WEBVTT 00:00.652 --> 00:02.812 [SPEAKER_05]: Let's get ready to talk to me! 00:06.233 --> 00:10.914 [SPEAKER_00]: This show is brought to you by The Makeery, the podcast Network for Makeers. 00:19.556 --> 00:24.497 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, here we are again, another Monday morning, another knife talk episode. 00:25.417 --> 00:26.337 [SPEAKER_03]: How is everybody? 00:26.784 --> 00:27.685 [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome back to the show. 00:27.725 --> 00:35.531 [SPEAKER_03]: We're here every Monday morning with a knife talk and we're the these show to talk about knives with the Oramega collector interested knives in any way. 00:35.691 --> 00:44.437 [SPEAKER_03]: We're the number one show with myself, Craig Locker of Chop Knives, Maréco Marmassie of Marmassie Fire Arts and Jeff Fade at Fade Knives. 00:45.078 --> 00:45.658 [SPEAKER_03]: How are you guys? 00:46.238 --> 00:46.519 [SPEAKER_03]: Good. 00:46.819 --> 00:47.159 [SPEAKER_03]: How are you? 00:48.400 --> 00:49.180 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm okay. 00:49.220 --> 00:50.001 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what. 00:50.021 --> 00:51.721 [SPEAKER_03]: I've got terrible earache I've had today. 00:52.221 --> 00:53.122 [SPEAKER_03]: I've done with the cold. 00:53.822 --> 00:58.624 [SPEAKER_03]: I've been out with the kids a lot in the cold, and I'm sure all the cold has got into my ear in some way. 00:58.984 --> 00:59.364 [SPEAKER_03]: Horrible. 00:59.544 --> 00:59.884 [SPEAKER_03]: Horrible. 01:00.344 --> 01:01.425 [SPEAKER_03]: It's really sensitive. 01:02.245 --> 01:04.446 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you wear it earmuffs when you go in the cold? 01:05.606 --> 01:06.967 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a seven-year-old girl. 01:07.247 --> 01:12.829 [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I can see you with a fluffy pair of earmuffs. 01:15.331 --> 01:17.155 [SPEAKER_03]: Like Princess Leia walking around the flesh. 01:17.376 --> 01:18.077 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. 01:18.097 --> 01:19.881 [SPEAKER_02]: That's exactly what I had in vision. 01:20.622 --> 01:22.005 [SPEAKER_05]: Do you wear this, Rekko? 01:22.630 --> 01:23.771 [SPEAKER_05]: not okay. 01:24.111 --> 01:28.035 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, Greg just seems like I get your mouth kind of gay. 01:28.616 --> 01:29.957 [SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing wrong with your mouthy. 01:30.597 --> 01:31.678 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure I could carry them off. 01:31.698 --> 01:34.981 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure I could but no, no, no, no. 01:35.041 --> 01:36.723 [SPEAKER_03]: But aside from that, I'm all good. 01:36.783 --> 01:37.564 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm frazzled. 01:37.884 --> 01:40.406 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm at the kids' rock school, Amy's away. 01:40.426 --> 01:46.332 [SPEAKER_03]: So I've had them on my second week now and I've just had enough of 01:46.592 --> 01:46.912 [SPEAKER_03]: Pappa. 01:47.212 --> 01:47.512 [SPEAKER_03]: Pappa. 01:47.793 --> 01:48.073 [SPEAKER_03]: Pappa. 01:48.413 --> 01:48.713 [SPEAKER_05]: Pappa. 01:50.234 --> 01:52.354 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so yeah, I'm tired. 01:52.414 --> 01:55.376 [SPEAKER_03]: I've got baddies, but it's all, I can't complain. 01:55.396 --> 01:56.336 [SPEAKER_03]: It's all good. 01:56.596 --> 01:58.717 [SPEAKER_05]: Are you getting ready for your big tour? 01:59.017 --> 02:01.398 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it seems like it's coming up pretty quick, so soon. 02:02.138 --> 02:04.419 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, well, the tour is in March, the tour. 02:04.799 --> 02:05.860 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but you're going to drop it. 02:06.580 --> 02:08.721 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, well, Japan, that's not the tall. 02:08.741 --> 02:09.522 [SPEAKER_03]: That's just a few gigs. 02:09.562 --> 02:10.923 [SPEAKER_03]: We're doing a 63-day tall. 02:10.943 --> 02:12.584 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the big thing. 02:13.104 --> 02:14.525 [SPEAKER_03]: So, yes, we've got gigs before then. 02:14.565 --> 02:18.547 [SPEAKER_03]: We've got Japan, and we've got a big homecoming Christmas gig in Lester as well. 02:18.627 --> 02:21.129 [SPEAKER_03]: And then, yeah, there's lots happening, but, um... 02:22.449 --> 02:26.831 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the big tour, the big tour at 63 date tour starts March 1st at the end of May. 02:26.851 --> 02:30.213 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you have your book here for that somehow? 02:31.553 --> 02:36.155 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we will rehearse and stuff, but yeah, it'll be fine. 02:36.275 --> 02:37.155 [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be fine. 02:37.175 --> 02:38.136 [SPEAKER_03]: We've got some much. 02:39.896 --> 02:41.057 [SPEAKER_05]: And how's the shot? 02:41.377 --> 02:47.859 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, last we heard you got the power in the shop, and yes, yeah, power is now in, thanks to my brother. 02:48.600 --> 02:55.282 [SPEAKER_03]: We've now got power in, I haven't had any time in there, but yeah, I mean, it's one of those things. 02:55.382 --> 02:57.063 [SPEAKER_03]: It can be used at the moment. 02:57.123 --> 03:03.085 [SPEAKER_03]: I could go in and everything's all over the place, but time has been the big thing of the last two weeks. 03:03.865 --> 03:16.311 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I've already mentioned my wife started a new contract and so she's been away a lot and this is a second week in a row She's been away now So yeah, I'm just yeah, but the kids off school as well. 03:16.411 --> 03:23.635 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just yeah Busy of then I've ever been with three kids going Her birthday is coming up right or do it happen? 03:25.168 --> 03:27.849 [SPEAKER_03]: No, hers is in April. 03:28.489 --> 03:28.769 [SPEAKER_03]: April. 03:28.849 --> 03:29.809 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I was way up. 03:30.830 --> 03:35.291 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, last week or a couple of weeks back, I thought you said that her birthday was coming up. 03:35.791 --> 03:39.812 [SPEAKER_03]: No, we got the kids birthday coming up, which is end of November. 03:41.012 --> 03:43.413 [SPEAKER_03]: And then we went on the race to Christmas then, too, on the way. 03:44.093 --> 03:44.393 [SPEAKER_02]: Jeez. 03:44.593 --> 03:46.594 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 03:47.614 --> 03:48.894 [SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, enough about me. 03:49.154 --> 03:50.095 [SPEAKER_03]: What's been going on with you guys? 03:52.105 --> 03:52.765 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing good. 03:53.746 --> 03:55.966 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see what the hell have I been up to this week? 03:55.986 --> 04:00.928 [SPEAKER_02]: This week's been not very productive in the shop, unfortunately. 04:03.089 --> 04:08.991 [SPEAKER_02]: My personal life is disrupting it, I guess, as much as it possibly can. 04:09.031 --> 04:09.331 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 04:09.351 --> 04:11.972 [SPEAKER_02]: I've just been busy with that with life stuff. 04:13.073 --> 04:15.094 [SPEAKER_02]: I am looking forward to getting back in the shop though. 04:17.254 --> 04:17.615 [SPEAKER_04]: What is it? 04:17.655 --> 04:18.615 [SPEAKER_04]: What is this going on? 04:18.977 --> 04:23.379 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I just sent you guys a text real quick that was a message from our friend, Rich Patterson. 04:24.119 --> 04:25.220 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, listener of the show. 04:25.980 --> 04:27.260 [SPEAKER_02]: He threw in a picture. 04:27.280 --> 04:35.524 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he said it was a picture of his, his knife box, as well as a picture of Craig and for some reason it. 04:36.084 --> 04:38.585 [SPEAKER_02]: He must have prompted it to put Craig in the tub. 04:38.905 --> 04:39.245 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 04:39.385 --> 04:40.226 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a nice picture though. 04:40.506 --> 04:42.327 [SPEAKER_05]: He used AI to, uh, 04:43.467 --> 04:48.812 [SPEAKER_05]: to imagine Craig Lockwood opening up Rich Patterson Knifeball in the bathtub. 04:49.456 --> 05:13.891 [SPEAKER_05]: In the bathtub, yeah, I'm looking very surprised for myself, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah 05:14.431 --> 05:22.021 [SPEAKER_05]: And I wrote NFSW or NSSW and then you did one variation covering the nips. 05:22.782 --> 05:24.644 [SPEAKER_05]: So if you rebanded AIDS over him? 05:24.965 --> 05:25.966 [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's a towel. 05:26.186 --> 05:27.548 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a towel up. 05:27.608 --> 05:30.632 [SPEAKER_05]: He's toweled up, but I figured, you know, I'm not gonna. 05:30.872 --> 05:35.275 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I've got very few gray hair in that, and that's some, you know. 05:35.315 --> 05:39.238 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, if you want me to use that as the thumbnail, I need your approval. 05:39.918 --> 05:41.600 [SPEAKER_03]: It's quite okay, I prefer not to. 05:42.400 --> 05:43.321 [SPEAKER_05]: Approval declined. 05:43.421 --> 05:43.821 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, good. 05:43.841 --> 05:44.462 [SPEAKER_05]: Take a sip of it. 05:44.482 --> 05:45.502 [SPEAKER_05]: Approval declined. 05:45.883 --> 05:47.444 [SPEAKER_05]: I tried to go with the correct pathway. 05:47.784 --> 05:49.645 [SPEAKER_03]: Is that we sent it up the line, and they declined. 05:49.665 --> 05:51.326 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was, yeah, it was, yeah, it was, yeah, it was. 05:51.346 --> 05:59.232 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a corporate, HR said, no, you know, I got a, you know, you know, I got a, you know, you got, you know, I got, you know, I got, you know, I got, you know, I got, you know, I got, you know, I got, you know, I got, you know, I got, you know, I got, you know, I got 05:59.717 --> 06:03.221 [SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise I last week was sharpening week for me this week. 06:03.261 --> 06:08.165 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna be getting back in the shop and doing some or actually I guess we're finishing out the week. 06:08.205 --> 06:10.368 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh Halloween's coming up this Saturday. 06:10.528 --> 06:21.078 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me look and forward to that I got my kids costume to finish up and Then yeah, and then next week I'll be back in the shop getting work done on some knives. 06:21.118 --> 06:22.659 [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully I had some 06:23.680 --> 06:24.841 [SPEAKER_02]: uh, was a paper cutter. 06:24.881 --> 06:30.684 [SPEAKER_02]: Who you guys ever sharpened like a one of those big like guillotine style like paper cutting? 06:31.645 --> 06:31.885 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 06:32.585 --> 06:33.006 [SPEAKER_02]: Machines? 06:33.286 --> 06:34.006 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 06:34.046 --> 06:34.367 [SPEAKER_02]: Tools? 06:34.647 --> 06:34.807 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 06:34.887 --> 06:35.087 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 06:35.687 --> 06:36.288 [SPEAKER_02]: It was interesting. 06:37.048 --> 06:46.674 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, because the person, I don't know if they just purchased these or they've had them for a while, but they said they needed to be sharpened, but they did not need to be sharpened. 06:47.274 --> 06:49.536 [SPEAKER_02]: And I, I feel like the best way to test 06:50.572 --> 06:58.980 [SPEAKER_02]: how well one of those things is cutting is to cut some very flimsy paper, like thin magazine or even like newspaper print. 06:59.420 --> 07:03.544 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the thinner the stock, and the lighter weight the stock, the harder it is to cut. 07:04.626 --> 07:22.929 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was cutting all these great and I couldn't figure out what the person was, why the person was thinking that they need to be sharpened, but I did notice that these are because they're, I don't even know if they make these fucking things anymore, but these are older, kind of guillotine style, like paper cutting, uh, or tools. 07:23.922 --> 07:38.506 [SPEAKER_02]: And a little sideways pressure to kind of get the blades to interact or engage with each other definitely made a huge difference because if you pull just down straight down or even with a looks the slightest outward pressure, they weren't cutting for sheds, right. 07:39.506 --> 07:42.887 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's just those and the way scissors work. 07:43.947 --> 07:46.968 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, is that those blades are actually engaging each other. 07:49.293 --> 08:05.985 [SPEAKER_02]: And what is it even there are even older pairs of scissors for especially for fabric and like seamstress work where you have to intentionally force the two blades together there's there's actually a little bit and I don't know why. 08:06.665 --> 08:08.766 [SPEAKER_02]: But there's a little bit of slop in there. 08:09.287 --> 08:13.269 [SPEAKER_02]: So for some reason, sometimes you don't want to cut some things, sometimes you do. 08:13.749 --> 08:21.154 [SPEAKER_02]: But anyways, you have to force those, those, uh, I can't remember what each half of the scissors called together, uh, but you have to force them together. 08:21.774 --> 08:26.237 [SPEAKER_02]: And so the same thing was happening with these, uh, with this paper slicer, anyways. 08:27.558 --> 08:38.303 [SPEAKER_02]: If anything need to be sharpened on it, it was the straight edge because basically it's a straight edge and a curved blade which is the downward portion or the portion you slide downward. 08:39.504 --> 08:43.486 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel comfortable sharpening the curved part all day, but the straight edge 08:45.612 --> 09:03.941 [SPEAKER_02]: would be a fucking nightmare because it was like 16 or 18 inches long and to across the two inch surface there's no way I think that I could get that straight enough to be able to to do the child but anyways all that said I never ended up sharpening them because they were perfectly sharp. 09:04.081 --> 09:06.662 [SPEAKER_02]: There are plenty sharp for cutting paper and 09:08.548 --> 09:13.111 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it's just like I get all kinds of weird fucking things when I do the sharpening stuff. 09:13.571 --> 09:15.572 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of starting to get on the fence about it. 09:17.093 --> 09:26.838 [SPEAKER_02]: One because of the company or the sharpening, the kitchen store that I'm working with to offer this service, but two, I just like, I think I need to be lit up. 09:27.178 --> 09:32.862 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I like the idea of offering the sharpening service and I've been doing it for like four or five years now. 09:33.702 --> 09:45.870 [SPEAKER_02]: I, I don't know if it's the best place to be spending our time and we're, you know, our conversation last couple weeks, especially with like, uh, our good guy Ben over at EDC Gearhouse is trying to figure out, you know, where is your time best spent? 09:46.590 --> 09:50.353 [SPEAKER_02]: Where do you cut loose things that aren't necessarily making sense? 09:51.383 --> 10:07.117 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... there because the sharpening is labor intensive but it doesn't really yield a ton of money really for the amount of time i'm spending it it's super interesting you bring the story up because something happened uh... something happened here a couple weeks ago 10:08.018 --> 10:25.767 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I have Patrick Bradley is River Stone sharpening, and he's got his sharpening van that he goes to events, he's got a place on the city, and then he's got some he does these events, he's a really great sharpener, he's a great guy, terrific he's been fabulous. 10:26.587 --> 10:31.711 [SPEAKER_05]: And we talk about, he goes to farmers markets every the week and we talk about the sharpening business and stuff like that. 10:31.751 --> 10:34.133 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's a lot of it has to be volume. 10:34.293 --> 10:35.835 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, that's the key to sharpening. 10:35.875 --> 10:41.419 [SPEAKER_05]: And we have friends like choned by Jones and he does strictly sharpening and stuff like that. 10:41.559 --> 10:50.847 [SPEAKER_05]: Funny enough, so we got, I got a message from from Alice and we said, there's a guy who got a pairing knife and he feels it's not sharp enough and wanted to send it back. 10:51.817 --> 10:56.122 [SPEAKER_05]: And I said, absolutely, maybe something happened, who knows if it's finally no questions asked. 10:57.150 --> 11:05.892 [SPEAKER_05]: And when it arrived, I thought maybe I forgot something, maybe it's, and as soon as I unwrapped it, it had never been used, and it was, or like, a razor blade. 11:06.572 --> 11:08.193 [SPEAKER_05]: To the point where I was like, am I crazy? 11:08.393 --> 11:09.033 [SPEAKER_05]: Am I crazy? 11:09.153 --> 11:12.033 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, I was cutting paper, and then I waited for Patrick to come in now. 11:12.053 --> 11:13.594 [SPEAKER_05]: He's a professional knife sharpener. 11:14.214 --> 11:17.155 [SPEAKER_05]: He sharpened knives all the time. 11:17.895 --> 11:21.816 [SPEAKER_05]: And I decided I was going to just ask him, you know, and I gave it to him. 11:21.836 --> 11:23.136 [SPEAKER_05]: I said, I'm not going to tell you anything. 11:27.377 --> 11:33.788 [SPEAKER_05]: And he felt it, he cut it, he did a couple of tests and he says, yeah, this is about as good as something that I would send out and send out. 11:34.590 --> 11:36.613 [SPEAKER_05]: And I said, well, the guy says this is not sharp enough. 11:37.154 --> 11:38.556 [SPEAKER_05]: And Patrick looked at me and he's just like, 11:39.573 --> 11:40.654 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, what else does he want? 11:40.774 --> 11:43.416 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was like, it was thin. 11:43.776 --> 11:47.678 [SPEAKER_05]: It was sharp, it could cut hair, it could cut paper, it could cut different types of paper. 11:48.379 --> 11:50.940 [SPEAKER_05]: It was just like, it was, I thought I was crazy. 11:51.901 --> 11:59.726 [SPEAKER_05]: And we ultimately came to the, I ultimately came to the conclusion that there was something else that he just didn't, maybe he wanted, and he was a paranoid. 11:59.766 --> 12:00.587 [SPEAKER_05]: So it wasn't a big deal. 12:01.287 --> 12:06.311 [SPEAKER_05]: But I thought maybe he just wanted to, maybe just want to get rid of it and you need to reason to get rid of it. 12:06.571 --> 12:08.212 [SPEAKER_05]: You said it back and get his refund. 12:08.732 --> 12:12.474 [SPEAKER_05]: We did, we were just looking for a refund rather than that, you know, but it to be sharpened. 12:12.574 --> 12:24.699 [SPEAKER_05]: This is one of those things that I don't know if I've talked about it in great detail on this podcast, but the customer people are so not prepared for a good customer service that they come in hot right off the bat. 12:25.179 --> 12:32.942 [SPEAKER_05]: Like if so if there's a problem, they give you, it's almost like they're litigating the problem before you have a chance to say, let me fix the problem. 12:33.562 --> 12:37.404 [SPEAKER_05]: So like we get people sometimes hot under the collar. 12:38.024 --> 12:51.195 [SPEAKER_05]: and then what we say and you know I did you know there's a lot of these things and we immediately say send it in no questions asked will fix it or will repair it or will give you money back no questions asked like immediately and every time we answer an email promptly. 12:52.105 --> 12:52.966 [SPEAKER_05]: People just change. 12:53.046 --> 12:55.168 [SPEAKER_05]: They've determined to like, these lovely people. 12:55.868 --> 13:06.798 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's come to the point over the years realized that people are so used to have to fight for every little thing that they're not prepared for a good customer service. 13:06.818 --> 13:09.380 [SPEAKER_05]: So they like make reasons. 13:09.460 --> 13:14.764 [SPEAKER_05]: And we're not, you know, if someone's not right, or something, you don't want somebody, you're not happy about it to say it. 13:14.804 --> 13:15.085 [SPEAKER_05]: We don't. 13:15.545 --> 13:22.392 [SPEAKER_05]: You don't need to give me, you know, exhibit A, B and C on something that doesn't really doesn't matter. 13:23.493 --> 13:32.341 [SPEAKER_05]: But it's like, that's one of the big things that we noticed that is really good in the business end is we turn people all the time. 13:32.621 --> 13:39.368 [SPEAKER_05]: And I say turn people, they start off like they're just like so happy that they're getting good customer service because they're not used to it. 13:40.533 --> 13:49.601 [SPEAKER_05]: But in regards to what you were saying about the sharpening, you know, it's one of those things where it's like, you know, it's, what can you charge for sharpening? 13:50.402 --> 13:53.865 [SPEAKER_05]: And then can you afford to do the volume to make it worth your time? 13:54.405 --> 13:56.126 [SPEAKER_05]: Right, that's always worth it. 13:56.227 --> 13:59.910 [SPEAKER_05]: People are going to bring in their knife and say, oh, yeah, by the way, that sharpening job is $150. 13:59.970 --> 14:02.752 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, it's like it happened, you know? 14:02.912 --> 14:05.455 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's, you have to, that's the big, that's the big issue. 14:06.095 --> 14:07.416 [SPEAKER_05]: And you, you charge him by the inch. 14:08.016 --> 14:10.418 [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, you. 14:10.438 --> 14:10.538 [SPEAKER_05]: Hey. 14:10.558 --> 14:11.018 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm a baby. 14:11.038 --> 14:11.379 [SPEAKER_05]: You are. 14:11.779 --> 14:12.259 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm a baby. 14:12.319 --> 14:13.840 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 14:13.880 --> 14:14.521 [SPEAKER_05]: Craig's getting. 14:14.801 --> 14:16.042 [SPEAKER_05]: Giving you the charge by the hour. 14:16.342 --> 14:16.642 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 14:16.662 --> 14:18.583 [SPEAKER_05]: Keep Craig's giving him 50 cents special. 14:21.485 --> 14:23.567 [SPEAKER_05]: The two pents, the two pents are spents. 14:24.187 --> 14:24.968 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what? 14:24.988 --> 14:25.408 [SPEAKER_02]: Two pents. 14:25.788 --> 14:27.289 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually do charge by the hour though. 14:27.730 --> 14:28.150 [SPEAKER_01]: In a way. 14:28.630 --> 14:32.273 [SPEAKER_02]: So the way I figured out my, my, my price for sharpening. 14:33.634 --> 14:42.841 [SPEAKER_02]: is basically I have an idea of what I want to get paid in an hour, and then I just see what I can get done in an hour. 14:43.662 --> 14:44.803 [SPEAKER_03]: So you charge the stole. 14:44.943 --> 14:46.244 [SPEAKER_03]: You charge the stole for the hour. 14:46.564 --> 14:48.345 [SPEAKER_03]: It's supposed to each individual customer. 14:48.405 --> 14:50.327 [SPEAKER_03]: So the stole is not just a customer. 14:50.507 --> 14:59.029 [SPEAKER_02]: No, each individual customer gets charged, but so just to figure out how much I'm going to end up charging per inch is how it gets out. 14:59.409 --> 15:13.632 [SPEAKER_02]: So I take how much I want to earn an hour for knife sharpening and then and then I see how much knife sharpening I can get done in an hour and then I kind of and I think it took me a little bit to figure it out. 15:14.512 --> 15:18.393 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll like a few rounds of sharpening sessions, but. 15:19.773 --> 15:33.764 [SPEAKER_02]: Basically, I can sharpen an knife in like five minutes, and an average size knife is around six and a half-seven inches, typically about seven inches. 15:34.244 --> 15:41.730 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a lot of inches in an hour, so I just divide that by how much you want to get paid or I want to get paid by an hour. 15:43.071 --> 15:44.431 [SPEAKER_02]: and then that's how much I charge an inch. 15:45.212 --> 15:59.995 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, but regarding the sharpening thing, it just made me laugh so much because it reminded me of when I donated a knife to the local like a Benedictine college for their scholarship fundraising event. 16:00.695 --> 16:12.718 [SPEAKER_02]: And on the table, while the people who were there at the auction for like, dressed all fancy and glist out, it's like a gallant and shit and people are paying, you know, $300 a plate to go to this thing. 16:13.578 --> 16:22.543 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it was on display with many other things that were there for the sign auction, and it very clearly says, please do not touch. 16:23.103 --> 16:36.009 [SPEAKER_02]: And so after everything, like, everybody gets ushered out of the sign auction room and to the dining room to wear the tape, like, they're going to sit, do this sit down dinner and whoever the host is, is doing their hosting thing, cooking on stage and shit. 16:36.809 --> 16:41.552 [SPEAKER_02]: So the sign line auction room is emptying out, and the people that are there working 16:42.892 --> 16:47.334 [SPEAKER_02]: Go up to the knife and they start touching the knife and I'm like, Oh, you can have a look at it. 16:47.454 --> 16:48.755 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I'm the maker. 16:49.155 --> 16:50.216 [SPEAKER_02]: You can have a look at it. 16:50.236 --> 16:51.516 [SPEAKER_02]: Be careful because it's very sharp. 16:51.536 --> 16:58.740 [SPEAKER_02]: And the first thing they fucking do is put their thumb on the edge and they start trying to judge the sharpness of the knife. 17:00.381 --> 17:03.062 [SPEAKER_02]: And thankfully, they did not cut themselves. 17:03.342 --> 17:07.504 [SPEAKER_02]: But the worst part is they're like, Well, it doesn't feel that sharp. 17:08.264 --> 17:08.985 [SPEAKER_02]: So many sent that. 17:09.632 --> 17:10.072 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 17:10.352 --> 17:17.176 [SPEAKER_02]: And so we'll just say, and I grabbed a piece of paper and I slayed that knife right through the paper and they're like, well, that's where it didn't feel sharp. 17:17.216 --> 17:21.379 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, it's odd how the sharper a knife gets. 17:21.539 --> 17:23.000 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't actually feel that sharp. 17:23.360 --> 17:30.284 [SPEAKER_02]: And I could see that customer with that pairing knife viewers pulling the pairing knife out, putting their stupid thumb on the edge and be like, oh. 17:30.664 --> 17:31.745 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's not that sharp. 17:32.425 --> 17:37.468 [SPEAKER_02]: Without ever cutting anything else, or testing it in any meaningful way. 17:37.988 --> 17:44.933 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, but like you said, it could also just be some bullshit story where they're like, their wife is like, what the fuck did you spend not money on? 17:45.193 --> 17:47.034 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it happened to me the reason. 17:47.334 --> 17:49.175 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, people are great. 17:49.195 --> 17:51.797 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, people literally, I mean, we say this all the time. 17:53.098 --> 17:53.718 [SPEAKER_05]: people are nuts. 17:53.959 --> 18:04.910 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, they just, the things that come out of people's mouths are hilarious all the time and, you know, I, so it's, it's not a surprise. 18:04.930 --> 18:07.573 [SPEAKER_05]: I am surprised that the guy said to you at that event. 18:07.593 --> 18:13.059 [SPEAKER_05]: This isn't that sharp, but like these, these big money guys, they like to, they like to be a little bit more. 18:14.380 --> 18:16.922 [SPEAKER_05]: Extra with everybody so well, it's it happens. 18:16.962 --> 18:17.742 [SPEAKER_02]: It shows too. 18:18.002 --> 18:22.845 [SPEAKER_02]: I've had that happen multiple times and and I honestly Experience it myself. 18:22.965 --> 18:24.246 [SPEAKER_02]: I sharpened a knife. 18:24.406 --> 18:30.129 [SPEAKER_02]: It's got like a fucking 6,000 grit mirror polish finish on it off stones. 18:30.389 --> 18:41.756 [SPEAKER_02]: It's beautiful and it doesn't actually feel that sharp When you touch it with your hand, but then the second your finger slides or you put it through a piece of paper That fucking thing is a razor sharp. 18:42.016 --> 18:43.377 [SPEAKER_02]: You got to be super careful 18:44.037 --> 18:56.789 [SPEAKER_02]: But a lot of people just, they touch their thumb to it or like rub their finger perpendicular to the edge and they're like, well, they're expected like a rough shot and they, yeah, you know, they're expecting a rough sorts. 18:57.509 --> 19:00.292 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. 19:01.793 --> 19:02.254 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. 19:02.814 --> 19:10.001 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what they don't understand is they're, they're used to bullshit edge rather than actual razor sharp edge. 19:11.405 --> 19:16.767 [SPEAKER_05]: Funny thinking about, I might have told the story years ago, but they're talking about big shots at these events. 19:17.488 --> 19:22.650 [SPEAKER_05]: I was at a, I donated a knife to this event and invited me to the auction and stuff like that. 19:22.670 --> 19:29.673 [SPEAKER_05]: And this big mocker came up to me and he started talking about the knife making, you wanted to know how many hours it takes to make a knife. 19:29.733 --> 19:33.215 [SPEAKER_05]: And you know, they all made it, as soon as you say, wow, you know, it depends. 19:33.335 --> 19:37.217 [SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no, no, no, no, you wanted to kind of like itemize the time and stuff like that. 19:37.237 --> 19:38.838 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, a lot about the price and then he goes, 19:39.758 --> 19:42.722 [SPEAKER_05]: For up, you know, you're better off babysitting at that rate. 19:44.143 --> 19:46.866 [SPEAKER_05]: And I said, I said, you about to go for a swim dog. 19:47.367 --> 19:50.671 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, I don't know how to run you right into the Hudson River right now. 19:50.731 --> 19:52.813 [SPEAKER_05]: But I was like, I'll never forget these big mockers. 19:52.833 --> 19:56.658 [SPEAKER_05]: They're just like, well, for that price, you might as well, you're better off babysitting. 19:57.794 --> 19:58.114 [SPEAKER_05]: Fuck you. 19:58.154 --> 20:00.356 [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, are they saying that you're charging too much? 20:00.376 --> 20:22.269 [SPEAKER_05]: No, I was charging too little at the time He was trying to figure out the cost of he was trying to figure out the cost of the cost of making the knife This is years ago and then he was basically he came up with what my hourly weight rate was probably and then you know They basically said I should give it up and be a babysitter It's interesting. 20:22.349 --> 20:24.431 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel and it obviously this is not like 20:26.351 --> 20:42.748 [SPEAKER_02]: Patently true across the whole board, but generally it seems like People who are making hundreds of dollars an hour or, you know, thousands of dollars a day Are usually the people who are like who I don't know if that's worth it. 20:43.629 --> 20:45.230 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like you motherfucker, dude 20:46.031 --> 20:47.072 [SPEAKER_05]: You're absolutely right. 20:47.292 --> 20:58.916 [SPEAKER_05]: You're absolutely right because I remember, well, I was at the Center, when I was at the Center for Mental Arts, we were doing a huge renovation job on these outdoor gates and railings off of the house, off the Hudson River, mansion. 20:59.477 --> 21:00.697 [SPEAKER_05]: This place was amazing. 21:00.757 --> 21:02.118 [SPEAKER_05]: These gates were incredible. 21:02.398 --> 21:03.658 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it was really amazing. 21:03.818 --> 21:04.539 [SPEAKER_05]: It was really amazing. 21:04.559 --> 21:05.439 [SPEAKER_05]: These people were like, 21:06.159 --> 21:14.183 [SPEAKER_05]: Rich capital R-rich and I remember my boss was saying to me's like, I don't know the owner is Is nickland diming me? 21:14.223 --> 21:15.303 [SPEAKER_05]: He's like, I'm so rich. 21:15.343 --> 21:22.587 [SPEAKER_05]: I just can't believe it and I said to him rich people don't stay rich by giving it away And that's always the case. 21:22.847 --> 21:27.489 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean then rich people don't give it a Stay rich given it away Yeah, so 21:28.525 --> 21:29.486 [SPEAKER_03]: They love that sham. 21:29.847 --> 21:30.528 [SPEAKER_03]: Fuck them. 21:30.688 --> 21:31.409 [SPEAKER_03]: Fuck the rich. 21:31.449 --> 21:32.910 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right, that's right, that's right. 21:33.251 --> 21:34.032 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the rich. 21:34.232 --> 21:34.893 [SPEAKER_03]: Fuck the rich. 21:35.293 --> 21:36.255 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you robbing that? 21:36.976 --> 21:37.616 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. 21:38.157 --> 21:39.419 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, robbing the rich. 21:39.439 --> 21:40.720 [SPEAKER_03]: So back to sharpening. 21:40.780 --> 21:42.062 [SPEAKER_03]: Back to sharpening the second. 21:42.382 --> 21:42.583 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 21:43.386 --> 21:44.948 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, how are you shopping in? 21:45.228 --> 21:53.416 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, Oracle, using the grind uh, using a, like a shopping machine, what, what's, what's the, Yeah, I, I'm using a, my grinder. 21:53.636 --> 21:55.658 [SPEAKER_02]: I use my two by 72, my broad back. 21:55.918 --> 21:56.519 [SPEAKER_02]: I love the thing. 21:57.120 --> 22:01.123 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, but yeah, I do, and I do it in a very slightly unconventional way. 22:01.224 --> 22:02.945 [SPEAKER_02]: I sharpen with the edge vertical. 22:03.806 --> 22:14.010 [SPEAKER_02]: So the handle is up closer towards my face with the tip down and I am using as much of the hard platinum behind the belt to support the edges I'm sharpening. 22:14.530 --> 22:15.330 [SPEAKER_02]: I used to do it perfectly. 22:15.350 --> 22:19.592 [SPEAKER_03]: So with the platinum right in vertical too, you haven't tell to your grinded that platinum's vertical too. 22:20.044 --> 22:23.107 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, it just in its standard position. 22:23.707 --> 22:39.920 [SPEAKER_02]: And this way I can act can watch the relationship typically, not on a full integral bolster that goes down to the edge typically, but like any, most of any other non-integral knife, I can watch the relationship of the blade angle 22:40.681 --> 22:41.382 [SPEAKER_02]: to the belt. 22:41.882 --> 22:53.394 [SPEAKER_02]: And I can kind of judge the angle and use that as my visual guide and reference as I kind of swipe the blade vertically or upwards along the edge. 22:53.415 --> 23:00.882 [SPEAKER_02]: But I find when I first started sharpening on a machine on a grinder, I was doing a perpendicular to the belt. 23:01.988 --> 23:12.552 [SPEAKER_02]: And the problem was, is I was having issues with accidentally undercutting the belly or something like that, um, getting some weird wiggles and whips and whatever that I didn't want. 23:12.612 --> 23:12.852 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 23:13.012 --> 23:16.914 [SPEAKER_02]: Or accidentally washing out either the tip or the heel of the knife. 23:17.174 --> 23:23.656 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, yeah, by doing it vertically or at least across as much of the platinum as I possibly can comfortably. 23:23.736 --> 23:25.977 [SPEAKER_02]: And you could, like, you make a, that was a great question. 23:25.997 --> 23:30.739 [SPEAKER_02]: Because you could flip the platinum, uh, the the grinder over on its side. 23:31.579 --> 23:37.681 [SPEAKER_02]: and then do it that way even with like a table rest wouldn't necessarily be the worst idea honestly. 23:38.721 --> 23:51.085 [SPEAKER_02]: But anyways, but that way it helped to reduce the chances of me accidentally under like cutting too deeply into the belly and getting shit out of the line. 23:51.185 --> 23:58.208 [SPEAKER_02]: This way the edge is fully supported by the platten and so I'm just doing the slightest little swiping or rocking of 23:59.788 --> 24:10.812 [SPEAKER_02]: to get that sharp and sharpening wheel on both sides and then I finish with contact wheels or not contact wheels but buffing wheels to polish the edge and then yeah. 24:12.032 --> 24:16.454 [SPEAKER_05]: So you're the blade is engaging the most in almost the entire flat. 24:17.365 --> 24:34.766 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like a set like if it's a 7.5 inch or 7 inch Centaur cube, like that entire blade is over the platen right yeah, and it's not perfectly vertical because a knife's edge benefits from 24:36.167 --> 24:42.531 [SPEAKER_02]: the abrasion across or perpendicular to the cutting edge. 24:43.472 --> 24:51.776 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want it perfectly in line with the edge because the teeth, those microstrations that are created are what are actually doing their work. 24:51.817 --> 25:00.482 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why those pull-through sharpeners, not only they're just not practical, but one of the biggest problems with them is that they are creating a monotooth 25:01.122 --> 25:08.604 [SPEAKER_02]: down the edge rather than multiple sourage micro sourations that you would get from abrading against the stone or against a belt grinder. 25:08.644 --> 25:18.547 [SPEAKER_02]: And so by holding it vertically, but still at a slight angle, I'm still getting that crossed cross edge kind of cutting action. 25:19.807 --> 25:22.549 [SPEAKER_02]: And which creates those microsurations on the edge. 25:23.329 --> 25:25.230 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I just do work. 25:25.510 --> 25:39.977 [SPEAKER_02]: And for my production stuff, like when I'm doing a sharpening business, I start on the machine on the flat platen, go to a buffing arm, and then I finished by pulling the knife edge through some cardboard. 25:40.838 --> 25:43.779 [SPEAKER_02]: To really get a feel for how it's cutting, and then some newspaper print. 25:44.360 --> 25:48.282 [SPEAKER_02]: But when I'm doing my custom stuff, I actually still start at the same way on the machine. 25:49.622 --> 25:59.330 [SPEAKER_02]: But then I finish on a Western, and I just do that little extra, but honestly, it doesn't take too much more time than doing it, doing the buffing arm stuff. 25:59.950 --> 26:11.099 [SPEAKER_05]: Question for you, because you're using a bot rod back, do you ever turn the rod back vertically, so your edge, when if you, your edge would be closer to being horizontal when you're sharpening. 26:11.980 --> 26:14.582 [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't, but I think that's not a bad idea. 26:16.402 --> 26:17.463 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a good idea. 26:17.543 --> 26:18.543 [SPEAKER_02]: I just haven't done it myself. 26:18.563 --> 26:18.744 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 26:19.244 --> 26:20.185 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 26:20.345 --> 26:24.347 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just, I'm just too lazy to even turn the machine sideways. 26:24.387 --> 26:25.708 [SPEAKER_02]: I just keep everything in place. 26:26.189 --> 26:28.010 [SPEAKER_02]: I stopped even using small contact. 26:28.090 --> 26:29.931 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even use small contact wheels anymore. 26:30.692 --> 26:33.794 [SPEAKER_02]: The, as little toolarm changing out is I can do the better. 26:33.814 --> 26:34.774 [SPEAKER_02]: You get to have two. 26:34.874 --> 26:35.875 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why that's what I got. 26:36.355 --> 26:37.256 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, one special. 26:37.316 --> 26:40.198 [SPEAKER_05]: You'll want special for turn sideways, baby. 26:40.918 --> 26:42.339 [SPEAKER_03]: Ha ha ha ha. 26:43.440 --> 26:44.221 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'll spit on it then. 26:44.501 --> 26:46.283 [SPEAKER_05]: Jeff, you want to tell us how you do y'all shopping in? 26:46.463 --> 26:52.629 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I use the, I use the tourmic, and I actually just sharpen some knives. 26:52.649 --> 26:58.875 [SPEAKER_05]: They're going to go in the mail, and I love the tourmic, and if you go to tourmic.com, you can see everything they're doing. 26:59.456 --> 27:02.459 [SPEAKER_05]: If you go to tourmic underscore, sharpening Instagram, you can give them a follow. 27:02.659 --> 27:06.142 [SPEAKER_05]: I talked to my man Carl all the time, saw him make her camp a jack. 27:07.003 --> 27:08.325 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's a great company. 27:08.505 --> 27:09.746 [SPEAKER_05]: I really stand behind. 27:10.147 --> 27:12.369 [SPEAKER_05]: They're not only their customer service, but the quality there. 27:12.529 --> 27:16.433 [SPEAKER_05]: I got a message from one of our listeners who had gotten a knock-off. 27:16.694 --> 27:18.235 [SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of knock-off tournaments. 27:19.176 --> 27:26.063 [SPEAKER_05]: And he sent a message basically saying, I think it was our man, 5C, 4G, said he got somebody sent him, gave him a gift and was a knock-off tournament. 27:26.083 --> 27:27.545 [SPEAKER_05]: And he says, boy, it was blousey. 27:28.067 --> 27:36.292 [SPEAKER_05]: and I've talked to the torment people about like knockoffs and they're very aware of where everyone's knocking their machine off and it's just not up to standards. 27:36.412 --> 27:37.713 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just not, yeah, it's good. 27:37.813 --> 27:41.355 [SPEAKER_05]: So definitely get yourself a buy at once and cry once. 27:41.675 --> 27:45.497 [SPEAKER_02]: They say, you know, it's yeah quality control is underrated. 27:46.738 --> 27:50.140 [SPEAKER_02]: You can make something look the same as something else all fucking day long. 27:50.180 --> 27:50.400 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. 27:50.680 --> 27:51.941 [SPEAKER_02]: But the quality of it. 27:53.433 --> 27:55.255 [SPEAKER_02]: It makes a huge difference. 27:55.595 --> 28:00.719 [SPEAKER_05]: Speaking of which, a little tourmic, years ago, our couple years ago, I went to Sweden. 28:01.039 --> 28:08.265 [SPEAKER_05]: So many told me that there are these companies that are making aftermarket products for the tourmic, like for serrated knives and stuff like that. 28:08.385 --> 28:12.548 [SPEAKER_05]: And I ended up talking to the CEO Samuel, who is fabulous. 28:13.049 --> 28:20.575 [SPEAKER_05]: And they asked him, because he said to me, he's like, if you ever see companies that are making knockoffs, let us know, because you want to make sure, we're just checking that stuff. 28:20.935 --> 28:22.737 [SPEAKER_05]: And I asked him to do the hour and day for us. 28:22.977 --> 28:24.598 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, no, no, he won't do it. 28:24.618 --> 28:26.580 [SPEAKER_05]: I speak, this is just to that. 28:26.600 --> 28:35.267 [SPEAKER_05]: So I asked him what he thought about these companies making after market products for tour Mac and he says, yeah, we're aware of them all and we don't encourage it. 28:35.307 --> 28:39.931 [SPEAKER_05]: But at the same time, we wouldn't make, you know, we wouldn't make the tools that they're making. 28:39.991 --> 28:42.593 [SPEAKER_05]: So we don't like send them season to season to season letters. 28:42.693 --> 28:46.156 [SPEAKER_05]: But it's just like, they're very well aware of all that stuff being made. 28:46.176 --> 28:48.058 [SPEAKER_05]: And they're just like, yeah, it's not something we would do. 28:48.978 --> 28:52.961 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not going to where I can get a hold up about it, but there are, you know, it's a great card and they're great people. 28:53.001 --> 28:54.482 [SPEAKER_05]: So that's fair. 28:55.103 --> 29:01.127 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, two different ways for shopping and one with a broad back and one with a Tomac. 29:01.268 --> 29:02.408 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, shall we do some questions? 29:02.428 --> 29:05.731 [SPEAKER_03]: We have questions, we have feedback, we have, whatever you want. 29:06.558 --> 29:08.579 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I'll start with the first question then. 29:08.999 --> 29:13.020 [SPEAKER_03]: From Stanton Jones, we are knife talk podcast on Instagram. 29:13.080 --> 29:22.664 [SPEAKER_03]: If you've got questions, DMS, DMS or audio questions too, or you'd like them, but Stanton Jones is an executive at saying, I have a couple of business related questions for you guys. 29:23.324 --> 29:26.105 [SPEAKER_03]: When do you know to raise your prices and by how much? 29:26.805 --> 29:30.289 [SPEAKER_03]: And how do you handle price quotes to customers getting on a weight list? 29:30.669 --> 29:36.976 [SPEAKER_03]: But customer asks for a price on a knife, but that builds up potentially several months out and you decide to raise your prices in the meantime. 29:37.517 --> 29:43.223 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you honor that original quote or because you've not officially taken the order and those prices subject to change? 29:44.104 --> 29:45.205 [SPEAKER_03]: Hope that wasn't too confusing. 29:45.385 --> 29:49.407 [SPEAKER_03]: OK, so you've got a price in, I haven't to change your price in, when should you change your price in? 29:49.708 --> 30:01.254 [SPEAKER_03]: And for those already on a list where you've maybe quoted in the past, did they get the new reflected updated price in, or they got a frozen price from when they made their initial inquiry? 30:01.915 --> 30:07.878 [SPEAKER_03]: This is probably a good one for you, Maracco, because I know you had a huge weight list at one point, how are you handling things like that? 30:09.313 --> 30:31.369 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think if I were to start again, I would probably start with keeping my prices basically as low as I can actually afford so that I can still obviously cover the overhead cost of operating the business but also being able to pay my bills and then 30:32.410 --> 30:45.055 [SPEAKER_02]: as popularity builds and demand builds like standard what it's applying demand like economic principles that you can start to push those prices up to reflect the demand. 30:45.655 --> 30:48.856 [SPEAKER_02]: And but I would be careful not to go too high too fast. 30:49.117 --> 30:54.559 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I've talked about this in past episodes, but I feel like my pricing kind of started to get to 30:55.679 --> 31:23.175 [SPEAKER_02]: a place that honestly like I felt like it seemed cool that I was getting tons of money for a piece but also at the same time I didn't, I was having hard time with it because I have my own like issues around money from just like life and growing up and how I feel about money and I never took that into consideration around how to operate a business and it's definitely something that kind of ponder on if you're thinking about trying to push things up but I think 31:25.815 --> 31:51.145 [SPEAKER_02]: was to actually keep them probably lower longer just to help help with kind of like the the buyer curve I guess and encouraging more people and I still have plenty of demand which is great I'm thankful for and thankfully like the quality of my work reflects the price but it's tricky like I think I think 31:52.197 --> 31:56.998 [SPEAKER_02]: going backwards in price is not necessarily the greatest thing. 31:57.719 --> 32:06.261 [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously there are people who are doing like production work, like hundreds of knives and maybe you have some flexibility there to like have sales or do stuff like that. 32:06.281 --> 32:12.743 [SPEAKER_02]: Most of the stuff I was building were very like one off one at a time kind of things. 32:14.423 --> 32:23.189 [SPEAKER_02]: And so people are looking at my work from an investment standpoint as in regards to like, what is the secondary market going to look like for something like this? 32:23.589 --> 32:26.531 [SPEAKER_02]: If I buy it now, and I decided a couple years later, I want to sell it. 32:26.911 --> 32:28.292 [SPEAKER_02]: Will it retain its value or not? 32:28.732 --> 32:32.895 [SPEAKER_02]: And the last thing those people want to see is the value of your work going down. 32:33.916 --> 32:35.217 [SPEAKER_01]: Either because of lack of a plan. 32:36.072 --> 32:55.678 [SPEAKER_02]: lack of demand or because you decided you're not comfortable with it and so I have to play within that area of discomfort and realize really more than anything it's not that the work isn't worth it it's I like I have to wrap my head around the fact that I am putting hours of work into my work and to the knives that I'm building 32:56.358 --> 33:09.824 [SPEAKER_02]: I have a very unique style that has now been, I think, emulated across, and it has inspired a lot of inspiration or stylistic choices for people. 33:11.445 --> 33:24.291 [SPEAKER_02]: But especially when it comes to my design, my Damascus pattern design and stuff, I do have a unique thing there that I think adds extra value to the work that I'm creating because I'm the only one that can do that kind of stuff. 33:25.292 --> 33:28.454 [SPEAKER_02]: or at least the patterns that I'm making and innovating on. 33:29.054 --> 33:36.440 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm coming to terms with the value of my work, but I will say it's just definitely something to take in consideration. 33:37.741 --> 33:44.746 [SPEAKER_02]: And then regards to honoring prices, I think if you tell somebody you're going to charge them a certain amount, you kind of got to honor that. 33:45.406 --> 33:50.951 [SPEAKER_02]: And especially if they take a deposit of some sort, but I do think, 33:51.631 --> 34:05.920 [SPEAKER_02]: If I were to go back and do things again, I would reduce the amount of deposits I took if not reduce them to complete zero and just say currently this is what this kind of style knife would be worth or that I would sell for. 34:06.680 --> 34:24.916 [SPEAKER_03]: those prices and you can build in a stipulation of those prices are subject to change as material costs go up in whatever I think particularly particularly these sort of unsuit times with material costs where fuel is rocket so you know all all suppliers have to put up their prices absolutely 34:25.497 --> 34:34.103 [SPEAKER_03]: But we always say that, but the materials are only a very small part of a high quality knife because it's the time in the effort that goes into it. 34:34.183 --> 34:38.666 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's still a big consideration as these prices arise in them rising, it's the huge consideration. 34:40.033 --> 34:41.274 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think you're right. 34:41.374 --> 34:46.278 [SPEAKER_03]: If you're taking a deposit, I think you need to sort of honor that price that the deposit was laid down on. 34:46.578 --> 34:56.566 [SPEAKER_03]: But if you haven't, I think, yeah, I think you're more than, um, yeah, it's more than fine to say that, you know, things have changed and prices are not on this. 34:57.610 --> 35:02.012 [SPEAKER_05]: There is nothing dumber than when you put it or deposit down for a knife. 35:02.813 --> 35:06.075 [SPEAKER_05]: And then, e-mail fuckers take forever. 35:06.335 --> 35:08.536 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, you know, plus a year. 35:09.536 --> 35:16.120 [SPEAKER_05]: And then, then once it's ready to go, they start complaining about you're getting to sit a better rate than it should be. 35:17.081 --> 35:18.221 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, no. 35:18.341 --> 35:20.302 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't, you do not put that on the customer. 35:20.602 --> 35:24.885 [SPEAKER_05]: Dude, some of you, muffuckers are not doing it right. 35:26.105 --> 35:26.785 [SPEAKER_05]: They're not doing it. 35:26.985 --> 35:32.168 [SPEAKER_05]: You can't start being like, give a guy quote, and then that's contractors too. 35:32.208 --> 35:48.677 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, I know contractors who, you know, they give a price and then they take a bath and then next thing, you know, they're gilting the, gilting the, they're customer, like, I really, I really, I really underbid this project and, you know, you're just moping or you're saying things. 35:48.757 --> 35:50.398 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just like, you gotta be a man. 35:50.598 --> 35:52.219 [SPEAKER_05]: You gotta do what you're supposed to do. 35:52.259 --> 35:52.599 [SPEAKER_05]: You gotta, 35:53.059 --> 36:00.287 [SPEAKER_05]: You got to be the person that you're expected to be, which is a honorable person, that's the worst. 36:00.367 --> 36:05.092 [SPEAKER_05]: I've heard it and seen it, and it's like, it's just, I bought it knife in the guy I was like, 36:05.738 --> 36:09.460 [SPEAKER_04]: Boy, you really got a good deal on that price because, you know, it should have been more. 36:10.421 --> 36:11.742 [SPEAKER_05]: I really ate it on this one. 36:11.762 --> 36:13.162 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just like, yeah, it has for you. 36:13.583 --> 36:14.183 [SPEAKER_05]: It has for you. 36:14.503 --> 36:15.164 [SPEAKER_05]: Biopic. 36:15.804 --> 36:16.404 [SPEAKER_02]: It's for you. 36:17.165 --> 36:18.346 [SPEAKER_02]: Auto biography dog. 36:18.406 --> 36:20.427 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so it's just, use your head. 36:20.567 --> 36:22.888 [SPEAKER_05]: Dude, what are the things that I'll say? 36:22.908 --> 36:24.349 [SPEAKER_05]: I love this podcast. 36:24.369 --> 36:25.650 [SPEAKER_05]: I love talking to you guys. 36:25.690 --> 36:28.172 [SPEAKER_05]: And I love saying, well, this, but I love our listeners. 36:29.553 --> 36:40.804 [SPEAKER_05]: There's some things you got to do that's a little bit more nuanced than this, which might be really spending some energy learning how to do business. 36:41.424 --> 36:50.413 [SPEAKER_05]: Go taking in the economics class, reading books on the economy, marketing on business, maybe talking to someone other than a knife maker, because I think that 36:51.394 --> 37:16.755 [SPEAKER_05]: The one thing I've learned and I've gotten so much better at is saying I don't know all these answers but I'm going to find someone who does and then I'm going to pay them and then they're going to be making good decisions for me and that has been like the ultimate game changer for me in terms of going from being an artist to having a business as a business is successful, successful and you know however you quantify success. 37:17.535 --> 37:39.713 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's the issue that a lot of people who are getting into this and they're seeing that idea of what I should be doing and they're You're thinking of good things like stands coming up with some good questions like what should I be doing in regards to pricing and how should I be navigating the prices and RECO said they're good things and Craig said really good points in regards to like the process the prices of raw materials and stuff like that. 37:41.324 --> 38:05.138 [SPEAKER_05]: the real guys who do good business just have to think long term and it's the short term questions are just not the right ones and not it's not that they're not the right ones but getting it long term does making long term decisions are really really important yeah yeah okay cool good question stanton who wants to take the next one from Steve Alice 38:07.244 --> 38:14.691 [SPEAKER_02]: I got you, it says question from Steve Ellis, what is the best process in your experience to get a good, even coffee etched? 38:15.311 --> 38:21.197 [SPEAKER_02]: I've tried a couple times on some sandmine and I always, and it, sorry, it always comes out blotchy. 38:21.857 --> 38:24.220 [SPEAKER_02]: 1084 core and 1520 cladding. 38:24.680 --> 38:26.762 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks and love the show. 38:28.051 --> 38:36.418 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so it sounds like he's having some issues with his coffee edge, especially on sand my stuff that has a 1084 chord 15 to 20 cladding. 38:37.379 --> 38:38.560 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you guys have any thoughts on you? 38:38.580 --> 38:39.220 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is you. 38:39.240 --> 38:43.904 [SPEAKER_05]: You know what would be good if you just give a real quick origin of what the coffee edge does. 38:44.905 --> 38:49.952 [SPEAKER_05]: some of our listeners are coming new and maybe they don't know what you're talking about. 38:50.032 --> 39:00.507 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it has become standard practice to use some sort of coffee, usually typically dehydrated coffee, some sort of so instant coffee. 39:02.129 --> 39:11.220 [SPEAKER_02]: as an etching solution to help with creating or bringing out contrast between the different metals within a Damascus mixture. 39:12.361 --> 39:17.047 [SPEAKER_02]: Typically in the Damascus one pattern or one portion of the material and one steel. 39:17.667 --> 39:25.889 [SPEAKER_02]: that is used, which is typically the 15 and 20, will etch more of a bright silver, or even a kind of like in generally speaking like a white line. 39:26.509 --> 39:36.171 [SPEAKER_02]: And then at some sort of 10 series, but not just 10 series, but some other steel that's mixed in will etch black. 39:36.631 --> 39:42.132 [SPEAKER_02]: And then there are variations of different chemistry steels that can get different shades of gray and stuff like that. 39:43.012 --> 39:51.274 [SPEAKER_02]: But, um, the coffee really helps to accentuate that contrast, um, so for me in my coffee etching solution, um, I'm essentially doing, uh, two cups, oh, am I doing two cups? 39:51.294 --> 40:02.997 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, like a, uh, two, uh, two, uh, two, uh, two, uh, two, uh, two, uh, two, uh, two, uh, two, uh, two, uh, two, uh, two, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, 40:04.998 --> 40:10.140 [SPEAKER_02]: the coffee, I use the Nescafay Classical Dark Rose to start off. 40:10.621 --> 40:13.102 [SPEAKER_02]: There, people would get good results with all kinds. 40:13.582 --> 40:20.725 [SPEAKER_02]: I just use the Nescafay Classical Dark Rose even though it's basically doubled in pricing from the last five years. 40:22.225 --> 40:23.866 [SPEAKER_02]: From pricing from five years ago. 40:24.667 --> 40:39.684 [SPEAKER_02]: But anyways, I try to account for it as just an a consumable that just like any of your belts that you would use the grindable of laid that it's just part of the cost of doing business. 40:42.847 --> 40:44.328 [SPEAKER_02]: I use the whole container. 40:44.428 --> 40:52.170 [SPEAKER_02]: Typically you can buy them in seven ounce containers, which is essentially a one-leater container. 40:52.970 --> 40:54.030 [SPEAKER_02]: If you were to fill it with water. 40:54.230 --> 40:58.491 [SPEAKER_02]: But instead, of course, it's filled with the dehydrated coffee crystals. 40:58.991 --> 41:07.654 [SPEAKER_02]: I dump one of those in and then I do a one-to-one mixture of distilled water to coffee. 41:08.534 --> 41:09.475 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, or sorry, two to one. 41:10.055 --> 41:11.196 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm already getting things mixed up. 41:11.236 --> 41:11.716 [SPEAKER_02]: Two to one. 41:12.537 --> 41:25.567 [SPEAKER_02]: So two parts distilled water and one part instant coffee and that will give me the ratio I find works well for getting a contrast edge. 41:26.932 --> 41:51.335 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the origins of this are still not exactly known about who first started doing this, but I think what's really happening in the coffee that helps it to achieve the contrast is that there's something about the various tannic acids that are in there as well as they're like phosphoric acid that's added in small bit or small amounts to add to the bitterness. 41:52.696 --> 41:59.300 [SPEAKER_02]: That maybe has lost over time when these dehydrated crystals are stored for it long periods of time. 41:59.520 --> 42:05.063 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, all right, so all that to say, this guy's trying to use the instant coffee to get contrast. 42:05.403 --> 42:14.167 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure the 10804 is turning a great like rich or like deep black color, but it sounds like the blotching is occurring on a 15 and 20. 42:15.288 --> 42:18.290 [SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about this in the past and it bears repeating. 42:19.210 --> 42:34.035 [SPEAKER_02]: that I find that if the 15 and 20, if the portions of the pattern that are over the 15 and 20, the silver or white lines are broader than an eighth of an inch, they are going to pick up some color. 42:34.315 --> 42:44.158 [SPEAKER_02]: And so if you are using 15 and 20 as the cladding on top of your 10804 core, that is going to be quite a lot of 15 and 20 that is exposed. 42:45.298 --> 42:50.881 [SPEAKER_02]: Possibly as as much as almost two inches wide if it's a chef's knife or a Santocco or something like that, right? 42:51.841 --> 42:58.844 [SPEAKER_02]: So there one way around that would to would be to do some selective 43:00.785 --> 43:17.322 [SPEAKER_02]: either selective etching where you're painting and resist over the 15 and 20 after you hands in or you go back and you clean it up and do some selective sanding with like potentially cutips and like lose abrasive or something like that. 43:18.003 --> 43:19.724 [SPEAKER_02]: to get in there and send that. 43:19.764 --> 43:21.085 [SPEAKER_02]: That does not sound super fun. 43:21.665 --> 43:25.767 [SPEAKER_02]: I would suggest not using 15 in 20 as the cladding. 43:26.067 --> 43:36.193 [SPEAKER_02]: Traditionally people will use like a 300 series or even a 400 series stainless steel as the cladding with the nickel shim between the core and the cladding. 43:36.733 --> 43:39.515 [SPEAKER_02]: And that will help keep that cladding nice and clean. 43:40.395 --> 43:42.416 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and it's a pretty straightforward process. 43:42.876 --> 43:47.637 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's, it's not much different from what you're probably doing already to get that 15 and 20. 43:48.117 --> 43:50.218 [SPEAKER_02]: Clad over your 1084 core. 43:50.978 --> 43:54.739 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so, but I would, yeah. 43:55.099 --> 43:59.421 [SPEAKER_02]: I would suggest figuring something out about that 15 and 20. 43:59.541 --> 44:03.062 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's not the greatest cladding for, for steels. 44:03.182 --> 44:09.904 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I could, I could see somebody using it because that's just what they have on hand, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's the best thing to use. 44:10.708 --> 44:15.873 [SPEAKER_05]: but you're still getting that galvanic reaction to make though, yeah, they have that reaction. 44:16.093 --> 44:16.393 [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. 44:16.453 --> 44:17.114 [SPEAKER_02]: Fancy words. 44:17.294 --> 44:18.795 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that's that's what makes it. 44:19.496 --> 44:24.180 [SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't you can't just put a piece of monosteal into the coffee actually get a dark, right? 44:25.641 --> 44:27.102 [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, actually you can. 44:28.180 --> 44:29.901 [SPEAKER_05]: What about the galbianic fucking reaction? 44:30.621 --> 44:31.462 [SPEAKER_05]: What's going on? 44:31.642 --> 44:34.143 [SPEAKER_02]: If it is sent to the god damn god, it is reaction. 44:34.163 --> 44:35.223 [SPEAKER_02]: God damn. 44:35.243 --> 44:37.104 [SPEAKER_02]: You just want to do it. 44:37.404 --> 44:38.085 [SPEAKER_02]: Big ass words. 44:38.125 --> 44:41.146 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's been racist. 44:41.166 --> 44:42.207 [SPEAKER_02]: God damn it. 44:42.847 --> 44:43.787 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. 44:43.888 --> 44:45.708 [SPEAKER_02]: It increases the galbianic reaction. 44:46.109 --> 44:48.370 [SPEAKER_02]: Increases the darkening or the reaction. 44:49.330 --> 45:04.318 [SPEAKER_02]: of the, I guess, the less, or sorry, the more corrosive material, I guess, or the, the dark material, which has more of a reaction to whatever acid is in the steel or in the steel mixture. 45:05.858 --> 45:30.323 [SPEAKER_02]: what Jeff's talking about is the galvanic reaction is essentially you're putting two different types of steels and especially two that are forged welded together they're bonded together at that boundary and because there's two different steels one is reactive to whatever acid is in the solution whether it's ferric, whether it's gate or piss, whether it's coffee, whether it's myriadic, whatever it is one is more reactive 45:31.043 --> 45:32.624 [SPEAKER_02]: to the acid and one is not. 45:33.364 --> 45:41.208 [SPEAKER_02]: The 15 and 20 is the one that is typically less reactive in this mixture and the 1080 is more reactive. 45:41.388 --> 45:45.170 [SPEAKER_02]: And so the galvanic is the nickel content because there's the nickel content. 45:45.190 --> 45:46.731 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that is a very important point. 45:47.011 --> 45:51.274 [SPEAKER_02]: important point to add, which is why it stays kind of like that silver color. 45:52.735 --> 46:11.928 [SPEAKER_02]: And so what's it's creating the galvanic reactions somewhat of like a weak electrical reaction to the acid and the different materials in that acid solution, which is why the more reactive material etches more aggressively and typically darker as well. 46:13.376 --> 46:20.339 [SPEAKER_02]: But you can etch a steel to be, to darken it, a mono steel. 46:20.499 --> 46:25.941 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just, you get better reaction with when it's bonded to something else. 46:26.161 --> 46:28.822 [SPEAKER_05]: So he's getting blotchy because he's using the wrong material. 46:29.023 --> 46:32.124 [SPEAKER_05]: And there's too much, too much nickel and you got to tighten it up. 46:32.764 --> 46:41.513 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's not even the nickel is a great for corrosion resistance, but it's by itself. 46:41.654 --> 46:47.860 [SPEAKER_02]: But in that steel mixture, it's only 20% by weight in the 15 to 20. 46:47.920 --> 46:48.861 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, hence the 15 and 46:55.227 --> 47:06.413 [SPEAKER_02]: It's still going to react to the coffee and it because of the broad band or the big surface area of 15 and 20 it is going to pick up a tinting and it's going to pick up some coloration for sure. 47:19.718 --> 47:23.879 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well if you're looking for steels, you know where you can go for steels, anyway, don't you? 47:24.579 --> 47:44.663 [SPEAKER_03]: You can go to Maritime Knife Supply, they've got everything you need, not just steels, they've got handle materials, blues, everything you possibly pins, the lot, tools for which is kilns and more, go take a look at Maritime Knife Supply.com, they've been with us for some time now and they wouldn't unless we trusted them, they'd great, go take a look, 47:47.844 --> 47:50.827 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, do you want to take one old handmaids, uh, yes. 47:50.907 --> 47:56.773 [SPEAKER_05]: And we also have great feedback to get to, but uh, okay, let me get to Ronald's handmaid Hold on one second. 47:57.054 --> 47:57.514 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, okay. 47:57.934 --> 48:01.598 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, this one comes from our friend Ronald hand, handmaid, Hayes Sports fans. 48:02.159 --> 48:04.461 [SPEAKER_05]: I haven't had anyone return a knife yet. 48:05.207 --> 48:07.370 [SPEAKER_05]: But I have blacklisted one guy. 48:07.570 --> 48:11.895 [SPEAKER_05]: He reached out and wanted a pretty specific design and asked if I could do a sketch. 48:12.195 --> 48:18.262 [SPEAKER_05]: When I did, he then asked for some moderate changes which I did another rough sketch for. 48:18.923 --> 48:21.366 [SPEAKER_05]: Then he wanted, then he went radio silent. 48:21.666 --> 48:25.187 [SPEAKER_05]: A couple of other makers I know had similar conversations with him. 48:25.688 --> 48:29.489 [SPEAKER_05]: About two or three months later, he popped up again and wanting to talk about another design. 48:29.929 --> 48:32.750 [SPEAKER_05]: I told him I'd only drop it on their design once he painted a deposit. 48:32.831 --> 48:36.092 [SPEAKER_05]: He told me he'd take in my designs to a maker. 48:36.172 --> 48:39.373 [SPEAKER_05]: He knew who offered to make them for much cheaper. 48:39.693 --> 48:43.415 [SPEAKER_05]: I told him to kick rocks, not my actual choice of words, then blocked him. 48:44.695 --> 48:45.576 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, good for you. 48:45.896 --> 48:46.496 [SPEAKER_05]: Good for you. 48:46.856 --> 48:47.817 [SPEAKER_02]: I first thought... 48:52.088 --> 48:53.649 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I would've liked to see that. 48:54.069 --> 48:54.249 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 48:54.929 --> 48:55.770 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, true. 48:55.890 --> 48:57.530 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. 48:58.111 --> 48:59.071 [SPEAKER_03]: I suppose there's two parts. 48:59.111 --> 49:03.913 [SPEAKER_03]: There's the first one is how much work you put into something before there's any sort of commitment. 49:04.873 --> 49:06.994 [SPEAKER_03]: And I've been stung by this so badly. 49:07.094 --> 49:09.936 [SPEAKER_03]: So a lot of my work used to be sort of restaurant work. 49:09.996 --> 49:13.737 [SPEAKER_03]: So when the contract come in, it was generally, you know, very sort of lucrative. 49:13.917 --> 49:17.319 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, so you've put a fair bit of work in for them because it's not a one-off knife. 49:18.639 --> 49:22.622 [SPEAKER_03]: But you know, it happened twice, possibly three times. 49:22.642 --> 49:24.283 [SPEAKER_03]: It's definitely twice that I remember. 49:25.024 --> 49:27.545 [SPEAKER_03]: I was living in France at the time, I'd fly over to the UK. 49:27.986 --> 49:29.306 [SPEAKER_03]: I'd be in a hotel for a weekend. 49:30.327 --> 49:31.588 [SPEAKER_03]: I'd make them a prototype. 49:31.968 --> 49:34.730 [SPEAKER_03]: I'd then get to the restaurant and we'd have the chat and all the rest of it. 49:35.591 --> 49:40.234 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, most of the time they came off, but I had two, and I'm thinking, possibly more. 49:41.014 --> 49:43.035 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, where it was just a complete waste of time, you know. 49:43.415 --> 49:52.781 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so I think in that case, that was on me for not sort of qualified in that customer and I've been making sure, you know, it's the right person who can make the decision, he's ready to pull the plug and all those kind of things. 49:53.801 --> 49:59.905 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so yeah, it's, I'm slightly slightly different scale if it's, you know, one-off knives that are asking to draw them. 50:00.425 --> 50:03.867 [SPEAKER_03]: But again, if you're putting that work in, you know, you want, you want some sort of, 50:05.541 --> 50:09.324 [SPEAKER_03]: It's hard, it's hard for, you want some payoff, it's hard for them to prove, yeah, they're going to buy this knife. 50:10.325 --> 50:14.208 [SPEAKER_03]: Before it's got to have any backier mind that any work you do could lead to nothing, you know. 50:15.068 --> 50:16.969 [SPEAKER_05]: But that's contracting in general. 50:17.470 --> 50:27.237 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, if you're a builder and you're going to metal workers to get some railings done, you're going to have people do some drawings and put some time into interest to put in a bid. 50:27.797 --> 50:32.080 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, and you're going to be going over, you know, blueprints, and you're going to be looking at things. 50:32.100 --> 50:33.761 [SPEAKER_05]: You're going to have to call people up to price things. 50:33.781 --> 50:39.925 [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, it is time spent and sometimes, again, they're generally that generally can be quite lucrative those kind of things that a lot. 50:39.965 --> 50:41.886 [SPEAKER_03]: But a lot of this is trying to get those jobs. 50:42.567 --> 50:43.587 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, true, true. 50:43.667 --> 50:46.870 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and that's kind of also part of the game. 50:47.410 --> 50:49.751 [SPEAKER_05]: I think that the trickiest part is, 50:50.732 --> 50:53.873 [SPEAKER_05]: That trickiest part is being able to figure out how to weed those people out. 50:53.893 --> 51:11.237 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, we've gone down that road where, you know, similar to what you were saying, Craig, and we had a number of a couple years ago, a guy, he was called up and he talked to Allison, and he said, we are all this money, and we need to get all these fake knives made, and he and Allison was like, you got to draw some up, would you draw some up for me? 51:11.257 --> 51:11.797 [SPEAKER_05]: I said, yes sure. 51:12.197 --> 51:15.358 [SPEAKER_05]: I said, but just know this is just not going to, they're not going to pie, you can just forget it. 51:15.738 --> 51:16.619 [SPEAKER_05]: And why do you say that? 51:16.639 --> 51:30.637 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like these these these these people are this is a bullshit I said, but it'll be a good learning experience both of us, so I drew something up and then the guy was really interested in He she had conversations with him on the phone and all of a sudden I thought I think this guy just wants to talk to an Alison I think 51:30.637 --> 51:31.457 [SPEAKER_05]: He just wanted to talk. 51:31.497 --> 51:31.677 [SPEAKER_05]: I know. 51:31.717 --> 51:32.598 [SPEAKER_05]: It was really serious. 51:32.638 --> 51:33.638 [SPEAKER_05]: I said that to her, too. 51:34.078 --> 51:39.439 [SPEAKER_05]: I think he's just looking for, he's looking to talk to a young woman, you know, it's like, I don't know. 51:39.459 --> 51:40.500 [SPEAKER_05]: This is a bullshit. 51:40.540 --> 51:45.761 [SPEAKER_05]: He was saying things to her, like, that just mean us really had nothing to do with this job. 51:45.781 --> 51:46.881 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it was like, guy there. 51:47.021 --> 51:49.202 [SPEAKER_05]: Guys building a restaurant in here all this time to bullshit. 51:49.942 --> 51:54.487 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we ended up doing it when the guy went, you know, totally, you know, we did it. 51:54.527 --> 51:55.187 [SPEAKER_05]: We did one. 51:55.248 --> 51:56.128 [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't give it to him. 51:56.148 --> 51:57.209 [SPEAKER_05]: I said, we sent him a picture. 51:57.670 --> 52:11.244 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we didn't hear from him again, and she was, you know, felt very badly, but I was just like, no, it's good experience, because you got to be able to kind of recognize some of these things, and some of the things that people say, and you have to be able to kind of also gauge whether or not this is worth it, your time or not. 52:11.884 --> 52:13.165 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, some more to keep your cool. 52:13.685 --> 52:15.546 [SPEAKER_03]: Keep your cool because it's easy to get excited. 52:15.646 --> 52:19.168 [SPEAKER_03]: You think, oh, this could be huge, you know, and yeah, yeah, and then keep your cool. 52:19.368 --> 52:24.070 [SPEAKER_05]: And then we ended up getting a guy who wanted to make steak dives and then I said the same thing. 52:24.110 --> 52:25.691 [SPEAKER_05]: I said this guy's, you know, you wanted us to 52:32.915 --> 52:40.923 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was just like, Blasay about it, but at the same time, I didn't want to turn down the opportunity and, you know, Tony, I said to Tony, I said, I don't think this is a serious one. 52:40.943 --> 52:45.647 [SPEAKER_05]: I think I said it my expression was I think this is an unserious person, Tony didn't like that at all. 52:46.108 --> 52:47.849 [SPEAKER_05]: And, and I changed my tune. 52:47.869 --> 52:49.071 [SPEAKER_05]: I said, all right, we'll give him a chance. 52:49.111 --> 52:49.691 [SPEAKER_05]: He came up here. 52:49.711 --> 52:49.972 [SPEAKER_05]: We did it. 52:50.592 --> 52:56.277 [SPEAKER_05]: We, Tony ended up giving it, making him like a contract in regards to us designing knives for him. 52:56.317 --> 53:08.327 [SPEAKER_05]: We designed some knives for him and he never, I mean, we got paid, you know, it was good money was worth it, but at the same time they never did anything with him, but it was like you definitely never know. 53:08.647 --> 53:10.429 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, there was the first time we'd ever gotten 53:11.049 --> 53:15.453 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, paid to design something for someone and we, you know, it was a, it was good. 53:15.473 --> 53:16.594 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it was great. 53:16.634 --> 53:22.799 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it was really like if we got one of them or two of them a year, I'd be pretty psyched, but you just never know. 53:22.859 --> 53:24.720 [SPEAKER_05]: And, but it is also part of the game. 53:24.740 --> 53:39.753 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I think that we're in this weird little niche niche where we don't have the experience of being involved with people who are time-wasters and or you don't realize that some people are used to having free drawings done. 53:40.433 --> 53:43.156 [SPEAKER_05]: And they're going to look to see if they get a better price. 53:43.276 --> 53:45.799 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's just, you, that's comes with experience. 53:46.020 --> 53:47.041 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's better off you did it. 53:47.061 --> 53:48.923 [SPEAKER_05]: And then you're just like, you know about it. 53:48.983 --> 53:50.965 [SPEAKER_05]: And you know that these things can happen. 53:51.045 --> 53:53.208 [SPEAKER_05]: And you have to decide whether you're going to engage in them or not. 53:54.395 --> 54:14.290 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but this guy, this guy taking your drones to another make it and get to you saying I found so you could make them Jesus, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, 54:16.532 --> 54:26.663 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just joking, no, I was trying to make this very subtle awful stereotype that they all stand for much of us, but I apologize, profusely, Ronald's my guy. 54:26.683 --> 54:28.384 [SPEAKER_02]: You were going to say, Rick. 54:29.325 --> 54:35.650 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and so then how does somebody protect themselves and other than the experience and just trying to go off a gut feeling? 54:35.690 --> 54:40.453 [SPEAKER_02]: Like is there any way like they could potentially do some conceptual art for somebody? 54:40.813 --> 54:54.303 [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe there's a better question for Craig, but basically send it as kind of like a disappearing message where the person gets a certain period of time to view it or they can only view it from a certain website or through a certain email or something like that. 54:54.863 --> 55:13.720 [SPEAKER_02]: but somehow it's or it's a link from your Dropbox or some shit and you maintain control but within an error where people can just take a screenshot like how do you protect these kind of designs and keep them from saying you know what fuck this guy I'm gonna take this drawing somewhere else and have somebody else make it 55:14.695 --> 55:20.197 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, designs, I mean, even if you were to make them once the designs are there, it's out there. 55:20.237 --> 55:26.558 [SPEAKER_03]: But what I'd probably be looking at there is a way to be able to do these sketches or designs wherever they are quickly. 55:26.598 --> 55:28.039 [SPEAKER_03]: So you're not wasting that much time. 55:28.059 --> 55:28.879 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure. 55:28.899 --> 55:32.620 [SPEAKER_03]: So I had a system where I had, I had, I had 3D models. 55:33.480 --> 55:37.803 [SPEAKER_03]: three designs that were my sort of popular designs and a bunch of handles. 55:37.983 --> 55:42.466 [SPEAKER_03]: So I could swap these in and out and I could change colors quickly and I could just hide layers and things like that. 55:42.506 --> 56:01.259 [SPEAKER_03]: So within sort of 30 seconds I could mock up a design in the colors that they wanted and the designs that they wanted and send this high resolution 3D sort of picture to people and it was you know there was a bit of outlay to get it done but once it was done it was literally clicking a few buttons and I'm done and they were always really impressed because I think it well they've got you know he's done this for me and it 56:02.439 --> 56:11.384 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so I think maybe yeah, think of ways in which those prototyping sketches that you want to send people how they how you could spend less time doing then maybe. 56:11.824 --> 56:17.327 [SPEAKER_03]: I think so if it does go tits up yet you're not out hours and hours and hours and hours for sure. 56:17.347 --> 56:22.530 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's low impact on you so if they if they go see you then you don't give a shit. 56:23.130 --> 56:24.691 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like what exactly I spent exactly. 56:24.871 --> 56:27.193 [SPEAKER_02]: Even if you spent 20 minutes drawing something. 56:28.011 --> 56:36.194 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, it's not the whole process of going through making a knife and then having them go exactly. 56:36.334 --> 56:49.300 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but there's also something that we've talked about a million times whereas if you've created your own style and you know what you do and then someone comes to you with something totally outside of the norm of what you normally do. 56:50.260 --> 56:55.766 [SPEAKER_05]: It's very clear that they don't really, they're not really respecting what you do and they don't really know what you do. 56:55.826 --> 56:58.048 [SPEAKER_05]: And then you can come with a mindset, that's not what I do. 56:58.669 --> 57:00.330 [SPEAKER_05]: Why would you come to me with something like that? 57:00.971 --> 57:03.914 [SPEAKER_05]: And then just say, we don't really do stuff like that, this is what we do. 57:04.034 --> 57:08.939 [SPEAKER_05]: And then you have this ability to kind of weed out some tire kickers. 57:09.320 --> 57:11.081 [SPEAKER_05]: Because that's really what it comes down to. 57:11.101 --> 57:12.002 [SPEAKER_05]: It comes down to like, 57:12.903 --> 57:13.704 [SPEAKER_05]: What are we going to do? 57:13.764 --> 57:17.606 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, what happened to Ronald is not surprising? 57:17.786 --> 57:21.628 [SPEAKER_05]: It's unfortunate and it's the fact that some people are scum. 57:21.868 --> 57:22.848 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, they are scum. 57:23.429 --> 57:31.293 [SPEAKER_05]: They do this stuff and it's like, it is shocking but at the same time it's not surprising and it's a question of like, 57:31.533 --> 57:35.878 [SPEAKER_05]: We get messages every once in a while, and we'll say, hey, I got to run down of weird requests. 57:36.399 --> 57:37.500 [SPEAKER_05]: And it'll be a stiletto. 57:37.520 --> 57:39.142 [SPEAKER_05]: Can you make me a knife in this animation? 57:39.202 --> 57:41.365 [SPEAKER_05]: Or can you make me some nunchucks? 57:41.405 --> 57:42.887 [SPEAKER_05]: Or can you make me some brass knuckles? 57:43.347 --> 57:44.809 [SPEAKER_05]: All the stuff is like, we don't only do that. 57:45.290 --> 57:45.550 [SPEAKER_05]: You know? 57:45.810 --> 57:46.011 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 57:46.191 --> 57:47.793 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's like, yeah. 57:47.973 --> 57:48.554 [SPEAKER_05]: You know what we do? 57:48.574 --> 57:49.395 [SPEAKER_05]: You're looking at our website. 57:49.415 --> 57:50.096 [SPEAKER_05]: You see what we do? 57:51.157 --> 57:51.657 [SPEAKER_05]: What? 57:51.737 --> 57:52.057 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 57:52.097 --> 58:02.019 [SPEAKER_03]: And there may be parameters you can change, you know, such as, you know, one of your commonized Jeff, you know, maybe you could change the line of color or you could change it to have color or all that kind of, you know, those parameters you can change. 58:02.359 --> 58:14.142 [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, I certainly the way Jeff is working out, you've got your, you know, your certain models and those those are your models, you know, you can, you can, you can dress them up a little bit more, but yeah, the base level is, it's the same model isn't it? 58:15.086 --> 58:16.887 [SPEAKER_05]: I got a guy, yeah, exactly. 58:16.967 --> 58:24.472 [SPEAKER_05]: So like, I guess I got a message and so many had specific colors and I was able to do as close as I could do to their colors as I could do and they said great. 58:24.913 --> 58:35.800 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I got a call tomorrow with a guy who is in the restaurant game and he wants me to make this fork but it's very different than the way I make that our forks. 58:36.680 --> 58:40.462 [SPEAKER_05]: And he's very understanding and he paid for it and everything like that. 58:40.502 --> 58:44.604 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just going to have a conversation with him, and I'm just going to explain what I can do and what I can't do. 58:45.464 --> 58:53.088 [SPEAKER_05]: And you know, if he wants to send me his favorite fork from the restaurant days, I can do something close, but within the confines of what we 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01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:57.243 [SPEAKER_05]: He basically, to go to Knife Talk podcast Instagram, you send us a DM and then there's an opportunity to record your message and then we'll play it and if you keep it under a minute, we'll play it. 01:00:58.544 --> 01:00:59.364 [SPEAKER_05]: Here is Ty. 01:01:01.065 --> 01:01:02.225 [SPEAKER_04]: Hey guys, this is Ty. 01:01:02.825 --> 01:01:16.351 [SPEAKER_04]: And I heard Jeff on Knife, for Uncle Blast, said something like about not really having the lust for knives or, you know, just like into knives, but 01:01:17.325 --> 01:01:33.022 [SPEAKER_04]: you know, not like the fever, and it had me thinking that, you know, I think a lot of times that issues with people taking something that they loved or hobbies into business is a problem because they kind of can't see the business. 01:01:33.562 --> 01:01:56.043 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's personally my, you know, it's like, that's how artists become underpaid because I think they're, you know, paid themselves for the time or contraryly maybe they think they are, they're whatever they do is worth more than maybe it is on the market and that's sort of like not something to think about and kind of my hot take don't do what you love 01:01:58.140 --> 01:01:58.340 [SPEAKER_05]: All right. 01:01:58.981 --> 01:02:00.802 [SPEAKER_05]: So I need to, I guess I should qualify. 01:02:00.862 --> 01:02:02.103 [SPEAKER_05]: Ty is my guy, by the way. 01:02:02.143 --> 01:02:04.965 [SPEAKER_05]: He's still got an open invite. 01:02:04.985 --> 01:02:06.146 [SPEAKER_05]: He's in Washington, I'd see. 01:02:06.706 --> 01:02:08.807 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm very blase about everything. 01:02:09.248 --> 01:02:13.391 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think I probably said something along the lines of when I'm not in the shop. 01:02:13.451 --> 01:02:15.012 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not talking about knives all the time. 01:02:15.832 --> 01:02:21.817 [SPEAKER_05]: And, or, like, if I'm hanging out with my friends, we're not talking about knife, knife, geometry, or knife. 01:02:21.837 --> 01:02:22.938 [SPEAKER_05]: We're not talking about any of that. 01:02:22.998 --> 01:02:24.840 [SPEAKER_05]: This isn't interest me that much. 01:02:25.340 --> 01:02:27.822 [SPEAKER_05]: But it doesn't mean I'm not passionate about what I do. 01:02:28.623 --> 01:02:35.509 [SPEAKER_05]: Since I've been started to fade or knives, this is the happiest and calmest and most fulfilled I've ever been in my life. 01:02:36.229 --> 01:02:47.535 [SPEAKER_05]: So just putting that out there that I that I'm not this is not like I don't I never I never wake up and dread coming to the shop I'm always Fucking Monday through Sunday. 01:02:47.675 --> 01:02:57.461 [SPEAKER_05]: I am psyched to come into the shop and it's always exciting and I just put that out there Shit with respect Okay 01:02:59.390 --> 01:03:01.532 [SPEAKER_05]: You want to talk about that or the idea? 01:03:01.552 --> 01:03:02.954 [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, I thought you just started with that. 01:03:03.034 --> 01:03:03.974 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no. 01:03:03.994 --> 01:03:04.975 [SPEAKER_05]: I just want to point that out. 01:03:04.995 --> 01:03:09.119 [SPEAKER_05]: Because I said to him, I'm not going to kick your ass, but I'm going to defend myself without being defensive. 01:03:09.319 --> 01:03:09.660 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. 01:03:10.180 --> 01:03:12.222 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it's a good point to make that. 01:03:14.398 --> 01:03:23.401 [SPEAKER_03]: You can certainly undervalue yourself if you think this is, you know, let's say you start, this is a hobby because you love making knives and knives the thing and then you start charging people and then that. 01:03:23.661 --> 01:03:28.923 [SPEAKER_03]: And you can maybe start to feel this sort of guilt because I love doing this, try to be a child, you know, it's one of those things. 01:03:30.183 --> 01:03:36.085 [SPEAKER_03]: But I honestly think that that's gotta be better than doing something you fucking hate, right? 01:03:36.525 --> 01:03:38.726 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, gotta be better than doing something you hate. 01:03:39.326 --> 01:03:41.867 [SPEAKER_03]: But saying that you don't have to be, you know, 01:03:43.237 --> 01:03:53.080 [SPEAKER_03]: fucking knives or everything, you know, you don't have to go to every show, you know, you know, watching reruns forged in fire every night, you know, in front of dinner, you know, you know, you don't, you, it doesn't have to be a whole life. 01:03:53.100 --> 01:04:03.422 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'd say, if we think of this as an artistic pursuit, the more other things you can do, the better knife-making, you will be anyway, because you just take an inspiration from other places. 01:04:04.543 --> 01:04:04.863 [SPEAKER_03]: I think, 01:04:06.043 --> 01:04:11.128 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, do what you love, but don't let it overtake your life, so we say. 01:04:11.168 --> 01:04:19.255 [SPEAKER_05]: People are afraid that there's a people who are afraid that they're going to try to monetize their favorite thing and then they're going to learn to hate it. 01:04:20.115 --> 01:04:20.535 [SPEAKER_05]: happens. 01:04:20.575 --> 01:04:21.556 [SPEAKER_05]: What do you think, Raccoon? 01:04:21.576 --> 01:04:21.676 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:04:21.696 --> 01:04:21.796 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:04:21.816 --> 01:04:21.956 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:04:21.976 --> 01:04:22.076 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:04:22.096 --> 01:04:22.236 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:04:23.136 --> 01:04:23.256 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:04:23.276 --> 01:04:24.077 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's tricky. 01:04:24.377 --> 01:04:29.719 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I come from it from a from a user and perspective. 01:04:29.739 --> 01:04:36.102 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I've always thought knives were fine, like cool or whatever, but I never collected knives. 01:04:36.922 --> 01:04:54.788 [SPEAKER_02]: really obsessed over knives in any way, but as a user of knives, especially working in restaurants, like I certainly appreciated a good knife, which I unfortunately did not get to use a lot of, except for from time to time when I worked in restaurants. 01:04:56.248 --> 01:05:04.854 [SPEAKER_02]: When it came to making the knives, I also didn't pursue, so I guess I didn't come into knife making, being like knives or my everything. 01:05:05.955 --> 01:05:08.036 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a maker of stuff. 01:05:08.416 --> 01:05:13.300 [SPEAKER_02]: I've always made stuff and being creative in that way. 01:05:14.621 --> 01:05:19.164 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think for me, knife making was another one of those endeavors. 01:05:19.464 --> 01:05:23.166 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's actually, I love it because 01:05:24.308 --> 01:05:27.599 [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like it's an almost bottom list. 01:05:28.792 --> 01:05:40.259 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not pit, but it's terrible, it's unlimited resource for problem solving, creative problem solving. 01:05:40.299 --> 01:05:44.581 [SPEAKER_02]: There's always something to learn, which is something I really love about it. 01:05:45.202 --> 01:05:57.489 [SPEAKER_02]: There's always a new challenge, and there's so many different varieties and styles and knives that it would be incredibly challenging to learn if not basically impossible to learn all different styles well. 01:05:58.809 --> 01:06:01.471 [SPEAKER_02]: But there's always something to learn and take away. 01:06:01.691 --> 01:06:15.877 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think, but being a creative person and artistic person, the, I guess the platform of the, or the canvas of the knife is created in opportunity for me to, 01:06:16.937 --> 01:06:24.284 [SPEAKER_02]: not only create a really high quality tool, but also to embellish that tool in an interesting and creative way for myself. 01:06:25.264 --> 01:06:27.907 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what really helps keep me engaged. 01:06:28.187 --> 01:06:40.418 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think also coming to knife making, especially chef's knives from the background of using them, really helps to inform my opinion on what makes it work well. 01:06:41.758 --> 01:06:56.863 [SPEAKER_02]: I definitely don't consider myself to end up be all for understanding how to use a knife, but I'm pretty proficient with a knife, a culinary knife that is, and yeah, and I think that really does make a difference in how... 01:06:57.663 --> 01:07:00.045 [SPEAKER_02]: how that knife ultimately performs as a tool. 01:07:00.946 --> 01:07:05.331 [SPEAKER_05]: But I think he was saying it's like if you find something you love, is it a joke? 01:07:05.431 --> 01:07:07.352 [SPEAKER_05]: Is it a mistake to make that your business? 01:07:07.793 --> 01:07:09.675 [SPEAKER_05]: Because you're afraid you're going to lose the love for it. 01:07:09.975 --> 01:07:16.782 [SPEAKER_05]: He was basically saying he was coming to the point that because I say I don't talk about knives all the time, I'm not completely crazy about it. 01:07:17.162 --> 01:07:19.985 [SPEAKER_05]: Does that mean that I'm not really, this isn't for me. 01:07:20.825 --> 01:07:33.654 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the trick is not getting into business if you're not a business minded person, and I think that's the trickier thing for people to figure out for themselves because I am not necessary. 01:07:33.774 --> 01:07:44.782 [SPEAKER_02]: I have tons of ideas, but I'm not being the executioner of those ideas and turning them into a business as a whole other set of skills. 01:07:45.762 --> 01:07:48.784 [SPEAKER_02]: And I really struggle with it quite a lot, honestly. 01:07:49.244 --> 01:07:56.950 [SPEAKER_02]: And I've continuously and still continue to figure out how to make this work, because I am not a business minded person. 01:07:57.030 --> 01:08:02.794 [SPEAKER_02]: If I could work for a company and just like put out all these fucking, like, 01:08:03.694 --> 01:08:23.439 [SPEAKER_02]: you know great ideas and get them put in the place and and make all these cool design knife designs whether they're cool in area otherwise and steel designs and scope and like different handle styles like I would love to do that but that I I say I'm always I'm a better number two than in number one. 01:08:23.679 --> 01:08:29.280 [SPEAKER_02]: It makes me sound like I'm saying one pile of shit but anyway I was a awesome number two guy 01:08:33.041 --> 01:08:35.722 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I'm a very good number two guy. 01:08:35.842 --> 01:08:37.603 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not the greatest number one guy. 01:08:38.684 --> 01:08:51.290 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's been tricky trying to find that balance because I am in the position to be running my own business at least right now And so and whether and I'm gonna do that forever is a different question honestly, and I've really seriously had to take it into consideration 01:08:52.470 --> 01:09:02.741 [SPEAKER_02]: Over the years especially with everything happening in my personal life like what do things look like for me going forward You know, I can't I continue to produce 01:09:03.838 --> 01:09:04.338 [SPEAKER_02]: knives. 01:09:05.378 --> 01:09:05.818 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't do it. 01:09:06.018 --> 01:09:25.822 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't produce knives at an incredible rate, but thinking about the physicality aspect of the knife-making process, the way I make knives, I do have to take that in consideration, and how many more years do I have of standing in front of a grinder and grinding blades and sculpting handles and doing all that shit? 01:09:26.442 --> 01:09:28.003 [SPEAKER_02]: Or do I, doesn't make sense 01:09:31.094 --> 01:09:34.975 [SPEAKER_02]: aspect of the of the process or even do it at all anymore. 01:09:35.075 --> 01:09:35.415 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 01:09:37.775 --> 01:09:38.316 [SPEAKER_05]: Look at you. 01:09:39.016 --> 01:09:39.536 [SPEAKER_05]: Look at you. 01:09:41.976 --> 01:09:42.657 [SPEAKER_03]: I tell you what. 01:09:43.697 --> 01:09:46.757 [SPEAKER_03]: If anybody out there is making knives, you can need a kill or an oven. 01:09:47.498 --> 01:09:48.798 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how I managed to tell you. 01:09:48.818 --> 01:09:49.818 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you didn't manage to tell you. 01:09:49.838 --> 01:09:50.898 [SPEAKER_03]: But you're better than that, really. 01:09:50.918 --> 01:09:51.979 [SPEAKER_03]: Just in just quite a joke. 01:09:51.999 --> 01:09:52.639 [SPEAKER_03]: Quite a joke. 01:09:55.460 --> 01:09:56.721 [SPEAKER_03]: You're going to need a good one, aren't you? 01:09:56.881 --> 01:09:58.082 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know where you should go for that? 01:09:58.302 --> 01:10:02.265 [SPEAKER_03]: Evenheetheifencill.com evenheet make the best. 01:10:02.445 --> 01:10:03.145 [SPEAKER_03]: We all use them. 01:10:03.245 --> 01:10:05.066 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure most of our listeners are by now. 01:10:05.347 --> 01:10:07.608 [SPEAKER_03]: And if they're not, it's on their list. 01:10:07.828 --> 01:10:08.709 [SPEAKER_03]: They're great. 01:10:08.789 --> 01:10:12.011 [SPEAKER_03]: They've got machines of different sizes, different voltages, wherever you are in the world. 01:10:12.692 --> 01:10:14.613 [SPEAKER_03]: Family run business, all great dudes. 01:10:14.873 --> 01:10:16.774 [SPEAKER_03]: Evenheetheifencill.com. 01:10:16.914 --> 01:10:17.455 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll take a look. 01:10:17.935 --> 01:10:29.503 [SPEAKER_05]: Just a circle back one more time only because it's interesting that the conversation and it basically, you know, focusing on the way I am, my father was a world-class One Maker. 01:10:29.703 --> 01:10:34.126 [SPEAKER_05]: He was like, he was, we're now in New York State as a world-class One Maker. 01:10:34.166 --> 01:10:39.050 [SPEAKER_05]: He, people in France, he pioneered wine in the Northeast. 01:10:39.170 --> 01:10:39.951 [SPEAKER_05]: He was well known. 01:10:40.771 --> 01:10:47.314 [SPEAKER_05]: He was also very blase too, and, you know, when he wasn't in the vineyard, he didn't drink wine. 01:10:47.334 --> 01:10:48.714 [SPEAKER_05]: He drank a glass of doers. 01:10:48.734 --> 01:10:49.875 [SPEAKER_05]: He had a scotch at night. 01:10:50.235 --> 01:10:52.396 [SPEAKER_05]: He didn't want to hang out with other wine makers. 01:10:52.416 --> 01:10:53.596 [SPEAKER_05]: He didn't want to talk about wine. 01:10:53.616 --> 01:10:54.457 [SPEAKER_05]: He couldn't give a shit. 01:10:54.477 --> 01:10:55.597 [SPEAKER_05]: He loved wine, making. 01:10:55.617 --> 01:10:56.798 [SPEAKER_05]: He loved everything about it. 01:10:57.318 --> 01:10:58.358 [SPEAKER_05]: He was diligent. 01:10:58.598 --> 01:10:59.379 [SPEAKER_05]: He worked hard. 01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:04.801 [SPEAKER_05]: But at the same time, he just, he didn't feel the need to just, like, you know, opine about it all the time. 01:11:05.341 --> 01:11:07.604 [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm really cut from the same cloth. 01:11:07.624 --> 01:11:09.567 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm very, you know, along the same lines. 01:11:09.587 --> 01:11:10.749 [SPEAKER_05]: They're just like, it's fine. 01:11:11.350 --> 01:11:14.154 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I don't need to talk about it all the time. 01:11:14.294 --> 01:11:21.124 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's when I talk on these podcasts, I try to be as honest as I could be, and part of it is just being, if I'm going to be Blazanne, or Blazanne. 01:11:21.885 --> 01:11:29.011 [SPEAKER_05]: One of my favorite guests on full blast is Ben Comeon, and it's the reason why it's one of the great knife makers in the world. 01:11:29.412 --> 01:11:31.674 [SPEAKER_05]: And when he comes on, he don't want to talk about knives. 01:11:31.694 --> 01:11:32.554 [SPEAKER_05]: He wants to fuck around. 01:11:32.895 --> 01:11:33.996 [SPEAKER_05]: And that is to me. 01:11:34.136 --> 01:11:35.036 [SPEAKER_05]: I feel the same way. 01:11:35.056 --> 01:11:36.157 [SPEAKER_05]: He's want to fuck around. 01:11:36.217 --> 01:11:36.378 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 01:11:37.598 --> 01:11:42.240 [SPEAKER_03]: I think a lot of our listeners, if they're just getting into it, it is everything to them. 01:11:42.380 --> 01:11:49.843 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it certainly was for me when I first started making knives, you know, because it's a new avenue to explore and you could learn all these things and you're like a sponge. 01:11:50.823 --> 01:11:57.146 [SPEAKER_03]: But I think after a while, you realize that, you know, not much is changing in the nice making world, you know? 01:11:57.626 --> 01:12:02.668 [SPEAKER_03]: There's always stuff to learn, but it's not like one of these things where you need to be on it all the time, because, you know, 01:12:03.408 --> 01:12:07.070 [SPEAKER_03]: If you're not checking out the latest knife blog, you're going to miss out on something. 01:12:07.090 --> 01:12:08.250 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like that at all, you know? 01:12:09.251 --> 01:12:12.432 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think, yeah, it'd be a rounded person. 01:12:12.472 --> 01:12:13.793 [SPEAKER_03]: You'd be better off for it, sure. 01:12:13.833 --> 01:12:15.514 [SPEAKER_05]: In my closest friends are not knife makers. 01:12:15.574 --> 01:12:20.516 [SPEAKER_05]: My closest, if I had to like my short list of closest friends are not none of them. 01:12:20.797 --> 01:12:21.797 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, well, thank you. 01:12:21.877 --> 01:12:22.297 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm right. 01:12:22.377 --> 01:12:23.898 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm talking to my guys. 01:12:23.958 --> 01:12:25.319 [SPEAKER_05]: I've known since I was a child. 01:12:25.799 --> 01:12:52.561 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I'm talking about guys I had no one since I was a child crank, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 01:12:54.307 --> 01:12:57.088 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, kind of stuff that they do for jobs, you know, oh, they're a friend. 01:12:57.128 --> 01:13:01.189 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, Frank, one's a finance guy. 01:13:01.489 --> 01:13:02.889 [SPEAKER_05]: One's a district attorney. 01:13:03.430 --> 01:13:05.470 [SPEAKER_05]: What's the worst of the justice department? 01:13:05.850 --> 01:13:07.991 [SPEAKER_05]: Another guy works for a pharmaceutical company. 01:13:08.291 --> 01:13:09.871 [SPEAKER_05]: These are like guys, they don't need to turn. 01:13:09.891 --> 01:13:11.052 [SPEAKER_05]: They only need to turn screens. 01:13:11.072 --> 01:13:11.952 [SPEAKER_03]: They don't need to turn lights. 01:13:12.192 --> 01:13:13.092 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's a lid there. 01:13:13.112 --> 01:13:14.113 [SPEAKER_03]: Who's the dead team? 01:13:14.413 --> 01:13:38.844 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm like talking about these guys could turn the lights which they pay for people to turn the lights switch Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 01:13:40.528 --> 01:13:41.208 [SPEAKER_05]: What's dust? 01:13:41.769 --> 01:13:42.990 [SPEAKER_05]: Dirt, that's dirt for you. 01:13:45.431 --> 01:13:47.172 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, what else do we got there? 01:13:47.232 --> 01:13:47.973 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry. 01:13:48.053 --> 01:13:52.616 [SPEAKER_05]: We have another, we have our man's speedster stoves to set this in a hot take. 01:13:52.636 --> 01:13:53.997 [SPEAKER_05]: We get a couple of hot takes in there. 01:13:54.017 --> 01:13:54.837 [SPEAKER_05]: I like the hot takes. 01:13:56.058 --> 01:13:58.940 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, this one, speedster stoves this hilarious. 01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:03.783 [SPEAKER_05]: This is, I wish, the only thing I wish is that he had recorded it, but this is because his voice is so funny. 01:14:04.343 --> 01:14:06.025 [SPEAKER_05]: Speeds yourself says, here's a hot take. 01:14:06.505 --> 01:14:10.208 [SPEAKER_05]: Pulled meat has to be one of the most overrated textures in food. 01:14:12.550 --> 01:14:21.959 [SPEAKER_05]: Everyone calls everyone talks about how Quote Tender it is, but most of the time it feels like a meeting a pile of damp strings presenting pretending to be a meal. 01:14:22.639 --> 01:14:30.845 [SPEAKER_05]: Instead of getting a proper bite, you're chewing through a soggy tangle that somehow manages to be both mushy and fibers at the same time. 01:14:31.386 --> 01:14:42.754 [SPEAKER_05]: Promines of the mobs, the cleaners we used to use at school, give me a properly cooked slice of meat with actual structure over a mound of meat flavored wool yarn any day. 01:14:43.075 --> 01:14:47.058 [SPEAKER_05]: For fuck's sake, we make knives slice that meat. 01:14:47.898 --> 01:14:49.699 [SPEAKER_05]: I give a, that's a golf clap. 01:14:49.739 --> 01:14:50.519 [SPEAKER_05]: Hard to agree. 01:14:50.559 --> 01:14:51.539 [SPEAKER_05]: Completely agree. 01:14:51.579 --> 01:14:52.439 [SPEAKER_05]: He's not lost. 01:14:52.459 --> 01:14:52.719 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 01:14:53.039 --> 01:14:54.100 [SPEAKER_03]: He is not lost. 01:14:54.160 --> 01:15:02.282 [SPEAKER_03]: Unless it's like a brisket, which is slow-cooked, and that's like naturally that way, not sticking bloody forks in shredding, like dried pork. 01:15:02.322 --> 01:15:03.522 [SPEAKER_03]: That's just, that's no good. 01:15:04.022 --> 01:15:10.064 [SPEAKER_05]: I gotta say, I think that this is a very, very true good heartache. 01:15:11.084 --> 01:15:11.684 [SPEAKER_05]: A great take. 01:15:11.884 --> 01:15:13.004 [SPEAKER_05]: Great. 01:15:13.205 --> 01:15:13.885 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's like, 01:15:15.308 --> 01:15:42.005 [SPEAKER_05]: It's fine, it's like, it's like normally dry and it's the source that's like making it sort of moist, but it's, yeah, it's Have you ever seen somebody make a cake pop, you know what cake pop is no, it's like a little chicken thigh No, no, no, what, no, it's like a cake pop, no, it's like a cake pop, a cake pop is like, yeah, it's like a cake on a cake Lally pop, but it's a cake 01:15:42.725 --> 01:15:44.267 [SPEAKER_05]: I remember watching Starbucks. 01:15:44.727 --> 01:15:44.987 [SPEAKER_05]: Right. 01:15:45.328 --> 01:15:46.569 [SPEAKER_05]: My daughter was very young. 01:15:46.709 --> 01:15:48.090 [SPEAKER_05]: She had a childhood friend. 01:15:48.591 --> 01:15:50.873 [SPEAKER_05]: They went over their house and the mom made cake pops. 01:15:51.473 --> 01:15:53.855 [SPEAKER_05]: And she took this a perfectly good cake. 01:15:55.537 --> 01:15:57.178 [SPEAKER_05]: And she mushed up with her hands. 01:15:57.619 --> 01:16:00.722 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, and threw some frosting in and mushed it up some more. 01:16:00.742 --> 01:16:02.703 [SPEAKER_05]: And basically made these little snowballs. 01:16:03.424 --> 01:16:09.854 [SPEAKER_05]: and then stuck up fucking, you know, a lollipop sticking it, and she's like, look, I've made a big cake pops. 01:16:10.214 --> 01:16:12.037 [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm like, that's disgusting. 01:16:12.057 --> 01:16:13.259 [SPEAKER_05]: What the hell happened to the cake? 01:16:13.619 --> 01:16:16.223 [SPEAKER_05]: But that is, that is 100% disgusting. 01:16:16.243 --> 01:16:17.865 [SPEAKER_05]: And all I can think of in my mind is, 01:16:18.366 --> 01:16:36.520 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just going to taste like a fucking hands like I don't touch you too much and when I see you know how cakes are made before that process, though, yeah Yeah, the cake was perfectly wide Didn't she mush it in like this disgusting little snowball that she mushed with her disgusting hands And I'm just like what happened to cake? 01:16:37.020 --> 01:16:39.903 [SPEAKER_05]: I feel the same way about those pulled pork and all that stuff 01:16:40.603 --> 01:16:50.146 [SPEAKER_05]: it's like you see these guys with their hands and they're like in their like rubber gloves and they're making the like claw hands and they're just pulling it apart and I'm just like what are you doing? 01:16:50.306 --> 01:16:50.707 [SPEAKER_05]: What's wrong? 01:16:50.727 --> 01:16:51.167 [SPEAKER_05]: What happened? 01:16:51.187 --> 01:16:51.607 [SPEAKER_05]: What happened? 01:16:51.627 --> 01:16:52.567 [SPEAKER_05]: What happened with it before? 01:16:52.747 --> 01:16:54.808 [SPEAKER_05]: I think he's I think Gary's on something. 01:16:55.588 --> 01:16:57.629 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes completely right completely right. 01:16:57.889 --> 01:16:58.109 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:16:58.349 --> 01:16:58.649 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:16:58.709 --> 01:16:59.870 [SPEAKER_05]: When is it acceptable? 01:17:00.733 --> 01:17:01.153 [SPEAKER_05]: Tacos? 01:17:01.853 --> 01:17:04.734 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, acceptable is, I mean, everything's acceptable. 01:17:04.754 --> 01:17:06.314 [SPEAKER_05]: It's just a question you like it or not. 01:17:07.895 --> 01:17:08.675 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, yeah. 01:17:08.695 --> 01:17:09.535 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, yeah. 01:17:09.675 --> 01:17:11.976 [SPEAKER_05]: I think that your tacos, I guess. 01:17:11.996 --> 01:17:17.177 [SPEAKER_05]: But I mean, like, you're never getting horned up for like a pole pork sandwich. 01:17:17.757 --> 01:17:21.618 [SPEAKER_05]: I know, in my mind, I'm thinking exactly what Gary is saying. 01:17:21.998 --> 01:17:24.479 [SPEAKER_05]: It's going to be a slopp of damp. 01:17:24.979 --> 01:17:27.139 [SPEAKER_05]: This fucking fucking grain. 01:17:27.299 --> 01:17:28.479 [SPEAKER_05]: It's up strings. 01:17:31.140 --> 01:17:34.081 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think they have a tendency to be overrated for sure as well. 01:17:34.802 --> 01:17:48.087 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's never consistent and often, if they're charging like $16 for a dry shredded pork sandwich covered in coleslaw and barbecue sauce, and that is frustrating. 01:17:48.907 --> 01:17:54.489 [SPEAKER_05]: But it's like I can see for like a group of people you can probably throw some filler in there and understand it But like he's right. 01:17:54.730 --> 01:17:55.410 [SPEAKER_05]: That's a guess it. 01:17:55.710 --> 01:18:00.532 [SPEAKER_05]: That's a proper hot take and well said I wish he'd just read it though if I'm being honest. 01:18:01.432 --> 01:18:02.153 [SPEAKER_05]: What's his accent? 01:18:03.140 --> 01:18:03.540 [SPEAKER_05]: He's got it. 01:18:03.560 --> 01:18:07.023 [SPEAKER_05]: He's a jordy of, that's what Craig says. 01:18:07.043 --> 01:18:07.904 [SPEAKER_05]: Is he? 01:18:07.944 --> 01:18:08.504 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, he is. 01:18:08.544 --> 01:18:09.105 [SPEAKER_03]: He's a jordy. 01:18:09.125 --> 01:18:10.165 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yeah, he's a jordy. 01:18:10.566 --> 01:18:12.968 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he's going to know a thief, at least we say we could offend him. 01:18:12.988 --> 01:18:16.971 [SPEAKER_03]: But, yeah, it could be a mock-up. 01:18:17.051 --> 01:18:21.334 [SPEAKER_05]: We have an audio message from our man, Brigham Kindel, we leveled Bingo. 01:18:21.795 --> 01:18:25.678 [SPEAKER_05]: He's got a response to EDC Gear House a couple of weeks ago. 01:18:26.138 --> 01:18:27.299 [SPEAKER_05]: We were talking about it before. 01:18:27.699 --> 01:18:32.543 [SPEAKER_05]: I think, Rebecca, you brought it up in the beginning of the show, where he was talking about how EDC Gear House was looking into. 01:18:34.084 --> 01:18:38.407 [SPEAKER_05]: getting away from their sharpener, they're modifying their knives, right? 01:18:38.708 --> 01:18:39.989 [SPEAKER_05]: So Bingo has this to say. 01:18:46.438 --> 01:18:51.882 [SPEAKER_01]: Just work it into your production schedule, like your extra stuff, the sharpening and the customs. 01:18:52.682 --> 01:18:56.224 [SPEAKER_01]: Just set a time every day where you guys can focus on it. 01:18:56.505 --> 01:19:04.770 [SPEAKER_01]: And if it's like 30 minutes or 45 minutes, whatever would be feasible and can make you money, then you just do that. 01:19:05.611 --> 01:19:10.934 [SPEAKER_01]: And if that pushes things out further, or you just charge more for those things. 01:19:11.655 --> 01:19:13.956 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you wanna do it, do it. 01:19:15.773 --> 01:19:18.519 [SPEAKER_01]: just working into the schedule, have a production schedule. 01:19:19.801 --> 01:19:21.204 [SPEAKER_05]: Last anyone forget. 01:19:22.182 --> 01:19:50.406 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm scared to scare you, I'm scared to scare you, I'm scared to scare you, I'm scared to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you, I'm afraid to scare you 01:19:51.052 --> 01:19:58.374 [SPEAKER_05]: So, less than anyone forget, Bingo, he is the master because he's figured out how to really optimize everything. 01:19:59.254 --> 01:20:01.115 [SPEAKER_05]: It's time to send him off taken calls. 01:20:01.415 --> 01:20:02.415 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's got it all to go ahead. 01:20:02.435 --> 01:20:06.516 [SPEAKER_05]: Charging is boss for a knife that he built on the boss's dime. 01:20:06.876 --> 01:20:07.537 [SPEAKER_05]: Can you imagine? 01:20:08.637 --> 01:20:11.718 [SPEAKER_05]: I bet he brings all his hand tools and charges them up under the back of his mouth. 01:20:11.758 --> 01:20:12.618 [SPEAKER_05]: That's what he's found. 01:20:13.258 --> 01:20:14.699 [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you gotta be kidding me. 01:20:14.839 --> 01:20:15.959 [SPEAKER_05]: He bingo's the man though. 01:20:16.339 --> 01:20:17.079 [SPEAKER_05]: There's no question. 01:20:18.840 --> 01:20:19.200 [SPEAKER_03]: Brilliant. 01:20:20.161 --> 01:20:20.761 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, okay. 01:20:20.881 --> 01:20:21.362 [SPEAKER_05]: What we got. 01:20:21.382 --> 01:20:23.504 [SPEAKER_05]: We have Paul Jansson GSL. 01:20:23.524 --> 01:20:41.040 [SPEAKER_05]: That's Goldstar listener has said we were talking last week about Caffeine and I was talking we were talking we had a long conversation about monster energy drinks all that stuff And I was referring to monsters as the time machine because when you drink one all of a sudden time speeds up and you're you're seeing them figure that 01:20:41.623 --> 01:20:47.070 [SPEAKER_05]: Paul Janson GSL says caffeine, time machine sounds like an energy drink, I would enjoy. 01:20:48.152 --> 01:20:51.477 [SPEAKER_05]: Hearing how caffeine affects people is always interesting to me. 01:20:51.917 --> 01:20:57.224 [SPEAKER_05]: For years I thought I must be immune to caffeine because it may be very sleepy and never hyped up. 01:20:57.805 --> 01:21:07.152 [SPEAKER_05]: Turns out I was walking around with undiagnosed ADHD, apparently stimulants commonly have the opposite effect on people with ADHD. 01:21:07.712 --> 01:21:12.816 [SPEAKER_05]: So enjoy your energy drinks, but if you do get sleep after drinking when you may want to get yourself checked out. 01:21:12.976 --> 01:21:15.959 [SPEAKER_02]: So, yep, that happens to me. 01:21:15.979 --> 01:21:17.780 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've said many people say not, yeah. 01:21:17.800 --> 01:21:18.060 [SPEAKER_02]: Really? 01:21:18.721 --> 01:21:20.942 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can drink a coffee and go away to sleep. 01:21:24.485 --> 01:21:25.826 [SPEAKER_05]: I remember one of our listeners, 01:21:29.015 --> 01:21:36.860 [SPEAKER_05]: Hyde, Henry Hyde sent me a bag of coffee from Baltimore, special Baltimore Coffee. 01:21:37.561 --> 01:21:43.445 [SPEAKER_05]: It was a light roast and I did not realize that light roasts are a fucking jet fuel. 01:21:44.566 --> 01:21:47.648 [SPEAKER_05]: My wife wasn't around, I think she was away and I was like, yeah, I'll make this coffee. 01:21:47.848 --> 01:21:51.951 [SPEAKER_05]: I made this coffee, I was like, I had to be like, putting a straight jacket. 01:21:52.591 --> 01:21:59.722 [SPEAKER_05]: I was so crazed after this guy didn't coffee and I think you were like I said oh yeah like coffee's it's the one with the more caffeine. 01:22:00.483 --> 01:22:05.009 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think I even slept that whole night from just that cup of like light was coffee. 01:22:05.570 --> 01:22:06.612 [SPEAKER_05]: So I got it. 01:22:07.132 --> 01:22:08.855 [SPEAKER_02]: After 11 I can't have anything. 01:22:10.342 --> 01:22:18.706 [SPEAKER_05]: After 11 a.m., I have a cup of coffee around 5.15 and then whatever's left after my wife leaves for work. 01:22:18.767 --> 01:22:25.110 [SPEAKER_05]: I just, you know, reheat, put in a, in a cool, in a tumbler and bring it to work and just drink it until lunch. 01:22:25.130 --> 01:22:27.811 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, if it's not done by lunch, it's, I throw it out. 01:22:29.012 --> 01:22:29.212 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:22:30.173 --> 01:22:30.393 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:22:30.533 --> 01:22:34.175 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm, I'm like a two or three o'clock cut off as the latest. 01:22:34.335 --> 01:22:36.516 [SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise, I'll be up until three o'clock in the morning. 01:22:39.144 --> 01:22:39.364 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:22:39.885 --> 01:22:44.531 [SPEAKER_03]: Just just one for me about 9 a.m. just the one and um... One what? 01:22:44.911 --> 01:22:45.432 [SPEAKER_03]: Any more or not? 01:22:46.073 --> 01:22:46.573 [SPEAKER_03]: One coffee. 01:22:47.094 --> 01:22:49.077 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I wasn't sure if it's espresso. 01:22:49.497 --> 01:22:49.958 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, really? 01:22:51.276 --> 01:22:52.538 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, terrible, terrible. 01:22:52.578 --> 01:22:53.038 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. 01:22:53.499 --> 01:22:58.605 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm at that point with caffeine, where if I don't have one a day, I get headaches. 01:22:58.805 --> 01:23:00.808 [SPEAKER_03]: If I have more than one a day, I get headaches. 01:23:01.509 --> 01:23:09.478 [SPEAKER_03]: And my wife who has not caffeine not sugar now for years, if she, if we're out somewhere we have coffee and obviously she lost the D-caf. 01:23:10.199 --> 01:23:17.047 [SPEAKER_03]: if it's not she'll be like for days she'll have the worst headache and it affects us so much now because she just had doesn't have it. 01:23:18.588 --> 01:23:25.396 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah it's it's mad how badly it affects people, you know and it's just one of those things that you just take for granted people take every day and crazy. 01:23:25.976 --> 01:23:31.362 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I used to think that the coffee was contributing to my gastric distress 01:23:32.403 --> 01:23:59.517 [SPEAKER_02]: it turns out that the my the lactose in the milk products that i was the milk right i can drink espresso all day and be just fine i cannot start doing steamed milk or creamer without any like dairy pills or something like that to help mitigate otherwise i am in a i'm going to be in a bad place are you lactose intolerably well yeah well and especially in the last six months all of a sudden 01:24:00.758 --> 01:24:17.829 [SPEAKER_02]: dramatically shifted for me after my very careful what what I'm eating Especially if there's dairy bulbs and and how close I had to about through after a certain amount of time Dang yeah, it's a bummer chase literally bummer. 01:24:17.889 --> 01:24:18.670 [SPEAKER_05]: That is a bummer. 01:24:19.170 --> 01:24:20.351 [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to middle name. 01:24:20.371 --> 01:24:21.972 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you're also girls 01:24:26.098 --> 01:24:30.001 [SPEAKER_03]: I tell you what Barracca, tell everybody about Domestile, how great it is, and what we've got coming up. 01:24:30.641 --> 01:24:32.982 [SPEAKER_02]: Domestiles are fantastic materials. 01:24:33.202 --> 01:24:43.489 [SPEAKER_02]: They're the creators and the makers of Stainless Damascus, high-performance stainless Damascus, especially for culinary knives and all kinds of knives. 01:24:43.809 --> 01:24:45.030 [SPEAKER_02]: They're phenomenal. 01:24:45.610 --> 01:24:48.292 [SPEAKER_02]: They finish out beautifully, they're great to grind, and 01:24:49.012 --> 01:25:04.152 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... and they're super reliable they have tons of resources on their website uh... our friends over a domicile are here to take care of us because they know they make one of the best products if not the best stainless steel Damascus in the world and if you go to them is steel dot is a se 01:25:05.794 --> 01:25:06.595 [SPEAKER_02]: You can see. 01:25:06.615 --> 01:25:06.815 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 01:25:07.015 --> 01:25:07.215 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 01:25:07.396 --> 01:25:09.238 [SPEAKER_02]: You can make sure to put a knife talk. 01:25:09.318 --> 01:25:11.500 [SPEAKER_02]: I believe it's 10, but it might be 15. 01:25:11.620 --> 01:25:12.401 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry about that. 01:25:13.942 --> 01:25:17.306 [SPEAKER_02]: But anyways, make sure you put in the promo code when you go to check out. 01:25:18.126 --> 01:25:19.728 [SPEAKER_02]: We got the 15. 01:25:19.868 --> 01:25:20.289 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. 01:25:21.530 --> 01:25:22.351 [SPEAKER_02]: Knife Talks 15. 01:25:23.171 --> 01:25:26.114 [SPEAKER_02]: We got the Damasteel culinary knife. 01:25:26.915 --> 01:25:28.076 [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, how is DCI? 01:25:29.898 --> 01:25:36.220 [SPEAKER_02]: the damage deal chef invitation and it's what is that? 01:25:36.461 --> 01:25:40.702 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just coming up in like three, 14th November, 14th November. 01:25:40.742 --> 01:25:40.962 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow. 01:25:41.122 --> 01:25:44.584 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so we got about damn only two weeks. 01:25:46.344 --> 01:25:47.145 [SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna be doing that. 01:25:47.225 --> 01:25:49.306 [SPEAKER_02]: We always get, it's always a great time every year. 01:25:49.546 --> 01:25:51.366 [SPEAKER_02]: Hang in out, chat and see everybody. 01:25:52.287 --> 01:25:58.109 [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously it'd be preferential to do it in person, but online will always be better than nothing. 01:25:59.450 --> 01:26:00.950 [SPEAKER_02]: And we just have a fun time. 01:26:01.270 --> 01:26:07.973 [SPEAKER_02]: We hang out in our booth, interviewing everybody, where as many people as we can during the show. 01:26:08.793 --> 01:26:11.314 [SPEAKER_02]: And we actually do the whole thing though, too, right? 01:26:11.334 --> 01:26:12.415 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a three-hour show. 01:26:13.898 --> 01:26:20.962 [SPEAKER_03]: It's normally a three-hour show, and we get to chat to all of the makers who are putting their work in. 01:26:21.923 --> 01:26:30.808 [SPEAKER_03]: For those who don't know, they get voted so you get a best chef, knife, best single, bevel knife, best bread knife, best forge knife, best cleaver, best pair of knife, best integral. 01:26:31.248 --> 01:26:34.650 [SPEAKER_03]: And there's also a best-in show which is voted for by those attendance. 01:26:34.670 --> 01:26:36.932 [SPEAKER_03]: You can vote once you're there as well. 01:26:36.952 --> 01:26:40.074 [SPEAKER_03]: But we get to chat to all the makers from all around the world. 01:26:40.894 --> 01:26:44.996 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's it's it's always quite enlightening and funny because it's free. 01:26:45.356 --> 01:26:46.937 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it's free. 01:26:47.017 --> 01:26:47.457 [SPEAKER_03]: It's free. 01:26:47.717 --> 01:26:49.418 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's it's it's an online thing. 01:26:49.438 --> 01:26:52.459 [SPEAKER_03]: It's video as well So you get you get to see us chat with the makers. 01:26:52.479 --> 01:27:00.003 [SPEAKER_03]: We always have a really good time and the makers generally get drunk and drunk as it goes on Who's the one guy who can never get the audio right? 01:27:01.643 --> 01:27:02.724 [SPEAKER_05]: My goal. 01:27:02.825 --> 01:27:03.866 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's the one. 01:27:03.906 --> 01:27:06.228 [SPEAKER_05]: My goal has to every every year. 01:27:06.729 --> 01:27:15.079 [SPEAKER_05]: He starts talking and we can't hear him and he's just like he's it's very funny He's always a good sport about it. 01:27:15.099 --> 01:27:15.719 [SPEAKER_05]: Great sport. 01:27:15.759 --> 01:27:16.600 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, great sport. 01:27:16.640 --> 01:27:20.184 [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's a great event So now that we're talking about it 01:27:20.805 --> 01:27:22.166 [SPEAKER_05]: Because we're wrapping things up. 01:27:22.206 --> 01:27:25.987 [SPEAKER_05]: Do you have any plans on what you're going to do to pair this here? 01:27:26.007 --> 01:27:28.808 [SPEAKER_05]: Are you going to leave me alone? 01:27:29.349 --> 01:27:35.631 [SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking whether or not I should maybe hand the bolt when you guys for that for that section this time. 01:27:37.832 --> 01:27:38.212 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 01:27:38.252 --> 01:27:38.853 [SPEAKER_03]: I've done it. 01:27:38.893 --> 01:27:44.615 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, six, six years now, maybe once you, he wants you. 01:27:44.635 --> 01:27:49.097 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think once you, he wants you, you give the gravitas. 01:27:50.097 --> 01:27:51.737 [SPEAKER_03]: You don't want him, he hates me. 01:27:53.058 --> 01:27:59.159 [SPEAKER_03]: So for those who don't know, before the show starts, pair who's the CEO of Darmastil, he'll do like an open-in speech for the show. 01:27:59.440 --> 01:28:06.701 [SPEAKER_03]: And he talks about what's in store and gets every hyped up, and then he brings me in to explain what we're doing in our booth. 01:28:07.962 --> 01:28:11.883 [SPEAKER_03]: But we always tried to distract him in some sort of way. 01:28:12.603 --> 01:28:13.564 [SPEAKER_03]: without him knowing. 01:28:14.884 --> 01:28:18.126 [SPEAKER_03]: So we've, I think last year, it was that Abba Lerick's last year. 01:28:18.266 --> 01:28:20.428 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah, that was, that was intense. 01:28:20.768 --> 01:28:24.010 [SPEAKER_05]: How many Abbasongs, I forgot about that. 01:28:24.030 --> 01:28:28.953 [SPEAKER_05]: You tried to see how many Abbasongs you could say without him noticing. 01:28:30.127 --> 01:28:31.328 [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think he knows it. 01:28:31.388 --> 01:28:32.889 [SPEAKER_03]: I think the team around him noticed. 01:28:32.909 --> 01:28:34.810 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he actually noticed at the time. 01:28:36.371 --> 01:28:37.972 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we've done multiple things. 01:28:38.032 --> 01:28:39.593 [SPEAKER_03]: That was the year. 01:28:39.633 --> 01:28:42.775 [SPEAKER_03]: Britney Spears was doing the next straight night dance. 01:28:43.355 --> 01:28:46.837 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I brought that up on the straight. 01:28:46.857 --> 01:28:53.021 [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe you should just do nothing and let it be nervous if you're going to do something. 01:28:54.393 --> 01:28:54.973 [SPEAKER_03]: Possibly. 01:28:55.033 --> 01:28:55.293 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:28:55.774 --> 01:28:56.094 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:28:56.754 --> 01:28:57.534 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 01:28:57.934 --> 01:28:58.895 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll see. 01:28:59.135 --> 01:29:00.355 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll see if any of you. 01:29:00.395 --> 01:29:01.156 [SPEAKER_03]: We've got a couple of weeks. 01:29:01.216 --> 01:29:05.137 [SPEAKER_03]: Many viewers got any subtleties we get added in to that little section. 01:29:05.797 --> 01:29:06.618 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we'll do that. 01:29:06.678 --> 01:29:07.038 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll see. 01:29:07.438 --> 01:29:12.302 [SPEAKER_05]: You could have your daughter or your son standing there and then you could lip sync. 01:29:12.783 --> 01:29:16.025 [SPEAKER_05]: So he just tried to lose their mouth and you speak. 01:29:16.826 --> 01:29:20.650 [SPEAKER_05]: But that it's just, oh my god, it's just like, you know what I mean? 01:29:21.070 --> 01:29:22.511 [SPEAKER_05]: Like your son looks just like you. 01:29:22.972 --> 01:29:23.952 [SPEAKER_05]: You could do like, oh yeah, yeah. 01:29:23.972 --> 01:29:31.199 [SPEAKER_05]: You could put a pair of glasses on him and then you could totally just have him up there being you and then you speak. 01:29:31.839 --> 01:29:32.860 [SPEAKER_05]: But it's him, yeah. 01:29:33.321 --> 01:29:34.902 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, can you imagine? 01:29:35.182 --> 01:29:37.805 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think I'll think of something. 01:29:37.845 --> 01:29:38.565 [SPEAKER_03]: It's got to be subtle. 01:29:38.786 --> 01:29:40.467 [SPEAKER_03]: It's got to be subtle. 01:29:40.627 --> 01:29:42.449 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, we'll think of something. 01:29:42.569 --> 01:29:46.453 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, if you happen registered yet head on over to Domacyll.sc. 01:29:46.493 --> 01:29:51.658 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a DCI tab up in the navigation there and it takes you straight there and you can register, I say it's free. 01:29:51.718 --> 01:29:55.562 [SPEAKER_03]: You can see the list of people who are the makers who are putting their work in. 01:29:56.622 --> 01:30:00.466 [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, you can click through, you can see the kind of works that they've got submit in. 01:30:00.546 --> 01:30:04.410 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's always beautiful, beautiful stuff, it's always, you know, it's all down the steel. 01:30:04.490 --> 01:30:09.534 [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, I mean, Alfredo's there, I'm just looking at Alfredo's work now. 01:30:10.715 --> 01:30:11.756 [SPEAKER_03]: Great, all great stuff. 01:30:12.397 --> 01:30:14.299 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, go take a look at Domestale.se. 01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:16.260 [SPEAKER_05]: All right. 01:30:17.482 --> 01:30:18.923 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, what else we got in the house? 01:30:19.303 --> 01:30:22.166 [SPEAKER_05]: That's just, say, we're up to and then we're gonna get out of here. 01:30:23.305 --> 01:30:26.028 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay, okay, let's call. 01:30:27.149 --> 01:30:30.233 [SPEAKER_03]: I tell you what, let's do it a tiny little after show, see you all up to. 01:30:30.453 --> 01:30:31.434 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, thank you all for listening. 01:30:31.975 --> 01:30:33.616 [SPEAKER_03]: You know what we are next week, every Monday morning. 01:30:33.716 --> 01:30:34.017 [SPEAKER_03]: Bye bye. 01:30:39.855 --> 01:30:43.457 [SPEAKER_03]: So what's been going on, what you're watching, what you're listening to, what's happening in your world? 01:30:43.857 --> 01:30:44.958 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you, what do you got, Mereko? 01:30:45.739 --> 01:30:59.528 [SPEAKER_02]: I just, I started and finished below last night, it's like this weird show, it takes place in like Newfoundland or something like that. 01:31:00.630 --> 01:31:03.631 [SPEAKER_02]: And the accents were super weird. 01:31:03.971 --> 01:31:13.194 [SPEAKER_02]: It actually sounded like people were trying to do like a bad impersonation of Brad Pitt's character from a snatch, yeah, where he's the block. 01:31:13.374 --> 01:31:15.075 [SPEAKER_02]: Where he's the piky, the boxer. 01:31:16.376 --> 01:31:24.262 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and apparently that's what people from Newfoundland sound like, or at least the Fisher and Fish and Folk It was fine. 01:31:24.562 --> 01:31:30.526 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know is I'm not gonna tell anybody they should go watch it I've been watching Modland. 01:31:30.566 --> 01:31:31.787 [SPEAKER_02]: I fucking love that show. 01:31:31.807 --> 01:31:43.296 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so good And I'm trying to think what else I finished up carry I don't remember what else I got going on, but anyways, that's about it 01:31:45.078 --> 01:31:49.824 [SPEAKER_02]: Did watch the first men in black with my son a couple weekends ago. 01:31:50.325 --> 01:31:50.645 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow. 01:31:50.665 --> 01:31:51.286 [SPEAKER_02]: That was back. 01:31:51.346 --> 01:31:51.566 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. 01:31:51.687 --> 01:31:55.011 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was like it was like he's the prime age for it. 01:31:55.231 --> 01:31:56.032 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he loved it. 01:31:56.533 --> 01:31:56.994 [SPEAKER_02]: It was great. 01:31:57.955 --> 01:31:59.978 [SPEAKER_02]: And I had forgotten how funny that movie is 01:32:01.213 --> 01:32:09.758 [SPEAKER_02]: There's some pretty funny parts in that movie, but also creepy, and it's like he's super into like creepy things and aliens for whatever reason right now. 01:32:09.858 --> 01:32:16.922 [SPEAKER_02]: So that was a great opportunity to kind of like scratch that edge for creepy aliens and stuff like that. 01:32:17.143 --> 01:32:22.526 [SPEAKER_02]: And it wasn't too nasty or whatever or overly sexual or anything like that, so. 01:32:24.217 --> 01:32:27.538 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we wanted to write, the kids wanted to watch Ghostbusters the other day. 01:32:27.958 --> 01:32:31.539 [SPEAKER_03]: So I put it on, I thought, you know, Halloween's coming out, then, you know, I saw it's a kid. 01:32:31.619 --> 01:32:34.740 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like full of sexual in a window. 01:32:34.760 --> 01:32:38.381 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a few scenes, you just like, oh my god, this is a kid's film. 01:32:38.901 --> 01:32:40.321 [SPEAKER_03]: It was just different back then. 01:32:40.381 --> 01:32:40.801 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:32:40.921 --> 01:32:41.441 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a great film. 01:32:41.461 --> 01:32:41.741 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:32:44.811 --> 01:32:46.311 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and she's in the bath. 01:32:46.331 --> 01:32:57.314 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like there's a couple of moments where it's just like what the hell is going on here My kids they couldn't quite understand it out, but it was yeah, so I think I think we got ET to watch this week Oh, don't do it. 01:32:57.394 --> 01:32:59.695 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I'll do I think we're safe with it. 01:32:59.715 --> 01:33:00.315 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't do it. 01:33:00.375 --> 01:33:01.295 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm making a mistake. 01:33:01.516 --> 01:33:06.637 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I just had I just had Lea air patch on full blast 01:33:07.237 --> 01:33:09.558 [SPEAKER_05]: And we both talked about our E.T. 01:33:09.678 --> 01:33:11.059 [SPEAKER_05]: traumas as children. 01:33:11.399 --> 01:33:11.859 [SPEAKER_05]: Really? 01:33:11.919 --> 01:33:13.840 [SPEAKER_05]: Both of us had very similar traumas. 01:33:13.860 --> 01:33:18.682 [SPEAKER_05]: Like I remember, when it first came out, my mother took me with her brother. 01:33:19.762 --> 01:33:30.486 [SPEAKER_05]: And the first opening scene, their kids, the aliens running around, their police chasing her with keys, and they're, it's just so, it was so intense I started crying. 01:33:31.266 --> 01:33:33.247 [SPEAKER_05]: And then my mother took me to the lobby. 01:33:35.668 --> 01:33:40.833 [SPEAKER_05]: of the movie theater, and called a babysitter to pick me up, and she went back in. 01:33:40.853 --> 01:33:44.576 [SPEAKER_05]: I ended up, I was fucking pretty upset. 01:33:44.617 --> 01:33:49.561 [SPEAKER_05]: Terribly in-consoled in the movie theater waiting for this fucking babysitter show up. 01:33:50.222 --> 01:33:58.970 [SPEAKER_05]: And Leah told the story about how her mother gave her like an AT doll, and it totally freaked her out. 01:33:59.450 --> 01:34:00.972 [SPEAKER_05]: And she definitely, I'm on. 01:34:01.312 --> 01:34:07.855 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, just like the whole thing was, I would strongly suggest, not E.T. 01:34:08.195 --> 01:34:11.676 [SPEAKER_05]: I would strongly suggest not E.T. 01:34:11.716 --> 01:34:12.837 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a big thing at that. 01:34:13.457 --> 01:34:18.659 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just gonna say when he starts getting sick and he's kind of dying and shit, that gets on me. 01:34:18.719 --> 01:34:19.379 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, dude. 01:34:19.800 --> 01:34:20.780 [SPEAKER_02]: You're going to unlock him up. 01:34:20.860 --> 01:34:21.500 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't all of it. 01:34:21.520 --> 01:34:22.080 [SPEAKER_02]: That prime. 01:34:22.241 --> 01:34:22.821 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's me. 01:34:22.841 --> 01:34:25.222 [SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna be able to bookmark that trauma. 01:34:26.282 --> 01:34:28.083 [SPEAKER_05]: You're gonna be able to bookmark that trauma. 01:34:28.523 --> 01:34:31.285 [SPEAKER_05]: And then when they go to the shrink later in life, you pull the bookmark out. 01:34:31.585 --> 01:34:34.687 [SPEAKER_05]: This is when this is the beginning stages of their fears. 01:34:35.388 --> 01:34:35.988 [SPEAKER_05]: Don't do it. 01:34:36.028 --> 01:34:36.529 [SPEAKER_05]: They don't do it. 01:34:36.929 --> 01:34:37.409 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they do it. 01:34:37.469 --> 01:34:38.010 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't do it. 01:34:38.050 --> 01:34:38.610 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 01:34:38.790 --> 01:34:39.691 [SPEAKER_03]: I loved it as a kid. 01:34:39.851 --> 01:34:40.371 [SPEAKER_03]: I really did. 01:34:40.491 --> 01:34:41.932 [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know. 01:34:42.012 --> 01:34:43.293 [SPEAKER_03]: It seems to be a thing again now. 01:34:43.353 --> 01:34:44.594 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like all of the shops. 01:34:44.614 --> 01:34:45.875 [SPEAKER_03]: They've all called it ET stuff. 01:34:45.915 --> 01:34:48.037 [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know if they're making a remake or something. 01:34:48.057 --> 01:34:48.617 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 01:34:48.637 --> 01:34:50.158 [SPEAKER_03]: Like the market and team are on it. 01:34:50.418 --> 01:34:51.579 [SPEAKER_05]: I wouldn't do it on you know. 01:34:51.599 --> 01:34:52.279 [SPEAKER_05]: I wouldn't do it. 01:34:52.660 --> 01:34:53.320 [SPEAKER_05]: I wouldn't do it. 01:34:53.340 --> 01:34:54.061 [SPEAKER_05]: I wouldn't do it. 01:34:54.981 --> 01:35:00.525 [SPEAKER_05]: Remlins all that shit when they're too young those those two scary for a little kid They're children. 01:35:00.545 --> 01:35:04.907 [SPEAKER_05]: They're not even like what I'm not even a eight Oh, I'm a tough enough. 01:35:04.947 --> 01:35:06.048 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm a tough enough. 01:35:06.168 --> 01:35:07.769 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm a tough enough. 01:35:07.829 --> 01:35:13.493 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you already got him with Ghostbusters You'll start him off with like hoarding cigarettes right now. 01:35:13.513 --> 01:35:23.279 [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to get Dying bucket aliens running around the what was scared the shit out of the skin The fucking blow in the dark finger looks a good dick good luck 01:35:27.389 --> 01:35:29.513 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, it's much better. 01:35:29.954 --> 01:35:31.196 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it should be called a little bit. 01:35:31.216 --> 01:35:32.338 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I can't get much better than that. 01:35:33.420 --> 01:35:34.361 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, then the Glow Index. 01:35:34.442 --> 01:35:36.024 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, thank you all for listening. 01:35:36.064 --> 01:35:36.966 [SPEAKER_03]: We really do appreciate it. 01:35:37.006 --> 01:35:38.809 [SPEAKER_03]: And we just see you next week. 01:35:38.990 --> 01:35:39.651 [SPEAKER_03]: Bye for now. 01:35:39.751 --> 01:35:40.052 [SPEAKER_03]: Bye-bye.