WEBVTT 00:00.271 --> 00:11.336 [SPEAKER_00]: We want to be able to separate what is part of his fan of culture, the fun, the music, the food, the bright colors, the dance, all of the things. 00:11.376 --> 00:24.042 [SPEAKER_00]: We want to celebrate that, but then be able to separate it from the spiritual aspects of it that are taking place in that culture and saying, no, every culture, every single culture has some 00:26.063 --> 00:33.425 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this includes another model there, a movie minute, and the movie minute is not where we endorse moving or we recommend taking your family's to see them. 00:33.905 --> 00:38.646 [SPEAKER_00]: Or rather, we take what culture is already producing or maybe classic that has produced in the past. 00:39.226 --> 00:43.247 [SPEAKER_00]: And we discuss it, we discuss potential and files may be some concerning issues. 00:43.687 --> 00:47.648 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we ask the judges for conversational in the patients that we can have with your kids. 00:48.228 --> 00:51.009 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host, Hilary Ferrer, and I'm on your western house. 00:51.510 --> 00:54.291 [SPEAKER_00]: So the movie we're going to discuss this week is Coco. 00:54.411 --> 00:59.033 [SPEAKER_00]: Now Coco was done by, it was done by Pixar, this year was that after they merged. 00:59.273 --> 01:02.054 [SPEAKER_00]: Disney Pixar, okay, so it's kind of combination. 01:02.274 --> 01:08.177 [SPEAKER_00]: And as we're coming upon the Halloween season, this is one of those movies that we might see appearing in more and more places. 01:08.237 --> 01:11.498 [SPEAKER_00]: So on your won't you give us a summary of what this movie is about? 01:12.059 --> 01:12.279 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. 01:12.859 --> 01:26.775 [SPEAKER_01]: Disney Pixar's Cocoa, it talks about Miguel, a young Mexican boy who dreams of becoming a musician, not magician, a musician, though his band music for several generations. 01:27.016 --> 01:31.100 [SPEAKER_01]: And deal, deal less merretes, the day of the dad, which is what I'll say from now on. 01:31.661 --> 01:32.702 [SPEAKER_01]: But you're nowhere Spanish. 01:32.742 --> 01:35.284 [SPEAKER_01]: I took French in high school, which is my helpful in California. 01:35.724 --> 01:36.285 [SPEAKER_01]: I digress. 01:36.745 --> 01:53.218 [SPEAKER_01]: Megal mistakenly enters the land of the dead where he meets his ancestors and teams up with a charming trickster named Hector while searching for the world's most famous musician, Ernesto Delacruz, who he believes to be his long last grandfather. 01:58.802 --> 02:10.924 [SPEAKER_01]: As a girl searches for a way home in the truth about his family, he and covers secrets that explain their family's rejection of music, his journey explores family forgiveness following your dreams. 02:12.184 --> 02:14.965 [SPEAKER_00]: And can you think loved ones memories alive? 02:14.985 --> 02:16.745 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 02:17.445 --> 02:22.106 [SPEAKER_00]: So whatever we had, a mum of a movie minute, we like to bring in a prop. 02:22.186 --> 02:23.746 [SPEAKER_00]: So are you ready with your prop on you? 02:24.086 --> 02:24.607 [SPEAKER_00]: I got it. 02:29.432 --> 02:30.372 [SPEAKER_01]: So what is yours? 02:30.593 --> 02:34.034 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, mine is, this is my grandmother's fine China. 02:34.054 --> 02:36.475 [SPEAKER_01]: Those of you who are that are listening via podcasts. 02:36.715 --> 02:39.736 [SPEAKER_01]: It is just a simple white cup with some Ivy. 02:39.756 --> 02:42.378 [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually California Ivy, which I really appreciate. 02:42.578 --> 02:51.682 [SPEAKER_01]: I think she said to me was to make sure that I had, she said she loved me, but she also said she wanted me to have her China because she knew I loved to host. 02:51.702 --> 02:53.983 [SPEAKER_01]: So this, oh, me and her year. 02:54.403 --> 02:55.043 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 02:55.543 --> 02:58.745 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so it is being loved and used here in California. 02:59.425 --> 03:01.706 [SPEAKER_01]: And what about you going? 03:01.726 --> 03:05.068 [SPEAKER_00]: My look like those, it looks like I look at them on my hands. 03:05.128 --> 03:07.930 [SPEAKER_00]: It looks like that you know, washing gloves that you use at the same. 03:08.010 --> 03:12.293 [SPEAKER_00]: But they're like, actually, there's really nice, like, almost swaying. 03:12.513 --> 03:16.495 [SPEAKER_00]: So my grandmother was, she was kind of like that old money, high society. 03:16.535 --> 03:22.138 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like these gloves that you'd wear for formal occasion, but my hands are so much smaller than everybody else in my family. 03:22.699 --> 03:27.962 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's like absolutely nowhere that I would wear these, but I keep them in my top drawer because they make me see my grandmother. 03:28.642 --> 03:35.927 [SPEAKER_00]: So, and that really was the theme of this movie is just loving your, you know, the people that came before you. 03:35.987 --> 03:38.369 [SPEAKER_00]: I also just in case, uh, that one didn't work. 03:38.409 --> 03:46.394 [SPEAKER_00]: I had this really cool kind of scenery to dress that I bought from a thrift stork that, I mean, it just looks straight out of, it's like straight out of Mexico. 03:46.414 --> 03:46.774 [SPEAKER_00]: I love it. 03:46.814 --> 03:47.295 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so pretty. 03:47.515 --> 03:52.998 [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, but yeah, I had this that makes me think of my grandmother, even though I don't ever wear them. 03:53.038 --> 03:54.720 [SPEAKER_00]: I still will keep them probably forever. 03:54.740 --> 03:56.481 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that. 03:57.990 --> 04:01.151 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's talk about some of the insights that we had from the movie. 04:01.191 --> 04:02.411 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you have anything big? 04:02.431 --> 04:04.371 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're in do that before we do the issues. 04:04.511 --> 04:09.752 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's let's talk about the insight or in whatever good that we could find from it. 04:09.772 --> 04:14.893 [SPEAKER_01]: So I really, this movie is beautifully done. 04:16.273 --> 04:19.534 [SPEAKER_01]: The beauty of the Mexican culture is apparent. 04:19.634 --> 04:22.574 [SPEAKER_01]: I loved all of the different Easter eggs about 04:26.695 --> 04:35.581 [SPEAKER_01]: Frito, Frito, Frito, Calo dancers, that was hilarious, um, and so that was so beautiful in the movie. 04:35.701 --> 04:46.628 [SPEAKER_01]: I also know how important it is to the Mexican and Hispanic community to have the movie Coco because it really celebrates their culture and their roots. 04:47.289 --> 04:50.651 [SPEAKER_01]: And for me personally, I the first time I watched it. 04:50.691 --> 04:53.353 [SPEAKER_01]: I just thought, wow, I had always been so, 04:54.193 --> 05:07.640 [SPEAKER_01]: confused about the day of the dead and gave me some insight to what the celebration is because for me, I just saw the skeletons and the different imagery and it just looked quite scary to me. 05:07.660 --> 05:11.682 [SPEAKER_01]: I really appreciate how this movie. 05:12.722 --> 05:35.239 [SPEAKER_01]: really talks about what the day of the dead really is and it's not scary skeletons like you might you might think when when you see it and like you were saying hello I think one of the main insights one of the main themes is remembering your ancestors and just remembering the people that have come before you and that's very biblical 05:36.840 --> 05:41.522 [SPEAKER_01]: Psalm 78-24 says, I will open my mouth with a parable. 05:41.602 --> 05:45.263 [SPEAKER_01]: I will utter hidden things from old things we have heard and known. 05:45.583 --> 05:47.824 [SPEAKER_01]: Those things are ancestors have told us. 05:47.924 --> 05:50.865 [SPEAKER_01]: We will not hide them from our their descendants. 05:51.325 --> 05:54.987 [SPEAKER_01]: And we will tell the next generation the praiseworthy deeds of the Lord. 05:55.307 --> 05:57.948 [SPEAKER_01]: His power and the wonders he has done. 05:57.968 --> 05:57.988 [SPEAKER_01]: I 05:59.408 --> 06:16.692 [SPEAKER_01]: Love that this movie really celebrates what our ancestors have done who they are and the lessons that we can learn and honestly my family history we don't how we celebrate or talk about our ancestors So that is a really beautiful thing in this movie 06:17.292 --> 06:21.756 [SPEAKER_01]: and it really was, I want to say, convicting to me to think, you know what? 06:22.076 --> 06:23.737 [SPEAKER_01]: I have amazing grandparents. 06:23.817 --> 06:35.127 [SPEAKER_01]: I have great stories to tell, and it just was a good reminder to honor my grandparents by telling my children all of the stories. 06:35.307 --> 06:37.088 [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, I am grateful to God. 06:37.629 --> 06:40.451 [SPEAKER_01]: Both sets of my grandparents really love the Lord. 06:41.252 --> 06:44.056 [SPEAKER_01]: And I have that legacy to give to my children. 06:44.096 --> 06:55.613 [SPEAKER_01]: So I do think that that is a really great thing that happens in Cocoa, just the celebrating and remembering who our ancestors are. 06:55.713 --> 07:14.096 [SPEAKER_00]: that that was one of the things that I noticed on there where it's like he was what to do something else and she's like it's already you know this is the day it's only families are family first and I was like we really got in a way from this idea that it really is trying to the biblical model of you are can only be like have or have control or only be in charge of something very small. 07:14.757 --> 07:36.336 [SPEAKER_00]: And if everybody's taking really good care of that really small unit, then you put all these other really well cared for us, we only units together, that's how you take care of a society, which takes care of a nation, which takes care of, but it's like everybody has to take responsibility for their own little small slice, which I think they, they emphasize and especially in in a culture that we're in now where. 07:37.217 --> 07:49.366 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone who I think it started with our parent or at least my parent's generation where they had the phrase don't trust anyone over 30 that was the 60s generation where anybody that was associated with age was associated with just 07:53.008 --> 07:55.491 [SPEAKER_00]: are cake and they don't know what they're talking about. 07:55.531 --> 07:57.092 [SPEAKER_00]: They haven't kept up with the times. 07:57.112 --> 07:58.474 [SPEAKER_00]: They have no wisdom to share. 07:59.174 --> 08:04.900 [SPEAKER_00]: And over you get the more you're like, wow, I wish I had asked my grandparents a lot more because they've seen so much. 08:04.920 --> 08:06.062 [SPEAKER_00]: I think about my grandmother. 08:06.102 --> 08:08.744 [SPEAKER_00]: She would live through their great depression. 08:09.045 --> 08:10.806 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I remember she used to like, 08:11.567 --> 08:27.449 [SPEAKER_00]: uh, when she got a lot a lot older, even though she was quite wealthy, she would go through and turn off even the nightlights that my dad would put on because she was always thinking of having to save money because she lived through the depression, um, where they had nothing and so. 08:28.290 --> 08:50.205 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I, I really missed the whole honoring your elders thing that I think our, our society has gotten away with or gone away with, um, one of the things that really struck out to me that there was a real, um, not crossover, but, uh, similarities between how Miguel's family treated music. 08:51.186 --> 08:55.867 [SPEAKER_00]: and what you see with people who are deconstructing from Christianity. 08:56.747 --> 09:02.229 [SPEAKER_00]: So, like the little spoiler in the mood of the movie, it starts out showing the family, just hates music. 09:02.269 --> 09:08.250 [SPEAKER_00]: It's because the great, great grandfather basically left his family to go personally with his dream to do music. 09:08.450 --> 09:10.831 [SPEAKER_00]: And so after he left and didn't come back, 09:11.651 --> 09:27.611 [SPEAKER_00]: uh the whole family just said nobody's going to be like nobody's allowed to have music until you know three generations later we got Miguel really loves guitar and he's got music and his soul but he has to hide it because his family is so against music and it reminds me of 09:28.352 --> 09:31.094 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they keep point, do you want to be a larger, great, great grandfather? 09:31.134 --> 09:32.574 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, no, you don't want to be like that. 09:33.075 --> 09:40.078 [SPEAKER_00]: The people who have had bad experiences with Christianity, that basically throw all of Christianity, don't go to church. 09:40.178 --> 09:41.079 [SPEAKER_00]: Stay away from God. 09:41.159 --> 09:42.660 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't have the God conversations. 09:43.080 --> 09:46.202 [SPEAKER_00]: You're just going to wind up a screw to plays I was when I was a kid. 09:46.422 --> 09:51.044 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's throwing every single way because somebody misused it. 09:51.084 --> 09:55.807 [SPEAKER_00]: And I would say like we even see with the great, great, grandmother at one point when he's like, 09:55.887 --> 10:23.492 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand because you don't understand music and she starts singing and she says that was one of my favorite things to do was to sing with my husband and sing with our family and she gave all of that up because of the bad experience she had so I thought that that was to me that was like the connection I was singing and if like deconstructed for music almost well and I yeah I wrote down that about how the family totally overreacted 10:24.232 --> 10:28.715 [SPEAKER_01]: and they ban everything based on this one bad experience. 10:28.735 --> 10:32.838 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the deconstruction model you just said is a perfect example. 10:32.898 --> 10:45.447 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think even in our own homes, we can do micro things like this where we say, oh, you can't listen to any music that is not Christian. 10:45.767 --> 10:47.748 [SPEAKER_01]: Like if it's not Christian, it's bad. 10:48.729 --> 10:52.934 [SPEAKER_01]: I know a lot of families think they call it indirect model, we're either all safer. 10:52.994 --> 10:53.895 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all dangerous. 10:54.316 --> 10:54.897 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 10:55.037 --> 10:55.477 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 10:55.497 --> 10:57.680 [SPEAKER_01]: This all this all or nothing. 10:57.840 --> 11:00.744 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, any you talk about that in the first Mama bear apology. 11:00.824 --> 11:02.506 [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the reasons that I started. 11:03.087 --> 11:05.330 [SPEAKER_01]: Just fell in love with that because you know. 11:06.611 --> 11:11.275 [SPEAKER_01]: it's so easy to say Christian good, non-Christian bad. 11:11.355 --> 11:14.217 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's just not reality. 11:14.297 --> 11:21.402 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, frankly, it's important that we're looking at the worship songs that we're playing on Sunday, are these the songs? 11:21.822 --> 11:23.403 [SPEAKER_01]: Are they biblical? 11:23.964 --> 11:25.745 [SPEAKER_01]: Are they pointing us to the Lord? 11:25.845 --> 11:26.286 [SPEAKER_01]: Or are they 11:29.868 --> 11:37.715 [SPEAKER_00]: And this stuff we can have like Dollar Tree and syncretism and all the other things sneaking just as much with Christianity as we can with anything else. 11:37.835 --> 11:42.179 [SPEAKER_00]: And so we we need that's why we're told to always be our garden protecting our hurts. 11:42.720 --> 11:43.040 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 11:43.200 --> 11:44.321 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly. 11:44.962 --> 11:45.522 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 11:45.603 --> 11:47.724 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think that was a really a really good. 11:48.405 --> 12:10.345 [SPEAKER_01]: good points also there is this every single person in their family had to sell shoes make shoes that was all shoes shoes shoes instead of needing room for God's plan for your child because it's as a parent we want to control we want them to have the best experience I have a daughter who's a senior 12:10.885 --> 12:31.253 [SPEAKER_01]: in high school right now and I absolutely am doing my best to serve render her to the Lord because I know that his plan for her is much better than any plan that I could have but it's hard because as a parent you want to control and make the plans for your kids because you think you know best but 12:32.233 --> 12:39.256 [SPEAKER_01]: just being so rendering your children to the Lord and saying, God, you have given me this child for this season. 12:39.816 --> 12:43.358 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know that your plan is better and not taking control. 12:43.438 --> 12:49.980 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when Abba Lita destroyed Megal's guitar, it was so hard breaking. 12:50.161 --> 12:51.801 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was just like, King Triton. 12:52.221 --> 12:52.822 [SPEAKER_01]: King Triton? 12:53.102 --> 12:56.503 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I mean, I was trying to make it all or something. 13:01.025 --> 13:06.790 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't take the music out of Miguel's heart nor could you take humans out of Ariel's heart. 13:06.890 --> 13:20.500 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you look at your children, God has put maybe something in their heart that you're like, no, you should do medicine or you should do teaching or you should do whatever you think, but you don't know what God has put in their heart. 13:20.641 --> 13:25.945 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that was a really important lesson to learn in this story. 13:26.760 --> 13:26.980 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 13:27.260 --> 13:35.002 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think we have a lot more opportunities that are available to us now that they didn't have kind of back in the day, maybe some countries don't have. 13:35.122 --> 13:38.062 [SPEAKER_00]: So like the only thing that you could do was what you were apprentice at. 13:38.282 --> 13:47.104 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like the apprenticeship model, that's kind of like that's how you got your career and it's easier to apprentice with someone that the people in your family and going and find someone else to apprentice. 13:47.124 --> 13:49.265 [SPEAKER_00]: So that might be a little bit more like not 13:51.545 --> 13:53.306 [SPEAKER_00]: a time and opportunity thing as well. 13:53.406 --> 13:58.968 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, at the same time, there are people who would still stray from what their family had done for generations. 13:59.068 --> 14:01.549 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like he didn't want to make shoes. 14:01.589 --> 14:03.150 [SPEAKER_00]: He had something else that he wanted to do. 14:04.410 --> 14:11.853 [SPEAKER_00]: Although I wish that we still had shoe makers out there, there's it's like, I guess kind of sad with the our culture, how we just threw stuff away. 14:12.073 --> 14:16.255 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like I remember my grandmother saying she needed to go to the cobbler to get her shoe fixed. 14:16.855 --> 14:23.041 [SPEAKER_00]: when we were younger that you get in good parachutes and then you go get on six just there's something wrong with it and I don't know I think that's beautiful. 14:24.062 --> 14:29.307 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay so like another insight that I had from this movie is looking into 14:31.298 --> 14:33.560 [SPEAKER_00]: two different things and both of them have to do the family. 14:33.600 --> 14:38.903 [SPEAKER_00]: So number one, I guess would be how every child wants to know where they came from. 14:39.043 --> 14:43.126 [SPEAKER_00]: And so our friend, Katie Faust has an organization called them before us. 14:43.726 --> 14:51.351 [SPEAKER_00]: These based on putting children's needs ahead of adult desires and especially in this society where we are creating 14:59.576 --> 15:06.543 [SPEAKER_00]: that we are creating children that don't have one of these parts of themselves and he not what wasn't just even looking at his parents. 15:06.964 --> 15:09.847 [SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to go back and see, okay, well, what about my grandfather? 15:09.867 --> 15:11.028 [SPEAKER_00]: What about my great grandfather? 15:11.048 --> 15:15.873 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they had the picture with the great grandfather's head kind of torn off, because everybody was mad at him. 15:16.314 --> 15:19.798 [SPEAKER_00]: And he had this longing to know who that person was. 15:19.818 --> 15:20.919 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that that's just 15:22.180 --> 15:30.765 [SPEAKER_00]: emphasizing something that we know to be true that we need to take into account as we're doing these different kind of fertility medicine things. 15:30.945 --> 15:38.890 [SPEAKER_00]: But the other thing was how huge of an impact mothers and fathers and grandparents and great-grandparents can have on children. 15:39.431 --> 15:42.473 [SPEAKER_00]: So the very oldest character in the movie, I can't remember. 15:43.753 --> 15:45.735 [SPEAKER_00]: Her name was Coco, but he told her something that 15:48.630 --> 15:55.297 [SPEAKER_00]: And she was like hunched over, she doesn't recognize anybody, but every now and then she her eyes would open, she'd go, Pappa, Pappa, are you whole? 15:56.073 --> 16:05.579 [SPEAKER_00]: that her papaya had left when she was like seven, and even as an old woman, she was waiting for papaya to come home and it reminded me, this is like the saddest story ever. 16:06.399 --> 16:23.050 [SPEAKER_00]: When my grandmother was passing away, her mother had not been the kindest to her, her mother had kind of told her she was stupid, her whole life and would always compare her, who looks wise to her sisters, and basically told her she's not pretty, and she's not smart. 16:23.830 --> 16:30.380 [SPEAKER_00]: on her death that in her nines like when she couldn't recognize any of us, she looked at me and I'm going to cry. 16:30.440 --> 16:34.366 [SPEAKER_00]: She looked at me with these like the saddest child like eyes. 16:35.007 --> 16:37.931 [SPEAKER_00]: It was asking is it right for a mother not to love her daughter? 16:37.951 --> 16:37.991 [SPEAKER_00]: Is 16:38.592 --> 16:39.312 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that okay? 16:39.832 --> 16:42.133 [SPEAKER_00]: And she kept saying, I tried to be a good girl. 16:42.233 --> 16:46.374 [SPEAKER_00]: I tried so hard to be a good girl, but is it right for a mother not to love her daughter? 16:47.014 --> 16:49.534 [SPEAKER_00]: And I kept saying, no grandma, me, that's not right. 16:49.574 --> 16:50.834 [SPEAKER_00]: That is not okay. 16:50.994 --> 16:54.915 [SPEAKER_00]: And even like at 90 years, you know, 95, I can't bear hold. 16:54.955 --> 16:57.776 [SPEAKER_00]: She was that still on her death bed. 16:57.836 --> 17:01.436 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what she was crying out about is the fact that her mother didn't love her. 17:01.857 --> 17:03.417 [SPEAKER_00]: And so just seeing that, 17:04.857 --> 17:11.979 [SPEAKER_00]: of Coco, even she, you know, she was like, you know, approach it a hundred and she was still waiting for her kapata come home. 17:13.119 --> 17:22.461 [SPEAKER_01]: So, well, and that part of the story is so sad because what happens in the movie, spoiler alert, as we've heard. 17:23.341 --> 17:26.701 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you've only had nine years to watch it. 17:29.782 --> 17:36.886 [SPEAKER_01]: Hector ends up being his actual grandfather and who wrote on. 17:37.406 --> 17:38.707 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, his great-great-grandfather. 17:38.907 --> 17:56.196 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, there's a lot of greats who had written all of the music for the famous Ernesto Delacruz who took all of the credit and Hector felt very convicted about it and was about ready to leave but he was also taking his songs. 17:56.776 --> 18:03.639 [SPEAKER_01]: And so what one of the insights I had was, what happened was Ernesto, he, he often. 18:04.099 --> 18:06.720 [SPEAKER_01]: He poisoned him and he died. 18:07.240 --> 18:11.262 [SPEAKER_01]: And so the family never knew that he was coming home. 18:12.182 --> 18:19.105 [SPEAKER_01]: And in the movie, there's this idea, Ernesto Delacruz, he was once to win at all costs. 18:19.265 --> 18:22.946 [SPEAKER_01]: He wanted to be number one at all cost, even to the extent of murder. 18:24.747 --> 18:45.552 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, murdering his best friend just to get his music and at remind me of that verse in Luke 1817 for there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed and nothing concealed that will not be known or bought about into the open because for all of these generations they thought that Hector was just this big old 18:46.192 --> 18:46.993 [SPEAKER_01]: terrible person. 18:47.013 --> 18:54.440 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they banned any sort of music, but that wasn't actually like a deadbeat deadbeat father, and we are staying away from him. 18:54.560 --> 19:00.365 [SPEAKER_00]: And they didn't know he was coming back in all of Mexico was celebrating our next The Daily Crews. 19:00.485 --> 19:10.935 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I like the first thing you picked out about like how we're everything is going to be made known because that that final, you know, concert he had, there was the morning of the after the day of the dead. 19:11.595 --> 19:13.817 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think that like the beam of seat. 19:13.897 --> 19:15.998 [SPEAKER_00]: The beam of seat is the seat of Christ. 19:16.038 --> 19:20.442 [SPEAKER_00]: The judgment seat of Christ where basically everything that we've ever had happened is going to be revealed. 19:20.862 --> 19:22.743 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's going to be revealed to everyone. 19:22.783 --> 19:24.304 [SPEAKER_00]: It might be revealed to everyone. 19:24.324 --> 19:30.269 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think nobody's going to go come away from the beam of seat feeling like I was pretty good. 19:30.289 --> 19:31.910 [SPEAKER_00]: I think everybody's going to be 19:32.410 --> 19:45.674 [SPEAKER_00]: very humble, but that was almost like the theater, because like all the people in the crowd got to see, oh, the sky that we have been referring for a hundred years, he stole all of his friends songs and then murdered his friend. 19:45.814 --> 19:49.995 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's an excellent herst to bring together. 19:50.755 --> 19:51.476 [SPEAKER_01]: No, thank you. 19:51.536 --> 19:56.857 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just thought, and here actor, I mean, there actor was dead, so we didn't 19:59.858 --> 20:25.480 [SPEAKER_01]: You would want her event had you known, but you just, you have to give those things to God because in the end it did work out though not in his generation and I think that's reality we live in a fallen broken world and we want just us now we want it exactly the way we think it should be but that is not always the case but ultimately God sits upon the throne and I loved it's just 20:26.080 --> 20:31.121 [SPEAKER_01]: give such peace to know that the things that were done to you, God will take care of. 20:31.401 --> 20:32.682 [SPEAKER_01]: He knows those hidden things. 20:33.002 --> 20:34.662 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not hidden to God. 20:35.322 --> 20:39.743 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think I really appreciated that message in the movie. 20:39.763 --> 20:40.743 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 20:40.883 --> 20:52.706 [SPEAKER_01]: And how really ultimately kind of to your point, Hillary, family was more important than achieving being the number one superstar of all time. 20:52.726 --> 20:54.267 [SPEAKER_01]: That's really not that 20:56.167 --> 21:05.984 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it really isn't so now that we have kind of some of the insights are you ready to start going through the issues because there's a lot there's a lot 21:08.343 --> 21:13.786 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I just say first of all, like, I was really hesitant to watch this in the first place, like, several years back. 21:13.826 --> 21:15.467 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I should probably watch this. 21:15.587 --> 21:22.051 [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, because the day and day of all my thoughts, like you were saying, it's, you know, it's got all skeletons, got it, everything. 21:22.071 --> 21:24.973 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, we can't be all super jetty because we've got Halloween. 21:25.993 --> 21:28.395 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was trying to see, like, kind of what comparisons are there. 21:28.415 --> 21:34.118 [SPEAKER_00]: If I, I'd probably would not let my kids watch this. 21:35.318 --> 21:38.241 [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly wouldn't because there's a couple of reasons. 21:38.281 --> 21:48.770 [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, and like if I were in that culture, I probably wouldn't participate in a lot of the things because it's not, it hasn't moved away from what it originally was. 21:48.970 --> 21:54.655 [SPEAKER_00]: It is still what it originally was, which is basically ancestor worship and necromancy. 21:55.375 --> 22:02.402 [SPEAKER_00]: So the date of the dead, what the legend is, this started out, I think, like Mesoamerican, you know, ancient, like, because of stuff like that. 22:03.382 --> 22:11.144 [SPEAKER_00]: Where the day where the dead can come back from the spirit world and visit the land of the living, they just have one day that they can do it. 22:11.264 --> 22:22.868 [SPEAKER_00]: And so the people in the living world will put pictures of their ancestors and they'll surround it with different things that represent the four elements, the earth, air wind and fire. 22:24.188 --> 22:26.149 [SPEAKER_00]: and they will offer offerings. 22:26.169 --> 22:31.990 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, they say, they kept saying the old friend that the old friend that the old friend does actually means altar. 22:32.050 --> 22:36.131 [SPEAKER_00]: They are putting this on an altar and they are talking to these people. 22:36.171 --> 22:38.011 [SPEAKER_00]: They're asking them for guidance. 22:38.091 --> 22:39.911 [SPEAKER_00]: They're praying to their ancestors. 22:39.931 --> 22:45.793 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, there's a moment in the movie where Miguel prays to his ancestors and you kind of see them answer. 22:47.993 --> 22:55.778 [SPEAKER_00]: And I had to remind myself with his delightful as this was, this is where it's like, well, okay, let's pretend that this is a story in the story. 22:56.238 --> 22:56.959 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the spirit. 22:57.019 --> 22:57.579 [SPEAKER_00]: That's great. 22:57.679 --> 23:00.101 [SPEAKER_00]: What's happening in real life when people are doing this? 23:00.561 --> 23:03.703 [SPEAKER_00]: In real life, everything they're interacting with is a demon. 23:05.242 --> 23:31.835 [SPEAKER_00]: And it is making demons look fun and it's making demons look cute and it's making demons look colorful and friendly and like I can even tell towards the end like I could feel my heart being turned towards this culture really enjoying it even though I'm sitting there going in your life that's a demon in real life that's a demon it doesn't really good job of turning your heart towards something that we're called to stay. 23:32.555 --> 23:33.155 [SPEAKER_00]: away from. 23:33.255 --> 23:46.901 [SPEAKER_00]: So for those of you who don't know what the word syncretism means, the word syncretism means that we are taking elements of Christianity and we're kind of synchronizing, we're mixing them together with other spirituality. 23:46.921 --> 23:56.904 [SPEAKER_00]: So like for example, on the offrendess that have, you know, the the food and the drink and the the candles and things that represent, you know, Earth 23:58.725 --> 24:06.551 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, back, I think it was like when they can keep some orders we're going around and we're colonizing everywhere, they just start slapping across on there. 24:06.571 --> 24:15.679 [SPEAKER_00]: So somewhere along the way, there's this kind of deeper kind of South American version of Catholicism that is not merged. 24:16.439 --> 24:39.629 [SPEAKER_00]: with this this ancient mess of American tradition, but it is still a necromancy means convenient with a dead necromancy means communicating with the dead and that is exactly it portrayed it as this isn't just a fun game we played this is like real in fact I think that's one of the conclusions that Miguel comes to and they're like well why do you think you were doing he's like I don't know I just thought I was one of those things that 24:39.769 --> 24:46.792 [SPEAKER_00]: that adults tell you even though you know it's made up in realizing this is real, this ancestors really are coming ancestors. 24:48.153 --> 24:55.997 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, we know in the real world that's actually demons, but imagine being a child and watching this and being like, I really want to talk to my grandma. 24:56.497 --> 25:03.000 [SPEAKER_00]: And so going and doing some of these activities on a certain day, you are inviting demonic activity. 25:03.880 --> 25:05.881 [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't like just going around and getting candy. 25:07.616 --> 25:08.598 [SPEAKER_00]: praying to the dead. 25:08.698 --> 25:14.407 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was just like, ah, this is, yeah, this is, yeah. 25:16.070 --> 25:16.871 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what's on you. 25:17.031 --> 25:17.673 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 25:17.753 --> 25:21.639 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's, it's really, it's really hard. 25:23.013 --> 25:41.500 [SPEAKER_01]: it's really hard to to nuance how to to do this movie, especially I live in California and there's a lot of amazing Mexican American family and kids and I think how how we talk about it, how we interact with it, um 25:42.620 --> 26:06.139 [SPEAKER_01]: because I was I looked up as well because it's it's different washing it when you are just I'm just watching it versus when you're watching and you're like I got a point of guess on this thing I got it I got to do a little bit more digging and I even found some things from the Vatican back from 2011 just comparing number first is there all Saints Day and November 26:07.960 --> 26:19.089 [SPEAKER_01]: all souls day and all saints debate, honors, all the saints in heaven, focusing, celebrating their life with thought and honoring their example, which is totally fine. 26:19.389 --> 26:19.669 [SPEAKER_01]: Fine. 26:19.689 --> 26:20.490 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll find what back. 26:20.710 --> 26:21.330 [SPEAKER_01]: And call with that. 26:21.611 --> 26:28.556 [SPEAKER_01]: But then they asked the saints to pray for them because they believe that their ancestors will intercede. 26:29.137 --> 26:33.060 [SPEAKER_01]: So, which is not that's not 26:34.961 --> 26:41.305 [SPEAKER_00]: So I talked to Catholics on this before and they say it's like asking a person to, you know, pray for you. 26:41.445 --> 26:47.929 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like they're you're not saying you're interceding for me or that you're between me and God, I'm just asking you to pray for me and I'm thinking, yes, that's true. 26:47.949 --> 26:50.471 [SPEAKER_00]: We can ask that if people but I'm asking a living person. 26:51.091 --> 27:09.266 [SPEAKER_00]: Any time where there is a communication going on between you and someone who's dead, that's a hard line in scripture that we're in and that's why we can pray to Jesus because he is not dead, he was he is risen and and it's it's not something that there's cross over there and just for a practical standpoint, I can't imagine 27:09.926 --> 27:13.892 [SPEAKER_00]: passing away and then constantly having to like all I do and eternity is bigger. 27:13.952 --> 27:16.015 [SPEAKER_00]: But in those things, they're having to pray for people. 27:16.055 --> 27:24.367 [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, besides that, just any time we're trying to communicate with someone who is dead, that is that's a hard line that God gives us in scripture. 27:24.988 --> 27:27.349 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes, no, yes, exactly. 27:27.790 --> 27:42.538 [SPEAKER_01]: And November 2nd, which is all souls day, which is also related to the day of the dead is is devoted to pray for the faithful faithfully departed, which you're praying for people that have already died, which. 27:43.718 --> 27:46.660 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not supposed to I mean that that's not helpful. 27:46.680 --> 27:50.963 [SPEAKER_01]: You that there got already has them like that's not you you can't do that. 27:51.103 --> 28:02.230 [SPEAKER_01]: Especially those undergoing purification Some people call that purgatory and then you're focusing and wanting God to bring those that are dead to heaven. 28:02.410 --> 28:09.674 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I can I can understand You're like gosh their life was so crazy like but I think 28:10.715 --> 28:14.978 [SPEAKER_01]: a better way to do that would just be like Lord, I trust you with their soul. 28:15.099 --> 28:16.319 [SPEAKER_01]: I thank you for their life. 28:17.060 --> 28:24.366 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, knowing that God is merciful and good and God knows everybody's hearts. 28:24.986 --> 28:26.167 [SPEAKER_01]: And he loves everybody. 28:26.207 --> 28:38.537 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's really important when we're asking these questions of what happened to my departed love one is we need to be praying to God not to not to our dead ancestors, but just saying, 28:39.217 --> 28:41.298 [SPEAKER_01]: God, I just praise you for their life. 28:41.658 --> 28:43.980 [SPEAKER_01]: I just list them. 28:44.000 --> 28:53.365 [SPEAKER_01]: I not lift them up to you, but I just know that you're God in control and you're omniscience and I don't there are things that God knows that we do not know. 28:54.245 --> 29:07.553 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that knowing that God is sovereign is gives me peace when I think about people that have died that I don't know, but God knows everything and so that is what gives me peace. 29:08.307 --> 29:08.527 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 29:09.147 --> 29:13.269 [SPEAKER_00]: So if in case people are wondering what versus I'm going to say, since I said, this is a hard line. 29:13.349 --> 29:18.552 [SPEAKER_00]: So due to around the 1810 through 12 says, let in this, you know, has several different things. 29:18.592 --> 29:22.914 [SPEAKER_00]: So let no one be found to know you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire. 29:22.974 --> 29:24.695 [SPEAKER_00]: This was sacrificed twice as tomorrow. 29:25.155 --> 29:34.322 [SPEAKER_00]: who practices divination or engages in with witchcraft, who interprets omens or engages in necromancy or calls up the dead. 29:34.823 --> 29:37.725 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyone who does these things is a detestable to the Lord. 29:37.765 --> 29:40.047 [SPEAKER_00]: So we cannot do anything that's calling out to the dead. 29:40.067 --> 29:51.576 [SPEAKER_00]: And if we weren't sure about that, it's like we actually see Saul do this once where he's calling on to try to talk to Samuel who had since passed, 29:52.336 --> 30:02.181 [SPEAKER_00]: And it says, when someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritualists who whisper and mutters should not a people inquire of their God, why consult the dead on the half of the living? 30:02.221 --> 30:03.422 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's where it's clear. 30:03.542 --> 30:07.184 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't go to the dead on behalf of the living. 30:08.504 --> 30:11.986 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a hard line that we have in scripture that we cannot do. 30:12.246 --> 30:12.446 [SPEAKER_00]: And the 30:14.766 --> 30:35.590 [SPEAKER_00]: way that it looked so innocent and the way that it looked so attractive and the way that it looked so honoring and good in the movie is like anything that makes something that attractive is something that kids even though they know are not supposed to do that they'll say oh maybe I'm just pretending or I'm just it's still practicing like you know thinking it even if you're 30:39.551 --> 30:47.835 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, that's just not not something you want to get that habit of doing because remember something might answer you and the thing that answers you is not your great-grandmother. 30:48.475 --> 30:49.796 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's very true. 30:50.536 --> 30:55.218 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, the spirit, the spirit animals were also problematic. 30:56.139 --> 30:58.760 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I do got picture of one of them. 30:58.880 --> 31:03.262 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was interesting how these were supposed to be like the spirit guys that were there to help you, but 31:04.142 --> 31:09.446 [SPEAKER_00]: It kind of revealed these things aren't demonic, like the one that that one aunt had. 31:09.466 --> 31:17.110 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me see, I took, I actually took a picture of this last night because I was like, I need to get a picture of this to show how I mean it really. 31:17.130 --> 31:22.254 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's what it looks like. 31:22.314 --> 31:26.757 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that from far away, and you know, with the shadow, it really is kind of demonic. 31:27.557 --> 31:30.922 [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, that's exactly what I would expect a demon to look like. 31:31.103 --> 31:37.712 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but do you know that I did look this up, that the hairless Mexican dog, it's got a name with an accident that I can't pronounce. 31:37.973 --> 31:39.615 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a show. 31:39.635 --> 31:41.758 [SPEAKER_00]: No, he needs quarantine. 31:42.780 --> 31:44.201 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's not it. 31:44.422 --> 31:46.044 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm sure as you tried your best. 31:46.745 --> 31:50.129 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's actually pretty close enough though. 31:50.630 --> 31:58.660 [SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, but that they actually, that particular breed of dog is considered to be a spirit guide, for helping souls cross over. 31:58.720 --> 31:59.761 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, they even win. 32:00.422 --> 32:06.284 [SPEAKER_00]: sometimes bury people with one of these dogs or the head of one of these dogs or a figurine of one of these dogs. 32:06.364 --> 32:15.707 [SPEAKER_00]: So, but I mean even even something like that, I mean the dog he reminded me of hey hey from Moana where he was just so dumb but lovable. 32:17.007 --> 32:21.028 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, that's one of the things that I think tries to trap people in. 32:21.628 --> 32:24.289 [SPEAKER_00]: It reminds me, did you ever see them maybe the golden compass? 32:24.649 --> 32:26.730 [SPEAKER_00]: If not, we need to do that when it's something like that. 32:27.330 --> 32:30.613 [SPEAKER_00]: So the golden compass was meant to be an anti-nernium. 32:30.633 --> 32:35.356 [SPEAKER_00]: It was supposed to be like an atheistic version of Nernian. 32:35.757 --> 32:40.641 [SPEAKER_00]: And what they do is they have these little creatures that are with them all the times and they call them their demons. 32:41.573 --> 32:51.059 [SPEAKER_00]: It's called their demon and it's like a little cute little monkey or cute little dog and and whatever you do to the demon you do to the person's basically like like a disembodied soul that they have there. 32:52.620 --> 33:03.807 [SPEAKER_00]: But I can't imagine the number of kids that are like I don't even you know like even if they say that in essence you don't know what is being implanted in the mind and so kids are like I don't want to spirit guide it's like no sweet. 33:04.587 --> 33:09.770 [SPEAKER_00]: Spareguides are real, not like what you think they're not really there to guide your spirit. 33:09.810 --> 33:19.355 [SPEAKER_00]: They're there to entrap your spirit into the CV and whole deep passage, basically, and then take you down the path of darkness, but it's making these things attractive to kids. 33:20.335 --> 33:23.117 [SPEAKER_00]: These very real spiritual entities attractive to kids. 33:23.758 --> 33:32.664 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I think, I don't know, it's so, it's so hard because a lot of families have already watched Coca-Cola, mining, food in, full disclosure. 33:32.764 --> 33:45.232 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, where I, we do not want to be sending people into a shame spiral thinking, yeah, I have ruined my children in my childhood, I ended up in witchcraft because we watched the matter. 33:45.452 --> 33:49.055 [SPEAKER_01]: We have watched Coca-Cola, like, one, also like, 33:49.775 --> 33:53.296 [SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be a ride at Disneyland, and my family will be going on it. 33:53.896 --> 34:05.578 [SPEAKER_01]: But when it comes out, but I think having these deep conversations, so I'm so grateful that we're doing this podcast to open up what can we do? 34:05.618 --> 34:06.798 [SPEAKER_01]: What can we talk about? 34:06.878 --> 34:10.919 [SPEAKER_01]: The whole idea of what the afterlife looks like? 34:11.599 --> 34:13.499 [SPEAKER_01]: That one's really interesting too. 34:14.019 --> 34:17.460 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I'm so grateful to have watched it the second time with new eyes. 34:18.360 --> 34:24.262 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because I thought, oh my goodness, I am grateful as much as I loved Disneyland. 34:24.722 --> 34:33.165 [SPEAKER_01]: I do not want to have to stand in that line and take my picture and go through the turn style, which is what they found. 34:33.405 --> 34:34.786 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you bring up a good point. 34:34.806 --> 34:36.226 [SPEAKER_00]: We should have had that in sites. 34:36.286 --> 34:40.088 [SPEAKER_00]: This really does usher in good conversations about 34:40.868 --> 34:55.239 [SPEAKER_00]: What is the after life because that is something that we can't agree on is that there is life after death that the death is it not the final thing in fact there was a one of the characters in there said, like basically when the last person who's alive. 34:56.121 --> 34:56.981 [SPEAKER_00]: remembers you. 34:57.601 --> 34:59.022 [SPEAKER_00]: That's when you disappear here. 34:59.082 --> 35:00.222 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the final death. 35:00.522 --> 35:05.983 [SPEAKER_00]: And we look at the final death God describes like even that phrasing the final death the second death is being different. 35:06.003 --> 35:16.166 [SPEAKER_00]: The second death is when souls are being thrown into hell or like a fire and basically that's when you know you go somewhere for all it be turned to is an eternal death or is an eternal life. 35:17.547 --> 35:19.528 [SPEAKER_00]: It can start out with some of these conversations. 35:19.588 --> 35:26.834 [SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that you know what is cool and that spirit talent was like, Heavens can be even better than that. 35:27.915 --> 35:38.602 [SPEAKER_00]: And just getting them excited for heaven because if we don't understand why we are doing everything we do here if Heaven is not real to us, the Christian life will not make sense. 35:38.663 --> 35:44.527 [SPEAKER_00]: We have to have a view of eternity in order to understand why we give up stuff in this present life. 35:46.168 --> 36:03.558 [SPEAKER_00]: martyrs that are like hunter down in their basements, waiting for people to come and someone's on the phone and can hear the gunshots coming from far away and they can hear the the people there in their church singing hymns until everything goes quiet because they are looking for a country that is not their own. 36:04.619 --> 36:12.563 [SPEAKER_00]: We need to be cultivating a robust idea of heaven in our children and so even having things that bring up that conversation like you said on 36:15.645 --> 36:16.945 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's it's so true. 36:17.005 --> 36:19.386 [SPEAKER_01]: I pulled up John 14 133. 36:19.466 --> 36:21.266 [SPEAKER_01]: Do not let your hearts be troubled. 36:21.306 --> 36:22.206 [SPEAKER_01]: You believe in God. 36:22.246 --> 36:23.386 [SPEAKER_01]: Believe also in me. 36:23.467 --> 36:25.367 [SPEAKER_01]: My father's house has many rooms. 36:25.847 --> 36:32.408 [SPEAKER_01]: If that were not so I would I have told you that I'm back here to prepare a place for you. 36:32.728 --> 36:39.029 [SPEAKER_01]: And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you may also be where I am. 36:39.169 --> 36:40.470 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know that that 36:42.030 --> 36:56.938 [SPEAKER_01]: in my father's house, give me that song, yeah, yeah, yeah, a gentleman, that song, it's a big, big house, yes, then my dad wants to have room, I love that song. 36:56.958 --> 36:58.679 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so funny and it's definitely 37:09.450 --> 37:13.911 [SPEAKER_01]: One of my close friends died in a car accident last week. 37:13.931 --> 37:29.735 [SPEAKER_01]: And she has three on kids, and it was not expected, but I know that she's dancing on the streets that are golden right now, and I have that hope and that knowledge for my friend and for her family to know where she is. 37:29.875 --> 37:30.795 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think, 37:31.895 --> 37:38.440 [SPEAKER_01]: watching, you know, if you've watched Coco just to have these conversations, it's so much better than that. 37:38.500 --> 37:40.002 [SPEAKER_01]: And God does have 37:41.398 --> 37:47.139 [SPEAKER_01]: such big print and we need to not we don't need to pray to our ancestors who are fallen and maybe a murderer. 37:47.159 --> 38:01.383 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I mean we need to pray to God who is perfect and holy and loves us unconditionally and when we're so broken hearted when we have lost our friends and family. 38:02.423 --> 38:22.267 [SPEAKER_01]: to give that pain to God and know that he has, he knows them and he loves them and he has their eternal destination and that's not something that we can control because I also even thought gosh like that's a lot of pressure to remember every ancestor you've ever had or the disapear. 38:22.367 --> 38:25.388 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought my gosh what about before there was photography. 38:31.989 --> 38:39.835 [SPEAKER_01]: for me personally, as much as I could want my kids to remember how much I love Disney land and I love children's books and I love fun. 38:39.855 --> 38:47.340 [SPEAKER_01]: I want my legacy to be know my mom loved the Lord with our heart, my soul and spirit and she loved her neighbors. 38:47.900 --> 38:50.522 [SPEAKER_01]: You're sweet and truly that's what I want. 38:50.723 --> 38:57.587 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the legacy I want to leave to my kids to point them to Jesus and not point them back to me. 39:02.637 --> 39:06.841 [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus is who I want my kids to remember in me, not me. 39:08.082 --> 39:08.322 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 39:10.804 --> 39:17.650 [SPEAKER_00]: So clearly we had a lot of issues with the movie just because this really was a celebration of a lot of things that are demonic. 39:17.670 --> 39:25.116 [SPEAKER_00]: We want to be able to separate what is part of his span of culture, the fun, the music, the food, the bright colors. 39:27.207 --> 39:49.997 [SPEAKER_00]: the dance, all of the things we want to celebrate that, but then be able to separate it from the spiritual aspects of it that are taking place in that culture and saying, no, every culture, every single culture has some kind of dark demonic practice because you're going to have people that don't have that had folk when you say folk religion, basically in every 39:50.977 --> 39:54.320 [SPEAKER_00]: everywhere except from the Jews who basically go back to the time of Abraham. 39:54.720 --> 40:00.024 [SPEAKER_00]: But even they got off tracking kept worshiping all these other gods on a regular basis. 40:00.504 --> 40:05.768 [SPEAKER_00]: And so there's a reason why we're reminded don't go back into that. 40:05.948 --> 40:08.971 [SPEAKER_00]: So we can recognize the issues for parents who really don't 40:12.253 --> 40:14.414 [SPEAKER_00]: parts are going to be turned towards that. 40:14.494 --> 40:18.576 [SPEAKER_00]: If they've already seen it, I think it's worth watching again so that you can have these conversations. 40:19.076 --> 40:25.339 [SPEAKER_00]: If they haven't seen it, just said like, you know what, that's not the kind of maybe we watch when you're older, we can discuss it. 40:25.759 --> 40:29.380 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, like I think I would be very careful to show my children that. 40:29.420 --> 40:34.182 [SPEAKER_00]: But let's talk about what are some number one invitations for conversations to have with kids. 40:34.202 --> 40:36.964 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we identified one of them in this, which was 40:40.445 --> 41:00.187 [SPEAKER_00]: And then kind of we could go a little bit more into the importance of families since we have lost that in our civilization like even people if we want to get political on this when people are like saying Boo you shouldn't be America first I'm like It's that's what our sphere influences it's like I should be my family first that doesn't mean I'm out or hurt 41:00.928 --> 41:10.941 [SPEAKER_00]: Other families, it means that that's my primary responsibility and that extends to extended family and that extends to my church and to my community and that extends to my state. 41:11.061 --> 41:11.381 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like 41:12.540 --> 41:32.606 [SPEAKER_00]: You're you're expanding spheres of authority you should you should take some most care of what who is directly underneath you and that's not a bad thing and I think culture right now is trying to tell our kids that's a bad thing especially in fact they're they're they've got a label full what happens when we try to give our family the best they call that privilege and we're supposed to reject our privilege. 41:34.347 --> 41:44.290 [SPEAKER_00]: instead of embracing what the Lord's been given us being a good steward of what we've been given and then cultivating our children to the best of our ability with the resources we've been given. 41:46.171 --> 41:50.112 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I guess that's another conversation because that's not intuitive anymore to put family first. 41:50.592 --> 41:50.832 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 41:51.452 --> 41:52.412 [SPEAKER_01]: No, that's very true. 41:52.493 --> 41:53.273 [SPEAKER_01]: I love what you're saying. 41:54.313 --> 42:02.081 [SPEAKER_01]: talk about the afterlife, talk about honoring your family, and the big old eye identity again. 42:02.481 --> 42:03.683 [SPEAKER_01]: What is your identity? 42:03.743 --> 42:06.345 [SPEAKER_01]: Is your identity in being a musician? 42:06.365 --> 42:10.229 [SPEAKER_01]: Or is that just part of the gift that God has given you? 42:10.249 --> 42:12.391 [SPEAKER_01]: I think yeah, that's an important 42:12.992 --> 42:16.373 [SPEAKER_01]: conversation to have, what gifts has God given you? 42:16.773 --> 42:19.933 [SPEAKER_01]: What are things that we can cultivate and as parents? 42:19.993 --> 42:28.255 [SPEAKER_01]: How can we give our surrender our children's future to the Lord and not control what is going to happen? 42:28.315 --> 42:29.355 [SPEAKER_01]: We can't control anyway. 42:29.875 --> 42:33.056 [SPEAKER_01]: And when we can't, if no, we can't. 42:33.496 --> 42:41.258 [SPEAKER_01]: But when we try, it just creates such a barrier between you and your child and you and the Lord, because you're trying to be God in your child's life. 42:43.278 --> 42:45.499 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's really an important lesson. 42:45.519 --> 42:50.520 [SPEAKER_01]: My husband is always reminding me that God loves my child even more than I love him. 42:50.720 --> 42:51.480 [SPEAKER_01]: Love him in her. 42:52.180 --> 42:55.781 [SPEAKER_01]: God loves our children and he has a plan for them. 42:56.141 --> 43:00.822 [SPEAKER_01]: And as much as we want to pick and choose and control, we have to give it to him. 43:03.843 --> 43:14.032 [SPEAKER_00]: If we're going to be honest about trying to take control of things that only God has control over, that is at the heart of witchcraft, and that is at the heart. 43:14.112 --> 43:16.153 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the root of idolatry. 43:16.253 --> 43:19.256 [SPEAKER_00]: idolatry is saying, God's not going to give me the good things that I want. 43:19.276 --> 43:21.658 [SPEAKER_00]: So I need to pursue this other thing in order to have 43:22.078 --> 43:47.144 [SPEAKER_00]: The happiness and the blessing that I want and same thing for which craft which craft is I need a way to control my environment to control the spirits that are around me so that I can say so that I can have things that kind of do my bidding and I can have more control of things that are around me which honestly what is why I think a lot of women are very drawn to which craft is is because I think as women we do have that kind of hired like need for control. 43:52.485 --> 43:56.509 [SPEAKER_00]: We are smaller, and I say weaker, not in a bad way. 43:56.569 --> 44:04.015 [SPEAKER_00]: I say weaker as in your tea cup of your grandmother's there is weaker than your child's sippy cup. 44:04.795 --> 44:09.639 [SPEAKER_00]: Your child can drop that sippy cup on the floor all day long and it will be fine. 44:10.139 --> 44:18.866 [SPEAKER_00]: You cannot drop that tea cup on the floor all day long, so it is not, it is not a bad thing to be the weaker, more delicate vessel and that really it kind of is what we are. 44:18.926 --> 44:20.388 [SPEAKER_00]: So we don't have a lot of power. 44:21.188 --> 44:38.036 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, that grasping for power is at the root of almost every other kind of, yeah, all the things that we don't understand the idolatry and the, and the witch crap because I remember my nephew asking once he's like, what is that like, this, the, do you think you're, he knew his friend wasn't a Christian. 44:38.056 --> 44:41.898 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, you seem to have idol in their closet and my cousin's like, some media. 44:43.098 --> 44:47.742 [SPEAKER_00]: 99.9% sure that they don't have an idol that they're bowing down to in the closet. 44:48.162 --> 44:52.585 [SPEAKER_00]: So we don't really understand what does idoletry look like in this culture. 44:53.446 --> 45:00.651 [SPEAKER_00]: But it really is seeking for identity and seeking for something else to give us the good things that we want apart from God. 45:01.272 --> 45:01.992 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely. 45:02.693 --> 45:08.137 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would just say one more time if you when you if you've already seen it and you're watching it 45:09.438 --> 45:22.845 [SPEAKER_01]: I would just talk about all the beautiful things about the Mexican culture and the music and all the beauty and then talk about the things that are bad as well because if you just are like, Cogo is bad. 45:24.205 --> 45:28.507 [SPEAKER_01]: Your kid is going to push back on that because they're like, well, this 45:33.830 --> 45:46.900 [SPEAKER_01]: Just finding other things in it to celebrate while at the same time calling out the idol worship and the worshiping and praying to ancestors and not putting God first. 45:47.100 --> 45:57.709 [SPEAKER_01]: I think these are really important lessons that you want to reiterate to your kids because it a lot of children especially at their different developmental age. 45:58.269 --> 46:00.731 [SPEAKER_01]: They look at everything as back in white and 46:02.576 --> 46:10.539 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, we don't want to give them the message that this culture is all bad, yes, absolutely. 46:10.559 --> 46:16.640 [SPEAKER_00]: We do not ever want to give them that's just that this culture is bad because we have plenty of stupid stuff in our culture. 46:16.721 --> 46:20.842 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, heck, we exported, they watched a Germany for like 20 years. 46:22.077 --> 46:50.586 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not where American culture is so well, I think that that kind of wraps up our discussion on cocoa again this this this podcast does not recommend it does not endorse any movies but If your children have already watched it or they plan on watching it again, it is very important to have conversations with them regarding the things that they see in the movie because you never know what they're accidentally picking up on what it's like when you have something good like learning about another culture and they think oh everything 46:51.606 --> 46:56.353 [SPEAKER_00]: must be good, must be safe, and then they start playing around with things that they really have no business playing around with. 46:56.573 --> 46:59.157 [SPEAKER_00]: So, thanks for listening to us. 46:59.237 --> 47:05.365 [SPEAKER_00]: We are going to be getting back with you later on the months for another Mama Bear News Mama Bear News even in it. 47:05.866 --> 47:06.126 [SPEAKER_00]: So,