WEBVTT 00:00.071 --> 00:06.399 [SPEAKER_00]: Hi everyone, my name is Tyler Oakley and you are listening to PsychoBabble. 00:06.539 --> 00:12.066 [SPEAKER_00]: An unfiltered half-hour of gossip sessions, pop culture scrutiny, and stories we've never told in videos. 00:12.387 --> 00:14.970 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not just crazy talk, it's PsychoBabble. 00:15.210 --> 00:18.452 [SPEAKER_00]: Now before we begin, don't forget to vote! 00:18.953 --> 00:20.214 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's your reminder. 00:20.554 --> 00:23.276 [SPEAKER_00]: This week we discuss you can see everything. 00:23.656 --> 00:26.598 [SPEAKER_00]: Does Elizabeth Holmes not know how to be eggs? 00:26.958 --> 00:30.121 [SPEAKER_00]: Does Turkey, Turkey, Washington, cocaine sniffles? 00:30.521 --> 00:32.702 [SPEAKER_00]: Did Nathan Fielder get got? 00:33.083 --> 00:38.947 [SPEAKER_00]: Plus, people magazines pick for sexiest man alive, and what the title means to be changed to. 00:39.267 --> 00:46.213 [SPEAKER_00]: Subscribe 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doing, how are you doing, how are you doing, how are you doing, how are you doing, how are you doing, how 01:22.740 --> 01:28.702 [SPEAKER_01]: They've got to what what's I there must be planets in retrograde. 01:29.082 --> 01:32.143 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been having the moose the moose The moose. 01:32.623 --> 01:34.804 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been having the moose oopsie days. 01:34.864 --> 01:35.504 [SPEAKER_01]: He's today. 01:35.664 --> 01:42.646 [SPEAKER_00]: It is out of control Well, consider the moose to be an oopsie daysy within itself. 01:42.826 --> 01:47.348 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you know, honestly Friday and slip you want to know what I did this morning 01:48.562 --> 01:50.584 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess. 01:50.964 --> 01:57.229 [SPEAKER_01]: So I am a big purchaser of that like downy wrinkle release spray. 01:57.249 --> 01:58.570 [SPEAKER_01]: I love it. 01:58.990 --> 02:01.512 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to like iron stuff. 02:02.073 --> 02:05.876 [SPEAKER_01]: You can like spritz a little t-shirt and you just like wipe out the wrinkles. 02:06.336 --> 02:12.101 [SPEAKER_01]: I use it on the comforter on my bed so it looks like nice and crisp in the morning. 02:13.430 --> 02:14.351 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm disgusted. 02:14.711 --> 02:17.753 [SPEAKER_00]: You are, uh, uh, I know you are making bad. 02:17.813 --> 02:19.154 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't make your bad. 02:19.174 --> 02:25.617 [SPEAKER_00]: I know, you said, let me find a new problem to have to buy something to fix. 02:25.658 --> 02:32.282 [SPEAKER_01]: But go on, I'll listen, my boyfriend was like, uh, who gave you trauma about wrinkly close growing up. 02:32.302 --> 02:35.263 [SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, my mother, uh, right this way. 02:36.704 --> 02:40.188 [SPEAKER_01]: So is so yeah, like layout a t-shirt on the bed. 02:40.248 --> 02:40.888 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll spritz it. 02:40.908 --> 02:44.151 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll get the wrinkles out So I don't look crazy on a zoom call in the morning. 02:44.692 --> 02:54.301 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll Like make the cup the comforter looked nice because my side always gets the my side of the dovay gets very crinkily Do it lots of crinkily in the night. 02:54.381 --> 02:54.401 [SPEAKER_01]: I 02:56.863 --> 02:58.744 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all under, and how it gets like that. 02:59.424 --> 03:01.984 [SPEAKER_01]: But, so I try to make it nice. 03:02.705 --> 03:03.925 [SPEAKER_01]: I make the bed in the morning. 03:04.405 --> 03:16.088 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, there I was, walked into my bathroom to grab the wrinkle release spray from under the sink, went back into the bedroom and went to the computer and guess what? 03:16.749 --> 03:17.189 [SPEAKER_00]: What? 03:17.730 --> 03:28.118 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I grabbed the tile bleach spray for my bathroom for my shower and just literally sprayed bleach all over my non-white comforter. 03:28.718 --> 03:29.599 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god. 03:29.659 --> 03:29.919 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 03:29.939 --> 03:34.002 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think you could go somewhere with this design wise. 03:34.022 --> 03:38.846 [SPEAKER_00]: You could continue the spritz kind of everywhere and give it a design. 03:38.966 --> 03:39.906 [SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing more. 03:41.042 --> 03:56.430 [SPEAKER_01]: tragic than spraying bleach on something because there's not like you can run to get a paper towel wipe it off I knew I was fucked as soon as as soon as it came out as a glob instead of a fine mist I thought what did I grab a glob it was a bleach 03:56.890 --> 04:04.252 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like a bleach spray, like for your bathroom shower and shit, you know, smell very potent, unfortunately. 04:04.993 --> 04:06.193 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I'm fucked. 04:06.633 --> 04:09.034 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, there's nothing I can do now. 04:09.594 --> 04:15.276 [SPEAKER_01]: So I washed the computer and I put the duvet back on and then I like flipped it over to try to hide it. 04:15.416 --> 04:18.837 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, when I have to tell my boyfriend, I ruined the sheets. 04:19.097 --> 04:19.797 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're going to get 04:21.818 --> 04:24.560 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I don't think he'll care about. 04:24.620 --> 04:29.264 [SPEAKER_01]: I was definitely sitting there thinking do we go full splatter effect? 04:30.523 --> 04:33.026 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, now you just have an old sheets for when you need an old sheets. 04:33.046 --> 04:52.407 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's a duvet cover for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old sheets for an old she 04:53.297 --> 04:54.177 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you never paint. 04:54.337 --> 04:54.658 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that. 04:54.738 --> 04:54.918 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God. 04:54.958 --> 04:55.418 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure. 04:57.259 --> 05:00.400 [SPEAKER_01]: There I go with another little loop. 05:00.420 --> 05:01.440 [SPEAKER_01]: See, Daisy. 05:01.861 --> 05:03.781 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, I ran to the grocery store today. 05:03.881 --> 05:05.242 [SPEAKER_01]: Lots of babies crying. 05:05.742 --> 05:07.843 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought, I thought, I don't know. 05:07.883 --> 05:08.783 [SPEAKER_00]: Mercury retrograde. 05:09.304 --> 05:11.785 [SPEAKER_01]: It must be, I thought, what is raw children? 05:12.385 --> 05:13.605 [SPEAKER_01]: What is going on? 05:13.985 --> 05:15.506 [SPEAKER_01]: They must just do the babies. 05:15.606 --> 05:16.366 [SPEAKER_00]: Man alive. 05:18.447 --> 05:20.188 [SPEAKER_00]: I be crying if I saw that. 05:20.748 --> 05:22.930 [SPEAKER_00]: I've been crying to little child. 05:23.930 --> 05:24.510 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 05:24.650 --> 05:27.672 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, another sexiest man alive. 05:28.792 --> 05:32.234 [SPEAKER_00]: And I have to say, not very sexy to me. 05:32.634 --> 05:33.695 [SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't do it for you. 05:34.455 --> 05:41.601 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, at some point I was like, maybe we shouldn't be who cares what I think about sexiest man alive. 05:42.262 --> 05:44.023 [SPEAKER_00]: Let them claim it. 05:44.223 --> 05:48.887 [SPEAKER_00]: But then I saw the the front cover of people magazine November 9th, 2026. 05:49.027 --> 05:57.815 [SPEAKER_00]: It says, Noah Wiley, with the picture, sexiest man alive, and the subtitle is no second opinion needed. 05:58.837 --> 05:59.237 [SPEAKER_00]: You sure? 06:00.137 --> 06:00.758 [SPEAKER_00]: Are we sure? 06:00.778 --> 06:05.719 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe not my second opinion you don't want it, but maybe within the magazine. 06:05.759 --> 06:06.879 [SPEAKER_00]: No second opinion needed. 06:07.300 --> 06:08.920 [SPEAKER_00]: Are we absolutely positive? 06:09.200 --> 06:11.241 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was one person who just said it. 06:11.401 --> 06:13.521 [SPEAKER_00]: We said, well, here we have, we got him. 06:13.942 --> 06:14.602 [SPEAKER_00]: I had kissing. 06:15.542 --> 06:20.828 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I know you would, but, but is he the sexiest man alive? 06:21.309 --> 06:22.190 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a no. 06:22.470 --> 06:24.092 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a no for me. 06:24.613 --> 06:29.779 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't say that just because I find him to be not my type or not what I want to hang with. 06:30.160 --> 06:33.664 [SPEAKER_00]: But also, I've seen many clips of him being not so good. 06:35.279 --> 06:35.859 [SPEAKER_00]: Not good. 06:36.400 --> 06:38.361 [SPEAKER_00]: Like acting or like a bad person. 06:38.841 --> 06:39.782 [SPEAKER_00]: Bad person. 06:40.142 --> 06:42.103 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh dang, I didn't catch any of that. 06:42.823 --> 06:43.884 [SPEAKER_01]: Bad person. 06:44.604 --> 06:45.865 [SPEAKER_01]: I was gonna bring up last week. 06:45.885 --> 06:51.128 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you see they really, they really are capitalizing on the sexiest man. 06:51.168 --> 06:58.512 [SPEAKER_01]: They did like a readers poll and they gave out all these other like mini sexiest man the lives which you know people buy. 06:58.532 --> 07:02.714 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like sexiest morning news anchor. 07:05.256 --> 07:17.044 [SPEAKER_01]: But no, but then they gave it to like somebody from, like, good morning America, and then they were like sexiest tick talker and they gave it to the guy from adults who is sexy by the way. 07:17.745 --> 07:18.205 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 07:18.706 --> 07:27.072 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, I mean, we need to all understand this is just a, this is who's going to assist that are that are working in this moment. 07:27.632 --> 07:29.274 [SPEAKER_00]: Who needs to promote something? 07:29.314 --> 07:30.336 [SPEAKER_00]: Who's got something to sell? 07:30.356 --> 07:32.058 [SPEAKER_00]: Who needs to be on a late night talk show? 07:32.078 --> 07:34.581 [SPEAKER_00]: Who needs to do the who needs to budget but to buy? 07:35.161 --> 07:43.592 [SPEAKER_01]: They had one of the categories that the readers vote was was the sexiest offspring of a former sexy. 07:44.092 --> 07:44.432 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 07:44.853 --> 07:49.677 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay, sexy, sexy, sexy. 07:49.737 --> 07:50.998 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's what they called it. 07:51.678 --> 07:52.939 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's nephosexy. 07:53.179 --> 07:53.840 [SPEAKER_00]: Who's nephosexy? 07:53.900 --> 07:55.561 [SPEAKER_00]: Who won nephosexy of the year? 07:55.942 --> 07:57.243 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I scrolled the list. 07:57.383 --> 08:00.666 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't recognize anybody other than my boyfriend from adults. 08:01.766 --> 08:06.931 [SPEAKER_00]: I've been seeing people hype up the Beckham boy. 08:07.551 --> 08:09.893 [SPEAKER_00]: The Beckham man, child. 08:10.914 --> 08:13.276 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, offspring. 08:14.926 --> 08:21.368 [SPEAKER_00]: I went calling him a call and he's a call and he's all spring calling him high like what's the news? 08:21.769 --> 08:28.251 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know really, you know, but like if we're talking netbosexie, I'm trying to narrow it down. 08:29.011 --> 08:32.353 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean David Beckham is hot and so is posh by it. 08:32.393 --> 08:34.834 [SPEAKER_01]: So do I believe they have hot children? 08:35.954 --> 08:36.414 [SPEAKER_01]: Child. 08:36.994 --> 08:37.575 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh man. 08:37.675 --> 08:39.315 [SPEAKER_00]: Not children or time. 08:44.468 --> 08:45.188 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess that's it. 08:45.228 --> 08:45.908 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't. 08:45.928 --> 08:46.769 [SPEAKER_01]: He knows me. 08:47.129 --> 08:48.389 [SPEAKER_01]: Does it really? 08:48.569 --> 08:49.630 [SPEAKER_00]: Romeo. 08:49.730 --> 08:50.730 [SPEAKER_01]: Romeo. 08:50.750 --> 08:52.750 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't they have a child that doesn't speak to them? 08:53.991 --> 08:55.211 [SPEAKER_00]: I think many such cases. 08:55.331 --> 08:55.591 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh. 08:56.352 --> 08:58.012 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you thinking Brooklyn Beckham? 08:58.312 --> 08:59.092 [SPEAKER_01]: Or Romeo. 08:59.593 --> 09:00.153 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 09:00.273 --> 09:01.513 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't care. 09:01.533 --> 09:02.093 [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't called you. 09:02.113 --> 09:03.314 [SPEAKER_00]: You brought it up. 09:03.954 --> 09:05.094 [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't called anybody. 09:05.114 --> 09:06.435 [SPEAKER_00]: Anybody sexy. 09:06.495 --> 09:08.075 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't find anybody sexy. 09:08.275 --> 09:10.896 [SPEAKER_00]: This was your whole talking point. 09:12.448 --> 09:18.409 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, I just go back to the bleach on my sheets. 09:19.250 --> 09:24.191 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think you maybe we need to stop calling it sexiest man alive. 09:24.691 --> 09:32.533 [SPEAKER_00]: If he's not even in the top 1% of sexiest men alive, it's okay if you find him uniquely individually sexy. 09:32.813 --> 09:33.333 [SPEAKER_00]: Just right. 09:34.073 --> 09:39.974 [SPEAKER_00]: We think he's sexy, maybe we think he's sexy 2026 and then we can go from there. 09:40.234 --> 09:46.916 [SPEAKER_00]: But like sexiest man alive, you've lost your damn mind and you're trying to guess like boots me down. 09:47.876 --> 09:49.236 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, this is good. 09:49.256 --> 09:52.577 [SPEAKER_01]: It should they change the name to guess who we'd blow this year. 09:53.397 --> 09:54.257 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes. 09:54.477 --> 09:59.318 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know what, I could easily participate in that because it's fun to guess who I would blow. 10:00.142 --> 10:00.382 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 10:01.002 --> 10:01.242 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 10:01.342 --> 10:06.884 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, honestly, this is all of this is making me think we need a new category in the Second Babel Awards this year. 10:06.904 --> 10:07.804 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 10:07.844 --> 10:15.507 [SPEAKER_00]: Who we'd blow a war in a special honorary blowy babble, blowy babble, blowy babble. 10:16.248 --> 10:19.571 [SPEAKER_00]: blowy babble, blowy babble, blowy babble. 10:19.952 --> 10:22.094 [SPEAKER_01]: Guess who we blow this year. 10:22.735 --> 10:27.279 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I also need you to write down, actually I haven't confirmed it. 10:27.359 --> 10:31.944 [SPEAKER_00]: So let me just, we have a new cycle ghosty of the year possibly, but let me see. 10:34.166 --> 10:36.589 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how to spell, I know that. 10:42.077 --> 10:46.846 [SPEAKER_00]: I saw a tiktok saying Lita beat about a but died, but I don't really know who is that. 10:47.487 --> 10:49.351 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean who is Lita beat about about? 10:50.068 --> 10:52.690 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean, lead a beat about a buy? 10:52.790 --> 10:54.612 [SPEAKER_01]: Lead a beat about a buy. 10:55.433 --> 10:58.395 [SPEAKER_01]: This is like your woman who has corn for dinner. 10:59.256 --> 11:01.498 [SPEAKER_00]: A little bit, yes, yes, yes, yes. 11:01.978 --> 11:03.880 [SPEAKER_01]: No, Google, lead a pop on. 11:04.441 --> 11:05.962 [SPEAKER_01]: Gordicab on the knob. 11:06.603 --> 11:08.304 [SPEAKER_01]: Gordicab off the bar. 11:08.404 --> 11:11.467 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, hey, Google, lead a beat about a but. 11:12.187 --> 11:12.448 [SPEAKER_00]: OK. 11:12.988 --> 11:14.969 [SPEAKER_01]: How would you even spell such a thing? 11:15.309 --> 11:17.350 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know why I didn't spell it. 11:17.570 --> 11:18.191 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I found it. 11:18.251 --> 11:40.943 [SPEAKER_00]: Lead a B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to B to 11:41.343 --> 11:43.224 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's not in her youth honey. 11:43.564 --> 11:47.807 [SPEAKER_00]: She is she went viral in her final percent of life. 11:47.927 --> 11:52.409 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like I'm not I'm not gagged by her death if she's dead. 11:52.729 --> 11:54.350 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm more gagged if she's still with us. 11:57.012 --> 11:58.993 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so possible nominee. 11:59.533 --> 11:59.993 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't know. 12:00.274 --> 12:03.976 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got a lot of dogs in the cycle ghosty category this year. 12:04.836 --> 12:07.738 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, are we going to have to change the category? 12:08.543 --> 12:10.664 [SPEAKER_00]: No, dead dog of the year. 12:11.004 --> 12:13.465 [SPEAKER_00]: This is not some dogs go to heaven. 12:14.546 --> 12:16.126 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, lead a definitely does. 12:16.947 --> 12:19.528 [SPEAKER_00]: I think if your dog is on death's door, 12:21.636 --> 12:23.657 [SPEAKER_00]: You've prolonged it too long. 12:23.918 --> 12:32.162 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so sorry, you're centering your own feelings of companionship with your dog over relieving the suffering of the dog. 12:32.702 --> 12:45.048 [SPEAKER_00]: And that, maybe I don't know everything about lead to beat a boat, but lead a beat about a boat looks like I think maybe can't move, can't smell, can't chew, no teeth. 12:45.628 --> 12:47.509 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't like you're describing me. 12:51.998 --> 13:01.912 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, I'll report back if if maybe it was like I got to check snopes You have Rick rolled by lead a beat of Otobut. 13:02.413 --> 13:05.858 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I last week I knew nothing about Elizabeth Holmes. 13:06.599 --> 13:07.060 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 13:07.600 --> 13:08.522 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we want to go there 13:09.142 --> 13:19.289 [SPEAKER_00]: And then people were talking about you need to see you can see everything before it's out of theaters and you need to see it with the packed theater and you need to, you need to get into the cultural moment. 13:19.889 --> 13:22.551 [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, okay, well, I do anything for psychobabble. 13:22.851 --> 13:24.392 [SPEAKER_00]: I would take a bullet for psychobabble. 13:24.612 --> 13:26.093 [SPEAKER_00]: I will see a movie for psychobabble. 13:26.113 --> 13:27.734 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, hey, hey, hey. 13:27.814 --> 13:28.254 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 13:28.755 --> 13:33.018 [SPEAKER_01]: You have got to stop membership to uphold. 13:33.758 --> 13:34.819 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're right. 13:34.899 --> 13:36.620 [SPEAKER_00]: And I saw Wildwood in the morning. 13:39.442 --> 13:44.628 [SPEAKER_01]: You can see wherever you can see everything in the afternoon. 13:44.829 --> 13:45.950 [SPEAKER_00]: You can see everything in the afternoon. 13:45.970 --> 13:51.296 [SPEAKER_00]: But first I watched the HBO the inventor. 13:52.418 --> 13:52.898 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 13:53.539 --> 13:57.063 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the it's like an hour and a half maybe kind of like a. 13:58.033 --> 14:04.014 [SPEAKER_00]: program about Elizabeth Holmes to kind of get the backstory of like, okay, what am I stepping into in case they didn't really lay it out? 14:04.514 --> 14:06.875 [SPEAKER_00]: I think in the documentary, do you think you saw it? 14:07.015 --> 14:08.035 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think they laid it out? 14:08.095 --> 14:09.155 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you watch anything before? 14:09.175 --> 14:14.596 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I definitely had more knowledge of it than you did going into it. 14:14.696 --> 14:22.217 [SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't feel like there were any like major gaps or anything, but it's hard to say because I had known of it when it was like in the news years ago. 14:23.298 --> 14:24.838 [SPEAKER_01]: I must, I don't like you. 14:25.518 --> 14:25.818 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 14:25.898 --> 14:27.819 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I have demand avoidance. 14:27.939 --> 14:36.283 [SPEAKER_00]: When the whole world is saying pay attention to this, watch this, consume this air like, I'm like, have you seen Courtney Cobb on the night? 14:36.923 --> 14:38.404 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell me what to do. 14:38.564 --> 14:40.445 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually have other things on the roster. 14:41.305 --> 14:50.169 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so I I went and saw it and I immediately told Cory you need to go see it because we need to discuss it on the Baby it was on my list of things to do. 14:50.269 --> 14:51.789 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't need your recommendation. 14:52.510 --> 14:57.612 [SPEAKER_01]: I live in New York City now It's hard to get a movie ticket at any time of day. 14:57.972 --> 15:02.394 [SPEAKER_01]: I used to be able to be able to go now I have to plan out days and advance. 15:03.294 --> 15:03.614 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 15:03.634 --> 15:04.795 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what did you think? 15:06.683 --> 15:07.383 [SPEAKER_01]: I loved it. 15:08.104 --> 15:08.664 [SPEAKER_00]: You loved it. 15:09.064 --> 15:11.666 [SPEAKER_01]: I actually loved it. 15:11.686 --> 15:12.126 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God. 15:12.266 --> 15:13.307 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was riveting. 15:13.367 --> 15:18.249 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't have an attention span in three hours long and I didn't, I wasn't looking away. 15:18.449 --> 15:20.210 [SPEAKER_00]: I was riveting out. 15:20.550 --> 15:22.091 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, where is this going? 15:22.111 --> 15:25.253 [SPEAKER_01]: Because suddenly she went to jail and I was like, I rumor has it. 15:25.273 --> 15:26.493 [SPEAKER_01]: There's another hour to go. 15:27.014 --> 15:28.214 [SPEAKER_01]: I went in pretty blindly. 15:28.354 --> 15:29.175 [SPEAKER_01]: I did not know. 15:30.095 --> 15:34.918 [SPEAKER_00]: Moving forward, if you don't want spoilers, there are spoilers ahead. 15:34.938 --> 15:35.058 [SPEAKER_01]: I had. 15:35.298 --> 15:40.081 [SPEAKER_01]: I think people who listen to our show know, no, we're a spoiler. 15:40.541 --> 15:40.781 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 15:40.801 --> 15:41.802 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, now they do. 15:41.902 --> 15:51.868 [SPEAKER_00]: So if this is anybody's first episode, there are spoilers, and now you may speak freely about who's showing up Amanda, say, freed. 15:52.588 --> 16:00.591 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, she said her own name in the movie and I really tried to remember how she pronounced it because I was like she said it differently than how I do. 16:01.632 --> 16:06.774 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and I had the exact same experience and I still don't quite remember because I feel like she may have said it twice. 16:07.694 --> 16:10.316 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a lot going on this film had everything. 16:10.356 --> 16:13.277 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, had you seen anything from Nathan Fielder before? 16:14.068 --> 16:38.115 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I've seen like some of us like work, some of us work and definitely a lot of clips and best moments and I understand I understand some of the tone of what he gets up to and the shenanigans and the you know like the awkward moments that he tries to create to squeeze something 16:43.876 --> 16:54.601 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I was pretty impressed with his self-awareness going into it and his interest in taking control of telling the story. 16:55.121 --> 17:02.884 [SPEAKER_00]: I was also impressed with his self-awareness of him losing control of the story. 17:03.925 --> 17:08.407 [SPEAKER_00]: In the sense of him knowing he might be getting got. 17:14.343 --> 17:16.598 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's immune to her possible. 17:17.727 --> 17:32.038 [SPEAKER_00]: manipulation, deception, because in this, you see, like, okay, so she's this, like, this motherly, quiet, soft, gentle, big, joe wide. 17:32.218 --> 17:33.519 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what, what did I miss? 17:33.980 --> 17:35.101 [SPEAKER_00]: Did I miss speak? 17:35.761 --> 17:38.243 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like, oopsies. 17:39.144 --> 17:42.546 [SPEAKER_00]: I, oh, I said, I, oh, I thought I meant one thing, 17:47.918 --> 17:52.561 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she was having the oopsie daisies that I was having today. 17:53.001 --> 18:02.926 [SPEAKER_00]: She, well, she was acting like it was oopsie daisies, but like, I think where Nathan really did not hold her to the fire was, um, ma'am. 18:06.689 --> 18:12.474 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't lie to me, you know exactly the impact you had. 18:12.915 --> 18:16.478 [SPEAKER_00]: You know exactly the type of the people that were affected. 18:16.678 --> 18:19.180 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's not, it's not some little oopsie. 18:19.340 --> 18:25.926 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you saw the cases of individuals using your, 18:26.827 --> 18:29.630 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, technology and it being faulty. 18:29.670 --> 18:32.132 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like, and you kept doing it. 18:32.432 --> 18:37.717 [SPEAKER_00]: So like, it's not as little of an oopsie as she would really like us to feel. 18:38.217 --> 18:42.261 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think he really highlighted how big of an oopsie it was. 18:42.801 --> 18:50.388 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, um, because it was a pretty major oopsie, if it's going to be an oopsie, it was a big oopsie. 18:52.852 --> 18:56.176 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was definitely riveted throughout. 18:56.317 --> 19:09.553 [SPEAKER_01]: There were multiple scenes where I felt like I was pulling my shirt up over my face a little bit because I was anxious and didn't know where things were gonna happen and what was gonna unravel and who was gonna hold things together. 19:11.996 --> 19:19.144 [SPEAKER_01]: I definitely feel like there's a lot of like open-endedness with it because you're still leaving the theater wondering, like, is this all a ruse? 19:19.164 --> 19:24.410 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I definitely have team camp of like, yeah, she's acting through everything. 19:24.490 --> 19:26.092 [SPEAKER_01]: She's lying through everything. 19:27.013 --> 19:31.975 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're to believe she doesn't, she doesn't know who this man that she invited into her home. 19:32.215 --> 19:34.155 [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't know the body of work that he created. 19:34.496 --> 19:51.101 [SPEAKER_00]: She's just kind of like trusting this that some some guy is going to come record the final month of her freedom and she hasn't seen any of his work or know what he might do with their story or the tone of what he might get up to. 19:56.180 --> 19:56.540 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 19:56.561 --> 20:15.841 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know, and there were just so many scenes where like, I've never, I've done a lot of like reading of like read it threads and stuff afterward and it's like, one thing that I took away from it as well is it's like, you realize like how frequently she really stops to think before answering any question whatsoever. 20:16.341 --> 20:17.342 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's just not. 20:18.404 --> 20:33.244 [SPEAKER_00]: I do I do wonder how much being on trial for so long or whatever may have changed her entire way she interacts with the media or even people like if you if you have to 20:34.125 --> 20:38.747 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're on trial, don't you think that you were coach into how to respond to anything? 20:39.348 --> 20:44.010 [SPEAKER_00]: And this probably feels like it's own mini trial or at least not. 20:44.030 --> 20:56.276 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, your presentation of her trying to, I'm not trying to defend her, but I'm saying like, I think she has, she probably has her guard up more than she would like to admit or even that she even isn't even as aware of. 20:59.638 --> 21:01.962 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's just so much to discuss. 21:02.002 --> 21:03.184 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry as you're talking. 21:03.224 --> 21:05.809 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like thinking of so many seeds and so many parts. 21:06.289 --> 21:07.311 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like excess. 21:08.442 --> 21:31.258 [SPEAKER_01]: the way she dodged questions throughout and the way she like answered things which was clearly she was just trying to like say something that she had rehearsed like even to the point of what did he even ask her and she said the hardest thing for her to do is cry in front of people and then let's a single tear fall second after she says it yeah I mean I I have to be very honest 21:36.708 --> 21:48.542 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know what I felt and I didn't, I kept wavering back and forth of like, and then I had to kind of shake myself out of it like, no, she committed a lot of fraud and she, she, 21:50.923 --> 22:14.424 [SPEAKER_00]: negatively impacted a lot of people, and it's not like just because she's performing this, what was me like perfect wife and mother and white woman tears, really doing a lot of heavy lifting for three hours. 22:15.125 --> 22:16.726 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think, I think, 22:18.815 --> 22:34.767 [SPEAKER_00]: to her, and maybe to Billy, this was a vehicle to showcase white woman's tears, to at least create the question of, well, maybe she's not as evil-intended as the impact she had. 22:35.507 --> 22:41.552 [SPEAKER_00]: So regardless of everything she may have did, maybe that's not what she meant, like, oh, she meant it a different way. 22:41.912 --> 22:45.415 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, okay, no, like, you don't get to like, 22:47.110 --> 22:49.815 [SPEAKER_00]: have responsibility for the impact you have on the world. 22:49.955 --> 22:54.262 [SPEAKER_00]: Just because you didn't understand, people might misinterpret a word you say. 22:54.322 --> 22:56.165 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, that's not the issue here. 22:56.760 --> 23:13.403 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw Hank Green made a video like talking about it just in regards to like the technology for these like blood scanners that she was trying to make or like had an idea about making and how like the technology that they were trying to create was just like impossible. 23:13.463 --> 23:20.765 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's just like it's hard for me to believe she's this like timid person who got set up as a fall girl because it's like you see 23:21.945 --> 23:35.375 [SPEAKER_01]: I've worked at start-ups and I've worked in like San Francisco and I've worked in the like start-up culture and it's just like the people who succeed are not the timid type is what my experience has been. 23:35.395 --> 23:43.481 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's just like I find it hard to believe that she didn't know things weren't working the way they were saying they were working. 23:44.622 --> 23:51.444 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's, um, I don't know, there's a whole other level of, okay, so you know you're about to go to prison and you have two kids. 23:51.704 --> 23:54.064 [SPEAKER_00]: You know you're about to go to prison for 11 years and you have two kids. 23:55.685 --> 24:07.048 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I, it to me, it's very, um, let me have these kids because I mean to look like a, uh, a mother who shouldn't be in prison. 24:07.268 --> 24:08.128 [SPEAKER_00]: And she was also a, uh, 24:09.128 --> 24:14.471 [SPEAKER_00]: delaying trial slash going to prison because she's having these kids. 24:14.751 --> 24:18.613 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, I don't know, it's really, I find it really selfish. 24:19.034 --> 24:22.435 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're about to spend the next 11 years of your life in prison. 24:22.455 --> 24:34.262 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, oh, babe, their dad made an AI hologram version of their mom that he can make my God that he can make say anything and do anything and read the children bedtime stories. 24:35.147 --> 24:37.869 [SPEAKER_00]: It also feels like, which I hate. 24:38.149 --> 24:49.016 [SPEAKER_00]: What it also feels like, so is Billy, is Billy in on all of it or does Billy understand he's being used to? 24:49.977 --> 24:54.139 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Billy thinks he is puppet master. 24:55.184 --> 25:05.095 [SPEAKER_00]: and trying to, his best to, you know, latch himself on to, I don't know if they're in those two, point out, or whatever. 25:05.195 --> 25:06.176 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't know. 25:06.396 --> 25:16.486 [SPEAKER_00]: And he thinks like, okay, well, maybe, this Nathan Fielder documentary can like, hey, make us money and be, 25:19.237 --> 25:21.979 [SPEAKER_00]: revamp her image, it just in time for 2.0. 25:22.719 --> 25:30.224 [SPEAKER_00]: Does she not realize that I think she is using him as her fall guy? 25:30.584 --> 25:33.146 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, she is setting Billy up. 25:33.446 --> 25:34.647 [SPEAKER_00]: He has the power of attorney. 25:35.047 --> 25:39.930 [SPEAKER_00]: He is clearly super involved in all of the processes of Theranos too. 25:40.871 --> 25:42.412 [SPEAKER_00]: He is the voice, 25:43.212 --> 25:49.034 [SPEAKER_00]: taking over for her so that like she's now pretty insulated for whatever happens with their nose too. 25:49.114 --> 25:52.435 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, is he the new sunny for her? 25:52.896 --> 25:54.696 [SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense? 25:54.856 --> 25:55.677 [SPEAKER_01]: I read something I read. 25:55.737 --> 26:00.318 [SPEAKER_01]: I read it said they're in a two-person cult. 26:00.818 --> 26:04.660 [SPEAKER_01]: And that and that felt like God. 26:04.680 --> 26:10.102 [SPEAKER_01]: And that felt the most real to me after experiencing three hours of them together. 26:11.122 --> 26:13.724 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know listening to them like talk about Theranos too. 26:13.764 --> 26:28.654 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like listening to the people who just like speak at work meetings who words salad like industry lingo to sound smart when they're really saying nothing at all and they're just saying like buzzwords and lasers and molecules. 26:29.914 --> 26:40.063 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, the clips of the they kept showing of him like watching power points like learning on 3x speed, yes, mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell. 26:40.083 --> 26:40.823 [SPEAKER_00]: He's learning. 26:40.943 --> 26:41.364 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 26:41.784 --> 26:46.168 [SPEAKER_00]: And so like he is ready to give the word salad to an investor who doesn't get it. 26:46.268 --> 26:53.834 [SPEAKER_00]: And in the fact that Nathan Fielder was like, I fear you picked me because you know, I don't know the science and I won't be able to challenge 26:56.216 --> 27:10.402 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's exactly how she worked with the the investors that like right off the the bad in the first place like she was working with all these huge big name investors who who were kind of swindled and wowed by a woman just kind of. 27:13.800 --> 27:14.421 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 27:16.342 --> 27:19.784 [SPEAKER_01]: I wish I would have written it down because like Hank made a really good point in his video. 27:19.824 --> 27:29.351 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like talking about her, like for somebody to villainize the health, 27:30.232 --> 27:45.703 [SPEAKER_01]: industry in America, which needs to be villainized in a sense, but then also using that in a fault, using the villainization of it in a false way to like taking all this money is like even worse than just like pointing, I like, you know what I mean? 27:46.464 --> 27:47.424 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 27:47.704 --> 27:54.809 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think she, do you think it was in her intent to have him take the eggs from her? 27:55.410 --> 27:57.671 [SPEAKER_00]: I at first on first viewing 27:58.670 --> 28:18.145 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the audience was like groaning at him taking the eggs from her to do himself because it's like, oh, this man who's like, you hate him because he's like, uh, control and mansplainer, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 28:18.225 --> 28:34.641 [SPEAKER_00]: But then I saw people online being like, there's a world she was purposely weaponizing competence like beating the eggs poorly knowing he wouldn't be able to resist because he is controlling to take the eggs and do it himself and come across a certain way. 28:35.121 --> 28:35.542 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 28:35.762 --> 28:40.306 [SPEAKER_00]: In front of the camera, instead like is she was she purposely kind of 28:41.087 --> 28:42.367 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, going around the yoke. 28:42.927 --> 28:56.930 [SPEAKER_01]: And that was the entire who's on third scene with her him sitting there and reaffirming something he probably had said to her before the cameras even rolling, which is like, you just how many times did he say, like, you just see the world differently. 28:56.970 --> 28:59.471 [SPEAKER_01]: Your brain just works differently than other people. 28:59.831 --> 29:02.972 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it was a weaponized in competence in a lot of ways. 29:03.652 --> 29:04.792 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and I do think so. 29:05.052 --> 29:05.412 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 29:05.432 --> 29:07.653 [SPEAKER_01]: So she's watching the who's on first scene. 29:10.094 --> 29:16.195 [SPEAKER_00]: So she's she I she just watching to try she's just thinking in that moment like okay how 29:17.553 --> 29:27.380 [SPEAKER_00]: how does why is Nathan showing me this and is it in my best interest to understand it or is it in my best interest to not understand it and she makes that split decision in that moment. 29:27.460 --> 29:34.645 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I don't think I'm supposed to get it because that will align with me not understanding the nuance of words. 29:36.446 --> 29:40.169 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it felt like weaponized. 29:45.052 --> 29:56.496 [SPEAKER_00]: It's from a chair, a diagnosis of neurodivergency, like she knew she would be assessed in a certain way by people at home who will then use that assessment. 29:57.456 --> 30:04.159 [SPEAKER_00]: It's excuse other parts of her behavior, and it's like, yeah, felt nasty. 30:07.981 --> 30:15.366 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I, so I already said I didn't know Amanda Safery was going to show up for the last third of the movie, which was incredible. 30:15.646 --> 30:22.391 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like so enamored by every interaction with her and every real thought she gave us a real person. 30:22.411 --> 30:27.554 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I think she needed to be really like rounded out the experience. 30:27.694 --> 30:33.358 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they said I was reading and I said how well she was a stand-in for how the audience was feeling. 30:33.478 --> 30:37.743 [SPEAKER_01]: and a lot of what she vocalized was what we were saying in our heads while watching the film. 30:38.724 --> 30:54.581 [SPEAKER_01]: But like I never watched the dropout, I think it's on Hulu, and like when they showed the clip to when Nathan made Elizabeth watched the show of Amanda and I thought her voice was so bad. 30:55.161 --> 31:18.422 [SPEAKER_00]: But then in the last half third of the movie I'd like does she kind of feel like her well, you know what I think Amanda half took on this experience to redeem herself for what she thought was a bad portrayal She wouldn't have worn an Emmy I think she wanted Emmy or at least was nominated But I think what she performed in this was way better than what I've seen as clips of 31:18.822 --> 31:19.202 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 31:19.702 --> 31:20.382 [SPEAKER_00]: The other thing. 31:21.423 --> 31:26.304 [SPEAKER_01]: They said, getting Amanda to watch Elizabeth watching Amanda in the dropout. 31:27.604 --> 31:28.564 [SPEAKER_00]: It was crazy. 31:28.784 --> 31:31.345 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a free deception. 31:31.825 --> 31:32.645 [SPEAKER_00]: I loved it. 31:32.785 --> 31:36.706 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was it was it was hard to watch. 31:37.027 --> 31:40.407 [SPEAKER_00]: But also, yeah, I think Amanda was able to to 31:43.515 --> 32:03.981 [SPEAKER_00]: show us as the audience that a Nathan might have been compromised, and I think the final shot of the whole thing of him going into the water is like a confirmation that like the second half of the documentary where she has gone to prison and now everything is through his memory or 32:09.602 --> 32:14.945 [SPEAKER_00]: can we trust firsthand reports of anything, let alone second hand, third hand? 32:15.585 --> 32:28.211 [SPEAKER_00]: And I also saw somebody say, how do we know that that's even the house that he filmed the first half of the documentary in? 32:28.851 --> 32:32.373 [SPEAKER_00]: We know him to be somebody who recreates in time. 32:32.633 --> 32:33.353 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. 32:34.013 --> 32:36.435 [SPEAKER_01]: And so like, we don't know. 32:37.718 --> 32:43.722 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you, I had no idea is that Amanda was gonna show up and then play such a big part in the film. 32:44.202 --> 32:50.106 [SPEAKER_01]: And like when he takes her to the house and they're walking through and she's just like opening the microwave because I still haven't put together. 32:50.166 --> 32:52.267 [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that she's going to start re-enacting. 32:52.287 --> 32:53.988 [SPEAKER_01]: So I have to leave her. 32:54.088 --> 32:55.049 [SPEAKER_01]: I have to leave her. 32:55.749 --> 32:57.711 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, why is she opening that microwave? 32:57.851 --> 33:04.215 [SPEAKER_00]: And then she picks up the bowl and I'm like, oh, she picks up the egg bowl and I'm like, oh, my God. 33:04.675 --> 33:05.496 [SPEAKER_00]: Here we go. 33:07.222 --> 33:11.524 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, and then also Billy and Amanda fighting. 33:11.544 --> 33:16.866 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, and Billy tweeting all the like Charlie Kirk and pro Trump and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 33:17.066 --> 33:19.387 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, drive it to cyber, truck all around town. 33:19.988 --> 33:20.788 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it, I mean, 33:22.046 --> 33:28.152 [SPEAKER_00]: She's not mad because now is the best time in history to ever try to attempt to get a presidential pardon. 33:28.793 --> 33:42.347 [SPEAKER_00]: If you are a criminal in any capacity on a high level scale, it's not a bad idea to attempt to be pro-Trump and then see if that'll get you something. 33:42.607 --> 33:44.569 [SPEAKER_01]: It's working for Nicki Minaj. 33:45.610 --> 33:45.950 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it? 33:46.611 --> 33:46.951 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it? 33:47.791 --> 33:55.835 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know so I know a literally like as I'm walking out of the theater my dad calls me And he knows nothing of the story or nothing of the case. 33:55.935 --> 34:05.259 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like walking back to my apartment and telling him everything and then it was like a nice night out So and I if I got back to my building I was gonna like lose my dad and the elevator. 34:05.279 --> 34:08.440 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was just walking laps around this like park kind of by my house 34:09.080 --> 34:11.342 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, that's exactly what he said. 34:11.462 --> 34:17.166 [SPEAKER_01]: He was like, how do you know her husband's not just saying all this stuff now to try to get her a part of it? 34:17.346 --> 34:20.769 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh my god, I didn't even think of that, but you're exactly right. 34:21.429 --> 34:23.511 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it felt pretty like um 34:25.978 --> 34:51.427 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you're going to court any type of public opinion, the easiest public opinion of the court is a narcissist, a people who might like Charlie Kirk, like if you just align yourself with being maga, you've a built-in group of people who are dumb enough to lose for you or stand up for you or whatever. 34:51.927 --> 35:03.793 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I'm glad I saw it here in New York because it's like everybody laughed and grown and moaned at the exact same parts because it was pretty universal feelings, especially when they got to like the Charlie Kirk of it all. 35:04.534 --> 35:10.277 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm like, I wonder, I wonder how the reactions are, well, is anyone on the right seeing this film? 35:11.160 --> 35:12.441 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, maybe. 35:12.781 --> 35:15.484 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Billy's cock. 35:15.784 --> 35:16.484 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk. 35:17.085 --> 35:21.829 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think it was just, it's funny because it comes so early in the film. 35:22.149 --> 35:28.794 [SPEAKER_01]: But by the end, you're like, oh, he's a full-on narcissist, and you're like, ah, yes, that's why he whipped out Dong on cam. 35:29.635 --> 35:31.816 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I wasn't complaining. 35:31.836 --> 35:34.659 [SPEAKER_00]: And when it first happened, it was like, 35:35.993 --> 35:59.428 [SPEAKER_01]: okay work and then now if I were to rewatch it like I know the a fuller picture of who he is it's not so it's not so work it's a little like okay so after she goes to jail then there's like a two-year break and then they like pick back up the filming what did you think of them intentionally leaving in all of his coke sniffles I thought that I 36:00.035 --> 36:03.979 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, the impression of all the sniffles. 36:04.120 --> 36:05.121 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's on Coke. 36:05.161 --> 36:05.761 [SPEAKER_00]: For sure. 36:06.642 --> 36:07.984 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, it's for sure what it was. 36:08.024 --> 36:09.185 [SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, oh, they're tall. 36:09.205 --> 36:11.527 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess he's on Coke with all those Coke sniffles. 36:12.588 --> 36:18.715 [SPEAKER_00]: He was definitely giving, and it was with the lizards everywhere. 36:18.735 --> 36:20.837 [SPEAKER_00]: I love his Austin comp. 36:22.382 --> 36:26.463 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I also feel like, okay, didn't they have a big dog before? 36:26.543 --> 36:30.804 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they had a mast if at one point and then now there's lizards and snakes. 36:30.864 --> 36:36.985 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, um, definitely feels a little, where are they? 36:37.665 --> 36:43.766 [SPEAKER_00]: Another thing was, okay, so, remember the shot where they're like on the beach and he's like, I just love this exact moment. 36:43.806 --> 36:45.407 [SPEAKER_00]: They have their baby and they're holding each other. 36:45.687 --> 36:46.507 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't they have another kid? 36:46.607 --> 36:47.347 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, where? 36:47.607 --> 36:49.588 [SPEAKER_01]: I was literally like, where's the other child? 36:49.788 --> 36:50.708 [SPEAKER_00]: Bad time already? 36:51.588 --> 37:00.391 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I wanted to not speculate because it's like, you know, kids have sleepovers, kids have their own, that child has his own life. 37:00.431 --> 37:03.072 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not all about the Therano's storyline. 37:03.112 --> 37:04.792 [SPEAKER_00]: He's Therano's part, too. 37:05.533 --> 37:05.813 [SPEAKER_00]: He's men. 37:06.873 --> 37:07.553 [SPEAKER_01]: I had a lot. 37:07.733 --> 37:15.496 [SPEAKER_01]: I need you to reset me the what was the thing you posted out Instagram that was like my brain right now And it was like a montage and it's you. 37:15.756 --> 37:16.296 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll send it to you. 37:16.576 --> 37:32.982 [SPEAKER_00]: I can you know what I have a whole bunch of TikToks and Instagram Reels that are like analyses of the documents and them to you now that you've now that you've seen it Yeah, I thought it was I thought it was 37:34.330 --> 37:34.830 [SPEAKER_00]: wonderful. 37:35.531 --> 37:41.095 [SPEAKER_00]: And from a from a movie perspective, I thought they really 37:42.073 --> 37:44.394 [SPEAKER_00]: turned this into something. 37:44.414 --> 37:49.155 [SPEAKER_00]: Because on the surface, I went into it thinking, grow how in the hell is this three hours? 37:49.956 --> 37:51.816 [SPEAKER_00]: How? 37:52.176 --> 37:54.577 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the only spoiler I had. 37:55.217 --> 37:58.919 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I was nervous thinking it was gonna feel long going into it. 37:58.939 --> 38:00.139 [SPEAKER_01]: And then she went to jail. 38:00.679 --> 38:02.300 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, let me check my watch. 38:02.340 --> 38:07.461 [SPEAKER_01]: And I knew we had another hour left, and I was like, what could, I was like, he has to have something huge. 38:07.521 --> 38:08.902 [SPEAKER_01]: He has to have something damning. 38:10.262 --> 38:19.925 [SPEAKER_01]: I was glad that the last hour was all the Amanda Safe Read reenactments, but it didn't feel three hours to me and I was really happy with the whole thing. 38:19.945 --> 38:23.046 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, I've seen some of his shows and stuff watch to completion. 38:23.086 --> 38:34.950 [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess I should have known what to expect, but it was just really well done and beautifully shot and very tense and like anxiety and do singing at points, but then there would be really like exciting points. 38:35.810 --> 38:37.351 [SPEAKER_01]: Very much felt like that in a closer. 38:37.891 --> 38:46.603 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that like, from a movie making point of view, I was like, this really, this really was pretty good. 38:46.984 --> 38:50.729 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and I'm really like stuck on the water scene. 38:50.789 --> 38:51.590 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I just think, 38:53.832 --> 38:59.035 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that I just feel like that's him saying to the audience, yes, I got duped. 38:59.475 --> 39:08.639 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you been duped to like even I that like I'm so close to the subject have been duped and sucked into. 39:08.859 --> 39:09.799 [SPEAKER_00]: She's like a siren. 39:09.879 --> 39:14.822 [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, she paid him in and she and she succeeded and I feel like 39:16.017 --> 39:25.359 [SPEAKER_00]: He knew that what they wanted out of him, they got, they got an entire audience to speculate whether or not she intended to be evil or not. 39:26.499 --> 39:31.580 [SPEAKER_00]: And that is pretty valuable when you're trying to come back for part two and 11 years. 39:32.040 --> 39:38.862 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, she set herself up to at least have people possibly on her side, so she kind of won. 39:40.623 --> 39:48.792 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's got nine more years of jail time and and the way they made a man to say freed's crusty lips in that final reenact. 39:49.352 --> 39:50.193 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god. 39:50.253 --> 39:50.693 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god. 39:51.154 --> 39:54.517 [SPEAKER_00]: And the turkey jerky, not do I blame her for liking turkey jerky. 39:54.537 --> 39:56.820 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I like turkey jerky. 39:57.200 --> 39:58.020 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so interesting. 39:58.060 --> 40:03.583 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even I like that like the last shot, I'd forget which one was actually the last one. 40:03.603 --> 40:04.823 [SPEAKER_01]: If it was the water, water, what? 40:05.363 --> 40:10.525 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's like the 2% cult thing, because you do question so much of like who's being duped? 40:10.885 --> 40:12.166 [SPEAKER_01]: Do they really love each other? 40:12.366 --> 40:13.406 [SPEAKER_01]: What is this relationship? 40:13.867 --> 40:22.370 [SPEAKER_01]: And that like final shot of him handing her a bag of the turkey jerky while they're outside the prison yard playing with the turkey jerky? 40:22.610 --> 40:23.090 [SPEAKER_00]: Was that the 40:26.074 --> 40:27.981 [SPEAKER_00]: She was it was it saying like 40:29.453 --> 40:39.495 [SPEAKER_00]: everything, even when she's manipulating others to get, like she did, she got him to buy her, she got Nathan to buy her, that's her key tricky. 40:39.915 --> 40:52.298 [SPEAKER_00]: Is she still trickling down to Billy is Billy, the one who's profiting off of the manipulation that she's performing, or was that her, a different bag of turquoise, or is that a different tattoo? 40:52.538 --> 40:57.059 [SPEAKER_01]: And that he got her too, because they love each other and there are no two person call and he hasn't had sex in 900 days. 41:02.001 --> 41:11.844 [SPEAKER_01]: The way I want to watch it again, I'll wait and watch it from the comfort of my own couch when it comes out again, but what a roller coaster. 41:12.305 --> 41:15.586 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope Amanda's never can and does when in a ward for that. 41:17.566 --> 41:22.468 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just wanted to be one friend with her, I made me want to be friends with her so badly. 41:22.488 --> 41:27.110 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to go brush her, I want to go brush horses with her at her little horse farm. 41:28.089 --> 41:28.369 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 41:29.030 --> 41:29.370 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 41:29.610 --> 41:30.631 [SPEAKER_00]: You can do it. 41:31.352 --> 41:31.692 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 41:31.872 --> 41:32.973 [SPEAKER_00]: Anything else for you? 41:34.494 --> 41:35.135 [SPEAKER_00]: Not really. 41:35.295 --> 41:40.739 [SPEAKER_00]: Just if you've listened this far, what did you think of, you can see everything. 41:41.200 --> 41:45.883 [SPEAKER_00]: I would love to know, especially if you haven't seen it. 41:45.923 --> 41:50.287 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's no world you've listened this far, because you'll be like, what did we talking about? 41:50.327 --> 41:52.469 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you did see it, let us know what you think. 41:53.389 --> 41:55.151 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I want to see it again, and I'll report back. 41:56.072 --> 41:56.452 [SPEAKER_00]: That's all. 41:57.360 --> 41:58.421 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where people can find you. 41:58.461 --> 42:05.027 [SPEAKER_00]: I assume I have like five other hot topics, but we really we're out of time We got to leave them roll We're gonna have to wait. 42:05.488 --> 42:14.416 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, oh, if you if you did make it this far and you live in the U.S. vote Today today's voting day if you didn't vote already. 42:14.456 --> 42:15.196 [SPEAKER_01]: I voted early 42:16.017 --> 42:16.899 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, work. 42:16.939 --> 42:18.141 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll put that in the intro. 42:18.181 --> 42:20.605 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll just put a little something right there. 42:21.046 --> 42:21.707 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, great. 42:21.767 --> 42:23.130 [SPEAKER_00]: Corey, where can people find you voting? 42:23.450 --> 42:23.891 [SPEAKER_00]: Voting. 42:24.472 --> 42:25.434 [SPEAKER_00]: Although you voted. 42:26.095 --> 42:28.599 [SPEAKER_00]: You can find me voting, even though I already voted. 42:29.080 --> 42:29.320 [SPEAKER_00]: So.