKER_00]: Bishop on the hunt for pond. 01:02.901 --> 01:04.761 [SPEAKER_00]: Serbs them right, but he supposes. 01:05.462 --> 01:06.822 [SPEAKER_00]: Faces sticking up their noses. 01:07.522 --> 01:08.362 [SPEAKER_00]: Rip a rich bitch. 01:09.022 --> 01:09.742 [SPEAKER_00]: From a roses. 01:12.788 --> 01:32.802 [SPEAKER_00]: Jack Luna, this is a true crime happening, roses are dead, Monday, April 20th, 1998, Newark Delaware, the peaceful neighborhood of Academy Hill, a perfect spring afternoon. 01:33.882 --> 01:45.092 [SPEAKER_00]: 49-year-old Deborah Pugliesi, a mother, wife, and on call hospice nurse, is dreamily planting her roses while behind her, a nightmare, plants a foot into her house. 01:45.978 --> 01:51.104 [SPEAKER_00]: Debra and her husband, Nino, are days away from celebrating their 25th wedding anniversary. 01:51.784 --> 01:59.953 [SPEAKER_00]: Nino, a charming, hardworking, successful salesman who transitioned to funeral planner, death of his salesman, is likely on his way home. 02:00.634 --> 02:06.180 [SPEAKER_00]: He's probably stopped to get himself a sloppy sub, provolone for Shudo, peppers lots of oil. 02:07.120 --> 02:10.082 [SPEAKER_00]: Debra, affectionately describes Nino as Italian. 02:10.562 --> 02:11.882 [SPEAKER_00]: Stereotypically Italian. 02:12.483 --> 02:17.065 [SPEAKER_00]: They have two kids together, twins, a boy, and a girl, both recently grown up. 02:17.866 --> 02:22.388 [SPEAKER_00]: It's that time in life for parents, still together, where they'll have to get to know each other again. 02:23.217 --> 02:29.523 [SPEAKER_00]: as people, not as parents, and that's a sad but exciting place to be when still in love. 02:30.424 --> 02:37.811 [SPEAKER_00]: Their son is home for the weekend, visiting from the University of Delaware, and they had all watched the movie kiss the girls together last night. 02:38.472 --> 02:41.533 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, it wasn't a fucking porno, kissed the girls. 02:41.793 --> 02:42.813 [SPEAKER_00]: They watched that together. 02:43.293 --> 02:49.535 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a serial killer flick, starring Morgan Freeman, and the residue of it is still sticky in Deborah's mind. 02:49.995 --> 02:56.657 [SPEAKER_00]: When something resembling that movie's horrors seems to detach from her troubled imagination and step into reality. 02:58.057 --> 03:08.472 [SPEAKER_00]: Donald Flag, 40, was driving around the affluent Newark community of Academy Hill in his green plymoth hatchback, smoking crack and looking for a woman to snatch. 03:09.193 --> 03:13.959 [SPEAKER_00]: It is approximately 3pm when he spots Deborah in her yard planting rose bushes. 03:14.780 --> 03:24.103 [SPEAKER_00]: Spring is in the air, and in flagged step, as he exits his vehicle and sneaks into a side door, of the unsuspecting woman's Cape Cod style home. 03:24.903 --> 03:30.025 [SPEAKER_00]: Inside, he lurks around, getting the lay of the house, satisfied that nobody's home. 03:30.385 --> 03:33.325 [SPEAKER_00]: He checks to make sure the woman is still busy in the garden. 03:33.986 --> 03:34.366 [SPEAKER_00]: She is. 03:35.206 --> 03:39.708 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag goes to the fridge, finds Nino's beer, and grabs himself one. 03:40.349 --> 03:45.271 [SPEAKER_00]: Cracking it open softly, the violated can seems to hiss at him and protest. 03:46.132 --> 03:49.214 [SPEAKER_00]: He watches, waits, another can is consumed. 03:49.834 --> 03:52.976 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag has all day, he also has a knife and a gun. 03:53.856 --> 03:58.678 [SPEAKER_00]: Peering through the blinds he likely tugs at himself, imagining the fun, to come. 03:59.438 --> 04:02.879 [SPEAKER_00]: At around 3.15 pm, the husband appears in the garden. 04:03.500 --> 04:08.301 [SPEAKER_00]: He speaks with his wife a moment, Deborah asks Neneo to let her know when it's closer to four. 04:08.982 --> 04:11.002 [SPEAKER_00]: Neneo agrees, then heads inside. 04:11.563 --> 04:17.245 [SPEAKER_00]: Where he's soon met by a large black man, drinking his beer, and pointing a 38 caliber handgun at him. 04:18.185 --> 04:19.686 [SPEAKER_00]: Nino is shot between the eyes. 04:20.226 --> 04:21.927 [SPEAKER_00]: He's dead before he hits the kitchen floor. 04:22.667 --> 04:26.528 [SPEAKER_00]: The killer checks the window, worried he'll see the woman looking back at him. 04:27.149 --> 04:30.190 [SPEAKER_00]: But she's still occupied, heading a cat, even. 04:31.130 --> 04:31.811 [SPEAKER_00]: He has cats. 04:32.511 --> 04:36.252 [SPEAKER_00]: Donald flagged and drags the body down a hallway, and into the master bedroom. 04:36.853 --> 04:38.133 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want the wife to see it. 04:38.673 --> 04:40.714 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want her to know her husband's gone. 04:41.375 --> 04:42.355 [SPEAKER_00]: It might ruin the mood. 04:43.412 --> 04:50.294 [SPEAKER_00]: It isn't until 4 p.m. that Deborah decides she should come in and see what Nina was doing, probably laying down in their bedroom. 04:50.994 --> 04:56.616 [SPEAKER_00]: She's annoyed that he hasn't come to get her as she asked, Deborah needs to call in her availability for work by 4. 04:57.256 --> 05:08.020 [SPEAKER_00]: She is rushing inside through the garage that up a set of stairs into the kitchen area, when flagged, cold cocks her from the side, dazed on the floor, Deborah can't figure out what happened. 05:08.640 --> 05:20.184 [SPEAKER_00]: She can only see shapes as her glasses a strong prescription have been violently knocked from her face, a face that's wet, blood, no, water, from the cat dish. 05:20.904 --> 05:23.525 [SPEAKER_00]: She's landed face first in the cat's water dish. 05:24.346 --> 05:27.807 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah thinks that something must have fallen on her, then something does. 05:28.387 --> 05:35.890 [SPEAKER_00]: The shadow of flag falls, and the bright kitchen with all its angular shapes is reduced to one large human form, and her vision. 05:36.812 --> 05:37.653 [SPEAKER_00]: Where's your money, bitch? 05:38.534 --> 05:41.217 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah instantly understands and hopes Nina will rescuer. 05:41.818 --> 05:46.023 [SPEAKER_00]: No, she hopes he's sleeping, and she can get rid of this intruder without further violence. 05:46.864 --> 05:49.287 [SPEAKER_00]: When Deborah speaks, she finds that she is in fact bleeding. 05:49.607 --> 05:51.870 [SPEAKER_00]: The blow and subsequent fall busting her lip. 05:52.791 --> 05:54.733 [SPEAKER_00]: My purse, it's... Get up, bitch! 05:55.515 --> 05:58.858 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag reefs Deborah to her feet than escort her roughly to the seller door. 05:59.478 --> 06:02.300 [SPEAKER_00]: He hustles her down the stairs and shoves her to the concrete floor. 06:03.001 --> 06:06.603 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah lands on her face again, this time she thinks her nose is broken. 06:07.444 --> 06:11.086 [SPEAKER_00]: She lays face down, still, too frightened to do anything else. 06:11.887 --> 06:12.748 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he'll leave her here. 06:13.328 --> 06:17.891 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe this can end without, now, says the man, let's do this. 06:18.847 --> 06:25.889 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah feels her sweatpants being pulled down, her panties, then she is being brutally raped from behind by this animal. 06:26.669 --> 06:27.950 [SPEAKER_00]: It's quick but painful. 06:28.570 --> 06:32.811 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah is whimpering and flagged tells her to shut the fuck up and calls her a stupid bitch. 06:33.511 --> 06:41.254 [SPEAKER_00]: He then drags her back upstairs where he shoves her to the floor, hog ties her with twine, then wraps a quilt from the bedroom over her head and torso. 06:41.974 --> 06:43.554 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah hears a walk into the house. 06:44.174 --> 06:45.575 [SPEAKER_00]: She hopes he's decided to leave. 06:46.275 --> 06:52.340 [SPEAKER_00]: that he's through, gotten when he came for, but then the footsteps are back and the cupboards are being rifled through. 06:53.040 --> 06:57.423 [SPEAKER_00]: One of Deborah's cats, Paddington, sticks its head into the quilt, checking on her. 06:58.004 --> 07:00.766 [SPEAKER_00]: Then it runs away as heavy footfalls close in. 07:01.586 --> 07:03.408 [SPEAKER_00]: No, please shut up, bitch. 07:04.008 --> 07:06.650 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag grips away the quilt and holds a knife to Deborah's throat. 07:07.371 --> 07:08.491 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah begs for mercy. 07:09.192 --> 07:10.953 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to just shut your fucking mouth? 07:11.574 --> 07:12.454 [SPEAKER_00]: Then flag stretches 07:16.172 --> 07:20.733 [SPEAKER_00]: The quilt goes back over Debra, and she's lifted, hands bound to ankles behind her. 07:21.113 --> 07:21.594 [SPEAKER_00]: Hog tight. 07:22.254 --> 07:24.994 [SPEAKER_00]: She's carried to the garage where the green plymoth hatchback waits. 07:25.495 --> 07:28.235 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag opens the hatchback and tosses his captive inside. 07:28.696 --> 07:33.037 [SPEAKER_00]: Then gets in the driver's seat, starts the vehicle, and drives out like he owns the place. 07:33.697 --> 07:36.578 [SPEAKER_00]: Soon cruising back out of Academy Hill, and then home. 07:37.198 --> 07:40.399 [SPEAKER_00]: Five miles or so to the lesser suburb of Wellington Woods. 07:41.248 --> 07:48.231 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a quick enough trip, but when you don't know where you're going, like Debra, blindfolded hog tied and gagged in the back, it seems like forever. 07:48.951 --> 07:54.293 [SPEAKER_00]: She manages to get a hand-free, and sneaks it up to where she feels the felt of the hatchback and pushes it up. 07:54.993 --> 07:57.254 [SPEAKER_00]: Blindly, Debra begins waving for help. 07:58.106 --> 07:59.348 [SPEAKER_00]: The hand is soon spotted. 08:00.009 --> 08:04.056 [SPEAKER_00]: By flag, looking to his rear view mirror, fucking bitch! 08:04.597 --> 08:09.184 [SPEAKER_00]: He pulls over and comes to the back where, through the window, he warns or not to damage his car. 08:09.204 --> 08:12.269 [SPEAKER_00]: The fucking killer, if she keeps messing with his car. 08:13.148 --> 08:13.888 [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, geez. 08:14.329 --> 08:29.076 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd think that Donald Fleg, this 40-year-old factory worker who will get to know a little better and a bit, will be more concerned with this captive trying to escape or signal for help, than messing with the felt on his hatchback, and I guess in this we have gotten to know him some after all. 08:29.776 --> 08:38.459 [SPEAKER_00]: Fleg gets back in the driver's seat furious, and drives the rest of the short distance to his home, at eight Hampton Court, the so-called bear area of Newark, Delaware. 08:39.039 --> 08:44.021 [SPEAKER_00]: He pulls into his garage, and the door closes mechanically behind the plimmeth, like a mouth. 08:44.661 --> 08:46.582 [SPEAKER_00]: Debra had been thinking of Nino and her children. 08:46.982 --> 08:50.043 [SPEAKER_00]: She'd been imagining that the man was taking her to the river, where he 08:56.905 --> 09:03.108 [SPEAKER_00]: but the sound of the garage door closing kills that image, bringing to life new ones, all not great by their own right. 09:03.908 --> 09:07.170 [SPEAKER_00]: Debra has told herself that she'll screen, as soon as he opens the hatchback. 09:07.710 --> 09:09.451 [SPEAKER_00]: But when the time comes, she doesn't. 09:10.091 --> 09:12.772 [SPEAKER_00]: She is letting to the house and shove face first onto a mattress. 09:13.332 --> 09:16.694 [SPEAKER_00]: It's at this point that flag realizes she has undone her wrists. 09:17.654 --> 09:20.095 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you sneaky little bitch, she is little. 09:20.516 --> 09:22.777 [SPEAKER_00]: Debra, and that's what makes what comes next 09:24.300 --> 09:29.964 [SPEAKER_00]: He rips your sweat pants down again, slathers K-Y jelly on her behind, and rapes poor Deborah Analy. 09:30.745 --> 09:34.088 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a rare case we have here where we get such detail directly from the victim. 09:34.608 --> 09:44.336 [SPEAKER_00]: I must give that information at this point that Deborah survives this, so you don't believe I'm making this up or reveling in details that lead to a murder in which case we couldn't possibly know how the victim felt. 09:44.856 --> 09:49.742 [SPEAKER_00]: The reason I chose this case is because of the rarity of a survivor's account in such a situation. 09:50.342 --> 09:56.509 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah, if not for a few mistakes made by Flag and her ability to see them in capitalized, would surely be dead. 09:57.291 --> 09:57.811 [SPEAKER_00]: But she isn't. 09:58.531 --> 10:01.012 [SPEAKER_00]: Though in these moments, she wishes she were. 10:01.752 --> 10:08.173 [SPEAKER_00]: When she begs him to stop, flag grabs Deborah by the shoulders, he reefs her back up and pounds harder on her. 10:08.893 --> 10:12.974 [SPEAKER_00]: By Deborah's account, she says that it seems she's gone in this moment. 10:13.334 --> 10:16.135 [SPEAKER_00]: She's separated from herself, her body is being tortured. 10:16.575 --> 10:18.475 [SPEAKER_00]: But her mind manages to detach some. 10:18.995 --> 10:21.716 [SPEAKER_00]: Then he flips her over, makes nasty remarks a better. 10:22.016 --> 10:23.836 [SPEAKER_00]: A direct quote from Deborah's account goes, 10:27.037 --> 10:27.677 [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh wee! 10:28.158 --> 10:30.719 [SPEAKER_00]: Then he rapes her vaginally, until he satisfied. 10:31.399 --> 10:38.103 [SPEAKER_00]: Debra realized at some point that her begging her gas, her cries, her short screams, or what end up doing it for him. 10:38.523 --> 10:47.088 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag spells another gleeful, ooh wee, as if he just got enough of thrill ride, then he's back to his cold, serious subhuman demeanor. 10:47.968 --> 10:54.832 [SPEAKER_00]: Debra tries to talk to him, but has a wash-closs shoved in a mouth, and fresh duct tape wrapped around her lower face and head for her trouble. 10:55.715 --> 11:00.279 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag uses rough rope to bind her hands and feet behind her back, replacing the twine. 11:00.840 --> 11:04.784 [SPEAKER_00]: The thick rope eats into her skin, but that's only one part of the pain. 11:05.284 --> 11:06.986 [SPEAKER_00]: She has arched back somewhat now. 11:07.507 --> 11:09.629 [SPEAKER_00]: Hog tied, gagged, blindfolded. 11:10.169 --> 11:15.474 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag picks her up like luggage, carries her to the bathroom, tosses her in, then slams the door. 11:16.215 --> 11:19.999 [SPEAKER_00]: He comes back and throws a heavy blanket over, then Deborah hears some leave the house. 11:21.095 --> 11:22.796 [SPEAKER_00]: She lays in the tile floor in agony. 11:23.396 --> 11:32.599 [SPEAKER_00]: It's cool on the floor, but the blanket over her, the sweatpants, the sweater, the excruciating pain from the rape and her brutal bindings, soon heat her up to a suffocating temperature. 11:33.279 --> 11:34.239 [SPEAKER_00]: There is nothing but pain. 11:35.020 --> 11:36.060 [SPEAKER_00]: Unrelenting discomfort. 11:36.740 --> 11:41.142 [SPEAKER_00]: Eventually, 49-year-old kidnap and rape victim, Deborah Puglisi. 11:41.942 --> 11:42.502 [SPEAKER_00]: Passes out. 11:44.785 --> 11:46.466 [SPEAKER_00]: Police are all over the Puglisi home. 11:47.067 --> 11:48.848 [SPEAKER_00]: Donno flag confirms this himself. 11:49.468 --> 11:50.209 [SPEAKER_00]: He can't believe it. 11:50.689 --> 11:51.330 [SPEAKER_00]: So fast. 11:52.090 --> 11:59.355 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag drives back out of the affluent neighborhood, teeming with cops before one decides a black man around here is suspicious in and of itself. 12:00.056 --> 12:03.998 [SPEAKER_00]: Back at the house, Deborah is a welcome buyer, a captain who excitedly shares the news. 12:04.699 --> 12:12.905 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah assumes that her husband called in her disappearance, but it was a neighbor, one that a gifted her the rose bushes and will blame himself for this mess always. 12:13.810 --> 12:17.274 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah, it's worth mentioning again, Belize her husband is still alive. 12:17.855 --> 12:20.819 [SPEAKER_00]: If she known he was dead, maybe she would have tried speaking with him. 12:21.380 --> 12:30.291 [SPEAKER_00]: She has been speaking to her deceased mother through this, asking for her to be close, to meet her on the other side when she inevitably is killed by this monster. 12:31.325 --> 12:40.214 [SPEAKER_00]: Niño, dead, bullet in the middle of the head, laying in his bedroom, and the surrounding crime scene were discovered after Deborah failed to call in for work. 12:40.775 --> 12:43.357 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like her, so she was quickly discovered missing. 12:43.978 --> 12:49.283 [SPEAKER_00]: Blood and broken glasses left behind, Niño dead in the bedroom, a jacket over his face. 12:50.074 --> 12:52.555 [SPEAKER_00]: The killer is new to killing, it seems. 12:53.016 --> 12:57.978 [SPEAKER_00]: Covering a victim's face often indicates that the killer is ashamed or spooked by the active committed. 12:58.558 --> 13:02.560 [SPEAKER_00]: It does seem like flag is, flagging a bit, as the night goes on. 13:03.041 --> 13:07.343 [SPEAKER_00]: At one point Deborah hears a constant flick of a lighter, accompanied by large exhales. 13:07.843 --> 13:10.224 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag is sucking down rocks like a seagull. 13:10.725 --> 13:16.388 [SPEAKER_00]: He gets so fucked up and paranoid that it begins shooting his hand on at one point of the night, convinced police are outside. 13:17.168 --> 13:20.271 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not, and Deborah is left to wonder what the hell is going on. 13:21.031 --> 13:30.098 [SPEAKER_00]: By morning due to the stress of not knowing what our captor will do next, and the physical pain from the ropes, her beaten body, and the heat of the blanket, Deborah is ready to die. 13:30.799 --> 13:32.880 [SPEAKER_00]: Wishing he would just do it already. 13:34.049 --> 13:34.990 [SPEAKER_00]: flag up into the door. 13:35.690 --> 13:36.191 [SPEAKER_00]: Good morning. 13:36.871 --> 13:41.955 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah basically blinds with other glasses, sees only his shape, backlit by sad sunlight. 13:42.476 --> 13:48.941 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag reefs are up by the hogtie rope along her back that connects by loop to her from her fuck. 13:49.081 --> 13:52.384 [SPEAKER_00]: That connects in a looping fashion to her ankles to her wrists. 13:52.984 --> 13:56.827 [SPEAKER_00]: He carries her at the bathroom, first noticing that she is wet herself. 13:57.528 --> 13:59.009 [SPEAKER_00]: Soon she will soil herself, too. 13:59.710 --> 14:00.791 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't seem to give a fuck. 14:01.431 --> 14:06.175 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah is light and stiff from being left bound so tightly for such a prolonged period. 14:06.475 --> 14:07.436 [SPEAKER_00]: She's easy to carry. 14:07.836 --> 14:12.140 [SPEAKER_00]: She must look like a human duffel bag as flag slings into the floor of the living area. 14:12.880 --> 14:17.184 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah thinks she sees a cat slink away as she rocks to her side and thuds. 14:18.065 --> 14:19.206 [SPEAKER_00]: Pain is her baseline. 14:19.706 --> 14:22.088 [SPEAKER_00]: She is numb physically and mentally by this point. 14:22.488 --> 14:25.511 [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't even bother to moan or beg through the filthy gag of a rag. 14:31.459 --> 14:32.380 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen to this, bitch. 14:33.241 --> 14:39.728 [SPEAKER_00]: A television broadcast that has been indecertibly muttering in the background begins to speak up as flag raises its volume. 14:40.689 --> 14:45.354 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, our top story, the death of a Newark man and the mysterious disappearance of his wife. 14:46.375 --> 14:47.797 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah is dragged into the bedroom. 14:48.758 --> 14:50.479 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry I had to kill you as been, bitch. 14:51.375 --> 15:02.902 [SPEAKER_00]: The door closes, and Deborah still trust up tight, bent back with a thick rough rope, shoulders popping, wrists and ankles bleeding, hands swollen to twice their size, private's aching. 15:03.502 --> 15:06.684 [SPEAKER_00]: Her entire body cramped up beyond belief, feels it all again. 15:07.205 --> 15:15.190 [SPEAKER_00]: She has to feel everything now, blindfolded and gagged, Deborah carefully weaps, worried she'll choke to death, behind the gag, by sobbing. 15:15.930 --> 15:21.932 [SPEAKER_00]: motivated now to live, she is, because her children need at least one parent to survive this. 15:23.032 --> 15:26.033 [SPEAKER_00]: The days beyond learning of Nino's death are a blur. 15:26.634 --> 15:27.674 [SPEAKER_00]: There are five of them. 15:28.474 --> 15:36.017 [SPEAKER_00]: In the end, Deborah will learn it at last at 101 hours, but until then her experience is a study in torture 101. 15:37.315 --> 15:44.976 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag rapes her that same night after exposing that he killed Nino, it excites him, her new found energy to scream and cry and well. 15:45.737 --> 15:47.277 [SPEAKER_00]: He takes off the gag just to hear it. 15:47.977 --> 15:49.197 [SPEAKER_00]: Then returns it when he's through. 15:50.057 --> 15:55.018 [SPEAKER_00]: She is urine soaked, feces stained, but all this seems to only enhance his pleasure. 15:55.978 --> 16:03.700 [SPEAKER_00]: Over those five days, Deborah sometimes dreams of the four rose bushes she'd been planting, one for her, one for Nino, one for each of the twins, 16:04.713 --> 16:06.333 [SPEAKER_00]: The rose bushes are dying in her dream. 16:06.954 --> 16:09.014 [SPEAKER_00]: She planted them wrong, or something. 16:09.514 --> 16:12.335 [SPEAKER_00]: Then she's a woken to the true nightmare, her predicament. 16:12.995 --> 16:16.517 [SPEAKER_00]: It's 30 or maybe 40 hours in before he thinks to offer her water. 16:17.257 --> 16:19.097 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah is polite now when she speaks. 16:19.677 --> 16:20.478 [SPEAKER_00]: She calls him sir. 16:21.078 --> 16:22.278 [SPEAKER_00]: She asks for a pain reliever. 16:22.938 --> 16:25.039 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag goes away and comes back with a pill. 16:25.419 --> 16:27.740 [SPEAKER_00]: Pushes in her mouth makes her swallow some water. 16:28.420 --> 16:31.181 [SPEAKER_00]: He seems to be seeing her as human for the first time. 16:32.013 --> 16:34.454 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, I guess we should get you cleaned up a bit too, bitch. 16:35.334 --> 16:37.495 [SPEAKER_00]: He unties her and sits her on a chair. 16:38.176 --> 16:44.799 [SPEAKER_00]: Debra, a nurse, educates flag in the seriousness of her untreated wounds to her wrists and her ankles. 16:45.439 --> 16:46.739 [SPEAKER_00]: They're badly damaged by the rope. 16:47.420 --> 16:49.761 [SPEAKER_00]: He brings her to the bath and washes her wounds. 16:50.241 --> 16:53.863 [SPEAKER_00]: He applies anybody out of co-eatment as politely instructed by his captive. 16:54.463 --> 16:57.164 [SPEAKER_00]: He washes her hair as she's unable to lift her arms, 16:59.827 --> 17:02.028 [SPEAKER_00]: He uses scissors to cut the duct tape out of her hair. 17:02.729 --> 17:08.052 [SPEAKER_00]: The result does nothing for her appearance, Deborah later shares the Gallows humor of a nurse. 17:08.893 --> 17:11.634 [SPEAKER_00]: Then he feeds her, scrambled eggs toast coffee. 17:12.355 --> 17:13.696 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah doesn't dare to move much. 17:14.176 --> 17:18.759 [SPEAKER_00]: She knows he is testing her to see if she'll try to run or grab something to attack him with. 17:19.579 --> 17:23.302 [SPEAKER_00]: She is too weak to try, but even if she weren't, that's not her plan. 17:23.943 --> 17:28.806 [SPEAKER_00]: Her plan is to gain his trust, and earn less restriction to her mobility when left alone. 17:29.667 --> 17:31.469 [SPEAKER_00]: And she begins to gain this over the days. 17:32.069 --> 17:35.392 [SPEAKER_00]: She sleeps in his bed, doing as he asks, sexually. 17:35.992 --> 17:36.713 [SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy it, bitch. 17:37.413 --> 17:42.978 [SPEAKER_00]: They spend a couple nights as a couple, and Donald Flag's booze and drug-addled mind, at least. 17:43.918 --> 17:46.200 [SPEAKER_00]: He makes her douche, and watches her do it. 17:46.880 --> 17:52.244 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah knows this is just to get rid of evidence, as the man has shown her hygiene has no issue for him. 17:53.085 --> 17:57.768 [SPEAKER_00]: She is often embarrassed and ashamed until she learns to put those feelings out of her mind. 17:58.449 --> 18:00.490 [SPEAKER_00]: He is the one who should be feeling them. 18:01.091 --> 18:05.714 [SPEAKER_00]: At one point he tells her that he thinks he might let her go, then later he changes his mind. 18:06.395 --> 18:07.596 [SPEAKER_00]: Now that she's seen too much. 18:08.363 --> 18:11.284 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm blind, without my glasses I'm blind, says Deborah. 18:12.064 --> 18:13.504 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, bitch, you've seen the house. 18:14.024 --> 18:16.925 [SPEAKER_00]: You've seen those pastoral scenes on the flocked wallpaper. 18:17.545 --> 18:18.786 [SPEAKER_00]: It's too distinct to this home. 18:19.566 --> 18:21.446 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll get 10 years in prison if I'm found out. 18:22.427 --> 18:23.367 [SPEAKER_00]: Flocked wallpaper. 18:24.107 --> 18:24.647 [SPEAKER_00]: 10 years? 18:25.127 --> 18:25.647 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah thinks. 18:26.528 --> 18:27.828 [SPEAKER_00]: Now she's certain he's out of his mind. 18:28.657 --> 18:32.558 [SPEAKER_00]: She tries to become, attempts to behave as if her release doesn't matter either way. 18:33.319 --> 18:39.300 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag spooks easily, once while laying and bed together sleeping, she had started the wake, coughing. 18:40.061 --> 18:44.942 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag freaked out, taking this as an attempt to escape, and she'd been bound tight once again. 18:45.502 --> 18:47.323 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a touchy game to earn this man's trust. 18:47.843 --> 18:52.705 [SPEAKER_00]: She has to be extremely careful how she speaks to him, how she moves around him, how she even looks at him. 18:53.500 --> 18:55.041 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah has counted four cats. 18:55.681 --> 18:56.761 [SPEAKER_00]: She herself had four. 18:57.321 --> 18:58.602 [SPEAKER_00]: She has four rose bushes too. 18:59.162 --> 18:59.742 [SPEAKER_00]: Very strange. 19:00.383 --> 19:05.825 [SPEAKER_00]: The host does not smell like cats, which means he cares for them, which means he has some heart for life. 19:06.625 --> 19:13.268 [SPEAKER_00]: If she can just behave appropriately, hide or disdain when he rapes her, hide or fear in a desperation to be out of this place. 19:14.268 --> 19:15.989 [SPEAKER_00]: Not bitch, I can't let you go, I'm sorry. 19:16.829 --> 19:18.810 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, then kill me for Christ 6. 19:19.853 --> 19:20.913 [SPEAKER_00]: But things don't get worse. 19:21.434 --> 19:23.635 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't exactly get better, but they don't get worse. 19:24.135 --> 19:27.276 [SPEAKER_00]: And when the man goes to work, he leaves her with that a gag or a blindfold. 19:27.876 --> 19:29.677 [SPEAKER_00]: She has left in the dark and bedroom to sleep. 19:30.157 --> 19:31.758 [SPEAKER_00]: Bound, of course, but not so tight. 19:32.238 --> 19:35.420 [SPEAKER_00]: Still, she can't escape and doesn't risk moving around too much. 19:35.760 --> 19:40.022 [SPEAKER_00]: To struggle, he checks the bindings when he gets home for any effort to loosen them. 19:40.322 --> 19:43.223 [SPEAKER_00]: He returns in a mentally from work to see if she's attempting to escape. 19:43.903 --> 19:44.984 [SPEAKER_00]: She waits for her chance. 19:45.724 --> 19:48.126 [SPEAKER_00]: rap music blares at all hours through the home. 19:48.767 --> 19:52.531 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes he changes the station and details of her kidnapping announced through the walls. 19:53.312 --> 19:58.577 [SPEAKER_00]: Eventually, Deborah just accepts that this will be the way it is until either let's or go or kill her. 19:59.157 --> 20:01.019 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no point in screaming when he leaves her work. 20:01.520 --> 20:02.280 [SPEAKER_00]: The music's too loud. 20:02.921 --> 20:08.507 [SPEAKER_00]: And if nobody came for the gunshots fired that first night, she does as much of a chance of a noise complaint in this neighborhood. 20:09.407 --> 20:12.908 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag excitedly brings home a newspaper on the 23rd of April. 20:13.469 --> 20:15.509 [SPEAKER_00]: He reads to Deborah and shows her proof. 20:16.330 --> 20:23.072 [SPEAKER_00]: Three days into her disappearance, investigators are becoming convinced that Deborah Puglyce had something to do with her husband's murder. 20:23.753 --> 20:27.334 [SPEAKER_00]: It's thought that she may have had him killed, then run off with another man. 20:28.394 --> 20:30.235 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah, can't believe this. 20:30.955 --> 20:35.317 [SPEAKER_00]: She can only think of her kids what all us must be doing to them. 20:38.497 --> 20:41.839 [SPEAKER_00]: Friday, April 25th, 1998. 20:42.739 --> 20:49.102 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag is managed a couple days off during this kidnapping thing he's got going on on the side, but tonight he has to go in. 20:49.742 --> 20:52.003 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah asked him if there's anything he can do about the ropes. 20:52.624 --> 20:54.325 [SPEAKER_00]: They are destroying her wrists and ankles. 20:54.885 --> 20:58.607 [SPEAKER_00]: To her surprise, flagged decides he should replace the ropes with handcuffs. 20:59.507 --> 21:01.708 [SPEAKER_00]: He visits upon shop and returns with two sets. 21:02.348 --> 21:06.931 [SPEAKER_00]: He's in a good mood after a positive interaction with the pawn broker who asked if he was going to use them 21:08.598 --> 21:10.219 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, flag a reply. 21:10.980 --> 21:11.640 [SPEAKER_00]: Something like that. 21:12.681 --> 21:12.941 [SPEAKER_00]: Funny. 21:13.602 --> 21:14.162 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks Deborah. 21:14.803 --> 21:19.806 [SPEAKER_00]: But mainly she's wondering if he'll be dumb enough not to clamp the cuffs behind her back and tie them to the ankle cuffs. 21:20.607 --> 21:21.327 [SPEAKER_00]: No such luck. 21:21.848 --> 21:25.230 [SPEAKER_00]: But still, the cuffs give her more wiggle room than the ropes did. 21:25.931 --> 21:30.434 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah is sure to hold them stiffly together making it seem as if she has little leverage. 21:30.975 --> 21:33.356 [SPEAKER_00]: She also makes sure not to show interest in the cuffs. 21:33.957 --> 21:35.918 [SPEAKER_00]: The key is to behave defeated. 21:38.346 --> 21:45.389 [SPEAKER_00]: The man leaves her at 3.15pm for work, cuffed on the bed, hands behind her back, a rope tight to the ankle cuffs. 21:46.250 --> 21:50.832 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag says, be good bitch, closes the door, and goes to work. 21:51.692 --> 21:54.073 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah waits, she doesn't dare move. 21:55.014 --> 21:57.075 [SPEAKER_00]: The door flies back open a couple hours later. 21:57.495 --> 21:58.936 [SPEAKER_00]: She hadn't even heard him approach. 21:59.836 --> 22:01.117 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah pretends to be sleeping. 22:01.597 --> 22:02.897 [SPEAKER_00]: She is on her side on the bed. 22:03.478 --> 22:05.439 [SPEAKER_00]: The exact position he left her in. 22:06.254 --> 22:18.284 [SPEAKER_00]: The flag is satisfied, it returns to work at the Newark Chrysler Auto Plant, Deborah gets to work on the notch she can reach, now that these fairly loose cuffs have given her the ability to potentially escape. 22:19.024 --> 22:28.052 [SPEAKER_00]: It takes a while, Deborah is covered in sweat by the time she gets the first section of not wiggling a little, if he returns to find her so sweaty, he'll know she's up to something. 22:28.612 --> 22:31.153 [SPEAKER_00]: If he sees the nod as loosened, he'll probably kill her. 22:31.633 --> 22:36.435 [SPEAKER_00]: At the very least, the cuffs will be replaced with the heavy rope again and her chances will be all but lost. 22:37.296 --> 22:39.717 [SPEAKER_00]: When he left this time, he turned the music down. 22:40.477 --> 22:46.620 [SPEAKER_00]: The house is quiet, except for the low home of something mechanical and the occasional sound of a cat lurking about. 22:47.489 --> 22:48.229 [SPEAKER_00]: her wrist burnt. 22:48.769 --> 22:53.091 [SPEAKER_00]: The metal edges of the cuffs have already started cutting into the same places, the rope destroyed. 22:53.911 --> 22:55.052 [SPEAKER_00]: Sweat runs into her eyes. 22:55.572 --> 22:59.253 [SPEAKER_00]: Debra wipes her face in the matches when she can, then goes back to the knot. 22:59.813 --> 23:03.555 [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't know how long it takes, hours, but finally 23:04.435 --> 23:09.780 [SPEAKER_00]: the loop that is connected by a large knot making the hog tie gives. 23:10.360 --> 23:13.283 [SPEAKER_00]: She pulls her arms free from her ankles, the rope dropping. 23:13.944 --> 23:18.307 [SPEAKER_00]: Her ankles and wrists are still cuffed together mind you, but she can move. 23:18.868 --> 23:23.192 [SPEAKER_00]: She rolls carefully off the bed and onto the floor, trying not to make any noise. 23:23.792 --> 23:24.913 [SPEAKER_00]: The bedroom door is closed. 23:25.494 --> 23:26.555 [SPEAKER_00]: She shuffles over to it. 23:27.015 --> 23:27.936 [SPEAKER_00]: The cuff center ankles 23:30.158 --> 23:32.060 [SPEAKER_00]: She finds the door and turns her back to it. 23:32.540 --> 23:35.563 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah puts up a prayer that the man will be waiting on the other side. 23:36.183 --> 23:37.765 [SPEAKER_00]: She wholeheartedly believes he is. 23:38.425 --> 23:39.106 [SPEAKER_00]: Enjoying this. 23:39.666 --> 23:43.910 [SPEAKER_00]: Waiting for as delicious moment when he'll pop out and say, SPRIES BITCH, YOU FUCKED! 23:44.611 --> 23:47.834 [SPEAKER_00]: She'll scream and then she'll terrorize her all over again. 23:48.134 --> 23:48.935 [SPEAKER_00]: Re-invigorate it. 23:49.395 --> 23:50.056 [SPEAKER_00]: She'll be killed. 23:50.676 --> 23:53.479 [SPEAKER_00]: Certainly by the time he's done, maybe even thrown in the river. 23:54.039 --> 23:54.359 [SPEAKER_00]: A life. 23:55.000 --> 23:55.681 [SPEAKER_00]: Her worst nightmare. 23:56.646 --> 23:59.048 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah can't bring herself to begin fiddling with the door now. 23:59.588 --> 24:01.009 [SPEAKER_00]: She stands with her back to the door. 24:01.529 --> 24:03.950 [SPEAKER_00]: Her only way out, wondering if she won't do it. 24:04.571 --> 24:07.052 [SPEAKER_00]: Will she still be standing here, frozen by fear? 24:07.673 --> 24:12.256 [SPEAKER_00]: When he returns, that is if he isn't already on the fucking other side of this door. 24:12.616 --> 24:14.597 [SPEAKER_00]: She thinks she's already dead. 24:15.497 --> 24:16.038 [SPEAKER_00]: She knows it. 24:16.978 --> 24:17.919 [SPEAKER_00]: Then a voice in her head. 24:18.819 --> 24:19.640 [SPEAKER_00]: Hang in there, honey. 24:20.901 --> 24:21.181 [SPEAKER_00]: Mom? 24:22.342 --> 24:22.702 [SPEAKER_00]: Nino? 24:23.862 --> 24:24.562 [SPEAKER_00]: She goes for it. 24:25.122 --> 24:26.062 [SPEAKER_00]: The door is unlocked. 24:26.683 --> 24:33.944 [SPEAKER_00]: She turns the knob, pulls open the door a crack, turns the shoulder and prize it wider with her head, no bullet meets her between the eyes. 24:34.724 --> 24:35.644 [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost a let down. 24:36.464 --> 24:37.845 [SPEAKER_00]: This is so fucking scary. 24:38.625 --> 24:40.405 [SPEAKER_00]: The rest of the house is darkened on the bedroom. 24:40.925 --> 24:44.746 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah moves towards the faint outline of a doorway she thinks leads into the living room. 24:45.466 --> 24:46.766 [SPEAKER_00]: Something brushes past her leg. 24:47.427 --> 24:47.987 [SPEAKER_00]: She frees us. 24:48.747 --> 24:49.167 [SPEAKER_00]: A cat. 24:49.948 --> 24:51.609 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, it's like a cheap horror movie. 24:52.230 --> 24:53.771 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah's hands are still behind her back. 24:54.211 --> 24:56.373 [SPEAKER_00]: She has to feel for furniture with her hips and legs. 24:57.094 --> 24:58.395 [SPEAKER_00]: She bumps into a low table. 24:58.835 --> 25:00.316 [SPEAKER_00]: Then the edge of what feels like a couch. 25:01.157 --> 25:02.938 [SPEAKER_00]: Somewhere in the dark she knocks something over. 25:03.379 --> 25:04.980 [SPEAKER_00]: It hits the floor of the soft thud. 25:05.620 --> 25:07.322 [SPEAKER_00]: She stops again and waits. 25:07.802 --> 25:08.483 [SPEAKER_00]: Heart hammering. 25:09.023 --> 25:11.725 [SPEAKER_00]: Listening for the sound of a car or the garage door. 25:12.686 --> 25:13.046 [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing. 25:13.707 --> 25:17.190 [SPEAKER_00]: She keeps searching with her body until she hits something hard and rectangular. 25:19.178 --> 25:25.461 [SPEAKER_00]: She turns and backs into it, running your cuffed hands along the surface until her fingers find the shape of a phone. 25:26.101 --> 25:28.762 [SPEAKER_00]: She lifts the receiver, then finds the number pad. 25:29.542 --> 25:30.103 [SPEAKER_00]: So close. 25:30.823 --> 25:32.244 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah tells herself to concentrate. 25:32.904 --> 25:33.624 [SPEAKER_00]: Where are the numbers? 25:34.264 --> 25:35.405 [SPEAKER_00]: What is the correct sequence? 25:35.985 --> 25:38.646 [SPEAKER_00]: She visualizes the buttons, then goes for it. 25:39.547 --> 25:42.408 [SPEAKER_00]: To this day, she can't believe she was able to get it. 25:43.048 --> 25:43.608 [SPEAKER_00]: First try. 25:43.628 --> 25:44.789 [SPEAKER_00]: 9. 25:44.829 --> 25:44.889 [SPEAKER_00]: 1. 25:44.909 --> 25:44.949 [SPEAKER_00]: 1. 25:48.116 --> 25:51.800 [SPEAKER_00]: When the operator, a man, answers, Deborah keeps her voice low. 25:52.461 --> 25:56.905 [SPEAKER_00]: She is crouched, set the receiver to the floor, and is now lying with her face next to it. 25:57.666 --> 25:58.967 [SPEAKER_01]: Help me, please. 25:59.708 --> 26:00.629 [SPEAKER_00]: He killed my husband. 26:01.270 --> 26:01.970 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm handcuffed. 26:02.611 --> 26:03.532 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where I am. 26:04.553 --> 26:05.694 [SPEAKER_00]: The operator asks her name. 26:06.375 --> 26:07.036 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah gives it. 26:07.964 --> 26:10.445 [SPEAKER_00]: No recognition from the operator, which is astounding. 26:10.965 --> 26:12.426 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah's name has been all over the news. 26:12.866 --> 26:17.188 [SPEAKER_00]: This call should have been one that a 911 call center would be waiting for, hoping for. 26:17.709 --> 26:18.869 [SPEAKER_00]: But he doesn't have a clue who she is. 26:19.770 --> 26:22.811 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah continues trying to explain and is told to speak up. 26:23.471 --> 26:24.932 [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I fucking can't. 26:25.292 --> 26:27.433 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he might be fucking around the corner. 26:27.773 --> 26:28.714 [UNKNOWN]: You fucking can't. 26:28.974 --> 26:31.475 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't she didn't say any of that, which is probably thinking it. 26:32.296 --> 26:33.096 [SPEAKER_00]: Then she hears a click. 26:33.816 --> 26:34.777 [SPEAKER_00]: Did he just hang up on her? 26:35.532 --> 26:38.214 [SPEAKER_00]: Then another male voice, this turns out to be an officer. 26:39.054 --> 26:42.956 [SPEAKER_00]: Over the next 10 minutes or so, Deborah has asked a series of questions she can answer. 26:43.517 --> 26:44.017 [SPEAKER_00]: Where are you? 26:44.617 --> 26:45.097 [SPEAKER_00]: Who is he? 26:45.738 --> 26:47.479 [SPEAKER_00]: What does the exterior of the home look like? 26:47.999 --> 26:51.561 [SPEAKER_00]: Thankfully, and Deborah later will credit this with saving her life. 26:52.122 --> 26:57.705 [SPEAKER_00]: The advancement of 911 had recently reached a point where her location was on the operator's screen. 26:58.305 --> 27:21.458 [SPEAKER_00]: It would have been nice for someone to inform her of this, as through most of the time she spent on the line trying to convince someone she needed help, Deborah was convinced they weren't believing her, and was convinced that her attacker would return home before anyone could find her, lights flash outside, white, no reds, no blues, the officer on the line continues asking Deborah questions, she's too afraid to answer. 27:22.315 --> 27:23.376 [SPEAKER_00]: Ma'am, they're outside. 27:23.396 --> 27:23.936 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you see them? 27:24.636 --> 27:25.457 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah can't speak. 27:25.837 --> 27:26.497 [SPEAKER_00]: She's too frightened. 27:27.058 --> 27:27.638 [SPEAKER_00]: What if it's him? 27:28.478 --> 27:30.559 [SPEAKER_00]: The officer outside calls for the window. 27:30.980 --> 27:31.820 [SPEAKER_00]: Bangs on the door. 27:32.681 --> 27:32.961 [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing. 27:33.801 --> 27:37.163 [SPEAKER_00]: After a little while, he decides it must be a prank and turns to leave. 27:37.943 --> 27:42.646 [SPEAKER_00]: But then Deborah finally believes the man on a line who was yelling at her screaming at her, respond to them. 27:42.726 --> 27:43.386 [SPEAKER_00]: They're right there. 27:44.287 --> 27:46.568 [SPEAKER_00]: And she lets her a guttural screen. 27:47.921 --> 27:48.961 [SPEAKER_00]: She hadn't wanted to do it. 27:49.661 --> 27:52.162 [SPEAKER_00]: Now the door is being kicked in, and she's certain it's him. 27:52.962 --> 27:54.163 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course this makes no sense. 27:54.763 --> 28:04.085 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag would have unlocked the door himself rather than break into his own house, but Debra's mind is an operating uncommon sense, it's in a state of panic, overwhelmed by pure terror. 28:04.985 --> 28:08.686 [SPEAKER_00]: Even when two officers enter and try to calm her down, she can't stop screaming. 28:09.126 --> 28:10.847 [SPEAKER_00]: She knows she should, but she can't. 28:16.217 --> 28:17.618 [SPEAKER_00]: She still does not believe it's over. 28:18.178 --> 28:23.201 [SPEAKER_00]: Even when bolt cutters are used to break the chains and she's brought to her feet wearing silver cuff bracelets. 28:23.701 --> 28:25.863 [SPEAKER_00]: Denver still thinks he'll come home and kill everyone. 28:26.643 --> 28:27.203 [SPEAKER_00]: Get out of here. 28:27.544 --> 28:28.524 [SPEAKER_00]: Get me out of here, please. 28:28.784 --> 28:29.565 [SPEAKER_00]: We gotta get out of here. 28:29.905 --> 28:31.106 [SPEAKER_00]: God, get these cuffs off of me. 28:31.786 --> 28:32.987 [SPEAKER_00]: For now, she'll have to wear them. 28:33.507 --> 28:34.528 [SPEAKER_00]: Like God E. Jewelry. 28:35.178 --> 28:39.142 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah is brought out of the home and is greeted by the shocked faces of congregating neighbors. 28:39.642 --> 28:40.683 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a nice looking neighborhood. 28:41.284 --> 28:42.005 [SPEAKER_00]: She can't believe it. 28:42.766 --> 28:44.027 [SPEAKER_00]: Why didn't any of these people help? 28:44.547 --> 28:45.588 [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't they hear my screams? 28:46.109 --> 28:46.770 [SPEAKER_00]: The gunshots? 28:47.310 --> 28:48.011 [SPEAKER_00]: The loud music? 28:48.952 --> 28:50.073 [SPEAKER_00]: It turns out some had. 28:50.814 --> 28:52.876 [SPEAKER_00]: But figured it was none of their business. 28:54.045 --> 28:55.345 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah has taken to the hospital. 28:55.805 --> 29:04.048 [SPEAKER_00]: She has treated for severe dehydration, a broken toe, her badly beaten face, and for the deep injuries the restraints left in her wrists and ankles. 29:04.748 --> 29:06.008 [SPEAKER_00]: She didn't even know her toe was broken. 29:06.368 --> 29:08.509 [SPEAKER_00]: It only started throbbing when she got to the hospital. 29:09.029 --> 29:12.230 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe she's stubbed it and broke it, walking through the house in the dark. 29:13.030 --> 29:17.171 [SPEAKER_00]: And I stubbed my toe recently and I broke my baby toe. 29:17.611 --> 29:21.512 [SPEAKER_00]: So I can relate to Deborah in this situation. 29:22.666 --> 29:23.941 [SPEAKER_00]: Not entirely, but a little bit. 29:24.892 --> 29:28.935 [SPEAKER_00]: Two detectives, both male, are tasked with documenting all evidence. 29:29.596 --> 29:35.480 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah is asked to strip naked, stand under bright fluorescent light, and have every inch of her body examined. 29:36.161 --> 29:37.542 [SPEAKER_00]: She is the evidence. 29:38.343 --> 29:50.152 [SPEAKER_00]: Later, in her book on the case, shattered, reclaiming a life-torned part by violence by Deborah Puglusey Sharpe, Deborah will share that what she had just been through had taught her to easily disconnect from reality. 29:50.832 --> 29:53.675 [SPEAKER_00]: Two strange men clinically staring at her better naked body, 29:54.255 --> 29:55.076 [SPEAKER_00]: was no issue to her. 29:55.656 --> 29:56.737 [SPEAKER_00]: They're just collecting photos. 29:57.478 --> 30:00.781 [SPEAKER_00]: This should be a traumatizing event in and of itself, but not for Deborah. 30:01.462 --> 30:03.183 [SPEAKER_00]: She is not weakened by the entire event. 30:03.203 --> 30:06.146 [SPEAKER_00]: She seems to have been strengthened by it in some way. 30:06.907 --> 30:09.609 [SPEAKER_00]: For now, I am the evident she tells herself. 30:10.210 --> 30:13.914 [SPEAKER_00]: This is part of the process that will put the evil man away, but what he's done to me. 30:14.494 --> 30:15.415 [SPEAKER_00]: for what he did to mean you. 30:16.075 --> 30:21.419 [SPEAKER_00]: When a nurse comes to collect evidence, vaginally, and annually for the rape kit, it's now time to shower, finally. 30:21.839 --> 30:23.861 [SPEAKER_00]: Put on new clothes, get the smell off of her. 30:24.701 --> 30:28.764 [SPEAKER_00]: Questions will be asked, simple ones like, did he put his penis in you? 30:29.465 --> 30:33.448 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah will later share how bizarre it felt to answer such questions so simply. 30:34.048 --> 30:34.328 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 30:35.189 --> 30:36.810 [SPEAKER_00]: There is so much more to it than a yes. 30:37.331 --> 30:39.553 [SPEAKER_00]: The having to pretend to like it is one thing. 30:40.133 --> 30:44.096 [SPEAKER_00]: Making sure she performed well enough to make him want to keep her alive, another. 30:44.617 --> 30:48.240 [SPEAKER_00]: These are things only Debra, or someone who's been in her predicament could truly understand. 30:48.980 --> 31:00.810 [SPEAKER_00]: They are their own shattered pieces of the total damage, the guilt and shame parts, that Debra Puglisi spent the rest of her life overcoming, and explained so well in her powerful and incredibly brave book, Shattered. 31:01.764 --> 31:11.948 [SPEAKER_00]: According to 11 p.m. that night, not long before a shifts end at the Chrysler plant, 40-year-old Donald Flag is approached by a team of officers dressed in factory coveralls. 31:12.588 --> 31:18.811 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag is busy on an assembly line that makes car doors when he's grabbed from behind in a bear hug and thrown to the ground. 31:19.571 --> 31:20.831 [SPEAKER_00]: There is a dog with a group. 31:21.472 --> 31:22.392 [SPEAKER_00]: Flag doesn't resist. 31:22.912 --> 31:23.713 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a cat person. 31:24.293 --> 31:24.693 [SPEAKER_00]: A pussy. 31:25.033 --> 31:25.413 [SPEAKER_00]: himself. 31:25.913 --> 31:26.734 [SPEAKER_00]: They'll soon realize. 31:27.573 --> 31:34.423 [SPEAKER_00]: Back at the hospital reporters are swarming, trying to get the scoop, going so far as to impersonate family in order to get to Deborah. 31:35.244 --> 31:36.967 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah has asked to come up with a password. 31:37.528 --> 31:39.571 [SPEAKER_00]: Once she can give to those she truly wants to see. 31:40.392 --> 31:42.195 [SPEAKER_00]: She thinks a moment then finds it. 31:43.169 --> 31:43.569 [SPEAKER_00]: Rose's. 31:44.349 --> 31:52.353 [SPEAKER_00]: Debra Pugli see have been missing for 101 hours and all hope for her safe return have been lost by family members, friends, and the community at large. 31:53.033 --> 32:00.436 [SPEAKER_00]: Keering a first survival in torment by a rape-driven killer and kidnapper, they are shocked, relieved, many are ashamed. 32:01.036 --> 32:05.118 [SPEAKER_00]: Her kids at Heldon never believing their mother could be responsible for their father's murder. 32:05.858 --> 32:16.711 [SPEAKER_00]: Despite her injuries, including a massive bruise on her face from the initial blow, Deborah vows to attend her dead husband's funeral, that very Sunday, and there will be roses. 32:18.094 --> 32:21.316 [SPEAKER_00]: The trial begins almost a year later in April of 1999. 32:21.937 --> 32:24.699 [SPEAKER_00]: Donald Flagd does not dispute what he did to Nino in Debra. 32:25.179 --> 32:27.560 [SPEAKER_00]: He admits the shooting, the abduction, the rapes. 32:28.261 --> 32:30.222 [SPEAKER_00]: What he claims is that he was insane when he did it. 32:30.823 --> 32:36.807 [SPEAKER_00]: His lawyers tried to build a picture of a man so saturated by crack cocaine that he no longer understood the nature of his actions. 32:37.307 --> 32:38.108 [SPEAKER_00]: But there's something else. 32:38.748 --> 32:43.850 [SPEAKER_00]: Three days before he walked into the Puglisi house, Flag had done nearly the same thing to another woman. 32:44.230 --> 32:45.731 [SPEAKER_00]: Her name is said to be Karen King. 32:45.791 --> 32:48.452 [SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't find a lot of information on her, and that may be a false name. 32:49.133 --> 32:53.014 [SPEAKER_00]: He entered her home through a back door, used a knife to control her, and raped her. 32:53.615 --> 33:02.839 [SPEAKER_00]: He did not kill her, he didn't take her, but the method is close enough that prosecutors are allowed to bring the King attack into the Puglisi trial, as evidence that Flag knew exactly what he was doing. 33:03.339 --> 33:04.240 [SPEAKER_00]: that he had done it before. 33:04.720 --> 33:09.185 [SPEAKER_00]: The similarities between these two crimes they argue show planning, not psychosis. 33:10.166 --> 33:11.086 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah testifies. 33:11.627 --> 33:16.031 [SPEAKER_00]: She has calm on the stand in the way only someone who has already survived the worst can be. 33:16.652 --> 33:17.993 [SPEAKER_00]: She describes the five days. 33:18.453 --> 33:20.715 [SPEAKER_00]: She describes the moment she heard her husband's name in the news. 33:21.256 --> 33:24.259 [SPEAKER_00]: She describes the handcuffs and the knot and the phone she could not see. 33:24.559 --> 33:27.041 [SPEAKER_00]: Yet still was able to find a way to call for help. 33:27.722 --> 33:28.543 [SPEAKER_00]: flag is convicted. 33:29.083 --> 33:30.224 [SPEAKER_00]: The jury recommends life. 33:30.885 --> 33:37.250 [SPEAKER_00]: Delaware still has the death penalty at the time, and the judge could have overwritten the recommendation incentive to die, but he doesn't. 33:37.850 --> 33:43.695 [SPEAKER_00]: Judge Norman A. Baron gives flag 8 consecutive life sentences plus 166 years. 33:44.356 --> 33:52.622 [SPEAKER_00]: On top of that, for the first 10 years of the sentence, flag is ordered to spend five days in solitary confinement every April 20th through 25th. 33:53.703 --> 33:59.485 [SPEAKER_00]: The anniversary of the hours, he'd held Debra, which is interesting I've never heard of a judge doing something like that before. 34:00.405 --> 34:03.446 [SPEAKER_00]: Debra does manage to attend a new funeral before the trial begins. 34:04.006 --> 34:06.086 [SPEAKER_00]: She is still recovering when she walks into the church. 34:06.627 --> 34:07.507 [SPEAKER_00]: Her wrists are bandaged. 34:07.987 --> 34:09.067 [SPEAKER_00]: She sits with her children. 34:09.227 --> 34:14.569 [SPEAKER_00]: The twins and says goodbye to the man she had been married to for almost just days away from 25 years. 34:16.009 --> 34:17.931 [SPEAKER_00]: Deborah Fuglissie will eventually remarry. 34:18.412 --> 34:20.354 [SPEAKER_00]: She will take the name sharp on to her name. 34:21.055 --> 34:21.816 [SPEAKER_00]: She will write a book. 34:22.357 --> 34:27.022 [SPEAKER_00]: She will spend years speaking to rooms full of people about what it means to survive something that was supposed to end her. 34:27.643 --> 34:31.147 [SPEAKER_00]: She will say more than once that she does not forgive Donald Fleg. 34:31.948 --> 34:41.371 [SPEAKER_00]: And every April, for the first decade of his sentence, Donald Flagg sits alone in a cell while the calendar marks the same five days he spent terrorizing Deborah Puglisi. 34:42.091 --> 34:46.993 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems that in this way, he was corrected about the ten years he told Deborah his crime would be worth. 34:47.653 --> 34:55.455 [SPEAKER_00]: It turns that his count was off by at least a hundred and sixty-six, multiplied by eight life sentences, some mind-bending number that flag can't wrap his head around. 34:56.195 --> 35:01.297 [SPEAKER_00]: All that counts in the end is that he's now the one confined, and Deborah is free. 35:02.187 --> 35:03.188 [SPEAKER_00]: the way things should be. 35:04.350 --> 35:05.191 [SPEAKER_00]: Back to the roses. 35:05.812 --> 35:06.292 [SPEAKER_00]: Not dead. 35:07.133 --> 35:07.374 [SPEAKER_00]: Red. 35:07.934 --> 35:09.276 [SPEAKER_00]: Debra Puglise's sharp. 35:09.917 --> 35:10.878 [SPEAKER_00]: Live to see it so. 35:12.040 --> 35:12.841 [SPEAKER_00]: The major issue. 35:13.461 --> 35:14.222 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't know flag. 35:15.224 --> 35:16.005 [SPEAKER_00]: Never counted on. 35:21.199 --> 35:30.302 [SPEAKER_00]: And that will do it for more dark topic and exclusive such as brutal dark fiction and the Lunabin joined dark topic plus on Patreon, Apple or Spotify, links to the show notes. 35:30.802 --> 35:41.525 [SPEAKER_00]: I've added another episode each month, it's dark topic cold, is back, cold cases some of them solve, but just cases are cold for a long time, some still cold. 35:41.905 --> 35:43.306 [SPEAKER_00]: That's been added to the roster. 35:44.086 --> 35:44.807 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for listening. 35:45.808 --> 35:48.049 [SPEAKER_00]: I sound a little concussed. 35:48.089 --> 35:49.330 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe scratchy through that episode. 35:49.350 --> 35:52.093 [SPEAKER_00]: I went out of shooting guns for the first time, and I got scoped. 35:52.133 --> 35:57.257 [SPEAKER_00]: I shot a 300 in mag or something, and it bounced up and hit me in the forehead. 35:57.277 --> 35:59.459 [SPEAKER_00]: So now I look like Harry Potter. 35:59.679 --> 36:02.121 [SPEAKER_00]: I got a big slide slash between my eyes. 36:04.723 --> 36:05.584 [SPEAKER_00]: Dirty Harry Potter. 36:06.304 --> 36:09.747 [SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to Chris and his boys, TNT, by the way. 36:09.767 --> 36:11.989 [SPEAKER_00]: They both, they all listen to the podcast. 36:12.537 --> 36:25.660 [SPEAKER_00]: and they were there and they welcomed me and had me out there, so thank you guys, and to John who provided the venue and provided the high powered rifle in my arms and told me just a fucking fire right into my fucking forehead. 36:25.960 --> 36:27.321 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, John, I appreciate it. 36:28.141 --> 36:37.583 [SPEAKER_00]: To be able to procure my own food, you know, in these times, I think it's something that is an important thing to learn for someone like me who lives out in the middle of nowhere. 36:38.543 --> 36:40.564 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm looking forward to it, but I do have a massive 36:42.725 --> 36:49.391 [SPEAKER_00]: fucking goose egg in the middle of my forehead and a cut, dirty Harry Potter. 36:49.872 --> 36:58.900 [SPEAKER_00]: Until next time, keep those eyes cocked, those doors locked in state paranoid, uh, what an incredible story of survival, and uh, I don't know if I'll ever find another one quite like it. 36:59.941 --> 37:01.843 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, talk to you soon, big love everybody.