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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey everybody, future editor David here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm traveling and I have my mobile setup and I thought I had everything good, but I had a wrong setting and I didn't accept my microphone, the right input to the right thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so the audio, my audio quality on my end is not great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I just wanted to let everyone know and I apologize for that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I am kind of a stickler for reasonable

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[SPEAKER_03]: I tried to do some repair on it, making the sounds the best as I could, but again, apologies for that, and hopefully it doesn't impact your enjoyment too much, but otherwise, let's get into the feedback episode with Jean-Pierre.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to Conrad's Versus with the Laura Hounds.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm your host David with me as always is a young genre we got going on today.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this is our feedback episode following episode 7 season 1 of the lanterns, the Jordan Boys Legacy.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So thank you to everyone who wrote in who sent us voicemails who's on the discord.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to get to some of this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_05]: which do that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so missing Nancy's help right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This, uh, be back action because there's a Patreon message is there's Spotify, there's the Discord, there's the emails, there's the voicemails, and it's like, oh man, I forget how much work it is to pull in everybody's comments.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But geez, even the Patreon was popping off.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They were like, people were commenting on their comments and everything and having full

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's what we want, engagement, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's right, you know, I still don't say this later when we talk about one of the messages that we got, but you know, there's there's different kinds of podcasts in the world.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And they're not, you know, we're not exclusive in terms of, you know, podcasts are cool because they're not like you could listen to multiple podcasts.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I listen to multiple podcasts, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like you have to be just walked in on one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And one of the things that I like about the community that has come together around the lore hounds is that it's, yeah, we're talking at you, but we really want to be talking with you, you know, I'm saying it's not like, oh, it's like, you know, a couple of people with their authority to opinions.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're just like everybody else, we're just the fools, we're just foolish enough to have microphones and want to like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: here are our voices on the podcast, but everybody else has got as much interesting and valid takes and insights and different life experiences and so to be part of a podcast where there's a community where it's an engagement dynamic where it's not we're not engagement farming here like me one engagement because that's like that's where John and I when we started this podcast

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[SPEAKER_03]: We were just a couple of people who wanted to do some stuff for rings of power, perhaps season, and then we're like, oh, this is cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, like, we carry that spirit with us.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's just really cool that we can see when the community is digging in on something, you know, with the conversations flowing and the messages are coming into the people who are having their own side conversations, that nothing to do with anything that you and I say on the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just love it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: it's very cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, all that said, remember if you like what we're doing and like what we got going down and you want to support the podcast because you know, we make sure that we're fair and equitable with everyone, you know, that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, there is the discord where there is a lot of meaning.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This later this week is a quiet and it suddenly just lit off.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like somebody who lit something, it's like, for people who are talking.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So go check out the discord links for all of that stuff is in the show notes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll ship dust and we shall have a great get there with the book writer and showrunner of the silo TV series.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's wrapping up her coverage.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The Dungeons and Dubuets guys are having a great time covering lanterns.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's pretty hard.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But you know that they're having a good time throwing some eggs around and digging into some different aspects of the show But they are definitely having a good time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So go check them out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Never mind the music.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Nicole and Mark psychology and music Cosmere Corner John and the guys from our other podcast radioactive randlings

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[SPEAKER_03]: and they're covering the Brandon Sanderson's books.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, Marilyn and Dr. Sara Brown, too, well, Marilyn's our favorite tokens, scholar, maybe, Sarah's our second favorite tokens, scholar, but they are doing their own screen analysis of season two of range of power in prep for,

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[SPEAKER_03]: season three, which is going to start next month, and they look at all the rituals that are on screen and sort of break it down and do some really amazing analysis.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we got that a whole bunch more I just was trading messages with Anthony and probably how we're just going to be coming back soon.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, things are cooking.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Things are cooking.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Definitely be sure to check out Conor's Reading List.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you're down for the comics, if you want to get into any green lantern comic reading, there's a link in the show notes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to link to another link to something else to get it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like right there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a Google Doc download it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is a PDF printed off, add it to your own Google thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We tried to make that as publicly available.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's actually funny.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Carter has been so good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's been emailing in, sending it voice sending in, like, really good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hi, boys, girls and girls, yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But he's even signing his e-mails, you know, green lantern days.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's really good time there, so I go check all that stuff out, but we got a ton of feed back shell on to get into it, so we're not even going to take our first break, we're just going to launch right into it and then we'll get in our first break here a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But thanks again for your help today with the Feedback doc.

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[SPEAKER_03]: First up is Melissa W, a long time more house subscriber.

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[SPEAKER_03]: posted a message on the episode six Patreon posting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And said, I just want to say, I really love your discussion on the show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm getting a lot out of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't listen to this episode in time to add feedback, but I've got a thought.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think John looked on how's hand for the ring just so we know in episode one that how isn't wearing the ring.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now we know John would have, uh, uh, now we know John would have known it wasn't there, but we didn't know that when we were watching the scene in the first episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So thanks, Melissa, a long time subscriber, a long time supporter of the pod, John, any thoughts on Melissa's call.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's interesting to think that they set that up just for us, the viewer, you know, just to give us something to chase around what it's season.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Because I agree with her knowing what we know now, John,

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[SPEAKER_05]: probably shouldn't know that the ring because now he's not wearing it if he's dead, right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that was just a way for us to signal for them to signal and it kind of makes an importance too when we think about the fact that he had John has to trick Guy Gartner into getting it for him and so it again it just it focuses our attention on the ring

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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I also think that as I don't want to say that, but maybe he was checking because he had a reason to check.

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[SPEAKER_05]: What was that reason?

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, that's the question.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And the reason is if he, if you're looking at someone who's been wearing a ring for a long time, there might be evidence of that on that ring finger, okay.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So maybe John is looking to see if there's evidence that this is how, who's one that ring on his finger for 30 plus years.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, I think it's all of the above two, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It could be.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it just sort of closes the loop and the highlights everything for us.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I mean, 30 years, Grings.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So he's making sure that it's how.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, kind of.

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[SPEAKER_05]: OK. Because as, you know, excuse me, has Melissa says at this point,

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[SPEAKER_05]: In the timeline, John should know that once a green lantern, once someone is dead, they don't possess to ring anymore.

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[SPEAKER_05]: How has been in jail, we don't know how long he's been in jail.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But he's been in jail, so presumably he didn't have the rank in jail, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: But there would still be some, I think there would still be some sort of

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[SPEAKER_05]: physical sign that this ring finger has had something worn on it for 30 years.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because you wouldn't, like if you're the green lantern for the whole sector, you don't take it off.

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[SPEAKER_03]: However, he took, he took it off though.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't even have it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he didn't have a job he was in with making.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Be interested in John at it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but you, you, here, I mean, it, it makes me think that if he's the Green Lantern for the sector, but first United States and Nebraska or whatever states they have in the, in the DC verse, you break some law, local state

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then they want to put you a kill and here's the green lantern with a ring.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think you're giving up that ring and I don't think you're going to do the time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you've got places to be in things to do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it makes up an intro, it was actually if we go back to the early episodes, too, when he got locked up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He got locked up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How got locked up?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think I locked up?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it begs an interesting question of like what's the authority of the green lanterns and actually here on on the earth, right, who recognizes the authority, okay, there's a weird analogy right, but technically the police do not have.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're supposed to follow the speed limit when they're driving around.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's only when they activate their emergency lights or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They upset technically, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm talking to tech.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That there's no speed limit except if there's an emergency, then they have an exception to violate traffic laws.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But they have to be on a bona fide emergency to do that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it sort of, super-seeds.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But that's codified into law.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, how do you codify a green lantern, eh?

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[SPEAKER_05]: But they're still bound by the laws of where they're at.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They can't break the laws of the planet that they're on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm wondering, that's what I'm questioning.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Murderers, murderers, stealing a stealing, they're still bound by those things.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There are other things they may be bound by.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But they can't just go around with a green lantern like in, you know, do whatever I want.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So that's not end of code.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, he made the money because he made that bill to play the happens a moment or so.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because remember roller stover and over and over again, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: So every time he broke a law, carry told him in the first episode, this is not your jurisdiction.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You deal with, that you don't deal with terrestrial things, things, right?

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[SPEAKER_05]: And he had to, and that's what we get no.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This is, this is part of my jurisdiction because this is alien.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because he was going with this guy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Which thing, Dean, and then if we talk about his gut, then we have to talk about the fact that, you know, is Carrie complicit in his house murder?

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's amusing that we'll find out about on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't believe that this is over and they got it won and I think Ken had a comment and W to come later, but I think he checked the times and I think he saw that it's still just like now or episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, cool, all right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So Julia C on Patreon, a long time supporter friend of the pod, was cooking off the Patreon.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And her and Gito were having a bunch of conversations as well on the side, it was great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I, and there were like nine or two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: messages that Julia is like leaning in art.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just great love it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I just scraped like four of her messages that that seemed to be sort of not some subplots and responses to responses, but to, you know, straight comments that we could use.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We could take terms reading these here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She says first.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hello, well, no wonder I love the pot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I grew up in North Jersey, walk there close like a lot of Brooklyn and Manhattan in my childhood.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So what Jean is saying and how he says it is always running true to me and I live in Vermont and the Northeast Kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't realize that Julia, which I just heard David mentioned.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was reminded he is a fellow green mountain boy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: gender tend to triple triple heart emoji.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, no, no, these Kingdom is like remote.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That is a remote place.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're the tri-state is not so.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, it is that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember if I knew Julia was up in the Northeast Kingdom as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was always good to talk to a fellow Romantra.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I am a transplant though, so I will be...

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a... where do they call it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Colors GoFers or Ground Collegers?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I forgot they have some funny names for non-vermontors.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We are... Pente... Internally displaced, pandemic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: People's, but we do love Vermont.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, doing a read her second message.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Is reverse-wish sound that thing?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't have a technical way of saying it, but sound number one, sounded like an inverse of sounds 2 and 3.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Amazing catch-lo-hounds they've live on the mic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Huh?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You are afraid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely fucking terrible.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love all his little under the breath comments, so let's listen to that first motion again.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we're afraid Right now, so she's thinking that that sounds a little bit Reversey What do you think?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know Because I still hear the big Silent woman at the end of all three of them

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it sounds to me like it's someone taking off not landing in all three just saying well, but yeah, okay, all right, rather than incoming and then yeah, it's I'll go it right right

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[SPEAKER_03]: now there was a bunch of other sort of background music and so you know they're not they haven't given us anything more on edge.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So now we're starting to feel a little bit like oh my right about this because it sounded mushy to me and but then there was some other sound effects you know some background music that was like oh is that actually a sound you know so but then they gave us really clear

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[SPEAKER_03]: two more times.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the rules of three, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like when John sings the song, for the third time, he sings a choice so that we know when Hal says they're playing our song.

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[SPEAKER_03]: John gets the signal, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's, you know, it sets it in our consciousness.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We need it like three times, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that it's like, yeah, this is a clear signal.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we are finished

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, Julia's next message, I don't think Bernadette was lying.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think how probably seen it that invite on purpose.

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[SPEAKER_03]: However, Jones theory, that forgiving how could lead to forgiveness of Bernadette is so good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong about her not life, but good mom or bad mom, good

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[SPEAKER_03]: their legal intelligence and formidable and our peers is not a magneto professor X1 for one, but definitely see an idea of equals craving the companionship of someone who, quote unquote, gets it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Hmm, anything.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't think about that, I didn't make those connections, but that is an interesting

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I can see that, I can see that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It has a kind of logic to it, doesn't it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's an intensity about both of them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's like, she would have been a formidable green lantern.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, oh yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because she does not broke fools, man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And she says that Leon, like real quick.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like how well is, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you had to play the game and you know set things up, but yeah, so yeah, she would have been a she would have been a formidable green lantern.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so yeah, I think Julie is on to something there that there's a kindred spirit vibe between the two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I mean there's also sort of that parental.

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[SPEAKER_03]: vibe, you know, that in a way young, young junior is, you know, as a mentee, I do happen to be a junior as well.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's true.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, just say to say, I have not seen you making

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[SPEAKER_03]: feel something for, you know, how does feels something for John Jewer in that sort of all apparent kind of way?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's good.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's a good way to view them.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Magneto and Professor Esk, not exactly the same, but sort of like that, like I can see that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Are you going to pick up the next one?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Hello, well, sorry I'm commenting.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm live commenting my listen, but I had one last thought.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to fail to record before Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And that first episode, I don't think Noah needed help throwing the football.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think that was the start of his seduction of John, not sexual, only using seduction because that's the man-hunter's whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Look how comfortable John felt that dinner.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like I felt that kickback with a beer relaxation.

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[SPEAKER_05]: My cackles were up, but I was happy for John to have a moment to relax.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Even if he was only a relaxing, because he's under a man's spell, that's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like her turned to man's spell, like, so they put us down.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's the best item.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you think too?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: DJ comments out on her comment saying, Julia, I like this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if mother and son have man hunter.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to die about that in a minute.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Or seducing John.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's actually in some way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Very interesting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love how in the middle of the podcast you can literally.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Your tape is my good coat.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm down for this because, so one of the things that the D&D guys have been catching a little friction point for them is, especially for Ron, is if the man hunters are as powerful

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[SPEAKER_03]: then it seemed a little bit easy for John Jr. to kill Zoe in a way like, well, I was sort of a one, you know, headshot, you know, cyber thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was planning when we go over there for the to do some season wrap-up conversations with that, I was going to bring this on over, which is one of the things that we've seen about Zoe is

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's not Iron Man with like impenetrable suit and death rays coming out of her eyes and rocket packs coming out like unfolding out of her back like the drop ship and aliens or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This man hunter is like a super intelligent plotting the thought of coal works behind the scenes kind of man hunter.

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[SPEAKER_03]: their insidious writing and talk and we even get some of the talk about how to use things when she was getting John his new skin.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So the power of this manhunter is in their influence, like DJO and Julia here saying that

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're pruning John under spell, just like they put care under spell, just like they put we'll make in under spell, like they put everybody in rush bill under a spell, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: How I was oh, I was oh, he didn't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And in this case, what Zoe was doing was creating a protective bubble around herself.

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[SPEAKER_03]: because she knew some day that somebody would come looking for her, be it the guardians, be it antons, people, you know, antons people or whomever the green lanterns.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so she was using the people of the town, not in a, you know, she wasn't trying to undermine the earth, because if she was trying to undermine the earth, we'd already been cooked.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But she was just creating a protective bubble around herself to be able to survive.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Here it's a green.

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[SPEAKER_03]: something that's just starting to occur to me now too because we've been talking about this that maybe Noah is Zoe's offspring, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because Anton was like, hey, you know, you know, we can never procreate.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's been lots of talks about genetics and, oh, you know, if the father was fearless, maybe that that's present more of the sons and, you know, family, you know, there's a lot of family stuff going on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So what if, if this is new, right now, in this moment, what if Zoe, after the thing with Anton, she was like, hmm, you know, maybe I do want something more from life, maybe I do want that legacy of being a parent and, you know, having offspring.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so when, abinsure, when she got the chance from abinsure,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Instead of saying, hey, I'm going to corrupt this world and wipe them out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm actually going to use them, and I'm going to have a child, and I'm going to create this town as the protective bubble for my offspring.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But what I will say, you know, after seven episodes, is that if I had a chance to speak to the show runners, the team behind this series, you know what I was asked?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I did the midnight boys, I listened to it on your recommendation.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But the question I would ask is perhaps,

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[SPEAKER_05]: right.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So the ideas that we have about what the man hunters are that overwhelming power from the comics, maybe that's not what they intended to have these characters portray.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They wanted

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[SPEAKER_05]: Because again, we're talking about Android, you know, sentient robots who wipe out organic life that's Ultraman 2.0.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And the MCU already did that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So maybe taking the

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[SPEAKER_05]: that we'll do this story but tell it in a different way.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's why we don't have the boom, bam, pals of robotic power being displayed on TV.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like mass of green scene set pieces, right, you know, super OP power, uh, uh, John could be wrong.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, I'm not saying that's what they intended, but it is plausible to me that that is the way that they envision portraying man hunters in a different light than we've already seen sentient robots be portrayed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So Connor sent in some material.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And one of the things that he's sending was about manhunter.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to do that at the end, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Comics corner comes at the end, so that if people are like, whoa, a little too nerdy for me, like that's down there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But he's got a voicemail about manhunter.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll hear about that a little bit more later about his comics thoughts on what manhunter is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I like what you're saying.

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[SPEAKER_03]: in as much as these are smart show runners, these are smart writers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They are aware of what's been done in the marketplace in the last 20 years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They've seen what's worked on what's not, whether they're conscious of that or not, that is in their brains, they have a residual sense memory

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[SPEAKER_03]: the uh... what was the uh... Avengers you know that the Avengers movie the final judges age of all yeah well and and it all age of all three but what's the final one uh... and it's a and thank you they will have a sense memory of seeing black Panther they will have a sense memory of seeing superman aquaman whatever all of these things so that is in their space they can't not separate themselves they haven't been living in case right there

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[SPEAKER_03]: The demon-lin-law of mystery box silliness aside, who are the writers and what stories are they trying to tell?

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[SPEAKER_03]: They know that if you just start throwing magic ring shit all over the place from the get go, then you just change the scale of the show and then there's no stakes, nothing means anything because everybody's okay, everybody's overpowered.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so making a man hunter not death rays of rockets coming out of their back is a far more interesting challenge as a writer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And far more interesting for us as an audience, I would assert, then having some killer robot that is like amazingly powerful and insightful and can just manipulate everything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I totally agree with your take on this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so I think that that really might be why we don't see, you know, like you said, the OP antagonist here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like so I could be wrong, maybe we get all of that in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: maybe that comes out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They can just throw all the effects about just the last episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Right into the last episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We get all the spectacular, you know, on-screen, mashups and blowups that we want to see.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But I think for the, at least for the first seven episodes that they wanted it down on purpose.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So, but that's the question I would ask of the

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[SPEAKER_03]: And they did mention that on that midnight boy interview.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They just said, if you just start popping off at the ring from episode one, then you just change the scale of the scope of the expectations of the show from the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but I think what some people are expressing that they wish that they had more of the spectacular on show.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I get it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I understand it for me.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I just think it works for me personally.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, it works for me personally, too.

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[SPEAKER_05]: What they've done, I don't miss the spectacular.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There are times that I do miss the spectacular, that I do want what I see on comic book pages to be replayed and read done on screen.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, there are moments that I'm like, oh, the fuck, what that?

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[SPEAKER_05]: But,

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm engaged in this story, and I don't find myself missing that with this show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm the same way, and I think, all right, so I'm going to react to the day of D, guys, a little bit real-time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, gosh.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They got some complaints about that, you know, it's too much this way, and I don't know

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'll say, I'm going to say this, so we go over there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to say, I think if it had been the other way, you guys would have been complaining.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the other, I think you would have complained either way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think if it had been all this power bang, you'd be complaining that it wasn't grounded enough and it wasn't enough true detective in it and whatnot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So to me, you know, this is what I'm on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is, again, personally,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Perfect show for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like and or right that we didn't and or didn't have skywalkers and lightsabers and force users But it dealt with all these these really deep issues Penguin did this for me and we talked about this very early on in the beginning of the round of the show It's like where are these shows that are set in these supernatural worlds and it's

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[SPEAKER_03]: with these, you know, super-powered individuals and things like that, but yeah, they're not giving us all green screen action, but they're actually telling story.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you said this a lot, I don't care what the story is, but tell the story well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, develop the characters, build the tension, pay off the drama, and take our characters,

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[SPEAKER_03]: somewhere interesting so that we are taken somewhere interesting.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Adaptations are adaptations that someone else is views of how they see the things that, you know, you might have read that I might have read.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And they get to make, you know, the choices that they want to make based on how they view the story.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But again, if you tell a good story, then I'm cool with changes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I just happened to think this is a good story.

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[SPEAKER_05]: of the folks that are the folks who don't.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's cool.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We're not all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We're not nagging.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We're not.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We're not trying to make anybody like something that they don't they don't like.

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[SPEAKER_05]: God knows, you're not going to make me like something.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't like.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I was like, I was the first boy and we like, hey, if you think, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_05]: But it's um, but again, I just think that

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[SPEAKER_05]: given how the first seven episodes have played out, it has to be, to me, it would have to be like a conscious decision that they made to portray the man hunter in this way.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm really

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[SPEAKER_03]: because you know back to where she said, you know, to how she gave me a miracle.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're all assuming it's nowhere.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And how that actually went down and what was, you know, what was the mechanics word of it and everything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But we know that Carrie is maternal to Noah, regardless of whether it's biological or adoptive, right, or whatever that whatever the structure is there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'd like this idea that Zoe created Rushville, so that Zoe could have the opportunity to have something more than the, the, I would say, I want to say this pursuit of, and it kind of is going to talk about this later, but this particular pursuit of justice, and justice, myths, and what that actually means in practice.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's do this, let's take our first break, and then we'll come back and we'll finish or keep going on with some more feedback.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and we're back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, you want to pick up Steve's next email.

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[SPEAKER_05]: How do you fellas?

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[SPEAKER_05]: What's up Steve?

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[SPEAKER_05]: David, I totally didn't catch that was Melanie singing the Bob Dylan cover in this last episode.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Do you guys remember episode one?

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[SPEAKER_05]: The song that how kept playing on the jukebox to piss off the locals?

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[SPEAKER_05]: That was Melanie's famously annoying song for any you keep.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my, the main words that repeat in that song are, I've got a brand new pair of roller skates.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You've got a brand new key.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think Hal's song selection certainly makes a lot more sense now.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Six episodes later, whether or not the roller skates referred directly to the ring, the key is certainly significant to Hal's story.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And Junior's now.

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[SPEAKER_05]: What do you think?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, I think you should keep your name out because there's a little bit to this story.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Then now with the Millie, I will just quickly interject, however, is that's Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't connect that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That Melanie from Brandy Roller Skates to this Melanie of the Bob Dylan cover.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought the cover that they played us was more contemporary, contemporaneous, more recent.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But Melanie was, she was an artist from before.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of covers being made these days.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know Mark has talked about it, I'll never mind the music a bunch, and I forget what they're called.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're not covers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's some other name.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like a remake.

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[SPEAKER_03]: On original?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Almost has been taken.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, that's a carry on with this email.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, and as far as Melanie's Dylan Cover goes, the last line and don't think twice could easily be both Hal and Junior, directing that sentiment towards each other in a banter sort of way.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So long, honey babe, where I'm bound, I can't tell.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Goodbyes, too good, a word babe.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So I'll just say fairly well.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I ain't not saying you treated me on con.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You could have done better, but I don't mind.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You just kind of wasted my precious time, but don't think twice.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's all right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: P.S.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love it when the music folks on a show can find a song.

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[SPEAKER_03]: that says something about what's going on on screen, but that song, I'd have been written 20, 30 years ago or something, or maybe even more recent, but written and performed in an entirely different setting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: With no intention that it's going to be used for the show, but I love it when they can find a song that not only is,

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[SPEAKER_03]: it's a cool song, it sounds good, it's fine, it's cool, but then there's lyrics in it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That adds something to our conversation, that adds to our interpretation, that adds something to our experience of the show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I so love the fact that Steve, like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: You got to get in, got the lyrics, and that's more out of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's like, this is what makes the world like, I love digging this stuff up, and then go, oh, look at this cool thing, perfect insights deep.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And then we have a PS.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Also, I don't know about anyone else, but that scene on the dead planet where they're in a robot and those little red apples started floating by one by one.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I was a helicopter transported right back to the sewer as a dairy.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Ooh, I'm not saying that the show run has turned Zoe into Pennywise, but her shifting her strategies and focusing on manipulating a small little town.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Sure, make it seem like the general idea of it was on their minds.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it, I did not watch it

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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, next up is Troy Bees email.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I got it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Troy says hats ceremony.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Noah brought up his team, which is a shield.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He is hiding behind.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like the man hunter used the town as her shield.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Troy's on his own and he has got no redirected the full blunt of the attention on him in this moment and directed it towards the game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, directing the whole town like a man Hunter would.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't look at me, look or do something else because something may happen at the gate.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Troy, this is the first music.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This is something that happened at the gate.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like Troy's insight here on how

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[SPEAKER_03]: Noah is doing exactly what a man had to do, but Troy, but Noah is not a man hunter that was created by the Guardians Noah is an offspring.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So in all offspring are always the same but different of their progenitors.

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[SPEAKER_03]: creation, so-herse, whatever, I don't know if it's a weird way to say that, you know, from your parents or what have you, but then you are your own person and you have your own trajectory at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So Noah, interested in being into politics, because Anton said, oh, it's not like you to have taken an alpha position, like you would always take a

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[SPEAKER_03]: But then Noah, if Noah wants to get into politics, be a senator and all that kind of stuff, that's a bit high profile from what Antan would have, was suggesting that how Joey has a manhunter operates.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that tracks because then the offspring is their own person, Noah is his own person.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And if he's part human in some way, if he's not pure manhunter, that makes even more sense

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, so is it the consensus around Laura Hound's galaxy universe that not only is there another man hunter, but that man hunter is Noah, is that what I'm hearing from you David?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I'm just using my position to ask questions and think about things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So you, but I think that would be a view that an episode eight, that's the question.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, I think everyone is settled on that the mystery is not over, that there is more

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Then from there, the theories, I think are are numerous.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think if you ask the theories, they're certainly thinking that somebody else is a straight-up manhunter.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm fully settled on the fact that

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[SPEAKER_03]: Noah is the offspring of the man hunter.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And whether he's part human and part man hunter, or he's full man hunter, or, you know, he's a man of the construct of a man hunter, like you know, uh, he's some sort of, uh,

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[SPEAKER_03]: you know copy copy what's the japano right was that the puppet do right you know it's kind of a japano what was Pinocchio situation some sort of creation that was you know that Zoe breathe life into in some way I don't know yet okay but I don't think people are anti that theory

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't heard people say otherwise, but I think people are still very suspicions of what's going on in Russia.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, just have answered your question about our musings.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hello, Beth.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, Beth.

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[SPEAKER_05]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You want to pick up Ken W?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, let's go to Ken W with this wonderful subject line that we saw.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Jack and shit.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, when somebody sends a email with that subject like, you know, you're immediately like, oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Can't just hear it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What do we talk about?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Can W friend of the pod long time.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So, yes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Hello, when they already have hook, have you hooked, but keep throwing more entry got you.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Both have serious childhood trauma.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And what's going on with John, the first green lantern without the need for the ring?

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[SPEAKER_05]: but they can keep on going into season two now.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Which I read was happening, but not officially said yet.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Hopefully.

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[SPEAKER_05]: fingers crossed.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Who shot?

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[SPEAKER_05]: How Jordan?

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[SPEAKER_03]: If we just said Nestor, it's on our Who shot?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Who shot?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Come on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I'll catch everybody down.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Who shot HJ?

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[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Come on, Heather.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Come on, Heather.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Come on, Heather.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Come on, Heather.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Stop it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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[SPEAKER_05]: Will John take a suit from the house, please?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's, uh, I don't think he knew.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Because, does he care fit a suit from how?

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, that won't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't think no, no, John, John's physique would not allow him to fit into what a house.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, you're all face on that one.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Is there something more going on in Rushville?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Is it possible there's enough of men until they're looking about?

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[SPEAKER_05]: We just talked about that, kid.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, who will John pay reparations?

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[SPEAKER_05]: And how many rocks does John want to kick after giving his watch away?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Let me tell you just, you know,

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[SPEAKER_05]: First of all, we're not going to use the racist terminologies that they're trying to get us to you.

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[SPEAKER_05]: If he may not come out of reparations, this name reparations is blackmail.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_05]: And you know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_03]: What's funny is in that same conversation, he said, would I resist?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like in the same, like it was a perfect setup.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a perfect sort of little ropa-do thing that the writers threw in there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And again,

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[SPEAKER_05]: Given the way that was, that's like a Law, it's a rich.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You watch and it is Lisa, Lisa.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was secret.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We don't say Richard.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We say Richard.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We saw a Richard Miller.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean I mean you're nail it much.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's a Richard.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Me.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You don't say that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You do it John.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What is our world?

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[SPEAKER_03]: What are we doing in this world that you're paying two or three hundred thousand dollars?

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[SPEAKER_03]: for a piece of years on your wrist and there's something wrong with that man.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you ran a head piece made of gold and diamonds to show people who you are.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's a you know.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So you still want to run?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So people who you are, do you show that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: But to remember, people who you are.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Some people want to build arches and big ball groups, don't know?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's this more, it's the sense of mortality.

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[SPEAKER_03]: that, and when you fear, when you can't imagine the world without you, and it's not just something that's happening in now, it's happened across the span of human history, right, that there are people who can't imagine the world without their imprint on it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the parents are one of

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[SPEAKER_05]: and so was the wish on me.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So John, John gives her that three-fifteen.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Now we scrapping, I'm not only scrapping with John, you know, we're gonna rush real, we've demanded that three-fifteen back because she got three-fifteen and the watch.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And we ain't letting that go.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We ain't letting that happen, you know what's that?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm calling the girls, I'm calling it everybody.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm calling Burner that, I'm like,

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[SPEAKER_05]: You think Bernadette gonna let that slide?

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[SPEAKER_05]: She might let that slide.

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[SPEAKER_05]: 3, 5, 10, and I'll be sure I'm there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Come on.

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[SPEAKER_05]: No way.

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[SPEAKER_05]: No way, we're not doing that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We're not doing that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So many rocks will be kicked.

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[SPEAKER_05]: If she gets that 3, 4, 10, but many rocks.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, and finally, Ken W says, and 60 minutes of pure joy ahead me things.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I, you know, I kind of,

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm thinking, yeah, it's going to be a really good, I think they land the plane.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I really do.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I would be shocked if they didn't.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I know there's a lot of moving parts.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I know there's a lot of moving parts.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There's so much that we want to get answers to.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Will they give answers to everything?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I can't say with confidence that, yes, they will.

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[SPEAKER_05]: that the plane will be landed and we will disembark safely.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I really do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I would have a hard time if it would be crushing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It would be crushing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It would be crushing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It would.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because the show is just worked from confidence to confidence all season.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, granted, there's a few things here, like nine months sniper missions and, you know, a few little, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But none of that has taken me out of the issue.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like it's all fine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Looks like you want to pick up Ken's other yeah, yes, that we got from the Patreon.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Hello, Gun has said online that it's season finale.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Not series finale.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And unfortunately, I've seen episode eight is just one hour long.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Hopefully into webs are wrong.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Ken.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, um, there's a lot to do in that horror.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I totally agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I, you know, I'm used with you the other day.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That I said, I hope they have two hours set up for it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's what I'm like, yeah, I think this is what his message is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, too.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So it's just, um, yeah, just, uh,

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this is a lot to do, but again, I am hopeful and I feel fairly confident that given the hour time frame, that we will be satisfied and left wanting for more, obviously, but we will be satisfied.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So, can they do it?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Optimistically, I'm saying yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: these are experienced showrunners and I think the writing credits were for Linda law from the other two showrunners.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't have the wiki Pedro right in front of me says when I think it's Linda law for him king for this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just jumped over the wiki page here and says Monday, Linda law for king are credit writers.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, and they wrote the, for now, the pilot as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They wrote the pilot pilot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what's interesting is on that interview with

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[SPEAKER_03]: Brit Gibson and Vanessa Maving Kelly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, with being Kelly, one of the questions that they asked them was about this episode order itself like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And apparently, they juggled all of the episode, the order of the episodes, after.

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[SPEAKER_03]: in post production.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, whoa, that is wild.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like if a show can hold, if a show can withstand that kind of, hey, we're going to shoot it in this order.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All the actors are working in this order, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then we take it and then we go, okay, well, this episode goes here and then out of the circus here and they scramble two or three episodes around like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: for a show to hang together and have as much coherence as this season has had with all of the moving parts and all of the intricacies.

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[SPEAKER_03]: To me that is a strength of the writing because we know would show that shall not be named.

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[SPEAKER_03]: that our brother over there was writing it on the fly as he went and it was a complete shit show and made no sense and he was feasting on the bones of another show and script and it was they were like writing it while they were shooting it was like a complete mess.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So this they wrote it, they shot it and then they juggled the order that's wild to me that the show

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[SPEAKER_05]: Go ahead, don't remember, I don't remember which part it was.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It might have been the DC official part with the writers, after Episode 3, Vanessa Baton Kelly said that I believe Episode 3 originally was going to be Episode 5, and they're like, no.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and they jump in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's like two other episodes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They jump in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's three and five switch and I think there was a couple others that switched as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So like four episodes got moved around in an eight episodes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's half the episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Do the season.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the season can hang together and it's better for it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That is an amazing level of writing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That is just because the show is so coherent and so well, you know, the red yarn on their board when they were breaking the story, you know, the whole conspiracy board thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That they did it some masterful work to be able to do it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, we got banana sent in an audio music.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, banana.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And again, you can send in one of these two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You just do a voice memo app on your phone and then just email it to comics versus works real simple.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Help.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Captain of Mystery Box.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only way to get out is to share my theories.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So here's my theory for episode seven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The last minute of the show gave me this idea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The team up between Halagram and John is working so well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if this was Hal's plan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His backup is failsafe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 20 years ago, when he defeated Sinestro, and warm out so badly, so emotionally, that he thought I can't do it again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if I leave my backup from before, maybe he could do the job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now in 2026, this is working.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what's happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully that's a good theory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Either way, I'm excited for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next week's episode, the whole series has been no wasted scream time, so I know it's going to be a great finale.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's interesting that how it was like, yeah, these next 20 years are going to be shit.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm cooked.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm cooked.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Let me, let me leave a better version of myself because I can feel it coming.

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[SPEAKER_05]: A pre-synestro fight version of myself.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's, get it, that's something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm gonna deep into the role of tinfoil there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got the whole role out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's just playing the tinfoil.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a great newsy.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Seriously.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's some great news thing right there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I like that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: When Joe win, how comes it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Cross John Jr. And says, Wow, this guy really is my replay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like this is the guy who can't inherit the Greenland turn mantle from me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to be pissy about it, but he's still the guy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Guy garter is not the guy, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like John Jr. is the guy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he knows that he's got the hologram there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like one of those plans where you're like, oh, I'm going to set this thing up over here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then, oh, wow, circumstances, something else crops up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then it plays perfectly into the thing that I had set up before.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so that's when he calls him to brush bill.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got a trick him to get Bernadette to say, you know, do the whole apology thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then after he strikes him and he's like, how is it fried?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: John Jr. has never seen Hall of Freight, can't imagine him afraid, and when he's lying sideways in the bush saying, don't tell you what you're here for, whatever you do, like with that fear, that palpable fear emanating off of him, those are all just big signals to John, lock in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you've got everything that you need.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know how to, you know, the hologram, the ring, like all of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know that you can use it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then he's got the hologram there as this excellent, pre-jaded version of himself.

01:00:13.405 --> 01:00:16.628
[SPEAKER_05]: I think that's good, I like that.

01:00:17.008 --> 01:00:18.189
[SPEAKER_05]: I like that.

01:00:19.170 --> 01:00:27.638
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, Chambarouski, aka Chambaroni, a lore master posted this on the discord, and I wanted to throw this in.

01:00:27.658 --> 01:00:33.944
[SPEAKER_03]: And this goes into the second manhunter theory, which helped me sort of refine my theory.

01:00:34.004 --> 01:00:38.648
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is like a little bit of an earlier version of at least my thoughts.

01:00:40.242 --> 01:00:46.851
[SPEAKER_03]: Jim Rune says, I haven't been reading all the comments in the threads every week, but I'm thinking sheriff, the sheriff is the main hunder.

01:00:48.033 --> 01:00:52.039
[SPEAKER_03]: She's able to continue to be the lady sheriff in a small, estimate West.

01:00:52.720 --> 01:00:55.844
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, Jim Rune, and everybody's seemingly likes her.

01:00:56.883 --> 01:00:58.824
[SPEAKER_03]: Her stepmom is a man hunter.

01:00:58.884 --> 01:01:05.989
[SPEAKER_03]: Her son is looking obviously to beat one as well, but has anybody ever considered that the sheriff is the lead man hunter.

01:01:06.729 --> 01:01:16.956
[SPEAKER_03]: Zoey was the decoy, like number two, ready to take the all for the good of the mission, kind of person, or maybe she was the leader and sacrifice herself.

01:01:17.677 --> 01:01:21.239
[SPEAKER_03]: And so now it's just the sheriff and her son as the only man hunters left.

01:01:21.319 --> 01:01:25.622
[SPEAKER_03]: But I just see a lot of people totally writing off the sheriff as the man hunter.

01:01:26.297 --> 01:01:33.461
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the midnight boys, for example, don't even list her in the who's who the man under this well, they do in the episode seven recap.

01:01:33.481 --> 01:01:36.663
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think this was set before their episode seven came out.

01:01:37.703 --> 01:01:42.926
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just find it crazy that nobody is thinking that she's probably a man after regardless of what health things.

01:01:43.066 --> 01:01:54.813
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, after all, aren't they supposed to be seducing people to gain advantages on situations, merriing Billy to get into the rich family in town, banging hell after he got out of prison to probably get close to him and learn whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She could about the Green Lantern's plans.

01:01:57.594 --> 01:01:58.034
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

01:01:58.694 --> 01:02:09.938
[SPEAKER_03]: It would be a classic kind of lindle off twist that, you know, was in plain sight the whole time, but also hidden due to us wanting to to trust secretly untrust worthy people.

01:02:09.958 --> 01:02:14.860
[SPEAKER_03]: What are your guys' thoughts on this a theory?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know you'd like it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't care.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't care.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't care.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't care.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't care.

01:02:37.525 --> 01:02:37.826
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't care.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't care.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't care.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think they were laying tracks for us all along that hern hell had actual genuine chemical.

01:02:51.035 --> 01:03:03.882
[SPEAKER_03]: And when they were arguing on the open road and she was like, Zoe gave me a miracle and it wasn't the thing, it wasn't the pinky, it was the opportunity to be a parent.

01:03:05.066 --> 01:03:07.490
[SPEAKER_03]: and to be a better parent than she had.

01:03:07.530 --> 01:03:10.155
[SPEAKER_03]: Cause this whole show is a lot about parents for that right?

01:03:10.175 --> 01:03:13.260
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like, yes, soaked through and through.

01:03:13.521 --> 01:03:15.284
[SPEAKER_03]: It's about parents and children.

01:03:17.115 --> 01:03:24.279
[SPEAKER_03]: And so this is why so Chumbaruni's theory helped clarify his musings helped clarify my theory.

01:03:24.299 --> 01:03:25.860
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm actually putting it as a theory.

01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:26.740
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm actually wager.

01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:26.940
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

01:03:27.221 --> 01:03:29.442
[SPEAKER_03]: Plains that know as is the offspring.

01:03:29.562 --> 01:03:31.943
[SPEAKER_05]: Is the second man on turn?

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, not a man hunter.

01:03:33.804 --> 01:03:34.545
[SPEAKER_03]: Not a man hunter.

01:03:34.565 --> 01:03:36.025
[SPEAKER_03]: I think her say right.

01:03:36.106 --> 01:03:39.347
[SPEAKER_03]: Not created by the guardians to the course justice of the world.

01:03:39.748 --> 01:03:44.110
[SPEAKER_03]: But Zoe realizing after her experience with Antan.

01:03:45.526 --> 01:03:47.408
[SPEAKER_03]: She was like, oh, what would it be like?

01:03:48.249 --> 01:03:54.615
[SPEAKER_03]: They, I don't know, but I get, you know, Zoe is like, was, it's something of my own.

01:03:54.635 --> 01:03:59.560
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, to create something, because Zoe's whole experience is a manhunter, is to destroy things.

01:04:00.701 --> 01:04:01.261
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

01:04:01.922 --> 01:04:04.664
[SPEAKER_03]: And maybe Antan has the spurned lover.

01:04:06.574 --> 01:04:10.758
[SPEAKER_03]: right, you know, she was like she had regrets that they couldn't have an offspring.

01:04:11.318 --> 01:04:13.120
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe she did actually fall in love.

01:04:13.180 --> 01:04:16.182
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe a man hunter can actually have feelings.

01:04:17.003 --> 01:04:17.503
[SPEAKER_05]: Interesting.

01:04:18.044 --> 01:04:19.565
[SPEAKER_05]: Because I like to remember release.

01:04:21.769 --> 01:04:23.490
[SPEAKER_05]: you know, thought process here.

01:04:23.950 --> 01:04:25.050
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:04:25.991 --> 01:04:27.151
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't trust Carrie.

01:04:28.032 --> 01:04:28.272
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

01:04:28.712 --> 01:04:34.294
[SPEAKER_05]: But she suspect 1,000 percent for me.

01:04:34.914 --> 01:04:37.175
[SPEAKER_05]: So there is something shady about her.

01:04:38.236 --> 01:04:43.358
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, I just don't know what that something is yet.

01:04:44.098 --> 01:04:54.249
[SPEAKER_05]: and for me I can see how it could be that she is also more than what she's shown.

01:04:55.910 --> 01:04:56.071
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.

01:04:56.831 --> 01:04:57.292
[SPEAKER_05]: I could get that.

01:04:57.392 --> 01:04:58.893
[SPEAKER_05]: I get that.

01:04:59.014 --> 01:05:06.121
[SPEAKER_03]: One of the questions that nobody's really done none of us have really dealt with is what happens when you have a little bit of manhunter blood in you.

01:05:10.585 --> 01:05:13.867
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, she dropped some blood in your eye.

01:05:14.287 --> 01:05:14.547
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:05:15.828 --> 01:05:17.689
[SPEAKER_03]: How does a man hunter procreate?

01:05:17.889 --> 01:05:20.851
[SPEAKER_03]: How does how did she grow that finger back, right?

01:05:20.991 --> 01:05:27.895
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, what do you become when the man hunter, you know, prepares you.

01:05:27.915 --> 01:05:30.097
[SPEAKER_03]: Give you a piece of themselves.

01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:34.879
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess we'll see.

01:05:35.119 --> 01:05:35.720
[SPEAKER_03]: Episode eight.

01:05:36.300 --> 01:05:37.101
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a question.

01:05:38.161 --> 01:05:38.982
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a question.

01:05:39.506 --> 01:05:46.632
[SPEAKER_03]: That's questions, but I like, whichever, I like, you know, Chemberoone's asking the questions, which are opening up the thoughts.

01:05:46.692 --> 01:05:50.054
[SPEAKER_03]: And I know a lot of people are hunting for the second man under.

01:05:50.495 --> 01:05:55.579
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think there's another man hunter, I think it's, you know, I've said that enough, I don't need to keep being known there.

01:05:55.719 --> 01:05:56.920
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, all right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: by do you want to read you jose or do you want me to read you so so either way you can read it all right so do you go on the patreon set on the heels of jones comment in the pond about representation so this is a so we're going to view off a little bit here let me just set this up real quick we're going to view off and talk about the social impacts and the social context of the show for a minute

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then after this we'll take another break and then we'll do comics corner with Connor and we've got some new things on Noah on John is an architect and then on Man hunter comic accuracy and we've got an audio clip from Connor there going into some of the comic history of the man hunters like the origin of the man hunters and how that

01:06:42.356 --> 01:06:45.138
[SPEAKER_03]: Guardians create the manual, why they created the manual?

01:06:45.158 --> 01:06:49.182
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a wide, the manhunter's went squithy, kind of like how, right?

01:06:49.362 --> 01:06:52.404
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, real quick shout out to, if you're into sci-fi film.

01:06:53.267 --> 01:07:03.909
[SPEAKER_03]: definitely go check out E-shirts podcast every single sci-fi film ever speaking of how and speaking of manhunter's programming getting corrupted.

01:07:04.829 --> 01:07:07.590
[SPEAKER_03]: She's covering 2001 space obviously right now.

01:07:07.610 --> 01:07:16.912
[SPEAKER_03]: She's up to that part of her timeline and she just dropped a double episode of two-hour conversation that she broke into two pods with two excellent guests going into the first part.

01:07:16.932 --> 01:07:17.752
[SPEAKER_03]: She's got four.

01:07:18.012 --> 01:07:21.273
[SPEAKER_03]: She's going to have four episodes about 2001 space Odyssey and it's

01:07:23.473 --> 01:07:25.835
[SPEAKER_03]: film making history and all that kind of stuff.

01:07:25.855 --> 01:07:31.919
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you're in the robot, it's going weird, getting weird and stuff, make sure to go check out Iesha's podcast real quick.

01:07:32.640 --> 01:07:35.582
[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, we're going to, uh, Connor will have that clip.

01:07:36.022 --> 01:07:41.146
[SPEAKER_03]: And we can, he's got some other information about Carol Ferris and Guy Gardner, and we can see if we want to cover some better not.

01:07:42.167 --> 01:07:50.313
[SPEAKER_03]: But, uh, for Gito's, uh, comment here, I just wanted to create the context for, which is about,

01:07:51.593 --> 01:08:13.976
[SPEAKER_03]: what this show is representing to a whole bunch of people and what in picking up on what you were putting down the other week, about being a young black man, watching all these shows, but then being able to see different kinds of stories and see people that looked like you on screen, or not seeing people.

01:08:15.713 --> 01:08:16.453
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let's read.

01:08:16.493 --> 01:08:16.814
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's read.

01:08:16.874 --> 01:08:19.155
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's read his email and then.

01:08:19.195 --> 01:08:19.435
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

01:08:20.375 --> 01:08:20.735
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk.

01:08:20.756 --> 01:08:29.840
[SPEAKER_03]: So, Jesus, on the heels, John comments at the end of the podcast about representation and feeling seen in the media, I'm a South Asian man and was a boy in the 80s.

01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:35.142
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember once we moved into a new apartment and I was making friends with the kids next door.

01:08:35.203 --> 01:08:43.026
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember telling them that I'm Indian, but I'm the quote unquote good kind, not the kind that haulers and hoots

01:08:45.711 --> 01:08:57.713
[SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting as a child, what I thought about indigenous people and myself for having to feel like they need to clarify that I'm the, quote unquote, good India.

01:08:59.154 --> 01:09:17.627
[SPEAKER_03]: later as I became a teenager, I overcompensated my masculinity by being overly aggressive and violent towards peers who made fun of me and asked stupid questions like, do you own a 711 or speaking to speak in an accent as an India?

01:09:19.016 --> 01:09:31.024
[SPEAKER_03]: We, South Asians, were always portrayed as weak and lesser than others in the US, oftentimes amasculated, so I felt the need to be overly masculine.

01:09:31.945 --> 01:09:39.850
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad to say that now, in my 50s, in understanding what was done to me and the healing has started and is ongoing.

01:09:40.410 --> 01:09:46.174
[SPEAKER_03]: I understand now that masculinity can be tender and merciful, along with being strong,

01:09:48.263 --> 01:09:59.346
[SPEAKER_03]: I love this show and shows like Wonderman that do a great job of representing people of the minority that should be seen as heroes and not villains.

01:10:01.047 --> 01:10:06.729
[SPEAKER_03]: Hoping that the show that's renewed and more shows like this get made, thanks for all that we're on the plot.

01:10:08.149 --> 01:10:11.110
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, first I just want to say to DJ, thank you for writing this scene.

01:10:12.470 --> 01:10:15.171
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for having the clarity and the sense of purpose.

01:10:18.956 --> 01:10:20.577
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, welcome home.

01:10:20.737 --> 01:10:28.040
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess I don't know, like you found a bunch of people that you can share something like this with and feel comfortable sharing this with.

01:10:28.540 --> 01:10:32.621
[SPEAKER_03]: That says something about the kinds of conversations that we're having this community.

01:10:33.562 --> 01:10:36.823
[SPEAKER_03]: So thank you for taking the time to write this in.

01:10:37.819 --> 01:11:02.612
[SPEAKER_05]: because it's great email and the heels of what DJO said and what I said at the end of our last part is just that I think we get into media and watching shows and movies and off the times critics and people who are speaking on them are not

01:11:03.708 --> 01:11:12.650
[SPEAKER_05]: will say, this is not for me when they happen to be white, and what's on screen is not white.

01:11:14.470 --> 01:11:20.632
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's the thing that really pisses me on.

01:11:21.232 --> 01:11:26.733
[SPEAKER_05]: Because for those who are not white, this is new.

01:11:29.115 --> 01:11:30.936
[SPEAKER_05]: quite frankly, right?

01:11:31.177 --> 01:11:48.670
[SPEAKER_05]: There was a moment in Tadeira, there were moments in time, you know, in the 70s, you know, early to mid-90s, where you had films and TV shows, you know, sometimes in the 80s,

01:11:58.755 --> 01:12:00.176
[SPEAKER_05]: the shows were about them.

01:12:02.798 --> 01:12:17.470
[SPEAKER_05]: But growing up, blockbuster fair, the stuff that got toys made, they were never featuring people who were not white.

01:12:19.981 --> 01:12:33.887
[SPEAKER_05]: And I still went in, watch, Star Wars, and aliens, and all these other things that back to the future.

01:12:35.348 --> 01:12:48.333
[SPEAKER_05]: So many movies, top-gun, that the characters that I wanted to see and identify with, they weren't black.

01:12:51.377 --> 01:13:11.961
[SPEAKER_05]: But the movies were fun, and as a teenager, and as a kid, and as I got to be an adult, it was like, okay, I don't see myself on the screen, but I can still imagine myself in those films, in those setting.

01:13:12.841 --> 01:13:14.962
[SPEAKER_05]: And you can still enjoy the storytelling.

01:13:15.022 --> 01:13:16.242
[SPEAKER_05]: And I can still enjoy it.

01:13:17.723 --> 01:13:19.843
[SPEAKER_05]: And I did, and I think,

01:13:21.108 --> 01:13:31.334
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, we do ourselves at this service when we see something and say, that's not for me because you don't see yourself on screen.

01:13:33.755 --> 01:13:36.357
[SPEAKER_05]: It makes it infuriate to me.

01:13:36.397 --> 01:13:37.518
[SPEAKER_05]: When I hear that from people.

01:13:38.758 --> 01:13:43.361
[SPEAKER_05]: I remember, you know, people saying, Black Panther wasn't for me.

01:13:43.541 --> 01:13:47.203
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm talking about people who collect comics.

01:13:49.064 --> 01:13:49.985
[SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, huh?

01:13:50.990 --> 01:14:15.651
[SPEAKER_05]: I had to reevaluate relationships that I had not close friends, but people in passing that I would meet at the comic shop or a comic call or whatever, I had to reevaluate why am I even speak to this person, why do we really have in common, because if you

01:14:18.564 --> 01:14:25.850
[SPEAKER_05]: can look at me and say, Black Panther really wasn't for me, then what the fuck are we doing here?

01:14:28.071 --> 01:14:28.932
[SPEAKER_05]: What are we doing here?

01:14:29.432 --> 01:14:46.205
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, so it's those moments that I realized that for a large part of our culture, they haven't had to have things that don't look like them and imagine themselves in those settings.

01:14:48.608 --> 01:14:50.089
[SPEAKER_05]: for black folk, for brown folk.

01:14:50.829 --> 01:14:51.809
[SPEAKER_05]: It's always been that way.

01:14:54.250 --> 01:14:54.930
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's okay.

01:14:56.131 --> 01:15:07.995
[SPEAKER_05]: That you don't see yourself on screen, but you go and sit down in the theater, you might see yourself in the story, even though the characters don't look like you.

01:15:17.855 --> 01:15:31.702
[SPEAKER_05]: immigrant, son of immigrants, first generation American, it's you want to embrace all those things that make America America, right?

01:15:32.923 --> 01:15:40.147
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm happy to be in a space where my kid can go to the movies and see

01:15:41.393 --> 01:15:43.215
[SPEAKER_05]: you know, faces that look like his.

01:15:44.657 --> 01:15:48.381
[SPEAKER_05]: Not as adorable, they'll get it wrong, you know.

01:15:48.401 --> 01:15:52.866
[SPEAKER_03]: So he gets to see faces that look like him and not look like him.

01:15:53.107 --> 01:15:53.988
[SPEAKER_03]: He gets to see both.

01:15:54.388 --> 01:15:54.688
[SPEAKER_03]: Both.

01:15:54.789 --> 01:15:55.549
[SPEAKER_03]: He gets both.

01:15:55.750 --> 01:15:56.631
[SPEAKER_05]: You only got one.

01:15:57.191 --> 01:15:57.792
[SPEAKER_05]: I only got one.

01:15:59.454 --> 01:15:59.554
[SPEAKER_05]: And

01:16:00.772 --> 01:16:04.774
[SPEAKER_05]: And again, I'm not saying that there weren't movies that featured black people.

01:16:05.734 --> 01:16:20.219
[SPEAKER_05]: What I am saying is that in the broader cultural side guys, it those films that made impact in those ways were very few and far between.

01:16:21.420 --> 01:16:21.640
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

01:16:23.320 --> 01:16:26.962
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a real white black Panther, but such a cultural phenomenon.

01:16:27.422 --> 01:16:27.622
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

01:16:30.772 --> 01:16:34.375
[SPEAKER_05]: I, I didn't see it in the movie theater because I was not of it.

01:16:34.415 --> 01:16:48.667
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we were doing that in the movie theater, but you, you know, Beverly Hills Cobb was not the norm and the heavies, but Eddie Murphy was not the norm in the 80s.

01:16:49.808 --> 01:16:55.733
[SPEAKER_05]: But I know people who still black and white,

01:16:57.015 --> 01:16:59.778
[SPEAKER_05]: love that movie, you know?

01:17:00.698 --> 01:17:08.285
[SPEAKER_05]: So this idea that because I don't see myself in the character the character doesn't look like me, that move.

01:17:11.768 --> 01:17:12.408
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I did.

01:17:12.468 --> 01:17:13.169
[SPEAKER_05]: I knocked on my mic.

01:17:22.423 --> 01:17:28.148
[SPEAKER_05]: The person doesn't look like me, doesn't mean that the movie is not for you, right?

01:17:28.288 --> 01:17:31.110
[SPEAKER_05]: And I wish we could get away from that thinking, right.

01:17:33.552 --> 01:17:46.642
[SPEAKER_03]: And then when we get to see other stories centering on other people who look differently, we now get boasts, we get more

01:17:48.276 --> 01:17:49.737
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not a taking away.

01:17:50.037 --> 01:17:52.939
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not an argument of other stories.

01:17:53.279 --> 01:17:59.743
[SPEAKER_03]: It is there's more for everybody, right?

01:17:59.944 --> 01:18:13.632
[SPEAKER_03]: In all aspects, because now I get to learn about or I get to experience like when watching Wonder Man and you know, yeah, yeah, like, oh, yeah, what's his family story, like, what's it like to be a black actor and Hollywood doing all these kind of things?

01:18:14.673 --> 01:18:17.155
[SPEAKER_03]: I get new insights into something that, you know,

01:18:18.465 --> 01:18:19.285
[SPEAKER_03]: in new ways.

01:18:19.566 --> 01:18:20.306
[SPEAKER_03]: It's more.

01:18:20.626 --> 01:18:20.966
[SPEAKER_03]: It didn't.

01:18:22.347 --> 01:18:22.887
[SPEAKER_03]: It did too.

01:18:23.047 --> 01:18:24.128
[SPEAKER_05]: It adds to it.

01:18:24.208 --> 01:18:41.876
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it adds and you know again this is a very I'm not speaking for the rest of the world but I have speaking for this American culture that we're in especially in these times that we're in.

01:18:43.477 --> 01:18:45.918
[SPEAKER_05]: That is important for white folk

01:18:47.389 --> 01:18:54.072
[SPEAKER_05]: to actively not do that.

01:18:55.013 --> 01:18:55.213
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

01:18:55.833 --> 01:18:56.033
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

01:18:56.833 --> 01:19:01.716
[SPEAKER_03]: Of all the things you can or cannot do, just don't do that.

01:19:01.736 --> 01:19:03.537
[SPEAKER_05]: You don't do that.

01:19:04.097 --> 01:19:04.337
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

01:19:04.437 --> 01:19:05.177
[SPEAKER_05]: You don't do that.

01:19:07.518 --> 01:19:14.942
[SPEAKER_05]: because I'll tell you right now, I am worried with the merger that just passed.

01:19:15.282 --> 01:19:15.523
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

01:19:15.783 --> 01:19:16.923
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:19:17.003 --> 01:19:31.392
[SPEAKER_05]: We will not see as many faces of, you know, a diverse casting as we've become accustomed to saying, on screen.

01:19:31.872 --> 01:19:32.092
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

01:19:32.552 --> 01:19:33.693
[SPEAKER_05]: That worries me greatly.

01:19:35.487 --> 01:19:37.768
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's huge conglomerate now.

01:19:37.788 --> 01:19:40.490
[SPEAKER_05]: This huge, this huge.

01:19:41.411 --> 01:19:45.393
[SPEAKER_03]: And what's wild is that, okay, well now I'm very, too far out here.

01:19:45.593 --> 01:19:46.274
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.

01:19:46.334 --> 01:19:59.182
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let's look at it, because there was a reason deregulation has been so active, because things were regulated before to keep these companies broken up,

01:20:01.228 --> 01:20:27.836
[SPEAKER_03]: And so they've undone that now and now they can create these big behemoths that then can actually reduce the kinds of story telling that we want to participate in, which is a broad spectrum of stories and a broad spectrum of people, of characters, of gender representation, of cultural representation, of ethnic representation.

01:20:30.567 --> 01:20:31.607
[SPEAKER_03]: that are just good stories.

01:20:31.667 --> 01:20:36.548
[SPEAKER_03]: We just want to watch good stories, no matter who is starring in them, but we want a bunch of people to start in them.

01:20:36.568 --> 01:20:38.088
[SPEAKER_03]: We want to see a bunch of stuff.

01:20:40.849 --> 01:20:46.770
[SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of which, just as we were talking, Alicia just published an episode on the main warhouse feed.

01:20:47.550 --> 01:20:49.590
[SPEAKER_03]: It's called Forgotten Island, 2026.

01:20:50.730 --> 01:20:57.192
[SPEAKER_03]: And the first half of it, it's a Filipino movie that's, this is the sort of Filipino heritage month.

01:20:57.612 --> 01:20:59.352
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes, yes, that just came out.

01:21:00.410 --> 01:21:13.240
[SPEAKER_03]: and she's talking to Paolo, one of her friends from the Oscar death race podcast, and it's a new dream works animated adventure home for God Island based on Filipino culture and mythology.

01:21:13.961 --> 01:21:23.168
[SPEAKER_03]: So she had a conversation with Paolo and so that is out now as the this will be out I think Saturday morning and so she just released it Friday night.

01:21:23.942 --> 01:21:29.303
[SPEAKER_03]: and they get into Filipino culture in mythology and then they talk about the film the second half.

01:21:29.723 --> 01:21:35.624
[SPEAKER_03]: So the first half of the podcast, you can listen in and that gets spoiled about the movie if you plan to go see the movie.

01:21:36.065 --> 01:21:48.107
[SPEAKER_03]: But then I think as to your point, John, go see that movie or see that movie somehow, some way, some way, shape or form, as an active thing that we do as a

01:21:53.132 --> 01:22:03.480
[SPEAKER_03]: are exposure to storytelling, and to support creators who were creating other things that are outside of a narrow band of storytelling.

01:22:06.282 --> 01:22:06.502
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.

01:22:06.962 --> 01:22:07.162
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

01:22:08.003 --> 01:22:08.623
[SPEAKER_03]: Anything else on that?

01:22:09.364 --> 01:22:09.864
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no.

01:22:11.627 --> 01:22:14.349
[SPEAKER_03]: I could thank you, Joe, about good.

01:22:14.989 --> 01:22:24.594
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just, again, Joe, thank you so much for taking the time to share a little bit about your personal history and your personal perspective on that.

01:22:24.654 --> 01:22:39.162
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think this is what one of the elements of what makes the Laura Hounds a cool community is that we can all come and bring something of ourselves in these different ways.

01:22:39.667 --> 01:22:54.780
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's why we like to talk about stories because we get to show up in different ways and go, oh yeah, I had this experience or I had that experience or this is what influences me or these are the kinds of things that I'm into because of who I am and how I grew up and all that kind of stuff.

01:22:54.800 --> 01:22:58.182
[SPEAKER_03]: So it is,

01:22:59.793 --> 01:23:01.875
[SPEAKER_03]: I just just glad that people get these opportunities.

01:23:01.915 --> 01:23:03.015
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's important to me.

01:23:03.035 --> 01:23:03.516
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

01:23:03.816 --> 01:23:04.756
[SPEAKER_03]: So let's take our final break.

01:23:04.777 --> 01:23:12.822
[SPEAKER_03]: And then we come back and we have a little bit of comics corner with our green lantern liaison officer, Connor M. We'll be right back.

01:23:22.598 --> 01:23:26.359
[SPEAKER_03]: and we're back with comics corner with Connor.

01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:38.803
[SPEAKER_03]: Connor, I think is also traveling right now, so I feel you, Connor, and I appreciate you spending some time to write an email and to record some audio to send into us.

01:23:38.843 --> 01:23:39.783
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not always easy.

01:23:41.827 --> 01:23:45.449
[SPEAKER_03]: So, he starts off with a little bit of general comments.

01:23:45.709 --> 01:23:48.570
[SPEAKER_03]: It's yet again a wonderful writing in.

01:23:48.650 --> 01:23:51.932
[SPEAKER_03]: The show continues to be an excellent time.

01:23:52.092 --> 01:23:55.193
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm super excited to see where it goes with these final two episodes.

01:23:55.353 --> 01:23:57.454
[SPEAKER_03]: So he wrote this in just before seven.

01:23:58.055 --> 01:24:03.777
[SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to try and be a bit more concise this week with my feedbacks in the episodes, and self was pretty cut and dry.

01:24:03.837 --> 01:24:07.879
[SPEAKER_03]: There are a few things that came up in the show that made me think of comic related things.

01:24:07.939 --> 01:24:09.340
[SPEAKER_03]: And I figured I'd bring them up this week.

01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:13.642
[SPEAKER_03]: And thanks again, then he says he should wrap up.

01:24:13.662 --> 01:24:15.263
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks again for all that you've been doing with this.

01:24:15.864 --> 01:24:22.010
[SPEAKER_03]: I eagerly anticipate the remainder of the show, but I have to admit the true highlight for me has been this part.

01:24:22.291 --> 01:24:23.232
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's amazing.

01:24:23.792 --> 01:24:25.354
[SPEAKER_03]: I truly deeply thank you.

01:24:26.034 --> 01:24:26.715
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for being here.

01:24:27.976 --> 01:24:33.122
[SPEAKER_03]: And we thank you, cause you've had a huge bit of a... Yeah, you've been amazing.

01:24:34.123 --> 01:24:39.966
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, like every week solid, like pages and pages of feedback, we can't read everything that he's sending in.

01:24:40.006 --> 01:24:40.867
[SPEAKER_03]: He's recording on it.

01:24:41.187 --> 01:24:44.429
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, you know, you get this opportunity to shine.

01:24:44.449 --> 01:24:45.129
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a honor.

01:24:45.249 --> 01:24:45.630
[SPEAKER_03]: It's great.

01:24:45.990 --> 01:24:46.370
[SPEAKER_03]: Really good.

01:24:47.499 --> 01:24:49.843
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to kick off with his first comment?

01:24:50.263 --> 01:24:54.009
[SPEAKER_05]: So episode six, Connor Wright said, Noah for president.

01:24:54.609 --> 01:24:56.252
[SPEAKER_05]: Noah immediately stood out to me.

01:24:56.792 --> 01:25:01.759
[SPEAKER_05]: Noah saying that he wants to run for Senate lines up perfectly with what was said earlier in the show.

01:25:02.200 --> 01:25:03.622
[SPEAKER_05]: That being the man hunters.

01:25:04.984 --> 01:25:11.274
[SPEAKER_05]: be that being that the man hunters don't want to be the leader, but positions of authority to influence leaders.

01:25:11.855 --> 01:25:14.540
[SPEAKER_05]: Notice how Noah said no to be in president.

01:25:15.040 --> 01:25:18.927
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm definitely suspicious of him even more so now.

01:25:21.722 --> 01:25:42.840
[SPEAKER_05]: and a lot of track for know the man hunter offspring there we go and then he also writes in about john as an architect john is an architect in the comics that was his original job later with the justice league animated show they made him military the modern era made him both

01:25:43.300 --> 01:25:45.181
[SPEAKER_05]: I went over this in a prior email.

01:25:45.622 --> 01:25:51.186
[SPEAKER_05]: I bring this up, though, because I love that they actually went all in on it with this last episode.

01:25:51.526 --> 01:25:57.350
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just nice seeing John's intelligence and creativity being included in such strong and beautiful ways.

01:25:58.351 --> 01:25:58.972
[SPEAKER_05]: Totally agree.

01:26:00.933 --> 01:26:06.357
[SPEAKER_03]: Alright, we've got a voicemail from him now, so let me get that cured up and here we go.

01:26:07.922 --> 01:26:15.826
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to take a second to talk about the Manhunter comic accuracy, originally the Guardians of the Universe wanted a way to police everything.

01:26:16.546 --> 01:26:19.348
[SPEAKER_02]: They saw the Manhunter's of Mars.

01:26:19.868 --> 01:26:24.810
[SPEAKER_02]: You would know when the last surviving Martians, Martian, Manhunter, John Jones.

01:26:26.091 --> 01:26:30.453
[SPEAKER_03]: And he comes from that same lineage of entities, the Manhunter's.

01:26:31.738 --> 01:26:39.062
[SPEAKER_02]: But the guardians, they saw how effective these man hunters were for policing Mars and they decided to create their own version of that.

01:26:39.822 --> 01:26:52.549
[SPEAKER_02]: They became the man hunters that we know today that version that the guardians created robots built by the guardians using the Martian mindset is the basis for their coding.

01:26:54.007 --> 01:27:05.303
[SPEAKER_02]: Eventually a rogue guardian known as Krona found an exploit and he wanted to prove that the exploit was a problem and that it should get fixed and so his solution was to exploit it.

01:27:06.242 --> 01:27:08.164
[SPEAKER_02]: and this caused their program to go haywire.

01:27:09.005 --> 01:27:24.262
[SPEAKER_02]: The resulting incident was the massacre of sector 666, which I'll come to in a second, but the way he did it was by taking their catchphrase, no man escapes the man hunters in making it their core programming.

01:27:25.128 --> 01:27:38.396
[SPEAKER_02]: This overwrote that Martian man hunter mindset, and it removed their ability to see right from wrong, resulting in them just seeing any type of free will as evil.

01:27:39.696 --> 01:27:41.857
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they have to take care of it.

01:27:42.358 --> 01:27:46.020
[SPEAKER_02]: They have to expunge it, they have to destroy it, they have to wipe it out, whatever.

01:27:47.765 --> 01:27:53.369
[SPEAKER_02]: The Guardians actually in the comics personally hunted down and destroyed all the manhunters, or so they thought.

01:27:53.989 --> 01:28:00.433
[SPEAKER_02]: Some escaped to areas of the known universe and others unknown areas of the universe.

01:28:01.394 --> 01:28:06.157
[SPEAKER_02]: And they hid in all very kinds of difficult, difficult to find places such as the planet by a.

01:28:07.302 --> 01:28:15.251
[SPEAKER_02]: other state transformed into alien forms or human forms and some situations to remain inconspicuous from the guardian.

01:28:15.732 --> 01:28:19.015
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been at pause that recording really quick because I don't want to forget to point.

01:28:19.856 --> 01:28:23.400
[SPEAKER_03]: I think this was brought up before and I had to be have some talk about some feedback about it.

01:28:24.401 --> 01:28:33.525
[SPEAKER_03]: is that when a man hunter trains horns, changes their shape, it's not just like a cloaking device that makes them look like something else.

01:28:33.865 --> 01:28:34.125
[SPEAKER_03]: No.

01:28:34.625 --> 01:28:41.268
[SPEAKER_03]: They physiologically change into the thing that they're mimicking.

01:28:42.088 --> 01:28:47.510
[SPEAKER_03]: And so in the answer to the Dungeon of the Doorags, guys, yes, a headshot from a

01:28:52.928 --> 01:28:58.835
[SPEAKER_03]: masquerading as a human because they are human being in that moment.

01:29:00.738 --> 01:29:01.098
[SPEAKER_03]: Correct?

01:29:01.739 --> 01:29:01.959
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

01:29:02.540 --> 01:29:02.760
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:29:03.281 --> 01:29:03.521
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

01:29:03.721 --> 01:29:05.163
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's pick up from the Guardians.

01:29:05.984 --> 01:29:07.366
[SPEAKER_02]: Which brings me to the Silver Age.

01:29:07.746 --> 01:29:10.229
[SPEAKER_02]: James Guns personal favorite age to reference.

01:29:11.299 --> 01:29:15.861
[SPEAKER_02]: Back in the Silver Age of Comics, Man Hunters did operate as we're seeing in the show.

01:29:16.221 --> 01:29:22.163
[SPEAKER_02]: They infiltrated disguised themselves and created cult followings, most notably the cult of the Man Hunter.

01:29:22.763 --> 01:29:24.324
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, really on the nose name.

01:29:25.407 --> 01:29:29.650
[SPEAKER_02]: but they did this so much that they would take over entire worlds by doing it.

01:29:30.511 --> 01:29:37.717
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, they would eventually get defeated by Green Lanterns when Green Lanterns found out, but it's interesting to see that this is the direction that the show's going with them.

01:29:38.137 --> 01:29:43.822
[SPEAKER_02]: A more classic take, a more silver age take, similar to the way the Superman movie treated the character of Superman.

01:29:44.562 --> 01:29:51.867
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if we're going to see the robotic form in the final episode or if we're going to have to just leave it up to our imagination.

01:29:52.547 --> 01:29:58.051
[SPEAKER_02]: I mentioned many times now that I believe Noah to be a manhunter the way that he's acting.

01:29:58.851 --> 01:30:08.838
[SPEAKER_02]: And so perhaps that's our opportunity or maybe we get a flashback to see Zoe turn into her human form or to see Zoe create Noah.

01:30:09.909 --> 01:30:22.294
[SPEAKER_02]: Moreover, I mentioned in some prior emails, as I mentioned earlier, even in this voice recording, the massacre of sector 666, which resulted in the creation of the five inversions, led by atrocities.

01:30:23.254 --> 01:30:31.257
[SPEAKER_02]: Since they've brought up a massacre on the show, I'm hoping we can see an actual glimpse of the massacre happening in the finale.

01:30:32.017 --> 01:30:35.739
[SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting to note having now seen episode seven

01:30:39.180 --> 01:30:43.602
[SPEAKER_02]: fear is prevalent throughout that massacre that was used.

01:30:43.642 --> 01:30:55.688
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm curious if there is some kind of repurposing, I'll say, of the atrocitous origin to create more of a celestial core origin.

01:30:56.108 --> 01:30:59.510
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the atrocitous sort of thing can come later down the line of that makes sense.

01:31:00.348 --> 01:31:08.951
[SPEAKER_02]: But regardless, the man hunters are actually very accurate to the comic right now and the way they're handling them specifically though the silver age of comics.

01:31:08.991 --> 01:31:13.533
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm happy to see so much silver age goodness getting embraced by the show.

01:31:15.813 --> 01:31:16.093
[SPEAKER_03]: Nice.

01:31:17.154 --> 01:31:20.575
[SPEAKER_03]: Alright, that's uh, what do you think about this silver age take?

01:31:22.248 --> 01:31:36.532
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I think I haven't read a lot of those comics, but I know that, but I do know that Gun is fond of those stories.

01:31:37.052 --> 01:31:37.392
[SPEAKER_05]: Gotcha.

01:31:37.752 --> 01:31:39.233
[SPEAKER_05]: So I can actually see,

01:31:41.093 --> 01:31:54.502
[SPEAKER_05]: that being the case that gun is shaping his DC more towards that kind of storytelling in a way from what Snyder did with his DC run.

01:31:55.342 --> 01:31:55.602
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

01:31:56.623 --> 01:31:59.505
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think of the interpretation that the

01:32:08.703 --> 01:32:09.143
[SPEAKER_03]: No, yes.

01:32:09.263 --> 01:32:09.944
[SPEAKER_03]: No, definitely.

01:32:09.984 --> 01:32:10.424
[SPEAKER_03]: Definitely.

01:32:11.104 --> 01:32:11.524
[SPEAKER_05]: Definitely.

01:32:12.465 --> 01:32:12.865
[SPEAKER_05]: Definitely.

01:32:13.225 --> 01:32:18.827
[SPEAKER_05]: But again, this is what I'm saying is that I think that the show is doing this purpose food.

01:32:19.588 --> 01:32:20.188
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh-huh.

01:32:20.308 --> 01:32:20.848
[SPEAKER_05]: They're not.

01:32:22.269 --> 01:32:31.713
[SPEAKER_05]: They're downplaying the manhunter's physical, you know, overpowering cells.

01:32:32.253 --> 01:32:32.473
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

01:32:36.658 --> 01:32:47.781
[SPEAKER_05]: infiltration, you know, spy, you know, things of that nature, an intellectual approach as opposed to something physical.

01:32:49.502 --> 01:32:55.784
[SPEAKER_05]: And we see that in episode 7 when we learned how Anton's people were

01:33:03.485 --> 01:33:05.386
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it wasn't in Nuke it for more.

01:33:05.446 --> 01:33:06.626
[SPEAKER_03]: It was more of it.

01:33:07.147 --> 01:33:09.528
[SPEAKER_05]: It was something insidious and gas.

01:33:10.668 --> 01:33:11.028
[SPEAKER_05]: Definitely.

01:33:11.048 --> 01:33:14.450
[SPEAKER_03]: But how long did it take to, to exactly to set that up?

01:33:14.850 --> 01:33:18.651
[SPEAKER_03]: Set that up and get the gas there and set it up in the system.

01:33:18.671 --> 01:33:20.352
[SPEAKER_03]: So that affected everybody.

01:33:20.692 --> 01:33:23.393
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that takes a lot of planning.

01:33:23.473 --> 01:33:27.475
[SPEAKER_05]: A lot of patients, a lot of, you know, beguiling.

01:33:28.075 --> 01:33:28.295
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.

01:33:29.016 --> 01:33:30.676
[SPEAKER_05]: To put those pieces into place.

01:33:34.670 --> 01:33:34.890
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.

01:33:35.331 --> 01:33:49.823
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think when we go over to Dungeon do right, we're going to have a conversation with Ron, because he's like, he's stuck on the fact that the man under is supposed to be like, you know, I'm a man like, you know, ultra on like things.

01:33:49.843 --> 01:33:49.983
[SPEAKER_03]: So.

01:33:54.060 --> 01:33:54.960
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, a cool.

01:33:55.000 --> 01:33:56.221
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Connor, for those.

01:33:57.061 --> 01:34:00.023
[SPEAKER_03]: Got some comments about Carol and Guy Garnell.

01:34:00.043 --> 01:34:00.643
[SPEAKER_03]: We got some time.

01:34:00.663 --> 01:34:02.004
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to get into this?

01:34:02.024 --> 01:34:05.145
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, let's just talk about Tom Carroll really quickly.

01:34:05.505 --> 01:34:06.125
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

01:34:06.766 --> 01:34:08.286
[SPEAKER_05]: So, Connor starts.

01:34:08.346 --> 01:34:15.690
[SPEAKER_05]: I want to start by saying, Carol, because the integral is as integral to Green Lantern as Alan Scott, the first Green Lantern.

01:34:16.450 --> 01:34:17.892
[SPEAKER_05]: um, how Jordan and John Stewart.

01:34:18.473 --> 01:34:22.839
[SPEAKER_05]: Carol appeared all the way back and house first comic showcase number 22.

01:34:23.580 --> 01:34:27.145
[SPEAKER_05]: Carol was originally house on and off girlfriend love interest.

01:34:27.726 --> 01:34:32.332
[SPEAKER_05]: She was eventually possessed by an entity known as the Star-Sat Sapphire.

01:34:33.073 --> 01:34:35.614
[SPEAKER_05]: This entity is fueled by the power of love.

01:34:36.194 --> 01:34:39.755
[SPEAKER_05]: She becomes a recurring antagonist due to this possession.

01:34:40.375 --> 01:34:48.598
[SPEAKER_05]: Carol and her frequently break up because she struggles with understanding the life of a superhero and she hates the possession stuff.

01:34:51.615 --> 01:35:08.856
[SPEAKER_05]: uh that's true um later on during Jeff John's era he had the Zamorin and all female offshoot of the goddess create rings to harness the power of love this creates the stars af via court or violet lanterns

01:35:09.517 --> 01:35:13.119
[SPEAKER_05]: Carol is once again brought into this and forced into this life.

01:35:13.799 --> 01:35:19.842
[SPEAKER_05]: Carol has been the queen of the Zamorans leader, the violet corpse, and just your average business leader.

01:35:19.902 --> 01:35:28.565
[SPEAKER_05]: She is a remarkable woman and continues to come up and green lantern adjacent comics.

01:35:29.306 --> 01:35:33.527
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so then kind of writes about Guy Gardner.

01:35:34.248 --> 01:35:36.369
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no, but there's something here I want to do.

01:35:41.282 --> 01:35:49.169
[SPEAKER_03]: It's more than this more than the previous paragraph, but you know, I don't know personally, personally, I'm just happy we got in appearance.

01:35:49.889 --> 01:35:52.672
[SPEAKER_05]: The show would have felt incomplete without her.

01:35:54.328 --> 01:36:00.530
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I know some of the guys are complaining about Carol and not having Carol's context added or whatever.

01:36:00.570 --> 01:36:03.471
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's interesting that for some people.

01:36:03.511 --> 01:36:06.672
[SPEAKER_05]: But people in the know, yeah, yeah.

01:36:07.112 --> 01:36:09.273
[SPEAKER_03]: And it didn't take anything away from me.

01:36:10.794 --> 01:36:19.017
[SPEAKER_03]: I picked up well enough that she was a prior-loving trust delivering the paper and she was the third person as a funeral, right?

01:36:19.297 --> 01:36:20.357
[SPEAKER_03]: So that works for me.

01:36:21.426 --> 01:36:35.313
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and I think, you know, if people didn't know who Carol Ferris was, then like you said, you couldn't infer that there was a relationship between her and how prior to how funeral.

01:36:36.134 --> 01:36:41.897
[SPEAKER_05]: But again, I get why people would say, who is this?

01:36:42.017 --> 01:36:44.418
[SPEAKER_05]: And why don't we know more about her?

01:36:44.818 --> 01:36:45.919
[SPEAKER_05]: I can understand that as well.

01:36:46.439 --> 01:36:46.659
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

01:36:46.999 --> 01:36:48.240
[SPEAKER_03]: But you don't need to have no money.

01:36:53.815 --> 01:36:54.956
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

01:36:54.976 --> 01:36:59.720
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see if we get more of Carol or not in the final season 2 season 2.

01:37:00.080 --> 01:37:00.500
[SPEAKER_03]: There we go.

01:37:00.540 --> 01:37:01.201
[SPEAKER_03]: Come on, season 2.

01:37:01.221 --> 01:37:03.163
[SPEAKER_03]: Come on, come on.

01:37:03.243 --> 01:37:03.683
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.

01:37:03.983 --> 01:37:04.664
[SPEAKER_05]: So Gagga.

01:37:04.684 --> 01:37:06.185
[SPEAKER_05]: Conor right soon about Gagga and her.

01:37:06.605 --> 01:37:09.127
[SPEAKER_05]: Gagga and her is Earth's second green lantern.

01:37:09.748 --> 01:37:10.549
[SPEAKER_05]: Guy's an asshole.

01:37:10.749 --> 01:37:11.769
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's just stop there.

01:37:14.597 --> 01:37:15.458
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what Carter wrote.

01:37:15.478 --> 01:37:16.358
[SPEAKER_03]: Does that with Johnson?

01:37:16.438 --> 01:37:17.639
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you agree with that.

01:37:17.659 --> 01:37:18.279
[SPEAKER_03]: It's such a hint.

01:37:18.339 --> 01:37:19.159
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, I agree with it.

01:37:19.660 --> 01:37:19.900
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

01:37:19.940 --> 01:37:20.500
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.

01:37:21.160 --> 01:37:24.062
[SPEAKER_05]: But no one should ever be questioning why guy is a hero.

01:37:24.702 --> 01:37:28.604
[SPEAKER_05]: Guy might be the most insufferable, unbearable, ridiculous household.

01:37:28.624 --> 01:37:34.067
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but ever seen but he has a heart of goal and endless willpower behind it.

01:37:35.448 --> 01:37:35.908
[SPEAKER_05]: He's right.

01:37:37.269 --> 01:37:37.689
[SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.

01:37:38.609 --> 01:37:39.410
[SPEAKER_05]: I still don't like him.

01:37:42.816 --> 01:37:48.501
[SPEAKER_05]: Guy was originally created as a gym teacher or athletic director, and he was pretty normal.

01:37:49.122 --> 01:37:58.410
[SPEAKER_05]: Created by John Brum and Gil Kayne, he became the backup being lantern for a period of time, and Gil Kayne was the primary one when they wanted to spice things up.

01:37:58.967 --> 01:38:04.111
[SPEAKER_05]: However, he eventually Steve Inglohart and Joe Stanton got a hold of him in the 80s.

01:38:04.651 --> 01:38:05.752
[SPEAKER_05]: Dischanged everything.

01:38:06.393 --> 01:38:10.996
[SPEAKER_05]: The guy that we know today and we see in this show comes from them changing him.

01:38:11.637 --> 01:38:19.283
[SPEAKER_05]: Guy became significantly more interesting for people to read because he was a parody of the American Metro Man's stereotype.

01:38:19.883 --> 01:38:22.585
[SPEAKER_05]: However, he was always able to back it up.

01:38:28.862 --> 01:38:56.975
[SPEAKER_05]: And I want to say to that, he goes and gets the right, yep, right, he goes and gets the right and in Superman, the movie from last year, he goes, he's very much there's a apart point in the Superman movie where another country is being invaded, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah

01:38:58.988 --> 01:39:08.296
[SPEAKER_05]: the justice gang officially is not supposed to operate outside of United States territories.

01:39:09.697 --> 01:39:09.957
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

01:39:10.558 --> 01:39:15.362
[SPEAKER_05]: Guy at the behest of Superman, right?

01:39:15.922 --> 01:39:18.405
[SPEAKER_05]: Telling them this tragedy is about to happen.

01:39:18.445 --> 01:39:20.867
[SPEAKER_05]: People are about to get wiped off, wiped out.

01:39:22.308 --> 01:39:23.189
[SPEAKER_05]: He does go and help.

01:39:25.931 --> 01:39:27.012
[SPEAKER_05]: He does do the right thing.

01:39:28.522 --> 01:39:37.328
[SPEAKER_05]: So you see those two instances with guy on screen where yes, he's insufferable.

01:39:37.508 --> 01:39:38.529
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, he's an asshole.

01:39:39.029 --> 01:39:53.118
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, he's a jerk But when presented with doing something good just because it's good He doesn't waver and not doing that thing.

01:39:53.398 --> 01:39:54.299
[SPEAKER_05]: He goes and doesn't

01:39:55.757 --> 01:40:00.280
[SPEAKER_05]: So, that's an important thing that Connor pointed out.

01:40:00.641 --> 01:40:08.046
[SPEAKER_03]: It makes me think about this idea of you need to be fearless.

01:40:10.948 --> 01:40:15.471
[SPEAKER_03]: But how do we know that fearless is righteous?

01:40:16.532 --> 01:40:19.474
[SPEAKER_03]: If that's a way that I can say it, that there is a,

01:40:20.993 --> 01:40:40.003
[SPEAKER_03]: a moral center to the person that there's a ethical value, weashing that people are making ethical and moral choices, that promote the well-being of others in an equitable fashion.

01:40:40.103 --> 01:40:43.065
[SPEAKER_03]: So just because you are fearless, does that mean you're

01:40:45.458 --> 01:40:47.519
[SPEAKER_03]: Righteous, I'm using it in a smaller.

01:40:47.639 --> 01:40:51.001
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, big arsenal, I don't know, just, but that you have some sort of moral center.

01:40:52.581 --> 01:40:54.662
[SPEAKER_03]: He does, he does underneath me.

01:40:54.722 --> 01:41:05.487
[SPEAKER_03]: No, but I'm not saying that he does or doesn't, I'm just saying like, when the ring chooses somebody who's fearless, does, what if you're fearless and an asshole and choose the wrong thing, right?

01:41:05.607 --> 01:41:07.068
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, how does that work?

01:41:08.489 --> 01:41:13.071
[SPEAKER_05]: And we still, we don't know if the ring chose,

01:41:14.520 --> 01:41:22.748
[SPEAKER_05]: in this universe, if the ring shows guy, or if he was chosen, that's why others entities.

01:41:23.568 --> 01:41:28.253
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, because there's a whole bunch of comic lore stuff around how ring gets chosen, right?

01:41:28.273 --> 01:41:29.814
[SPEAKER_03]: And how molded does that?

01:41:29.854 --> 01:41:30.094
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

01:41:30.234 --> 01:41:30.875
[SPEAKER_03]: That kind of stuff.

01:41:30.895 --> 01:41:31.035
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

01:41:32.096 --> 01:41:34.078
[SPEAKER_05]: Because he doesn't have house, right?

01:41:36.102 --> 01:41:42.567
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, and he clearly says that Hal's ring, Hal's ring was decommissioned.

01:41:43.287 --> 01:41:43.527
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

01:41:44.408 --> 01:41:46.710
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's a guy to give his regards.

01:41:47.130 --> 01:41:48.291
[SPEAKER_05]: They gave him a ring.

01:41:49.011 --> 01:41:49.252
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

01:41:49.292 --> 01:41:50.432
[SPEAKER_05]: The ring didn't choose him.

01:41:51.153 --> 01:41:52.174
[SPEAKER_03]: They gave him a ring.

01:41:53.254 --> 01:41:53.755
[SPEAKER_03]: Interesting.

01:41:55.085 --> 01:42:00.709
[SPEAKER_03]: So it was Leanna down there, fucking around with some other stuff and keep in track at like, how did they think you're him out?

01:42:01.250 --> 01:42:03.692
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's a good question, questions, questions.

01:42:04.552 --> 01:42:07.575
[SPEAKER_05]: Season two, season two, no music, oh, the stage.

01:42:07.895 --> 01:42:09.216
[SPEAKER_05]: We got this of consequences.

01:42:09.676 --> 01:42:10.897
[SPEAKER_05]: This is why people love him.

01:42:11.278 --> 01:42:14.180
[SPEAKER_05]: All right, later, I think that's all of, what's that?

01:42:15.243 --> 01:42:17.706
[SPEAKER_05]: No, it's a season two season two, we'll find out in season two.

01:42:17.746 --> 01:42:18.487
[SPEAKER_05]: Season two.

01:42:19.027 --> 01:42:19.588
[SPEAKER_05]: You're growing.

01:42:20.069 --> 01:42:21.730
[SPEAKER_05]: I think I started reading again.

01:42:22.011 --> 01:42:24.093
[SPEAKER_05]: Marco, all of this, but I started reading again.

01:42:24.113 --> 01:42:25.535
[SPEAKER_05]: And then I heard you say, all right, cool.

01:42:26.968 --> 01:42:28.929
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, I'm not going to even market this.

01:42:28.969 --> 01:42:31.509
[SPEAKER_03]: We're just going to let it go out rock because I can't I'm traveling.

01:42:31.549 --> 01:42:32.450
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's hard to end.

01:42:32.570 --> 01:42:33.330
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's it.

01:42:34.050 --> 01:42:35.570
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so we're just going to keep rolling.

01:42:35.771 --> 01:42:37.931
[SPEAKER_03]: Y'all can see how some of this sausage is made.

01:42:37.951 --> 01:42:55.256
[SPEAKER_05]: All right, let me let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just let me just

01:42:55.536 --> 01:43:05.118
[SPEAKER_05]: Guy has some love interest, most notably ice, Torah, he is so much more calm, he is so to be much more calm around her.

01:43:05.918 --> 01:43:09.179
[SPEAKER_05]: Most notably losing the dicky side of him.

01:43:11.740 --> 01:43:14.140
[SPEAKER_05]: And becoming more of a goofball.

01:43:14.520 --> 01:43:20.082
[SPEAKER_05]: When Guy is written at his best, he will be a goofball jerk who complains

01:43:26.424 --> 01:43:32.387
[SPEAKER_05]: A great example is the end of the Superman 2025 movie, which I just talked about.

01:43:34.108 --> 01:43:44.974
[SPEAKER_05]: So again, Guy is a beloved character in the Green Lantern mythos, excuse me, and we have to say that.

01:43:46.783 --> 01:43:55.150
[SPEAKER_05]: He typically works best as a supporting character with other green lanterns or Justice League members.

01:43:56.331 --> 01:44:05.039
[SPEAKER_05]: So I think Connor is saying, we will not get a guy, gardener, stand alone, series or moving.

01:44:05.459 --> 01:44:09.983
[SPEAKER_05]: It won't be a guy, it won't be a guy, but we probably will get a John Stuart movie.

01:44:10.304 --> 01:44:10.884
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just saying.

01:44:12.292 --> 01:44:38.262
[SPEAKER_03]: we need to make his air pierce a star that no matter what you think about this uh... the season like uh... you know you don't need to act me twice uh... here is a star uh... i had to that i got an article you might you might be to play the audio clip i got the audio clip i know you do not surprise you they're ready where to go where to go

01:44:40.993 --> 01:44:41.913
[SPEAKER_05]: That's me if I'm afraid.

01:44:43.314 --> 01:44:43.614
[SPEAKER_05]: Why?

01:44:44.374 --> 01:44:45.795
[SPEAKER_05]: I said, ask me if I'm afraid.

01:44:45.815 --> 01:44:47.816
[SPEAKER_05]: You are afraid.

01:44:48.676 --> 01:44:49.196
[SPEAKER_05]: Follow up.

01:44:50.537 --> 01:44:57.199
[SPEAKER_03]: I need to have like a greatest clips reel, like... And our children are best eyes.

01:44:58.240 --> 01:45:00.060
[SPEAKER_03]: From Elsa Dragon, some of those other things.

01:45:01.101 --> 01:45:02.421
[SPEAKER_03]: David's favorite clips from me.

01:45:02.441 --> 01:45:02.981
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:45:03.061 --> 01:45:04.322
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm being alright.

01:45:06.076 --> 01:45:06.336
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.

01:45:06.416 --> 01:45:06.656
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

01:45:06.676 --> 01:45:12.560
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think that's all the feedback we've got to do again to everyone for writing in.

01:45:12.980 --> 01:45:20.345
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for sharing your thoughts and ideas with us and apologies if I didn't get everybody's things.

01:45:20.385 --> 01:45:25.708
[SPEAKER_03]: There was like a ton of stuff on that both on the discord and the Patreon that I get into our mainline stuff.

01:45:26.885 --> 01:45:33.889
[SPEAKER_03]: and email is the best way comic spurses at thelorhounds.com, links are always in the show notes for those kinds of things.

01:45:35.570 --> 01:45:38.532
[SPEAKER_03]: Jean, what else is going on with you?

01:45:38.552 --> 01:45:39.933
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys got visioned questions, please.

01:45:39.993 --> 01:45:44.635
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, visioned questions about to start on the 14th, where we're quoted in the 15th.

01:45:44.675 --> 01:45:48.858
[SPEAKER_03]: I've had a run on my man, you went from, how's the dragon?

01:45:49.779 --> 01:45:53.182
[SPEAKER_03]: to lanterns, to vision, it's quite a vision question.

01:45:53.603 --> 01:45:54.664
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

01:45:54.704 --> 01:46:02.011
[SPEAKER_05]: So Alicia and I were recording, Alicia and I were recording on the 15th, everything stays normal.

01:46:02.031 --> 01:46:02.812
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what we'll do.

01:46:02.932 --> 01:46:03.492
[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah.

01:46:04.295 --> 01:46:12.979
[SPEAKER_05]: It's going to be a wild ride because the slas trailer is the one that got me super excited for the show.

01:46:13.119 --> 01:46:15.400
[SPEAKER_05]: So we'll see what they do with it.

01:46:15.500 --> 01:46:20.262
[SPEAKER_05]: We've just talked about his God is doing one shot about that.

01:46:20.362 --> 01:46:24.124
[SPEAKER_05]: So we're going to about that movie, which is on my top.

01:46:24.924 --> 01:46:30.788
[SPEAKER_05]: 10 viewings of the year, regardless of medium, TV or big screen.

01:46:31.809 --> 01:46:34.230
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, we got some things coming up.

01:46:35.431 --> 01:46:36.672
[SPEAKER_03]: So we froze a little bit.

01:46:36.712 --> 01:46:39.934
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm probably not going to ask this out because I just got to get this thing cooked.

01:46:39.994 --> 01:46:41.795
[SPEAKER_03]: What was the movie that was your top 10 was that?

01:46:41.855 --> 01:46:42.515
[SPEAKER_03]: It's got it.

01:46:42.655 --> 01:46:43.336
[SPEAKER_03]: It's got it.

01:46:43.516 --> 01:46:45.637
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we were talking about that.

01:46:47.258 --> 01:46:50.160
[SPEAKER_05]: So that will happen soon sooner rather than later.

01:46:50.781 --> 01:46:52.802
[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, so we got things cooking up.

01:46:54.248 --> 01:46:54.488
[SPEAKER_03]: Sweet.

01:46:55.189 --> 01:46:55.549
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

01:46:56.809 --> 01:47:02.232
[SPEAKER_03]: We, and then we're going to be on, uh, we have to figure out engines in two rags, conferences.

01:47:02.252 --> 01:47:02.412
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

01:47:02.632 --> 01:47:06.294
[SPEAKER_03]: And then we've got rings of power, uh, starting up as well.

01:47:06.354 --> 01:47:06.935
[SPEAKER_03]: That's coming up.

01:47:07.675 --> 01:47:10.897
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01:47:27.383 --> 01:47:28.944
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01:47:29.944 --> 01:47:41.128
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01:47:42.224 --> 01:47:52.554
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01:47:53.054 --> 01:48:07.687
[SPEAKER_03]: Quick programming note, because I am traveling, I'll be on the west coast when the episode drops, I'll be coming back in the middle of the week, and so John and I were, we got to figure out, we may be slightly delayed for our actual episode 8 recording.

01:48:08.808 --> 01:48:12.229
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're on the discord, I'll try to post a message to let folks know what to put that.

01:48:12.809 --> 01:48:21.031
[SPEAKER_03]: And then week after that, we should be planning a wrap-up pod with Alicia, so it'll be you and Alicia.

01:48:21.071 --> 01:48:22.932
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll get the gang back together.

01:48:22.952 --> 01:48:24.472
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