WEBVTT 00:03.743 --> 00:04.684 [SPEAKER_02]: Happy Friday, everybody. 00:05.465 --> 00:13.216 [SPEAKER_02]: Coming up, we've got two veterans who have a shared affinity or smedly butler. 00:13.596 --> 00:18.362 [SPEAKER_02]: And we are going to talk about chasing ghosts and other issues going on. 00:18.402 --> 00:21.547 [SPEAKER_02]: We've got Bill Buepert coming up next. 00:23.125 --> 00:27.726 [SPEAKER_00]: America is a special and unique country when it is governed properly. 00:28.626 --> 00:33.868 [SPEAKER_00]: Our founding fathers made it unique by creating the structure in the parameters of the Constitution. 00:34.408 --> 00:40.229 [SPEAKER_00]: They are in team the balance of power among three cold equal branches of government. 00:40.249 --> 00:49.211 [SPEAKER_00]: The executive led by the president, the legislating, providing for the Senate and the House of Representatives, and the judiciary led by the Supreme Court. 00:53.913 --> 00:57.837 [SPEAKER_02]: Classical liberalism, what a concept, man. 00:57.997 --> 01:01.580 [SPEAKER_02]: Where would we be if we had an actual balance of power in our government right now? 01:02.441 --> 01:03.362 [SPEAKER_02]: Three co-equal branches. 01:03.863 --> 01:08.427 [SPEAKER_02]: But hey, I've got Bill Buper here, who is the Spedley Butler 01:09.368 --> 01:26.375 [SPEAKER_02]: fellow for military affairs at the Libertarian Institute also the host of Chasing Ghosts in a regular warfare podcast which is absolutely excellent, highly recommend it, and the author of Zero Gov, limited government unicorns and other mythological creatures out of the heck of a name, I love it. 01:26.916 --> 01:28.216 [SPEAKER_02]: But Bill, welcome. 01:28.436 --> 01:29.537 [SPEAKER_02]: It is great to have you on here. 01:30.190 --> 01:43.293 [SPEAKER_01]: It is such a privilege, you and I met recently and for those who are listening and maybe watching, you and I happen to be neighbors as we're in the glorious Florida Panhandle here in Florida, Bama. 01:43.834 --> 01:51.536 [SPEAKER_01]: I am an OG Floridium, one of 250 people in the state, actually born in the state, but I love the state. 01:52.796 --> 01:54.078 [SPEAKER_01]: crossing the border from Alabama. 01:54.138 --> 01:55.139 [SPEAKER_01]: I love Alabama, by the way. 01:55.660 --> 01:58.844 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just went to the battleship more recently and it is I must see. 01:59.404 --> 02:03.510 [SPEAKER_01]: So I cross the board and says welcome to the Free State of Florida. 02:03.910 --> 02:04.431 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's great. 02:04.931 --> 02:08.736 [SPEAKER_01]: In addition to chasing ghost, I have warnotes which is a conventional podcast where I 02:09.317 --> 02:11.938 [SPEAKER_01]: took the rubric and umbrella of a regular warfare. 02:12.338 --> 02:15.139 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, well, can I talk about conventional warfare now and others? 02:15.199 --> 02:29.884 [SPEAKER_01]: So I've done 21 episodes of those to include fixing fight club, which you may be acquainted with, in which I did a series when the new administration came in, to address what we could do to unscrew the DOD, what is now the DOW. 02:30.444 --> 02:36.886 [SPEAKER_01]: And make it a 21st century force, instead of this magnificently overpriced 20th century force, 02:37.426 --> 02:40.868 [SPEAKER_01]: not fit for purpose in this century for any kind of warfare. 02:41.648 --> 02:43.709 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that is that is awesome. 02:43.909 --> 02:45.130 [SPEAKER_02]: It is also a great podcast. 02:45.290 --> 02:46.310 [SPEAKER_02]: I am remiss. 02:46.911 --> 02:47.711 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not mentioning it. 02:48.211 --> 02:53.594 [SPEAKER_02]: It's also happens to be a pretty regular topic on this show, but how to unass everything for like the better term. 02:53.614 --> 02:55.295 [SPEAKER_02]: It was talking about it kind of at length yesterday. 02:55.875 --> 02:57.336 [SPEAKER_01]: More people need to talk about that, Jim. 02:57.716 --> 02:57.896 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 02:59.064 --> 03:04.392 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's a, it's a, it's a glaring issue for people like yourself who understand where we're at. 03:04.412 --> 03:05.053 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 03:05.514 --> 03:13.786 [SPEAKER_02]: The first thing I want to do here, Bill, is, could you walk us through your background because you're, I, I find you to be, just absolutely incredible. 03:14.566 --> 03:20.870 [SPEAKER_02]: But some of my viewers might not know exactly who you are, and I want to introduce you to them. 03:20.890 --> 03:23.832 [SPEAKER_02]: So basically, how did you end up in the military? 03:24.172 --> 03:24.953 [SPEAKER_02]: And how is this? 03:25.253 --> 03:29.396 [SPEAKER_02]: These are very broad questions, but like, and how is it informed your perspective today? 03:30.752 --> 03:37.297 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to keep this sweet because I don't like to talk about my short, sweet short and sweet because I don't like to talk about myself too much. 03:37.838 --> 03:38.498 [SPEAKER_01]: I grew up poor. 03:38.618 --> 03:39.579 [SPEAKER_01]: I was not a black child. 03:39.799 --> 03:41.321 [SPEAKER_01]: I tires on my roof in a single wide. 03:41.681 --> 03:42.662 [SPEAKER_01]: I am a high school dropout. 03:43.102 --> 03:47.085 [SPEAKER_01]: The US Navy provided me an opportunity in my late teen years to join. 03:47.626 --> 03:52.469 [SPEAKER_01]: I joined the US Navy and I said, oh look, a six year. 03:53.350 --> 03:57.075 [SPEAKER_01]: opportunity to to be a new guy nuclear nuclear reactors and such. 03:57.515 --> 03:59.217 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but this is a four-year assignment. 03:59.678 --> 04:02.782 [SPEAKER_01]: So I said, no, I'll do the four-year assignment as an intelligence geek. 04:03.282 --> 04:07.668 [SPEAKER_01]: So I did that, but I ended up staying in for nearly 04:08.809 --> 04:29.063 [SPEAKER_01]: six years and then in that time I went to the reserves, I went to the naval reserves that I'm matriculated into the army reserves in 12th special forces group at Hamilton Air Field in Marin County, California because I went to Humboldt State University, which is now known as Humboldt Polytechnic. 04:29.404 --> 04:32.846 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you found Berkeley too right wing and oppressive, you went to my school 04:35.568 --> 04:42.194 [SPEAKER_01]: And what really favored me in doing that is I have been a instinctive anti-communist all my life. 04:42.294 --> 04:47.339 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been a small, libertarian since my early 20s. 04:47.919 --> 04:52.964 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's just so happens that there's a gentleman by name of Robert Conquest in this 1980s. 04:53.004 --> 04:55.466 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a criminalologist, which means that he like 04:55.706 --> 05:03.968 [SPEAKER_01]: others studied the Kremlin's study the Russians for the United States or others in both the Academy and government positions and gave them an idea of what they were about and what they were doing. 05:04.288 --> 05:06.368 [SPEAKER_01]: Conquest was a severe anti-Communist. 05:06.868 --> 05:09.549 [SPEAKER_01]: He was and most Kremlinologists were not. 05:10.149 --> 05:20.811 [SPEAKER_01]: So the opportunity to go down to the Hoover Institution to be a summer intern with Robert Conquest came up and no one in the university wanted to do that because he was an anti-Communist. 05:21.151 --> 05:22.451 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was an anti-Communist. 05:23.171 --> 05:28.774 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what I'm saying is I got that internship not because of my native brilliance, but because I have to be anti-collectivist. 05:29.515 --> 05:32.737 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was in the Reserve School in college, got my college degree in three years. 05:33.639 --> 05:37.821 [SPEAKER_01]: matriculated into the U.S. Army for a commission to avoid C-duty in the Navy. 05:38.522 --> 05:48.347 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was in O-3E, which is a former enlisted, so that gives you sort of an edge up in those first three company grade ranks. 05:49.087 --> 05:56.271 [SPEAKER_01]: I did infantry and military intelligence, and because of my previous SF assignment assignments, 06:03.646 --> 06:07.509 [SPEAKER_01]: become the intelligence officer for first special forces group in Okinawa. 06:08.110 --> 06:20.380 [SPEAKER_01]: First, the first, which is the extent like first attempt, they are the only two special forces battalion in the entire inventory that is deployed overseas in Japan and Okinawa respectively. 06:20.820 --> 06:24.183 [SPEAKER_01]: Retired in 2003, I did not want to give them all in the Iraq War. 06:24.763 --> 06:33.230 [SPEAKER_01]: What is unheralded is that there was a junior officer rebellion from 2001 to 2003 when all of us in the intelligence community. 06:33.250 --> 06:35.492 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that this was same in three letter agencies. 06:35.873 --> 06:41.297 [SPEAKER_01]: We were doing all the analytics and nothing of the 21 causesbelly that Bush talked about. 06:41.538 --> 06:42.398 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 06:42.679 --> 06:43.900 [SPEAKER_01]: None of them paned out. 06:44.020 --> 06:44.400 [SPEAKER_01]: None of them. 06:44.480 --> 06:46.562 [SPEAKER_01]: So retired in 2003. 06:47.723 --> 06:50.906 [SPEAKER_01]: Took four years to get the lead out living in glorious northern Idaho. 06:51.486 --> 06:52.387 [SPEAKER_01]: Then I ran out of money. 06:52.987 --> 06:54.908 [SPEAKER_01]: Even on my retirement, my modest retirement. 06:55.289 --> 06:56.689 [SPEAKER_01]: So I had to get work as a contractor. 06:57.230 --> 07:17.462 [SPEAKER_01]: I Contracted down in Arizona for a while and then I found an opportunity in 13 and 15 to deploy to afghanistan as a contractor In the first year there I was in Kabul and I was Mentoring coaching the general staff at the afghan National Army and then at 15 I went up near the Uzbekye border 07:18.182 --> 07:29.926 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was, I was a Mazar E. Sharif and I was coaching and mentoring and a sock, the Afghan National Army, Special Operations Command Troops, who were up there and that was really interesting. 07:30.286 --> 07:40.130 [SPEAKER_01]: Then I got an opportunity from the prime for whom I worked in Afghanistan to come back home and colonists and stay home and stop deploying the family and applaud me to do so. 07:40.690 --> 07:41.571 [SPEAKER_01]: And here I am. 07:42.251 --> 07:45.794 [SPEAKER_01]: As far as you had mentioned, zero gov, I idoled that in 2021. 07:46.114 --> 07:54.340 [SPEAKER_01]: It may rise out of the ashes in the next few years or so, but I think I've found myself not so much concerned with liberty. 07:54.440 --> 07:57.803 [SPEAKER_01]: Even though I always am, I remain an aspirational abolitionist. 07:58.463 --> 08:11.448 [SPEAKER_01]: The military topic, so what I see is military malpractice, a lack of martial imagination, strategic deficit disorder, and that kind of thing throughout the entire Western military milieu is so disturbing to me. 08:12.008 --> 08:22.752 [SPEAKER_01]: So I started chasing ghosts, then war notes, and M&N toes like yourself have reached out to me when you've heard my beloved Asians and said, hey, come on in and talk about what you got here we are. 08:23.892 --> 08:24.272 [SPEAKER_02]: Nice. 08:24.352 --> 08:25.373 [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate all that. 08:26.513 --> 08:44.258 [SPEAKER_02]: So I found this is just kind of personal experience here with a lot of people that They go into the military, you end up being somewhat idealistic about different bits and pieces, you know, you do see the movies and the series from World War II, like my dad wasn't Vietnam, all I ever wanted to do is be a Marine and 08:46.737 --> 08:50.658 [SPEAKER_02]: When you come out the back end, your perspective has shifted tremendously. 08:52.319 --> 08:58.400 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not so, I wouldn't say it's negative, but you get like, smacked in the face with realism. 08:59.241 --> 09:06.543 [SPEAKER_02]: Time and time again, and some will argue it makes you cynical, which is actually, I just think of way to redefine. 09:07.163 --> 09:07.504 [SPEAKER_02]: realism. 09:08.105 --> 09:08.626 [SPEAKER_01]: I think so too. 09:11.169 --> 09:17.239 [SPEAKER_02]: But, um, how did, uh, did you go through any kind of perspective shift, um, from your time, and I've been saying it in your time in the military? 09:17.860 --> 09:20.023 [SPEAKER_01]: My gosh, uh, yes, Jim, I did. 09:20.183 --> 09:22.407 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, and I did what, I want to emphasize this. 09:22.687 --> 09:25.891 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, I was a middleing NCO and a middleing officer in the military. 09:26.331 --> 09:32.238 [SPEAKER_01]: I was not like your father, who I hold in the highest regard in both uniform and without. 09:32.599 --> 09:35.282 [SPEAKER_01]: I was not smoothly deep-bottler or anything like that. 09:35.642 --> 09:37.164 [SPEAKER_01]: Scott Horton wrote over the L.I. 09:37.204 --> 09:39.687 [SPEAKER_01]: gave me the opportunity to name my own chair, so I did. 09:40.188 --> 09:41.489 [SPEAKER_01]: After one of my favorite Marines. 09:42.150 --> 09:45.972 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm not coming forward like Colonel McGregor, for instance. 09:46.452 --> 09:47.733 [SPEAKER_01]: I hold him in the highest regard. 09:48.013 --> 09:53.576 [SPEAKER_01]: There are certain things that he and I disagree on, and he did extraordinary things in the military. 09:53.976 --> 10:04.701 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I look at this as a middleing practitioner, a scholar who's read a lot about this, an amateur military historian, and those are the things that I draw from. 10:04.821 --> 10:06.402 [SPEAKER_01]: And as far as cynicism is concerned, 10:06.922 --> 10:08.283 [SPEAKER_01]: I am absolutely cynical. 10:08.303 --> 10:13.785 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, one of the taglines on my site is that all wars are won by the least incompetent forces. 10:15.585 --> 10:16.366 [SPEAKER_02]: So true, though. 10:16.626 --> 10:17.666 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 10:18.166 --> 10:18.446 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 10:18.587 --> 10:26.249 [SPEAKER_02]: But so what do you you run at over its libertarians to run this back to like the basic hit the whole post World War II era? 10:26.269 --> 10:34.213 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have you found any common themes within US military failure, adventurousism, or is it just a series of just like random 10:35.769 --> 10:41.436 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I think, you know, of course you're going to have random asthma stakes, I think that's a great qualifier. 10:41.837 --> 10:51.810 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course you are because as class fits taught us in conflict and war, fog, friction, those things that you did not plan on, they're inevitably going to occur. 10:52.390 --> 11:00.974 [SPEAKER_01]: I know this is a family show, so I won't cuss, but you'll get where I say this otherwise, but Newton's third law is a stone-cold mother-for-acker. 11:01.354 --> 11:04.456 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it, and it will visit you every time. 11:04.816 --> 11:08.237 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you and I are familiar where they say, oh, artillery is the king of battle. 11:08.277 --> 11:09.238 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not Murphy, yes. 11:09.778 --> 11:21.981 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, her fias because things are inevitably going to get screwed up and all those great constructs and planning and you must plan there's no doubt on my mind all those great constructs and planning if they don't have the 11:23.140 --> 11:31.745 [SPEAKER_01]: liquidity, intellectual honesty, and adaptive capability to change on a dime when they have to. 11:32.165 --> 11:34.346 [SPEAKER_01]: This was embraced by German mission command theory. 11:34.606 --> 11:36.767 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to put you to the German, Alth-Trach tactic. 11:37.108 --> 11:37.488 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll try. 11:37.728 --> 11:42.050 [SPEAKER_01]: Please, apologies for many German speakers if I pronounce that wrong. 11:42.290 --> 11:42.951 [SPEAKER_01]: But what it says is, 11:43.731 --> 11:55.814 [SPEAKER_01]: young officers in the field like Bill and Jim, we're there at the platoon company level, the bloody edge of the spear, and we know the intent of the commander in the German army four levels up in the American army three levels up. 11:56.414 --> 12:06.317 [SPEAKER_01]: So in the American army, as a platoon leader, I have to know the batain commanders intent, and what he was told by his brigade or regimental commander to get done. 12:06.957 --> 12:26.466 [SPEAKER_01]: If I know that, and everybody's decimated, but I've also informed my troops so that when they're on the bloody edge as they are, and every company commander to my left and right is decimated to include my battalion commander, I can still carry on the fight if I'm the senior officer in charge because I know what we're trying to accomplish. 12:26.926 --> 12:31.388 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, the biggest illustration of this is that in the, in the, in the, 12:32.228 --> 12:39.451 [SPEAKER_01]: Spring of 1940, when the Germans were to launch their French campaign, you had Goudurian and Manstein and all the rest of them. 12:40.012 --> 12:43.793 [SPEAKER_01]: They were on the Eastern border of France, where Germany and France meet. 12:44.234 --> 12:46.155 [SPEAKER_01]: And they were saying, look, here's the plan. 12:46.535 --> 12:49.496 [SPEAKER_01]: I need you guys in 60 days to be on the Atlantic. 12:50.036 --> 12:51.197 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you need from me? 12:51.577 --> 12:53.338 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't hand them this three-inch thick 12:54.532 --> 13:08.021 [SPEAKER_01]: Binder, he didn't micro-manage and nano-manage them at the molecular level to tell them what to do because of the character and training and discipline of German arms at the time. 13:08.041 --> 13:16.948 [SPEAKER_01]: And this goes back to the Reichswehr in World War I, prior to the vermacht, that he knew that he could send these guys out there and they would get the job done. 13:17.688 --> 13:22.090 [SPEAKER_01]: There's this crazy notion in the West where all the Germans were automatons. 13:22.130 --> 13:39.998 [SPEAKER_01]: They were this, no, they weren't because, well, what they were, the, the Prussian since 1805 had a culture of disobedience in the 1870s, when the, when the, I'm having to see in your moment here, the one France and Germany were having an, an armed kerfuffle, 13:41.555 --> 13:44.017 [SPEAKER_01]: the leader at the time said, hey, what we're going to do is this. 13:44.437 --> 13:52.645 [SPEAKER_01]: When you're out there in the fray, if you disobey my orders, but you achieve my intent, all is forgiven. 13:52.685 --> 13:54.427 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you a hug when you get back to headquarters. 13:55.287 --> 14:01.073 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, by the way, that's not the way Americans have fought traditionally. 14:01.113 --> 14:01.773 [SPEAKER_01]: As a matter of fact, 14:03.074 --> 14:10.918 [SPEAKER_01]: If we had employed mission command, maybe in that last year in World War I, but World War I's a separate topic altogether, but let's just concentrate on World War II. 14:11.898 --> 14:17.401 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we wouldn't have taken as long as we did to defeat Germany in alliance with Russia. 14:17.921 --> 14:29.767 [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, in the Pacific Theater of Operations, maybe if we had hanged everybody at the torpedo ordnance board for their malpractice, the Pacific War would have ended in the summer of 44 instead of the summer of 45. 14:34.011 --> 14:37.993 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did not expect that last piece in there, but that's interesting point. 14:38.013 --> 14:39.914 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I'll try to talk to him. 14:40.294 --> 14:50.657 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it should be noted that the Marine Corps borrowed from the Germans and attempted to implement it and I would say more so than any other force. 14:50.957 --> 14:51.338 [SPEAKER_02]: I agree. 14:51.578 --> 14:57.860 [SPEAKER_02]: It's there and on a personal note, I had this drilled into me from the time that I understood words. 14:58.961 --> 15:09.311 [SPEAKER_02]: in tent-based leadership and on a kind of a funny practical level, there was never an excuse as the oldest kid in the house to not know what the intent was and to get it done. 15:10.313 --> 15:16.879 [SPEAKER_02]: But in a paid dividends and it's a, I had an interesting conversation with Alex Andrew McHurris or earlier this week. 15:16.899 --> 15:18.381 [SPEAKER_02]: He's been a bunch of time with, 15:19.910 --> 15:44.148 [SPEAKER_02]: The Russians recently, and I guess the, I forget the exact town it was, but it's where one of their guards airborne units is headquartered, and he mentioned, well, we were talking through American planning, we're always great on the front end, but we don't finish, but then there's a certain adaptability on the back end of the Russians have, they tend to finish very strong, no matter what conflict they're in. 15:45.976 --> 15:54.580 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think as accurate in how, how do you think the U.S. doctrine has either failed to fully embrace it at a big level, or gotten away from it? 15:54.660 --> 15:58.981 [SPEAKER_02]: I blame the G-Wat for a lot of these problems to be white-franck. 15:59.181 --> 16:02.403 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Jim, it's like you read my mind because if you see, 16:03.083 --> 16:06.664 [SPEAKER_01]: the Russian transformation of arms from 1943 to 1945. 16:07.245 --> 16:29.013 [SPEAKER_01]: You read some of David's Hell's Work, which talks about when Barbarossa happened, and the Germans launched in the summer of 1941, bringing campaign at the tactical operational level, not so good at the strategic level, because the thing that they did not architect correctly ever was German logistics always sucked. 16:29.673 --> 16:30.294 [SPEAKER_01]: It always sucked. 16:30.974 --> 16:31.855 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know what they say. 16:32.015 --> 16:35.017 [SPEAKER_01]: They say that the amateur is concerned with tactics. 16:35.618 --> 16:38.781 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the professionals can serve logistics. 16:39.421 --> 16:41.823 [SPEAKER_01]: But the war winner is concerned with fuel. 16:42.784 --> 16:45.566 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the third part that people have to consider. 16:45.906 --> 16:52.051 [SPEAKER_01]: And you have to be able to get the fuel forward to move maneuver and third and fourth generation warfare. 16:52.572 --> 16:53.412 [SPEAKER_01]: So I have 16:54.309 --> 17:05.036 [SPEAKER_01]: great respect for the Russians as I do for the vermacht in the Reichswehr doesn't mean that I have to sign on to their political agendas, people associate that vermacht SS Nazi. 17:05.076 --> 17:09.219 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you appreciate what the vermacht did then obviously appreciate the Nazis. 17:09.379 --> 17:10.200 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't. 17:10.320 --> 17:23.129 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean how many times have you and I watched movies and documentaries where they say and the Nazis and then they followed up with the military campaign, well, the why don't we say the American Democrats did such a such the the English Labour Party 17:23.669 --> 17:26.971 [SPEAKER_01]: forward with their military foot, we don't do that kind of garbage. 17:27.291 --> 17:38.057 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, thank God, I think, Martyr May, Derrick Cooper is doing, he's on the third iteration of his third episode of his enemy podcast on things from the German perspective. 17:38.677 --> 17:49.983 [SPEAKER_01]: And as a professional military officer, you were also, I'm certain your father would agree with this, I am going to study the best and most successful, even if they ultimately lost, 17:50.583 --> 18:07.346 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to study who they were, what they were about, and how they did what they did until April 1945 in single one-on-one encounters between the Germans and anybody who was opposed against them, they would usually prevail or provide a stalemate till April 1945. 18:07.666 --> 18:14.887 [SPEAKER_01]: And by that time, I'm telling you, in the early spring and late winter of 1942, let's say December 1941, until 18:19.390 --> 18:31.194 [SPEAKER_01]: January, February, March, 1942, the Germans did well, but then Hitler, the epic strategic genius he was, said, hey, that Alph-Track's tactic that we practice, you can no longer do that. 18:31.574 --> 18:42.557 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to micro-manage you with the Automistic level, and you are not be able to do that, and that's why you see this trend line in the campaigns there, and the Russians have been trading time and time for space. 18:43.017 --> 18:44.538 [SPEAKER_01]: For so long, they saw this, 18:46.258 --> 18:53.100 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they instituted that something had changed in the way command was being practiced and they leapt on it. 18:53.160 --> 19:12.006 [SPEAKER_01]: And that transformation between 43 and 45 with Russian arms so often, how many times was it drilled into you and I as young officers or young NCOs were, oh those Russians, Soviet doctrine is so impractical and so immovable and so no, no it isn't, it's very good and you want to see great practice of it. 19:12.626 --> 19:13.486 [SPEAKER_01]: Look at the Vietnamese. 19:14.147 --> 19:15.027 [SPEAKER_01]: Look at the Koreans. 19:15.347 --> 19:17.548 [SPEAKER_01]: As a matter of fact, I'm going to surprise you with this maybe. 19:18.008 --> 19:28.193 [SPEAKER_01]: Look at Cuban performance in Africa in the early 80s and what they did to the South Africans, who were I would suggest one of the, no, the best 19:29.603 --> 19:31.925 [SPEAKER_01]: First World Armed Forces in Africa's history. 19:32.586 --> 19:32.986 [SPEAKER_01]: Barnett. 19:33.346 --> 19:33.747 [SPEAKER_02]: No one else. 19:34.187 --> 19:40.913 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do not, honestly, I do not know much about the conflict in South Africa. 19:41.293 --> 19:43.815 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, much about Cuban involvement in particular. 19:44.336 --> 19:45.136 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. 19:45.977 --> 19:46.458 [SPEAKER_02]: Angola. 19:46.718 --> 19:59.573 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I've read a couple of books about mercenaries who fought there, um, just as like something entertaining and ball deployed basically, uh, but in terms of like my, my scope with historical study centers around eastern front of World War II. 19:59.753 --> 19:59.993 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 20:00.294 --> 20:02.777 [SPEAKER_02]: The interstitled mastery David Stahell. 20:03.237 --> 20:03.978 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, put it on your list. 20:04.298 --> 20:04.638 [SPEAKER_02]: I will. 20:04.918 --> 20:05.219 [SPEAKER_02]: I will. 20:05.599 --> 20:12.364 [SPEAKER_02]: But you brought up a couple of things there that are kind of fascinating like I always go back to on the Easter front. 20:12.684 --> 20:15.746 [SPEAKER_02]: Battle of Kersk being very, very micromanaged. 20:15.806 --> 20:18.588 [SPEAKER_02]: He basically hitler basically ignored everybody. 20:19.629 --> 20:20.490 [SPEAKER_02]: All the warning signs. 20:21.230 --> 20:24.372 [SPEAKER_02]: And watched is the Russians or the Soviets built at a fence in depth. 20:24.392 --> 20:25.773 [SPEAKER_02]: And then through his guys into the teeth of it. 20:26.494 --> 20:29.636 [SPEAKER_02]: But then more practically, a bunch of mankind's miracles will come 20:31.177 --> 20:39.008 [SPEAKER_02]: He utilized his own, I guess, defenses up at sacrifice so much infantry the translovies guys down because they didn't have a hard defensive line to go back to. 20:39.028 --> 20:41.812 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to have a build, but then you talk about 20:43.163 --> 21:04.000 [SPEAKER_02]: How you study the folks who have lost one thing that surprised me as a young, a youngster, is to learn that the Germans prior to developing or in the midst of developing Blitzkrieg came to the United States and studied Stomol Jackson's Battle of Chancellorsville, Nathan Bedford Forest, you say that, I'm going to show Mike a cancel if he would say his name now. 21:04.440 --> 21:12.672 [SPEAKER_02]: But at the Battle of Bryce's Crossroads in particular, or both instances I may not have had direct ancestors, just painting on the list. 21:13.173 --> 21:19.042 [SPEAKER_01]: My, I can't say this, but my, my children are in the bloodline of Stonewall Jackson because my, 21:19.882 --> 21:24.344 [SPEAKER_01]: My wife has the blood of Stonewall Jackson as a relative. 21:24.784 --> 21:36.129 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, when it comes to the American Civil War, because from 1778 from 1775 to 1783 that was a first American Civil War, they were divorce proceedings from London. 21:36.829 --> 21:40.773 [SPEAKER_01]: of British citizens, yes, technically civil war. 21:41.293 --> 22:04.033 [SPEAKER_01]: Apox on both houses in the between the Confederacy and the Union, but brilliant military art in the first three years, practiced by the Confederacy, and if the Confederacy had, again, going back to my chasing ghost roots, the Confederacy had organized and legitimized a genuinely and abundantly supplied guerrilla campaign. 22:04.933 --> 22:16.905 [SPEAKER_01]: on the front lines and in northern areas, I think things may have turned out differently, but the American Civil War spun on approval by the Europeans of the Confederate states. 22:17.826 --> 22:23.031 [SPEAKER_01]: If that diplomatic approval did not happen and it didn't happen, they would never succeed. 22:23.651 --> 22:27.733 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, at a high level, let's flash forward to today a little bit. 22:27.753 --> 22:27.933 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. 22:28.213 --> 22:29.253 [SPEAKER_02]: It's much enjoying that. 22:29.673 --> 22:32.634 [SPEAKER_02]: We could spend an entire episode on that five more so part more. 22:32.734 --> 22:33.575 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we sure? 22:33.855 --> 22:34.335 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely. 22:34.795 --> 22:41.618 [SPEAKER_02]: But so today, US doctrine today, it is a mess from top to bottom. 22:41.918 --> 22:43.378 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll just, oh, I'll catch this. 22:43.418 --> 22:46.539 [SPEAKER_02]: You've used the term, I've seen the term, Iran's Bosaic Defense. 22:46.959 --> 22:47.160 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 22:47.600 --> 22:47.800 [SPEAKER_02]: Which? 22:48.910 --> 22:49.811 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's phenomenal. 22:50.532 --> 22:54.136 [SPEAKER_02]: I've kind of put you did by mentioning several times on my show. 22:54.737 --> 23:01.624 [SPEAKER_02]: It is a symmetrical conventional warfare where they're just sitting in the seam of our gaps or slash vulnerabilities for those out there. 23:04.452 --> 23:19.777 [SPEAKER_02]: out of baseline, you know, I was hoping that this administration was going to use the second term to be an administration of peace, to bid to, and to retool our doctrine, our capabilities based on what they had seen in Ukraine. 23:21.117 --> 23:41.383 [SPEAKER_02]: and Russia and it's a war that they promised to get us out of there they would take the lessons home we would integrate it say hey you know we've got this national security document that says we need to prepare for conventional fights against peer enemies um so we're gonna try to figure out what they're doing um so we're the gaps the major gaps you see and where are they most apparent in this conflict with ira 23:42.183 --> 23:49.350 [SPEAKER_01]: So, the major gaps when it comes to, let's go from front end to back end, front end would be, of course, the goal of our moves. 23:49.991 --> 23:57.198 [SPEAKER_01]: The biggest gaps, and Jim, I think you're probably slightly familiar, I have a bone on my teeth, and your dad will know that means, and so do you. 23:57.579 --> 23:59.320 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a bone on my teeth when it comes to, uh, 23:59.981 --> 24:04.265 [SPEAKER_01]: carriers and navy surface warfresh ships and bluewater combat. 24:04.705 --> 24:08.389 [SPEAKER_01]: It is a complete waste of time and resources. 24:08.889 --> 24:10.411 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel the same way about man tanks. 24:10.871 --> 24:13.794 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel the same way about man combat aircraft. 24:14.194 --> 24:18.698 [SPEAKER_01]: So, matter of fact, there's a trifecta of things that are going to paint what 24:19.659 --> 24:32.590 [SPEAKER_01]: conflict around the planet looks like in the next 25 years, and that's going to be robotics, autonomous targeting, and hypersonic offensive and defensive, and variations of permutations from all of those. 24:32.910 --> 24:44.259 [SPEAKER_01]: And you will note that robotics is an umbrella rubric one can use to talk about UAVs, FPVs, on man-ground vehicles, on man-surface vehicles, on man-sub-surface vehicles, all of those. 24:48.783 --> 24:54.807 [SPEAKER_01]: DOW, they give it lip service, but they're not paying attention to it. 24:54.947 --> 25:00.650 [SPEAKER_01]: As far as Iran is concerned, then, at the front bleeding edge, their game is a game of waiting. 25:00.831 --> 25:07.835 [SPEAKER_01]: They can wait out, 65% I urge all of your viewers to take listeners to. 25:08.255 --> 25:12.578 [SPEAKER_01]: To take a look at a map of Iran, and you will find that, if you look at that, 25:14.277 --> 25:21.239 [SPEAKER_01]: Western third, third, plus 60% mountainous when you look at it, if you look at it topographically. 25:21.840 --> 25:24.581 [SPEAKER_01]: Mountainous terrain is never friendly to American arms. 25:24.641 --> 25:31.763 [SPEAKER_01]: As a matter of fact, I would suggest to you that mountainous terrain, even in the sage of robotics, is not friendly to any conventional arms. 25:32.143 --> 25:35.284 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason why the Russians finally said to the Chetian's. 25:36.985 --> 25:38.327 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, no moss, no moss. 25:38.647 --> 25:43.772 [SPEAKER_01]: It's what the Turks have so much trouble with the PKK and the Kurds. 25:44.193 --> 25:56.946 [SPEAKER_01]: It's why the Spanish and the French had so much trouble with the Basque separatist in the ETA, as a matter of fact, how did the original British forces fare against? 25:57.943 --> 26:16.167 [SPEAKER_01]: Appalachian troops here in the United States, I mean wherever there are mountains there are going to be a lot of problems for conventional formations that also brings us to the next thing what happens between sensors and effectors with the West you have to have a radar or radar set. 26:16.587 --> 26:42.080 [SPEAKER_01]: That can look I-O-E-R, what a I-O thermal, whatever the case may be, very expensive, very hard to build, very long to build, and very vulnerable, because what one would have to do with effectors, which are all the missiles and things like that, involved in integrated air missile defenses, if you don't know what you're firing at, which is a radar permit you to do, because that's where you're targeting methodology comes out. 26:42.720 --> 26:49.323 [SPEAKER_01]: The Iranians blinded America, the Iranians have literally, and I think this also goes for Israel to a certain extent. 26:50.143 --> 26:56.786 [SPEAKER_01]: What they did is they said, hey, what we're going to do, and this is a supposition on my part, we're going to target radar sets. 26:57.206 --> 26:58.106 [SPEAKER_01]: It makes perfect sense. 26:58.627 --> 27:06.550 [SPEAKER_01]: You and I had a discussion briefly about if we put ourselves in our own command seats, and we were defending the country, or whatever the case may be. 27:07.050 --> 27:11.712 [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm invaded by America, for instance, the first thing I'm going to target is portable power. 27:12.312 --> 27:12.492 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 27:12.652 --> 27:14.214 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to take out all your gen sets. 27:14.394 --> 27:16.096 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to take out all your generator mechanics. 27:16.637 --> 27:18.639 [SPEAKER_01]: Every time you light one off, I'm going to kill it. 27:19.520 --> 27:27.889 [SPEAKER_01]: I won't bother to kill anything else as a matter of fact in the first 72 hours, and you will be combat ineffective from the American perspective. 27:28.309 --> 27:33.915 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't know if you've had the misfortune of spending time in military talks, whether they're U.S. MC. 27:34.636 --> 27:45.760 [SPEAKER_01]: or army, but these talks at the Tactical Operations Centers they are the brain of a division, of a Battalion Combat Team, of a Brigade Combat Team, Regimental Combat Team. 27:46.400 --> 27:49.841 [SPEAKER_01]: You go in there, lots of phones, lots of noise, lots of computers. 27:49.901 --> 27:51.862 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what if you don't have any power? 27:52.883 --> 27:54.904 [SPEAKER_01]: What if you don't have any communications? 27:55.344 --> 27:57.145 [SPEAKER_01]: What does that do to your C4I? 27:57.665 --> 28:02.367 [SPEAKER_01]: Your control communications and information and intelligence and all those things? 28:02.667 --> 28:05.388 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what it means is in the end, you're blind. 28:05.828 --> 28:15.452 [SPEAKER_01]: If you are blind, you can have the finest suite of offensive weapons on earth as a matter of fact deploying a fair number of those, maybe at the border of Iran, 28:16.052 --> 28:24.502 [SPEAKER_01]: But you're not doing your combat identification or, or, or, um, positive identification of your target because you don't know, you can't see anything. 28:24.842 --> 28:25.002 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 28:25.423 --> 28:26.183 [SPEAKER_01]: So I, into. 28:27.146 --> 28:36.411 [SPEAKER_01]: This brings us to the point, Jim, I don't want to belabor this, but it's so important is that there is a, we use the word architecture in the DOD, DOW. 28:36.451 --> 28:39.412 [SPEAKER_01]: I keep on saying DOD in the DOW because it's so much easier to say. 28:39.572 --> 28:40.733 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be DOD in two years. 28:41.113 --> 28:41.993 [SPEAKER_01]: It will, but it will be. 28:42.313 --> 28:44.975 [SPEAKER_01]: So I wish it were DOD by instinct. 28:45.515 --> 28:49.917 [SPEAKER_01]: So in this case, architecture is the framing of a house. 28:50.197 --> 28:53.219 [SPEAKER_01]: And here's what I think our department of war has done. 28:53.919 --> 28:58.501 [SPEAKER_01]: is that they built a house and they haven't bothered looking at architectural blueprints because they don't have them. 28:59.022 --> 29:10.908 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't do concepts of operations, they don't do concepts of employment, they don't decompose functional descriptions, they spend all this money on these exquisite platforms and weapon systems. 29:10.928 --> 29:12.989 [SPEAKER_01]: Everything from the carrier, everything from the carrier, everything from the carrier, everything 29:13.089 --> 29:22.298 [SPEAKER_01]: to we have had three separate multi-billion dollar attempts to come up with an offensive hypersonic missile and failed every time. 29:22.759 --> 29:26.903 [SPEAKER_01]: We cannot defend ourselves against incoming hypersonics. 29:27.924 --> 29:31.368 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been on a couple shows lately Jim, so I think you'll enjoy this. 29:31.608 --> 29:31.948 [SPEAKER_01]: What is the 29:34.298 --> 29:47.267 [SPEAKER_01]: of the entire trillion dollar plus defense budget that we presently have what percentage of that budget is spent by the missile defense agency who is the primary advocate for defending 29:55.128 --> 30:06.517 [SPEAKER_01]: And they spend a lot of money, but the contents of 1% and that shows you where the priority is, because in bills world, if I had my way and I were king for a day and I would abdicate the following week. 30:06.938 --> 30:12.482 [SPEAKER_01]: But if I could and I could institute things, number one is Department of Defense Defense Cohnus and everything else. 30:13.063 --> 30:17.626 [SPEAKER_01]: Number two, all 800 plus bases in all those unidentified, 30:24.872 --> 30:26.832 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, concentrate on a Monroe doctrine. 30:27.172 --> 30:31.233 [SPEAKER_01]: Trump would appreciate if I called it a done road doctrine here in this hemisphere. 30:31.493 --> 30:37.834 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a become a regional hedge among and get our bloody house in order, militarily. 30:38.514 --> 30:45.636 [SPEAKER_01]: And also, I'm proud of my Butler roots and that stopped the expeditionary campaigns, stopped screwing with the world. 30:46.016 --> 30:51.497 [SPEAKER_01]: And if we go into the three letter agency, organizations and things like that, stop the color revolutions. 30:51.917 --> 30:53.017 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean the Ukraine, 30:53.577 --> 30:58.080 [SPEAKER_01]: The reason everything happened the way it does is because of American interference. 30:58.701 --> 31:08.008 [SPEAKER_01]: You can go back to 1991 and 92 where you see the denomone of NATO and all of a sudden I was relieved because I thought, oh good, let's cancel the organization. 31:08.428 --> 31:10.310 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's deep-six it and get the hell out of it. 31:11.450 --> 31:12.011 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course not. 31:12.511 --> 31:17.135 [SPEAKER_01]: That NATO blob going ever eastward has Russia. 31:17.815 --> 31:33.219 [SPEAKER_01]: on pins and needles because they don't like that because Russia is that country that has experienced invasion from Europeans, whether it's Napoleon or Hitler, and they have a very long, slavic memory as it were Jim. 31:33.719 --> 31:42.861 [SPEAKER_01]: And so when they when they look and as regional hedge amongst, by the way, it's this is another interesting thing that I seem to be going on a tangent here, but you get a great bear me out. 31:43.161 --> 31:44.641 [SPEAKER_01]: Global hedge amongst America is, 31:49.563 --> 31:53.384 [SPEAKER_01]: Historically, they do not pay attention to defending. 31:53.524 --> 31:57.825 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason for that per the intuition engine is we rule the world. 31:57.885 --> 31:59.606 [SPEAKER_01]: So of course we could do everything offensively. 32:00.126 --> 32:05.948 [SPEAKER_01]: But global regional hedge amounts like China and Russia spend a lot of money on defense. 32:06.788 --> 32:07.388 [SPEAKER_01]: And they have. 32:08.148 --> 32:16.151 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would argue that Russia's strike reconnaissance complex is not only the best 32:17.588 --> 32:40.230 [SPEAKER_01]: fires organization on planet Earth, but the reason the Russians are so good with UAS, FPVs and UAVs is because they see those as simply another permutation of artillery and artillery as a center of gravity for all Russian arms, not aircraft, and speaking of which we spend so much time with our notions of air dominance, air supremacy. 32:41.619 --> 32:42.680 [SPEAKER_01]: and air superiority. 32:43.040 --> 32:44.280 [SPEAKER_01]: We have none of those three. 32:44.880 --> 32:47.922 [SPEAKER_01]: You will note, and I know you pay attention of what goes on in the Ukraine. 32:48.342 --> 32:52.443 [SPEAKER_01]: When it comes to Russian helicopters or American helicopters, 32:54.397 --> 32:56.559 [SPEAKER_01]: Ukrainian branded Russian helicopters. 32:56.639 --> 32:58.700 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't live too long on the battlefield. 32:59.721 --> 33:01.362 [SPEAKER_01]: And folks going to be safe, but they patchy. 33:01.382 --> 33:02.563 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so cool in the A10. 33:02.603 --> 33:03.104 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so cool. 33:03.604 --> 33:15.974 [SPEAKER_01]: I would urge all of your listeners and viewers to go back to the 2003 Battle of Carbola in Iraq in which I think 30 plus a patchies were hit by ground fire. 33:16.674 --> 33:17.635 [SPEAKER_01]: Ground fire. 33:18.075 --> 33:20.918 [SPEAKER_01]: Not birds and some manpads, but not a lot. 33:21.678 --> 33:26.619 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think a number of them were dismissed to the cannibalism yard. 33:27.020 --> 33:28.400 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, this is 2003. 33:28.440 --> 33:32.821 [SPEAKER_01]: This is before the maturation of UAVs, FPVs, and things like this. 33:33.321 --> 33:35.782 [SPEAKER_01]: And I have to say one more thing before I hang it over to you, Jim. 33:35.862 --> 33:38.803 [SPEAKER_01]: I know we've gone around the block here and I apologize. 33:39.423 --> 33:45.065 [SPEAKER_01]: We are in a revolution of military affairs in which for the first time in human history, 33:45.725 --> 33:52.709 [SPEAKER_01]: It is very inexpensive to dispose and kill in detail every infantryman on the ground. 33:53.229 --> 34:00.433 [SPEAKER_01]: There is no time in human history, this has ever been the case, and by the way, I no longer employ the term near peer. 34:00.774 --> 34:01.674 [SPEAKER_01]: I use the term peer. 34:02.215 --> 34:07.117 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the humanities, the humanities, the Iranians, all of them are peers to American arms. 34:08.658 --> 34:09.318 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, thank you. 34:09.378 --> 34:10.799 [SPEAKER_02]: No, that was fantastic. 34:11.039 --> 34:14.981 [SPEAKER_02]: You answered every question without a prompt and making my job real easy over here, Bill. 34:15.541 --> 34:22.065 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's one thing I've tracked for a long time is the investment in, it was at ATWD. 34:22.305 --> 34:22.525 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 34:22.845 --> 34:25.006 [SPEAKER_02]: Anti-access area in denial, like I hope I got that. 34:25.026 --> 34:25.727 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you got it right. 34:26.007 --> 34:27.587 [SPEAKER_02]: Good, it's, I always flip it. 34:27.627 --> 34:29.568 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm left handed, so everything gets jumbled in my brain. 34:30.109 --> 34:31.509 [SPEAKER_01]: Jim, the Chinese own that. 34:31.689 --> 34:33.971 [SPEAKER_01]: And death's breath on the Chinese. 34:34.871 --> 34:51.640 [SPEAKER_01]: Eastern Coast, and by the way, if you took every Thad, every Patriot, every modality we have that is an anti-missile defense system, put it on the West Coast, all we could defend is the county of San Diego. 34:52.061 --> 34:52.581 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow! 34:53.867 --> 34:54.868 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, file that one away. 34:55.228 --> 35:08.761 [SPEAKER_02]: Man, that's, I mean, you see the results in a place like, I was just gonna say the Middle East because it's the whole region where we have, and part of the thing that I think that plays into this 35:09.962 --> 35:19.070 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't really have deterrence because we're constantly using our stuff for to put it in layman's terms where you know we fed our patriots systems peace meal in Ukraine. 35:19.090 --> 35:23.974 [SPEAKER_02]: We've been using those for like what three decades since late eighties. 35:24.314 --> 35:26.957 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, four decades and 35:28.638 --> 35:29.759 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's antiquated. 35:29.840 --> 35:31.621 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't work. 35:31.641 --> 35:38.149 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and we've handed a blueprint to potential adversaries of exactly what our capabilities are. 35:38.209 --> 35:39.951 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it was what our intent is. 35:40.211 --> 35:48.059 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, GMU, you just, uh, you stole the show with that observation because what it means is that I was always a guest and I think, um, 35:48.660 --> 35:50.101 [SPEAKER_01]: Colonel McGregor may have said the same thing. 35:50.662 --> 35:53.144 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the Ukraine we give them all these advanced systems. 35:53.685 --> 35:59.230 [SPEAKER_01]: Those advanced systems will find their way into the hands of the Russians, which means all the brick countries, no doubt in my mind. 35:59.690 --> 36:04.114 [SPEAKER_01]: But the Russians, like the Germans, are very able note takers during war. 36:04.675 --> 36:07.117 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they do ARs, they pay attention. 36:07.558 --> 36:14.124 [SPEAKER_01]: So not only do they have the physical manifestations of the systems, whether whole or damaged, but they also see how they're used. 36:14.584 --> 36:20.709 [SPEAKER_01]: I have this notion that last year, when Iran started that very aggressive missile campaign against Israel, 36:22.151 --> 36:29.338 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm speculating here entirely, but if I had been in a Ronnie in general, I would have gone to all my ammunition supply points, my ASPs. 36:29.658 --> 36:33.542 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would have said, give me your oldest, lot numbers of missiles that we have in the inventory. 36:33.982 --> 36:39.587 [SPEAKER_01]: We are going to do a reconnaissance by fire, even if we don't damage a single is Rayleigh. 36:40.635 --> 36:52.667 [SPEAKER_01]: building or military base or whatever, I want to see how they react, because if you see how they react, then you'll be able to counter, with counter battery fire or vice versa, the very next time. 36:54.312 --> 36:57.414 [SPEAKER_01]: And here's something that most laymen don't understand. 36:57.434 --> 36:59.275 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the secret sauce on this, but I know it. 36:59.675 --> 37:02.936 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want a probability of kill of about 90%. 37:03.537 --> 37:06.738 [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm defending against incoming missiles, I must send two or more missiles a loft. 37:08.059 --> 37:11.820 [SPEAKER_01]: And that grunt math and kinetic magazines drains them. 37:12.601 --> 37:14.081 [SPEAKER_01]: It absolutely drains them. 37:14.562 --> 37:21.025 [SPEAKER_01]: And we are not in a position in the West to be engaged in this in a fashion where we've got the throughput. 37:21.725 --> 37:32.150 [SPEAKER_01]: as a matter of fact, the engineering have to add wholesale levels and the building available, the fabbers, things like that, to replace these diminished 37:33.135 --> 37:42.844 [SPEAKER_01]: magazines for instance the stinger and you were just mentioning this gem which is so many stinger's and manpads over to the Ukraine take a guess what the C.S. 37:42.945 --> 37:51.032 [SPEAKER_01]: B.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A. 37:51.753 --> 37:54.376 [SPEAKER_01]: to replenish those magazines of stairs. 37:54.857 --> 38:00.725 [SPEAKER_01]: But by the way, it is not the object of desire used to be. 38:00.985 --> 38:06.452 [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably going to be replaced by something else, something more advanced, maybe a little less expensive. 38:06.672 --> 38:08.975 [SPEAKER_01]: Last time, I checked a half million dollars per pop. 38:09.576 --> 38:10.276 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're staying here. 38:10.416 --> 38:13.977 [SPEAKER_01]: So the rather expensive, but everything we do is rather expensive. 38:14.338 --> 38:22.680 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you've got the Ukrainians and the Russians building wooden plywood and cardboard UAVs as offensive weapons at less than $5,000 a piece. 38:24.461 --> 38:25.041 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, go ahead. 38:25.701 --> 38:35.847 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I'm just going to add on the idea of deterrence, like whether it's something like a stinger, the javlin, I love the javlin. 38:35.947 --> 38:37.728 [SPEAKER_02]: I love the javlin. 38:37.828 --> 38:45.712 [SPEAKER_01]: Easy to learn, but hey, I was on one of the engineering teams and I have a half-skill model of the javlin missile in my office. 38:46.412 --> 38:52.035 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I saw some, about what it behind me, but then you have, like, high Mars, right? 38:52.055 --> 39:01.579 [SPEAKER_02]: These are systems that if, you know, I was in charge, I would hoard for my own guys because, you know, 39:03.740 --> 39:09.684 [SPEAKER_02]: God forbid we get in a situation where we actually had to fight a large scale conventional fight. 39:10.004 --> 39:13.347 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want the other side knowing how those things respond. 39:13.427 --> 39:15.688 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want them knowing my doctrine for usage. 39:17.349 --> 39:22.813 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you rolled all the way back to when High Mars was first introduced in Ukraine, it was reasonably effective. 39:23.453 --> 39:25.135 [SPEAKER_02]: The Russians didn't know what to do with it. 39:25.835 --> 39:30.998 [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't know how to counter it, but then after the second or third iteration of very dispersed fires, 39:33.420 --> 39:38.183 [SPEAKER_02]: how to lay out their logistics in the background, how to disperse their troops. 39:38.643 --> 39:45.988 [SPEAKER_02]: And I would have wanted to save that for like a one just grand exercise to send a message if we were ever in that situation. 39:46.068 --> 39:47.569 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 39:47.609 --> 39:53.112 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and you know, I don't have to hit the tells, the erector watchers, or this was themselves. 39:53.613 --> 39:56.955 [SPEAKER_01]: If I take out every FTC, again, this is sort of riffing off the gen set. 39:57.215 --> 39:57.355 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 39:57.815 --> 39:59.676 [SPEAKER_01]: If I take out every fire direction center, 40:02.298 --> 40:05.040 [SPEAKER_01]: power element, and I take out the radars. 40:05.280 --> 40:06.441 [SPEAKER_01]: Most importantly, the radars. 40:06.601 --> 40:11.104 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess going back to what I was just saying, I would take out every radar set in Genset. 40:11.304 --> 40:25.875 [SPEAKER_01]: Those will be a wouldn't hit a single military, conventionally militarily valuable target other than those, and it would freeze frame American forces where they just be like caught in the spotlight and that's here. 40:25.895 --> 40:26.735 [SPEAKER_01]: They couldn't do anything. 40:26.835 --> 40:27.336 [SPEAKER_01]: They couldn't do it. 40:27.716 --> 40:29.938 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and then you, I have to say that you're mentioning, 40:33.274 --> 40:38.499 [SPEAKER_01]: worth the money that we pay them existing today in any of the armed forces, right? 40:38.599 --> 40:40.100 [SPEAKER_01]: They should all be fired. 40:40.601 --> 40:51.952 [SPEAKER_01]: In the entire professional military education system from bootcamp to TBS with the Marine Corps, all way up to the war colleges and war colleges and things, 40:52.947 --> 41:08.851 [SPEAKER_01]: They are so educationally corrupt, morally bereft, and steeped in martial malpractice that they're more of an enemy than a friendly element to our armed forces and moving us forward to achieve military efficacy. 41:09.711 --> 41:13.972 [SPEAKER_01]: It is my notion, Jim, that we should close every military academy tomorrow morning. 41:14.532 --> 41:35.391 [SPEAKER_01]: matriculate all students at their present level to an ROTC and a non-ivially university because I wouldn't spend a dime on ROTC and an Ivy League university because all you're doing is putting woke automotons in uniform with their strange groin tackle and pigmentation obsessions. 41:37.833 --> 41:40.315 [SPEAKER_01]: Was it that groin tackle is Frankenstein or biological? 41:41.926 --> 41:47.241 [SPEAKER_02]: I just second to recover here because I agree with you that's hilarious, but uh, no, I mean I ran some numbers 41:49.175 --> 41:56.216 [SPEAKER_02]: a couple months ago about the service academies and you no longer let me just add a baseline right for the taxpayer investment. 41:56.777 --> 42:04.038 [SPEAKER_02]: You no longer get a career officer coming out of there that you can debate the their proficiency and everything else at a later date. 42:04.078 --> 42:12.200 [SPEAKER_02]: But if I'm looking as a taxpayer and I'm seeing more people come out of ROTC stick for a career, why not go that route and you get a more well rounded individual. 42:12.580 --> 42:13.000 [SPEAKER_01]: I think so. 42:13.560 --> 42:19.746 [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of them like my wife was ROTC at the University of Missouri and she I'm an OCS guy. 42:20.146 --> 42:23.789 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was in the in that little cat litter box down a fort bending. 42:24.110 --> 42:33.598 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I mean the hard way man There's a lot to be said for that, but so one final question about this for everyone to I don't know Maybe some hypotheticals here. 42:33.618 --> 42:34.018 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. 42:34.279 --> 42:35.600 [SPEAKER_02]: I ain't a bunch of the stuff you said. 42:35.640 --> 42:37.101 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm eager to do it, but 42:39.188 --> 42:43.069 [SPEAKER_02]: Hegseth had his, speaking of a Ivy League officer. 42:44.229 --> 42:48.830 [SPEAKER_02]: Hegseth had his little state of the force address rant. 42:49.330 --> 42:50.071 [SPEAKER_02]: Strange, I watched it. 42:50.171 --> 42:50.631 [SPEAKER_02]: I watched it. 42:50.971 --> 42:51.231 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 42:51.631 --> 42:53.191 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you pull anything good from that? 42:57.632 --> 42:58.113 [SPEAKER_01]: I did not. 43:01.153 --> 43:06.915 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I didn't, because there's no fundamental transformation of the force going on. 43:06.935 --> 43:25.583 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just from a personal perspective in how you become a flag officer in the present forces, it's just so corrupt and stupid, because basically what you have to do from the time that one is a lieutenant until a colonel, yet to keep your nose clean, you must be risk-averse, and you must be a colon colonist, or. 43:26.499 --> 43:27.480 [SPEAKER_01]: and you must be political. 43:27.920 --> 43:31.223 [SPEAKER_01]: You must be an achieved McEvellian whisper in the palace. 43:31.723 --> 43:34.045 [SPEAKER_01]: And you must be a professional bureaucratic backstaffing. 43:34.406 --> 43:37.268 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what makes you a general officer. 43:37.868 --> 43:39.470 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why you get people like 43:41.177 --> 43:44.939 [SPEAKER_01]: Patreus, McRissel, McRaven, all these people. 43:45.059 --> 44:03.626 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they come out the other end, and they retire, and then you hear their prognostications, and you think, wait, we live on Earth, not the place for a big gun guy, for instance, Jim, and it does really offend me when people talk about my gun rights, and that's what a McRaven did. 44:04.187 --> 44:08.849 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what, what, McRissel did, portrays, of course, goes to the CIA, slams his, 44:10.049 --> 44:21.935 [SPEAKER_01]: male organ in the cash register in the most amateur fashion where he's achieved I mean he's achieved this kind of almost Roman pro-consult greatness and he does that for Jill in the blank. 44:22.895 --> 44:24.376 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why you would do that. 44:24.816 --> 44:26.377 [SPEAKER_01]: I also think there's no moral fiber. 44:27.397 --> 44:33.259 [SPEAKER_01]: I know people will think, well, wait, why would you cite the Reichswehr or the Varmacht or moral fiber? 44:34.059 --> 44:41.982 [SPEAKER_01]: One can be dispassion about this and say that one of the character, I'm using the work characterization, one of the elements that they use to advance in the German army, 44:42.662 --> 44:57.277 [SPEAKER_01]: was not only your ability to master military history because if you have this bloodless practicum that is thousands of years old that you can use to your advantage for what you're going to do is a trade craft, then you should do it, but it was also based on character. 44:57.657 --> 44:59.719 [SPEAKER_01]: If I ask you to do something, are you going to do it? 45:00.199 --> 45:03.182 [SPEAKER_01]: If I give you intent, do you have the means 45:03.843 --> 45:05.744 [SPEAKER_01]: intellectually and morally to do so. 45:06.745 --> 45:20.755 [SPEAKER_01]: I forget the name, but there's a quad-shark from either before World War II or after, and this was a German general who did this, and in order to decide who are going to be my finest officers, who do I want to combat leader positions? 45:21.555 --> 45:25.996 [SPEAKER_01]: I have lazy, I have industrialists, and I have stupid, I have smart. 45:26.757 --> 45:38.760 [SPEAKER_01]: What combination, what two combination do I have of those four that I want in my combat leaders and what you want, the conclusion was, and I think the spares not even in the industry, is I want smart, lazy people. 45:39.201 --> 45:40.761 [SPEAKER_01]: Why do I want smart, lazy people? 45:41.061 --> 45:46.143 [SPEAKER_01]: Because lazy people in these kind of organizations, if they succeed, do that because they're 45:50.004 --> 45:59.989 [SPEAKER_01]: But a brilliant and delegation is vital because in human affairs, you and I can only control four to seven people, maximum, especially a combat situation. 46:00.589 --> 46:09.513 [SPEAKER_01]: So if, in this case, I'm a regimental commander, I have a number of company commanders, I'll have a dozen or more, my platoons multiply by four. 46:10.074 --> 46:16.517 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't give 48 to 70 different decisions, but if I have four to seven people that I rely on and thanks to the 46:17.727 --> 46:44.482 [SPEAKER_01]: character vibe that we encourage in the vermarked in the rikes fair earlier at that time and a certain one can find other uh... mark bank reveled did a great book on this a thin book called fighting power which he did a comparison between u.s. and german officer core that's one of the things that he found out in this but i go back to that quad if imagine if and what we have is we have stupid and lazy and industrious but we have no smart 46:47.843 --> 46:49.424 [SPEAKER_02]: They're gonna try the hamster wheel backwards. 46:49.564 --> 46:50.124 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not good. 46:50.625 --> 46:51.145 [SPEAKER_02]: They wouldn't want it. 46:51.665 --> 46:56.708 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they'll drive the hamster wheel backwards because they're looking at the button front of them And you know where they want to go. 46:57.328 --> 46:57.848 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, exactly. 46:58.229 --> 46:58.649 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 46:59.489 --> 46:59.709 [SPEAKER_02]: Under. 46:59.889 --> 47:01.510 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a massive hamster wheel. 47:01.770 --> 47:03.231 [SPEAKER_01]: It's 100 feet high at the Pentagon. 47:04.052 --> 47:08.854 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so take the 100 foot high hamster wheel. 47:10.755 --> 47:11.596 [SPEAKER_02]: A lack of. 47:11.996 --> 47:13.216 [SPEAKER_01]: It's never said that before. 47:13.276 --> 47:14.217 [SPEAKER_01]: See you in Sparta Beach. 47:16.830 --> 47:22.132 [SPEAKER_02]: My file was five year old is talking about getting a hamster and we have a cat so I have to talk It's now a door cat. 47:22.312 --> 47:23.152 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a murder cat. 47:23.412 --> 47:27.093 [SPEAKER_02]: I have to I have to try and talk her off the ledge So it's sticking to the front of my head. 47:27.113 --> 47:28.894 [SPEAKER_02]: Look at it Matter operated one. 47:28.914 --> 47:40.457 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, so I don't have a second thing to explain to her The cycle of life is a bit too early for her right now, but so so we have a bunch of people who lack character can't really delegate a 47:43.512 --> 47:46.235 [SPEAKER_02]: a doctor in which is in just complete disarray. 47:47.135 --> 47:51.079 [SPEAKER_02]: But picking up yesterday, don't really want to talk about too many hypotheticals. 47:51.179 --> 47:58.386 [SPEAKER_02]: But there is a news popping out there where it looks like we're going to have three carriers in the Gulf, plus a second infidious ready group. 47:58.986 --> 47:59.326 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 48:00.526 --> 48:05.808 [SPEAKER_02]: Right before the election, I cannot for the life of me see how this makes sense. 48:05.868 --> 48:06.888 [SPEAKER_02]: There are no options. 48:06.968 --> 48:08.008 [SPEAKER_02]: That is a drop in the bucket. 48:08.028 --> 48:14.250 [SPEAKER_02]: Man, power wise, because you're talking about two marine infantry battalions at 2004,000 guys maybe. 48:14.270 --> 48:15.630 [SPEAKER_01]: People don't understand tooth to tail. 48:16.250 --> 48:16.490 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 48:16.890 --> 48:17.631 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't understand it. 48:17.991 --> 48:18.171 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 48:18.291 --> 48:19.731 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think they're trying to do? 48:19.751 --> 48:21.231 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think a president is trying to do with this? 48:21.932 --> 48:22.732 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I- 48:23.795 --> 48:28.578 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know the mind of the president nor what I want to be the psychoanalyst who does that of any president. 48:28.618 --> 48:39.724 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't had a president since Calvin Coolidge, so when you put three carriers there, people have to understand how much time money resources and souls that is. 48:40.664 --> 48:44.807 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me one minute to describe why I'm so opposed to carriers. 48:45.127 --> 48:46.488 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, please. 48:46.568 --> 48:52.331 [SPEAKER_01]: 1941 to 1945 was the golden age and American aircraft carriers won the PTO. 48:52.871 --> 48:55.152 [SPEAKER_01]: No doubt, hats off, amazing. 48:55.552 --> 48:57.092 [SPEAKER_01]: Spruins is one of my spirit animals. 48:57.552 --> 49:02.253 [SPEAKER_01]: Nimitz is the finest naval officer America has ever produced. 49:02.273 --> 49:05.734 [SPEAKER_01]: 1946 arrives, the aircraft carrier has no efficacy whatsoever. 49:06.234 --> 49:11.916 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, the aircraft carrier industrial-based coalition no longer has me on the Christmas card list because of what to play. 49:12.136 --> 49:12.596 [SPEAKER_02]: I bet. 49:12.956 --> 49:16.138 [SPEAKER_01]: And they don't like me at all because what I'm telling them is I'm telling them this. 49:16.478 --> 49:22.681 [SPEAKER_01]: I take one aircraft carrier, surrounded by its flutilla and I have 44 strike aircraft on there. 49:23.101 --> 49:30.785 [SPEAKER_01]: You and I both know the rule of threes, which means that one third are ready to go in a minute, one third maybe so, and one third maybe. 49:31.917 --> 49:33.538 [SPEAKER_01]: major overhaul, whatever the case may be. 49:33.878 --> 49:39.341 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's suppose that gives me 15 birds that are available to leave the deck immediately. 49:39.902 --> 49:43.184 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I have to put up a cap, carry our patrol to protect the carrier. 49:43.564 --> 49:48.887 [SPEAKER_01]: I have to put up a barrier combat air patrol, a B cap to protect the Armada and the Flotilla. 49:49.347 --> 49:59.093 [SPEAKER_01]: What this means, and I'm going to stretch the numbers here, is that I can send 8 to 10 strike aircraft outside of that in the 700 nautical mile strike radius. 49:59.653 --> 50:07.759 [SPEAKER_01]: to blow a hole in an A2AD barrier that the Chinese or whoever we're striking has set up. 50:08.199 --> 50:13.463 [SPEAKER_01]: They make it through that gauntlet and then they drop these tiny munitions off of their wings and then they've got to make it back. 50:13.944 --> 50:19.408 [SPEAKER_01]: What that means, Jim, is that we're taking, let's say, two dozen aviators and they're 50:20.314 --> 50:29.117 [SPEAKER_01]: associated electronics, back seaters, whatever the case may be, two dozen were, we are devoting 8,000 souls to support that. 50:29.517 --> 50:31.137 [SPEAKER_01]: How does any of that make sense? 50:31.458 --> 50:31.718 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 50:32.978 --> 50:34.358 [SPEAKER_01]: None of it makes carriers. 50:34.498 --> 50:35.139 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't make sense. 50:35.199 --> 50:36.779 [SPEAKER_01]: I say, well, it's a show of power. 50:36.839 --> 50:37.759 [SPEAKER_01]: What show of power? 50:38.220 --> 50:46.542 [SPEAKER_01]: Because not only do you not have C room when you look at the geography of the Red Sea and Yemen places like that for maneuverability, a carrier animal should 50:49.343 --> 50:51.226 [SPEAKER_01]: What's going to happen off the Chinese coast? 50:51.786 --> 50:52.788 [SPEAKER_01]: They invade Taiwan. 50:53.308 --> 50:59.055 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to bring the carriers over there under DFX range, which is the anti-ship missiles. 50:59.476 --> 51:01.198 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have to sink a carrier. 51:01.659 --> 51:07.746 [SPEAKER_01]: All I have to do is put a five degree list on it or take out one shaft and I've removed its ability to 51:08.667 --> 51:10.329 [SPEAKER_01]: launch and retrieve aircraft. 51:10.409 --> 51:19.798 [SPEAKER_01]: As a matter of fact, with the USS Ford, all I have to do is wait for its its entire email's infrastructure to collapse since they built it in serial. 51:20.178 --> 51:29.247 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you know, by the way, Jim, the steam catapult meantime between failures, which is the MDPF BF, which 51:30.048 --> 51:46.680 [SPEAKER_01]: I got that right, if it's in your moment, but it's 35,000 one to 35,000 that means when I'm at full military throttle as that naval aviator never been one never been one TV I admire those guys great full military throttle, but I must have the impulse thrust of that launch 51:47.875 --> 51:48.675 [SPEAKER_01]: from the catapult. 51:49.015 --> 51:49.556 [SPEAKER_01]: I must have it. 51:49.676 --> 51:52.136 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, I can't leave the deck of the ship. 51:52.457 --> 51:59.819 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason why you see those carriers are a little bit five degrees to port as far as the takeoff. 51:59.839 --> 52:01.179 [SPEAKER_01]: So the ship doesn't run over the bird. 52:01.580 --> 52:02.480 [SPEAKER_01]: The bird lands on drink. 52:02.820 --> 52:03.700 [SPEAKER_01]: One in 35,000. 52:04.040 --> 52:05.481 [SPEAKER_01]: What is it for the Ford E-Mose? 52:05.521 --> 52:07.802 [SPEAKER_01]: Which we've been forced to build two more of those pigs? 52:08.382 --> 52:08.902 [SPEAKER_01]: It is one 52:15.124 --> 52:15.604 [SPEAKER_01]: It was so low. 52:15.624 --> 52:16.305 [SPEAKER_01]: Why would they do that? 52:16.465 --> 52:17.265 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get the edge. 52:19.046 --> 52:22.867 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I am PNG at the Pentagon, really. 52:23.267 --> 52:28.209 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean for variety of reasons, but when it comes to a regular warfare, they don't return my phone calls. 52:29.590 --> 52:42.775 [SPEAKER_01]: When it comes to carrier naval surface combat and warfare, things like that, what we need is we need the right people with the right influence, and certainly, isn't me on petite bourgeoisie, who can stand up, maybe Colonel McGregor could do this, who stand up and say, 52:44.075 --> 52:49.656 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, stop all the exquisite platforms, go back to the drawing board and by the way, what's the mission? 52:50.157 --> 52:51.397 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we protecting the homeland? 52:51.777 --> 52:55.758 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we protecting our, uh, our suzeran teas overseas? 52:55.838 --> 52:58.819 [SPEAKER_01]: Are money laundering operations like Ukraine overseas? 52:59.359 --> 53:02.700 [SPEAKER_01]: Are our political friends overseas? 53:03.640 --> 53:05.521 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope I don't, no, I'm not going to say it on your show. 53:05.821 --> 53:06.761 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not going to say it. 53:08.088 --> 53:12.709 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like that, now I'm never going to know, I'm never going to know you will in private conversation. 53:12.950 --> 53:13.610 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I will. 53:13.770 --> 53:14.830 [SPEAKER_02]: I will then I might announce it. 53:15.190 --> 53:15.530 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 53:15.550 --> 53:16.551 [SPEAKER_02]: Might happen. 53:17.131 --> 53:26.434 [SPEAKER_02]: But so, yeah, I mean, one final piece, you really got a cold minutes left on these folks floating around out there, you're going to be out there with October. 53:26.934 --> 53:29.595 [SPEAKER_02]: The only, I mean, it's any type of operation. 53:30.775 --> 53:35.479 [SPEAKER_02]: Coming up coming ashore seems just a non-starter Jim. 53:35.499 --> 53:47.587 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't done it contested and it was lightly contested at the time We haven't done it contested at Vipius Beach landing since in Chon in 1950 and by the way We do not have the maritime connectors. 53:47.747 --> 53:59.436 [SPEAKER_01]: You know exactly what I'm talking about from the amphibes from the Gator Navy To the beach that are reliable in the wholesale numbers that we need and vertical development via helicopter the missile age 53:59.996 --> 54:14.804 [SPEAKER_01]: has really put an end to that, whether the Marines acknowledge that or not, because, as I mentioned earlier in the program, as far as rotary wing aircraft and, by the way, the A-10 and S-U-25 frog foot variant in the Russian inventory, they don't go near the front lines. 54:15.144 --> 54:18.886 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't go over the front lines because they can't, because they get killed. 54:19.267 --> 54:20.708 [SPEAKER_01]: Same thing will happen here. 54:21.788 --> 54:24.690 [SPEAKER_01]: Do the Iranians have the means to stop a beach invasion. 54:27.071 --> 54:28.833 [SPEAKER_01]: But here's what I think they do have. 54:28.853 --> 54:31.676 [SPEAKER_01]: They can hit the maritime connectors on their way in. 54:31.957 --> 54:32.117 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 54:32.757 --> 54:38.384 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is all about I didn't mention the Frey Savo competition and it's so important all that means is this. 54:38.924 --> 54:43.650 [SPEAKER_01]: If they've got more missiles than you, even if they can't aim them correctly, you are on greater danger. 54:44.110 --> 54:46.132 [SPEAKER_01]: If you run on a missiles and they still have them, 54:46.713 --> 54:47.814 [SPEAKER_01]: you are a greater danger. 54:48.354 --> 54:59.799 [SPEAKER_01]: If you and I were captains of a ship and I've got incoming and it's UAVs I've got combat identification which is a slightly lower evidentiary bar than positive identification. 55:00.439 --> 55:02.380 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, I'm gonna take that out before it reaches me. 55:02.420 --> 55:07.283 [SPEAKER_01]: Whether it's through my failanks or my racks or my missile systems, whatever the case may be, but 55:08.643 --> 55:09.584 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's scratch the paint. 55:09.964 --> 55:10.284 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 55:10.584 --> 55:11.424 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a choice. 55:11.805 --> 55:12.945 [SPEAKER_01]: I must react that moment. 55:13.425 --> 55:23.190 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, a savvy opponent will know that and they'll send in waves and swarms of stuff until you have exhausted your magazines, then they'll send in the heavy hitters. 55:23.530 --> 55:30.173 [SPEAKER_01]: This is what we face today, and I see no impulse whatsoever in the Pentagon to wrap their arms around that. 55:31.095 --> 55:38.517 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm right there with you, and we could run this back and talk continuously for the next couple of hours about it and I appreciate it. 55:38.577 --> 55:40.598 [SPEAKER_02]: But just a little guy an hour on the show for today. 55:41.438 --> 55:43.179 [SPEAKER_02]: So, get a closer look. 55:43.239 --> 55:44.379 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for the honor of coming on. 55:44.879 --> 55:47.940 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, your dad has always remained an inspiration to me. 55:48.280 --> 55:48.720 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, thank you. 55:48.740 --> 55:49.381 [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate that. 55:49.401 --> 55:51.763 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have you back pretty soon because we've got so much more to talk about. 55:51.803 --> 55:54.185 [SPEAKER_02]: I got through like one third of my data sheet that I'm making. 55:54.565 --> 55:57.207 [SPEAKER_02]: So, but Bill, thanks a ton. 55:57.267 --> 55:57.968 [SPEAKER_02]: Truly appreciate it. 55:57.988 --> 55:58.689 [SPEAKER_02]: We will see you soon. 55:59.069 --> 55:59.549 [SPEAKER_01]: My pleasure. 55:59.869 --> 56:00.950 [SPEAKER_02]: And enjoy the rain out there. 56:01.090 --> 56:01.791 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's less Florida. 56:01.891 --> 56:03.572 [SPEAKER_02]: If it ever stops your starts here. 56:03.592 --> 56:05.134 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, you and I live in paradise. 56:05.614 --> 56:06.095 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 56:06.115 --> 56:06.435 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 56:06.675 --> 56:07.155 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we do. 56:07.536 --> 56:08.176 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's amazing. 56:09.597 --> 56:11.219 [SPEAKER_02]: And for people listening, don't come here. 56:11.759 --> 56:13.282 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's terrible. 56:13.683 --> 56:14.304 [SPEAKER_01]: It's terrible. 56:15.547 --> 56:21.199 [SPEAKER_01]: But fortunately, if liberals come here, I urge you if you find any spot of water go for a swim. 56:25.360 --> 56:28.021 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, at all that, I don't listen to people talking about oligators. 56:28.341 --> 56:31.442 [SPEAKER_02]: So, no, there's no oligators out here, or sharks. 56:31.702 --> 56:33.322 [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely definitely no great way it's off the coast. 56:33.922 --> 56:34.982 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, we all right, Bill. 56:35.303 --> 56:36.843 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, truly, let's talk to you soon. 56:37.323 --> 56:37.623 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 56:38.123 --> 56:38.463 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 56:38.483 --> 56:41.824 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, everybody, that is the week. 56:42.344 --> 56:43.264 [SPEAKER_02]: It is October. 56:43.405 --> 56:43.965 [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't know it. 56:44.205 --> 56:47.426 [SPEAKER_02]: Neither would Bill, because it's 85 out there and raining. 56:47.526 --> 56:49.806 [SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, hope you all had a, had a good week. 56:49.846 --> 56:51.787 [SPEAKER_02]: Hope you all have some fun lined up for the weekend. 56:53.548 --> 56:55.331 [SPEAKER_02]: And on that note, we will see you Monday. 56:55.351 --> 56:58.438 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good guess live next week, but I'm not gonna get into it right now. 56:58.598 --> 57:00.903 [SPEAKER_02]: Stay tuned and have a good one.