WEBVTT 00:08.709 --> 00:18.420 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Marvel Vision, a podcast about Marvel, the MCU, and right now VisionQuest, oh, this VisionQuest is almost over, we have almost completed our VisionQuest, I'm Alex. 00:19.041 --> 00:20.082 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Ultron, probably. 00:20.728 --> 00:35.230 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh wow, I'm I'm Pete and we're going to be talking about vision quest episode seven Emolation the penhole to me to episode of the series if you haven't checked it on on Disney Plus please do because we're going to spoil it starting right now, but big episode lots of stuff goes down 00:35.630 --> 00:48.155 [SPEAKER_02]: particularly the main thrust of it is that vision is going to a journey to the bottom of his code slash soul where he finds out a little bit about his origins going all the way back to Jim Hammond and Phineas Horton. 00:48.575 --> 00:54.277 [SPEAKER_02]: We also at the same time follow jacosta going on a journey of her soul of her own. 00:54.797 --> 01:04.720 [SPEAKER_02]: leading to the revelation that the revelation of the human that Ultron is based on who turns out to be the client, the guy behind this, etc. 01:05.060 --> 01:09.682 [SPEAKER_02]: We also get hoops and pallet and I guess is dead and Friday is dead, so you know, that's cool too. 01:10.462 --> 01:13.103 [SPEAKER_02]: Basically, lots of big stuff going down here in this, 01:13.703 --> 01:15.604 [SPEAKER_02]: how we're plus long episode, I think. 01:15.644 --> 01:16.424 [SPEAKER_02]: I have it, frankly. 01:16.885 --> 01:21.307 [SPEAKER_02]: Big one, I'll just say I loved this episode. 01:21.487 --> 01:26.310 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely loved it and I'm curious to see if you guys feel the same or less. 01:28.151 --> 01:29.912 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I love this show. 01:29.932 --> 01:39.357 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think this show, I mean, this show is doing the opposite of every other marvel show I feel like it's getting better over time. 01:39.577 --> 01:42.338 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it started in a place and I feel like every show 01:43.886 --> 01:47.247 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't say this with any joy, it gets worse over time and a little wobbleier. 01:47.727 --> 01:54.789 [SPEAKER_00]: This one I feel like everything is really coming to a head in the point where I was like, was I being sort of a dick before in the first two episodes? 01:55.169 --> 01:55.989 [SPEAKER_00]: The answer is yes. 01:56.549 --> 02:05.072 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess so, because it's really, the, some of the ideas that were laid out, but like, the Tony Stark and all that stuff, which felt like unnecessary retcon. 02:05.112 --> 02:08.933 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh no, they, it was a meaningful idea that is getting us to this. 02:09.573 --> 02:23.816 [SPEAKER_00]: larger place with the story and I was just very impressed and I think maybe the secret here is build your show around a character and an actor like James Spader as Ultron that elevates literally everything. 02:26.436 --> 02:34.678 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and I had to do something when I had onto that, but I'm curious to hear what Pete thinks first because it sounds like you're a little dubious. 02:36.588 --> 03:01.579 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... i do be uh... yeah so uh... uh... so we only have one more episode left is that correct yes uh... it's part of the podcast where we give you the episode count of anything it's just one of those things because we got two twos in now we're just getting one so i just want to really buy one of you know you know i think we got a lot of questions for sure but i want to people at home are probably thinking like peat you could just look this up but peat can't because he's so scared of seeing a spoiler 03:04.581 --> 03:13.569 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what's going on with his subscription, did it lapse, or something like that, because otherwise every week he used to get it flipped through the whole thing. 03:14.370 --> 03:18.433 [SPEAKER_00]: He's still making the same casserole from 1985 to the last time. 03:18.493 --> 03:20.115 [SPEAKER_02]: And he keeps getting better every year. 03:20.295 --> 03:21.736 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what is our yellow casserole? 03:21.796 --> 03:24.379 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that right, yellow with a thin layer of cheese and sauce? 03:24.759 --> 03:27.021 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, big, savory jello, yum yum. 03:27.081 --> 03:28.022 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, delicious. 03:28.722 --> 03:31.125 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, jello and cheese gross. 03:31.446 --> 03:43.579 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, yeah, I thought that this was a great episode that though I wouldn't say, you know, I wouldn't give it too much praise, but I definitely just because it was sad all the people getting killed. 03:44.160 --> 03:45.481 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but, um, 03:46.242 --> 03:51.284 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm definitely, you know, like the acting in this is absolutely phenomenal. 03:51.464 --> 03:56.367 [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, I can see why you guys like this episode because the Marvel flip was a little different in this. 03:56.427 --> 03:58.768 [SPEAKER_01]: So like really set at tone to let it go. 03:58.788 --> 04:03.970 [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of crazy to me that you're talking about the Marvel flip, which is exactly the same every time, but you're not talking. 04:04.370 --> 04:08.632 [SPEAKER_02]: We have thus far not talked about the intro, which is actually different every time. 04:08.772 --> 04:09.953 [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't be the recap. 04:10.013 --> 04:13.794 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the little previously our accessing files 04:15.976 --> 04:17.898 [SPEAKER_02]: different every time like a computer. 04:18.239 --> 04:19.140 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like a computer. 04:19.180 --> 04:19.801 [SPEAKER_02]: That's fun. 04:19.841 --> 04:20.562 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a different voice. 04:20.763 --> 04:25.029 [SPEAKER_02]: So surprisingly, I haven't brought that up and it's real failing on your apartment. 04:25.409 --> 04:27.432 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, I'm so focused on the flip. 04:27.493 --> 04:28.073 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 04:28.093 --> 04:30.016 [SPEAKER_02]: I can write you some dozen changes that isn't it? 04:30.677 --> 04:37.760 [SPEAKER_01]: It does change and it did change in this episode if you were paying attention, it was a little quieter, a little different of a, you know, it was the rebound. 04:37.800 --> 04:39.681 [SPEAKER_00]: I think maybe your volume was turned down. 04:40.101 --> 04:42.482 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a little quieter. 04:42.682 --> 04:45.243 [SPEAKER_02]: I was eating a different dinner, so that changes the whole thing. 04:46.443 --> 04:52.807 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was live jello under the cheese and sauce this time instead of lemon jello So big different taste. 04:52.907 --> 05:13.021 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean the one of the things that kind of threw me a little bit is we it got Kind of meta and we also were having a lot of different kind of visions talking at once where we have the like Human painter vision and one scene and then we had the guy who is so let me explain it I can't tell whether you're being facetious or not, but just in case anybody did miss this. 05:13.481 --> 05:15.202 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he can tell a difference either Okay 05:15.562 --> 05:27.349 [SPEAKER_02]: What we found out in this episode is Phineas Horton, the inventor of Jim back in 1939, was the human that our vision was based on. 05:27.449 --> 05:30.271 [SPEAKER_02]: One of the things that's been baked into the show is all of the eyes. 05:30.351 --> 05:31.812 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, are the source code. 05:31.932 --> 05:33.212 [SPEAKER_02]: They're based on real people. 05:33.272 --> 05:36.494 [SPEAKER_02]: So Phineas Horton was the original inventor of AI back in the 1930s. 05:37.835 --> 05:40.756 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was the author of Horton Here's a who, right? 05:40.836 --> 05:46.938 [SPEAKER_02]: That was the author of Horton Here's a who, whatever the sequel is called, I honestly can't remember he wrote that one as well. 05:47.778 --> 05:50.499 [SPEAKER_02]: Horton Here's the circus or something like that, I don't know. 05:50.519 --> 05:51.179 [SPEAKER_00]: That was like it though. 05:51.539 --> 05:54.220 [SPEAKER_00]: That's Bo, Bozzi to write a book based on you. 05:54.680 --> 05:55.581 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 05:55.621 --> 06:03.004 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, Phidious Horton as we're told his son Jim died and he tried to create, recreate him in Android form. 06:03.024 --> 06:06.666 [SPEAKER_02]: He created his son, Andrew Jim in his own energy. 06:06.686 --> 06:09.147 [SPEAKER_02]: It also looks like vision. 06:09.908 --> 06:10.528 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Pete. 06:12.309 --> 06:14.030 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, you know, I was trying the golf. 06:14.130 --> 06:15.630 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, interesting. 06:15.650 --> 06:17.031 [SPEAKER_00]: It's about father's and sons. 06:17.091 --> 06:21.253 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he was like, did you get that project about Jim and Phidious and vision? 06:21.293 --> 06:22.114 [SPEAKER_02]: The three different 06:25.540 --> 06:29.103 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, yeah, so he built his son, his son, we found fell in love. 06:29.143 --> 06:30.665 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know who we fell in love with. 06:31.025 --> 06:43.435 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a point of contention between him and his father and his strongly suggested that because his gear started moving too quickly, which set him on fire, he killed himself and his father, Phineas Quarton, in that fire. 06:43.875 --> 06:48.779 [SPEAKER_02]: However, the germs of AI were left behind and incorporated later on, 06:49.773 --> 06:50.794 [SPEAKER_02]: through variety of things. 06:50.834 --> 07:03.582 [SPEAKER_02]: We've gotten a bunch of retcons here, including the corporation that you've cost to work for, that whole group of scientists, but also Tony Stark and Bruce Banner are the other thing, working all the way down to, again, the human form of vision. 07:03.662 --> 07:06.403 [SPEAKER_02]: So, once again, it's time to fire theirs and so on. 07:06.564 --> 07:10.246 [SPEAKER_02]: Once again, vision is the descendant of these people in a certain way. 07:10.806 --> 07:15.248 [SPEAKER_02]: and he is able to come to his own emotional catharsis that lets him heal and move forward. 07:15.608 --> 07:32.133 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is the thing that I want to call out, like I have been enjoying the show more and more over the first couple of episodes, but I think just in you called out some of the walkiness about what we've been having a discussion almost every episode or every group of episodes about like 07:33.637 --> 07:56.287 [SPEAKER_02]: wise vision resisting the stuff about to be what's going on with him what actually is happening with vision versus white vision and isn't this so confusing and the moment the product home for me is when vision is in that mind-scape deep in the source code at reveals that the reason is he cannot accept the death of Billy Ty had that he really is the vision 07:56.647 --> 08:12.056 [SPEAKER_02]: which legitimately is like getting me choked up talking about right now, like I cried when I first heard that, because Paul Dentney sells that moment and it makes you realize it retroactively justifies everything that has come before in this entire show. 08:12.297 --> 08:14.498 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything that vision has been doing across the board. 08:15.503 --> 08:18.624 [SPEAKER_01]: the only thing that I grew through that was really powerful. 08:18.904 --> 08:25.605 [SPEAKER_01]: The thing that kind of pulled me out and the tough part for me was like, he's like, yeah, and I also had a daughter. 08:26.186 --> 08:38.849 [SPEAKER_01]: And like, dude, we're going through this whole father's something and the fact that you get, you don't give a shit at all about Victoria, your daughter who like was real and is alive. 08:39.349 --> 08:42.469 [SPEAKER_01]: And like, so it's really hard for me to care about you. 08:45.310 --> 08:51.375 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but the youth but the whole time just talking about your son and never acknowledge your daughter at all. 08:51.415 --> 08:54.198 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, like I said in the Senate a daughter, and I understood all that. 08:55.220 --> 08:59.361 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've told them very explicitly they're not allowed to listen to these podcasts. 08:59.622 --> 09:01.502 [SPEAKER_00]: Really good for this exact reason. 09:01.522 --> 09:04.703 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry, I send them transcripts for that parts about them. 09:05.644 --> 09:15.247 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think there's a real reason for that that I think is pointed in here because it's not that he loves the son and not the daughter, it's he lost the son. 09:15.787 --> 09:21.675 [SPEAKER_00]: and so he's working tirelessly to rebuild the son that he lost because out of guilt and loss. 09:22.116 --> 09:28.985 [SPEAKER_00]: And on the flip side, you have vision, the mirror image exactly of that, who has a son but can't face that he has a son. 09:29.659 --> 09:32.782 [SPEAKER_00]: so he can't deal with it and it's like basically internally shut down. 09:33.582 --> 09:37.266 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was some just beautiful nuance right? 09:37.286 --> 09:39.348 [SPEAKER_01]: The problem with that is you have a daughter. 09:39.528 --> 09:40.068 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 09:40.088 --> 09:48.075 [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you're hurt over the sun okay, but you also have to acknowledge you should be hurt over your daughter as well. 09:48.275 --> 09:51.518 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I can give it a show isn't saying it's going to be that he did that. 09:51.598 --> 09:53.460 [SPEAKER_00]: It's saying what a tragedy this is. 09:54.040 --> 10:13.448 [SPEAKER_00]: And his quest for the last son ended up being he made this like half version of the son who can't feel and so he was addicted to feeling things and that led to him By emulating to name the episode after that and then burning up him and his father like that's the epic tragedy of this 10:14.008 --> 10:24.793 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, but it's all too hard to hold on, but the thing that Pheneas Horton could face and could do, that is what exactly like Justin saying, Vision has been doing over the course of the show. 10:25.153 --> 10:34.018 [SPEAKER_02]: He ultimately faces it and like how this sort of dream Jim tells him, he's able to heal and move forward because he faces up to his hurt and realizes 10:35.278 --> 10:43.864 [SPEAKER_02]: As far as he knows, he's not getting Billy back, he's not getting wanded back, but Tommy is there and he can accept him as a son and do the right thing from there. 10:46.162 --> 10:50.146 [SPEAKER_01]: I understand all that and it is a journey and it is beautiful. 10:50.166 --> 10:52.528 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad he can acknowledge his son and great for him. 10:52.548 --> 10:54.951 [SPEAKER_01]: But sure, we should be seeing on this and argue the same point. 10:54.971 --> 10:58.535 [SPEAKER_01]: We've really managed to do that, but I just don't even have a line to do it. 10:58.615 --> 11:02.259 [SPEAKER_01]: Bro, if you don't acknowledge the daughter too, he's exactly the same. 11:02.319 --> 11:04.541 [SPEAKER_01]: It's what they do to the same thing. 11:05.602 --> 11:07.364 [SPEAKER_01]: You guys are like, oh, it's so beautiful. 11:07.384 --> 11:08.344 [SPEAKER_01]: I got so emotional. 11:08.364 --> 11:11.446 [SPEAKER_01]: How could you when he still fucking the fuck up? 11:12.127 --> 11:14.048 [SPEAKER_02]: He hasn't Who are you talking about? 11:14.088 --> 11:16.490 [SPEAKER_00]: You're so bad isn't even in the show. 11:16.910 --> 11:18.371 [SPEAKER_00]: It's that's what I'm saying. 11:18.411 --> 11:29.239 [SPEAKER_02]: That's insane to me You can't go through life You can I can I can I tell a quick story back when my daughter was like one and a half two years old who I love by the way Very good just to be very clear 11:30.240 --> 11:41.209 [SPEAKER_02]: We watch the Muppet movie and I don't know if you remember the Muppet movie, there's a couple of characters in there like Kermit the Frog and Ralph and Miss Piggy and like really great characters in this whole roster of Muppets. 11:41.489 --> 11:43.891 [SPEAKER_02]: There's some great villains and guest stars in there. 11:44.532 --> 11:48.015 [SPEAKER_02]: Like just incredible actors, Steve Martin shows up at one point that's crazy. 11:48.575 --> 11:53.539 [SPEAKER_02]: There's some funny running jokes as well with like a bunch of funny characters like it's a myth. 11:53.599 --> 11:55.921 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a myth and a lady comes up is like new called. 11:56.362 --> 11:57.463 [SPEAKER_02]: Very funny throughout the movie. 11:57.923 --> 11:59.544 [SPEAKER_02]: there's also in your honor. 11:59.584 --> 12:00.765 [SPEAKER_00]: What's he Alex talking about? 12:01.205 --> 12:02.906 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm getting to it. 12:03.666 --> 12:05.147 [SPEAKER_02]: They're in the movie. 12:05.307 --> 12:12.512 [SPEAKER_02]: There is also a character named Max who is a scientist who backs up Doc Hopper, who's just a guy. 12:12.872 --> 12:13.732 [SPEAKER_02]: He's just a guy. 12:13.912 --> 12:19.736 [SPEAKER_02]: Yet, my daughter, who again, one and a half two years old, when she would watch the movie, the entire time she'd be like, 12:20.636 --> 12:35.853 [SPEAKER_02]: where's Max what's going on with Max what's happening with backs of this movie and it was like why are you focusing on that there's all these other great characters anyway Pete what were you saying about the daughter on this show unrelated I'm just saying it's hard to say that 12:36.782 --> 12:44.464 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, somebody is grown and is getting better when he's still not acknowledging one part of the acclaims. 12:44.484 --> 12:48.024 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me throw out some okay, but he's doesn't he doesn't have any relationship with the daughter. 12:48.424 --> 12:51.465 [SPEAKER_02]: Phineas Horton is one story vision is the other story. 12:51.485 --> 12:53.706 [SPEAKER_02]: They are not the same person even though they look the same. 12:54.786 --> 12:59.527 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like the vision had grew from this hearing this tragic story. 12:59.927 --> 13:01.847 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's that story's completely ended. 13:01.867 --> 13:05.108 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are just like code of those people. 13:05.808 --> 13:15.471 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like when you hear a story and you're not like mad at Hercules for, you know, turning into a swan and fucking the animals we're never going to see. 13:15.552 --> 13:16.412 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you bad about that? 13:16.612 --> 13:17.672 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I am mad about that. 13:17.792 --> 13:20.093 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's part of the channel. 13:20.253 --> 13:22.054 [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to celebrate somebody's growth. 13:22.074 --> 13:22.554 [SPEAKER_00]: He loves it. 13:22.614 --> 13:25.035 [SPEAKER_01]: And they ignored a fucking whole daughter. 13:25.275 --> 13:25.975 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 13:26.375 --> 13:26.896 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 13:26.916 --> 13:28.136 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got to let's go. 13:28.156 --> 13:28.916 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to happen. 13:29.056 --> 13:29.617 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to happen. 13:31.466 --> 13:45.897 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I, I really like that and I do think the, because like you said Alex, I've been sort of stuck on like Tommy's position and all of this feels very, he's not given much to do and in this episode he's like, I love Lisa. 13:46.617 --> 13:48.978 [SPEAKER_00]: Lisa, and then that's truly all that happens with him. 13:48.998 --> 13:50.458 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, yes, it's trouble. 13:50.478 --> 13:51.418 [SPEAKER_00]: Then Lisa's okay. 13:52.119 --> 13:57.540 [SPEAKER_00]: But and I'm sure there'll be more in the final episode about this and and all of that. 13:57.700 --> 14:03.122 [SPEAKER_00]: But maybe the point is that he is the object that and from which the show is orbiting 14:03.792 --> 14:21.737 [SPEAKER_02]: that's definitely what I was taking away from it and I think we're on the same page about this in terms of Tobi does feel like a weird vestigial limb particularly when we are wrapping up everything else and paraling everything else so nicely like maybe you're just just worried but Tobi basically being a prop there is that what you said. 14:22.257 --> 14:24.438 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I said he's just the I love Lisa Robot. 14:24.910 --> 14:36.901 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I mean, he's essentially a prop for visions of emotional journey, which is okay, and would normally be okay, except everything going on with ultra on jacosta is tying in so nicely. 14:37.021 --> 14:40.945 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything with even like palleted is tying it. 14:41.485 --> 14:48.531 [SPEAKER_02]: And instead, Tommy, who should be like number two on the call sheet is not not really jelly with the show. 14:48.551 --> 14:50.353 [SPEAKER_02]: He's kind of to the side doing his own thing. 14:50.433 --> 15:00.737 [SPEAKER_00]: And I bet you will get more to justify it, but I will say I want to commend this arc for also doing something where you see vision being so upset about Billy and we're like Billy's alive. 15:00.757 --> 15:01.817 [SPEAKER_00]: We know exactly where he is. 15:01.837 --> 15:03.078 [SPEAKER_00]: He's on a witch journey. 15:04.518 --> 15:07.019 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the opposite of what Marvel shows usually do. 15:07.119 --> 15:14.422 [SPEAKER_00]: Usually they're telling you too much that you don't need to know and instead they're relying on you knowing this and not 15:15.626 --> 15:33.361 [SPEAKER_00]: We're actually we have we're drawn in because we were like vision listen to me the viewer your son Other sons alive like it's a really nice flimp and yeah such felt such You must have had an emotional response to that you love children other children. 15:33.942 --> 15:41.849 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah I Have no problem with Billy and I agree with what you're saying it would have been nice if we got a little bit of the road 15:43.801 --> 15:45.102 [SPEAKER_01]: now I'm just getting spam calls. 15:45.622 --> 15:59.408 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, the, um, you know, no man, uh, the acknowledgment of a Wanda because it's tough because they, they talk about Wanda so much that you want her to show up as well, but I guess we're not on for sure. 16:00.305 --> 16:09.229 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought for sure she was going to show the amount of time spent on Wanda in the season on and the conversation and literally the phrase family is forever. 16:09.430 --> 16:09.710 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 16:10.050 --> 16:12.451 [SPEAKER_00]: Wanda's coming back our prediction was right. 16:12.491 --> 16:12.951 [SPEAKER_00]: Hell yeah. 16:13.452 --> 16:28.259 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it was not right, but it really really let me let me throw something else out there that I thought was pretty great about this episode is there's multiple times throughout it where they have those very Marvel moments of like, 16:28.759 --> 16:30.380 [SPEAKER_02]: All man who's going to show up here. 16:30.560 --> 16:31.040 [SPEAKER_02]: Who is it? 16:31.080 --> 16:32.561 [SPEAKER_02]: Who's going to be in the season? 16:32.961 --> 16:50.550 [SPEAKER_02]: And every time it is not somebody we know, but I still founded ridiculously satisfying with every reveal like him coming down in encountering Jim Hammond that is somebody that's baked into the show, but I agree with you like there's a thought of like, who is there wanted in the source code is it going to be somebody else when he says, 16:51.210 --> 16:53.672 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man, there's only one person who could help us do this thing. 16:53.712 --> 16:57.714 [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, Ooh, which character for the mom will you dress up and then it's paladin. 16:57.734 --> 17:04.837 [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, Oh, actually that makes a lot more sense than like truly that's how anybody else this show is fixing our ruined brains. 17:05.017 --> 17:09.380 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, being like, no, no, it's the character we introduce and spent time getting to know and you like them. 17:09.880 --> 17:14.601 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's good that we did this and didn't have like random hairy styles show up. 17:16.762 --> 17:22.803 [SPEAKER_02]: And the biggest example is the end of the episode with the double reveal of human ultra ad at the end. 17:22.943 --> 17:26.584 [SPEAKER_02]: Like both the turn around with the couch like that slow reveal there. 17:26.604 --> 17:27.764 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know about you guys. 17:28.104 --> 17:31.465 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not giving myself literally any credit, but it was like during that scene. 17:31.505 --> 17:33.265 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh my god, is the guy with her? 17:33.446 --> 17:34.246 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that ultra on? 17:34.346 --> 17:35.386 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that the human ultra on? 17:35.686 --> 17:36.306 [SPEAKER_02]: And that it is. 17:36.466 --> 17:37.226 [SPEAKER_02]: So satisfied. 17:39.887 --> 17:40.448 [SPEAKER_02]: Who is it? 17:40.568 --> 17:41.028 [SPEAKER_02]: Who is it? 17:41.108 --> 17:42.069 [SPEAKER_02]: And that is here, but don't try it. 17:42.089 --> 17:44.731 [SPEAKER_00]: You're like, yes, let's go. 17:44.751 --> 17:45.231 [SPEAKER_02]: True. 17:45.271 --> 17:49.855 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a magic trick where they they show you the card and then produce the card again. 17:49.895 --> 17:51.416 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, how does that work? 17:51.456 --> 17:52.197 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm stupid. 17:53.218 --> 17:53.918 [SPEAKER_00]: Am I stupid? 17:55.479 --> 17:57.221 [SPEAKER_00]: But now it's it's it's great. 17:57.261 --> 18:06.287 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's exactly it's great for the point that you're saying is it's interior for the show versus like the client was Sharon Carter or the client is a little early at any of the 18:11.491 --> 18:14.352 [SPEAKER_02]: But this is so much more satisfying because it's intriguing. 18:14.372 --> 18:15.872 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have all the answers here. 18:15.912 --> 18:18.593 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't exactly actually know who this guy is. 18:18.673 --> 18:21.193 [SPEAKER_02]: Other that he is, the human version of Ultron showing up. 18:21.613 --> 18:22.573 [SPEAKER_02]: And that is the client. 18:23.494 --> 18:25.014 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's more story to tell. 18:25.134 --> 18:27.995 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's also like, of course it was going to be Ultron at the end. 18:28.035 --> 18:31.095 [SPEAKER_02]: Like some form of Ultron, but like there's no way around that. 18:31.195 --> 18:34.356 [SPEAKER_02]: Like they told us that at the beginning, Ultron is the bad guy. 18:34.376 --> 18:35.636 [SPEAKER_02]: He, it's a coin flip. 18:36.096 --> 18:37.297 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what they get you here. 18:37.497 --> 18:38.277 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's great. 18:38.597 --> 18:48.447 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to talk about kind of moments where, you know, when they walked into the apartment and it was all trance kind of apartment that he was trapped in in vision. 18:48.507 --> 18:50.288 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh shit. 18:51.069 --> 18:53.351 [SPEAKER_01]: And it, yeah, it's kind of exactly what we're talking about. 18:53.451 --> 19:01.159 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, yeah, use the thing that we know and bring it back in such a good way that it was just such a fun kind of reveal that way. 19:01.579 --> 19:19.840 [SPEAKER_00]: but also on that it's like oh crazy ultra on loves jacosta and it's like oh it's because human ultra on was partners with human jacosta yeah like of course it's it's showing like the the whole puppet string thing like 19:20.200 --> 19:21.962 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I think you can't cut those strings. 19:22.182 --> 19:23.883 [SPEAKER_00]: There are more strings. 19:24.123 --> 19:28.026 [SPEAKER_00]: You are the shadow play of the human that made you. 19:28.046 --> 19:29.627 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you can't. 19:29.807 --> 19:33.130 [SPEAKER_00]: When you break those strings, that's when you burn yourself and do your 19:33.592 --> 19:36.915 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and that's keeping him big ups, but I do obviously like him as a writer. 19:36.976 --> 19:40.559 [SPEAKER_02]: Terry Battleist is a Star Trek guy through and through. 19:40.599 --> 19:42.842 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where he started his career as a PA. 19:42.862 --> 19:44.443 [SPEAKER_02]: He worked as an actor or writer. 19:44.563 --> 19:46.585 [SPEAKER_02]: He worked a little bit on some of the movies. 19:46.606 --> 19:48.788 [SPEAKER_02]: He came back to the car and said to Rolla story. 19:49.268 --> 19:50.590 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, real sin to Rolla story. 19:50.690 --> 19:52.572 [SPEAKER_02]: But all of this stuff, everything that he's got. 19:53.973 --> 19:58.339 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's data and lore and like all hundred thousand. 19:58.419 --> 20:09.295 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's that it's also any number of like what is love you robot stories that have happened a billion times throughout sci-fi but the way that he is hitting it 20:10.156 --> 20:16.201 [SPEAKER_02]: with these actors who were performing so well, it feels fresh even though I've seen this million times. 20:16.622 --> 20:28.412 [SPEAKER_02]: And that is because it ultimately comes down to the emotional journey of these characters that crazily, like we didn't know our couple of episodes ago, I am emotionally invested into the journey of Jakosta in this show. 20:28.552 --> 20:33.196 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm definitely emotionally involved in Ultron, even with little moments of like 20:34.057 --> 20:38.820 [SPEAKER_02]: Friday, well, I'm forgetting exactly the phrase that Edith says to her, but like, you are strong. 20:38.900 --> 20:42.982 [SPEAKER_02]: That really pays off on her worry about, like, losing toe to your stomach. 20:43.142 --> 20:44.943 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that got me a little bit. 20:44.963 --> 20:46.564 [SPEAKER_02]: You want to say it's great. 20:46.684 --> 20:47.184 [SPEAKER_02]: It's all great. 20:47.644 --> 20:55.328 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the Friday, you know, Ultron meeting was, you know, like, you're like, oh, man, I hope you cost it. 20:55.348 --> 20:56.929 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't hear what's going on. 20:56.969 --> 21:03.033 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, but man, Ultron just casually killing everybody is just such a 21:03.893 --> 21:12.795 [SPEAKER_01]: crazy button that kind of throw on everything, especially at the end of the episode where you're just like, oh shit, did everybody just die in that van? 21:13.215 --> 21:15.076 [SPEAKER_01]: Getting blown up? 21:15.096 --> 21:22.358 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I know Vision and Jakasa were both in that van, so oh shit, this is going to be crazy last time. 21:22.378 --> 21:24.218 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think it's just paladin in the van. 21:24.238 --> 21:25.759 [SPEAKER_00]: They even shut down. 21:26.759 --> 21:29.580 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but if you were up somebody, even if they're shut down, 21:31.929 --> 21:33.510 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think they're in the physically in the van. 21:33.710 --> 21:36.211 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a question, the second question about the warning in the van. 21:36.692 --> 21:41.734 [SPEAKER_00]: So the van was that transported from on the private plane because he's in a event. 21:42.114 --> 21:43.715 [SPEAKER_00]: The new van in the separate apartment. 21:43.755 --> 21:44.556 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't even tell him. 21:44.596 --> 21:49.998 [SPEAKER_02]: And earlier episode that he has vads everywhere in major cities, he said that during the magic port episode. 21:50.038 --> 21:51.679 [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe it's a weird idea. 21:54.260 --> 21:56.981 [SPEAKER_00]: I've got something van related to the van. 21:57.281 --> 22:04.523 [SPEAKER_02]: I bet it was so they could have the van and multiple locations and not have this very question that we're having right now on the podcast. 22:04.663 --> 22:05.643 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why they had the light. 22:05.683 --> 22:09.924 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm so sorry, but I'll have a check by still talking about it. 22:10.204 --> 22:13.645 [SPEAKER_00]: Check the source code on the van usage in the show. 22:13.665 --> 22:14.945 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's how good the show is. 22:14.965 --> 22:16.385 [SPEAKER_00]: We're complaining about the van tonight. 22:16.806 --> 22:21.927 [SPEAKER_00]: I do have a question about how exciting it must have been to see this famous 22:23.105 --> 22:29.250 [SPEAKER_00]: which, of course, is the power source, the weapon of Corpus Glave. 22:29.330 --> 22:30.250 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe that. 22:30.351 --> 22:31.792 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got a call of seed. 22:31.812 --> 22:33.053 [SPEAKER_02]: I believe it's his grave. 22:33.213 --> 22:36.135 [SPEAKER_00]: It's his, it's Corpus Glave's grave. 22:36.375 --> 22:39.478 [SPEAKER_00]: We were glaven, isn't it? 22:39.498 --> 22:40.078 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. 22:40.698 --> 22:42.880 [SPEAKER_02]: That was interesting. 22:42.900 --> 22:44.581 [SPEAKER_02]: That was a fun reveal. 22:44.601 --> 22:48.645 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess, I mean, it was definitely the one that was like the furthest stretch. 22:49.385 --> 22:53.907 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're sure we have patients like yeah, you know, that was a fun flashback. 22:54.227 --> 22:54.788 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure. 22:54.848 --> 23:00.350 [SPEAKER_02]: And the show like we've been talking about on long Does it amazing job of like picking up to try this for further out the MCU? 23:00.390 --> 23:03.491 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is one piece of garbage They probably could have left on the floor 23:05.853 --> 23:21.442 [SPEAKER_00]: they showed it the the glaive going into visions head i was like okay a little bit of the weapon that killed me is now my power source that's cool but they got a lot of their way to be like you know where we need to get electricity from this really powerful stick the stick is very 23:22.062 --> 23:24.783 [SPEAKER_01]: It was also weird because it was like, oh, we need a power source. 23:24.883 --> 23:30.146 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, well, isn't that Tom's power, Thomas's power is like, I can, you know, yes. 23:30.166 --> 23:32.146 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, why not use? 23:32.226 --> 23:33.067 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how it is going to be. 23:33.087 --> 23:33.887 [SPEAKER_01]: It's right there. 23:34.507 --> 23:40.230 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like Pete, you called him Thomas, can you not call him Tommy either because if you're emotional connection, you're struggling. 23:40.625 --> 23:42.968 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, when I say Tommy, I think of Tommy Boy. 23:43.008 --> 23:43.569 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 23:43.589 --> 23:45.211 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's hard to get that out of my head. 23:45.231 --> 23:46.113 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not that. 23:46.273 --> 23:46.814 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 23:46.954 --> 23:47.114 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 23:47.254 --> 23:48.176 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, actually, sorry. 23:48.216 --> 23:49.537 [SPEAKER_00]: I just want to mark in this episode. 23:49.558 --> 23:55.245 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I finally have enough evidence to have Pete committed for just his insane way of thinking into the other. 23:55.546 --> 23:55.666 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh. 23:56.447 --> 24:00.510 [SPEAKER_00]: From the daughter to the Tommy, Tommy Boyreference, I think we're from the case, he's got it. 24:00.530 --> 24:01.070 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it. 24:01.270 --> 24:01.591 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 24:01.851 --> 24:07.014 [SPEAKER_02]: This has been a log con from Justin, your psychologist, who is now putting you away. 24:07.595 --> 24:08.335 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm sorry. 24:08.355 --> 24:09.997 [SPEAKER_00]: It's supposed to be a two-week intervention. 24:10.077 --> 24:10.617 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the thing. 24:10.837 --> 24:11.918 [SPEAKER_00]: On the years of podcast. 24:14.600 --> 24:16.001 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you're already pretty good. 24:16.021 --> 24:18.284 [SPEAKER_02]: This was our last episode. 24:18.304 --> 24:19.365 [SPEAKER_02]: Bring in the van. 24:20.245 --> 24:21.326 [SPEAKER_02]: Bring in the pallet and van. 24:21.346 --> 24:22.427 [SPEAKER_01]: The pallet and van. 24:22.468 --> 24:24.029 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got to go into it. 24:24.069 --> 24:25.010 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got to go into it. 24:29.445 --> 24:44.793 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if she's given me the wave, can I mention one thing before I forget that I thought was very fun with Edith, which that extended to everybody, see it at the beginning the episode would Friday calls vision on the phone. 24:45.254 --> 24:51.117 [SPEAKER_02]: The entire seed Edith was mirroring vision, so whatever he did with his arms, she did with her arms, which I 24:51.177 --> 24:54.139 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, when they all leaned on the table together, it's a doorbell. 24:54.159 --> 25:07.706 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very dice-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear-lear 25:13.160 --> 25:15.602 [SPEAKER_00]: I've come to love the AI ensemble as well. 25:16.142 --> 25:19.965 [SPEAKER_00]: I, that my complaint earlier, I think does still stand. 25:19.985 --> 25:33.294 [SPEAKER_00]: I wish they spent a little bit more time establishing them separately at the top of the season, because now that they all have a real function and are doing different things, I love them, I love their reactions, their interplays, excellent, really great. 25:33.734 --> 25:34.575 [SPEAKER_00]: She'll keep getting it. 25:35.015 --> 25:43.020 [SPEAKER_02]: Just to stay on that for a second, we were pretty critical, a couple of episodes back about the dummy and you joke them hitting it a couple of times. 25:43.140 --> 25:54.306 [SPEAKER_02]: They've gone past it, which I thought was great, and it also seems to imply that they are learning and growing as AI throughout the show, which is pretty neat. 25:54.486 --> 25:55.867 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm happy with it. 25:55.887 --> 26:01.991 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a little bit of a hiccup early on, but I just wanted to conversely say that I am enjoying those characters now. 26:02.411 --> 26:13.758 [SPEAKER_01]: Also the kind of Friday pep pep talk that she kind of gives vision of like don't let your fear get you stuck, you know, and he was kind of stuck in this loop a little bit, but it was Tommy who 26:20.001 --> 26:21.923 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he said that he loved me so both. 26:22.423 --> 26:26.986 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he said he loves Lisa, which he's like a Pokemon for I love Lisa really in this. 26:27.006 --> 26:28.567 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, is that the middle house thing? 26:28.748 --> 26:31.530 [SPEAKER_02]: What's the middle house loves Lisa? 26:31.630 --> 26:33.151 [SPEAKER_02]: What's the what's the card? 26:33.271 --> 26:36.293 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, look at the only thing I can say is Lisa needs braces dental plan 26:40.123 --> 26:41.424 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I chew, chew, chewed, chewed you. 26:42.064 --> 26:43.605 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that is what I was thinking of. 26:43.685 --> 26:47.007 [SPEAKER_02]: But I was also thinking of at least in the inspiration at the same time. 26:47.347 --> 26:49.468 [SPEAKER_00]: I sorry, we're tapped into the same source code. 26:49.508 --> 26:53.270 [SPEAKER_00]: So I can't stop thinking with each other's brains. 26:53.810 --> 26:58.332 [SPEAKER_00]: I speak to you that I want to talk about the bio keys that jacostes are mocking for it. 26:58.352 --> 26:59.053 [SPEAKER_00]: That was a cool. 26:59.293 --> 27:00.253 [SPEAKER_00]: I love the cypal. 27:00.634 --> 27:03.695 [SPEAKER_00]: It had me thinking though, which one would you want to be? 27:03.935 --> 27:07.157 [SPEAKER_00]: If we were unlocked, because there are five keys for five different people on that. 27:08.069 --> 27:14.632 [SPEAKER_00]: We were unlocking the CBC secret archive where we keep our only our most fucked up on cast this is going in. 27:15.612 --> 27:17.673 [SPEAKER_00]: Which bio factor would you want to be? 27:19.293 --> 27:24.615 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, can I call Poem just to take that off the table because I don't want, you know, just take it off of me. 27:25.176 --> 27:25.936 [SPEAKER_00]: It's good to say it's tough. 27:25.956 --> 27:26.696 [SPEAKER_00]: Call me an eyeball. 27:26.716 --> 27:31.018 [SPEAKER_00]: Someone's going to call eyeball because you want eyeball. 27:31.418 --> 27:37.040 [SPEAKER_01]: I want eyeball because if you're going to unlock whatever you're going to unlock, you're going to have to fucking kill me and good luck in that eyeball. 27:38.213 --> 27:38.634 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay. 27:38.694 --> 27:41.978 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're thinking proactively versus like what you would want to have. 27:42.098 --> 27:42.859 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly. 27:43.380 --> 27:44.821 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have to watch you. 27:44.861 --> 27:47.164 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want you to get those fucked up back as well. 27:47.184 --> 27:50.548 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's for a reason. 27:50.568 --> 27:53.151 [SPEAKER_00]: See, did you guys have glasses and real eyeball protection? 27:53.171 --> 27:54.293 [SPEAKER_00]: My eyeballs are wide open. 27:54.593 --> 27:55.614 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let me take an A. 27:55.634 --> 27:59.276 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, would you finally, finally, to turn for your perfect dies? 27:59.756 --> 28:02.498 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd want to do urine, so it's, what is easy? 28:02.518 --> 28:04.299 [SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't an option, bro. 28:04.699 --> 28:06.240 [SPEAKER_01]: What does happen would make it? 28:06.260 --> 28:20.830 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 28:22.563 --> 28:23.323 [SPEAKER_02]: Why everywhere? 28:25.364 --> 28:27.104 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why you never pass the camera. 28:27.665 --> 28:29.945 [SPEAKER_02]: You never pass the camera on the video version. 28:29.965 --> 28:31.386 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's because it's all bottles. 28:31.546 --> 28:32.506 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, open. 28:33.786 --> 28:34.346 [SPEAKER_00]: I never leave. 28:34.366 --> 28:34.967 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm always here. 28:34.987 --> 28:36.307 [SPEAKER_00]: You guys like, I need a bathroom break. 28:36.347 --> 28:37.267 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, no, thank you. 28:38.848 --> 28:39.588 [SPEAKER_02]: I got another bottle. 28:40.657 --> 28:41.097 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. 28:41.137 --> 28:41.538 [SPEAKER_00]: Save it up. 28:41.598 --> 28:42.219 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 28:42.259 --> 28:42.499 [SPEAKER_00]: Mountain. 28:42.619 --> 28:43.360 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it comes in. 28:43.380 --> 28:45.662 [SPEAKER_00]: The piss comes out. 28:46.062 --> 28:47.283 [SPEAKER_00]: Never stop podcasting. 28:48.004 --> 28:50.406 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, what's his day? 28:50.447 --> 28:52.989 [SPEAKER_00]: Leonardo DiCaprio, Spruce Goose. 28:54.390 --> 28:55.091 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sure. 28:55.131 --> 28:55.411 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 28:55.612 --> 28:57.073 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Howard Hughes for podcast. 28:57.193 --> 28:57.654 [SPEAKER_00]: For comments. 28:59.335 --> 29:03.316 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember that at all. 29:03.716 --> 29:05.756 [SPEAKER_02]: How are you when they're about to grab it? 29:06.096 --> 29:08.217 [SPEAKER_02]: If you seem Titanic, they're about to crash into the ice. 29:08.257 --> 29:11.357 [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted you to be like, oh, you saw this in a pelting. 29:11.537 --> 29:12.397 [SPEAKER_00]: My place is hot. 29:13.637 --> 29:14.178 [SPEAKER_02]: Hot piss. 29:14.198 --> 29:16.498 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the whole line about hot piss. 29:17.498 --> 29:19.038 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a hot piss of the world. 29:19.078 --> 29:19.838 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he says. 29:21.159 --> 29:26.100 [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to talk about, so the image of the client we get is this sort of hat man shadow. 29:26.120 --> 29:28.800 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you familiar with the hat man as a meme? 29:30.087 --> 29:32.068 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, this is a thing. 29:32.148 --> 29:33.549 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually learned this recently as well. 29:34.149 --> 29:44.235 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a thing where if you drink too much benedrel or drink a bunch of like cough medicine, cough syrup, you have a vision of the hat man and it's almost like a sleep paralysis demon. 29:44.735 --> 29:48.597 [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought it was funny that he's pressed, but at least that thing. 29:48.838 --> 29:49.338 [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting. 29:50.492 --> 29:51.853 [SPEAKER_00]: look up happened it's scary. 29:52.313 --> 30:03.881 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think it was a parallel of vision in the first episode or maybe they worked backwards there where he comes home with his hat and he's doing the degree thing, the surrealist thing. 30:04.341 --> 30:08.364 [SPEAKER_02]: Then we get the whole conversation about Ultron being like never leave the house without a hat. 30:08.524 --> 30:10.405 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that was Ultron's line, maybe decisions. 30:11.105 --> 30:14.348 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's been playing throughout, he'd talk about liking the hat. 30:14.488 --> 30:24.955 [SPEAKER_02]: So this is side to what you're saying, but I like this reveal of the human vision because they have been telling us all along that it is a form of ultra. 30:24.995 --> 30:27.517 [SPEAKER_02]: They have been laying the clues out there. 30:28.978 --> 30:34.842 [SPEAKER_02]: We talked about this actually a little bit last episode, but like I had seen 30:36.383 --> 30:46.710 [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody on the internet get it exactly right except for the person and I think that's pretty cool that like This mystery when it is revealed totally makes sense. 30:46.770 --> 30:47.791 [SPEAKER_02]: They have laid it in there. 30:47.811 --> 30:51.393 [SPEAKER_02]: They have laid all the clues But anything anybody guess regrett it? 30:51.413 --> 30:57.938 [SPEAKER_02]: I did not read every single article that I did watch every video But like throughout the run of the show people didn't 30:58.558 --> 31:00.879 [SPEAKER_02]: Get it, and that's good, that's fine. 31:00.919 --> 31:06.920 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and I would also say a reveal in so many shows, not just Marvel, but everything, is an end point. 31:06.960 --> 31:10.881 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, the reveal, okay, time to go to bed on this story, it's over. 31:11.341 --> 31:15.562 [SPEAKER_00]: This one, it's so additive, because I'm like, human Ultron, who does he want to kill? 31:16.382 --> 31:16.822 [SPEAKER_00]: Robots? 31:17.302 --> 31:20.343 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know where, where's the final episode's going to be about. 31:20.483 --> 31:22.144 [SPEAKER_00]: Like is he a sociopath? 31:22.404 --> 31:25.684 [SPEAKER_00]: Is he a rich benefactor who's like, I made this, 31:28.625 --> 31:34.508 [SPEAKER_01]: The last episode is going to be about vans and, you know, we're sure they've had so many of them and out there. 31:34.608 --> 31:44.574 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say one detail that peaked in my interest, it is cost to because we don't find out much about other that he has the tweed little old Tybee mustache and sort of the big bushy Santa Claus beard. 31:44.994 --> 31:47.036 [SPEAKER_02]: Is he is wearing hex glasses? 31:47.256 --> 31:48.717 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you guys picked up on that. 31:49.377 --> 31:52.899 [SPEAKER_00]: That was definitely like clock that, but I clocked out like weird glasses. 31:53.139 --> 32:12.191 [SPEAKER_02]: Which other than the Wanda Hex, obviously, there was throughout Wanda vision, there was like the little hexagon thing that was popping up everywhere, which was supposed to be telling people that they're inside of a Hex, but I don't know, just potentially just a Easter egg, but I thought that was kind of a neat thing. 32:12.692 --> 32:13.732 [SPEAKER_02]: There was something else, 32:14.713 --> 32:17.975 [SPEAKER_00]: If they find a way to get one in here at the end, Kudos. 32:18.495 --> 32:18.695 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 32:19.576 --> 32:39.127 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the other thing that I was going to say, and this is like a little bit more of a tangential thing, but I thought it was kind of cool in terms of like picking up things along this trilogy, is it is a pretty, and I don't say this dismissively obvious metaphor to do the Tin Man for Wizard of Oz, and it really works here with the getting a heart and everything, it's done very nicely. 32:39.187 --> 32:41.028 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not being like, whatever. 32:41.728 --> 32:50.955 [SPEAKER_02]: But Wizard of Oz is another thing that has played through the two previous parts of the trilogy as well with Wanda Vision tried to find a place that's like home. 32:51.275 --> 32:58.180 [SPEAKER_02]: The second one was way more explicit with heading down a yellow brick road and they have like little teases of Wizard of Oz throughout. 32:58.641 --> 33:02.644 [SPEAKER_02]: So bring that home and we've got that stuff in even though it's a different showrunner. 33:02.804 --> 33:07.147 [SPEAKER_02]: I just thought is very nicely done and it really struck me while watching this episode. 33:07.247 --> 33:17.294 [SPEAKER_00]: And not having a heavy hand, we saw the Tin Man Rednon, the source code contract thing, a little bit of other language around like man behind the curtain. 33:17.494 --> 33:24.099 [SPEAKER_00]: But the All-Tron reveal, human All-Tron at the end is literally like the Wizard of Oz, man behind the curtain. 33:24.799 --> 33:26.200 [SPEAKER_00]: But it doesn't seem derivative. 33:26.220 --> 33:30.343 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it felt very organic to the story. 33:31.094 --> 33:34.881 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think about the fact speaking of the contract that Vision has terrible handwriting? 33:35.041 --> 33:42.734 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you guys clock that I I was like he writes like a 10 year old It doesn't sign as name he wrote V-I-S-I-O-N 33:44.292 --> 33:44.692 [SPEAKER_00]: Weird. 33:45.193 --> 33:48.496 [SPEAKER_02]: You'd think it'd be like, yeah, yeah, dock-meat answers. 33:48.516 --> 33:49.797 [SPEAKER_00]: Have a perfect signal. 33:49.817 --> 33:50.178 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 33:50.198 --> 33:50.318 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 33:50.378 --> 33:51.619 [SPEAKER_00]: I was a very surprised by that. 33:51.639 --> 33:52.840 [SPEAKER_00]: It was funny. 33:52.900 --> 34:04.011 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like talking about the super story and general, like vision is the most like calm and confident character in the MCU movies and in London vision. 34:04.631 --> 34:07.073 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just a guy with anxiety, essentially. 34:07.113 --> 34:10.575 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I can't handle my life, so I've shut down about it. 34:11.235 --> 34:15.978 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a very human thing that I feel like I know a lot of people in the real world struggling with those same ideas. 34:16.639 --> 34:28.366 [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that it boiled down to that, I thought, again, to come to something so general and like widespread, I thought as a societal issue, I was like, 34:29.445 --> 34:30.486 [SPEAKER_00]: Snuck up on me on that. 34:30.546 --> 34:30.827 [SPEAKER_00]: Good. 34:30.987 --> 34:31.487 [SPEAKER_00]: Good work. 34:31.567 --> 34:33.930 [SPEAKER_02]: Good writing. 34:35.131 --> 34:48.565 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just going to say in the beginning, I thought that the kind of the shadow man was going to be Ultron, but then I kind of wanted it to be Victoria is kind of like a revenge for being controlled. 34:49.125 --> 34:49.786 [SPEAKER_01]: The daughter? 34:50.306 --> 34:50.547 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 34:52.073 --> 35:02.042 [SPEAKER_02]: I will say I have laughing at you, Pete, but also not unreasonable for the show because it is a detail that is brought up So he steals like notebook too. 35:02.623 --> 35:03.304 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I noticed that. 35:03.404 --> 35:04.705 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I didn't know that 35:06.628 --> 35:10.430 [SPEAKER_02]: something to hold on to, and not just a notebook, I guess. 35:10.610 --> 35:26.000 [SPEAKER_02]: What was I going to ask you guys, oh, there was a discussion on our Patreon Discord Patreon.com slash comic book club about the change in costume for vision that we get here from his old look to white vision to his newish look. 35:26.240 --> 35:27.301 [SPEAKER_02]: Would you guys think about that? 35:27.441 --> 35:28.802 [SPEAKER_02]: Anything, any hot takes? 35:30.323 --> 35:30.743 [SPEAKER_00]: I like it. 35:31.564 --> 35:33.305 [SPEAKER_00]: He was visioned inside all along. 35:34.010 --> 35:48.393 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we are, in a way, that's, we sort of, I made that prediction that the old vision was the villain at the end, and it's not quite, doesn't play that way, but it is the sort of thing he needs to become, the thing standing in his way. 35:48.493 --> 35:50.053 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I thought it was cool. 35:50.693 --> 35:58.495 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought the him killing the other version of himself would have more ramifications, but it was just kind of one loop that he was stuck in, I guess. 35:59.562 --> 36:02.604 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it wasn't really there. 36:02.644 --> 36:06.026 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just something in his code and not actually another version. 36:06.046 --> 36:09.749 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just a bit of himself, haunting himself. 36:09.989 --> 36:11.990 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll tell you what you need to say to murdered. 36:12.711 --> 36:12.891 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 36:14.120 --> 36:26.724 [SPEAKER_00]: I really liked just the filmmaking of that whole sequence, the little jump cuts, the looping, they were able to make me feel that anxiety with how it kept looping in a frustrating way. 36:27.004 --> 36:30.925 [SPEAKER_00]: You can see vision was unsettled by it, but I was like, I thought he'd get out this time. 36:31.545 --> 36:38.048 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then back when the kids ran by he just was like so frustrating immediately just started yelling at the kids I was a common man don't do that stuff. 36:38.288 --> 36:40.029 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're very focused on the kids, Pete. 36:40.509 --> 36:41.510 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a big part of the show. 36:42.250 --> 36:45.011 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah What else what other parts of the show? 36:45.031 --> 36:57.677 [SPEAKER_00]: Would you guys like talk about before we I mentioned this earlier, but I I think that This episode really may be think that Ultron is is the best MCU TV character that they've 36:58.302 --> 37:21.250 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, like for two reasons first off he feels alive and I'm not it's I even just Spader who's performance is excellent But the writing that they've been able to give him and this is coming out of maybe one of the lesser liked Marvel movies The Ultron movie where it was like a little like, oh, this is pretty You know a little obvious what's happening here? 37:22.258 --> 37:25.499 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like this show has really elevated the ultimate character. 37:25.599 --> 37:27.680 [SPEAKER_00]: He feels like you never know what he's gonna say. 37:27.820 --> 37:30.741 [SPEAKER_00]: He's being smart, he's villainous and helpful. 37:31.181 --> 37:32.522 [SPEAKER_00]: He's in the middle of all this stuff. 37:32.722 --> 37:37.584 [SPEAKER_00]: And the rare Marvel TV character that actually does feel bigger than the show. 37:38.504 --> 37:41.525 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think that's because he was a movie character first. 37:41.625 --> 37:49.388 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I could see this character growing out of the show into, you could build a movie around this ultimate feeling. 37:50.147 --> 37:51.887 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I completely agree with you. 37:51.927 --> 37:54.188 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, in this episode alone, you get the moment. 37:54.448 --> 38:02.930 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it Friday's like, I can't believe I'm agreeing with you or you are, like you're riding with Ultra on this entire time. 38:02.970 --> 38:05.770 [SPEAKER_02]: You want him to get whatever he needs and figure all this out. 38:06.410 --> 38:15.012 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why when he does that turn at the end and like literal turn and looks at Friday and backs are up off of the balcony. 38:15.612 --> 38:19.575 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not for a fraker, but he's like, oh no, what are you doing? 38:19.595 --> 38:22.637 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been moving killed, what's her face, you know what I mean? 38:23.258 --> 38:33.606 [SPEAKER_01]: So like he's, what's interesting about him is you think like, oh, maybe he's going to be good, but anytime it comes down to who is he, what's he going to reveal? 38:33.706 --> 38:36.588 [SPEAKER_01]: He's immediately just murdering people at the drop of a hat. 38:37.048 --> 38:40.591 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and that's why it works a well is he really James Fader is so good. 38:40.671 --> 38:41.652 [SPEAKER_02]: He sucks you in. 38:41.712 --> 38:42.673 [SPEAKER_02]: He makes you believe it. 38:42.733 --> 38:45.936 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we'll see what he is actually up to in the final episode. 38:46.016 --> 38:55.645 [SPEAKER_02]: But at this end here, he's so menacing and your reaction or at least my reaction watching that scene is like, Oh, my God, he's even manipulating things the whole time. 38:55.705 --> 38:56.666 [SPEAKER_02]: How do you think? 38:57.106 --> 38:58.748 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, even be and it's 39:00.109 --> 39:16.114 [SPEAKER_02]: it's terrifying to think of what he's going to do and it is very different from for example Loki another sympathetic villain who whatever he does something evil for the most part you could tell the way the top hitleston plays was like I feel bad oh yeah oh no 39:16.654 --> 39:44.263 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll try doesn't like he very much like it is very they write him straight up about that where he's like yeah I could kill everybody or I could not kill everybody I guess we'll see what happens and that's exactly how it plays out on the show as he said it comes down to a coin flip it's yeah it can go either way and that's what makes them so dangerous but yeah let's talk about the ending episode so rocket launcher to the van and we've got IP van 39:45.263 --> 39:54.345 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, RIP, Paladin, RIP, Jacosta, RIP vision, so how, what's going to happen next episode? 39:54.845 --> 39:58.445 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, they are in there. 39:58.465 --> 39:58.845 [SPEAKER_02]: They are. 39:59.265 --> 40:00.566 [SPEAKER_02]: No, just paladins in the van. 40:00.586 --> 40:01.186 [SPEAKER_02]: Just pal, no. 40:01.386 --> 40:06.227 [SPEAKER_01]: No, they both row bots into the van and then took off in that van. 40:06.327 --> 40:07.807 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, did not. 40:07.847 --> 40:11.308 [SPEAKER_02]: They were not even interested in fact the opposite things happens. 40:11.828 --> 40:13.708 [SPEAKER_02]: Vision is unloaded for the van. 40:14.782 --> 40:15.943 [SPEAKER_02]: And Jacosta isn't even there. 40:16.483 --> 40:17.363 [SPEAKER_02]: She's in a different place. 40:17.783 --> 40:18.004 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 40:18.604 --> 40:20.685 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought she was loaded into the van as well. 40:20.705 --> 40:22.125 [SPEAKER_01]: So Jacosta is not in the van. 40:22.145 --> 40:22.986 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they did plan. 40:23.006 --> 40:27.748 [SPEAKER_02]: They do the Chupaca thing where Paladin turns in vision. 40:27.928 --> 40:28.909 [SPEAKER_02]: They put him in cuffs. 40:29.489 --> 40:33.671 [SPEAKER_02]: He drives away and then they use the rocket launcher to blow off the van with Paladin in it. 40:33.791 --> 40:35.812 [SPEAKER_01]: So Paladin, how is that Chupaca? 40:37.172 --> 40:42.916 [SPEAKER_02]: the chibaka plan you lock up chibaka and you turn him in so that you can get into where you want to get into because vision wants to get in. 40:42.936 --> 40:54.803 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like I don't remember a van and rocket launchers and then I thought you met one chibaka was in that the one plane that plane but rocket ship that flew away and then it was like he's dead and then he just wasn't dead. 40:56.204 --> 40:58.085 [SPEAKER_00]: I tried to last for that. 41:00.266 --> 41:01.887 [SPEAKER_02]: Any other points from the episode? 41:01.927 --> 41:06.290 [SPEAKER_02]: Any other notes you guys want to call out before we turn to our final vision board for vision quest. 41:07.017 --> 41:10.321 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, no, I just really good stuff. 41:11.002 --> 41:21.454 [SPEAKER_02]: Great, all right, let's turn to the vision more than we got one episode left, one final episode of this iteration, maybe of the MCU on TV as well, which is kind of wild. 41:22.175 --> 41:23.416 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you guys think's gonna happen? 41:23.456 --> 41:26.540 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you want to happen in the finale of vision quest? 41:27.783 --> 41:41.218 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what I don't want to have happen is that Ultron also is Lisa and Ultron is also, you know, I mean, like I don't want any more Ultron is also, you know what I mean, like I'm a full Ultron is Lisa also, it's braces. 41:41.638 --> 41:42.940 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, just a plan. 41:44.024 --> 41:46.145 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want any more ultronding reveals. 41:46.525 --> 41:48.526 [SPEAKER_01]: I've had it up to here with the ultrriver reveals. 41:48.706 --> 41:50.887 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's all we got because he's human now. 41:51.007 --> 41:52.187 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're going to find out. 41:52.948 --> 41:56.049 [SPEAKER_00]: They've done a good job of leaving a lot of just like this could go anywhere. 41:56.309 --> 41:59.650 [SPEAKER_00]: Like vision, I think we're going to need to see a nice big fight with vision. 42:00.111 --> 42:04.272 [SPEAKER_00]: This show has done something that I like where it's mostly just talking. 42:05.473 --> 42:07.974 [SPEAKER_00]: But they have done a lot of big fights. 42:08.614 --> 42:09.634 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we're going to get that. 42:09.714 --> 42:10.935 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how that will work. 42:11.672 --> 42:15.193 [SPEAKER_00]: Will human Ultron become robot Ultron? 42:15.273 --> 42:18.533 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll all try and take over Jekosta and have it be that. 42:19.074 --> 42:20.994 [SPEAKER_00]: Vision versus Jekosta, I don't know. 42:21.774 --> 42:26.535 [SPEAKER_02]: What I do wonder about, I can't, I can kind of remember how I felt. 42:26.855 --> 42:39.498 [SPEAKER_02]: I can remember the Agatha all along finale, but I can't remember exactly how I felt about it because as we've talked about like the Wanda Vision finale did end up going from like this really interesting visual thing with Deepa Bosch 42:40.858 --> 42:47.883 [SPEAKER_02]: which blasts, which blasts, which fight at the sky and that kind of took away from it a little bit at the special list of it. 42:48.143 --> 42:52.326 [SPEAKER_02]: Agatha, they kind of had the same thing, but I remember it being a little more emotional. 42:52.666 --> 42:54.267 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a little bit better I thought on Agatha. 42:54.348 --> 42:57.210 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so hopefully they follow that path instead of 42:57.990 --> 43:14.162 [SPEAKER_01]: the other I want I want I don't care if it's a blurry not well done a special effects wise wanda give me something you know what I mean like this been so much stock in a wanda I don't care if it's a little shadow in the corner that maybe we think is wanda that that isn't wanda but I don't know 43:14.302 --> 43:14.682 [SPEAKER_01]: quarters. 43:14.963 --> 43:17.465 [SPEAKER_01]: I just give me some one. 43:17.585 --> 43:20.447 [SPEAKER_01]: We've been talking about her for seven episodes. 43:20.627 --> 43:22.409 [SPEAKER_01]: The show did you talk about it? 43:22.609 --> 43:28.774 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a trash can and they're like, I got to throw this out and they open up the trash can and Elizabeth Olsen is in the trash can. 43:28.814 --> 43:32.617 [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, and they just see her and that they close it, but they don't notice her. 43:32.717 --> 43:33.838 [SPEAKER_01]: You notice her, but they know. 43:34.238 --> 43:38.802 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a flinstone situation where she is like the garbage disposal when she eats the trash. 43:38.882 --> 43:39.663 [SPEAKER_01]: She's working. 43:39.683 --> 43:40.343 [SPEAKER_00]: She eats the trash. 43:41.764 --> 43:42.405 [SPEAKER_01]: She's trash. 43:42.905 --> 43:43.145 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 43:43.386 --> 43:48.810 [SPEAKER_02]: With also, she said that recently at a convention, she was like, only way I'll come back to as Wanda, as if I could eat trash. 43:49.210 --> 43:49.410 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 43:49.971 --> 43:50.571 [SPEAKER_02]: Like what? 43:50.591 --> 43:50.872 [SPEAKER_02]: What? 43:51.332 --> 43:52.193 [SPEAKER_01]: Flint songs. 43:52.253 --> 43:53.974 [SPEAKER_02]: Like Wally, she loves Wally. 43:53.994 --> 43:54.955 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a bit old. 43:55.015 --> 43:55.896 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a bit old. 43:56.536 --> 43:57.037 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a bit old. 43:57.097 --> 43:57.617 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a bit old. 43:57.677 --> 43:58.238 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a bit old. 43:58.278 --> 43:58.838 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a bit old. 43:58.878 --> 43:59.679 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a bit old. 44:01.467 --> 44:06.129 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, oh, you mean, like, you want to do the voice of a heartfelt robot tells you she's like, no, I want to eat trash. 44:06.149 --> 44:10.171 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to eat trash, I want to have all my stuff like a lot of a flap right here. 44:10.871 --> 44:12.151 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's the dream. 44:12.552 --> 44:13.232 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the thing though. 44:13.572 --> 44:14.232 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like now. 44:14.252 --> 44:15.253 [SPEAKER_00]: Our coach for a friend. 44:15.873 --> 44:16.513 [SPEAKER_00]: And now we're not. 44:16.533 --> 44:18.034 [SPEAKER_00]: I already have a cockroach for a friend. 44:18.054 --> 44:19.274 [SPEAKER_00]: She says on her shoulder. 44:19.294 --> 44:21.535 [SPEAKER_00]: I covered in cockroaches. 44:21.615 --> 44:23.156 [SPEAKER_00]: Says Elizabeth Olson though. 44:23.496 --> 44:25.097 [SPEAKER_00]: So I removed Elizabeth Olson. 44:25.797 --> 44:27.658 [SPEAKER_00]: Ruth is Olson, not the twins Elizabeth. 44:28.737 --> 44:31.199 [SPEAKER_00]: The, I feel like we're not going to get wandered now. 44:31.399 --> 44:35.343 [SPEAKER_00]: If I were them, I would save a vision wand over Union 4. 44:35.843 --> 44:39.946 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the large movies about characters and different worlds with the doomsday. 44:40.347 --> 44:42.849 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some sort of doomsday or secret wars, if you will. 44:43.329 --> 44:43.609 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 44:44.330 --> 44:49.955 [SPEAKER_00]: If anyone is still invested in this relationship and the TV certainly is speaking to that. 44:50.575 --> 44:53.919 [SPEAKER_00]: I would do that in the movie as a little moment because people will like it. 44:55.181 --> 45:02.730 [SPEAKER_00]: So I do think this is going to stay focused on absent fathers, absent sons and present fathers and present sons for the last bit. 45:03.050 --> 45:06.674 [SPEAKER_00]: I do what I would like to see is a Billy moment. 45:07.435 --> 45:13.141 [SPEAKER_00]: think it was very telling to me that Billy was the first name that he said and not Wanda. 45:13.862 --> 45:16.885 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think we will see Billy in the final. 45:16.985 --> 45:22.671 [SPEAKER_01]: There'll be a nice of Billy, Tommy, and a vision goal visit Victoria's grave. 45:22.711 --> 45:23.332 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 45:23.612 --> 45:24.993 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that would be a nice moment. 45:25.354 --> 45:27.115 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's what it would be over there. 45:28.336 --> 45:29.117 [SPEAKER_00]: Why do we come here? 45:29.137 --> 45:30.378 [SPEAKER_00]: None of us know this person. 45:32.841 --> 45:34.062 [SPEAKER_00]: She died in 2001. 45:34.082 --> 45:35.963 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, well, listen, sons. 45:36.304 --> 45:39.547 [SPEAKER_01]: I was a shitty dad to also this lady as well. 45:39.747 --> 45:40.648 [SPEAKER_01]: I never got to know. 45:40.768 --> 45:44.391 [SPEAKER_02]: But, and just to be clear, I'm a different person and that didn't happen to me. 45:44.451 --> 45:46.393 [SPEAKER_02]: But, Peter's upset about it. 45:46.473 --> 45:47.374 [SPEAKER_01]: Pete, what's your favorite movie? 45:48.501 --> 45:53.505 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh man, of all time, I mean, Tommy Boyd comes to, you know, just makes sense, you're programmed to say. 45:53.745 --> 46:02.492 [SPEAKER_00]: So, Tommy Boyd, there's all the scenes are driving the deer when they're on the highway and the deer's in the car, right? 46:02.832 --> 46:03.032 [SPEAKER_00]: Right? 46:03.453 --> 46:04.834 [SPEAKER_00]: They keep bumping at other cars. 46:05.294 --> 46:11.119 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you get through that scene without being concerned about the insurance policy updates necessary to all the other people that are driving it? 46:11.739 --> 46:13.881 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's going to devastate those people's lives, potentially. 46:14.141 --> 46:16.844 [SPEAKER_00]: They might not have the money to pay for those rate increases. 46:16.864 --> 46:26.552 [SPEAKER_00]: They were just mind-in-one business, and your fun little characters just fucking around on the road with a deer that they for some reason put in the car because they thought they hated it, thought it was dead, but it was a dead, it was a lie, the entire time. 46:27.033 --> 46:29.475 [SPEAKER_01]: But the B-Move is a great way to get out of a ticket. 46:32.558 --> 46:34.840 [SPEAKER_02]: Should I, I should really watch this movie at some point, I guess. 46:34.860 --> 46:35.941 [SPEAKER_02]: You've never seen Tommy Boy? 46:35.961 --> 46:36.961 [SPEAKER_02]: I've never seen Tommy Boy. 46:37.042 --> 46:37.362 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. 46:38.587 --> 46:40.548 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I could do the whole thing for you if you want it. 46:40.588 --> 46:41.928 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, great. 46:41.949 --> 46:42.669 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's do a live. 46:42.689 --> 46:45.090 [SPEAKER_00]: This is one of those fucked up podcasts that we don't show anybody. 46:47.051 --> 46:48.591 [SPEAKER_00]: I press on this one. 46:50.292 --> 46:51.093 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, okay. 46:51.213 --> 46:53.794 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess we have talked about what we want to see in the final episode. 46:53.814 --> 46:54.954 [SPEAKER_02]: If you like to spread this podcast. 46:54.974 --> 46:55.915 [SPEAKER_02]: What was you like to see? 46:55.935 --> 47:01.017 [SPEAKER_02]: I would like to see the end of the show. 47:01.137 --> 47:03.758 [SPEAKER_02]: I just an emotional, satisfying. 47:03.878 --> 47:04.919 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, the thing. 47:05.839 --> 47:24.145 [SPEAKER_02]: with vision the scene in this episode really hit me it really got me I think the show has been doing an incredible job of balancing MCU stuff with emotional stuff and I do want it to be more on this I'm remembering this rock on the agatha all along and where it balances those nicely first of the one division and where it 47:24.765 --> 47:27.087 [SPEAKER_02]: airs into MCU versus anything. 47:27.427 --> 47:33.591 [SPEAKER_02]: And the thing that I do not want to see is Dr. Doom to show up or it occurs yet or anything that he's up to his day. 47:33.971 --> 47:36.193 [SPEAKER_02]: I want this to be interior to the show. 47:36.593 --> 47:40.115 [SPEAKER_00]: But we can all agree that we want a Friday to still be alive at the end. 47:40.596 --> 47:42.697 [SPEAKER_00]: And we need Corbiscalade to come get a stick. 47:42.717 --> 47:43.818 [SPEAKER_00]: No, that would be great. 47:43.858 --> 47:47.400 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they had to buy a stick. 47:48.341 --> 47:49.582 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm the shredder, baby. 47:50.482 --> 47:54.884 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, if you'd like to support the podcast, you know what I'm saying more than just I'm crazy actually. 47:54.904 --> 47:55.525 [SPEAKER_01]: There you go. 47:55.845 --> 47:56.925 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be that maybe. 47:56.945 --> 47:57.726 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 47:57.746 --> 47:58.706 [SPEAKER_01]: But you're not. 47:59.266 --> 48:03.008 [SPEAKER_02]: Patreon.com slash comic book club to support this podcast and all the podcasts. 48:03.028 --> 48:06.810 [SPEAKER_02]: We do comic book club live.com for this podcast and many more. 48:06.890 --> 48:09.051 [SPEAKER_02]: Until next time, stay marvelous. 48:09.671 --> 48:11.392 [SPEAKER_00]: Keep your eye on your daughters.