WEBVTT 00:00.311 --> 00:03.175 [SPEAKER_00]: If I were a kid, Googling, how do I find a covenant? 00:03.215 --> 00:04.497 [SPEAKER_00]: Could I find Coven's near me? 00:04.917 --> 00:11.126 [SPEAKER_00]: And I found a website that has Coven's for basically everywhere in the US, and you can select it by state. 00:12.213 --> 00:14.154 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to another Mama Bear Movie Minute. 00:14.434 --> 00:19.757 [SPEAKER_00]: And the Movie Minute is not where we endorse movies or shows or we recommend taking your families to see them. 00:19.837 --> 00:24.840 [SPEAKER_00]: But rather, we take what culture is already producing or maybe classics that has produced in the past. 00:25.241 --> 00:25.861 [SPEAKER_00]: And we discuss it. 00:26.421 --> 00:30.383 [SPEAKER_00]: We discuss what potential insights we got, maybe whether some concerning issues. 00:30.784 --> 00:34.126 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we have suggestions for conversational invitations that you can have with your kids. 00:34.746 --> 00:39.549 [SPEAKER_00]: This week's Mama Bear Movie Minute is Disney's new show, Coven Academy. 00:40.209 --> 00:44.630 [SPEAKER_00]: So Alexa won't you take it away and tell us what Kevin Academy is about. 00:45.977 --> 00:46.557 [SPEAKER_01]: Okidouk's. 00:47.098 --> 00:56.702 [SPEAKER_01]: Coven Academy is a Disney TV series about a teenage witch named Breyer, who discovers she is a witch when she is sent to a school that trains up witches and warlocks. 00:57.342 --> 01:00.084 [SPEAKER_01]: Miss Graves, the headmistress, assigns her a Coven. 01:00.564 --> 01:07.427 [SPEAKER_01]: Now in this show, a Coven is a group of three witches who work together and bond with one another, which helps strengthen their magic. 01:07.947 --> 01:13.110 [SPEAKER_01]: Breyer's mom had recently died and she and her Coven set out to solve her mother's murder. 01:14.090 --> 01:25.257 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, what would a supernatural teeny-bopper TV show be without the essential love triangle where the main character has to choose between a hot dangerous vampire and a cutie-patuity warlock? 01:26.238 --> 01:27.239 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry for that spoiler. 01:27.299 --> 01:29.100 [SPEAKER_00]: I know you would never have seen that coming. 01:30.141 --> 01:36.785 [SPEAKER_01]: Unquestionably, head Papa Bear John Ferrer's astute analysis of covenant academy could not be better articulated. 01:37.305 --> 01:40.668 [SPEAKER_01]: If Twilight and Hogwarts had a wicked baby, it might be this show. 01:42.958 --> 01:45.480 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he was also calling it the team move version. 01:45.520 --> 01:47.842 [SPEAKER_00]: So we decided it's team new Harry Potter twilight. 01:47.862 --> 01:51.005 [SPEAKER_00]: That all like I agree with you. 01:51.045 --> 01:52.687 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, those lines, not quite as good though. 01:53.127 --> 01:53.327 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:54.148 --> 01:54.508 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 01:54.549 --> 01:55.850 [SPEAKER_00]: So does everybody have their props? 01:56.170 --> 01:57.651 [SPEAKER_00]: One, two, three, go. 01:59.133 --> 02:00.013 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, mine's not working. 02:00.174 --> 02:04.437 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to take off my wedding ring and put on the ring for my friend. 02:05.670 --> 02:20.673 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so what this is, so this ring for my friend is basically like in this, in the show, if you did notice, it's basically like they, they're the covening ceremony that they have is basically a wedding ceremony. 02:20.773 --> 02:23.833 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like you legit are getting married to two other girls. 02:24.254 --> 02:31.455 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, complete with vows and veils and all the things, it's like this is really attractive to girls who want to have, you know, besties for life. 02:32.415 --> 02:36.558 [SPEAKER_00]: kind of thing, but it really is, it really is like a wedding to these two other girls. 02:36.638 --> 02:43.442 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's my, even the rope, they put a rope over their arms, isn't that very similar to Jewish. 02:43.482 --> 02:47.885 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's something you do in Jewish ceremonies where you tie them, you kind of bind them together like that. 02:48.826 --> 02:49.266 [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting. 02:49.927 --> 02:50.107 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 02:51.227 --> 02:56.628 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so this is going to date me and it's kind of, it is one of you from coming Queen. 02:56.768 --> 03:01.389 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm from, you were from D8. 03:01.609 --> 03:04.710 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I'm doing now. 03:04.890 --> 03:05.550 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm 98. 03:06.330 --> 03:13.792 [SPEAKER_02]: So yes, I am dating myself and I'm also outing that I have, I couldn't find my t-shirt, I couldn't find my anything else. 03:14.152 --> 03:15.052 [SPEAKER_02]: This is what I found. 03:15.092 --> 03:19.553 [SPEAKER_02]: So prom court, class of 98, although actually they'd be technically class of 99, 03:21.713 --> 03:37.842 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and all we need to tell everybody that this is important because there's like this big event that happened in 1998 so basically you could be Breyer's mom And I could be Breyer's mom and let me just tell you the tifty Amber Thieson is actually way seven years older than me. 03:38.022 --> 03:38.442 [SPEAKER_02]: I asked 03:39.382 --> 03:45.664 [SPEAKER_02]: I asked Google so she's actually older than me because I loved her as Kelly Capowski She plays the teacher. 03:45.684 --> 04:06.550 [SPEAKER_02]: She's I honestly she made the show I enjoyed the show more because of her although I said that she was in it But I love her so anyway class in 98 forever now you know how old I am so yeah, I thought in this this here whole thing reminds me of a carry right there Well it it was pretty awesome and it works so what's yours? 04:07.110 --> 04:11.412 [SPEAKER_01]: Mine is a bell, Ania, already gave it away. 04:11.712 --> 04:12.893 [SPEAKER_01]: Save by the bell. 04:12.913 --> 04:16.535 [SPEAKER_01]: I love to Kelly Capowski. 04:16.955 --> 04:20.197 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, though, up until I watch, they might be... 04:21.113 --> 04:23.794 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, I let it run the hands to the hair while you do it. 04:24.054 --> 04:26.895 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she was so cool. 04:27.295 --> 04:37.660 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, when I was little, all my dolls were named Sarah and then I watched say by the bell and then all my dolls were always named Kelly for like the rest of my life after that. 04:37.780 --> 04:38.580 [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to be her. 04:38.640 --> 04:39.100 [SPEAKER_01]: I love her. 04:39.120 --> 04:43.502 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, again, yes, I agree with Ania said she was in the show in that role. 04:43.522 --> 04:44.842 [SPEAKER_01]: She's I'm sorry. 04:44.923 --> 04:48.084 [SPEAKER_00]: She's not a great actress either, but I still just love her. 04:48.764 --> 04:50.826 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's talk about some of the insights, man. 04:50.906 --> 04:58.891 [SPEAKER_00]: We have so many that are going on first off, so there really is a lot of crossover from Harry Potter and Twilight. 04:58.911 --> 05:02.934 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, Twilight, you've got the whole vampire thing. 05:03.054 --> 05:09.439 [SPEAKER_00]: And can we say, like, could they have not named the the guy who basically, I mean, it really is the vampire and Jake? 05:09.939 --> 05:13.021 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's like, could you have not a shot of another name? 05:14.421 --> 05:19.164 [SPEAKER_00]: And they, so they had a bunch of things that were, let's talk about some of the things that were real in this. 05:19.204 --> 05:24.706 [SPEAKER_00]: So number one, they're talking about lay lines and I know that that's something I did not, did they might have got to do a deep dive on lay lines? 05:24.746 --> 05:25.547 [SPEAKER_00]: I did a mini-day. 05:26.227 --> 05:31.953 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, it tells what you found out about Larry, this is what I found out about the laylines. 05:32.653 --> 05:39.660 [SPEAKER_02]: The idea draws on real world mystical beliefs about invisible energy paths connecting significant places. 05:39.740 --> 05:43.144 [SPEAKER_02]: The original layline theory proposed by Alfred Watkins in 1921. 05:44.965 --> 05:49.889 [SPEAKER_02]: Constant alignments of ancient sites, the magical energy interpretation developed later. 05:50.450 --> 05:57.275 [SPEAKER_02]: These energy currents are a spiritual belief in fantasy device rather than scientifically established as a phenomenon. 05:57.576 --> 06:01.559 [SPEAKER_02]: This came from a university of the arts London. 06:03.340 --> 06:05.582 [SPEAKER_02]: It was actually a scholarly journal that this came from. 06:07.372 --> 06:22.728 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so one of the things I really appreciated in this show and so even though we had some real stuff like one of the real things that was not in there is none of the spells are real like they all sound like something number one that either sound like their friend doctor suits. 06:23.289 --> 06:26.793 [SPEAKER_00]: or number two when they start doing the dark magic in Latin. 06:27.293 --> 06:35.661 [SPEAKER_00]: It's basically saying what exactly you're doing, but one of the funniest things was so John was watching this with me and every time they had a Latin, dark magic spell he looked it up. 06:36.241 --> 06:45.650 [SPEAKER_00]: In one of them, I'm assuming that the writers are probably a writer's assistant accidentally forgot to take out the phrase in Latin. 06:46.431 --> 06:49.994 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like said, you know, blah, blah, blah in Latin. 06:50.114 --> 06:51.535 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that made it into the show. 06:52.116 --> 06:53.137 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's hilarious. 06:54.958 --> 07:07.463 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't try all hard to do like real research on it, and I have to actually appreciate that so that we know when kids are like, if they want to try to like mimic this, they're not saying stuff that actually exist is basically Dr. Souser Ben Latin. 07:07.723 --> 07:14.046 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I will say though, I was Googling a little bit to see like what kind of spells like if a kid gets on. 07:14.946 --> 07:17.707 [SPEAKER_01]: to Google and wants to see, like, how do I do a spell? 07:18.287 --> 07:20.248 [SPEAKER_01]: They are kind of cheesy. 07:20.268 --> 07:21.649 [SPEAKER_01]: They're cheesy little poems. 07:21.789 --> 07:22.729 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure of that. 07:23.129 --> 07:35.174 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure that you can get deeper into it and get more, um, I don't know, authentic kinds of festivals, but what I pulled up here. 07:35.234 --> 07:41.016 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like, I mean, they're a little more, like, divine mother, 07:44.677 --> 07:46.798 [SPEAKER_01]: Huh, maybe they are more real. 07:46.838 --> 07:48.458 [SPEAKER_00]: I just assumed that they were so cheesy. 07:48.478 --> 07:49.718 [SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't possibly be real. 07:49.758 --> 07:51.019 [SPEAKER_00]: I used to wear that so too. 07:51.699 --> 07:52.799 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought so too. 07:52.819 --> 07:54.919 [SPEAKER_00]: So I looked up like, what is someone going to find? 07:55.380 --> 07:59.561 [SPEAKER_00]: So I did something very similar, although then this is what y'all saw me looking at. 07:59.741 --> 08:03.922 [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to know if I were a kid, Googling, how do I find a covenant? 08:03.962 --> 08:09.263 [SPEAKER_00]: Could I find Coven's near me and I found a website that has Coven's for basically everywhere. 08:10.023 --> 08:30.701 [SPEAKER_00]: in the U.S. and you can select it by state and I was looking at basically all the commons in my state and it has stuff like it's it's a very wide range but this one was the one the one that like sounded the most legit is honestly the most concerning because it's an official 501c3 charitable organization it says sister come into the covenant of the blessed lady 08:37.006 --> 08:38.428 [SPEAKER_00]: and enjoy teaching the young. 08:38.769 --> 08:43.335 [SPEAKER_00]: We believe only through teaching the next generation will our religion and traditions carry forth. 08:43.796 --> 08:47.160 [SPEAKER_00]: We're also Coven who take diversity, inclusion, and equity to heart. 08:47.701 --> 08:49.183 [SPEAKER_00]: In our Coven, everyone has a voice. 08:49.203 --> 08:51.386 [SPEAKER_00]: And here's where this is where they make their pitch. 08:51.426 --> 08:52.187 [SPEAKER_00]: Come join their Coven. 08:52.928 --> 09:19.409 [SPEAKER_00]: looking for a closer walk with the divine need to take control of your life in destiny want to make a difference in the community tired of the solitary path and want to experience a covenant family we welcome anyone interested in learning the old religion to contact us today so I mean this is a family friendly teaching the young I mean this could be something off of a church's website practically when you're when you're looking at it and it really goes to show 09:20.390 --> 09:41.408 [SPEAKER_00]: that I think witchcraft is like people are witchcraft is becoming such a big thing and we need to look at how witchcraft is permeating the church and I think that this kind of this and the show really encapsulated in the sense that need to take control of your life and your destiny, both the witchcraft that's out there and the witchcraft that's being termed in phrases like prayer. 09:42.068 --> 09:52.636 [SPEAKER_00]: and stuff like that is all about taking control as people who feel like they're out of control and they need to have some kind of control like this would be the declarations that you have people doing in prayer. 09:52.716 --> 10:02.983 [SPEAKER_00]: I declare that blah blah blah is going to happen and if I you know believe it hard enough you know I say I have enough faith in God basically has to I mean it's essentially trying to control what God will and won't do. 10:03.003 --> 10:04.264 [SPEAKER_00]: This this 10:04.804 --> 10:15.955 [SPEAKER_00]: aspect of wanting to control with what we say and what we do instead of giving God control, that itself is not, it's not witchcraft, it's the spirit of witchcraft. 10:16.135 --> 10:23.883 [SPEAKER_00]: And that is something that I think we all, mama bears, papa bears, everybody needs to be aware of what that spirit looks like. 10:23.943 --> 10:27.586 [SPEAKER_00]: So they can tell not only where it's out in the world, but also where it's sneaking into the 10:29.022 --> 10:32.126 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've noticed that connection to the language. 10:32.186 --> 10:39.274 [SPEAKER_01]: I see a lot when I'm researching which which craft which talk all that stuff. 10:39.734 --> 10:42.097 [SPEAKER_01]: Which talk yeah and which is a Instagram. 10:43.659 --> 10:47.163 [SPEAKER_01]: So they talk about putting up their intentions into the world. 10:47.183 --> 10:48.745 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's what spellcasting is. 10:48.845 --> 10:48.925 [SPEAKER_01]: It's 10:48.945 --> 10:51.606 [SPEAKER_01]: sounds so much like new thought affirmations. 10:51.786 --> 10:52.987 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very similar. 10:54.367 --> 10:58.469 [SPEAKER_01]: And what was interesting is I was reading in James today. 10:58.489 --> 11:02.511 [SPEAKER_01]: And I noticed in James 4, 13 through 16. 11:02.551 --> 11:06.432 [SPEAKER_01]: It says, now listen, you who say today or tomorrow, we will go do that. 11:06.532 --> 11:08.733 [SPEAKER_01]: We will go do this or that. 11:08.973 --> 11:10.234 [SPEAKER_01]: Go to this or that city. 11:10.414 --> 11:12.415 [SPEAKER_01]: Spending year there, carry on business and make money. 11:12.995 --> 11:15.376 [SPEAKER_01]: Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. 11:15.436 --> 11:16.197 [SPEAKER_01]: What is your life? 11:16.257 --> 11:18.818 [SPEAKER_01]: You are a miss that appears for a little while and then vanishes. 11:19.018 --> 11:23.340 [SPEAKER_01]: Instead, you ought to say, if it is the Lord's will, we will live and do this or that. 11:23.740 --> 11:25.861 [SPEAKER_01]: As it is, you boast in your arrogant schemes. 11:26.141 --> 11:28.022 [SPEAKER_01]: All such boasting is evil. 11:28.642 --> 11:39.688 [SPEAKER_01]: That is a lesser kind of boasting about what you will do tomorrow than commanding the universe or commanding God to do your will. 11:40.666 --> 11:51.234 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a death incident evil, it will even tell you if you say no, I'm not going to declare that God's going to do stuff, I'm going to say if it's your will and they say that's a form of not having faith. 11:52.061 --> 11:56.585 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, nope, this is exactly what scripture teaches that we are supposed to do. 11:56.645 --> 12:00.187 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's an excellent, that's an excellent verse that you point out, Alexa. 12:00.307 --> 12:13.858 [SPEAKER_00]: So if I were going to describe this, so like I said to you all earlier that I think this entire series could be summarized in one quote from the very final episode and it's this when the girl goes, I love when dangerous things are pretty. 12:16.397 --> 12:17.158 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's good. 12:17.539 --> 12:18.280 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, good. 12:19.121 --> 12:19.441 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 12:20.443 --> 12:24.268 [SPEAKER_02]: I definitely would say that the show is pretty. 12:24.288 --> 12:28.814 [SPEAKER_02]: The the ambiance and the music. 12:28.894 --> 12:31.037 [SPEAKER_02]: I honestly, there was lots of great music. 12:31.458 --> 12:34.099 [SPEAKER_00]: look like, you know, five star B and B's. 12:34.159 --> 12:35.320 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, there's no door. 12:35.380 --> 12:37.001 [SPEAKER_00]: And they paid that thing white. 12:37.261 --> 12:39.502 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like these plastic mattresses. 12:39.542 --> 12:47.846 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, they got like all this, you know, beautiful lighting and the windows and the, you know, anyways, yeah, I'm like, dorms don't look like that. 12:48.227 --> 12:52.089 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was, it was very, it definitely was appealing to the eyes. 12:55.431 --> 13:01.897 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I wrote that is something that was, I don't know if it, it makes it more interesting. 13:02.097 --> 13:12.928 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say to teenagers, I think the stories were very typical, like you said, Hillary, the vampire. 13:13.028 --> 13:15.030 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not a fan of Twilight. 13:15.110 --> 13:15.430 [SPEAKER_02]: I am. 13:16.091 --> 13:17.873 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, toilet is a no for me. 13:18.013 --> 13:22.517 [SPEAKER_02]: I find Bella very the main character in toilet is very whiny and a baby. 13:22.537 --> 13:25.120 [SPEAKER_02]: I think Rire can't with her. 13:25.160 --> 13:29.964 [SPEAKER_02]: She says she's a no for me as well, but Brire, I find she's more compelling. 13:30.125 --> 13:34.949 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they tried to make the characters more well rounded. 13:35.430 --> 13:39.494 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I know that that is a thing in movies that they're really trying to do. 13:39.654 --> 13:40.374 [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's got 13:41.055 --> 13:42.996 [SPEAKER_02]: a backstory or an origin story. 13:43.036 --> 13:48.500 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of, they were really trying to go for depth with some of them. 13:48.580 --> 13:54.144 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, characters, parents dying, brothers, isn't that the way that it is? 13:54.184 --> 13:59.788 [SPEAKER_00]: And everything though, like, every hero of every story has one or both parents that are dead. 13:59.808 --> 14:00.168 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's 14:05.872 --> 14:07.773 [SPEAKER_00]: Would you say every Disney princess? 14:07.813 --> 14:15.917 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the Disney princesses, yes, someone's gone, but I just, it really is irritating and I even remember this back when I was a teenager. 14:16.457 --> 14:25.521 [SPEAKER_00]: So they have made the new cool girl is just really jaded, sarcastic and just cynical, very, very cynical. 14:25.581 --> 14:33.065 [SPEAKER_00]: So back in back when I was a teenager, all of the girls that were portrayed is like the really kind of interesting ones were all depressed. 14:33.665 --> 14:44.375 [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember being like, I wish I could be depressed and, of course, I don't know if I just invited something new with that, but that, you know, that prayer got answered for a good 20 years before the Lord really freed me from that. 14:44.395 --> 14:47.198 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not as cool as it looks in the movies. 14:48.119 --> 14:55.265 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's like they're making it to where when kids picture themselves in these situations, like what you were saying on you, it's so pretty. 14:55.406 --> 14:57.928 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really inviting because you can picture yourself in there. 14:58.408 --> 15:05.390 [SPEAKER_00]: it's changing your affections to want to be there, and even if it's just because it's got such a beautiful set, it's still changing your affections. 15:05.530 --> 15:14.973 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's making it to where if you want to be like the really cool girl that is being pursued by all the guys, you have to be cynical and jaded and kind of just bitter at something. 15:15.253 --> 15:17.614 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just it's such a trope, but I'm getting tired of it. 15:18.274 --> 15:40.008 [SPEAKER_02]: One thing that was really, well, there was quite a few things that stood out to me in the 21 episodes that I watched, because it's important when we talk about their short episodes that I know I, yes, I have to say I think it's important that you don't just vet the pilot, this is what I was talking to my kids about in the car, yes. 15:40.288 --> 15:41.709 [SPEAKER_02]: The pilots are really ranchy. 15:42.069 --> 15:47.070 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't have grown up shows and then they get less ranchy, which is weird, which is good. 15:47.190 --> 15:48.291 [SPEAKER_02]: We should not have ranchy shows. 15:48.311 --> 15:49.531 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm anti-pronci. 15:49.771 --> 15:59.755 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's really important with kids shows that if you vet it for your kids, you do not just watch one episode. 15:59.835 --> 16:03.276 [SPEAKER_02]: You watch the whole thing, which is why we did it for you. 16:03.396 --> 16:04.216 [SPEAKER_02]: You are welcome. 16:04.236 --> 16:06.097 [SPEAKER_02]: You do not have to watch the movie academy. 16:09.798 --> 16:32.783 [SPEAKER_02]: Spoilers are I think one thing that I could say that I would say is a positive and I had a lot of that if you had an older teenagers who were watching this show or say a young adult if your child is a young adult because eventually your kids are young adults and they have to learn how to watch shows say you are watched this show because your child is a young adult. 16:33.744 --> 16:39.268 [SPEAKER_02]: Dark magic in this move in the show is portrayed as very very bad. 16:39.368 --> 16:43.551 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, the dark magic leaves a physical mark kind of like send us. 16:43.972 --> 16:45.773 [SPEAKER_02]: Stink and leave a mark on your soul. 16:45.893 --> 16:48.035 [SPEAKER_02]: And in fact, I've got a lot of quotes from the show. 16:48.395 --> 16:50.477 [SPEAKER_02]: Dark magic is totally addictive. 16:50.997 --> 16:55.101 [SPEAKER_02]: Dark magic eats it your soul and could kill you darkness kills your soul. 16:57.042 --> 17:04.245 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a lot of talk about how it was addictive, how it brought heightened aggression at brought night terror. 17:04.285 --> 17:05.125 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you or high? 17:05.466 --> 17:10.027 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like they really compared it to drugs with the kind of high that they would get from it. 17:10.668 --> 17:11.728 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah. 17:11.988 --> 17:18.911 [SPEAKER_00]: Believe in the mark, I thought it was interesting that this is a second place that we've seen darkness show up in dark veins. 17:19.511 --> 17:21.472 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, because that was a K-pop demon hunter thing. 17:21.672 --> 17:21.812 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 17:23.233 --> 17:23.393 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 17:23.473 --> 17:23.633 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 17:23.653 --> 17:23.813 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 17:23.893 --> 17:26.814 [SPEAKER_02]: And it says darkness is something you can't come back from. 17:27.894 --> 17:31.636 [SPEAKER_02]: And then there's a teacher who spoiler alert just kidding. 17:31.656 --> 17:32.616 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to watch a little show. 17:32.636 --> 17:41.939 [SPEAKER_02]: You're welcome, who turns out to be someone who is trying to put dark magic in the very world itself through the laylines. 17:42.559 --> 17:47.680 [SPEAKER_02]: He is trying to convince who turns out to be a spun son, also spoiler alert. 17:47.740 --> 17:48.060 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, 17:50.261 --> 18:07.195 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... he said dark magic is not as bad or it's just powerful and maybe more powerful than the people in charge and that scares them which is interesting too because there's also this whole idea of power like everyone wants power that's the number one 18:07.835 --> 18:24.885 [SPEAKER_02]: thing and so he's using power to to and dark magic to control the world and he even says don't do dark magic in front of others and he is totally blase about people dying all the time. 18:26.746 --> 18:28.669 [SPEAKER_02]: uh, it was really interesting. 18:28.849 --> 18:41.226 [SPEAKER_02]: It kind of reminded me of when we did the minions that there are real boundaries about what is good and bad even in the dark world that 18:42.318 --> 18:59.117 [SPEAKER_00]: in the which world there's light magic and dark magic in can I can I bring something up about that though so this is a good point you're saying it's good that they're portraying this kind of magic is bad but think about the phrase the enemy of my enemy is my friend so this is almost making like in in the 18:59.898 --> 19:20.546 [SPEAKER_00]: show the witches see normally we would say no witchcraft no to any kind of witchcraft but now we have these witches who their enemy is the dark magic so if enemy of my enemy is my friend that puts us in like I'm on the same side as these witches over here and so it actually makes it gives us idea that you can use what goddess called evil to combat evil. 19:21.720 --> 19:27.604 [SPEAKER_00]: And that is really one of the things that I think it sucks a lot of people in is they think oh, I'm going to use it for good. 19:27.644 --> 19:34.148 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is like literally the theme of Lord of the rings is like, oh, I'm going to use the ring for great good. 19:34.248 --> 19:37.030 [SPEAKER_00]: No, you can't use something that's evil to combat evil. 19:37.070 --> 19:37.890 [SPEAKER_00]: It just doesn't work. 19:38.051 --> 19:45.615 [SPEAKER_00]: It will basically take control of you, but in the show, it doesn't show that it only shows that happening with the evil stuff, but this light magic. 19:45.655 --> 19:46.516 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the good stuff. 19:47.136 --> 19:47.437 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 19:47.977 --> 19:49.098 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and and. 19:50.085 --> 20:05.657 [SPEAKER_02]: as as there's kind of this they're wanting to have rules and boundaries, but they they kind of don't they're always comparing there's themselves to somebody else and this is a human nature, which they're definitely not trying to call out, but you could definitely see it where. 20:06.257 --> 20:26.435 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, well, at least I'm not a vampire sucking people's blood or at least I'm not a hybrid who's both a vampire in which at least I'm not this I'm at least I'm not that and don't we, you know, even as Christian sometimes we justify our sin instead of saying, no, I will not gossip I will not partake in, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know 20:26.655 --> 20:27.215 [SPEAKER_02]: doing this. 20:27.335 --> 20:29.636 [SPEAKER_02]: So like at least I'm not doing all those sins. 20:30.237 --> 20:31.637 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, exactly. 20:31.737 --> 20:41.922 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why when people get close to God, they see, oh my goodness, they just power in his holiness, you know, because he's so holy and pure and we are not good. 20:41.942 --> 20:44.703 [SPEAKER_02]: Our righteousness is like filthy rags. 20:45.423 --> 20:51.766 [SPEAKER_02]: And in this show, they're always trying to compare themselves like, well, and better than this person, better than this person. 20:51.786 --> 20:53.147 [SPEAKER_02]: And it just honestly, 20:53.987 --> 21:00.370 [SPEAKER_02]: made me think I'm just so grateful that there is a standard and that God standard is not changing like the win. 21:00.871 --> 21:15.258 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have to try to do what is popular and right now when I was a teenager some of those things were taboo and the what is acceptable is totally changing and yeah so I thought that was really interesting. 21:16.202 --> 21:41.991 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so another issue or another insight that we have in here is they do like elevate the the idea of friendship and the idea of being there for each other and it's like there is and just having good healthy same-sex friendships, I think that is so important for for developmental for kids and just in developmental stages that to learn how to have that kind of friendship and to make it through thick and thin stuff like that, but at the same time, 21:44.472 --> 22:05.008 [SPEAKER_00]: it's really co-opting kids desires for to be included to have their own group and it's even going so far as to really co-op their idea of wanting to have a family because it's like it plays upon this idea that everybody has this broken family of some kind and here you can have this new family. 22:05.668 --> 22:08.450 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's very, very attractive. 22:08.490 --> 22:13.575 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, it's like when when her, you know, when she was talking about, she wishes she could talk to her mom for five minutes. 22:13.595 --> 22:19.680 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's one of the lines they said, oh, well, if you want to speak to someone who's been dead, we just need to have a good old fashioned summoning. 22:20.200 --> 22:26.826 [SPEAKER_00]: Like they said, it like, oh, it's just like, you know, we need to get grandma's peach tea over here and have just a good old, you know, you need a good old cry. 22:26.866 --> 22:28.667 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a good old fashioned summoning. 22:28.727 --> 22:31.370 [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is dark, dark, darkness. 22:32.430 --> 22:45.038 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're treating it like it's this oh, you know, just kind of it's this sweet old fashioned thing to do and how many kids have parents that have passed on or grandparents if they miss that think, oh, well, I mean, we could just try it. 22:45.078 --> 22:46.659 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to work, but we can just try it. 22:46.979 --> 22:55.484 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just still that they don't have that form brain of like you could be someone need something that you can you might not be able to put that genie back in the bottle if you know what I mean, yeah. 22:56.064 --> 23:14.263 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree that the the the friendship parts of it were very positive and and the idea of working together that you all have different gifts I mean yeah the Bible talks about how we all have different gifts and we're supposed to use them together and how we can really 23:15.264 --> 23:25.012 [SPEAKER_02]: do better for the kingdom for just as Romans 12 forth through eight for just as each of us has one body with many members and these members do not all have the same function. 23:25.432 --> 23:30.496 [SPEAKER_02]: So in Christ we have though many form one body and each member belongs to all others. 23:30.837 --> 23:33.879 [SPEAKER_02]: We have different gifts according to the grace given to each of us. 23:34.119 --> 23:36.561 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're gift is prophesying them prophesying a cordon's 23:37.847 --> 23:38.388 [SPEAKER_02]: with your faith. 23:38.448 --> 23:43.494 [SPEAKER_02]: If it's serving them serve, if it's teaching them teach, if it is to encourage, then give encouragement. 23:43.534 --> 23:45.636 [SPEAKER_02]: If it's giving, then give generously. 23:45.656 --> 23:50.021 [SPEAKER_02]: If it is to lead to it diligently, if it's to show mercy, do it cheerfully. 23:50.742 --> 23:54.987 [SPEAKER_02]: So, there, there, what their gifts are, you know, 23:55.828 --> 24:00.849 [SPEAKER_00]: not really mind of the stopping time and in lasting things out of your way. 24:01.589 --> 24:14.933 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think if you want to show all the grace, which is what we're always trying to do is find the middle part of the then diagram where we can agree, we can agree that we all have gifts and how we push them together is 24:15.753 --> 24:26.084 [SPEAKER_02]: is important in the show, it's said each born with singular ability, but together with your powers are magnified beyond anything you can possibly imagine. 24:28.362 --> 24:41.998 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and it's true that together, if you even look at Mama Bear, we all have different gifts and we're, it's really underwork with the team, where when we work together, we do cool stuff and we, it would be hard to do the things that we do alone. 24:42.118 --> 24:45.402 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm grateful for you guys, although I think. 24:46.122 --> 24:47.143 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't need a summoning. 24:47.343 --> 24:48.844 [SPEAKER_00]: We don't need to do this. 24:49.825 --> 25:00.211 [SPEAKER_00]: So that kind of takes us going from insights into issues and, like, probably one of the biggest issues I have, is it really does have so close to some of the things that the Bible talks about. 25:00.231 --> 25:01.912 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like you said, it has the different gifts. 25:02.253 --> 25:06.435 [SPEAKER_00]: It has this perverted version of the Trinity, where each covenant is, you know, a group of three. 25:06.956 --> 25:15.341 [SPEAKER_00]: It has this idea of their being, you know, your combating darkness, which, you know, Christianity has this idea that we are of the light. 25:16.221 --> 25:17.322 [SPEAKER_00]: We are children of the light. 25:17.422 --> 25:18.542 [SPEAKER_00]: Do not walk in darkness. 25:18.602 --> 25:21.863 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like it's kind of trying to take that that lightness of the darkness. 25:22.343 --> 25:28.005 [SPEAKER_00]: It's in the desire for affirmation, the desire to be part of a team, the desire to be part of a femme. 25:28.345 --> 25:30.506 [SPEAKER_00]: It takes all of these good things by God. 25:30.526 --> 25:33.147 [SPEAKER_00]: And then just twist it into something else. 25:33.187 --> 25:35.288 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that would be one of my biggest issues on this is it. 25:36.755 --> 25:43.761 [SPEAKER_00]: It takes something that's already built in and gives people kind of a distorted view of how to pursue God's good gifts. 25:44.962 --> 25:51.467 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think that the darkness that is presented in the show really is like if you back up and look at the message of it. 25:52.028 --> 25:56.214 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the whole idea of everyone has a suit at the table. 25:56.394 --> 26:00.600 [SPEAKER_01]: They even used that phrase that witches didn't always have a suit at the table. 26:01.021 --> 26:03.885 [SPEAKER_01]: So they had to come up with their own holiday. 26:04.186 --> 26:06.489 [SPEAKER_01]: They changed Thanksgiving to which giving? 26:07.230 --> 26:10.411 [SPEAKER_01]: because which is we're not accepted at Thanksgiving. 26:11.012 --> 26:29.720 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's this kind of whole message going throughout that they're still working towards but you can tell it's going there that the witches need to accept the vampires and everybody needs to accept each other and that the real darkness, the real evil is any kind of division. 26:30.360 --> 26:30.620 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 26:31.200 --> 26:36.362 [SPEAKER_00]: And actually, so John watched this whole thing with me just because he's acting as my spiritual covering. 26:36.402 --> 26:41.643 [SPEAKER_00]: He knows that I can be sensitive to kind of a whole kind of thing. 26:41.683 --> 26:43.824 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's like, if you're watching it, I'm going to be in the room with you. 26:43.864 --> 26:45.884 [SPEAKER_00]: So of course, he can't just not pay attention to it. 26:46.364 --> 26:49.005 [SPEAKER_00]: And during which given he goes, who are they giving thanks to? 26:50.270 --> 27:05.762 [SPEAKER_01]: who are they thinking for these things because I keep saying oh I'm so thankful for this he's like who are they thinking uh they don't know the universe I don't know yeah which is another that's like kind of more into the real occult is like they're very into like the divine 27:08.303 --> 27:15.365 [SPEAKER_01]: connecting with the divine and harnessing it and putting your intentions out into the universe because they make their little. 27:15.505 --> 27:25.707 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like they make a wish but that's what they're thankful for and they take a leaf and it floats up into the air and that's great. 27:25.747 --> 27:29.248 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think there may be this something with the leaf makes me think of nature. 27:29.748 --> 27:30.048 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 27:30.748 --> 27:37.132 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and I think watching the show, they make things of the occult seem every day and common. 27:37.312 --> 27:43.937 [SPEAKER_02]: And I wrote down, I tried to write down as many things that were in the show, which it's obvious, it's about witches. 27:44.277 --> 27:51.982 [SPEAKER_02]: So of course they are, but still it goes without saying there's tarot cards, there's an evil eye on the gate. 27:52.523 --> 27:55.084 [SPEAKER_02]: Constant talk about horoscopes and who is this 27:56.245 --> 28:02.488 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I noticed the horoscope things she was like almost be areas because I can feel your energy or something like that. 28:02.508 --> 28:03.288 [SPEAKER_02]: I came up with it. 28:03.328 --> 28:05.289 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it was very, it is normalizing it. 28:05.349 --> 28:09.031 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, also were normies because we're not. 28:09.411 --> 28:13.033 [SPEAKER_02]: But what should I kind of like normally better than my goals just saying, but whatever. 28:13.093 --> 28:15.374 [SPEAKER_02]: This is like the first time I've ever been called normal. 28:17.994 --> 28:19.797 [SPEAKER_02]: She's like, I'll take it. 28:20.778 --> 28:24.484 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the telepathy, the incantations, they were seer stones. 28:24.544 --> 28:28.470 [SPEAKER_02]: There was this whim, whim wire, which was a book of, I don't know. 28:28.490 --> 28:29.611 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a real thing, isn't it? 28:29.631 --> 28:30.573 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm sure. 28:30.593 --> 28:31.114 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I did. 28:32.896 --> 28:36.117 [SPEAKER_02]: There's evil in the room as the girls get the power back. 28:36.157 --> 28:40.758 [SPEAKER_02]: There's lots of incantations, their spells, and Halloween is too tame. 28:40.778 --> 28:42.059 [SPEAKER_02]: They call it hex fast. 28:42.839 --> 28:49.621 [SPEAKER_02]: And see your point as well, which, which giving, um, there's like a creepy shadow thing. 28:49.661 --> 28:51.581 [SPEAKER_02]: They, they throw ancient rooms. 28:51.941 --> 28:53.222 [SPEAKER_02]: They make a witch's brew. 28:53.242 --> 28:54.722 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, all of the tropes. 28:55.102 --> 28:57.344 [SPEAKER_02]: all of the occulti things are in it. 28:57.864 --> 29:04.350 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you weren't familiar with them before, you'd the show now you've been exposed to the world of the occult. 29:04.590 --> 29:05.230 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah. 29:05.250 --> 29:06.992 [SPEAKER_00]: So the grandma is an actual thing. 29:07.032 --> 29:10.194 [SPEAKER_00]: It's also known as a manual of sorcery magic book or spell book. 29:10.234 --> 29:17.900 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the kind of thing that one kid, you know, especially if you have the subtitles on, they're like, oh, okay, and they can just go and they can Google that and they can pull it up. 29:18.201 --> 29:18.961 [SPEAKER_00]: Can't be a big deal. 29:18.981 --> 29:20.583 [SPEAKER_00]: It's on Wikipedia after all, right? 29:22.444 --> 29:26.665 [SPEAKER_00]: So here's something if I just typed in Grimwire, and so here's one of the top things. 29:26.705 --> 29:28.906 [SPEAKER_00]: Grimwars, what are they and how do you make one? 29:29.166 --> 29:36.129 [SPEAKER_00]: So here's a, we got a creating a Grimwire, a beginner's guide, grandma's Grimwire. 29:36.829 --> 29:38.449 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's a coat world. 29:38.970 --> 29:45.392 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's so many things on here that you just Google this and I mean, just the world is at your fingertips for that. 29:46.292 --> 29:50.318 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to save this for conversations, but it goes with what you just said. 29:50.338 --> 30:00.192 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we can treat the whole topic of the occult with our kids like we did when I was little, which was like, just stay away from it. 30:00.352 --> 30:00.692 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, 30:01.313 --> 30:09.997 [SPEAKER_01]: I was scared enough to stay away from it because there's the internet and there's stuff like that and there's stuff there's so much content trying to normalize it and say it's really not that big of a deal. 30:10.297 --> 30:21.282 [SPEAKER_01]: You're really just doing a B and C you do the same thing in church like they're going to see that kind of description that that kind of presentation of the occult. 30:22.202 --> 30:24.565 [SPEAKER_01]: and it's different than back then. 30:24.585 --> 30:29.190 [SPEAKER_01]: So we actually have to have like, especially as our kids are getting older, detailed conversations. 30:29.230 --> 30:33.134 [SPEAKER_01]: What actually is which craft, how is it being presented? 30:33.574 --> 30:44.486 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, what's the difference between the show and what you're going to see online, compare them, but show like the underlying darkness and really get detailed about it. 30:45.166 --> 31:04.395 [SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things I emphasize and like I emphasize is so much it actually made it to Melissa Dorty's book that a cult does not mean doesn't work like that's not the definition of cult of cult A cult means hidden means this is not something we're supposed to be partaking and people a lot of times have this concept of like well it kind of works So I mean isn't that good 31:05.175 --> 31:07.497 [SPEAKER_00]: No, just because something works does not make it good. 31:07.517 --> 31:10.559 [SPEAKER_00]: We need our kids to understand when you are doing these things. 31:10.599 --> 31:12.180 [SPEAKER_00]: You are community with demons. 31:12.200 --> 31:21.267 [SPEAKER_00]: You are talking to demons and they're going to play nice for as long as it takes for you to get hooked in there to just be sucked in with all the goodies. 31:21.767 --> 31:25.530 [SPEAKER_00]: You think you're harnessing them when really it's them harnessing you. 31:25.550 --> 31:30.714 [SPEAKER_00]: They're just taking these little bread crumbs that you keep picking up of like, ooh, this work, this work, this work. 31:31.194 --> 31:42.552 [SPEAKER_00]: until they can trap you basically, and at that point, they have just, you know, their claws into you, because you've allowed them to have that much power over you in the way you've been interacting with them. 31:42.632 --> 31:43.994 [SPEAKER_00]: This is demonic. 31:44.054 --> 31:45.457 [SPEAKER_00]: We cannot tell our kids that enough. 31:46.949 --> 31:49.970 [SPEAKER_02]: I would also, there's a lot of creepy stuff in the show. 31:50.070 --> 31:55.451 [SPEAKER_02]: It was, I was pretty horrified really early on in the pilot, and it was honestly more violent in the pilot. 31:57.391 --> 32:06.073 [SPEAKER_02]: The eating of a human of their guts, the way it was, they didn't show it, which I'm glad, but it almost made it scarier. 32:06.933 --> 32:15.115 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of talk of drinking blood, and then when there was mine, if the bar that they'd go with the little test tubes where they can drink the blood, 32:16.115 --> 32:18.921 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, the good guy only drinks cow blood and pig blood. 32:18.941 --> 32:20.243 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, that's still really gross. 32:21.462 --> 32:28.467 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there was a lot of creepy things, which in some ways is, yeah, this is creepy. 32:29.007 --> 32:31.388 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I want my kids to be creeped out. 32:31.468 --> 32:33.430 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want them to think, oh, this is okay. 32:33.510 --> 32:35.151 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, putting stakes in the card. 32:35.171 --> 32:37.692 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the more exposure you get, the less creeped out you get. 32:37.712 --> 32:40.374 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the point when you get decent, it ties to something. 32:40.494 --> 32:43.996 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like at first you're like, you know, but the more you're exposed to it, you're like, yeah, it's okay. 32:44.117 --> 32:46.158 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and eventually it's like, no big deal. 32:46.478 --> 32:46.658 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 32:46.979 --> 32:48.601 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what we're trying to avoid. 32:48.641 --> 32:50.223 [SPEAKER_00]: We want to avoid the place where we go. 32:50.744 --> 32:51.225 [SPEAKER_02]: No big deal. 32:51.786 --> 32:51.986 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 32:52.687 --> 32:55.631 [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know who's going to be the one to say this or not. 32:55.751 --> 32:59.356 [SPEAKER_02]: There were four main teenage characters that we know the name stuff. 33:00.551 --> 33:09.017 [SPEAKER_02]: uh, briar, teagun, um, Sasha and my kind of mechanic was the broody mean girl who turns good. 33:09.278 --> 33:12.720 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, at the end, two of them fall in love with each other. 33:12.980 --> 33:18.044 [SPEAKER_02]: So now 50% of your female characters are in a same sex relationship. 33:18.064 --> 33:18.224 [SPEAKER_02]: 50% of 33:19.725 --> 33:31.276 [SPEAKER_01]: It's also note that this teagun shoot I remember talking about hot boys all throughout the season and the first time she gets flirted with by a girl She's like totally into her. 33:32.016 --> 33:43.086 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and there's just like even even if like I don't feel any chemistry It's like you just I don't know it's so contrived or she warned in and it's so sure And I think I text y'all my dad here comes the day 33:43.907 --> 33:46.528 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like it's just unnecessary. 33:46.548 --> 33:48.889 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make the storyline any better. 33:48.929 --> 34:00.575 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, like John's done a deep dive onto this and how basically a lot of just TV's, movies, books, companies, everybody is being forced to put this in there in order to increase. 34:00.615 --> 34:01.835 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember what score it is. 34:01.875 --> 34:08.338 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like the score that allows them to like buy and trade and it's, yeah, anyway, yeah. 34:08.698 --> 34:10.139 [SPEAKER_00]: Johnny John will know he's in the other room. 34:10.979 --> 34:34.155 [SPEAKER_02]: I know I know what you're talking about and honestly we should talk about that in our other one in our other movie minutes too because they It makes the huge thing in fact the The I would say and I think I said that some one of my our previous movie minutes that there's We're getting away from the print saving the princess as the end which I appreciate because when I was a teenager 34:35.235 --> 34:49.808 [SPEAKER_02]: I love that, I mean, the 90s rom-coms are, I mean, how to lose the guy in 10 days while you were saying, there's so many amazing 90s rom-coms, but it's up this expectation for me that a prince was going to come and save the day. 34:49.888 --> 34:54.872 [SPEAKER_02]: When really Jesus is the one who's going to save the day, now it is, it is, 34:55.848 --> 34:57.810 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're like, well, no, that doesn't work. 34:57.850 --> 35:00.893 [SPEAKER_02]: We can't put love on the pedestal like that, which is great. 35:01.314 --> 35:02.155 [SPEAKER_02]: Now it's friendship. 35:02.915 --> 35:06.859 [SPEAKER_02]: The, yeah, they're making, it's the idol of friendship. 35:07.120 --> 35:12.125 [SPEAKER_02]: Because now it says the sisterhood, it's, you know, it's very much 35:12.726 --> 35:22.058 [SPEAKER_02]: Like we are gonna have this forever unbreakable friendship and I know I have spent my life I value friendship so much. 35:22.178 --> 35:27.885 [SPEAKER_02]: I've held on to friendships far beyond their expectation dates sometimes because I'm like 35:28.720 --> 35:49.677 [SPEAKER_02]: we have to be friends forever we have to be friends forever no you don't you know um so so i think that this is setting girls up and i think it's something to look out for in movies is that someone other than god can fill you and when i know i've done it in my life put someone 35:50.397 --> 35:56.120 [SPEAKER_02]: in a place where I should have put God where I say, oh, this friendship is going to make me so happy. 35:56.160 --> 35:58.281 [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to be there for me no matter what. 35:58.421 --> 36:00.662 [SPEAKER_02]: In my right or die, I finally have one. 36:00.702 --> 36:01.142 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 36:01.463 --> 36:03.624 [SPEAKER_02]: And God has given me incredible friends. 36:03.724 --> 36:07.085 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't tell you enough how amazing my friends are. 36:07.245 --> 36:14.649 [SPEAKER_02]: But now that I've put them in the proper place that they should be, I'm not expecting them to fill my cup in the way that God does. 36:14.769 --> 36:16.090 [SPEAKER_02]: I think my friendships are a lot. 36:16.550 --> 36:30.238 [SPEAKER_02]: healthier there are a lot stronger and I'm able to encourage them like I should instead of getting mad at them if they are unable to fill all of my needs and the show definitely sets friendship up for failure. 36:30.258 --> 36:35.261 [SPEAKER_02]: This is in so many movies now but it's the identity issue. 36:36.163 --> 36:45.533 [SPEAKER_02]: who I am putting your who we are in the movie, they were like, I am embrace who I really am a vampire and I'm proud of it. 36:46.014 --> 36:56.085 [SPEAKER_02]: So one of the characters said, and in this case, that's like a vampire that kills people and sucks out people's souls, but even as Christians do our 36:57.132 --> 36:59.637 [SPEAKER_02]: Are we putting, what are we putting our identity in? 36:59.717 --> 37:07.792 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it our, our, um, married status as well as a mom is our identity in even. 37:10.484 --> 37:20.407 [SPEAKER_02]: our job or our friendships, females often are in our relationships, but also our roles, what are we putting our identity in? 37:20.927 --> 37:35.891 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's all over our culture, finding out who I am, who am I really, who am I really like, really so like, you know what, you are a God's creation, 37:39.046 --> 37:41.048 [SPEAKER_02]: do with what God has given you. 37:41.288 --> 37:43.530 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't just dwell on yourself. 37:43.570 --> 37:49.155 [SPEAKER_02]: It becomes this really self-focused where, oh, that's not who I really am. 37:49.175 --> 37:50.677 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. 37:50.837 --> 37:52.739 [SPEAKER_02]: They're a fending who I really am. 37:54.300 --> 37:55.120 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a podcast. 37:55.160 --> 38:01.283 [SPEAKER_00]: I was doing it was a mean Natasha, Alicia Childers, and Frank Turk, and Elisa was talking about this conversation. 38:01.323 --> 38:06.585 [SPEAKER_00]: She had with Janet, Janet Carshall, that we've done interviews with her as well. 38:07.405 --> 38:11.507 [SPEAKER_00]: And talking about the authentic self, and she was like, Lord, save me for my authentic self. 38:11.567 --> 38:14.368 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, that's the thing everybody said, I need to find my authentic self. 38:14.428 --> 38:16.488 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I need to be saved for my authentic self. 38:16.528 --> 38:17.369 [SPEAKER_00]: Can we just say that? 38:19.070 --> 38:23.732 [SPEAKER_00]: This whole identity thing, that's why you have to choose into the identity of Christ. 38:23.752 --> 38:25.533 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't fall into the identity of Christ. 38:25.613 --> 38:26.714 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't come naturally. 38:27.074 --> 38:31.076 [SPEAKER_00]: You choose into that identity and the thing that you feed does become your identity. 38:31.717 --> 38:43.243 [SPEAKER_01]: Just the whole concept of power, like there actually is power that is offered to believers through the Holy Spirit, but the way you access that is humility. 38:43.563 --> 38:46.765 [SPEAKER_01]: It's by just laying yourself humbling yourself. 38:47.569 --> 38:47.809 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 38:48.209 --> 38:48.390 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 38:49.190 --> 38:52.432 [SPEAKER_01]: There's one more thing we didn't talk about that I think is really important to point out. 38:52.453 --> 38:52.693 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 38:52.713 --> 38:53.193 [SPEAKER_01]: An issue. 38:54.114 --> 39:03.300 [SPEAKER_01]: The whole trope about the dangerous vampire that can kill the girl and her saying, I trust you, you'll never hurt me. 39:03.721 --> 39:04.001 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 39:04.061 --> 39:09.245 [SPEAKER_00]: So this idea that the bad boy, you know, he just, so this is what she said. 39:10.045 --> 39:14.226 [SPEAKER_00]: I should be scared of him that he's going to attack me any second. 39:14.646 --> 39:18.527 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm not the pain in his eyes, everything that he's gone through. 39:18.627 --> 39:19.607 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to help him. 39:20.147 --> 39:25.229 [SPEAKER_00]: So what I put next to this is this is a perversion of the helpmate instinct. 39:25.329 --> 39:35.391 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we as women, like one of the reasons why we are drawn to the better, not we, I never was, but girls can be drawn to the bad boys, is I think that there is that instinct of wanting to help. 39:35.431 --> 39:39.452 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's like one of those God-given instincts that the Lord that we have inside of us, 39:40.032 --> 39:48.815 [SPEAKER_00]: placed in a really twisted way that we need to tell our daughters, especially it is good if you want to help him, but is he capable of leading you first? 39:49.215 --> 39:57.938 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to help a man who's capable of leading you, you don't want to help a man who's going to basically, you know, we could basically even this point literally suck out your soul and your blood. 39:59.480 --> 40:05.089 [SPEAKER_01]: Another angle on that too is I think it speaks to the girl who wants to feel protected. 40:05.710 --> 40:05.890 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 40:06.070 --> 40:12.200 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just, you know, he's got all this, this dark side, he can use that to protect me. 40:12.721 --> 40:13.923 [SPEAKER_01]: And to have this like, 40:16.005 --> 40:26.570 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's dumb and love deception of like, well, that would never come at me, you know, I'm safe from that because I'm special. 40:26.670 --> 40:27.590 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to protect me. 40:27.890 --> 40:35.394 [SPEAKER_00]: This is why I think it's important that any show that you ever have that portrays an abusive man, you need to put it on pause and say to your dog is be like, 40:36.094 --> 40:53.957 [SPEAKER_00]: this is the guy that she wanted to save this is the guy that had all the pain in his eyes this is what that guy actually does in real life is that what you want because that's the bad boy once you marry him and like we need to point that out every single time we say hey by the way honey see this abuse of relationship that's the bad boy when you marry him 40:54.878 --> 41:03.541 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and get them with this concepts, uh, yeah, because I am so sick of this thing of like the then when a guy says, I want to protect you from myself. 41:03.701 --> 41:04.541 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen to him. 41:04.821 --> 41:05.061 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 41:05.101 --> 41:06.201 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen to him. 41:06.282 --> 41:12.303 [SPEAKER_00]: He knows what he knows himself and maybe in that brief moment, he can say, yeah, and I do want to protect you from me. 41:12.323 --> 41:16.745 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, don't then go be like, oh, you could never do anything to me. 41:16.805 --> 41:17.505 [SPEAKER_00]: No, he knows. 41:18.634 --> 41:19.654 [SPEAKER_00]: stop country to continue. 41:19.774 --> 41:27.737 [SPEAKER_00]: So first off, I would say don't watch it, not just because it's normalizing all this stuff, but just because it's not that great or a show, it's not that great and quality. 41:28.718 --> 41:33.259 [SPEAKER_00]: So even if you're not going to say no, just because of that, just tell them, I've heard that it's not very good quality. 41:33.319 --> 41:34.600 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, come on, if you're going to... 41:35.580 --> 41:39.323 [SPEAKER_00]: Like if you're going to have to like really chew and spit through something like make it at least a good show. 41:40.704 --> 41:45.088 [SPEAKER_00]: But what is one conversation that you think every parent needs to have. 41:45.168 --> 41:48.110 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have a conversation that they need to have before. 41:48.130 --> 41:57.297 [SPEAKER_00]: Or while they're trying to decide with their child, if they're going to watch the show and a conversation, if their child does this, if they do come to the conclusion, yes, we're going to watch this. 41:57.738 --> 41:58.879 [SPEAKER_00]: But we're going to talk through it. 41:58.919 --> 42:00.800 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's talk about the two different conversations. 42:00.840 --> 42:02.402 [SPEAKER_00]: What would you all say what you would have for those. 42:03.748 --> 42:11.631 [SPEAKER_02]: I love what you said there, Hillary, because it's really important as your kids grow up that they learn how to choose their own shows. 42:12.332 --> 42:26.257 [SPEAKER_02]: When my kids were younger, I would go on focus on the family and look up what is in this movie and tell them yes or no, but as they grew up, I would share this is what is in the 42:32.700 --> 42:40.851 [SPEAKER_02]: the thing is we are only granted so much time on this earth and how do you want to spend the time that God has given you? 42:40.871 --> 42:47.640 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you really want to watch this broody mope vampire show that is over dramatic and ridiculous? 42:49.382 --> 42:55.445 [SPEAKER_02]: but I think it's important to teach our kids how to choose what they put in their brain. 42:56.586 --> 42:57.526 [SPEAKER_02]: How and why? 42:57.546 --> 43:00.908 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think the justification to watch this show would be very slim. 43:00.988 --> 43:09.173 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe if they had a friend who was struggling and if they were grown up and their friend just struggled, I'm like trying to pull me like why you would have to watch this show. 43:09.553 --> 43:13.415 [SPEAKER_02]: But I would say start with why are we watching this show? 43:13.975 --> 43:16.777 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you want to get out of the show and why? 43:17.497 --> 43:17.717 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 43:18.637 --> 43:19.658 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a, that's a good one. 43:19.878 --> 43:25.940 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I would say, what are you going to do to guard yourself when you, when you see your affection starting to change? 43:26.080 --> 43:28.121 [SPEAKER_00]: How are you going to recognize that? 43:28.161 --> 43:34.803 [SPEAKER_00]: For example, I think I've talked about this before that there was a show that I really liked watching, but I knew that one of the characters was going to be gay one day. 43:35.523 --> 43:39.385 [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, the moment that I start rooting for that, 43:40.305 --> 44:04.494 [SPEAKER_00]: relationship is the day that I can't watch this anymore and I think it'd be the same thing for you know it doesn't have to just be same-sex relationships if you're rooting for people to sleep together even if they're heterosexual you need to be able to tell when are my affections changing how I can judge if they're changing like tell them the second you start being curious and wanting to Google more stuff on this that's when you stop watching what are you going to do to protect yourself 44:05.034 --> 44:14.377 [SPEAKER_00]: from having your affections changed and I think that always needs to be a conversation that happens before you partake in anything where you know there's some things in here that are concerning. 44:16.358 --> 44:18.958 [SPEAKER_01]: I prepared for this part a little bit differently. 44:19.559 --> 44:27.241 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a conversation I would have with parents who choose not to watch it in our home and another conversation to have for parents who choose to watch it. 44:28.121 --> 44:28.581 [SPEAKER_01]: I like it. 44:28.621 --> 44:29.442 [SPEAKER_01]: Take it that direction. 44:29.462 --> 44:30.102 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 44:30.382 --> 44:42.672 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you decide not to watch it with your kids, especially depending on the ages of your kids, definitely talk about why you made that decision, praise your child for their ability to think critically. 44:42.712 --> 44:45.695 [SPEAKER_01]: This isn't about that I think I don't trust you to watch this. 44:45.755 --> 44:47.757 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're just going to go start doing witchcraft. 44:48.117 --> 44:50.179 [SPEAKER_01]: have their conversation with them discuss with them. 44:50.199 --> 44:54.123 [SPEAKER_01]: Why would want to be wise with what we allow our minds to dwell on? 44:55.325 --> 44:56.646 [SPEAKER_01]: The kinds of dark images. 44:56.946 --> 44:59.088 [SPEAKER_01]: Once you see something, you cannot unsee it. 45:00.890 --> 45:02.092 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the big one. 45:02.172 --> 45:03.914 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you couldn't emphasize that enough. 45:04.094 --> 45:06.196 [SPEAKER_01]: Once you see something, you can't unsee it. 45:07.337 --> 45:07.537 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 45:08.097 --> 45:09.498 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 45:09.638 --> 45:13.499 [SPEAKER_01]: Too much desensitization is not good. 45:13.559 --> 45:14.400 [SPEAKER_01]: Talk about that. 45:15.220 --> 45:32.007 [SPEAKER_01]: If we're going to be watching things that make the occult look pretty and normal, talk about that effect that that can have because even though your mind knows all the things, all the reasons why it's wrong, all the thing reasons why it's unbiblical if that makes your heart sympathetic toward it. 45:32.367 --> 45:32.607 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 45:32.927 --> 45:37.748 [SPEAKER_01]: that can like you just like you already said it can take your affection. 45:38.708 --> 45:48.710 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, but for families who decide to watch it, I think it's a good idea to talk about what real spellcasting in witchcraft actually looks like. 45:49.070 --> 45:49.350 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 45:49.410 --> 45:57.952 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe show them a prayerfully think about if your convictions allow you to maybe watch a real or two from the witches of Instagram and look at 46:00.273 --> 46:13.582 [SPEAKER_01]: And most importantly, talk about how any belief system that tries to empower you by putting you on your own throne and lure you into controlling your own reality is a demonic satanic belief. 46:15.972 --> 46:30.870 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, those are great questions and yeah, so I guess if if if you do decide to watch it, I think you should be asking your child point out every time you see them referencing something that someone could point back to Christianity and how they twisted it just making them 46:31.370 --> 46:40.592 [SPEAKER_00]: start to recognize every time that they see something that is Christian or that is godly, that has been twisted because that they're not going to only just practice doing it in that show. 46:41.092 --> 46:44.013 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to start seeing it out the world and this is the big one. 46:44.053 --> 46:53.695 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to start seeing it sometimes if they start attending a church that is not very strong in its doctrine, especially when they're in college, they will be able to pick it up like that. 46:53.855 --> 47:00.257 [SPEAKER_00]: That is the gift that keeps on giving because you're preparing them to really be discerning between the real 47:01.297 --> 47:05.500 [SPEAKER_00]: So, on your what were your biggest questions that you would have for someone after they decide to watch it? 47:05.841 --> 47:23.774 [SPEAKER_02]: If you and your family have decided you want to watch this show, I would definitely do some research like the others suggested about what, I almost make it a game, what a cult things are we're going to find in this episode. 47:24.234 --> 47:24.455 [SPEAKER_02]: What 47:25.525 --> 47:33.038 [SPEAKER_02]: is going to be in this episode that is they're trying to normalize, look at what they're trying to normalize. 47:33.118 --> 47:37.466 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that that is really, really important to look out for 47:39.603 --> 47:56.995 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not just all the occult items but also the behavior between the conversations that they're having with one another, how they're treating what another, how they're justifying their behavior even if their behavior is I don't know sucking people's souls. 48:06.582 --> 48:09.546 [SPEAKER_02]: Totally, and there's even a moment of feminism. 48:09.626 --> 48:15.574 [SPEAKER_02]: It was so the disrespect that Sasha had against this older professor. 48:15.634 --> 48:17.897 [SPEAKER_02]: He was just giving general directions. 48:17.997 --> 48:21.922 [SPEAKER_02]: And she goes, I love the warlock's planning before the final. 48:23.028 --> 48:42.874 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember that really offensive, not just because I'm a teacher, but because if my daughter would treat somebody who is her teacher trying to help her and treat him as though he's mansplaining or warlocks, I know that we're trying to make a teacher playing. 48:43.934 --> 48:49.500 [SPEAKER_02]: it was so it was so disrespectful and unnecessary. 48:49.680 --> 48:59.629 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that I would say the one value if your kid just was like I have to watch and I would say by kid I mean someone in there 49:00.885 --> 49:07.852 [SPEAKER_02]: very late teenage to early adult that have decided that this is what they want to do with the time that God has given them. 49:09.634 --> 49:19.003 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say, look for all the crazy things that are in the show, which is kind of what we did and have made it kind of fun because there's a lot of things to write down. 49:21.105 --> 49:23.406 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say, look, look for those things. 49:23.466 --> 49:26.507 [SPEAKER_02]: This is what culture is trying to teach you. 49:27.387 --> 49:30.448 [SPEAKER_02]: And where can we agree as a Christian? 49:30.788 --> 49:35.470 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we talked about the importance of friendship and the beauty that that can be. 49:36.010 --> 49:47.254 [SPEAKER_02]: and working together as a team and where are the things like all of the occult elements and just even the way they consistently snuck in horoscopes in there all the time? 49:47.994 --> 49:48.874 [SPEAKER_02]: Look for that. 49:49.154 --> 49:53.276 [SPEAKER_02]: Make it a buzzword bingo right it down on a piece of paper. 49:53.536 --> 50:00.078 [SPEAKER_02]: Every time you see a that cultic item cross it off because it would honestly make the show more enjoyable which we should 50:06.100 --> 50:09.802 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I might encourage too many people to watch it. 50:09.822 --> 50:10.502 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true. 50:10.542 --> 50:14.965 [SPEAKER_00]: Which craft do you know, yep, no, no, yeah, yeah, I'm a bear politics is not going to do that. 50:15.005 --> 50:15.485 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry. 50:16.425 --> 50:17.066 [SPEAKER_02]: We will not. 50:17.166 --> 50:23.809 [SPEAKER_02]: But some of the world view things that we're in here because I've been more trained in this. 50:24.530 --> 50:24.650 [SPEAKER_02]: It's 50:25.711 --> 50:27.855 [SPEAKER_02]: Really, but not fun to find it. 50:27.975 --> 50:29.939 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, why? 50:29.959 --> 50:32.283 [SPEAKER_02]: It's satisfying like watching Dr. Pimple Puppers. 50:32.303 --> 50:32.904 [SPEAKER_00]: That is fine. 50:33.766 --> 50:35.449 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you're alone on that. 50:36.812 --> 50:39.973 [SPEAKER_00]: You're here, you're welcome to watch that as much as you want. 50:40.053 --> 50:40.713 [SPEAKER_00]: I will allow you. 50:40.733 --> 50:42.013 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think on you can ever hit you. 50:42.033 --> 50:46.274 [SPEAKER_00]: You either loved Dr. Pimple Popper or you're on your, like, grossed out by it. 50:47.094 --> 50:51.115 [SPEAKER_00]: I find oddly satisfying, but yeah, it's like, spot the bad world view. 50:51.615 --> 50:55.316 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for watching our mama bear movie minute as we were talking about. 50:55.416 --> 51:06.258 [SPEAKER_00]: Cove and Academy, the reasons, mostly not to watch it, but what conversations you can have with your kids, if they do decide to watch it, what are some issues, what are some insights, and what are some invitations for conversations, 51:06.878 --> 51:09.085 [SPEAKER_00]: Go forth and discern mama bears. 51:09.507 --> 51:09.727 [SPEAKER_00]: Bye.