WEBVTT 00:13.357 --> 00:15.799 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, welcome back to another episode of Friends From Work. 00:15.899 --> 00:26.484 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a podcast about all things in the Marvel Cinematic Universe and it's a podcast that's hosted by myself, Kyle Skonewil and my longtime friend, From Work, Robbie Earl. 00:27.476 --> 00:35.039 [SPEAKER_00]: We are in New York City right now, if you're listening to this, New York City at Comic Con comes say high to us. 00:35.239 --> 00:36.400 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not that complicated. 00:36.880 --> 00:37.860 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at our faces right here. 00:38.561 --> 00:40.862 [SPEAKER_00]: If you see them in New York, say high. 00:41.482 --> 00:43.603 [SPEAKER_00]: And where your friends from work merch, you'll make it easier for us. 00:44.983 --> 00:48.004 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll joke aside, I'm excited for this trip, Rob. 00:48.845 --> 00:49.745 [SPEAKER_00]: I think New York's gonna be fun. 00:50.345 --> 00:52.246 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're a veteran of New York Comic Con. 00:52.326 --> 00:52.927 [SPEAKER_00]: It's my first time. 00:53.847 --> 00:55.207 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, third time. 00:57.330 --> 01:01.531 [SPEAKER_01]: I was I was really hoping that I would that I would work out this year. 01:01.551 --> 01:12.273 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you know, I would just talk about how it's October is always, uh, like a wild month, especially because Candice does event stuff and they will. 01:12.333 --> 01:14.073 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like we have ACL and October. 01:14.094 --> 01:20.755 [SPEAKER_01]: We have like the F1 stuff, uh, and October, and there's always like a bunch of, uh, 01:21.415 --> 01:26.800 [SPEAKER_01]: like the UTOU game is often in October, anyway. 01:27.241 --> 01:28.702 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's the greatest month. 01:29.563 --> 01:30.464 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's a good month. 01:31.405 --> 01:38.232 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, some decent people were born in October including my daughter actually. 01:39.994 --> 01:43.057 [SPEAKER_01]: So you, you guys holding down October. 01:43.912 --> 01:47.374 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, but no, I'm actually it's funny. 01:47.394 --> 01:49.194 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just in San Diego this weekend. 01:50.595 --> 01:51.816 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's where your work trip was. 01:51.856 --> 01:52.856 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where the work trip was. 01:52.916 --> 02:03.461 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I was thinking about, you know, being in San Diego on the on the eve of going to New York for Comic Con whenever I did not go to San Diego for Comic Con this year. 02:03.621 --> 02:04.601 [SPEAKER_00]: And you did I miss you there. 02:04.741 --> 02:07.923 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was funny though because 02:08.883 --> 02:18.149 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe like, I, this cannot have been the case for that many times in history, but it was hotter in San Diego, this weekend than it was in Austin, Texas. 02:18.390 --> 02:18.910 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's weird. 02:19.330 --> 02:21.552 [SPEAKER_01]: There was some kind of weird little heat wave thing that came in. 02:22.332 --> 02:31.899 [SPEAKER_01]: All this to say, I, one of the reasons I love New York Comic Con is because New York in the fall. 02:32.419 --> 02:33.280 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you peep the weather? 02:33.977 --> 02:34.318 [SPEAKER_01]: I did. 02:34.738 --> 02:35.019 [SPEAKER_01]: I did. 02:35.159 --> 02:36.662 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I have 68. 02:36.762 --> 02:39.386 [SPEAKER_01]: It's my, like, that sunny every day. 02:40.048 --> 02:46.218 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, if, if it was always that temperature, if it never got higher than that temperature, 02:47.373 --> 03:10.991 [SPEAKER_01]: I would be so happy you live in the wrong spot that I know absolutely the wrong spot and everybody's always like oh but like what about just like a good like pull day and I'm like that's I can go somewhere and get that as much as I need that okay but if my just so anyway New York is uh and in October I think that that that 03:12.348 --> 03:16.309 [SPEAKER_01]: is to me that like the best possible time to be in that city. 03:16.869 --> 03:20.090 [SPEAKER_01]: And there are some fun stuff happening in New York, Comacon this year. 03:20.830 --> 03:24.151 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm going to say, we've teased this for a few weeks. 03:24.451 --> 03:27.231 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're listening to this, I hope it's already happened. 03:27.311 --> 03:33.393 [SPEAKER_00]: But Robbie and I are going out there to do a little bit of press for vision quest. 03:37.064 --> 03:40.788 [SPEAKER_00]: Once it happens, I'll make a bigger deal of it, but that's part of the reason we're going out there. 03:40.928 --> 03:42.429 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're so ecstatic. 03:42.590 --> 03:46.033 [SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be so much more talk to a few people from that show. 03:47.714 --> 03:53.740 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Marvel TV has a panel on Thursday at, I think, like, two o'clock or something. 03:53.820 --> 03:57.264 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm attending a whale fall panel as press on Friday. 03:57.324 --> 04:01.067 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're attending a Marvel Comics panel on Friday. 04:01.107 --> 04:01.288 [SPEAKER_00]: So, 04:01.888 --> 04:06.974 [SPEAKER_00]: not only are we going for fun we're also going to get some stuff done and there's some exciting stuff that's going to come from that. 04:07.814 --> 04:11.819 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so absurdly excited about the whalefall movie. 04:12.438 --> 04:14.619 [SPEAKER_00]: Really see I'm not that excited about it. 04:14.659 --> 04:16.240 [SPEAKER_00]: I know I'm the one going to the panel. 04:16.320 --> 04:18.561 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I have no idea if it's going to be good at all. 04:18.821 --> 04:25.824 [SPEAKER_01]: I just I kind of I saw the first trailer and was just so immediately intrigued. 04:26.684 --> 04:29.165 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, there's Josh Berlin, which is. 04:29.265 --> 04:31.186 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going because Josh, Roland's there. 04:31.386 --> 04:31.826 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, record. 04:32.006 --> 04:32.206 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 04:32.947 --> 04:36.728 [SPEAKER_00]: Just because if I get a chance to talk to him, I could sneak a Thanos question in here or there. 04:37.409 --> 04:39.109 [SPEAKER_01]: There are, yeah, there's a. 04:40.670 --> 04:54.071 [SPEAKER_01]: A big Marvel TV panel, and like we've talked about there, I've been some Marvel comics updates this year, actually just today they announced that they are 04:56.111 --> 04:59.993 [SPEAKER_01]: Sunsetting Marvel Unlimited, which is their comment. 05:00.013 --> 05:05.034 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the comics reading app that's been going for probably a decade now. 05:06.035 --> 05:11.417 [SPEAKER_01]: And they are doing a new partnership with WebTunes. 05:11.897 --> 05:13.438 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think 05:15.431 --> 05:30.371 [SPEAKER_01]: They're just all these signals from the Marvel comic side of things that they are making some big changes, and I think they are intentionally using your Comic Con to launch a lot of those, like they're actually dedicating a whole booth. 05:31.533 --> 05:36.656 [SPEAKER_01]: to letting folks try out the new app exclusively at New York Comic Con. 05:36.696 --> 05:41.940 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that they're really trying to kind of make this a pivot point for Marvel Comics. 05:43.301 --> 05:51.606 [SPEAKER_01]: And then yeah, I'm curious too on the TV site because we've heard so many different things about what they're doing and not doing moving forward. 05:51.646 --> 05:53.487 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we talked about an episode or two ago. 05:53.567 --> 05:59.351 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think there will be some fun stuff to report afterwards. 06:02.040 --> 06:03.718 [SPEAKER_01]: We started doing all this, the press stuff. 06:06.411 --> 06:10.272 [SPEAKER_01]: right after or in the thick of the pandemic. 06:11.112 --> 06:21.055 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's it's just weird that as many folks as we've gotten to sit down with, it's just rarely made sense to do those things in person. 06:21.755 --> 06:28.977 [SPEAKER_01]: So it is fun to be able to actually go and sit down with folks in a room for once. 06:29.017 --> 06:31.558 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we've never done it, right? 06:31.578 --> 06:31.758 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 06:33.078 --> 06:36.281 [SPEAKER_00]: You and I are also just not together that often so anytime we get to be other. 06:36.301 --> 06:38.843 [SPEAKER_00]: It's extra fun Two plugs on that note. 06:39.163 --> 06:44.887 [SPEAKER_00]: I got this in the mail This is Avengers by Jonathan Hickman volume 2. 06:45.488 --> 06:50.492 [SPEAKER_00]: We did an episode for Marvel Comics 101 Where I'm going through this in preparation for secret wars 06:51.392 --> 06:54.555 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, on friends from work plus, so check that out, consider subscribing. 06:54.835 --> 06:55.676 [SPEAKER_00]: That was a fun episode. 06:55.816 --> 06:59.340 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be reading a lot of this on my flight over to New York. 07:00.060 --> 07:05.665 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so again, if you want to read along with us, or this is your first time doing comics, this is the volume we're going to be covering, volume two. 07:06.266 --> 07:10.630 [SPEAKER_00]: by Jonathan Hickman, that's the next stop on our comics journey. 07:10.970 --> 07:15.054 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I'll also say, today we're going to be talking about some of our favorite kind of episode. 07:15.074 --> 07:20.118 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a saga so far episode for Vision Quest, but I also made another screen recap video. 07:20.158 --> 07:28.986 [SPEAKER_00]: A six minute video that's out today covering everything you need to know about Vision and Ultron before the start. 07:29.046 --> 07:31.388 [SPEAKER_00]: And I got to say, I won't say anything about this. 07:31.508 --> 07:33.310 [SPEAKER_00]: I have watched four episodes of Vision Quest. 07:33.570 --> 07:34.030 [SPEAKER_00]: have you watched. 07:34.210 --> 07:36.312 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I didn't realize that. 07:37.773 --> 07:38.553 [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't supposed to. 07:38.873 --> 07:39.614 [SPEAKER_00]: I broke the rules. 07:40.074 --> 07:40.995 [SPEAKER_00]: I've watched four of them. 07:41.135 --> 07:44.317 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pausing it for so the back four I'll be weak to weak. 07:44.737 --> 07:45.838 [SPEAKER_00]: Couple things on vision quest. 07:45.958 --> 07:48.880 [SPEAKER_00]: It's longer than we're used to, which is great eight episodes. 07:49.280 --> 07:53.603 [SPEAKER_00]: that are 50 minutes plus including a couple over an hour towards the finale. 07:53.623 --> 08:01.669 [SPEAKER_00]: So just in general, you know, we were in the six episode rhythm and then with wanted to vision or the longer episodic type things, they were shorter episodes. 08:02.110 --> 08:15.340 [SPEAKER_00]: This is longer episodes with a longer runtime, but also they basically start vision quest with some kind of version of what I made already, almost essentially. 08:15.520 --> 08:16.220 [SPEAKER_01]: So interesting. 08:18.585 --> 08:21.708 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're behind, watch my video because you're seeing. 08:21.768 --> 08:22.469 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's cool. 08:22.689 --> 08:30.676 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's very similar to what I made almost, I mean, almost exactly is it like a previously on separate thing or is that part of the first episode. 08:30.816 --> 08:32.998 [SPEAKER_00]: It's vision narrating it essentially. 08:33.398 --> 08:33.679 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 08:33.959 --> 08:34.219 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 08:34.239 --> 08:36.541 [SPEAKER_01]: So almost like the start of like love and thunder. 08:38.163 --> 08:40.385 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, exactly not not a joke. 08:40.405 --> 08:42.006 [SPEAKER_00]: He obviously, what he's narrating. 08:44.391 --> 08:59.807 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, it's just, it's what the thought was well timed is my point because I had the same thought that the makers of vision quest did, which if you haven't thought a lot about vision or Ultron specifically since 2015, it'd be good to get a refresher. 09:00.328 --> 09:01.829 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's definitely going to be, 09:02.730 --> 09:03.851 [SPEAKER_00]: one division tie-ins. 09:04.452 --> 09:06.053 [SPEAKER_00]: In general, again, no spoilers. 09:06.233 --> 09:16.581 [SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of tie-ins, not like major plots, but there's a lot of references drop to projects and names, and so it doesn't hurt to get your mind reset. 09:16.942 --> 09:18.863 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's where we're here for today. 09:18.903 --> 09:23.447 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk on a longer form version of what I did in that video, essentially. 09:25.123 --> 09:27.785 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know when the embargo is. 09:28.145 --> 09:34.269 [SPEAKER_01]: I assume, uh, it has the reaction in Vargo and Vargo pass but at the time we're having this episode. 09:35.070 --> 09:37.952 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the embargo is like, I want to say the ninth or the tenth. 09:38.372 --> 09:39.433 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, don't quote me on that though. 09:39.613 --> 09:41.554 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I'm just, I'm going to shut up for a second. 09:41.594 --> 09:41.815 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 09:43.376 --> 09:43.536 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 09:43.716 --> 09:44.456 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay. 09:45.057 --> 09:45.937 [SPEAKER_00]: Vision Quest. 09:47.478 --> 09:51.241 [SPEAKER_00]: A story that's going to follow Vision, Ultron, 09:54.338 --> 09:55.360 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't even know you say that. 09:56.222 --> 09:58.226 [SPEAKER_00]: A story that's going to follow, oh, go ahead. 09:58.822 --> 10:06.225 [SPEAKER_01]: I, as someone that hasn't seen it, I can maybe safely say what I believe we're supposed to think. 10:06.765 --> 10:07.346 [SPEAKER_01]: I will follow. 10:07.366 --> 10:08.046 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 10:08.066 --> 10:08.766 [SPEAKER_00]: Three, two, one. 10:08.886 --> 10:09.547 [SPEAKER_00]: Robby goes. 10:09.807 --> 10:12.088 [SPEAKER_00]: You say vision. 10:12.228 --> 10:25.914 [SPEAKER_01]: My understanding is it, it's sort of vision trying to reclaim his sense of self after the events of infinity, word, motivation, and that that involves him. 10:27.054 --> 10:40.920 [SPEAKER_01]: consulting with the various AI personas that Tony Stark has invented or that are connected to vision slash Jarvis. 10:41.681 --> 10:47.243 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're introduced to vision all the way back in 2015, Avengers, Age of Ultron. 10:47.704 --> 10:49.164 [SPEAKER_00]: Couple interesting things to note here. 10:49.344 --> 10:50.165 [SPEAKER_00]: Tony Stark, 10:51.037 --> 10:55.720 [SPEAKER_00]: is working on creating some kind of defense system for the planet. 10:56.080 --> 11:04.846 [SPEAKER_00]: It ends up becoming very important around the infinity war and game era, because the defense system doesn't get fully realized how he thought it could. 11:05.507 --> 11:11.331 [SPEAKER_00]: But as part of that, he's creating a bunch of robots, essentially like a robot army, not army. 11:11.351 --> 11:14.173 [SPEAKER_00]: They're just there to help and like damage control, essentially. 11:15.873 --> 11:22.415 [SPEAKER_00]: They also at the same time have the septer, Loki septer, which inside of it contains the mindstone. 11:23.235 --> 11:35.778 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is all stemming really because he gets a vision that Wanda actually puts in his head of all of his friends dying, saying you could have done more, so he takes that literally and tries to invent this army. 11:36.538 --> 11:41.060 [SPEAKER_00]: And he has this idea for the Ultron program, by the way, which is not evil in his mind. 11:41.280 --> 11:42.800 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just Robots helping out. 11:43.249 --> 11:47.330 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I think that the Iron Legion had existed. 11:47.350 --> 12:08.157 [SPEAKER_01]: I think since the kind of post Iron Man 3 era, and you get the sense he and Bruce have talked about Ultron as a dream scenario, and then I think Wanda's vision that she plants, and then actually having the mind stone to tinker with after the, 12:11.498 --> 12:19.274 [SPEAKER_01]: height or take down at the start of age of bulltron, then allows Bruce and Tony to spend a couple of days doing that sign to stuff. 12:20.087 --> 12:29.489 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they basically figure out that the mind stone is kind of living and breathing in it of itself and that it's more powerful than Jarvis, which is Tony's AI, which remember that name. 12:31.189 --> 12:35.630 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it kind of accidentally takes over, right? 12:35.750 --> 12:45.332 [SPEAKER_00]: It goes out of control and Ultron kind of takes over Jarvis if you will and starts inhabiting the internet and things like the Iron Legion. 12:45.612 --> 12:48.333 [SPEAKER_00]: And so now Jarvis is gone. 12:49.414 --> 12:54.721 [SPEAKER_00]: All-Tron can control these robots, and now is access to all things digital. 12:55.081 --> 13:01.970 [SPEAKER_00]: It is really interesting how, I don't know about you, in real life, I've been having a lot of these conversations. 13:02.230 --> 13:02.450 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 13:02.671 --> 13:06.896 [SPEAKER_00]: The moment we're in right now, this movie was made 12 years ago, but the moment we're in now, 13:07.848 --> 13:13.735 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a lot of talk about AI and like when is it going to go too far, you know, when will be out of our control, etc. 13:14.315 --> 13:19.781 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's also one of those, you know, life imitates art things where I 13:22.956 --> 13:33.545 [SPEAKER_01]: I think back to the first Iron Man, which I actually think is going to be another particularly pivotal project here. 13:34.366 --> 13:45.076 [SPEAKER_01]: And I laughed because we've seen that happening more and more with Iron Heart, you know, kind of going back to OG Iron Man stuff that you maybe thought had been dropped. 13:51.268 --> 14:03.914 [SPEAKER_01]: that in the same way that some of the Star Trek early Star Trek early Jetson stuff kind of informed what we thought the future should be and the sorts of things that we should be looking for. 14:03.934 --> 14:05.054 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, interesting. 14:05.875 --> 14:17.520 [SPEAKER_01]: Even if even if people didn't weren't even consciously recognizing that, you know, like whether or not the people that consciously invented whatever the first video chat was Skype, we're thinking of Star Trek. 14:19.252 --> 14:35.808 [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to not, you know, like that's just this this thing that then kind of enters the zeitgeist and I find myself thinking like even in brand new day when when the the movie kicks off and Peter is talking to is it easy. 14:39.929 --> 14:42.510 [SPEAKER_00]: Or am I in like, uh, that's Pokemon? 14:42.590 --> 14:43.350 [SPEAKER_00]: I've been walking now. 14:43.650 --> 14:50.371 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, no, I, uh, anyway, he's like talking to his AI in his suit that's less advanced. 14:51.771 --> 15:05.454 [SPEAKER_01]: And that recalls as much as brand new days doing a new thing apart from Tony Stark, some of those early conversations that you see between Tony and Jarvis, where he's very much just bouncing ideas off of him and working alongside of him and never typing anything. 15:05.474 --> 15:08.275 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's all just verbal and, like, 15:09.191 --> 15:18.209 [SPEAKER_01]: It's funny how it has really progressed in a way where that is kind of the flow now, like if if you 15:20.084 --> 15:24.345 [SPEAKER_01]: see how these agents work. 15:25.265 --> 15:29.106 [SPEAKER_01]: It is pretty similar to the way that it was imagined there. 15:29.226 --> 15:31.166 [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe that's just always how it was going to be. 15:31.526 --> 15:34.807 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's that was just them kind of getting ahead of it. 15:35.667 --> 15:40.168 [SPEAKER_01]: But it is, yeah, it's funny that it's not just an age of altering thing. 15:40.188 --> 15:45.369 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it goes all the way back to like that Jarvis concept. 15:46.320 --> 15:56.704 [SPEAKER_01]: Which, by the way, do you remember whenever the iPhone came out, or when Siri came out, they, um, I think there were some like early patches that would change it to sound like Jarvis? 15:58.205 --> 16:07.069 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like some apps, you could download or something, like it's just a, it's a funny thing that's kind of been in the DNA of the MCU from the very beginning. 16:07.616 --> 16:13.983 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a good call out because another thing that you should know for vision quest is that Tony Jarvis is not his first AI. 16:14.563 --> 16:15.965 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not his most evolved AI. 16:16.385 --> 16:23.572 [SPEAKER_00]: Tony has been messing with AI and robots since the beginning, including dumb E, the robot in the first Iron Man. 16:24.093 --> 16:25.214 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's one called U. 16:26.455 --> 16:34.739 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but since Jarvis becomes vision spoiler in a second, like that voice, um, he had to replace it with others. 16:34.759 --> 16:44.183 [SPEAKER_00]: So you see a tape of him putting in Friday and, um, Edith and all these other voices that become pivotal later, that's going to matter. 16:44.443 --> 16:45.083 [SPEAKER_00]: for vision. 16:45.224 --> 16:48.326 [SPEAKER_00]: So just know he's been messing with those AIs for a long time. 16:48.826 --> 17:01.455 [SPEAKER_00]: But an age of Ultron, Ultron becoming sentient realizes that his soul job is to protect humanity and he has decided that the way to protect him is that he needs to protect them from themselves. 17:01.895 --> 17:04.777 [SPEAKER_00]: AKA, they need to evolve or die. 17:05.637 --> 17:09.120 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the only way to really stop it because of all the horrors that humans have done. 17:09.500 --> 17:18.062 [SPEAKER_00]: So he decides to go rogue, essentially, and he's going to drop an asteroid basically on Earth and start over, which humans don't love. 17:18.522 --> 17:34.506 [SPEAKER_00]: But what's really interesting is at some point, Ultron becomes obsessed with evolving himself, his physical form, and he decides that he needs one kind of home-based body, even though he's connected via all the Wi-Fi stuff and all the internet and all the interwebs, he's connected all these things. 17:34.546 --> 17:38.647 [SPEAKER_00]: He wants one super-powered body that's made out of vibranium, 17:39.987 --> 17:41.209 [SPEAKER_00]: vision, if you will. 17:41.649 --> 17:46.754 [SPEAKER_00]: And so he starts implanting himself into this lifeless synthesoid. 17:47.314 --> 17:52.799 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, this is going to matter because part of Ultron gets implanted into vision. 17:54.120 --> 17:57.963 [SPEAKER_00]: But the transfer is stopped by the Avengers before it's complete. 17:59.124 --> 18:04.689 [SPEAKER_00]: And Tony Stark and Bruce Banner get access to this body now that has part of Ultron in it. 18:05.528 --> 18:17.371 [SPEAKER_00]: But find out that Jarvis is still alive and has been operating his protocols kind of underneath the hood the whole time and so instead of backing away Tony and Bruce have a chance to double down. 18:17.751 --> 18:22.052 [SPEAKER_00]: They have the sector again and they have this body that's being created. 18:22.452 --> 18:24.352 [SPEAKER_00]: Tony and Bruce decide they want to do it. 18:24.812 --> 18:27.173 [SPEAKER_00]: Create their vision, the version of all 18:29.313 --> 18:36.239 [SPEAKER_00]: and another really interesting variable in all this is that kind of while is all going on the rest of the Avengers don't agree with it except for Thor. 18:36.579 --> 18:39.322 [SPEAKER_00]: Thor gets a vision a lot of visions here. 18:39.802 --> 18:50.131 [SPEAKER_00]: Of the future and kind of decides that this is the right thing like the mindstone needs to be on our side and so he kind of comes in and helps create vision. 18:51.132 --> 18:57.057 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which again, Thor earlier in that movie is the one that's kind of the most 18:58.535 --> 18:59.157 [SPEAKER_01]: upset with. 18:59.658 --> 18:59.818 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 19:00.379 --> 19:00.920 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 19:01.161 --> 19:01.582 [SPEAKER_00]: Good call. 19:01.602 --> 19:04.308 [SPEAKER_00]: But and in one of the best scenes ever. 19:05.195 --> 19:06.877 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's so well created. 19:07.077 --> 19:17.827 [SPEAKER_00]: This one scene does so much lifting, pun intended, because they have this party sequence where they're talking about who can hold the hammer and it's nobody except for Thor about a lot. 19:17.887 --> 19:18.888 [SPEAKER_00]: No one can do it, no one can do it. 19:19.089 --> 19:20.730 [SPEAKER_00]: Only he who is worthy can do it, but what? 19:20.910 --> 19:21.671 [SPEAKER_00]: So they set that up. 19:22.192 --> 19:28.277 [SPEAKER_00]: And then in this moment where vision now comes to life, he looks like Paul Betney as a robot, comes to life. 19:28.998 --> 19:30.819 [SPEAKER_00]: They're debating, is this even a good thing? 19:30.859 --> 19:34.180 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, how do they know it's not Ultron now in a bad way? 19:34.601 --> 19:35.701 [SPEAKER_00]: How do they know it's going to be good? 19:35.721 --> 19:38.182 [SPEAKER_00]: So they're all standing around discussing, is he good, is he not? 19:38.282 --> 19:40.864 [SPEAKER_00]: And then vision is able to grab the hammer. 19:41.484 --> 19:50.828 [SPEAKER_00]: And as this beautiful scene of he passes the hammer to Thor, doesn't say anything, he doesn't know the back history of them talking about it, and all the Avengers is to immediately know, okay, this is legit. 19:52.349 --> 19:52.589 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 19:54.150 --> 19:54.650 [SPEAKER_00]: Love that scene. 19:56.395 --> 20:00.817 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I mean, and I also live the follow-up at the, at the end of the movie. 20:00.857 --> 20:02.557 [SPEAKER_01]: Keep it the hammer on an elevator. 20:02.577 --> 20:03.818 [SPEAKER_01]: Or later, it's not worthy. 20:05.858 --> 20:16.302 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's, you get, you get a, you get a bit of it there, but I think because of age of, because age of Ultron is a movie with so many moving pieces and 20:17.662 --> 20:32.990 [SPEAKER_01]: like you often get with second installments, it's doing a lot of kind of bridging work, which is why I think that movie improved so much after the Infinity saga was completed, even if it felt kind of overwhelming midway through. 20:34.071 --> 20:54.655 [SPEAKER_01]: Because of all that, I think it's worth noting that you're right, there are parts of Ultron that are in vision, then there are also pieces of Jarvis that are in vision, and he speaks with Jarvis's voice, Paul Bettany famously voiced Jarvis in four films, I think, 21:02.897 --> 21:28.963 [SPEAKER_01]: you later find out in an infinity war that, you know, they're all these kind of layers, like banner talks about how they're pieces of himself, they're pieces of Tony in there, they're pieces of as Guardian magic to some extent because of what Thor does to complete the process and the mind stone and the mind stone and so and then, you know, whatever other like even Jarvis himself, 21:29.843 --> 21:49.968 [SPEAKER_01]: Interestingly, is at least named after an actual Jarvis, the butler, which is a nod to the Avengers comics, but also to in the MCU to Peggy Carter to Agent Carter, where we we saw an actual Edwin Jarvis there. 21:50.068 --> 21:55.289 [SPEAKER_00]: So there and an end game, a little shout out to the OG Jarvis pulls up 22:00.350 --> 22:01.992 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's absolutely how it works. 22:02.792 --> 22:08.276 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, right-hand guy kind of the same way that Jarves the AI is for Tony. 22:08.736 --> 22:15.801 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and it appears that Tony has been using some kind of reference point for these AI's all along the way. 22:16.381 --> 22:18.582 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's not random that he named it Jarvis. 22:18.742 --> 22:18.983 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 22:19.243 --> 22:20.203 [SPEAKER_00]: It kind of after this guy. 22:21.324 --> 22:22.685 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, pay attention to that, too. 22:25.886 --> 22:39.440 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so anyways, Ultron then doesn't have that body, but he still thinks he can drop the asteroid, the Avengers end up stopping the asteroid from falling, but there is still a lot of damage that is done to Sikovia, this country, this city. 22:42.375 --> 22:44.356 [SPEAKER_00]: that does have lasting ramifications. 22:44.376 --> 22:49.119 [SPEAKER_00]: It has lasting ramifications for civil war and the Sokovia Accords. 22:49.239 --> 22:56.543 [SPEAKER_00]: And it has lasting ramifications for Wanda specifically because that's kind of that event Wanda's obviously grown by that specific event. 22:56.563 --> 23:06.149 [SPEAKER_00]: But Wanda is also from Sokovia and we see flashbacks to Sokovia being at war years earlier, years prior, and they're using stark weapons. 23:06.209 --> 23:08.210 [SPEAKER_00]: And so she already has kind of 23:09.571 --> 23:11.552 [SPEAKER_00]: a disposition to not like the Avengers. 23:11.932 --> 23:16.553 [SPEAKER_00]: And so this kind of sets this trauma going a certain way. 23:17.273 --> 23:17.873 [SPEAKER_00]: That's going to matter. 23:19.134 --> 23:27.156 [SPEAKER_01]: It's also worth noting because it becomes crucial in infinity 23:36.956 --> 23:59.832 [SPEAKER_01]: evolved however you think about it by her own encounter with the mindstone and so vision is is wearing the mindstone that's sort of what he's that that whole whatever he is he's been birthed primarily from the interaction between the mindstone and the synthesoid so 24:03.574 --> 24:12.340 [SPEAKER_01]: people that have that much of a, uh, like a, sorry, one or two. 24:13.741 --> 24:20.586 [SPEAKER_01]: They're like the only people who are rooted in that, uh, particular infinity stone in that way. 24:20.867 --> 24:30.173 [SPEAKER_01]: So not only do they kind of have this spark that you see for a second, an age of old drawn, but they also do have kind of this unique, 24:31.154 --> 24:45.771 [SPEAKER_01]: lineage, even though they are coming from such different places, mentally and emotionally, and that vision is sort of a whole new creation that is 24:47.273 --> 25:08.369 [SPEAKER_01]: not really burdened by any prior experience, whereas Wanda is kind of burdened by tragedy after tragedy with ageable trend ending with her twin brother dying and her envision both going to join the Avengers. 25:09.550 --> 25:12.192 [SPEAKER_00]: The saga continues after a quick word from these sponsors. 25:27.103 --> 25:36.071 [SPEAKER_00]: But by the way, I should say that Ultron is defeated and is wiped off the face of the internet, the face of the earth and the last robot is destroyed. 25:36.131 --> 25:38.573 [SPEAKER_00]: So Ultron is gone, essentially. 25:38.874 --> 25:44.379 [SPEAKER_00]: But remember there was a little bit of Ultron inside vision in his original uploading. 25:45.019 --> 26:01.326 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, civil war picks up and then importantly, the nose that Wanda and Vision start forming a relationship a friendship, essentially, but Vision is there for her when she's going through some tough stuff and she's moving to America and with the Avengers doesn't know anybody, um, she lost her brother. 26:01.386 --> 26:02.626 [SPEAKER_00]: As you said, there's a lot of stuff. 26:02.646 --> 26:06.208 [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't have her parents and visions, therefore, so they form a friendship. 26:06.728 --> 26:17.373 [SPEAKER_00]: By the time Avengers and Fannie Warrows along this friendship has blossomed into a romance, a relationship, and they are living together in Edinburgh, Wanda and Vision are in Edinburgh. 26:17.393 --> 26:26.718 [SPEAKER_00]: They get attacked by Thanos' black order and vision is injured and can no longer phase, and now they are trying to find a way to save Vision. 26:27.038 --> 26:29.099 [SPEAKER_00]: They meet up with the Avengers, and they decide that 26:29.699 --> 26:32.982 [SPEAKER_00]: What has to happen is they need to get the mind stone out of vision's head. 26:33.502 --> 26:40.187 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember, that was planted there during the whole all-tron thing, because Thanos was trying to go all the stones. 26:40.327 --> 26:43.169 [SPEAKER_00]: So they figure if they get this one first, they can prevent him from getting it. 26:43.970 --> 26:48.053 [SPEAKER_00]: But they don't want vision to die during the process of taking it out. 26:48.273 --> 26:49.434 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's slow. 26:49.474 --> 26:51.816 [SPEAKER_00]: They go to Wakanda and they're slowly trying to do it. 26:51.936 --> 26:53.197 [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, they run out of time. 26:54.118 --> 26:57.220 [SPEAKER_00]: And sure, from Wakanda is not able to get it out. 26:59.662 --> 27:11.532 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanos is about to get the stone from vision and vision says to Wanda, you're the only one because of what you said because they're from the same kind of power that can actually destroy this stone right now. 27:11.953 --> 27:13.054 [SPEAKER_00]: Wanda says it will kill you. 27:13.334 --> 27:14.775 [SPEAKER_00]: He says you have to do it anyways. 27:14.815 --> 27:17.317 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's one life versus the whole universe. 27:17.357 --> 27:18.098 [SPEAKER_00]: We have no choice. 27:18.158 --> 27:18.959 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to kill me. 27:19.479 --> 27:20.780 [SPEAKER_00]: So Wanda decides to do it. 27:20.841 --> 27:21.982 [SPEAKER_00]: She destroys the stone. 27:22.642 --> 27:27.986 [SPEAKER_00]: But Thanos uses the timestone goes back in time and rips the stone out of vision's head. 27:28.166 --> 27:29.627 [SPEAKER_00]: In either case, vision dies. 27:30.068 --> 27:49.483 [SPEAKER_00]: And vision is left actually dead, not just dusted, because Thanos snaps dust half the universe away, but it's important to remember that even when all the Avengers come back and all the people come back in Avengers endgame, vision is still not there because his body is a lifeless, just mechanical robot body at this point. 27:49.791 --> 27:53.532 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and yeah, and the only people that come back are the people that were dusted. 27:54.112 --> 27:54.272 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 27:54.532 --> 27:55.052 [SPEAKER_00]: He's dead. 27:55.472 --> 27:55.852 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah. 27:56.713 --> 28:09.156 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's, it's also, uh, it's worth noting that for, you know, I guess, a little over one movie. 28:10.296 --> 28:13.977 [SPEAKER_01]: We, we do see vision be arguably the, 28:15.019 --> 28:32.332 [SPEAKER_01]: strongest of venture, like when when we see him operating at full strength, he is seemingly as strong as as Thor, but he can kind of phase in and out like you alluded to earlier, so he can like go through certain things. 28:33.053 --> 28:35.074 [SPEAKER_01]: He has the mindset that he can use 28:36.175 --> 28:42.920 [SPEAKER_01]: sort of the same way that Tony uses like the the unibim, the repulsor blasts. 28:43.240 --> 28:45.121 [SPEAKER_00]: So we just don't see it for very long. 28:45.481 --> 28:54.488 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, he is it's this thing where he's kind of got this insane amount of power, but he's also characterized primarily by 28:55.525 --> 29:11.223 [SPEAKER_01]: of restraint and a lot of that comes from that news performance, but also you get the sense that there's this real like gentleness and it's like Ultron is so characterized by 29:12.144 --> 29:18.287 [SPEAKER_01]: Like in so many ways, Ultron is much more like Tony than vision is. 29:18.747 --> 29:24.309 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Ultron is, you know, there's the whole, they point this out because they make the same kinds of jokes. 29:24.409 --> 29:36.115 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of the same sense of humor, just generally talking a lot and kind of, there's this dark irony behind it all. 29:36.495 --> 29:38.696 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, so vision comes out and he's stronger. 29:39.296 --> 29:52.249 [SPEAKER_01]: than Ultron, but also a lot gentler and kind of more patient and there's a wisdom and so even whenever he does eradicate Ultron at the end, 29:54.270 --> 29:58.713 [SPEAKER_01]: he doesn't relish it, you know, he feels like something's being lost. 29:59.694 --> 30:12.963 [SPEAKER_01]: And so there's, I think what we, what we do see in the bit that we see vision operating full strength is both like an incredibly powerful addition to the Avengers and also like a, uh, 30:14.224 --> 30:30.829 [SPEAKER_01]: totally different perspective that we then see him bring to conversations throughout Civil War and Infinity War, where he's looking at things with a certain level of maturity, certainly that he would not have gotten from Tony. 30:31.750 --> 30:33.170 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, good call out. 30:33.830 --> 30:35.671 [SPEAKER_00]: I think because he's so strong 30:37.134 --> 30:43.117 [SPEAKER_00]: the writers had to find a way to take him off the board a little bit early or at least bring him down to our level. 30:43.257 --> 30:44.838 [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, it doesn't make sense a lot. 30:45.498 --> 30:45.658 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 30:45.678 --> 30:46.819 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I feel like civil war. 30:47.719 --> 30:47.939 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 30:48.239 --> 30:48.440 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 30:50.841 --> 30:53.102 [SPEAKER_00]: But his gentle spirit plays into that too, right? 30:53.142 --> 30:57.664 [SPEAKER_00]: Because he's not trying to actually injure anybody right in red and doesn't want to. 30:59.085 --> 31:01.226 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, in some ways, you almost feel 31:02.511 --> 31:07.732 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, he's the one person that so doesn't want it to come to that, as I said, catastrophe. 31:09.813 --> 31:10.013 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 31:10.333 --> 31:10.753 [SPEAKER_00]: See, you're right. 31:10.773 --> 31:11.954 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great call out in his spirit. 31:11.994 --> 31:14.794 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't get that from Tony, that comes from somewhere else. 31:15.935 --> 31:18.215 [SPEAKER_00]: That is also really important to remember. 31:19.896 --> 31:20.756 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's why they 31:22.031 --> 31:38.005 [SPEAKER_00]: Ambush him the way they do in infinity war to explain like how he didn't see it coming and maybe you could explain that the black order actually has a weapon that's you know They make a point of it stopped his phasing and he says like that shouldn't be possible So I think they're trying to imply that something's off. 31:38.045 --> 31:43.829 [SPEAKER_00]: Whether that's he turning a little bit more human or whether it's that Thanos's black order have weapons. 31:43.869 --> 31:46.231 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not you know, I don't know a couple of it. 31:46.251 --> 31:46.472 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe 31:47.212 --> 31:55.756 [SPEAKER_01]: even in civil war when Rodi's injured because vision, like, accessing blasts. 31:55.776 --> 31:56.096 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 31:56.636 --> 32:00.818 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and yes, Tony says Tony, I was distracted. 32:01.598 --> 32:02.938 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they come distracted. 32:02.998 --> 32:03.499 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. 32:03.639 --> 32:06.460 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's, which I think is because he's talking to Wanda. 32:07.860 --> 32:11.862 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's like some kind of transformation of becoming a little more human than he was used to. 32:11.982 --> 32:13.623 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you see this, uh, 32:15.355 --> 32:27.619 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's interesting that because there's also the line and infinity war from Tony, like he's, because Bruce is like you created another murder pot. 32:27.799 --> 32:28.940 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, no, he's more than that. 32:28.960 --> 32:29.600 [SPEAKER_01]: He's evolving. 32:30.574 --> 32:46.129 [SPEAKER_01]: And so there's this sense that they had an idea of what he was and even then prior to the events of one division, he is going beyond those constraints or showing that he was always something beyond those constraints. 32:46.149 --> 32:47.210 [SPEAKER_00]: That's such a good call out. 32:47.590 --> 32:49.392 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't even know why yet, but that's a good call. 32:49.993 --> 32:51.234 [SPEAKER_00]: I would have forgotten to point that out. 32:52.255 --> 32:55.178 [SPEAKER_00]: There is some kind of human process happening. 32:56.980 --> 33:02.724 [SPEAKER_00]: Vision dies, as I said, when Thanos trips the stone out and Wanda, this messes Wanda. 33:03.044 --> 33:05.866 [SPEAKER_00]: Wanda has gone through so much grief. 33:06.566 --> 33:08.087 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about she lost her parents. 33:08.468 --> 33:09.528 [SPEAKER_00]: She then lost her brother. 33:09.849 --> 33:15.052 [SPEAKER_00]: She fell in love with Vision, had to kill him, had to relive that moment and then watch Thanos kill him. 33:15.832 --> 33:16.013 [SPEAKER_00]: And, 33:16.773 --> 33:19.834 [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't seem to matter to anything, to her. 33:20.234 --> 33:23.896 [SPEAKER_00]: Like they still lost anyways, what was the point of killing vision in all this? 33:25.776 --> 33:32.579 [SPEAKER_00]: And basically, she's becoming more and more powerful and out of that grief, she bursts a new reality. 33:33.199 --> 33:39.302 [SPEAKER_00]: She creates this make-believe town and re-brings vision back. 33:39.322 --> 33:42.263 [SPEAKER_00]: Like vision is kind of birthed out of her grief and her love, 33:42.883 --> 33:45.164 [SPEAKER_00]: create this new vision. 33:45.504 --> 33:51.185 [SPEAKER_00]: It's important to remember that this vision in Westview, this town that's now taken over is not real. 33:51.225 --> 33:57.947 [SPEAKER_00]: This is now a creation of Wanda, but I don't think it's like a physical body that could live on forever. 33:58.428 --> 34:03.349 [SPEAKER_00]: It is only happening in Westview, but he does come outside of the Hexford a second, by the way. 34:03.589 --> 34:15.939 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I think the the reason it's different from anything else that Wanda would create with the with her chaos magic is. 34:18.134 --> 34:39.661 [SPEAKER_01]: He, because he was birthed from the milestone on some level, the idea that her powers involved her own connection to the milestone and whatever amount of that power is like housed within her, I think that my sense has been that he is 34:40.932 --> 34:49.155 [SPEAKER_01]: still while being a creation of her, it is still a true representation of vision. 34:50.015 --> 34:57.358 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a thing that she has created from scratch. 34:57.558 --> 35:03.080 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a bit of her that she's kind of calling out. 35:03.560 --> 35:08.642 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that's why so much of that show was trying to figure out exactly how he was back 35:10.661 --> 35:26.917 [SPEAKER_01]: the answer eventually, but I think it's because you see her make other things and people and clothes, and I think the idea is supposed to be that even from those vision, her version of vision is some separate category of thing. 35:28.055 --> 35:34.457 [SPEAKER_00]: Inside this created reality, wand also gives birth to two twins. 35:35.558 --> 35:41.500 [SPEAKER_00]: Even that is a little bit confusing because they age rapidly, like become seven years old in a day. 35:44.321 --> 35:51.103 [SPEAKER_00]: This is about when her reality is starting to unravel anyways and this is just another part of that. 35:53.322 --> 36:14.777 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but they do have these twin boys, Billy and Tommy, and at this moment, keep in mind, there is now a lifeless body of vibranium that's dead, vision, if you will, out in the real world that the government has now grabbed, okay, and they want the vibranium and they want the the robot back itself. 36:15.855 --> 36:24.838 [SPEAKER_00]: And then she inside Westview has created this other vision, a Westview vision out of her grief in the part of the mindstone, etc. 36:24.898 --> 36:25.538 [SPEAKER_00]: That connection. 36:25.558 --> 36:26.558 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's these two different ones. 36:27.238 --> 36:32.660 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, on the outside, the government turns that lifeless body into 36:33.520 --> 36:43.163 [SPEAKER_00]: basically a recreate I'm gonna call white vision because it's vision that looks all white and they actually use wand as magic as well to kind of bring it to life. 36:43.223 --> 36:49.465 [SPEAKER_00]: They had the body constructed, but they couldn't figure out how to kind of give it its AI life back. 36:49.645 --> 36:54.746 [SPEAKER_00]: But they use wand as magic, put it inside this white vision, they give this white vision one task. 36:54.846 --> 36:56.727 [SPEAKER_00]: You need to go inside Westview and kill Wanda. 36:57.736 --> 37:05.679 [SPEAKER_00]: So this white vision battles the West view vision, neither of which are really the real vision that died. 37:06.679 --> 37:08.980 [SPEAKER_00]: Mind you, as I just explained. 37:10.121 --> 37:21.805 [SPEAKER_00]: They battle it out and in a philosophical argument, West view vision calls out white vision for what are you really, West view vision in plants, 37:22.966 --> 37:31.834 [SPEAKER_00]: memories that he has of real vision, which again, this is not him, that life and everything he had to go through into white vision. 37:32.574 --> 37:39.780 [SPEAKER_00]: So now this white vision that's created to be a weapon has the memories kind of a foggy set of memories because it's not that vision. 37:39.800 --> 37:40.661 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 37:40.681 --> 37:41.502 [SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense? 37:41.962 --> 37:47.367 [SPEAKER_00]: Does the white view vision also like, remember he needed like clarity of what happened with Thanos? 37:47.507 --> 37:47.727 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 37:47.767 --> 37:50.349 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, I think, doesn't he say something like, 37:52.808 --> 38:17.174 [SPEAKER_01]: Like your memories or something are not so easily erased like that there's something I think what he's doing is is Like unblocking something and allowing like I think that the ideas those memories are still in some way residing in that body, but that they're not accessible to white vision at that point 38:18.064 --> 38:22.447 [SPEAKER_01]: and then West view vision is able to do something to kind of click those on. 38:24.188 --> 38:29.752 [SPEAKER_00]: So white vision flies away, presumably because he has no idea what he is anymore. 38:30.152 --> 38:32.373 [SPEAKER_00]: Is this now the implanted memories vision? 38:32.413 --> 38:32.994 [SPEAKER_00]: Is he vision? 38:33.574 --> 38:35.575 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you remember, like the hero, the Avenger? 38:36.416 --> 38:37.597 [SPEAKER_00]: Is he this weapon? 38:38.503 --> 38:39.724 [SPEAKER_00]: Is he all-tron still? 38:39.744 --> 38:41.105 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there some of all-tron in him? 38:42.585 --> 38:43.826 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there any stark left in him? 38:43.846 --> 38:44.707 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what is this? 38:45.107 --> 38:48.649 [SPEAKER_00]: If this is a new thing, look up the ship of thesis. 38:49.009 --> 38:49.930 [SPEAKER_00]: Argument that I make. 38:50.410 --> 38:51.471 [SPEAKER_00]: So kind of a famous scene. 38:52.391 --> 38:54.892 [SPEAKER_00]: Wanda decides that what she's doing is wrong. 38:54.933 --> 39:01.476 [SPEAKER_00]: And she collapses the reality when she does that says goodbye to Westview Vision and her boys. 39:02.057 --> 39:03.878 [SPEAKER_00]: They vanish with this reality. 39:04.869 --> 39:18.346 [SPEAKER_00]: We find out, though, a couple of things in the interim because as the presence, the witchcraft version of Tommy and Billy dissipates with the hex, their soul, their what? 39:18.526 --> 39:22.832 [SPEAKER_00]: The idea of them, the magic soul that was created, 39:24.035 --> 39:33.242 [SPEAKER_00]: goes into, in Agatha all along, we see this, another body of a boy who is also dying near Westview. 39:33.382 --> 39:51.616 [SPEAKER_00]: So essentially, like the consciousness takes over another dead body, a split second after dying, and this new boy is now identifying essentially as Billy, like has some memories of one to maximum off in vision, but doesn't know what this is, because it's the wrong body. 39:52.775 --> 39:57.860 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, we can maybe guess that that could happen with the other soul as well. 39:59.481 --> 39:59.781 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Tom. 39:59.821 --> 40:07.308 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, uh, because at the end of Agatha all along, don't they claim that Tommy's out there and they go looking for him? 40:07.688 --> 40:08.149 [SPEAKER_00]: Billy does. 40:08.689 --> 40:08.889 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 40:08.929 --> 40:18.458 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think if I remember and I haven't watched Agatha in a bit, but doesn't doesn't Agatha kind of coach Billy into 40:20.047 --> 40:42.474 [SPEAKER_01]: doing that like into helping Tommy potentially relocate and then they're they're they go off together to go look for him yeah bothered by you know that he allow this whoever the actual kid is to be killed to make room for Tommy and but yeah i think uh... that 40:43.760 --> 40:45.201 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's where I could believe it. 40:45.221 --> 40:50.665 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that we have explicit confirmation beyond that, but it's heavily suggested. 40:51.525 --> 40:51.905 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. 40:52.386 --> 40:55.748 [SPEAKER_00]: We do get some confirmation that Billy though has powers. 40:56.428 --> 41:01.912 [SPEAKER_00]: Some powers similar to what one to had and what maybe the young Billy had within Westview. 41:02.092 --> 41:04.214 [SPEAKER_00]: So somehow that is also transferred itself. 41:04.574 --> 41:06.795 [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see if that's the same case with Tommy as well. 41:10.567 --> 41:25.697 [SPEAKER_00]: in the interim, Wanda depressed that now she's lost vision, her parents, her brother, and now her kids are gone, messes with this magic book called The Dark Hold, and basically goes to whatever length possible to try to recover her kids. 41:26.577 --> 41:27.337 [SPEAKER_00]: unsuccessfully. 41:28.318 --> 41:42.684 [SPEAKER_00]: And at the end of multiverse of madness, she allows basically a mountain to collapse on herself and we don't see her get crushed and die, but we do see a little red poof of magic or something goes off. 41:42.984 --> 41:45.685 [SPEAKER_00]: We see the red poof and that's the last we've seen of Wanda. 41:45.945 --> 41:49.466 [SPEAKER_00]: Now we hear about Wanda, like an Agatha all along, they're wondering what's going on. 41:49.866 --> 41:50.507 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're going to hear 41:53.948 --> 41:54.849 [SPEAKER_00]: We've never seen a body. 41:55.049 --> 41:57.131 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the comic book rule is until you see a body. 41:57.251 --> 42:07.821 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't know if she's actually dead, but she's gone Billy and Tommy are supposedly out there somewhere and I think the whole point is what is left? 42:07.841 --> 42:09.583 [SPEAKER_00]: Like what is this family? 42:09.983 --> 42:14.245 [SPEAKER_00]: You got one vision who's got the memories of an old vision, but the original vision is still dead. 42:14.345 --> 42:18.927 [SPEAKER_00]: This is just memories of a, from a Westview vision, maybe subconsciously in his body. 42:19.027 --> 42:28.511 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, trying to figure out who he is, then you got this boy Billy who doesn't understand why this consciousness is in this body, trying to figure out who he is. 42:29.051 --> 42:32.953 [SPEAKER_00]: And I got the all long informs that you got one to who is maybe gone. 42:33.673 --> 42:44.216 [SPEAKER_00]: But what does that mean for someone that powerful to be gone and then are they searching for a Tommy another boy who doesn't understand who he is with this new consciousness essentially? 42:44.536 --> 42:53.139 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, I mean and it's also even beyond the family 42:55.452 --> 43:03.883 [SPEAKER_01]: from Westview and how kind of scattered that is and you also look prior to that and 43:05.309 --> 43:28.621 [SPEAKER_01]: vision to the extent he came from Jarvis, like all of that is sort of born out of his relationship with Tony Stark and the Avengers as that grows and Tony Stark is gone and the Avengers are not in existence in the way that they were the last time vision was vision. 43:28.982 --> 43:30.062 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like there's 43:32.645 --> 43:48.369 [SPEAKER_01]: I think what I would like about it, so often these sockets of four episodes are, and then this happens, and then they lose this, and then they lose this, and it works because it kind of builds the character, so to speak. 43:49.049 --> 43:57.412 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think vision is separate, it's not so much, oh, he's lost so much, like, what else is there? 43:58.655 --> 44:10.918 [SPEAKER_01]: It's more like an untethering than it is a beating down, like this idea of he, like Bruce says in Infinity War, he's a complex overlay. 44:10.938 --> 44:26.521 [SPEAKER_01]: They're all these things, and I think what you kind of see happen in the time between Infinity War and now is in various ways and for various reasons, all of those pieces get kind of pulled away, 44:27.562 --> 44:35.650 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, the question is, what is left, what's view vision literally asks, Juan, to what am I right? 44:38.353 --> 44:43.918 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's yeah, I mean, that that's an interesting question that I don't think that we've really explored. 44:44.038 --> 44:45.820 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that 44:48.347 --> 45:15.273 [SPEAKER_01]: the idea of going deeper into that kind of ship of DCS, what am I, line of thinking from one division, that I think, so part of the reason those scenes, I think stand out to people, they really captured the spirit of the character as Just Weedon Rodin, as McPhilly, 45:17.075 --> 45:26.001 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... mark some fili rodum like the the kind of thoughtful curious like constantly like 45:30.351 --> 45:40.354 [SPEAKER_01]: evaluating, not necessarily interrogating, but trying to kind of reach to the core of a thing. 45:41.434 --> 45:54.478 [SPEAKER_01]: You see that's the character, and so I think to kind of circle back to this point where he is now asking these sorts of questions about 45:55.512 --> 46:08.480 [SPEAKER_01]: himself, like asking them of himself and questioning himself, not kind of necessarily why was made or what is my mission, but more just like, you know, what? 46:10.595 --> 46:25.980 [SPEAKER_01]: who am I. I think is like that's a really perfect place to take that character, whether it's the end of the journey with vision or sort of a transitional moment. 46:26.720 --> 46:32.362 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's that feels right to me. 46:33.443 --> 46:34.423 [SPEAKER_01]: Having not seen anything. 46:34.483 --> 46:36.504 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was saying that's a great place to end it. 46:36.524 --> 46:37.864 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't need to say anything else. 46:39.627 --> 46:44.432 [SPEAKER_00]: There you go, enjoy Vision Quest when it premieres on Disney Plus on October 14th. 46:45.433 --> 46:48.316 [SPEAKER_00]: Robby and I here at Friends from Work will be going through this stuff weekly. 46:48.616 --> 47:00.207 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, so next week for sure talking about the first two episodes of Vision Quest, but also a little bit of a recap of what we learned at New York Comic-Con and in New York in general this weekend. 47:01.468 --> 47:14.031 [SPEAKER_00]: Hope everyone's doing well, check out our sponsor panel bound comics panelbound comics.com and use our promo code friends from work to get all of your comics discounted and shipped to you quickly in a nice neat package. 47:14.291 --> 47:25.534 [SPEAKER_00]: Panelbound comics.com, check out friends from work plus consider subscribing and supporting this podcast and be sure to rate, review, subscribe, click like wherever you are listening to this podcast where you're watching the show. 47:26.034 --> 47:26.874 [SPEAKER_00]: And we would love that. 47:26.894 --> 47:27.734 [SPEAKER_00]: We appreciate you all. 47:27.994 --> 47:29.015 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for listening. 47:29.035 --> 47:29.255 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see 47:30.775 --> 47:30.837 [SPEAKER_00]: You