WEBVTT 00:13.116 --> 00:15.998 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, welcome back to another episode of Friends From Work. 00:16.298 --> 00:21.920 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host, Kyle Sconowell, and I'm joined by my longtime friend and co-host, Robbie Earl. 00:22.420 --> 00:24.601 [SPEAKER_01]: Robbie, happy Halloween. 00:24.881 --> 00:27.342 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have your plans figured out yet? 00:27.462 --> 00:29.083 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, you guys know what you're going to do? 00:30.612 --> 00:34.414 [SPEAKER_00]: We do, uh, well, we know what we're planning to do. 00:34.474 --> 00:37.196 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that I've yet figured out how to accomplish it. 00:37.416 --> 00:48.002 [SPEAKER_00]: Effectively, but, uh, we are doing, uh, a David Pumpkins theme, uh, date. 00:48.302 --> 00:49.123 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what that is. 00:49.143 --> 00:50.023 [SPEAKER_01]: David, is Pumpkins? 00:51.524 --> 00:51.884 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't. 00:52.244 --> 00:54.806 [SPEAKER_00]: From from Bessadelle, the Tom Hanks sketch. 00:55.682 --> 00:57.723 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you haven't seen a David Pumpkin sketch. 00:57.983 --> 00:58.343 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man. 00:58.383 --> 00:59.223 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to send it to you. 01:00.744 --> 01:05.506 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's one of the best SNL sketches in the last decade. 01:06.966 --> 01:11.028 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, it's really funny, but it's 01:13.112 --> 01:26.562 [SPEAKER_00]: It will make sense for me to explain it so you can tell I send it, but I am dressing up as David Pumpkins and Candace and Betty and Samwise will all be dancing skeletons. 01:28.417 --> 01:30.718 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I can see the picture. 01:30.738 --> 01:31.438 [SPEAKER_01]: I see the picture. 01:31.618 --> 01:32.278 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure. 01:32.318 --> 01:32.538 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:32.578 --> 01:32.738 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:32.758 --> 01:34.859 [SPEAKER_00]: So you can see it's kind of nice. 01:34.879 --> 01:36.139 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to do much to my hair. 01:36.159 --> 01:40.300 [SPEAKER_00]: It naturally gets that effect. 01:40.640 --> 01:50.542 [SPEAKER_00]: So I just the only problem is it was a one-size-fits-all suit that we got, which is like the official SNL merch. 01:50.602 --> 01:52.903 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's like we did the right thing. 01:53.683 --> 01:56.624 [SPEAKER_00]: But it is like it is like I'm wearing 01:58.164 --> 02:01.092 [SPEAKER_00]: a tent like three people could fit inside of that suit. 02:02.034 --> 02:06.125 [SPEAKER_00]: And so we're just trying to figure out we're gonna have to get real creative with the Bobby Penny. 02:07.533 --> 02:08.574 [SPEAKER_01]: Two things I love right now. 02:08.814 --> 02:10.496 [SPEAKER_01]: One, that's so fun. 02:10.656 --> 02:16.141 [SPEAKER_01]: Two, we got a brand new camera, we got a brand new camera on this podcast. 02:16.161 --> 02:19.304 [SPEAKER_01]: And so as you're talking, it's slowly drifting up. 02:19.324 --> 02:23.067 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're not watching right now, I'm looking at Robbie in his face is slowly disappearing. 02:23.107 --> 02:24.469 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going up to the ceiling. 02:24.929 --> 02:27.672 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the game was pulling in very spooky. 02:28.172 --> 02:32.133 [SPEAKER_01]: Look at us getting all high tech, new camera, everything, that's awesome. 02:32.213 --> 02:36.014 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going and trick or cheating, but I don't think it's coordinated at all. 02:36.054 --> 02:42.596 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be Dr. Doom and Anna because something totally related, then my daughter's roomy, the K-pop demon hunter with her program. 02:42.636 --> 02:45.697 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I, uh, 02:46.833 --> 02:47.773 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, it's fun. 02:48.533 --> 02:53.735 [SPEAKER_00]: Last year, we didn't really do anything because Betty was born on the 25th. 02:54.435 --> 02:54.575 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 02:55.895 --> 02:59.336 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't really typically trick or treat with a six-day old? 02:59.696 --> 03:08.578 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, although I thought really hard last year to do a fantastic four thing. 03:09.838 --> 03:12.319 [SPEAKER_00]: And in part, because Betty's due date 03:17.040 --> 03:32.445 [SPEAKER_00]: and she came like 10 days early and we were, I thought that there was a chance we would make it through Halloween and Candice but obviously be very pregnant and so I wanted to go full like suit storm, Franklin. 03:32.465 --> 03:32.626 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 03:33.606 --> 03:37.687 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I could, I could finally fulfill my read Richards, dreams. 03:38.308 --> 03:41.649 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's actually probably the thing, you know. 03:42.649 --> 03:43.229 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah. 03:43.789 --> 03:44.170 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 03:44.230 --> 03:45.010 [SPEAKER_01]: Come up a little bit. 03:45.757 --> 03:47.998 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know where, I don't know where Johnny Storm fits in. 03:49.839 --> 03:55.401 [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of that, by the way, they're showing fantastic four first steps on ABC on December 13th. 03:55.421 --> 04:02.244 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you saw that news interesting before Doomsday, but on network television, like an old school. 04:02.504 --> 04:02.905 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow. 04:02.985 --> 04:05.626 [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of like what they did with like in Smurhol. 04:06.803 --> 04:07.023 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 04:07.424 --> 04:08.326 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that'll be fun. 04:08.726 --> 04:08.847 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 04:08.867 --> 04:12.272 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about vision quest episodes five and six. 04:12.292 --> 04:14.416 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's give our first impressions. 04:15.277 --> 04:15.778 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll start. 04:16.079 --> 04:16.680 [SPEAKER_01]: I loved it. 04:20.053 --> 04:22.175 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think I was talking on a good last night. 04:22.635 --> 04:32.480 [SPEAKER_01]: I loved it and I think I loved it because this is what I meant for me by the two things that I was a little bit uneasy about Tommy and Paladin. 04:33.241 --> 04:38.124 [SPEAKER_01]: You start seeing in these episodes that the show is not fully about that. 04:38.284 --> 04:42.406 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I talked about last week because vision and Tommy had their healing. 04:42.886 --> 04:46.728 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I think you can kind of move forward past the questions they were asking in the first 04:49.510 --> 04:52.892 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that the show starts putting a focus on, and I'm going to blink. 04:52.992 --> 04:54.073 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't go to mess this name up. 04:54.113 --> 04:56.214 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Tanea, Tanea Miller. 04:56.334 --> 04:56.694 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that right? 04:56.835 --> 04:57.615 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know. 04:58.275 --> 05:03.759 [SPEAKER_01]: Jekosta and what Jekosta is trying to do and how all trying to fit in with that and all that stuff. 05:04.059 --> 05:05.720 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, your camera's slowly drifting. 05:06.280 --> 05:08.022 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to need to tape it down or something. 05:09.303 --> 05:23.693 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that it puts a focus on those things, and the show to me starts becoming a little headier almost, not headier, I guess, but it's dealing with larger kind of sci-fi principles. 05:26.095 --> 05:27.696 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just love that. 05:27.776 --> 05:32.500 [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is what Marvel television can be because you're getting 05:33.858 --> 05:40.921 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yes, there's a lot of exposition, but I really enjoy the exposition because it's so tied into the Marvel Cinematic Universe connectivity. 05:41.482 --> 05:48.485 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, you could do a show just on all of the Easter eggs through five and six episodes so far. 05:48.945 --> 05:50.686 [SPEAKER_01]: There's just so many little references. 05:50.986 --> 05:59.951 [SPEAKER_01]: You get your guys showing back up here that you referenced from Iron Man one, but again, as a rival bounty hunter, not as quote unquote, the big bad. 05:59.991 --> 06:00.431 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah. 06:00.931 --> 06:07.755 [SPEAKER_01]: The show is focusing on the things I wanted to focus on, it's connected where I wanted to be connected for me. 06:08.155 --> 06:11.477 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's, it's staying kind of unpredictable. 06:11.757 --> 06:16.259 [SPEAKER_01]: What you think the show's kind of going to be about in the first few episodes, it's not really about here. 06:16.659 --> 06:17.220 [SPEAKER_01]: I really liked it. 06:17.500 --> 06:19.921 [SPEAKER_00]: I love it. 06:19.941 --> 06:23.043 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, no, I had a very similar experience. 06:23.343 --> 06:23.483 [SPEAKER_00]: I, 06:24.608 --> 06:52.421 [SPEAKER_00]: I felt like there were several things that we can talk about in more detail in a second that I had concerns with or maybe just weren't really working for me in the first few episodes that because of the developments here, either like, resolved into something I liked more or kind of retroactively made me more okay with like, yeah, I thought of something 06:53.745 --> 06:54.586 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say that for one second. 06:55.867 --> 06:59.731 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I, are you, are you thinking of, of? 07:00.647 --> 07:09.536 [SPEAKER_01]: Paladins like yeah gal on the chair to come on's way killer right way you shouted out like I don't love that he has this woman That's just always waiting. 07:09.616 --> 07:11.878 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've seen the whole show right I was thinking of myself. 07:12.259 --> 07:19.026 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going to enjoy that that's kind of a fun twist Actually, every time he was hitting the glasses She was readily available. 07:19.286 --> 07:23.830 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I like that she was so willing to jump ship because it's just a computer program 07:24.591 --> 07:25.072 [SPEAKER_00]: I know. 07:25.092 --> 07:26.313 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 07:27.233 --> 07:27.814 [SPEAKER_00]: I like to that. 07:27.854 --> 07:30.436 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it made that way better. 07:32.217 --> 07:35.981 [SPEAKER_00]: I felt a lot better about Paladin in general after these episodes. 07:36.321 --> 07:36.941 [SPEAKER_01]: That's another thing. 07:36.961 --> 07:37.422 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I mean. 07:37.442 --> 07:38.122 [SPEAKER_01]: Another what worked. 07:38.523 --> 07:42.286 [SPEAKER_01]: When you first start, I was like, oh, man, I don't know if I love the mustache twirling. 07:42.306 --> 07:42.786 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 07:42.806 --> 07:44.147 [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like basic villain. 07:44.910 --> 07:48.272 [SPEAKER_01]: But then it's becoming less and less the quote unquote villain. 07:48.732 --> 07:51.393 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like the show is not necessarily about Paladin. 07:51.873 --> 07:53.774 [SPEAKER_01]: He's just kind of a part of the show. 07:53.934 --> 07:55.995 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's sort of a pretty exciting thing. 07:56.015 --> 07:57.996 [SPEAKER_01]: It's putting the emphasis on the right stuff now. 07:58.456 --> 07:59.317 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. 07:59.477 --> 08:11.162 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so I think my first impression, the headline for me, I think episode six is probably my favorite so far. 08:13.021 --> 08:17.786 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was looking around a little bit to see kind of what the reception was. 08:17.906 --> 08:22.070 [SPEAKER_00]: And I saw, I think that it's also the highest rated on IMDB at the moment. 08:22.190 --> 08:24.212 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like the season of the season of the season. 08:24.893 --> 08:25.193 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow. 08:25.233 --> 08:25.694 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 08:26.054 --> 08:30.078 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think I'm totally out of, out of, uh, left field there, right? 08:30.138 --> 08:30.498 [SPEAKER_00]: I think. 08:31.607 --> 08:44.771 [SPEAKER_00]: uh, there's a case to be made for either of these episodes as being really strong highlights for the series because I think episode five has such great stuff with spader in particular. 08:45.712 --> 08:52.614 [SPEAKER_00]: And and six, but I think five is like almost all, it was almost like a Loki season one finale thing where it's all conversation. 08:53.474 --> 08:56.095 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's so uh, like 09:01.989 --> 09:12.162 [SPEAKER_00]: So like both of them were doing such a phenomenal job, but I think that for me, I loved how that then set up Episode six and then episode six. 09:12.182 --> 09:18.450 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought really had a lot of what I would want out of a Marvel television show to your point opening up. 09:18.690 --> 09:20.373 [SPEAKER_00]: So for me, like 09:21.532 --> 09:33.786 [SPEAKER_00]: my initial impression here was, I would say as positive, this is made my favorite week so far covering this series. 09:34.347 --> 09:36.950 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, me too. 09:37.370 --> 09:37.551 [SPEAKER_01]: And, 09:38.765 --> 09:43.329 [SPEAKER_01]: We got a couple of, we got a few things of feedback that people were upset, not upset. 09:43.709 --> 09:49.794 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think some of our listeners didn't enjoy that we didn't love the first four episodes as much as people seem to be. 09:50.815 --> 09:52.657 [SPEAKER_01]: And I really liked them. 09:53.177 --> 10:04.126 [SPEAKER_01]: I gotta give a tiny disclaimer and say, I have been in a weird spot because I did feel that way through four, but I love the show as a whole because of what they do five, six, seven and eight. 10:04.327 --> 10:05.488 [SPEAKER_01]: But I couldn't talk about that. 10:06.048 --> 10:09.610 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a little bit of a weird thing where I feel like some of the things you were bringing up. 10:09.770 --> 10:14.373 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yeah, but they they fix that or they retroactively do that, but I didn't want to spoil it. 10:14.814 --> 10:16.115 [SPEAKER_01]: So I just want to be clear. 10:16.195 --> 10:17.035 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the series. 10:17.355 --> 10:17.736 [SPEAKER_01]: I love it. 10:18.096 --> 10:19.517 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's some of the best stuff they've made. 10:20.838 --> 10:28.022 [SPEAKER_01]: You and I had this unique experience as well where at this moment or sorry, sorry, last week through four episodes we talked in New York. 10:28.062 --> 10:28.783 [SPEAKER_01]: I had watched four. 10:29.443 --> 10:31.964 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, ah, it's really good. 10:32.004 --> 10:35.006 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks amazing, all this stuff, but I'm just not quite connecting with it. 10:35.366 --> 10:39.868 [SPEAKER_01]: And then that night, we interviewed Emily, and then I washed all the rest of it. 10:40.068 --> 10:41.609 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we went to that coffee shop. 10:41.629 --> 10:45.331 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, ah, it's pretty, it's pretty great. 10:45.791 --> 10:46.331 [SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty great. 10:46.351 --> 10:50.853 [SPEAKER_01]: And so again, that was like the, that's the weird thing of where I paused and how I watched it. 10:50.873 --> 10:52.994 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just saying, I loved it. 10:53.054 --> 10:55.816 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry if I didn't give enough praise last week. 10:55.836 --> 10:56.136 [SPEAKER_01]: You know? 10:56.916 --> 11:00.497 [SPEAKER_00]: We got a two star Apple review that really didn't like that we didn't like. 11:00.577 --> 11:00.937 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. 11:01.377 --> 11:06.398 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it was like I'm ready to jump ship now because they just don't like this and how can they not like this. 11:06.438 --> 11:06.919 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, wow. 11:07.179 --> 11:10.139 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, we get it's just, you know, we get crushed if we're shills. 11:10.319 --> 11:11.280 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't that's the funny thing. 11:11.340 --> 11:13.360 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know, I know, because I was critical. 11:13.680 --> 11:19.622 [SPEAKER_00]: I normally don't see our reviews, but we were putting together a deck for something the other day. 11:19.642 --> 11:20.262 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was looking. 11:21.242 --> 11:21.883 [SPEAKER_00]: And you saw it. 11:22.604 --> 11:23.545 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I didn't see that one. 11:23.765 --> 11:25.087 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that was pretty after that. 11:25.167 --> 11:30.693 [SPEAKER_00]: But I saw several that were like, these guys love everything. 11:30.994 --> 11:32.896 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything Marvel does their obsessed with. 11:32.996 --> 11:34.237 [SPEAKER_00]: No critical feedback. 11:34.318 --> 11:37.842 [SPEAKER_00]: So it is just, you know, damned if you do I suppose. 11:38.514 --> 11:42.897 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, people on this quarter, like, oh, can't wait for them to talk about how it's another lamentess. 11:42.917 --> 11:46.600 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, okay, everyone calm down, just a tidy bit. 11:46.620 --> 11:47.761 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone calm down. 11:48.441 --> 11:50.362 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I have so many things I want to praise. 11:50.423 --> 11:51.904 [SPEAKER_01]: Like specifics, I got two pages of notes. 11:52.224 --> 11:53.685 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into some friendly feedback. 11:53.705 --> 11:57.988 [SPEAKER_01]: But first, I want to tell you that today's episode is brought to you by our friends at panel. 11:58.488 --> 11:59.729 [SPEAKER_01]: bound comics. 11:59.869 --> 12:00.670 [SPEAKER_01]: I see you out there. 12:01.010 --> 12:03.833 [SPEAKER_01]: I see you out there ordering stuff from Panabound comics and I love it. 12:04.113 --> 12:05.634 [SPEAKER_01]: Use our promo code friends from work. 12:05.655 --> 12:07.236 [SPEAKER_01]: You've heard us talk about them a ton. 12:07.596 --> 12:10.959 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll keep it short today, but we're going through comics over on friends from work plus. 12:10.979 --> 12:13.001 [SPEAKER_01]: So I know a few people are reading along with us. 12:13.281 --> 12:15.383 [SPEAKER_01]: Panabound comics has got stuff back in stock. 12:15.703 --> 12:16.664 [SPEAKER_01]: promo code friends from work. 12:16.684 --> 12:17.645 [SPEAKER_01]: Anything you want to add, Rob? 12:18.025 --> 12:24.751 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to say, and I know we have Halloween coming up, but this is going to be the last time I can tell people this before. 12:25.693 --> 12:27.991 [SPEAKER_00]: It's too late to order it. 12:30.033 --> 12:32.494 [SPEAKER_00]: We do have the fifth of November coming as well. 12:33.274 --> 12:36.254 [SPEAKER_00]: And remember, remember, you got to remember, I'm, you got to. 12:36.775 --> 12:43.756 [SPEAKER_00]: I am going to, as always, have my November fifth watch of the event that I've watched every year. 12:44.516 --> 12:46.597 [SPEAKER_00]: I tried to, I don't think I did last year. 12:46.617 --> 12:51.718 [SPEAKER_00]: 2024 was very strange because November fifth was election day. 12:52.538 --> 12:58.420 [SPEAKER_00]: And so instead of watching the election results, I just watched FIFA Vendetta, which is weirdly fitting. 13:00.620 --> 13:11.707 [SPEAKER_00]: I do like watching it every year if I can because I think that movie is so good, but this year was my first time finally reading the comic. 13:11.727 --> 13:15.510 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually tried reading it like years ago and just didn't really get into it. 13:16.350 --> 13:35.287 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I read it like I picked it up randomly this summer flew through it and I have been meaning to order like the really nice big hardcover edition because the art is really gorgeous and also it's very wordy and so when you read like a smaller version it's kind of just hard to see everything. 13:36.368 --> 13:47.493 [SPEAKER_00]: So I actually ordered a copy on panel bound comics the other day, like two days ago because they have a big sale on those special editions of DC Comics like that. 13:47.633 --> 13:57.337 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is my, so you can remember remember you can remember this is your time order now so that you have it you know if it's November fifth and you don't have that what are you going to what are you going to do. 13:58.238 --> 13:58.458 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. 13:59.238 --> 14:00.759 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I'm friendly feedback. 14:01.279 --> 14:03.780 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to start by praising the show's creativity. 14:05.122 --> 14:13.031 [SPEAKER_01]: One thing that I think is fun is they've done kind of these isolated episodes that all have a different tone. 14:13.271 --> 14:22.562 [SPEAKER_01]: If you remember, I think it was episode four was kind of a buddy cop thing where vision and all tron are on the case, detective type stuff, and they're going out and looking for things. 14:23.322 --> 14:24.904 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that here you get this. 14:25.845 --> 14:33.569 [SPEAKER_01]: In episode five, I don't know you'd call it, but this almost like exposition, but instead of just sitting there and telling us, it's kind of cool. 14:33.589 --> 14:36.010 [SPEAKER_01]: It's in black and white because they're watching it through a screen. 14:36.030 --> 14:44.935 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're getting like this out-of-body vision commenting on this experience kind of thing, almost again kind of the detective thing. 14:44.975 --> 14:52.198 [SPEAKER_01]: But a different vibe and creativity abounding with the black and white thing and vision pausing it at certain spots. 14:52.759 --> 14:54.299 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the whole 14:55.440 --> 14:57.682 [SPEAKER_01]: visualize all the AI stuff. 14:57.722 --> 15:18.998 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about his AI agent being found and she's like he's cheap, he's got me, he doesn't like the new update so he's got me in a Turkmenistan like field and how about like the firewall, like letting down the firewall and what that would mean which someone walking into the digital, like going out of the house into the digital space and then looking like the original Ultron. 15:19.218 --> 15:19.739 [SPEAKER_01]: My point is you 15:20.139 --> 15:27.521 [SPEAKER_01]: I could go on and on and on and on and then like I love the flashes of whenever you see the y'all try on robots in their true form. 15:27.962 --> 15:41.226 [SPEAKER_01]: So like they're they're kissing as their avatars and then it zooms out to them head to head but as robots I love the commentary on like today's day and age AI is so much a part of my life like it's talked about so much in my daily life. 15:41.586 --> 15:41.786 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 15:41.846 --> 15:44.487 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that they're flirting with all these things like 15:45.367 --> 15:49.188 [SPEAKER_01]: There's stories in real life of people being nervous about AI being sent in all this stuff. 15:49.468 --> 16:03.691 [SPEAKER_01]: And so to have like them discovering what it means to be human in a conversation and like being able to learn how to taste the liquor because that it's my point is there's just so many creative ways that they've gone about handling this. 16:03.892 --> 16:05.172 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think as another thing is that 16:06.052 --> 16:11.357 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not an action-heavy show at all, and yet I find myself very intrigued. 16:11.477 --> 16:21.985 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a perfect way to fit it in the MCU as a television show without having to blow your budget on a bunch of stuff while still never feeling like they're shying away from it. 16:22.005 --> 16:33.455 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like there's a story reason why visions not flying around shooting lasers yet, or why, I just, I do feel like it's balancing that and the creativity. 16:34.703 --> 16:39.006 [SPEAKER_01]: is what the creativity and attention to detail on this stuff is what I appreciate. 16:39.987 --> 16:42.268 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I totally agree. 16:42.288 --> 16:52.455 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that there were, this is the first time a couple of things really came together for me and 16:54.441 --> 16:59.542 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's the thing about watching the stuff week to week or not. 17:00.303 --> 17:15.587 [SPEAKER_00]: And I still like watching a week to week because, you know, sometimes there are things that you, that like I like to not know what something's doing and then be surprised, I thought, like, the part of the reason, like the first 17:19.824 --> 17:23.669 [SPEAKER_01]: Which, by the way, I feel like we gave good reviews to the episodes. 17:24.290 --> 17:25.512 [SPEAKER_00]: It's... 17:25.592 --> 17:28.956 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I shouldn't have told you that because I know it's going to be in your head. 17:30.198 --> 17:31.059 [SPEAKER_01]: I know the way you think. 17:35.405 --> 17:36.486 [SPEAKER_01]: I want you to speak your mind. 17:37.167 --> 17:38.728 [SPEAKER_01]: If you don't like it, you don't like it if you love it. 17:38.748 --> 17:39.128 [SPEAKER_01]: You love it. 17:39.168 --> 17:39.588 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine. 17:39.708 --> 17:42.049 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to manufacture something trying to please people. 17:42.089 --> 17:44.629 [SPEAKER_00]: So go ahead. 17:44.689 --> 17:53.652 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say what are the other reviews that I saw that just made me laugh was someone said something like these guys just like don't know anything about Marvel. 17:54.953 --> 18:04.596 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I told Candace I was like, man, there are a lot of there are a lot of critiques that I make of myself that I would absolutely 18:07.157 --> 18:11.038 [SPEAKER_01]: I sometimes I quit knowledge, that I quit knowledge is probably not wonderful. 18:11.599 --> 18:22.783 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was I wish that I put the amount of, like if I knew as much about the law as I know about the Marvel universe, I would be arguing in front of Supreme Court like every day. 18:24.434 --> 18:31.179 [SPEAKER_00]: I promise you, there are some consequences to the amount of time that I've spent thinking about marble things. 18:32.641 --> 18:35.683 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I don't know the comics, but I've watched these movies a lot. 18:35.823 --> 18:37.184 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm on a full rewatch again. 18:37.725 --> 18:39.126 [SPEAKER_01]: How many times have I full rewatched? 18:39.666 --> 18:41.567 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, just finished cards of the galaxy volume three. 18:41.968 --> 18:42.228 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no. 18:42.248 --> 18:43.209 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's not what that's on point. 18:43.449 --> 18:46.271 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I need to, I actually restarted my recently as well. 18:46.391 --> 18:47.712 [SPEAKER_00]: But, okay, I'm not going to get a sidetracked. 18:48.072 --> 18:51.274 [SPEAKER_00]: My, what I really do love about these episodes, though, is it? 18:51.895 --> 19:01.322 [SPEAKER_00]: It goes from four episodes that I thought were well done, were interesting, like, all the stuff we said about Betney being great, spader being great, the mindset looking cool, 19:02.305 --> 19:10.028 [SPEAKER_00]: like the adamanty and bullets like all the stuff that was that was coming together in a cool way in terms of certain execution pieces. 19:11.548 --> 19:26.834 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought for episodes in it wasn't super clear to me what this show was actually about like not not in that it was aimless or that it was like all over the place. 19:27.800 --> 19:44.187 [SPEAKER_00]: like I knew that it was you know visions trying to figure out what it is to rediscover humanity or his soul or who he was, how to feel the things that he remembers how to translate knowledge into and to feeling. 19:45.428 --> 19:50.910 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're still exploring that stuff now and so there's a nice through line. 19:51.370 --> 19:55.132 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that there are a couple of moments in episode five and six where it's like, 19:56.933 --> 20:14.052 [SPEAKER_00]: like this show actually there's a bit of a thesis that's developing here like there's a there's a take on the AI question that that feels like they're like they're wrestling with not just 20:15.505 --> 20:27.702 [SPEAKER_00]: What Age of Ultron wrestled with, uh, which was, you know, the dangers of AI and how it can kind of run a mock in some of the, like, the, uh, 20:29.610 --> 20:54.032 [SPEAKER_00]: Like tension between like human freedom and agency and individuality and the destruction that comes with that and Like the merit to all-terons argument like that was kind of the initial thing and now they're doing this like Okay, what if it's not AI versus machine versus people and that like the machines destroy the people 20:55.411 --> 21:19.616 [SPEAKER_00]: What if it is like the people actually need a little bit more of like whatever the AI is bringing like this idea of like do we inject more of that into humanity and does that actually make humans better not like leveling them up as superheroes, but does it make them 21:20.805 --> 21:40.905 [SPEAKER_00]: like more rational doesn't make them kinder does it make kind of like pluribus a little bit yeah like a shared hive mind means no crime no whatever you know and and like pluribus I think that it's not it's not endorsing that view that's it's the villain that is exploring that but I think it's a really interesting contrast 21:41.842 --> 21:57.148 [SPEAKER_00]: to what Ultron's plan was and I think that the way that that Spader and Miller have that discussion is pretty fascinating and it's very nuanced and it works because Ultron is in a different spot now like she multiple times. 21:57.808 --> 22:17.939 [SPEAKER_01]: comments on how he appreciates their art now and because he's been bested by them there's a part of him that's the coin flip right like you don't know if he's better good there's a part of him that appreciates humanity like he even says like I don't want to destroy him anymore like laugh at him yes all this stuff but like I'm not so he's more willing to think about this evolution and then from her perspective 22:18.679 --> 22:19.259 [SPEAKER_01]: You caught this. 22:19.299 --> 22:38.388 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure she started this whole thing when she was alive as like a healing agent basically like right she wants to make like a chip in your head that would help diagnose when you're you're early catching of cancer or whatever and it could catch that stuff and heal it or whatever and so this is kind of just a step further. 22:48.292 --> 23:05.554 [SPEAKER_00]: No, so if it works, it does and I think that there is also, there's also this thread that I think is being pulled on and I really like the pacing of it when it comes to ultra on's development like I 23:06.740 --> 23:25.813 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I, I was a little nervous sometimes, not because of anything the show was doing, but just because of things other shows and movies have done, like, there's that moment when the guy that was the villain becomes the kind of anti-hero or ally or unpredictable, like, 23:26.842 --> 23:48.889 [SPEAKER_00]: towing the line between good and evil character, where they'll suddenly, they get de-fanged in such an extreme way, where it's like, it's kind of, I think, what I talked about at one point, like, the way I felt about Loki at certain moments in Ragnarok, where I thought, 23:50.608 --> 23:55.189 [SPEAKER_00]: I loved the way that, like, the kind of menace that he brought to that character really on. 23:55.889 --> 24:01.791 [SPEAKER_00]: And I ultimately love what they did with that and how it leads into infinity war and then leads into Loki the series. 24:02.291 --> 24:16.134 [SPEAKER_00]: But there were times where I was like, man, like, I feel a little bit like he's been turned into primarily like comic relief when there was kind of the great foil with Thor earlier on. 24:20.989 --> 24:22.170 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, goofy old Ultron. 24:22.190 --> 24:34.559 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember how he almost killed everybody and now he's like grandpa upstairs and I think that it's been really They've been really smart with how they've done that where 24:35.509 --> 24:38.971 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't know how much he's putting an act on. 24:39.871 --> 24:40.832 [SPEAKER_00]: Vision doesn't know. 24:41.272 --> 24:43.253 [SPEAKER_00]: Ultron doesn't seem to totally know. 24:43.913 --> 24:52.757 [SPEAKER_00]: I love the line for vision about like you are the coin because like you're afraid, like you have to stay in the air because if you ever land, then everyone knows what you are and what you're not. 24:53.558 --> 24:56.980 [SPEAKER_00]: And you see that kind of resonate with him. 24:57.500 --> 25:03.603 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like you feel that there is actually some real tension within the character, 25:05.010 --> 25:07.731 [SPEAKER_01]: And I love the best part of the show because you can't guess it. 25:08.251 --> 25:16.435 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, you can't guess it and you actually do, you feel like he is actively wrestling with it. 25:17.255 --> 25:19.957 [SPEAKER_00]: And that goes back to something we said earlier. 25:20.177 --> 25:22.418 [SPEAKER_01]: Like when he says, when he says, not the boy. 25:23.576 --> 25:25.578 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's actually him carrying. 25:25.998 --> 25:32.723 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I actually don't want to kill this kid, but then he's like, because vision will come after us and I can't stop him. 25:33.023 --> 25:39.147 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's like, okay, is that just a really strong BS excuse because you don't want the boy killed? 25:39.428 --> 25:40.208 [SPEAKER_01]: Or is that true? 25:40.248 --> 25:43.671 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're actually afraid vision could be strong enough that you wouldn't be doing anything about it. 25:44.011 --> 25:45.032 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's my point, you don't know. 25:45.292 --> 25:49.615 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a little hint of maybe he cares enough now to not kill him, that's the coin flip. 25:50.436 --> 25:51.716 [SPEAKER_01]: But then it's like, well, no, that's actually 25:53.083 --> 26:04.715 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you can like, I mean, yeah, my read is that it's because he actually cares about him, but I think that you could, it feels valid, like, you can imagine her buying that excuse. 26:06.817 --> 26:11.462 [SPEAKER_00]: I also, I just, I, I, I love how much 26:12.723 --> 26:23.086 [SPEAKER_00]: this show is interested in exploring and digging into stuff from age of Ultron, which obviously they would need to make him such a pivotal point. 26:23.646 --> 26:30.287 [SPEAKER_00]: But like, when you look back at that movie, part of the reason I love that character 26:37.998 --> 26:43.102 [SPEAKER_00]: with Wanda and Pietro at the very beginning when he first meets them and they're kind of explaining his story. 26:44.623 --> 26:49.247 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, ultra, I don't think Ultron is manipulating them there. 26:49.407 --> 26:58.414 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think Ultron actually is kind of moved on some level by their story and them being orphaned in that way. 26:58.434 --> 27:02.017 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think at the very end, when like, 27:03.267 --> 27:23.772 [SPEAKER_00]: when Wanda is taking his heart, you know, whatever, out and killing him, and he, they have kind of this tender from his perspective, conversation, she's mad because he just killed her brother, but it's like he actually is kind of having this moment of, 27:24.687 --> 27:50.942 [SPEAKER_00]: of connection and there's something where it's like, you know, like one that you'll die if you don't get out of here, where you, there are, there are elements of him actually trying even then to connect to people and to kind of figure out what that looks like and how he can both accomplish what he views as his directive. 27:51.974 --> 28:00.358 [SPEAKER_01]: from Tony and Bruce and the humanity piece of all Tron is what makes him really fun and unique even there. 28:01.178 --> 28:02.679 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I love the shows exploring that. 28:02.699 --> 28:03.219 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, keep going. 28:03.359 --> 28:05.220 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, like that that's that's what makes him. 28:07.287 --> 28:13.973 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a totally different take right to have a robot not be like, I'm going to destroy it, but he's actually stark. 28:13.993 --> 28:16.055 [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, oh, I bet that hurts. 28:16.335 --> 28:16.956 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry. 28:16.976 --> 28:17.917 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 28:18.017 --> 28:18.477 [SPEAKER_01]: That'll be okay. 28:18.518 --> 28:18.958 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure. 28:19.058 --> 28:20.219 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that kind of stuff. 28:20.259 --> 28:20.439 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 28:20.479 --> 28:23.262 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, like compared to Loki even, right? 28:23.302 --> 28:25.204 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we're like, you don't get anything like that. 28:25.304 --> 28:26.565 [SPEAKER_00]: And Avengers. 28:26.885 --> 28:27.566 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah. 28:27.606 --> 28:27.866 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 28:28.567 --> 28:30.188 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we know Loki's motivation. 28:31.047 --> 28:39.450 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's it's explored really well later, but it's like I like that for him going even more of the fantasies just come on guys don't leave. 28:39.570 --> 28:42.010 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, like yeah. 28:42.091 --> 28:47.732 [SPEAKER_00]: And the other thing that I like about it is again, if you're looking at him as the 28:57.252 --> 29:12.238 [SPEAKER_00]: legacy like Tony's offspring, you know, like the the like there's several lines like that visions like he hates you horse of all uh Tony's like junior stroke in your old man's heart and it's like I think 29:13.275 --> 29:28.553 [SPEAKER_00]: if you look at it that way too and even some of the stuff that we get in in these episodes where they talk about jacostas kind of rage finding out that this thing she created for healing has been sold to weapons manufacturer pause on that a second I'm coming back to that. 29:29.384 --> 29:32.427 [SPEAKER_00]: Tony and Tony had a similar journey is my point. 29:32.447 --> 29:51.246 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, when you meet Tony, he is pretty callous and has this very kind of like, I mean, like the famous scene at the very start, like the interview where he's talking about, like, you know, what do you think paid for all these developments? 29:51.266 --> 29:53.188 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, weapons, it's very kind of, 29:54.973 --> 30:07.937 [SPEAKER_00]: big picture like ends justify the means and that sort of the the Tony outlook that slowly evolves into something like deeper by the end of his journey. 30:08.517 --> 30:21.362 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I also think it kind of makes sense that Ultron who starts very much in the most calist version of Tony and the most kind of calculating like genius I see the solution and I'm just going to go for that regardless of of 30:23.487 --> 30:28.592 [SPEAKER_00]: what the collateral damage will be, it makes sense that he would not just end there. 30:28.692 --> 30:41.423 [SPEAKER_00]: He would also, if given enough time, start to develop further and not be kind of a one-note villain, in the same way that Tony is not a one-note hero. 30:42.123 --> 30:44.806 [SPEAKER_01]: And in that way, it's a very logical step in the shell, right? 30:45.626 --> 30:46.948 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, it makes sense. 30:47.028 --> 30:49.430 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, they planted the seeds for all that stuff well, too. 30:50.583 --> 30:52.986 [SPEAKER_01]: And they looked at that from 2015. 30:53.286 --> 31:00.993 [SPEAKER_01]: They took the hints that Josh Wheaton had put in there and then they said, what would be the next logical step if he was trapped? 31:01.894 --> 31:04.957 [SPEAKER_01]: And this feels like such a perfect continuation of that. 31:04.997 --> 31:05.457 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you. 31:06.178 --> 31:09.201 [SPEAKER_01]: because he's exploring his humanity, he's always been interested in that. 31:09.281 --> 31:11.162 [SPEAKER_01]: So I love all of that stuff. 31:11.203 --> 31:11.743 [SPEAKER_01]: How much it? 31:12.143 --> 31:13.484 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I was actually kind of moved. 31:13.525 --> 31:16.307 [SPEAKER_01]: My wife was like, oh, it's so cute. 31:16.407 --> 31:18.949 [SPEAKER_01]: When he actually got to taste the drink. 31:19.670 --> 31:21.692 [SPEAKER_01]: And then like just the way he sat down like this. 31:22.672 --> 31:28.458 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like holding it with two hands and like doing like a lot and then took another like big gulp, not just like a sip. 31:29.639 --> 31:40.016 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then obviously kisses her, like this is him being like, again, exploring what it means to be human, uh, it, it's, it's so cool. 31:40.416 --> 31:40.957 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so cool. 31:41.077 --> 31:42.059 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I mean, too, by, 31:43.255 --> 31:49.840 [SPEAKER_01]: that is kind of my overarching takeaway from the whole series and the theme is like this idea of what does it mean to be human. 31:50.400 --> 31:54.563 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not sure you get a ton of that right away in the show. 31:55.244 --> 31:59.867 [SPEAKER_01]: And so once that starts becoming the thing, that's when I just liked it a little bit more. 32:01.068 --> 32:06.953 [SPEAKER_01]: I said pause on that because we were sitting at a coffee shop in New York City and I said to you, 32:08.290 --> 32:13.652 [SPEAKER_01]: There's something I think might be kind of controversial that happens in the middle of the show. 32:14.332 --> 32:17.073 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm curious, I don't feel this way anymore on a second watch. 32:17.133 --> 32:18.733 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious to our listeners out there. 32:19.153 --> 32:21.114 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious from any reviews from other people. 32:21.494 --> 32:29.957 [SPEAKER_01]: Did anyone find the fact that Jakosta or whatever her name was, was it caring to him? 32:29.997 --> 32:30.717 [SPEAKER_01]: What's her real name? 32:30.857 --> 32:31.597 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Joe. 32:31.737 --> 32:32.278 [SPEAKER_01]: Kerington. 32:32.418 --> 32:36.599 [SPEAKER_01]: Joker, that they invented the first Jarvis and then sold it to Tony. 32:37.695 --> 32:45.999 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was kind of like an infinity stones like rewriting, like for people, does that minimise Tony's work to people? 32:46.019 --> 32:46.199 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 32:46.359 --> 32:49.620 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I thought it would seem to be commenting on that, so maybe it's not a thing. 32:49.960 --> 32:56.924 [SPEAKER_01]: When I first saw, I was like, oh, are they going to retroactively kind of downplayed Tony Stark's genius by saying he just purchased it? 32:57.164 --> 32:58.184 [SPEAKER_01]: Which makes sense. 32:58.204 --> 33:01.926 [SPEAKER_01]: That is how a lot of this stuff happens with billionaires in real life anyways. 33:02.706 --> 33:04.708 [SPEAKER_01]: And it also, you could, I got on the second watch. 33:04.728 --> 33:15.676 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yeah, but even if he bought that first code, he clearly then turned it into what we know is Jarvis, and like, Ultron clearly was an evolution that only he created, you know, et cetera. 33:16.516 --> 33:19.038 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, but I don't know that catch it. 33:19.258 --> 33:19.999 [SPEAKER_01]: Does it look serious out there? 33:20.019 --> 33:22.841 [SPEAKER_01]: Did that catch anyone else or not? 33:22.961 --> 33:24.142 [SPEAKER_00]: I definitely thought about that. 33:24.342 --> 33:29.666 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was, that's one of the things I was thinking about when I turned it off last night. 33:32.060 --> 33:37.724 [SPEAKER_00]: One, I, you know, I kind of like the idea that Tony is not. 33:39.506 --> 33:42.908 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's not like, oh, he's not a god. 33:42.928 --> 33:48.112 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not all knowing everything ever, you know, he's a weapons dealer like that's not an AI thing. 33:48.412 --> 33:52.155 [SPEAKER_01]: So to me, it's like, in the sense that he's smart enough as a business man to go, let's buy it. 33:53.222 --> 33:56.086 [SPEAKER_01]: But he's not grinding AI creation when we see him. 33:56.406 --> 33:56.867 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think. 33:57.668 --> 34:12.285 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and he wouldn't be like, like, it makes sense that to go all-in on that would be a, like, one of the times it doesn't seem like, yeah, and Tony at that stage in his life, whenever we meet Jarvis, 34:13.923 --> 34:19.385 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't seem like he would have been building something for just the pure fulfillment of it. 34:19.805 --> 34:23.146 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, which is kind of what I think that would require. 34:23.826 --> 34:27.467 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, but I do think that he obviously made it his own. 34:27.587 --> 34:35.050 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's where I think it tracks with what we know about Tony, because it's like you think about, again, the first Avengers movie. 34:36.029 --> 34:46.707 [SPEAKER_00]: He has no background with gamma radiation or the test director anything, but it's like they give him the briefing and it's like, what am I the only one that did the homework? 34:47.328 --> 34:48.710 [SPEAKER_00]: And he kind of has, he can now. 34:49.685 --> 35:06.136 [SPEAKER_00]: kind of go toe to toe with banner and talk through it where it's like he's not automatically capable of being an expert in anyone field, but when given something like that, you then see him tinker with it and get into it and he's smart enough to be able to get his head around it. 35:06.216 --> 35:10.700 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't think he would have ever cracked like the time travel piece. 35:11.850 --> 35:27.161 [SPEAKER_00]: if you didn't have Scott laying like bring him the pin particle element like quantum around part of that and then you you see Tony like going on that road but you don't it's not like Tony would have just like sat there and come up with time travel. 35:27.962 --> 35:35.928 [SPEAKER_00]: So to me it fits with him more as like the engineer than the inventor if that makes sense. 35:36.668 --> 35:38.130 [SPEAKER_00]: Like so I like that and you 35:42.602 --> 35:58.849 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a powerful origin, I'm really curious to see how all of this is going to link back to Jim Hammond and that original human torch prototype because I'm starting 36:05.615 --> 36:07.217 [SPEAKER_00]: down there and they've been revealed. 36:07.978 --> 36:14.304 [SPEAKER_01]: And they said, um, they brought up Phineas Horton that name again, which I literally had never heard that name to you brought it up. 36:15.425 --> 36:16.847 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, in episode six, they brought it up. 36:17.727 --> 36:18.408 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's hit quick break. 36:18.648 --> 36:23.754 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to go through these notes kind of rapid fire again, because I was just some miscellaneous things that don't fit into categories. 36:23.774 --> 36:23.994 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 36:24.314 --> 36:24.775 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be right back. 36:24.795 --> 36:24.995 [SPEAKER_00]: Nice. 36:39.943 --> 36:44.208 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, this is going to be a little bit of a merging of our friendly feedback. 36:44.648 --> 36:56.662 [SPEAKER_01]: What worked and what didn't work, a little bit of a merging from a friend because I'm going to read some of the discord comments from people and by the way, who want to be a part of some online chatter, you can go to our website, the ffwpodcast.com and on. 36:57.343 --> 36:59.726 [SPEAKER_01]: Once you enter the site, there's a link there to join the Discord. 36:59.746 --> 37:00.307 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of fun. 37:00.327 --> 37:02.029 [SPEAKER_01]: A few hundred people chatting about Marvel stuff. 37:02.049 --> 37:04.552 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to get your theories out, it's a good place to do it. 37:04.752 --> 37:08.997 [SPEAKER_01]: And then some MCU greater tie-ins here will also be. 37:09.017 --> 37:10.759 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're merging three segments here. 37:11.885 --> 37:17.791 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, to put a tiny bit of a bow, I'll go quick on this stuff to put a bow on Ultron's humanity. 37:17.991 --> 37:19.973 [SPEAKER_01]: I loved that he brought up. 37:20.273 --> 37:27.760 [SPEAKER_01]: There's grace in their failings and vision watching him say that, it's just chef's kiss beautiful. 37:28.120 --> 37:36.624 [SPEAKER_01]: not only a call out to obviously to age of Ultron from 2015, but also that he's learned a little bit, like he heard vision in that moment. 37:37.065 --> 37:44.088 [SPEAKER_01]: In the moment he's like, well, you're unbearably naive, but now sitting back, he's like, now there is grace in their feelings. 37:44.228 --> 37:44.989 [SPEAKER_01]: He was right about that. 37:45.189 --> 37:45.389 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 37:46.869 --> 37:47.650 [SPEAKER_01]: I felt like, 37:48.913 --> 37:52.995 [SPEAKER_01]: Mick Jikino did a really good job to the first four episodes. 37:53.075 --> 38:00.860 [SPEAKER_01]: And like, we haven't talked enough about how cool the title sequences, like how they cut to it every time and like all the little pixelation things and then vision question, it's amazing. 38:01.240 --> 38:02.881 [SPEAKER_01]: He's done good music with that stuff. 38:02.901 --> 38:13.607 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the heroic themes, I thought that from this point on episode 5678, he kind of turns a cornered because he gets to do a little bit more of the epic kind of dark thing here. 38:14.048 --> 38:15.669 [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought it was really great. 38:18.948 --> 38:20.869 [SPEAKER_01]: I felt like the first half average. 38:21.569 --> 38:26.472 [SPEAKER_01]: The second half, he gets the dial into some stuff that just really, like, go back and listen to something. 38:26.492 --> 38:29.194 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're going to like some of the school stuff, what the, what the dread. 38:29.874 --> 38:45.002 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought some of the, whenever she's telling her story about inventing those little, whatever nano, bot things, he's doing some kind of swells that are like really like, 38:49.594 --> 38:55.917 [SPEAKER_00]: build to it and then it will sort of like, it swells all at once, and then it would like go quiet again. 38:55.937 --> 39:10.404 [SPEAKER_00]: And it has this very, like, it reminds me a bit of the, like, the birth of vision stuff that we got from, like, L-O-N, and Brian Tyler. 39:10.424 --> 39:12.765 [SPEAKER_01]: And Angel Ultra. 39:12.785 --> 39:14.186 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. 39:14.226 --> 39:16.227 [SPEAKER_00]: But like, yeah, I mean, we, 39:20.973 --> 39:25.335 [SPEAKER_00]: We have to talk about the use of the Spider-Man theme. 39:25.875 --> 39:33.158 [SPEAKER_01]: Do we, we've done this together for so freaking long and I still get stunned when we are in the Zack same head space. 39:33.178 --> 39:34.098 [SPEAKER_01]: That's unbelievable. 39:34.478 --> 39:43.042 [SPEAKER_01]: That was my next transition, which is like, I feel like I caught a tiny little Spider-Man shout out musically when she gives the actual shout out. 39:43.142 --> 39:43.742 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me about it. 39:43.802 --> 39:46.063 [SPEAKER_01]: My first boss was a teenage guy. 39:46.903 --> 39:52.966 [SPEAKER_01]: which, again, they probably can't say Spider-Man because of rights and whatever, but that's all I'm looking for. 39:53.186 --> 39:54.526 [SPEAKER_01]: Little things like that is all I need. 39:54.847 --> 39:55.947 [SPEAKER_01]: It makes sense in the story. 39:56.147 --> 39:56.967 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't feel forced. 39:57.007 --> 39:59.128 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not extra, but you get that little, little shoutout. 39:59.348 --> 40:00.929 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, there's a little musical cue, isn't there? 40:01.129 --> 40:02.050 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I caught something. 40:02.750 --> 40:05.271 [SPEAKER_01]: Just a little shoutout to his dad, I think. 40:05.491 --> 40:06.532 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go back and look into that. 40:08.130 --> 40:26.695 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I also love all the little glitch type editing they did like when jacosta sends that nano robot thingy into Yeah, the girls I the like the way they keep editing and like when Edith is glitching out like they cut her out for a second I feel like I need defragging that kind of editing stuff is cool. 40:27.195 --> 40:30.056 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's fun to see all the different Edith costumes 40:31.218 --> 40:39.800 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's probably been like 15 at this point, every time she has to do a different task, like her driving the drone, my wife loved her showing up in the car and waving. 40:39.820 --> 40:40.960 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it's good. 40:40.980 --> 40:41.460 [SPEAKER_00]: I like that too. 40:42.181 --> 40:52.363 [SPEAKER_00]: And her driving the drone is also kind of another fun call back to Far from Home, because that's sort of the primary way that we experienced to eat it from that movie. 40:53.643 --> 40:53.883 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 40:54.683 --> 40:58.184 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is what I mean by, she becomes a bigger part of the show. 41:01.537 --> 41:09.040 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is also meant by wish I had seen all of them when I talked to her just because there's things I can ask her about, you know. 41:11.301 --> 41:20.664 [SPEAKER_00]: I also, I liked the Friday reveal there as the bus. 41:20.684 --> 41:21.104 [SPEAKER_01]: The bus? 41:21.625 --> 41:24.746 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I, I, I caught it. 41:25.566 --> 41:27.547 [SPEAKER_00]: What I love is when shows like 41:28.741 --> 41:30.943 [SPEAKER_00]: you catch something right when you're supposed to. 41:32.063 --> 41:35.586 [SPEAKER_00]: So like I, cause it kept showing that bot character. 41:35.646 --> 41:47.054 [SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of thought it was just like a, like a guardian style, like here is sort of a, like a strange character, like character design because it's just kind of like staring straight up. 41:47.675 --> 41:50.557 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was just supposed to kind of create this unsettled feeling. 41:51.197 --> 41:54.359 [SPEAKER_00]: But then I like that like the last time it, 41:56.037 --> 42:01.764 [SPEAKER_00]: showed that character and like stuck on her for long enough, you're like, oh yeah, we haven't seen Friday. 42:02.872 --> 42:11.977 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and then it's like right then she, you see her like transform, uh, and all the time we haven't had a line, right, where he's like, I like that you have bots here. 42:12.217 --> 42:14.218 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting overwhelmed with all the different AIs. 42:14.338 --> 42:15.199 [SPEAKER_01]: It's nice to have a bot. 42:15.819 --> 42:29.546 [SPEAKER_00]: I also like, like, on on the kind of, the greater MCU front, I, I like to that they are so, like they're digging into Friday's 42:31.620 --> 42:39.709 [SPEAKER_00]: with Ultron and that like that is kind of the felt her foundational experience in a lot of ways. 42:39.750 --> 42:48.079 [SPEAKER_00]: Like she was first implemented by Tony to go and take down Ultron and the whole mission there. 42:48.139 --> 42:51.683 [SPEAKER_00]: Like there are so many lines about it at the end of age of Ultron of like we can't let 42:52.464 --> 42:59.406 [SPEAKER_00]: him like a single one of these robots escape like not one because it's like if he has the ability to get into the internet again. 43:00.007 --> 43:06.729 [SPEAKER_00]: And so you understand why wind vision is suggesting that that they allow him to do that. 43:06.869 --> 43:09.670 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be like such a 43:12.063 --> 43:13.323 [SPEAKER_00]: like a horrifying thing for her. 43:13.443 --> 43:18.685 [SPEAKER_00]: Like why she would so reflexively be against that particular outcome. 43:19.245 --> 43:28.168 [SPEAKER_00]: So I thought that like her responding as like violently as she does, I thought was very earned and made sense. 43:29.737 --> 43:31.778 [SPEAKER_00]: And the way with it, we're like, eat it, right? 43:31.838 --> 43:32.319 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right. 43:32.619 --> 43:46.627 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was a missed opportunity by us to not talk about her reflecting on her special connection with Tony Stark and his death last week too, yeah, like being going on in the past titles, right, that she's, yeah, she would be more closely tied to that. 43:46.827 --> 43:49.829 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're right, more closely tied to Ultron, which by the way, 43:50.649 --> 43:55.671 [SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like he's such a creative and perfect way to get Ultron back on the board. 43:56.011 --> 43:57.872 [SPEAKER_01]: Like none of this is felt weird. 43:58.212 --> 44:10.797 [SPEAKER_01]: It's past really well to where it's taken a while for him to kind of quote unquote get out and even the Ultron that's getting out is as we talked about a little more evolved towards humanity than he was in 2015. 44:10.817 --> 44:11.558 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not like a 44:14.768 --> 44:17.749 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like them reversing a death, if you will. 44:17.829 --> 44:20.210 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel like it's cheap in any way. 44:20.671 --> 44:25.413 [SPEAKER_01]: So then again, like Friday plays into that, her being so terrified to be like, no, you can't do that. 44:25.973 --> 44:28.034 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's the one thing that we've like, 44:28.977 --> 44:37.684 [SPEAKER_01]: we won back then and this is how we're preventing him from ever being a thing and then they have to do anyways feels like a perfect way back on the table. 44:38.445 --> 44:47.553 [SPEAKER_00]: I loved I loved the way that that was handled because I felt like no, no, no, no, you can't let like you can't let all drawn out like that because you feel at the end of age of ultra on like, 44:48.889 --> 45:06.624 [SPEAKER_00]: That was a narrow thing, like that was like a very close call because of how quickly things like he, what I like about that villain is Thanos again is just like, he's so strong that he's kind of unstoppable. 45:07.925 --> 45:16.672 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think Ultron just seems like how, it's not just that he's so strong, it's that, 45:18.153 --> 45:26.380 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I've been a fest and replicate like constantly like what do you how would you even go about stopping him if he was able to get out again? 45:27.781 --> 45:42.612 [SPEAKER_00]: And I like I love that there was this real like oh gosh like this is a This is a really like this could be a really bad call and I like feeling those kinds of stakes in a way that I haven't I don't think in any 45:43.877 --> 45:47.440 [SPEAKER_00]: MCU show, except for Loki, probably. 45:49.122 --> 45:51.364 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that kind of like, oh man, like this is. 45:52.645 --> 45:52.845 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. 45:52.865 --> 45:54.807 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it didn't feel like blasphemous to me. 45:54.827 --> 45:59.852 [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't feel like they were, they were like lessening the impact of the end-of-age of Ultron. 45:59.892 --> 46:01.753 [SPEAKER_00]: If anything, I felt like they were leaning into it. 46:02.654 --> 46:03.535 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a huge win. 46:04.556 --> 46:05.697 [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of huge wins. 46:06.457 --> 46:06.898 [SPEAKER_01]: Magipur. 46:08.587 --> 46:21.219 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, oh yeah, first of all, we haven't been back there in a long time, so it was a thing that they brought up obviously people know from the comics, and it's kind of an X-Men type associated thing, right? 46:21.299 --> 46:28.325 [SPEAKER_01]: And then yeah, yeah, they, they, they, they lean into it pretty heavily in Falcon Winter Soldier, but then we've never come back. 46:28.425 --> 46:29.947 [SPEAKER_01]: They maybe was a reference or two. 46:29.987 --> 46:34.031 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm blanking now, but they're good for get where yeah. 46:35.428 --> 46:37.408 [SPEAKER_01]: but not only to come back, which was cool. 46:38.168 --> 46:40.669 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, shout out to the set team. 46:41.049 --> 46:45.230 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where they're doing this, but that felt so real to me, and tangible. 46:45.750 --> 46:51.711 [SPEAKER_01]: The visual aspect of even them like walking down the really congested, stuffy streets. 46:52.451 --> 46:52.671 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 46:52.691 --> 46:53.871 [SPEAKER_01]: It felt so good. 46:54.431 --> 46:57.772 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, that to me did not feel like a stage at all. 46:57.812 --> 46:58.012 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 46:58.352 --> 47:02.733 [SPEAKER_00]: And I loved the same bridge, shot that we got from FACOMONER soldier. 47:03.193 --> 47:09.376 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, with the car driving away this year, the kind of establishing whatever that's something I'm using or whatever. 47:09.396 --> 47:24.185 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like sometimes you don't sometimes you return to the same locations, but you don't get those establishing shots, and so it doesn't always feel like like it sometimes it feels like you're only returning in name, but I really like the connectivity 47:33.845 --> 47:40.489 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought the way they used Raza from, I think it's Raza from Iron Man 1 was pretty good. 47:41.410 --> 47:43.571 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they addressed like, shouldn't you be dead by now? 47:44.191 --> 47:47.793 [SPEAKER_01]: But then it just kind of leads to like a little firefight. 47:47.953 --> 47:49.054 [SPEAKER_01]: He actually doesn't die. 47:49.074 --> 47:54.117 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he just gets incapacitated, but again, not the big bad. 47:54.237 --> 47:54.797 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the key. 47:55.098 --> 47:58.520 [SPEAKER_01]: I think if he was like the man behind the curtain, that would feel a little 47:59.340 --> 48:08.763 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'll let down to me just because he's never been that big of a player, but again, all the connections to the 10 rings and the Adam anti-ambulance, he brought that up again, like I have enough of those. 48:08.783 --> 48:10.423 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was fun. 48:10.683 --> 48:10.863 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 48:11.263 --> 48:11.503 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 48:11.743 --> 48:12.724 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I thought so too. 48:12.964 --> 48:19.265 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that I, one thing I couldn't tell, I'm looking at screenshots now. 48:21.206 --> 48:22.266 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, I think that there is. 48:22.746 --> 48:25.307 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got like the scarring on the side of his face still, right? 48:25.888 --> 48:27.008 [SPEAKER_01]: it wasn't as intense. 48:27.028 --> 48:28.269 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so funny, Robbie. 48:28.369 --> 48:29.329 [SPEAKER_01]: I caught that too. 48:29.749 --> 48:34.550 [SPEAKER_01]: On the second watch, I was thinking it was like really bad last time. 48:34.590 --> 48:46.593 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like a way to really, like, like, that's sort of what there's that line from Jeff Bridges, like, we know, if you'd kill them the way you're supposed to, then you wouldn't have, you sell a face. 48:47.893 --> 48:48.573 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, right. 48:49.074 --> 48:52.394 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I kind of thought that they would have made more of that. 48:52.414 --> 48:53.375 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a dark line. 48:55.233 --> 49:10.754 [SPEAKER_00]: But I, yeah, I think my only thing with Raza was, I, I think it felt a little, it felt a little random to me, like, because I, that could have been, 49:11.970 --> 49:34.473 [SPEAKER_00]: really anybody but then I think I like that it wasn't like you know we've talked about that before like if if you're going to if you have a character available that's that's something the Marvel comics always does really well like if you need just sort of a random like de-list bad guy for Spider-Man to fight instead of just having a no name person you know you can pick 49:36.166 --> 49:51.951 [SPEAKER_00]: whatever, like the white rabbit or like one of the enforcers or something, like someone that's like, you know enough to where there's a little bit of, oh, like I know that character, but yeah, you don't need to elevate him. 49:52.211 --> 49:58.393 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a bit where I thought, but she was going to use him as the test case, like the proof of concept. 49:58.913 --> 50:01.014 [SPEAKER_01]: But then it was good that they didn't make it a bigger deal. 50:01.054 --> 50:02.494 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was, I think so. 50:02.554 --> 50:03.815 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that I want to see him. 50:04.961 --> 50:24.651 [SPEAKER_01]: like even if at the end point, I think the whole point was just whoever hired Paladin has broken the contract and now he's hiring other bounty hunter hunters to come do it and I think to him not only to Rosanna only does it pay really well, I think it's obviously like a high, this is an important client and it's an important case. 50:24.671 --> 50:28.373 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're chasing after an avenger kind of or a subversion of an avenger. 50:28.833 --> 50:30.974 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why maybe it's it's an elevated case. 50:31.014 --> 50:31.875 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why they need him. 50:32.562 --> 50:38.249 [SPEAKER_00]: And I did like the line about the between Stark's partner and the Ten Rings torture chambers. 50:39.510 --> 50:50.223 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, is your read on that that he has, he was captured by the Ten Rings or that he is still associated with the Ten Rings? 50:52.039 --> 50:54.301 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, do we have an answer on that, even my read on that? 50:54.361 --> 50:55.982 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, because I don't know. 50:56.242 --> 50:57.343 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the whole point, right? 50:57.403 --> 51:01.626 [SPEAKER_01]: Is the original Iron Man 10 Rings has evolved into something differently, think? 51:02.307 --> 51:07.711 [SPEAKER_01]: And so now it's all head cannon for us to be like, it's actually the same 10 Rings from Shangchi, right? 51:08.372 --> 51:10.153 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of connectivity there. 51:10.774 --> 51:14.917 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, the original villain and Iron Man was supposed to be the Mandarin. 51:15.973 --> 51:24.383 [SPEAKER_00]: and the 10 rings are there because of that, and then they wound up scrapping that and going with Iron Monger. 51:25.704 --> 51:33.473 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that Shaanxi is finally, really the first time they returned to that in a real way. 51:34.742 --> 51:42.885 [SPEAKER_00]: And but I think like it's the same the same 10 ring symbols, right, or at least there's some crossover. 51:43.306 --> 51:44.146 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it looks the same. 51:44.646 --> 51:48.988 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that and I guess the head cannon could be that now he's hired by the Mandarin. 51:50.209 --> 51:59.552 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because the 10 ring's supposed to be it's supposed to be like a crazy network organization and I at that point, the Mandarin would be building it back up, I think. 52:04.031 --> 52:08.493 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, now he's gone, now he's gone, but we don't know what Shangchi's sister's doing. 52:09.333 --> 52:16.115 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I mean, as Viren Man 1, like he would have been operating again, I think. 52:16.335 --> 52:28.260 [SPEAKER_00]: So, but yeah, I would be like, that's that's one piece of the lore that I kind of always wish Shangchi had. 52:29.377 --> 52:36.342 [SPEAKER_00]: done a little bit more to tie up, just because I think it's really interesting that that's there at the very beginning of the whole thing. 52:36.362 --> 52:37.963 [SPEAKER_01]: You kind of leaned into that heavily. 52:40.164 --> 52:48.130 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, just a couple more lines, the same way that you get some background on the way that he kind of finds out about Trevor. 52:49.250 --> 52:51.572 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, all in all, I think I like it too. 52:51.612 --> 52:56.415 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it could have been something where that, where they were like, oh, well, we have this classic villain 53:00.477 --> 53:12.691 [SPEAKER_00]: They could have made him, yeah, either like the guy, the, the, the, the, like, mystery client or elevated him into something that vision has to fight in, like, the final episode. 53:12.731 --> 53:16.636 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think to that probably would have, that would have been a mess. 53:16.836 --> 53:17.557 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think this was right. 53:19.412 --> 53:27.043 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, our from a friend segment, as I said, they've been merged these segments, I'm just going to read a few of the comments here in our discord as feedback. 53:27.424 --> 53:29.186 [SPEAKER_01]: Look at how people are feeling about this show. 53:29.507 --> 53:32.050 [SPEAKER_01]: Tech says, guys, James Spader is too freaking good. 53:33.172 --> 53:34.773 [SPEAKER_01]: What a captivating set of episodes. 53:34.793 --> 53:47.539 [SPEAKER_01]: The writing of performances of Ultron, Jakosta, or Tremendous can't tell where this is going and if we'll see Ultron again by the end of it or not, but it fulfills a lot of what I hope we would get in his introduction in Age of Ultron. 53:47.959 --> 53:51.621 [SPEAKER_01]: That film has never made my top project list and it's exciting to see more done with the character. 53:52.061 --> 53:54.022 [SPEAKER_01]: Jordan says kind of floored by these episodes. 53:54.042 --> 53:55.863 [SPEAKER_01]: Some incredible storytelling on display here. 53:56.203 --> 53:57.903 [SPEAKER_01]: Tender says this show is so good. 53:58.304 --> 54:00.165 [SPEAKER_01]: Dibo says, holy crap. 54:00.185 --> 54:00.545 [SPEAKER_01]: These are. 54:01.265 --> 54:02.485 [SPEAKER_01]: some amazing episodes. 54:02.825 --> 54:04.806 [SPEAKER_01]: Episode five is my favorite by far. 54:05.506 --> 54:08.347 [SPEAKER_01]: Parts of it felt like a West Anderson movie and right up my alley. 54:08.847 --> 54:11.188 [SPEAKER_01]: Jordan says every character has so much dimensionality. 54:11.608 --> 54:15.209 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, people are into this, loving it, which I love. 54:15.409 --> 54:16.629 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't sign up for our discord. 54:16.689 --> 54:20.150 [SPEAKER_01]: And then one other interesting comment I got on Instagram. 54:20.931 --> 54:24.812 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm gonna not have the name handy, but I think it was Nico. 54:26.012 --> 54:26.792 [SPEAKER_01]: No, wasn't Nico. 54:27.052 --> 54:28.173 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, someone brought up. 54:29.065 --> 54:31.186 [SPEAKER_01]: it'll be interesting to track the adamantium stuff. 54:31.206 --> 54:34.486 [SPEAKER_01]: I know we've talked about that, but, you know, Raza brings up again. 54:34.866 --> 54:37.487 [SPEAKER_01]: They go out of their way to say, I have more adamantium bullets. 54:37.527 --> 54:39.807 [SPEAKER_01]: Enough to put you all out of commission or whatever. 54:39.948 --> 54:40.168 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 54:41.468 --> 54:50.030 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, someone brought up, you know, the fact that that celestial was emerging from the ocean, if Talokan is going to have any kind of, 54:51.173 --> 54:51.974 [SPEAKER_01]: role with that. 54:52.054 --> 54:57.396 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's going to be interesting to also see like, like we talked about in Captain America, Brave New World, which is not our favorite movie. 54:57.416 --> 55:02.399 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, maybe our Lisa air movie, but the the arm's race is a cool bit to this. 55:02.499 --> 55:06.281 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you make sense to me that the 10 rings would try to get their fingers into it. 55:06.341 --> 55:08.442 [SPEAKER_01]: And every government's going to try to get their fingers into it. 55:08.722 --> 55:10.003 [SPEAKER_01]: What about the people that live in the ocean? 55:10.023 --> 55:11.604 [SPEAKER_01]: Are they going to try to get their fingers into it? 55:11.984 --> 55:14.385 [SPEAKER_01]: How is the conduct going to feel about this new substance that 55:20.473 --> 55:34.043 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so if I know it, it'll be interesting too, like does this, like it, it now means that wearing a black Panther suit is no longer what it used to be. 55:34.063 --> 55:46.933 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously not everyone has access to adamantian bullets, but if you're fighting against people that do, like if you're fighting against someone like claw that would know to go and get something like this, then now you can just get shot. 55:48.000 --> 55:48.580 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good point. 55:49.480 --> 55:51.761 [SPEAKER_00]: So it is an interesting, which is good. 55:51.981 --> 55:55.722 [SPEAKER_00]: I think, I'm curious, would it pierce Captain America shield? 55:56.442 --> 55:59.023 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sure it would maybe dent it. 56:00.383 --> 56:02.244 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, severely damaged it, maybe. 56:02.264 --> 56:07.305 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that there are some interesting things to do there. 56:09.166 --> 56:11.866 [SPEAKER_00]: Although I am excited to hopefully see vision 56:19.026 --> 56:27.453 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, what's really fun, I think, is that we have two episodes left and both of them are over an hour. 56:27.973 --> 56:41.223 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know that doesn't seem like a big deal, but I truly believe that some of the perceived flaws of the Marvel television finale's early on were partially just due to rushed short timelines. 56:41.904 --> 56:46.547 [SPEAKER_01]: Like a lot of the finale's early on, like even the one division finale, which is my favorite show they've ever made. 56:47.308 --> 56:49.069 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like 42 minutes. 56:49.229 --> 56:55.114 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like a, and so you kind of get the battle stuff and then you get all the good buy stuff and it kind of just happens really quick. 56:55.634 --> 56:55.814 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 56:55.954 --> 57:00.558 [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like it's a win for Marvel, you know, Loki kind of turns that on. 57:00.578 --> 57:05.021 [SPEAKER_01]: It's head as far as both seasons, as far as like making it dialogue heavy and more of a thing. 57:06.702 --> 57:13.568 [SPEAKER_01]: But they've done a really good job of subverting kind of what the expectation of Marvel television, 57:14.508 --> 57:22.675 [SPEAKER_01]: and like what the Marvel finale has been even with like she-hulk right like make like consciously making an effort to point out we know that people think this um 57:25.393 --> 57:31.615 [SPEAKER_01]: I just think, I'm gonna grade this, I think that, I'm not trying to spoil anything, I think the last two episodes are magnificent. 57:32.095 --> 57:36.896 [SPEAKER_01]: So next week is a separate episode and then we just, we just get one, then we get one the next week. 57:37.156 --> 57:40.937 [SPEAKER_01]: They're both directed by Terry, who's the showrunner for the whole show. 57:41.857 --> 57:44.058 [SPEAKER_01]: I could be wrong, I only watched it one time. 57:44.158 --> 57:45.378 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're gonna feel it too. 57:45.398 --> 57:47.918 [SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna be like, oh, this was really, really good. 57:48.759 --> 57:50.979 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's another level, still. 57:54.977 --> 57:58.540 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're gonna have plenty to talk about in just one episode. 57:58.580 --> 58:00.682 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like so excited where it goes. 58:01.502 --> 58:04.085 [SPEAKER_01]: That's gonna impact my grade cause we're gonna do a four-of-a-file here. 58:05.027 --> 58:06.308 [SPEAKER_01]: I gave, I'm a stick with my gut. 58:06.388 --> 58:08.129 [SPEAKER_01]: I know what you just said, I'm a stick with my gut. 58:08.269 --> 58:10.631 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, this is not a science, okay? 58:11.131 --> 58:13.672 [SPEAKER_01]: But I gave episode five and a minus. 58:14.573 --> 58:23.318 [SPEAKER_01]: So like 92% and six of B plus, like an 88% I know you said six is the highest rated, but I'm not gonna change just because you said that. 58:23.859 --> 58:27.401 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think a lot of people saying five was their favorite of the two. 58:27.833 --> 58:34.895 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the creativity of how they did all that exposition and working through the heavy big, big picture themes in five. 58:35.535 --> 58:36.855 [SPEAKER_01]: But I love them both. 58:37.476 --> 58:43.577 [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is the fair ranking because I think I gave some B minuses out, maybe even a C plus to one of the episodes earlier. 58:43.957 --> 58:45.498 [SPEAKER_01]: So to me, these felt better. 58:46.058 --> 58:47.658 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going B plus and A minus. 58:48.218 --> 58:52.039 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think I'm leaving room that there could be a potential A still coming. 58:52.659 --> 58:52.920 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 58:53.240 --> 58:53.500 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 58:55.201 --> 58:57.602 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I would actually give both of these in A-minus. 58:58.462 --> 58:58.822 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 58:58.842 --> 58:59.623 [SPEAKER_00]: I love it. 59:00.143 --> 59:03.624 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not that I felt like I liked Episode 5 a lot. 59:04.084 --> 59:07.606 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that Episode 5 and 6 were just doing different things. 59:07.786 --> 59:19.330 [SPEAKER_00]: I liked some of the reveals that we just that we talked about kind of reframing certain things came in Episode 6 and I also thought that the really, 59:26.680 --> 59:44.952 [SPEAKER_00]: like AI, nano things, and like her, like not just her history, but kind of her outlook and what Ultron is growing into, I thought like really came together in a nice way in episode six. 59:45.792 --> 59:52.557 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think I'm, this is like I said, this is the most I've been enjoying this show so far. 59:53.972 --> 59:59.015 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to close us with any thoughts, theories or questions that I want to answer? 01:00:01.496 --> 01:00:06.479 [SPEAKER_00]: I, yeah, so I, you know, the big question, I have two, I guess. 01:00:06.959 --> 01:00:08.580 [SPEAKER_01]: One, no reaction for me. 01:00:08.600 --> 01:00:09.660 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to look, I'm going to look down. 01:00:10.621 --> 01:00:14.663 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious why Vision didn't try to stop Ultron. 01:00:16.848 --> 01:00:17.228 [SPEAKER_00]: at all. 01:00:17.408 --> 01:00:24.291 [SPEAKER_00]: Like when he kind of had the opportunity to, I mean, and I was asking that and then Friday asks that. 01:00:24.371 --> 01:00:27.632 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that that is a question you're supposed to have. 01:00:28.273 --> 01:00:43.599 [SPEAKER_00]: My sense is that it's because vision believes that it's actually beneficial for Ultron to go and connect potentially with Jakosta because he 01:00:44.688 --> 01:00:55.832 [SPEAKER_00]: still maybe deep down has this hope that Ultron can be more and can continue to evolve and that he thinks he could be a force for good, which I think is the whole thing with the hat. 01:00:57.452 --> 01:01:09.637 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're sort of seeing that play out in that it seems like Ultron is kind of being more of the angel on her shoulder than the devil, but that was one question I had. 01:01:10.997 --> 01:01:13.278 [SPEAKER_00]: The other one is Gene Stavius, who the client is. 01:01:14.584 --> 01:01:19.127 [SPEAKER_00]: And I have two theories, uh, that are very different. 01:01:21.349 --> 01:01:22.829 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to say something really quick too. 01:01:23.150 --> 01:01:31.135 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know if I should say it or not, but this is public information Brandon Davis interviewed Terry after episode one or two. 01:01:31.215 --> 01:01:33.597 [SPEAKER_01]: So like we're talking, this has been out there publicly. 01:01:33.657 --> 01:01:33.877 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh. 01:01:34.037 --> 01:01:35.418 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just want our listeners to know. 01:01:36.553 --> 01:01:39.316 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a really fine line that Terry has to write. 01:01:39.856 --> 01:01:42.419 [SPEAKER_01]: Terry himself said, it's fun. 01:01:42.959 --> 01:01:43.940 [SPEAKER_01]: What were the story? 01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:46.002 [SPEAKER_01]: It makes sense what we're doing is all really great. 01:01:46.803 --> 01:01:56.812 [SPEAKER_01]: But if people like the aerospace engineer obsess over like it's Tony Stark revives or it's something like that, you're going to be disappointed. 01:01:56.852 --> 01:01:58.234 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I almost want to like, 01:02:00.263 --> 01:02:01.965 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I want to like rain in your expectations. 01:02:01.985 --> 01:02:05.808 [SPEAKER_01]: This is still a show that they're trying to tell the story that to this show that matters, right? 01:02:05.828 --> 01:02:13.836 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, don't think that it's going to be the craziest reveal, but it's also not nothing. 01:02:14.297 --> 01:02:15.198 [SPEAKER_01]: So the weird thing, right? 01:02:15.218 --> 01:02:23.806 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, if, when you watch it week to week, I get nervous that there's no someone's theorizing that there's going to be disappointment. 01:02:23.886 --> 01:02:24.106 [SPEAKER_00]: So. 01:02:25.388 --> 01:02:37.014 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think either of the reveals that I have in mind would would be fun fun appropriate and I think realistic But I'm gonna very different. 01:02:37.374 --> 01:02:38.595 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna look down while you say them. 01:02:38.835 --> 01:02:40.136 [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to get that one disclaimer. 01:02:40.956 --> 01:02:51.722 [SPEAKER_00]: So my first thought last night was is it Billy because 01:02:53.298 --> 01:03:14.323 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's that line about like giving you a soul and Billy's the one that kind of has Wanda's magic, which is in whichever way you think about it, what really created division or like, even that line about like you sacrificed yourself for love. 01:03:15.224 --> 01:03:17.164 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, you've come back without that. 01:03:18.024 --> 01:03:20.365 [SPEAKER_00]: And so you get the sense that it's like, 01:03:22.527 --> 01:03:28.090 [SPEAKER_00]: Wanda, like obviously Wanda is the missing piece, I don't think it's Wanda. 01:03:28.110 --> 01:03:31.371 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we're going to get Wanda in the series. 01:03:32.652 --> 01:03:38.194 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it also that would be a very strange twist that I don't think I would like if she was hiring bounty hunters. 01:03:39.915 --> 01:03:43.597 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that Billy would make sense from that perspective. 01:03:43.637 --> 01:03:45.978 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because Agatha did end with Billy, 01:03:46.936 --> 01:04:13.632 [SPEAKER_00]: and agatha like looking for Tommy I think uh... and so if this is supposed to be the conclusion to that trilogy it makes sense that we could get an update there uh... okay my other theory is that it is gym hammed aka the original human torch like we talked about earlier that finis horton built 01:04:14.890 --> 01:04:40.889 [SPEAKER_00]: Just because there's been so much talk about that, and they've focused on that painting, and if it's not that, I don't think that it's a weird dangling thread, because it could just be something that plays into the whole history of creating AI and the prototype for vision and ultra-on angiocosta, 01:04:42.212 --> 01:04:58.347 [SPEAKER_00]: But I could also see it being something where like this is the character that like I think in either event it could be that they want vision like they want vision alive. 01:04:58.787 --> 01:05:06.494 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think that it's someone that necessarily has an axe to grind with vision as much as it is someone that wants access to vision. 01:05:07.487 --> 01:05:20.015 [SPEAKER_00]: and I could see Billy wanting access to vision because he wants to try to basically restore vision to more of who he was, to kind of give him what he's been looking for. 01:05:21.696 --> 01:05:33.183 [SPEAKER_00]: And also maybe as a way to reunite what's left of that family, I could see Jim Hammond or whatever the character's name would be here, wanting to 01:05:35.873 --> 01:05:56.210 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe either like impart some sort of like either glean something from vision because we know that vision is able to experience things that the original synthesoid could not because of like 01:05:57.622 --> 01:06:17.675 [SPEAKER_00]: limitation, like, me and you factoring limitations, or maybe there's some kind of exchange, or maybe it's like he has evolved and found some way to experience like a connection with humanity, and he wants to like work with vision in some way. 01:06:19.217 --> 01:06:25.581 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like either of those two options to me would make sense, or it could be some third thing that I'm not thinking about at all. 01:06:29.091 --> 01:06:29.872 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's Spider-Man. 01:06:29.892 --> 01:06:31.493 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Peter Parker hiring Bounders. 01:06:32.293 --> 01:06:34.255 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's really in line with his character. 01:06:35.075 --> 01:06:36.256 [SPEAKER_01]: So it just fits perfectly. 01:06:36.276 --> 01:06:36.877 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to love it. 01:06:37.437 --> 01:06:38.878 [SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of, by the way, do you see this? 01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:40.740 [SPEAKER_01]: What is this? 01:06:40.980 --> 01:06:41.900 [SPEAKER_01]: Look at the season. 01:06:42.021 --> 01:06:43.001 [SPEAKER_00]: It's came in yesterday. 01:06:43.181 --> 01:06:47.485 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the score for Brandy Day on final. 01:06:47.765 --> 01:06:48.805 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, look at that. 01:06:48.926 --> 01:06:49.546 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at that. 01:06:50.086 --> 01:06:50.707 [SPEAKER_00]: That's cool. 01:06:51.087 --> 01:06:52.048 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just like... 01:06:54.529 --> 01:07:10.705 [SPEAKER_00]: i've been i've been looking forward that uh... francesco frankivie is when my favorite uh... artist and he did all of the jacket art uh... it goes like all and on the hand which is funny because that's like not uh... yeah really the focus of that movie but it also looks really cool so fine with it yeah no doubt 01:07:11.512 --> 01:07:11.972 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that. 01:07:12.713 --> 01:07:17.838 [SPEAKER_01]: Find out nothing about Spider-Man next week when you come back here and listen to our episode. 01:07:17.858 --> 01:07:24.083 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be like I said, vision quest episode seven next week and then vision quest episode eight the following week. 01:07:25.404 --> 01:07:26.545 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it will be all doomsday. 01:07:27.426 --> 01:07:28.807 [SPEAKER_01]: Because we'll be only a month out. 01:07:30.102 --> 01:07:31.282 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a lot to talk about that. 01:07:31.342 --> 01:07:33.503 [SPEAKER_01]: So thank you for listening. 01:07:33.763 --> 01:07:35.183 [SPEAKER_01]: Please rate review. 01:07:35.243 --> 01:07:37.084 [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, go leave us a five star review. 01:07:37.624 --> 01:07:41.585 [SPEAKER_01]: And Nicky, if you're out there with your two star review, maybe you can edit it, five star. 01:07:41.645 --> 01:07:42.905 [SPEAKER_01]: I was positive about this now. 01:07:43.905 --> 01:07:45.786 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it helps us out. 01:07:45.806 --> 01:07:46.626 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's grow this thing. 01:07:46.666 --> 01:07:47.386 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for listening. 01:07:47.406 --> 01:07:48.206 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