WEBVTT 00:08.765 --> 00:10.145 [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, everyone. 00:10.306 --> 00:16.048 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole with cork dacks and their good friends, Tom and Harry. 00:16.388 --> 00:21.589 [SPEAKER_02]: Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek, Deep Space Nine. 00:22.330 --> 00:24.450 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you've got some amazing hosts today. 00:24.490 --> 00:29.032 [SPEAKER_01]: They include Armin, Schimmerman, hey, hey, hey, hey. 00:29.192 --> 00:31.733 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and myself, Robert Duncan McNeill. 00:33.048 --> 00:33.548 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey. 00:34.549 --> 00:43.313 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, for the complete and exciting version of this podcast, please check out patreon.com forward slash the Delta Flyers and sign up to become a patron today. 00:44.133 --> 00:46.154 [SPEAKER_02]: I guarantee you will not regret it. 00:47.015 --> 00:47.595 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was done. 00:47.615 --> 00:47.955 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was done. 00:47.975 --> 00:48.536 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, guarantee. 00:48.636 --> 00:49.376 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, double guarantee. 00:49.616 --> 00:50.637 [SPEAKER_02]: Do we have a triple guarantee? 00:50.677 --> 00:51.277 [SPEAKER_02]: Do we have a triple? 00:51.779 --> 00:53.561 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I will quadruple it. 00:53.601 --> 00:55.503 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to skip triple and quadruple. 00:55.563 --> 00:56.984 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 00:57.104 --> 00:57.905 [SPEAKER_01]: How are you guys? 00:58.285 --> 00:59.186 [SPEAKER_01]: We're good. 00:59.306 --> 00:59.607 [SPEAKER_01]: Good. 00:59.667 --> 00:59.947 [SPEAKER_01]: Good. 01:00.227 --> 01:00.487 [SPEAKER_01]: Good. 01:00.988 --> 01:03.010 [SPEAKER_01]: We've had some exciting podcasts recently. 01:03.030 --> 01:05.953 [SPEAKER_01]: We've had Terranon and together for some recaps. 01:05.973 --> 01:07.955 [SPEAKER_01]: We've had Nanaan. 01:08.015 --> 01:10.037 [SPEAKER_01]: We've had Michael Dorn on. 01:10.117 --> 01:10.817 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been fun. 01:11.118 --> 01:12.379 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been really fun. 01:12.619 --> 01:13.260 [SPEAKER_01]: Really fun. 01:13.540 --> 01:15.342 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wish we had Sid today. 01:16.622 --> 01:17.443 [SPEAKER_01]: I really do. 01:17.543 --> 01:23.249 [SPEAKER_01]: I wish we he's a tough one to get, but I wish we had said to fill us in on this because let's just call him right now. 01:23.689 --> 01:24.950 [SPEAKER_02]: Just give a lot to call him. 01:24.990 --> 01:25.451 [SPEAKER_02]: He'll be right. 01:25.471 --> 01:26.111 [SPEAKER_02]: He'll be right. 01:26.792 --> 01:27.473 [SPEAKER_02]: He'll be right. 01:27.493 --> 01:30.216 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I don't know, he's a doctor as well. 01:30.356 --> 01:33.699 [SPEAKER_02]: He'll he'll grace his other butt cheek as well. 01:35.120 --> 01:35.520 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 01:35.640 --> 01:36.701 [SPEAKER_02]: October 27th. 01:36.881 --> 01:37.661 [SPEAKER_02]: What a wonderful day. 01:37.681 --> 01:40.522 [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's a day that Brenton Tyler was born. 01:40.602 --> 01:56.989 [SPEAKER_01]: So happy happy birthday to Brenton happy birthday Brenton 27th lucky day happy birthday Brenton have a great birthday Also, it's Elaine Ferguson's birthday on October 28th, which Elaine happy happy birthday 01:57.797 --> 01:58.918 [SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday, Elaine. 01:59.238 --> 02:01.439 [SPEAKER_00]: Happy, happy, happy, happy, happy birthday. 02:01.819 --> 02:06.862 [SPEAKER_02]: Elaine, my dear, happy birthday in Scotland on October 30th. 02:07.142 --> 02:14.646 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the birthday of our plant expert extraordinaire, Mr. Darrell Chang, happy birthday, Darrell. 02:15.186 --> 02:16.386 [SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday, Darrell. 02:16.406 --> 02:17.447 [SPEAKER_02]: Take care of those plants. 02:18.267 --> 02:19.448 [SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, Darrell. 02:19.728 --> 02:25.331 [SPEAKER_01]: We've also got Jocelyn Pini's birthday on October 31st, Halloween, happy birthday, Jocelyn. 02:25.731 --> 02:26.812 [SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, Jocelyn. 02:28.102 --> 02:30.784 [SPEAKER_02]: Happy Halloween birthday, Jocelyn. 02:31.225 --> 02:32.446 [SPEAKER_02]: Next up, Happy Birthday. 02:33.126 --> 02:36.709 [SPEAKER_02]: November 3rd, tour very own sneaky potatoes. 02:37.130 --> 02:38.231 [SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday, Holy Schmidt. 02:38.691 --> 02:40.092 [SPEAKER_01]: Holly, happy birthday. 02:41.333 --> 02:42.794 [SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday, sneaky. 02:43.255 --> 02:46.678 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, one more birthday on November 3rd, another one. 02:47.018 --> 02:50.000 [SPEAKER_01]: Jeremiah Brown, happy birthday, Jeremiah. 02:50.421 --> 02:51.742 [SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday, Jeremiah. 02:52.643 --> 02:55.285 [SPEAKER_02]: Jeremiah, happy, happy birthday to you. 03:01.669 --> 03:03.109 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go into some poetry. 03:03.589 --> 03:06.150 [SPEAKER_02]: Poetry synopsis, Robby, with your wonderful Limerick, please. 03:06.170 --> 03:10.191 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I have a Limerick for today's episode inquisition. 03:10.211 --> 03:12.972 [SPEAKER_01]: And it goes like this, my Limerick does. 03:14.172 --> 03:19.793 [SPEAKER_01]: There once was a creepy man named Sloan, and a group that's completely unknown. 03:19.813 --> 03:28.115 [SPEAKER_01]: He interrogated Bashir till the truth was unclear, seems like they're not leaving Bashir alone. 03:32.958 --> 03:41.588 [SPEAKER_02]: So good, so good, once you've reverted to the classic form, there once was a, these are just, these are knocked out of the park each one. 03:41.608 --> 03:42.149 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, thank you. 03:42.169 --> 03:42.509 [SPEAKER_02]: Wonderful. 03:42.529 --> 03:43.911 [SPEAKER_01]: Very, very, very, very. 03:43.971 --> 03:47.455 [SPEAKER_01]: Finally, after seven years, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. 03:48.015 --> 03:49.557 [SPEAKER_02]: Armin, do you have some etymology for us? 03:49.958 --> 03:50.799 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have a poem? 03:51.139 --> 03:51.499 [SPEAKER_02]: I do. 03:51.839 --> 03:55.942 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, in our listening, in our listening, it's the try to mix it up. 03:55.962 --> 03:58.023 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to go to that apology. 03:58.043 --> 03:59.064 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, back to home. 03:59.084 --> 03:59.824 [SPEAKER_00]: Back to home. 03:59.864 --> 04:00.344 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's the. 04:00.384 --> 04:02.646 [SPEAKER_01]: Keep everybody on the tour. 04:03.226 --> 04:04.127 [SPEAKER_01]: I see. 04:04.307 --> 04:04.627 [SPEAKER_00]: I see. 04:04.707 --> 04:05.007 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 04:06.528 --> 04:06.908 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 04:07.108 --> 04:09.670 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, then the etymology of Inquisition. 04:09.970 --> 04:10.590 [SPEAKER_00]: Inquisition. 04:10.750 --> 04:11.451 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, please. 04:11.871 --> 04:25.959 [SPEAKER_00]: Inquisition is from either from the old French, inquisition, or the Latin, which I can't pronounce, inquisition M is inquisition. 04:26.179 --> 04:28.360 [SPEAKER_00]: But those of you who speak Latin, my apologies. 04:28.640 --> 04:29.761 [SPEAKER_00]: Latin is so difficult. 04:29.781 --> 04:31.482 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't teach me Latin in Hebrew school. 04:34.403 --> 04:36.084 [SPEAKER_00]: What is the definition of inquisition? 04:36.104 --> 04:38.906 [SPEAKER_00]: There are three definitions that I think are pertinent. 04:39.647 --> 04:50.295 [SPEAKER_00]: The first is the action or process of inquiring or searching into matters, especially for the purpose of finding out the truth or the facts. 04:50.495 --> 04:52.296 [SPEAKER_00]: That's definition number one. 04:54.418 --> 04:56.199 [SPEAKER_00]: That definition and that 05:00.942 --> 05:08.809 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is a long way in our last podcast, I did a word I can't remember, which one was, there was an 1800, so this is 500 years later. 05:10.490 --> 05:20.259 [SPEAKER_00]: The second definition, a judicial or official investigation and inquest also the document recording such an inquiry and its result. 05:21.039 --> 05:23.902 [SPEAKER_00]: This word came into being five years later, in 1387. 05:26.183 --> 05:43.548 [SPEAKER_00]: The third, in the Roman Catholic Church and Ecclesiastical Tribunal for the suppression of heresy and the punishment of heretics, organized in the 13th century under Pope innocent the third, under the name of the congregation of the Holy Office. 05:44.168 --> 05:48.029 [SPEAKER_00]: This use of the word came into effect about 150 years later in 1502. 05:53.871 --> 05:56.393 [SPEAKER_01]: 15, that's what I thought, 15, 100, early, 1500. 05:57.574 --> 05:58.215 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. 05:58.775 --> 06:02.498 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, here's my high coup and it goes a little something like this. 06:02.838 --> 06:04.520 [SPEAKER_02]: DS9 spy hunt. 06:05.981 --> 06:10.765 [SPEAKER_02]: Sloan puts Bashir through ringer section 31. 06:12.337 --> 06:12.837 [SPEAKER_02]: Very nice. 06:13.237 --> 06:13.938 [SPEAKER_02]: Very nice. 06:13.998 --> 06:14.938 [SPEAKER_02]: Very nice. 06:14.958 --> 06:19.159 [SPEAKER_02]: With the ASMR treatment, the section 31. 06:19.199 --> 06:21.540 [SPEAKER_01]: So they invented that in this episode. 06:21.580 --> 06:24.041 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is what it's just that spin off. 06:24.341 --> 06:25.262 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's cool. 06:25.302 --> 06:25.982 [SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy. 06:26.542 --> 06:26.822 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. 06:26.842 --> 06:29.363 [SPEAKER_02]: This is from Iris Brain, basically. 06:29.703 --> 06:30.423 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what was that? 06:30.463 --> 06:31.724 [SPEAKER_00]: Whoever came up with this. 06:31.764 --> 06:32.584 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 06:32.924 --> 06:40.107 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think if there's ever another iteration of a start trick show, it would probably be about section 31. 06:40.747 --> 06:42.389 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, they tried it. 06:42.470 --> 06:45.494 [SPEAKER_02]: But they did try it work with the show, you know? 06:45.534 --> 06:51.442 [SPEAKER_02]: Show you, yes, that became a series idea, which then just became like a movie of the week sort of thing. 06:51.482 --> 06:52.784 [SPEAKER_02]: And then they said, OK, that's enough. 06:53.625 --> 06:55.127 [SPEAKER_02]: Didn't really go forward with that, right? 06:55.207 --> 06:55.448 [SPEAKER_02]: So. 06:55.628 --> 07:05.394 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's so funny because didn't you just suggest that there'd be some kind of like detective show like a law and order Star Trek? 07:05.755 --> 07:07.276 [SPEAKER_01]: I did say something like that. 07:07.296 --> 07:08.256 [SPEAKER_01]: You just talked about that. 07:08.276 --> 07:10.718 [SPEAKER_02]: We were talking about it and we hadn't seen this yet. 07:11.218 --> 07:11.518 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 07:11.919 --> 07:13.600 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a funny, it's very similar. 07:14.280 --> 07:15.101 [SPEAKER_02]: It really is. 07:16.061 --> 07:19.503 [SPEAKER_02]: Interestingly enough, I joked about at conventions. 07:19.523 --> 07:22.786 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not joked about, I said people would ask, what do you think Harry Kims doing these days? 07:23.526 --> 07:33.492 [SPEAKER_02]: I said, well, he and Jake Siscoe who's no longer, who's still writing as a hobby, but his moon lighting as section 31 partners with Harry Kim. 07:34.013 --> 07:35.013 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that, as what I said. 07:35.554 --> 07:39.356 [SPEAKER_02]: Then IDW publishing that the outfit that does start 07:40.777 --> 07:52.946 [SPEAKER_02]: printed, they started doing a storyline of Harry Kim as a section 31 detective, and I've signed the photo of Harry holding the phaser rifle that he's holding and he's wearing like playing clothes. 07:52.966 --> 07:57.009 [SPEAKER_02]: He's just like a navy seal kind of guy, just like out in the, you know, on his own. 07:57.129 --> 08:00.451 [SPEAKER_02]: He's just not a rogue agent, but just he's an operative. 08:00.471 --> 08:01.112 [SPEAKER_02]: He's out in the field. 08:01.632 --> 08:26.556 [SPEAKER_01]: very intrigued by this yeah yeah but again it's amazing though Robbie this is coming from DS not we didn't even know this was happening in filming winter we didn't know this is very it's very it's very yeah it's super cool we set a writers a great set of writers very smart before we get too much deeper into the episode we've got a patreon submitted poetry winner I want to read this is a Shakespeare song it 08:27.076 --> 08:27.396 [SPEAKER_01]: Really? 08:27.416 --> 08:36.844 [SPEAKER_01]: Bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa-bumpa 08:46.952 --> 08:53.155 [SPEAKER_01]: They showed me friends who wore a stranger's face and asked me to confess to crimes I knew not of. 08:53.895 --> 08:56.636 [SPEAKER_01]: What man am I, if not the one I know? 08:56.976 --> 09:05.740 [SPEAKER_01]: What loyalty remains when trust is torn, they say the ends justify the means, but what if means become the end we mourn. 09:06.520 --> 09:09.961 [SPEAKER_01]: I played at spies in quarks, a boy at games. 09:10.622 --> 09:13.483 [SPEAKER_01]: Now games play me, and I cannot wake. 09:14.343 --> 09:21.287 [SPEAKER_01]: The scones, the tea, the face that called me friend, all masks, and yet I know my soul is mine. 09:21.808 --> 09:24.609 [SPEAKER_01]: So take your letters flown your quiet knife. 09:25.170 --> 09:28.352 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll not surrender what I am, not this life. 09:30.112 --> 09:30.692 [SPEAKER_01]: interesting. 09:30.992 --> 09:33.734 [SPEAKER_01]: That was complex for me. 09:34.074 --> 09:34.574 [SPEAKER_02]: It was. 09:34.614 --> 09:36.055 [SPEAKER_02]: We did a really great job, Robbie. 09:36.335 --> 09:36.795 [SPEAKER_02]: Good job. 09:37.135 --> 09:37.816 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 09:38.036 --> 09:46.600 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, this was written by Bradley Thompson and David Weddle, directed by none other than our good friend, Michael Dorne, who was just a guest on our show recently. 09:46.660 --> 09:52.022 [SPEAKER_02]: So, Michael, Michael Dorne, you did a great job, but I really, I was impressed. 09:52.102 --> 09:52.923 [SPEAKER_02]: It was, it was simple 09:58.265 --> 09:58.665 [SPEAKER_02]: thumbs up. 09:59.205 --> 10:00.606 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, guest stars. 10:01.466 --> 10:05.108 [SPEAKER_02]: The super talented Mr. William Saddler as Sloan. 10:05.548 --> 10:06.328 [SPEAKER_02]: Jeffrey Holmes. 10:06.348 --> 10:08.649 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know I want to pause on Bill Saddler? 10:08.689 --> 10:09.169 [SPEAKER_01]: Please. 10:09.389 --> 10:09.589 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 10:09.929 --> 10:11.490 [SPEAKER_01]: Armin, do you know Bill Saddler at all? 10:11.510 --> 10:11.930 [SPEAKER_01]: Not really. 10:12.510 --> 10:12.770 [SPEAKER_01]: Really? 10:13.471 --> 10:14.971 [SPEAKER_01]: I would have guessed that you were. 10:14.991 --> 10:15.711 [SPEAKER_00]: You would have thought so. 10:15.871 --> 10:16.772 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not really. 10:16.932 --> 10:17.072 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 10:17.652 --> 10:24.176 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I even, you know, I had Bupcus to do in this episode, so I don't think I met him during this episode. 10:25.036 --> 10:27.538 [SPEAKER_00]: And I certainly know his face, I know his work. 10:27.778 --> 10:28.899 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know him personally. 10:29.779 --> 10:33.101 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a lovely human being, lives up in the Upstate New York. 10:34.061 --> 10:38.024 [SPEAKER_01]: He played a recurring character, a few episodes on 6, 6, 6 Park Avenue show. 10:38.064 --> 10:41.005 [SPEAKER_01]: I did in New York, and I went to direct him there. 10:41.746 --> 10:42.586 [SPEAKER_01]: Lovely, man. 10:42.606 --> 10:42.986 [SPEAKER_01]: Such a... 10:44.087 --> 10:49.053 [SPEAKER_01]: Such a down-to-earth, you know, played as guitar on set while we were lighting. 10:49.073 --> 10:53.258 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I think he lives near Woodstock, which makes sense. 10:53.458 --> 10:58.124 [SPEAKER_01]: He's just a very interesting renaissance man, a really interesting guy. 10:59.087 --> 11:01.029 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's sort of character, did he play for you? 11:01.770 --> 11:19.327 [SPEAKER_01]: He played the father of one of our lead characters who kind of had some family secrets, and he was trying to be honest and reveal some of them, and it was all wrapped up in the kind of haunted mystery of the apartment building and things like that. 11:19.827 --> 11:20.528 [SPEAKER_01]: But he was great. 11:20.648 --> 11:20.888 [SPEAKER_01]: He was 11:22.091 --> 11:22.992 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's done good work. 11:23.032 --> 11:25.533 [SPEAKER_00]: Every time I've seen him, I know I'm going to see a good performance. 11:25.973 --> 11:27.534 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's very, very talented. 11:27.634 --> 11:28.855 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know if he's done any fader? 11:28.875 --> 11:31.016 [SPEAKER_01]: He's done quite a bit of theater. 11:31.396 --> 11:33.418 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he was on Broadway a few times. 11:33.458 --> 11:36.719 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he may have done some, he may have started in the park. 11:36.799 --> 11:38.701 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Shakespeare in the park or something. 11:38.721 --> 11:40.181 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yeah, I'll shoot. 11:40.261 --> 11:42.063 [SPEAKER_02]: I should just let this up. 11:42.263 --> 11:43.023 [SPEAKER_02]: I read it already. 11:43.063 --> 11:45.464 [SPEAKER_02]: He did, um, oh my god, it's very famous. 11:45.805 --> 11:45.965 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, 11:47.305 --> 11:49.647 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he did theater for sure, Harmon. 11:49.667 --> 11:51.569 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I wondered he was New York case. 11:51.669 --> 11:52.249 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he is. 11:52.549 --> 11:56.192 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's born in New York actually, not New York City, but New York. 11:56.293 --> 11:57.814 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think he's from upstate. 11:58.514 --> 11:59.135 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 11:59.275 --> 12:00.976 [SPEAKER_02]: So Neil Simon's 12:05.340 --> 12:08.283 [SPEAKER_02]: So 1985, but I knew him from the green mile. 12:08.403 --> 12:22.196 [SPEAKER_02]: His wets, probably where I first saw Bill Saddler, and he was great in that, even though it was more of a character role and not a ton of lines, you know, but he did a great job, but I was so happy to see him be able to have a very 12:28.501 --> 12:31.164 [SPEAKER_02]: That we got to see from Bill Sadler. 12:31.184 --> 12:40.573 [SPEAKER_02]: I was very impressed even though I don't know him I've never met him, but I will trust Robbie's word that he's a he's a gentleman and he's a really talented He's a kind of actor. 12:40.593 --> 12:41.214 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd love arm. 12:41.234 --> 12:45.958 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was I think when he was doing 666 he the show that I did with him. 12:46.339 --> 12:50.343 [SPEAKER_01]: He he had just been at the barter theater or you know He did a barter here 12:50.643 --> 12:54.084 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like regional theater, he just, he likes to work. 12:54.164 --> 12:55.445 [SPEAKER_01]: He loves being an actor. 12:55.765 --> 13:03.908 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's that kind of old school journeyman actor who always delivers and he's great guy. 13:04.088 --> 13:07.490 [SPEAKER_02]: Jeffrey Combs as way you was great to see Jeffrey again. 13:07.590 --> 13:08.730 [SPEAKER_02]: On screen, we loved him. 13:09.671 --> 13:14.673 [SPEAKER_02]: Samantha Mud as Chandler and Benjamin Brown as Kagan. 13:15.653 --> 13:17.175 [SPEAKER_01]: Because that was the two security. 13:17.195 --> 13:17.975 [SPEAKER_01]: I suppose so. 13:18.015 --> 13:20.337 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, strong arms. 13:20.878 --> 13:21.238 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 13:21.338 --> 13:24.961 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the guards as Sloan calls him guards. 13:25.702 --> 13:26.102 [SPEAKER_00]: Guards. 13:26.202 --> 13:26.442 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 13:26.462 --> 13:27.043 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. 13:27.923 --> 13:29.745 [SPEAKER_02]: A little bit of trivia. 13:29.825 --> 13:40.474 [SPEAKER_02]: This episode began life as a comedic show about bureaucracy and paperwork, or as Bradley Thompson said, quote, dealing with the Department of Motor Vehicles on a Sunday and quote. 13:41.395 --> 13:48.042 [SPEAKER_02]: And everyone in this podcast understands California DMV and how frustrating and how long those lines could be. 13:48.342 --> 13:48.923 [SPEAKER_02]: We know that. 13:49.143 --> 13:56.972 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the true equalizer in Los Angeles of kings, actors, movie stars, the DMV, you're nothing to them. 13:56.992 --> 13:57.833 [SPEAKER_02]: You're just a number. 13:57.913 --> 13:58.874 [SPEAKER_02]: You're just getting along. 13:58.894 --> 13:59.475 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like this. 13:59.515 --> 13:59.855 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 14:00.396 --> 14:00.836 [SPEAKER_02]: It's next. 14:02.618 --> 14:08.862 [SPEAKER_01]: But here everybody, the whole crew, the senior staff is all locked up in their their quarters. 14:09.082 --> 14:11.964 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's truly bizarre. 14:12.004 --> 14:18.728 [SPEAKER_00]: Considering I was just reviewing with you guys in episode with where Miles was missing and the whole station came to a stop. 14:18.748 --> 14:18.908 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 14:19.248 --> 14:21.770 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm thought all of them are court. 14:21.870 --> 14:22.490 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 14:22.610 --> 14:23.391 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. 14:23.711 --> 14:23.971 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 14:24.331 --> 14:25.212 [SPEAKER_02]: Next bit of trivia. 14:25.372 --> 14:32.716 [SPEAKER_02]: Sloan was named after the Peter Breck character in the 1963 Samuel Fuller film, Shock Cord or. 14:33.336 --> 14:36.358 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's the origin of that name. 14:36.858 --> 14:37.839 [SPEAKER_02]: Another bit of trivia. 14:37.919 --> 14:44.402 [SPEAKER_02]: With the last bit of trivia here is the producers originally considered casting Martin Sheen as Sloan. 14:44.903 --> 14:46.944 [SPEAKER_02]: But they ultimately chose William. 14:47.644 --> 14:48.345 [SPEAKER_02]: bill-sadler. 14:48.745 --> 14:49.125 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. 14:49.506 --> 14:51.307 [SPEAKER_02]: That's quite interesting to hear that. 14:51.427 --> 14:56.151 [SPEAKER_02]: Wonder if they could have gotten Martin's, you know, if it was just a dream to get Martin's. 14:57.151 --> 15:01.174 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, I mean, who knows, maybe he was doing stuff for that point. 15:01.295 --> 15:01.815 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 15:02.295 --> 15:04.617 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think, when did I do West Wing? 15:04.637 --> 15:06.138 [SPEAKER_00]: Was he working on West Wing then? 15:06.939 --> 15:08.500 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, yeah, this was 1998. 15:11.339 --> 15:13.702 [SPEAKER_01]: The air date of this episode was nice and I did it. 15:13.742 --> 15:16.084 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think West Wing came around 2000-2001 maybe. 15:16.184 --> 15:17.645 [SPEAKER_01]: OK. OK. Yeah. 15:17.845 --> 15:18.786 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like that. 15:19.046 --> 15:19.447 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 15:20.067 --> 15:21.749 [SPEAKER_02]: Shall we jump into this episode? 15:21.849 --> 15:22.850 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, just do. 15:22.930 --> 15:26.353 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's start in the infomerate as the first place we are. 15:26.433 --> 15:29.315 [SPEAKER_01]: And Bashar is preparing for this medical conference. 15:29.456 --> 15:30.537 [SPEAKER_01]: It's got great energy. 15:30.557 --> 15:32.378 [SPEAKER_01]: He's very excited to leave in the morning. 15:32.418 --> 15:34.740 [SPEAKER_01]: But I have to say, outside of 15:35.922 --> 15:49.627 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... the infirmary there's some kind of flashing light that i feel like i've never seen before what it what was flashing on the promenade was that quarks quark they had there are neon bulbs sometimes around quarks uh... the interest way that flash 15:51.200 --> 15:55.824 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why they were flashing in the middle of the night because the doors were open. 15:55.844 --> 15:59.728 [SPEAKER_00]: I noticed that the doors were open, but I didn't see anybody coming or going through the doors. 16:00.408 --> 16:05.213 [SPEAKER_00]: But there are times when quirks are closed, but usually the doors are closed. 16:05.613 --> 16:08.716 [SPEAKER_00]: But yes, the lights are flashing at the neon lights around quirks. 16:08.956 --> 16:11.818 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like we're six seasons. 16:11.838 --> 16:13.800 [SPEAKER_01]: We're almost to the end of six seasons. 16:13.900 --> 16:15.382 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, what? 16:16.082 --> 16:17.223 [SPEAKER_01]: Where is that Vegas? 16:17.344 --> 16:18.665 [SPEAKER_01]: What's going on back there? 16:18.685 --> 16:21.348 [SPEAKER_02]: Did that pull you out, Robbie? 16:21.748 --> 16:25.111 [SPEAKER_01]: That would just pull me out that I've never noticed it before. 16:25.392 --> 16:28.435 [SPEAKER_01]: It pulled me out that I'm like, how would I have I missed this? 16:28.495 --> 16:28.855 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 16:28.875 --> 16:29.616 [SPEAKER_01]: That's funny. 16:33.660 --> 16:35.321 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Bashir's, he's getting ready to leave. 16:35.341 --> 16:36.401 [SPEAKER_01]: He's very excited. 16:36.421 --> 16:37.441 [SPEAKER_01]: Otto comes in. 16:37.461 --> 16:39.122 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a little annoyed. 16:39.142 --> 16:41.903 [SPEAKER_01]: He thinks he's going on a vacation or something. 16:42.143 --> 16:43.203 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Miles comes in. 16:43.223 --> 16:44.023 [SPEAKER_01]: He's dislocated. 16:44.083 --> 16:44.983 [SPEAKER_01]: His shoulder. 16:45.304 --> 16:45.624 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 16:45.924 --> 16:46.724 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of pain. 16:46.744 --> 16:47.704 [SPEAKER_01]: Hi, hacking. 16:48.024 --> 16:48.825 [SPEAKER_01]: Bashir's fix. 16:48.925 --> 16:50.245 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was kayaking. 16:50.665 --> 16:52.146 [SPEAKER_01]: Bashir fixes it very quickly. 16:52.566 --> 16:53.466 [SPEAKER_01]: Just a little tug. 16:54.526 --> 16:57.007 [SPEAKER_01]: And says he's done this before, right? 16:57.027 --> 16:58.368 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't he say he's done this before? 16:58.388 --> 16:58.928 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 16:59.068 --> 16:59.748 [SPEAKER_01]: Got to be careful. 16:59.968 --> 17:03.349 [SPEAKER_01]: Fisher grabs a stack of pads, which I'm sure you clocked. 17:03.929 --> 17:04.510 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right? 17:04.770 --> 17:05.190 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 17:05.670 --> 17:06.470 [SPEAKER_02]: Too many pads. 17:06.790 --> 17:08.631 [SPEAKER_02]: Just put it all in one pad. 17:08.651 --> 17:09.691 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't need all the pads. 17:10.132 --> 17:10.952 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't know. 17:11.172 --> 17:12.652 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, he had down. 17:13.353 --> 17:15.113 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we're in Fisher's bedroom. 17:15.133 --> 17:15.894 [SPEAKER_01]: He's sleeping. 17:17.294 --> 17:22.656 [SPEAKER_01]: The computer wakes him up at 7 a.m. And he's surprised at 7 a.m. 17:22.696 --> 17:24.677 [SPEAKER_01]: Already boy, that was quick. 17:24.697 --> 17:25.617 [SPEAKER_01]: It makes sense later. 17:26.357 --> 17:27.958 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you catch him rubbing his neck? 17:28.498 --> 17:28.798 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 17:29.238 --> 17:29.838 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 17:30.178 --> 17:30.378 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 17:31.118 --> 17:31.278 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh. 17:32.719 --> 17:33.359 [SPEAKER_01]: I loved that. 17:34.099 --> 17:35.200 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see it the first time. 17:35.220 --> 17:41.161 [SPEAKER_01]: But when I watched it through the second time, and knew about the chip that eventually comes out of him. 17:43.182 --> 17:43.882 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, geez. 17:44.422 --> 17:46.543 [SPEAKER_01]: But he was tracking that. 17:46.883 --> 17:48.083 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that was Michael. 17:48.143 --> 17:50.444 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that was or just coincidental. 17:52.466 --> 17:56.235 [SPEAKER_01]: It seemed like he was rubbing the exact spot where that chip comes out of. 17:57.282 --> 17:59.603 [SPEAKER_02]: It just seems like a move that he does normally, though. 17:59.903 --> 18:00.303 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 18:00.323 --> 18:05.425 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you're waking up, you might be like, you might stress a little on my knees just for. 18:05.905 --> 18:08.346 [SPEAKER_02]: But if it was intentional, that's awesome. 18:08.406 --> 18:09.367 [SPEAKER_02]: That they track. 18:09.667 --> 18:11.588 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's definitely intentional. 18:11.628 --> 18:12.068 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 18:12.388 --> 18:13.188 [SPEAKER_02]: Your vote is a time. 18:13.208 --> 18:14.609 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm putting money on it. 18:14.989 --> 18:17.290 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm 20% of that way. 18:17.470 --> 18:17.810 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no. 18:18.050 --> 18:21.112 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, are men's tiebreaker, what are you saying? 18:21.932 --> 18:24.093 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was intentional on Sid's part. 18:24.953 --> 18:27.174 [SPEAKER_00]: Ah, so then too. 18:27.254 --> 18:28.615 [SPEAKER_00]: That's that's on your side. 18:28.675 --> 18:29.235 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. 18:29.776 --> 18:31.196 [SPEAKER_02]: You got me when we went. 18:32.337 --> 18:35.659 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, um, and I did I didn't make a note here. 18:35.699 --> 18:40.661 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of lights on for him sleeping which I know it's a TV show. 18:40.821 --> 18:41.301 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know. 18:41.502 --> 18:44.803 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm like, there's lights, a hidden in everything's on. 18:44.863 --> 18:45.824 [SPEAKER_01]: How will you sleep? 18:46.604 --> 18:48.426 [SPEAKER_02]: And as a doctor, he should know better, right? 18:48.486 --> 18:53.850 [SPEAKER_01]: We literally are our shed, both recently, are our blackout shades for the bedroom. 18:54.351 --> 18:54.551 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 18:54.831 --> 18:57.774 [SPEAKER_01]: And I could not sleep for all these lives. 18:57.874 --> 18:58.394 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 18:58.474 --> 19:03.038 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, when you go back to visit New York, it's often very hard to stay awake. 19:03.098 --> 19:07.402 [SPEAKER_00]: Stay, excuse me, stay to sleep because of all the noise and all the lights that cover it. 19:07.642 --> 19:09.624 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I need blackness. 19:09.704 --> 19:10.525 [SPEAKER_01]: I need silence. 19:10.645 --> 19:21.574 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a mask that has Bluetooth speakers built in, so I can put a relaxation, like meditation, put on my free mask, which is a little button right there. 19:22.515 --> 19:23.776 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, a nice meditation. 19:23.796 --> 19:24.577 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very start track. 19:25.032 --> 19:25.672 [SPEAKER_01]: I want one. 19:25.712 --> 19:26.492 [SPEAKER_01]: But sure wakes up. 19:27.153 --> 19:29.113 [SPEAKER_01]: He a nice transition of him. 19:29.193 --> 19:30.253 [SPEAKER_01]: He gets up. 19:30.293 --> 19:33.694 [SPEAKER_01]: He walks to the lens to kind of block it out like that. 19:34.254 --> 19:38.075 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we cut outside and he's walking the same speed out of the door. 19:38.355 --> 19:39.375 [SPEAKER_01]: That's Michael Dorn. 19:39.635 --> 19:41.176 [SPEAKER_01]: That's Michael Dorn's transition. 19:41.376 --> 19:42.996 [SPEAKER_02]: Great job and a lot of yawning. 19:43.316 --> 19:45.977 [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to add a lot of yawning while he didn't sleep much. 19:46.017 --> 19:51.018 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't realize that it doesn't know seven AM and he only slept about an hour. 19:51.038 --> 19:51.058 [SPEAKER_01]: I 19:55.845 --> 19:57.447 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I just okay keep going. 19:57.567 --> 20:00.429 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's he's yawning all the time. 20:00.469 --> 20:05.474 [SPEAKER_01]: Me grabs his bag, which I had to comment here nice messenger bag. 20:05.514 --> 20:06.074 [SPEAKER_01]: I wrote down. 20:06.395 --> 20:11.780 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, like finally a realistic looking bag that didn't try to force to look star trekky. 20:11.840 --> 20:14.222 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel that there's a lot of those bags that are just. 20:15.273 --> 20:18.394 [SPEAKER_01]: What kind of bag did you have that you must have had an actor bag, Armon? 20:18.674 --> 20:19.555 [SPEAKER_01]: What was your actor bag? 20:19.935 --> 20:23.276 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a shoulder bag shoulder bag like a messenger bag kind of bag. 20:23.376 --> 20:24.197 [SPEAKER_00]: I like a duffel bag. 20:24.577 --> 20:25.197 [SPEAKER_00]: That's smaller. 20:25.477 --> 20:29.199 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't a duffel bag but it was smaller with all due respect. 20:29.559 --> 20:31.500 [SPEAKER_00]: They gave me one on Buffy I used it all the time. 20:31.820 --> 20:32.500 [SPEAKER_01]: You're cool. 20:32.600 --> 20:32.780 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 20:33.281 --> 20:33.541 [SPEAKER_01]: Nice. 20:33.961 --> 20:35.061 [SPEAKER_01]: I love an actor bag. 20:35.101 --> 20:38.523 [SPEAKER_01]: I love you got to put your scripts and your stuff when I was in New York. 20:38.563 --> 20:39.483 [SPEAKER_00]: I had a sat bag. 20:39.864 --> 20:41.784 [SPEAKER_00]: I had to just look at another one. 20:41.884 --> 20:44.386 [SPEAKER_00]: I led their sat bag that just put everything in. 20:44.406 --> 20:44.586 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 20:44.986 --> 20:45.306 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 20:45.926 --> 20:49.408 [SPEAKER_01]: I had when I was in New York Army because I did a lot of musical theater. 20:49.608 --> 20:53.109 [SPEAKER_01]: See, I have your tap shoes and you had to have all that stuff with you. 20:53.410 --> 20:55.470 [SPEAKER_01]: I had a hole like back back. 20:56.171 --> 20:58.172 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was a shoulder bag, but it was a big 20:58.932 --> 21:04.735 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, carried all the stuff for, you know, musical theater auditions, you know, it was part of the culture. 21:05.175 --> 21:05.395 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 21:05.995 --> 21:06.215 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 21:06.876 --> 21:14.239 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, anyway, he, uh, he's got his bag, he packs up, he tells Coca-Cola, goodbye, and Coca-Cola is sitting up straight. 21:15.059 --> 21:17.480 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Cisco calls everybody, senior staff. 21:17.500 --> 21:17.940 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 21:17.960 --> 21:20.001 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's also the pen over the pencil. 21:20.021 --> 21:20.422 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's right. 21:20.442 --> 21:20.782 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. 21:20.802 --> 21:25.944 [SPEAKER_00]: You pencil going under the sofa, which it took me two watches to figure out what that was all about. 21:26.184 --> 21:31.510 [SPEAKER_02]: The first I thought it was a paintbrush and then I realized it's not, it's a stylus. 21:31.590 --> 21:35.073 [SPEAKER_02]: And what's crazy is Robbie correct me from wrong. 21:35.194 --> 21:40.139 [SPEAKER_02]: Every time they've used a pad in prior episodes, no one uses a stylus. 21:40.299 --> 21:42.721 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, where did this stylus come out of all the pursuit? 21:42.741 --> 21:44.663 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, that uh, it was weird. 21:45.104 --> 21:47.807 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know if that's part of the, I don't know. 21:48.407 --> 21:49.447 [SPEAKER_02]: It was confusing to pay that. 21:49.547 --> 21:56.369 [SPEAKER_00]: It was probably written into this script as it's tell and it paid, I didn't get it the first time. 21:56.649 --> 21:57.950 [SPEAKER_00]: And watch the show a second time. 21:58.190 --> 21:59.550 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's what that's all about. 21:59.590 --> 22:01.611 [SPEAKER_01]: Explain it to me there because I still don't get it. 22:01.731 --> 22:02.211 [SPEAKER_01]: It fell. 22:02.291 --> 22:04.752 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't have time to get it and later it's there. 22:04.832 --> 22:05.792 [SPEAKER_00]: He looks for it. 22:05.992 --> 22:07.853 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not within reach anywhere. 22:08.313 --> 22:09.593 [SPEAKER_00]: He's tried and it's nothing. 22:09.613 --> 22:12.514 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he goes off to see Cisco when he comes back. 22:12.974 --> 22:13.634 [SPEAKER_00]: It's right there. 22:13.894 --> 22:14.514 [SPEAKER_00]: It's right there. 22:14.915 --> 22:15.795 [SPEAKER_00]: And I went, oh. 22:16.535 --> 22:26.042 [SPEAKER_02]: something's been more interesting or that's what they show that they show Kukulaka is now Yes, that's the same Yeah, it's the same town. 22:26.182 --> 22:26.923 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the same right? 22:26.963 --> 22:30.185 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, but I didn't get it the first time I thought why is this? 22:30.465 --> 22:32.307 [SPEAKER_00]: Why is he looking for a stylus under a sofa? 22:32.567 --> 22:39.992 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't get that Yeah, so I saw it the second time I put one in one together because it wasn't out of reach the way it was the first time That's great. 22:40.072 --> 22:40.593 [SPEAKER_01]: That's great. 22:40.653 --> 22:41.073 [SPEAKER_01]: I did. 22:41.113 --> 22:42.074 [SPEAKER_01]: I still didn't get it. 22:42.094 --> 22:42.854 [SPEAKER_01]: I watched it twice 22:43.835 --> 22:46.137 [SPEAKER_02]: Robby, did you know was your first watch? 22:46.277 --> 22:48.519 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you think it was a stylus or did you think it was a paintbrush? 22:48.539 --> 22:50.241 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you think it was a stylus? 22:50.561 --> 22:51.502 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was a stylus. 22:51.682 --> 22:51.942 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 22:52.122 --> 22:55.745 [SPEAKER_01]: But it does jump out because we're not used to seeing them in the third track. 22:56.426 --> 22:56.806 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 22:56.906 --> 22:57.447 [SPEAKER_02]: It's rare. 22:57.687 --> 22:59.128 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I've ever seen a stylus. 22:59.669 --> 23:02.611 [SPEAKER_02]: And from certain angles, it almost looked like an exacto knife. 23:02.691 --> 23:03.712 [SPEAKER_02]: It had a pointy end. 23:03.732 --> 23:05.354 [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought, wow, that's interesting too. 23:05.414 --> 23:06.655 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it wasn't like a fountain. 23:06.715 --> 23:06.915 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 23:06.935 --> 23:07.976 [SPEAKER_02]: We could have been maybe. 23:08.116 --> 23:08.336 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 23:08.897 --> 23:09.357 [SPEAKER_02]: Fountain pen. 23:09.777 --> 23:10.038 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe. 23:11.418 --> 23:22.145 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Cisco calls them all to Ops and then we cut to Bashir in the lift and we see the lights going by and I love that as well. 23:22.545 --> 23:29.749 [SPEAKER_01]: The lift ride was I've seen that version that that kind of transition done before not as effectively. 23:29.789 --> 23:35.472 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought Michael Durund did a great job kind of moving the lights on his face and then he walks out onto into Ops. 23:36.513 --> 23:38.914 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, when they shot it, the lift was not moving. 23:38.954 --> 23:43.916 [SPEAKER_01]: They were just filming his face with lights moving and then he went, when I said, you didn't want that lift to move. 23:44.096 --> 23:44.396 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 23:44.756 --> 23:45.636 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember. 23:45.656 --> 23:46.657 [SPEAKER_00]: It was very clunky. 23:46.897 --> 23:48.117 [SPEAKER_00]: It was enormously clunky. 23:48.497 --> 23:51.558 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why it works so well on that one episode where it got stuck in the middle. 23:51.598 --> 23:54.119 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that's normal operation. 23:54.800 --> 24:03.243 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, everyone's gathered in Ops and there's a nice POV when they're gathering their wondering what's going on of Cisco and Sloan in his office. 24:03.303 --> 24:04.223 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that would look cool. 24:04.655 --> 24:07.918 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and it was a nice grouping of of all of them down by the table there. 24:08.398 --> 24:10.040 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that looked really good to me. 24:10.140 --> 24:19.168 [SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah, while the series regular except for myself, all got one little line to say, you know, So they get their residual exactly. 24:19.865 --> 24:23.966 [SPEAKER_01]: It is nice of the writers and the producers to give the residual. 24:23.986 --> 24:27.786 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't have to do that, I don't know, they don't have to do it all. 24:27.987 --> 24:28.887 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no. 24:29.387 --> 24:31.227 [SPEAKER_01]: That is an, I guess, a nice thing, I don't. 24:31.667 --> 24:38.688 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm always skeptical of the studio or producers being nice, especially Star Trek producers being nice. 24:39.529 --> 24:42.409 [SPEAKER_00]: As I've often said, the paramount, the true for Rangie. 24:42.829 --> 24:43.229 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 24:43.829 --> 24:45.590 [SPEAKER_01]: 100, yeah. 24:45.650 --> 24:46.270 [SPEAKER_01]: 100 percent. 24:47.690 --> 24:50.052 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Cisco and Sloan come out to talk to the group. 24:50.392 --> 24:52.274 [SPEAKER_01]: Sloan tells them they're all confined to quarters. 24:52.314 --> 24:58.379 [SPEAKER_01]: There's been a security breach, a spy, or someone feeding information, a security breach of our DCase 9. 24:58.399 --> 25:01.642 [SPEAKER_01]: It appears someone's been passing information to the dominion. 25:01.662 --> 25:02.863 [SPEAKER_02]: Bye-bye. 25:04.244 --> 25:05.906 [SPEAKER_02]: But at this point, we meet Sloan. 25:05.946 --> 25:13.691 [SPEAKER_02]: We only know him as deputy director Sloan of internal affairs, a department I've never heard of until this episode. 25:13.711 --> 25:16.973 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know there was an internal star fleet in the internet. 25:17.173 --> 25:17.894 [SPEAKER_01]: There may not be. 25:19.895 --> 25:20.295 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 25:20.916 --> 25:21.476 [SPEAKER_02]: There you go. 25:21.616 --> 25:23.817 [SPEAKER_01]: He's working on me too, Sloan. 25:24.858 --> 25:28.299 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he says we're going to isolate all senior staff. 25:29.060 --> 25:30.140 [SPEAKER_01]: How's this place going to run? 25:30.441 --> 25:31.061 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 25:31.101 --> 25:32.842 [SPEAKER_00]: How's this place going to run? 25:32.862 --> 25:35.663 [SPEAKER_01]: The other place working is going to be quarks. 25:35.983 --> 25:36.544 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 25:36.604 --> 25:39.145 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's going to be drunk and gambling a lot. 25:39.245 --> 25:40.566 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's thrilled. 25:40.586 --> 25:42.007 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is a space station. 25:42.027 --> 25:44.128 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at the figure behind you. 25:44.928 --> 25:46.891 [SPEAKER_00]: Ships can't dock. 25:46.971 --> 26:01.989 [SPEAKER_00]: Who's the person there are just Kira and Dax or Brian are the people usually talking to ship captains and sing okay you can dock you can dock you know so there's no there's no commerce going on on this station Well these people are all locked up. 26:02.209 --> 26:02.509 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 26:03.530 --> 26:04.071 [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny. 26:04.111 --> 26:05.211 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a little weird. 26:05.331 --> 26:07.772 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they were locking up. 26:08.033 --> 26:08.293 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no. 26:08.453 --> 26:10.174 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking you can't fuck up. 26:10.294 --> 26:10.754 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no. 26:11.374 --> 26:13.775 [SPEAKER_01]: He couldn't just sit through anything. 26:13.795 --> 26:15.296 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, pretty much. 26:15.536 --> 26:18.098 [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, he starfleet. 26:18.238 --> 26:20.079 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what gives him the right to lock up? 26:20.099 --> 26:20.959 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right. 26:21.499 --> 26:24.661 [SPEAKER_01]: Bajorans and the constable. 26:24.741 --> 26:25.922 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not starfleet. 26:26.202 --> 26:28.323 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 26:29.243 --> 26:35.706 [SPEAKER_02]: But see, then this is when Cisco should have said, are you relieving me of duty as station commander? 26:35.726 --> 26:40.988 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, because if you're not, you do not get to confine my senior staff to quarters. 26:41.248 --> 26:42.889 [SPEAKER_02]: I am the commander of the station. 26:42.909 --> 26:43.849 [SPEAKER_02]: This is my territory. 26:44.070 --> 26:44.370 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 26:44.750 --> 26:45.670 [SPEAKER_01]: That would have been the argument. 26:45.690 --> 26:46.471 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is all. 26:46.591 --> 26:47.911 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, spoiler alert. 26:47.951 --> 26:48.732 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's all. 26:48.832 --> 26:49.152 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all. 26:49.952 --> 26:57.435 [SPEAKER_01]: Hall of Eximuation, you know, we know that now, but we didn't know we're watching it at the beginning, right? 26:57.615 --> 27:00.696 [SPEAKER_00]: So that end, I'm going, this is a spoiler alert as well to that end. 27:00.956 --> 27:01.216 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 27:02.097 --> 27:06.719 [SPEAKER_00]: When I started thinking about this episode, I got very, very frightened. 27:07.719 --> 27:11.781 [SPEAKER_00]: Because to me, I went, ah, this is the culmination of AI. 27:13.178 --> 27:19.585 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is with no real reality is good point and I said watch it the second time. 27:19.645 --> 27:25.711 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought this may be in our near future I think it's already happening, but this may be in our near future. 27:25.932 --> 27:30.516 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it's yeah Things are moving very fast in our world 27:32.378 --> 27:33.639 [SPEAKER_01]: We go back to Bishop's quarters. 27:33.659 --> 27:34.500 [SPEAKER_01]: He's pacing around. 27:34.520 --> 27:35.480 [SPEAKER_01]: You order some breakfast. 27:35.500 --> 27:36.581 [SPEAKER_01]: The replicators don't work. 27:37.281 --> 27:40.403 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh This is where he drops his pen in this scene. 27:40.443 --> 27:42.765 [SPEAKER_01]: He drops a pen under the couch right this here. 27:43.145 --> 27:54.972 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah This is going to drop set and then Chandler comes to bring him back to Sloan for some more questions Right, yeah, this is where he had zousa replicators are working 27:55.272 --> 27:55.892 [SPEAKER_01]: We're no. 27:56.172 --> 28:03.555 [SPEAKER_01]: When he's walking back to see Sloan again or to be interviewed for the first time, guards are rushing past him, armed guards. 28:04.296 --> 28:08.897 [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought this scene like the music was perfect. 28:09.198 --> 28:09.698 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes. 28:09.738 --> 28:11.178 [SPEAKER_01]: The vibes of this scene. 28:11.298 --> 28:15.160 [SPEAKER_01]: I've never felt that on Deep Space Nine before, right? 28:15.260 --> 28:17.721 [SPEAKER_01]: Never quite felt that sort of, I don't know. 28:17.881 --> 28:18.661 [SPEAKER_01]: Something captured. 28:18.701 --> 28:22.643 [SPEAKER_02]: How much input would Michael Dorne have on that, Robbie? 28:23.648 --> 28:50.157 [SPEAKER_01]: zero zero this was the music supervisor knocking it out of the park on his was the composer composer excuse me yeah it was really the composer and the orchestra yeah the producers will have some thoughts and the editor will throw in some library music in in a vein of what they want and then they have a what's called a music spotting session where they all go through and listen to the temp music and then talk about how they want to 28:51.037 --> 28:54.819 [SPEAKER_01]: create original music for that in the style or the feel of this. 28:55.379 --> 29:00.481 [SPEAKER_01]: However, the editor put in there as temp that inspired the composer to write this moment. 29:01.041 --> 29:06.423 [SPEAKER_01]: I've never felt on Star Trek anywhere, I'll be with you. 29:06.603 --> 29:11.645 [SPEAKER_01]: The vibe captured so beautifully as that moment of him just walking in the people running past. 29:11.725 --> 29:12.806 [SPEAKER_01]: I was literally like, 29:13.306 --> 29:13.567 [SPEAKER_01]: Whoa. 29:13.867 --> 29:14.608 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you attention. 29:15.028 --> 29:16.309 [SPEAKER_02]: I was on the edge of my seat as well. 29:16.750 --> 29:18.191 [SPEAKER_00]: You asked about the stylist before. 29:18.472 --> 29:19.953 [SPEAKER_00]: I asked now about why? 29:20.153 --> 29:21.195 [SPEAKER_00]: Why are they rushing by? 29:22.209 --> 29:26.010 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's, it's all, this is all a show. 29:26.371 --> 29:30.572 [SPEAKER_00]: I understand it, but even for that, knowing that, what is the purpose of that? 29:31.032 --> 29:36.554 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not complaining, I, I also founded intriguing and moving, not moving, but exciting. 29:36.794 --> 29:37.515 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 29:37.635 --> 29:40.336 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm going, I haven't watched it, I'm going to go off. 29:40.976 --> 29:43.157 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it doesn't pay off, what is this about? 29:44.177 --> 29:44.797 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true. 29:45.017 --> 29:46.678 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm happy to talk about that. 29:46.718 --> 29:48.638 [SPEAKER_02]: Just to wrap up the tension for the character. 29:48.658 --> 29:51.259 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's a good, that's an excellent answer. 29:51.459 --> 30:00.201 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, probably, it's probably just to give him the impression that things are very dangerous and he's got to help them. 30:00.261 --> 30:01.961 [SPEAKER_01]: He's gotten it, that they're very serious. 30:02.641 --> 30:03.182 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I guess. 30:03.502 --> 30:06.182 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because Bashir asks in the scene, he says, what's going on? 30:06.782 --> 30:08.703 [SPEAKER_01]: And Chandler goes, nothing you need to worry about. 30:09.533 --> 30:09.833 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 30:10.314 --> 30:17.180 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I think it's a throw him off a bit and make him feel unsettled and nervous. 30:17.520 --> 30:18.281 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 30:19.081 --> 30:21.323 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we go in the wardrobe, Sloan sitting at the table. 30:21.764 --> 30:22.645 [SPEAKER_01]: I made a comment. 30:22.705 --> 30:24.106 [SPEAKER_01]: He has very nice shoes on. 30:24.126 --> 30:26.448 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't normally see people shoes. 30:28.189 --> 30:29.931 [SPEAKER_02]: I did like his shoes. 30:30.011 --> 30:32.113 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're a fan of Sloan's shoes. 30:32.173 --> 30:33.434 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay. 30:33.935 --> 30:34.355 [SPEAKER_00]: I like it. 30:34.575 --> 30:38.197 [SPEAKER_00]: And what I liked about Bill's performance is the arc of it. 30:38.257 --> 30:41.458 [SPEAKER_00]: He is extremely nice in this scene. 30:43.019 --> 30:46.821 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was very smart of him to play it as charming as he did. 30:47.301 --> 30:49.222 [SPEAKER_00]: You could have played it many different ways. 30:49.802 --> 30:56.346 [SPEAKER_00]: And my experience is directors don't usually tell me anyway, or perhaps others, how to play a scene. 30:56.406 --> 30:58.947 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think this is all Bill's doing. 31:00.089 --> 31:05.902 [SPEAKER_00]: of just being as charming, as gracious, as likable as one could be. 31:06.323 --> 31:07.165 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree. 31:08.111 --> 31:15.113 [SPEAKER_01]: a great arc, a great arc and I and I would put this on Bill to have created that arc for himself. 31:15.313 --> 31:15.993 [SPEAKER_01]: That's my guess. 31:16.533 --> 31:29.496 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he put in some overtime in prepping for this character and clearly just see how how nuanced that role as or what his interpretation of that role and your right arm and you start off so super nice like that. 31:29.976 --> 31:32.617 [SPEAKER_02]: You can go in any direction from that point forward. 31:32.677 --> 31:35.397 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's very smart of him to start with that way. 31:35.717 --> 31:35.978 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree. 31:36.218 --> 31:36.458 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 31:36.898 --> 31:37.758 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's got nice shoes. 31:38.018 --> 31:40.040 [SPEAKER_01]: Ten is got great shoes. 31:41.081 --> 31:44.864 [SPEAKER_01]: We did, you know, here's the thing with shoes on a star trek. 31:45.244 --> 31:48.367 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes we got used shoes, like we talked about this before. 31:48.907 --> 31:55.292 [SPEAKER_01]: You get some shoes that have been on ten different episodes with ten different actors wearing them, and that's what you end up with. 31:57.214 --> 31:58.054 [SPEAKER_01]: And they look like it. 31:58.114 --> 32:01.397 [SPEAKER_01]: They look like leftover shoes from like the vintage, the thrift shop. 32:02.057 --> 32:03.698 [SPEAKER_01]: These shoes look nice. 32:04.059 --> 32:07.962 [SPEAKER_01]: They look new, they look beefy, they look good. 32:08.242 --> 32:12.305 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Sloan brings up Bashir's work with the genetically enhanced patients. 32:12.445 --> 32:15.347 [SPEAKER_01]: He brings up how he was taken prisoner by the dominion. 32:15.687 --> 32:18.349 [SPEAKER_01]: He's asking him a few of these things. 32:18.389 --> 32:20.130 [SPEAKER_01]: They talk about it and then Bashir heads out. 32:20.150 --> 32:23.053 [SPEAKER_01]: He asked for breakfast because he says my replicators not working. 32:24.093 --> 32:25.034 [SPEAKER_01]: Sloan is very friendly. 32:25.054 --> 32:27.214 [SPEAKER_01]: He says, well, bring you breakfast, whatever you want. 32:27.795 --> 32:32.937 [SPEAKER_01]: So like he said, Armin, he's very, he's very brief with the questions, not pushing anything too much. 32:32.997 --> 32:38.299 [SPEAKER_01]: Just bring up a couple topics and offers him breakfast and their friends, their buddies. 32:39.459 --> 32:42.360 [SPEAKER_00]: And Bashir says, I was expecting to have a really big grilled. 32:42.680 --> 32:42.920 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 32:43.240 --> 32:47.742 [SPEAKER_00]: I love the writing that he said, the writers had a Sloan saying, not this time. 32:48.182 --> 32:48.523 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 32:52.524 --> 32:54.206 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so Bashir heads out. 32:54.286 --> 32:58.369 [SPEAKER_01]: He goes back to his quarters and breakfast finally arrives. 32:58.650 --> 32:59.550 [SPEAKER_01]: He opens it up. 33:00.111 --> 33:02.173 [SPEAKER_01]: Hope takes the cover off and it's warmed. 33:02.573 --> 33:03.814 [SPEAKER_01]: Those were real worms. 33:04.035 --> 33:05.216 [SPEAKER_01]: That's been really good. 33:05.456 --> 33:06.096 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yes. 33:06.357 --> 33:09.219 [SPEAKER_02]: It was clicking on Gah, but they were definitely earthworms. 33:09.279 --> 33:12.182 [SPEAKER_01]: Because when he put the cover back on, one of them was trying to scream. 33:12.222 --> 33:14.324 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's not trying to escape. 33:16.045 --> 33:25.292 [SPEAKER_02]: So, this is what I have to say, and I want to ask both of you, at what point do both of you feel that the holographic simulation began in this episode? 33:25.332 --> 33:26.873 [SPEAKER_02]: Has it already begun at this point? 33:26.893 --> 33:27.934 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, absolutely. 33:28.295 --> 33:32.658 [SPEAKER_02]: So, the very first scene the time we see him, him walk, that's already the holographic. 33:32.998 --> 33:36.400 [SPEAKER_02]: When he wakes up, when he wakes up is when it starts. 33:36.861 --> 33:44.866 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, because for me, I thought it began when he is beamed out onto the way you'd ship. 33:44.906 --> 33:46.727 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I thought it began in that portion. 33:46.767 --> 33:48.728 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize that's how crazy I was. 33:48.748 --> 33:53.751 [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, he wakes up and works as Neckon says, it's already seven a.m. That's where it began. 33:53.771 --> 33:54.592 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where it began. 33:54.972 --> 33:58.013 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's explained in the last scene of the episode. 33:58.133 --> 34:02.494 [SPEAKER_00]: The very final one, the very final one, it's just explained, which I didn't catch the first time Gary. 34:02.534 --> 34:03.154 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't either. 34:03.494 --> 34:08.416 [SPEAKER_02]: I still didn't catch it, even by the time I watched it twice, and I did not see the second time either. 34:08.456 --> 34:11.637 [SPEAKER_02]: So until this recording, and you guys tell me that, I didn't know. 34:11.777 --> 34:16.518 [SPEAKER_02]: So thank you for enlightening me and making me feel like this is a bit to do today. 34:16.858 --> 34:19.999 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, intentionally, this is supposed to confuse Bashir. 34:20.659 --> 34:22.220 [SPEAKER_01]: It is a complicated plan. 34:23.800 --> 34:26.301 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, they just mentioned it very briefly. 34:26.562 --> 34:29.543 [SPEAKER_00]: At the end, is the final, in the very end. 34:30.263 --> 34:34.325 [SPEAKER_00]: When the crew is together and discussing what happened, that's when it happens. 34:34.666 --> 34:42.109 [SPEAKER_00]: It's when Hodo says, have very smart of them to take you off the station when you're supposed to go on vacation, when you're supposed to go to this site. 34:42.490 --> 34:42.970 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 34:43.190 --> 34:44.511 [SPEAKER_00]: So it happens then. 34:44.591 --> 34:47.032 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that day, he's hijacked immediately. 34:47.731 --> 34:49.832 [SPEAKER_02]: You, and he's just he was gone. 34:49.872 --> 34:50.532 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't know. 34:50.592 --> 34:53.353 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they thought he was on Vicki that he was going to the medical conference. 34:53.513 --> 34:54.113 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly. 34:54.754 --> 34:54.934 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 34:54.954 --> 34:57.875 [SPEAKER_02]: So they took him to that space station or wherever it was, right? 34:57.915 --> 34:59.935 [SPEAKER_02]: Where they used to have a little bit of grass on the other side. 34:59.955 --> 35:00.876 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, simulation. 35:01.196 --> 35:01.356 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:01.556 --> 35:03.797 [SPEAKER_01]: Which we'll talk about where that set was when we got there. 35:04.177 --> 35:04.457 [SPEAKER_01]: OK. 35:04.657 --> 35:05.658 [SPEAKER_01]: But all right. 35:05.718 --> 35:07.678 [SPEAKER_01]: So his breakfast arrives. 35:07.718 --> 35:08.699 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got some worms. 35:08.719 --> 35:10.479 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't want to eat it. 35:10.539 --> 35:12.020 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he lays back on the couch. 35:12.935 --> 35:16.437 [SPEAKER_01]: And he notices the pads seem to have been moved. 35:16.857 --> 35:17.077 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 35:17.297 --> 35:19.679 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he goes, he looks and finds his pencil. 35:19.779 --> 35:20.799 [SPEAKER_01]: So the style is, yes. 35:20.819 --> 35:21.720 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the style is. 35:21.860 --> 35:23.721 [SPEAKER_01]: So thank you, Harmon, for explaining. 35:23.741 --> 35:24.661 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause you're right. 35:24.721 --> 35:26.422 [SPEAKER_01]: The first time he tried to get it, he couldn't reach it. 35:27.222 --> 35:28.423 [SPEAKER_01]: And the second time it was just right. 35:28.443 --> 35:29.143 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very easy. 35:29.264 --> 35:30.264 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very easy to get to. 35:30.444 --> 35:30.704 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 35:30.944 --> 35:33.966 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he also notices, Kukalaka is tipped over. 35:34.086 --> 35:35.607 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's not the way, Litton. 35:37.267 --> 35:39.489 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but I love the Kukulaka tracks. 35:40.350 --> 35:41.892 [SPEAKER_01]: I just love Kukulaka's name. 35:42.412 --> 35:42.893 [SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome. 35:42.993 --> 35:46.476 [SPEAKER_01]: Kukulaka's moved and then Miles calls suddenly. 35:46.797 --> 35:48.238 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the first time that I went. 35:48.678 --> 35:48.879 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm? 35:49.519 --> 35:50.460 [SPEAKER_02]: I can see. 35:50.500 --> 35:50.901 [SPEAKER_02]: Right here. 35:50.921 --> 35:51.962 [SPEAKER_01]: This is when you guys went. 35:51.982 --> 35:52.723 [SPEAKER_00]: Miles calling me. 35:52.943 --> 35:53.183 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm? 35:54.084 --> 35:54.464 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 35:55.385 --> 36:04.613 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how can he do this and it's he seemed to be acting different like Colum was playing this moment a little suspicious in my mind. 36:04.673 --> 36:11.940 [SPEAKER_01]: It was it seemed a little too intense and without his normal character So it did feel like a bit like a simulation to me. 36:13.000 --> 36:17.584 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh really I didn't feel that at all, but I'm okay 36:18.960 --> 36:20.963 [SPEAKER_00]: I had a different, I had a different take on it. 36:21.203 --> 36:21.603 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you? 36:22.605 --> 36:25.308 [SPEAKER_00]: I know a little bit of column's work habits at that time. 36:25.929 --> 36:29.453 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and I thought he probably thought it's just a video. 36:29.513 --> 36:31.516 [SPEAKER_00]: Call he didn't hadn't taken a period. 36:31.556 --> 36:33.058 [SPEAKER_00]: He was reading one of the cards. 36:33.078 --> 36:33.778 [SPEAKER_00]: He might have been. 36:33.858 --> 36:34.559 [SPEAKER_00]: He might have been. 36:37.385 --> 36:44.571 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's a wonderful actor and how quickly he can make brilliant choices Yes, in a matter of minutes. 36:44.871 --> 36:48.234 [SPEAKER_00]: I am still a gag at, but I think in this one. 36:48.834 --> 36:50.595 [SPEAKER_00]: He was bigger than my fault. 36:50.635 --> 36:51.416 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he got caught. 36:51.436 --> 36:53.758 [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't pull me out, gentlemen. 36:53.838 --> 36:54.559 [SPEAKER_00]: I was fine with that. 36:54.579 --> 36:55.299 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it didn't pull me out. 36:55.319 --> 36:58.702 [SPEAKER_00]: I just thought, you know, did you look at the script before him? 37:00.801 --> 37:02.181 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't know what he was talking about. 37:02.642 --> 37:06.563 [SPEAKER_01]: As he's giving all the information to Bashir, he has no idea what it means. 37:06.843 --> 37:11.424 [SPEAKER_01]: But he does call, he says Sloan asked every single question about him about Bashir. 37:11.764 --> 37:13.065 [SPEAKER_01]: He grilled him for hours. 37:13.285 --> 37:16.566 [SPEAKER_01]: Two hours, two hours, yes, very intense. 37:16.586 --> 37:20.987 [SPEAKER_01]: So watch your back, be careful, be careful, and suddenly, Fritz, he fritzes out. 37:21.907 --> 37:24.929 [SPEAKER_01]: And as soon as he frets his out, two guards show up immediately. 37:25.510 --> 37:27.131 [SPEAKER_00]: So let me ask you a question. 37:27.151 --> 37:30.893 [SPEAKER_00]: The replicators don't work because they don't want them to have to make weapons. 37:30.933 --> 37:31.874 [SPEAKER_00]: So they're offline. 37:32.074 --> 37:32.795 [SPEAKER_00]: Correct. 37:33.415 --> 37:37.898 [SPEAKER_00]: But somehow O'Brien has access to his communicators. 37:38.098 --> 37:40.560 [SPEAKER_00]: He can talk to anybody in space that he wants to. 37:40.940 --> 37:42.041 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I was suspicious. 37:42.161 --> 37:43.541 [SPEAKER_02]: It felt suspicious to me. 37:43.601 --> 37:45.202 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but he's the Tinker. 37:45.322 --> 37:49.985 [SPEAKER_02]: If everything was taken away from people, he's the guy that can h-wire something, right? 37:50.065 --> 37:50.845 [SPEAKER_02]: Of any evidence. 37:50.865 --> 37:51.966 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I believed it. 37:52.326 --> 37:53.426 [SPEAKER_02]: But I was thinking... 37:53.446 --> 37:56.028 [SPEAKER_00]: It was antithetical to who I think O'Brien is. 37:56.188 --> 38:03.632 [SPEAKER_00]: If he was given an order not to do something, my opinion would be that O'Brien would obey orders. 38:04.032 --> 38:04.312 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 38:05.287 --> 38:07.029 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's a good probably, right? 38:07.689 --> 38:09.872 [SPEAKER_00]: He would his default is to follow orders. 38:09.912 --> 38:10.332 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 38:10.672 --> 38:13.715 [SPEAKER_02]: So this was the moment, both of you went, okay. 38:14.096 --> 38:16.258 [SPEAKER_02]: Like this is something seemed off here to me. 38:16.278 --> 38:17.079 [SPEAKER_00]: Something seemed off. 38:17.139 --> 38:19.661 [SPEAKER_00]: This this was a huge red blinking light. 38:19.701 --> 38:22.504 [SPEAKER_02]: But you bought in both of you bought in for all the scenes before this though? 38:22.564 --> 38:23.425 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, okay. 38:23.765 --> 38:24.025 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 38:24.225 --> 38:31.927 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we cut to the word room, Bashir goes in, sits at a very long table where we see Sloan off to the side. 38:32.747 --> 38:36.048 [SPEAKER_01]: And Sloan asks about Bashir's time as a prisoner. 38:36.368 --> 38:41.149 [SPEAKER_01]: When he was taken prisoner by the dominion, he says it was five weeks. 38:41.269 --> 38:44.029 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's some disagreement on the time. 38:44.049 --> 38:48.490 [SPEAKER_00]: And not as far as weeks, but as far as days in solitary. 38:48.690 --> 38:49.330 [SPEAKER_00]: It's solitary. 38:49.490 --> 38:50.431 [SPEAKER_00]: For that's what it was. 38:50.731 --> 38:51.431 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what it was. 38:51.531 --> 38:51.831 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 38:52.391 --> 38:55.814 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, five and seven five talk days or seven days. 38:55.894 --> 38:56.835 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right, not weeks. 38:57.235 --> 38:58.836 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Mark talks that it was seven. 38:58.856 --> 39:00.577 [SPEAKER_01]: He said no, it was five. 39:00.938 --> 39:01.878 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't seven days. 39:01.918 --> 39:09.384 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a bit of a Sloan is pushing here and be sure is giving an answer, but Sloan's not believing him. 39:09.464 --> 39:15.409 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not believing him trying to to test his, you know, memory. 39:15.769 --> 39:16.069 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 39:16.609 --> 39:19.891 [SPEAKER_02]: Is this the scene where I'll be where you see Sloan at the back of the room? 39:20.151 --> 39:20.931 [SPEAKER_02]: The very back. 39:20.971 --> 39:21.191 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 39:21.431 --> 39:22.352 [SPEAKER_02]: And then yeah. 39:22.672 --> 39:23.552 [SPEAKER_02]: And it stays there. 39:23.652 --> 39:25.413 [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of like that shot to be. 39:25.473 --> 39:27.394 [SPEAKER_02]: I did do the very artistic. 39:27.434 --> 39:34.336 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's very what you'd call symmetrical or center punch kind of shot where the table is lined up right there. 39:34.396 --> 39:35.937 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, that was beautiful. 39:36.337 --> 39:37.658 [SPEAKER_02]: to have slow to the back of the room. 39:37.698 --> 39:39.639 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the shot right where he's in the back corner. 39:39.699 --> 39:42.561 [SPEAKER_01]: It might seem like a great job in blocking this episode. 39:42.842 --> 39:45.203 [SPEAKER_01]: The bugging was really elegant. 39:45.583 --> 39:48.425 [SPEAKER_01]: It moved the camera when you needed to move the camera. 39:48.546 --> 39:51.488 [SPEAKER_01]: It was, uh, yeah, it was really well done. 39:51.768 --> 39:52.408 [SPEAKER_01]: It's impressive. 39:52.748 --> 39:52.949 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 39:53.209 --> 39:56.211 [SPEAKER_01]: Sloan questions him about how he beamed himself back to the runabout. 39:56.271 --> 39:57.432 [SPEAKER_01]: Why would they leave the runabout? 39:58.160 --> 40:00.140 [SPEAKER_01]: just orbiting seems convenient. 40:01.321 --> 40:07.402 [SPEAKER_01]: Sloan basically says that he's got suppressed memories and an engrammatic dissociation is what he calls it. 40:07.502 --> 40:13.704 [SPEAKER_01]: He's basically saying that they put some memories or he's like the mentoring candidate. 40:13.724 --> 40:15.444 [SPEAKER_01]: He's saying you're a mentoring candidate. 40:15.844 --> 40:18.585 [SPEAKER_01]: They've hypnotized program to you. 40:19.025 --> 40:19.965 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all suppressed. 40:20.005 --> 40:27.367 [SPEAKER_01]: This engrammatic dissociation where you're not aware of it, but they've programmed you to be a spy. 40:27.827 --> 40:32.349 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and things get really heated here, Bashir says I don't have any repressed memories. 40:32.409 --> 40:36.772 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have it And I'm not working for the Dominion and he finally says I want to lawyer. 40:37.092 --> 40:40.434 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to talk about the sending more Sloan is very angry. 40:40.654 --> 40:45.976 [SPEAKER_01]: He says he thinks that Bashir believes he's smarter than the rest of them because you're genetically enhanced 40:47.097 --> 40:52.879 [SPEAKER_01]: and Sloan vows to find out what's really going on and lock him up for good. 40:53.299 --> 40:55.520 [SPEAKER_01]: So things have gone downhill for this friendship. 40:57.741 --> 41:03.603 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it seems to me Sloan's agenda to infuse doubt into the sheer doubt. 41:05.144 --> 41:08.728 [SPEAKER_00]: The five and seven days, I think, is part of that policy. 41:09.169 --> 41:11.131 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this is part of the policy. 41:11.551 --> 41:16.396 [SPEAKER_00]: I think, I think, and for us, not just for Bashir, but for the audience as well. 41:16.516 --> 41:16.977 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 41:17.397 --> 41:17.698 [SPEAKER_00]: Doubt. 41:18.058 --> 41:18.358 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 41:19.199 --> 41:25.661 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I was kind of, I thought, oh, wow, this is an interesting strategy that Dominion has, if they did this. 41:25.781 --> 41:28.722 [SPEAKER_01]: If this is true, it's very interesting. 41:28.862 --> 41:35.284 [SPEAKER_00]: Because the logic would, and certainly Cisco says it later in another scene, it would make sense that this could happen. 41:35.804 --> 41:38.065 [SPEAKER_00]: This is not, this is not fantasy. 41:38.085 --> 41:39.385 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a possibility. 41:39.405 --> 41:39.605 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 41:39.845 --> 41:42.486 [SPEAKER_00]: And we the audience go, you know, Cisco's right. 41:43.086 --> 41:45.627 [SPEAKER_00]: This could possibly happen without, but you're ever knowing. 41:45.947 --> 41:46.187 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 41:46.527 --> 41:50.654 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love the exchange when Sloan says, did you meet with anyone that week? 41:51.075 --> 41:52.337 [SPEAKER_01]: Then be sure to say, I was alone. 41:52.598 --> 41:54.621 [SPEAKER_01]: And Sloan goes, are you sure about that? 41:54.641 --> 41:57.666 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure goes, wait, let me think. 41:58.472 --> 42:00.814 [SPEAKER_01]: Was I alone in solitaire? 42:01.654 --> 42:03.375 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I think it's lovely writing. 42:03.435 --> 42:04.536 [SPEAKER_01]: They laugh. 42:05.136 --> 42:07.218 [SPEAKER_01]: Sid was so good with his delivery there. 42:07.318 --> 42:08.038 [SPEAKER_01]: Great writing. 42:08.118 --> 42:10.060 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it was. 42:10.340 --> 42:11.601 [SPEAKER_02]: Robin, there was an added punch. 42:11.641 --> 42:12.361 [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you. 42:12.441 --> 42:17.725 [SPEAKER_02]: And to your point, if the added punch was the pronunciation of solitary with the British action, it's solitary. 42:18.165 --> 42:20.386 [SPEAKER_02]: Solitary, it's not solitary, but solitary. 42:21.805 --> 42:22.226 [SPEAKER_01]: Solitary. 42:22.626 --> 42:23.086 [SPEAKER_01]: So good. 42:23.407 --> 42:27.791 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this friendship is called Way Down Hill from the first time they talked. 42:28.952 --> 42:33.636 [SPEAKER_01]: We cut to the promenade where they're Parading this year down the promenade. 42:35.137 --> 42:36.598 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if they're parading. 42:36.618 --> 42:37.099 [SPEAKER_02]: They're just... 42:37.319 --> 42:55.135 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 42:55.715 --> 43:08.485 [SPEAKER_01]: Cisco steps in, is angry they're parading Julian through the promenade, Kira and Quirk are there, and Kira says, we'll get, we'll get you out of this Julian, and Quirk says, I'm sure it's all a mistake. 43:09.833 --> 43:10.173 [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't it? 43:10.914 --> 43:11.834 [SPEAKER_01]: It was Ferris. 43:12.975 --> 43:14.135 [SPEAKER_01]: You made me laugh as well. 43:14.315 --> 43:14.775 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. 43:14.795 --> 43:15.616 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was Debuffy. 43:15.636 --> 43:16.836 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm quite sure that day. 43:16.896 --> 43:18.137 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're not Debuffy. 43:18.697 --> 43:19.818 [SPEAKER_02]: That's your residual scene. 43:19.858 --> 43:21.058 [SPEAKER_02]: That's my residual scene. 43:21.078 --> 43:21.679 [SPEAKER_02]: Your line was. 43:21.739 --> 43:22.339 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. 43:22.979 --> 43:23.940 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a tough one. 43:23.980 --> 43:24.680 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a tough one. 43:24.700 --> 43:26.721 [SPEAKER_02]: But somebody had to say, love it. 43:26.841 --> 43:27.341 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it. 43:27.701 --> 43:28.002 [SPEAKER_00]: Was it? 43:28.022 --> 43:30.283 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they almost think that they paraded him down. 43:30.863 --> 43:33.104 [SPEAKER_00]: The promenade to give me that residual. 43:34.284 --> 43:36.306 [SPEAKER_02]: So this has got to be a way we can pull cork in. 43:36.546 --> 43:37.286 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. 43:37.426 --> 43:37.846 [SPEAKER_00]: It's boat. 43:37.866 --> 43:38.327 [SPEAKER_01]: There you are. 43:38.527 --> 43:39.807 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you made me laugh. 43:40.108 --> 43:40.348 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 43:40.808 --> 43:42.269 [SPEAKER_02]: It was memorable. 43:42.349 --> 43:43.349 [SPEAKER_02]: One time was memorable. 43:43.389 --> 43:44.030 [SPEAKER_02]: I was great. 43:44.250 --> 43:44.570 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 43:45.050 --> 43:45.951 [SPEAKER_01]: We go in security. 43:46.491 --> 43:47.231 [SPEAKER_01]: Otto was not there. 43:47.271 --> 43:48.752 [SPEAKER_01]: He's confined to his quarters too. 43:48.812 --> 43:50.073 [SPEAKER_01]: We learn in the scene. 43:51.834 --> 43:53.795 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to see him confined to his board. 43:54.355 --> 44:01.997 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought the same thing, like he'd just morph into, you know, they didn't have that one machine in that one episode that completely contained him where he couldn't get out. 44:02.117 --> 44:02.758 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you guys remember that? 44:02.798 --> 44:05.498 [SPEAKER_02]: There was a, there was that one device that, but he's not in the machine. 44:05.678 --> 44:05.858 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not. 44:05.878 --> 44:06.199 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not. 44:06.559 --> 44:09.039 [SPEAKER_02]: He's in his quarters, and he can get out of that easily. 44:09.099 --> 44:13.861 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what he's, you know, the air ducts, and he, there's thousands of ways to guess. 44:13.901 --> 44:15.721 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, venting. 44:15.941 --> 44:19.943 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and then they're about to say something in a moment that I went, I thought he was in his quarters. 44:20.243 --> 44:20.603 [SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead. 44:21.683 --> 44:28.129 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we go to the holding area before you do, they say that, maybe it's not there, but go ahead. 44:28.629 --> 44:29.250 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll catch it. 44:29.330 --> 44:32.493 [SPEAKER_01]: But sure says where's Odo, Chandler says he's in his quarters. 44:32.653 --> 44:35.095 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be handling security for the time being. 44:35.295 --> 44:40.280 [SPEAKER_00]: And before we go, just to go back to Kira and Quark standing there. 44:40.560 --> 44:40.800 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 44:41.141 --> 44:42.562 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought Kira was in her quarters. 44:43.977 --> 44:45.357 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes. 44:46.838 --> 44:47.918 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my goodness. 44:47.958 --> 44:51.679 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, would Cisco be also confined to his quarters? 44:52.099 --> 44:53.939 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, well, why would he be confined? 44:53.959 --> 44:55.380 [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't see him being confined. 44:55.400 --> 44:57.580 [SPEAKER_00]: We only saw the senior staff, not the captain. 44:57.820 --> 45:04.302 [SPEAKER_00]: But if Odo still in his quarters, shouldn't Kira still be in her quarters? 45:04.542 --> 45:04.842 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 45:04.862 --> 45:04.942 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 45:05.002 --> 45:08.883 [SPEAKER_01]: Unless she's been questioned and released, but it's not, it's not clear. 45:08.943 --> 45:09.263 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 45:09.483 --> 45:10.483 [SPEAKER_01]: She should be in her quarters. 45:10.823 --> 45:11.884 [SPEAKER_02]: You caught that one. 45:11.924 --> 45:12.424 [SPEAKER_01]: That's good. 45:12.544 --> 45:13.064 [SPEAKER_01]: Good catch. 45:14.184 --> 45:23.449 [SPEAKER_01]: We go to the cell area, the holding area, Kagan takes the handcuffs off, and Kagan and Chandler blame Bashir for their friends' deaths in this scene. 45:24.049 --> 45:24.950 [SPEAKER_01]: So they're very 45:25.927 --> 45:33.892 [SPEAKER_01]: We get from the guards that they're not just doing their job, but they're personally very invested in this. 45:33.912 --> 45:35.513 [SPEAKER_01]: Because they've lost people, Frank. 45:35.553 --> 45:35.793 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 45:36.613 --> 45:37.554 [SPEAKER_00]: And to bring an attack. 45:38.254 --> 45:46.559 [SPEAKER_02]: And this tracks because, yeah, we learned about the seventh fleet being decimated in an earlier episode of DS9 in a tracks into this one. 45:46.599 --> 45:47.500 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's perfect. 45:47.700 --> 45:48.040 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it. 45:48.540 --> 45:50.741 [SPEAKER_01]: uh we come back a little later after the break. 45:50.781 --> 45:57.484 [SPEAKER_01]: Cisco's in the holding area he demands time with Bashir he wants it to be private and Sloan pops out of the shadows. 45:57.884 --> 46:09.129 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say Sloan pops out of the red lit area and the other part is white and so you kind of feel this like evil he's coming out of the evil side of the room. 46:09.149 --> 46:12.691 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think Michael Doer was thinking they're had to be some attention there too? 46:13.011 --> 46:31.285 [SPEAKER_01]: could have been Jonathan West just thinking oh let me bring him out of something's dangerous looking I'll put red light back there but it worked for me it was very shadowy and it sure did red and dangerous looking and he did come out of nowhere I was like oh you kind of shocked me I'm like oh geez there he is hello he's in a holiday so I know 46:32.425 --> 46:56.592 [SPEAKER_01]: get that rubbing now we know I know everywhere at the same time remember I'm still not at the point where I think it's all that yet so that's how bad I am right now go ahead well he blames his son's death on the spy so we see not only are the guards invested but but Sloan is personally invested his son died surprisingly because of 46:57.682 --> 47:11.756 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that better news is brought up by Cisco correct Cisco says that doesn't it yeah, so we did some searching and this is what we found so yeah, okay, so though who did the searching do you remember? 47:12.096 --> 47:14.778 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no did the searching auto in his quarters 47:18.061 --> 47:23.785 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, who's applicator doesn't work, but somehow he can do searching and find out about this. 47:23.965 --> 47:27.027 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's fun about it about the super secret internal affair. 47:27.067 --> 47:27.347 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 47:27.387 --> 47:27.727 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 47:27.747 --> 47:28.668 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 47:28.788 --> 47:29.528 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 47:30.209 --> 47:30.509 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 47:30.809 --> 47:32.450 [SPEAKER_01]: He's very invested personally. 47:32.510 --> 47:38.734 [SPEAKER_01]: Cisco says, as long as I'm captain, I get to see my crew privately, and I'm one privacy. 47:39.074 --> 47:39.294 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 47:39.614 --> 47:44.537 [SPEAKER_01]: So moving forward, I'm going to sit, Cisco says, I'm going to sit in all interrogations. 47:44.717 --> 47:45.938 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to protect my staff. 47:46.178 --> 47:55.123 [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought this was excellent writing because, despite what we'll find out later on in the episode, this is portraying Cisco as he would normally do. 47:56.064 --> 48:01.007 [SPEAKER_00]: He was, he's protecting his senior staff, he's protecting his doctors, protecting his friend. 48:01.787 --> 48:11.513 [SPEAKER_00]: And the writers are very smart and not to shift that personality simply to match the plotline that we have for this episode. 48:11.713 --> 48:12.294 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree. 48:12.334 --> 48:12.894 [SPEAKER_01]: I did this. 48:13.394 --> 48:18.858 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the second time I watched it, I knew that this was all a holiday simulation, but the first time I watched it, I didn't. 48:18.979 --> 48:22.061 [SPEAKER_01]: And that kept me invested in this being real. 48:22.461 --> 48:23.982 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, keeping Cisco real. 48:24.603 --> 48:27.765 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in the way that the miles phone call felt something like that. 48:27.785 --> 48:28.206 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 48:28.366 --> 48:28.786 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. 48:29.086 --> 48:31.048 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it didn't seem as I said before. 48:31.408 --> 48:33.470 [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't seem like something miles would do. 48:33.950 --> 48:34.090 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 48:34.110 --> 48:36.011 [SPEAKER_00]: Where's this is something that Cisco would do. 48:36.332 --> 48:36.552 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 48:36.852 --> 48:45.201 [SPEAKER_01]: At the very end, Cisco promises Bashir that he's going to get this all straightened out and we cut to the Wardroom where Cisco is now present for an interrogation. 48:45.542 --> 48:50.847 [SPEAKER_01]: Sloan brings up Bashir trying to save Gemma to our lives in BoPEC 3, so another episode he talks about. 48:51.568 --> 48:55.993 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, look at you, you were trying to save these Gemma to our, you really care about them. 48:56.373 --> 49:03.735 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I have to say, over the course of all the episodes we've done together, I tend to be a little bit cromudgently about things that don't make sense. 49:03.975 --> 49:09.156 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems to me that the writers were doing the same thing and doing this for a number of episodes. 49:09.196 --> 49:11.896 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, where they go, you know, we probably shouldn't have done it that way. 49:12.577 --> 49:13.677 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, they're making a man's. 49:13.957 --> 49:15.617 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they're trying to make sense of it. 49:15.757 --> 49:18.758 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're giving a story that's going to pull together all these. 49:19.698 --> 49:22.941 [SPEAKER_01]: Los Angeles that seemed a little confusing. 49:23.001 --> 49:25.024 [SPEAKER_01]: Why would he be helping the Geminar? 49:25.564 --> 49:26.385 [SPEAKER_01]: But he brings that up. 49:27.606 --> 49:28.988 [SPEAKER_01]: Cisco says that's irrelevant. 49:29.008 --> 49:33.272 [SPEAKER_01]: It was before he allegedly became a spy when he was a prisoner. 49:33.892 --> 49:37.016 [SPEAKER_01]: And Sloan says, well, it proves that he was sympathetic to the Geminar. 49:37.576 --> 49:38.537 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not irrelevant. 49:38.757 --> 49:48.204 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Sloan brings up the genetically enhanced patients, and how he shared battle plans with them, and how they recommended that Starfleet surrender. 49:48.464 --> 49:50.306 [SPEAKER_01]: He asked this go-to-do you agree with this? 49:50.866 --> 49:53.128 [SPEAKER_01]: Ideances, because there's no, I did not agree. 49:53.408 --> 49:56.090 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's a hard statement for Cisco to make. 49:56.270 --> 49:57.071 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it was. 49:57.491 --> 49:57.912 [SPEAKER_01]: It was. 49:58.973 --> 50:04.617 [SPEAKER_01]: And it looks like what Sloan's putting together in this scene made sense today. 50:05.965 --> 50:07.226 [SPEAKER_01]: Did it make sense to you guys? 50:07.266 --> 50:08.907 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I totally bought it. 50:09.067 --> 50:13.950 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe that was possible that he could have a compartmentalized his memories. 50:14.650 --> 50:18.533 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really buying into this now, a thousand percent. 50:18.873 --> 50:28.358 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's surprising to me, because it's such an out-of-law field story that shares a spy, but they're making it make sense to me. 50:29.419 --> 50:32.140 [SPEAKER_00]: Isn't it any more bizarre than him being enhanced, you know? 50:32.180 --> 50:34.782 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's true, that's true, that's true. 50:35.702 --> 50:38.784 [SPEAKER_01]: Sloan says that Bashir has a pattern of lying. 50:39.084 --> 50:41.645 [SPEAKER_01]: Bashir by the end of the scene is also confused. 50:42.145 --> 50:45.967 [SPEAKER_01]: He says, thinking maybe, maybe I have been brainwashed. 50:46.047 --> 50:48.008 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's true with all this stuff he's saying. 50:48.328 --> 50:53.169 [SPEAKER_01]: But he swears it didn't happen, he asks if Cisco believes him and Cisco says, yes, I believe you. 50:53.349 --> 50:53.849 [SPEAKER_01]: But you're right. 50:53.869 --> 50:54.690 [SPEAKER_01]: It is possible. 50:55.230 --> 50:59.111 [SPEAKER_00]: And then since this is words, he says, I don't think you're lying. 50:59.831 --> 51:01.471 [SPEAKER_00]: But I do think it's possible. 51:01.511 --> 51:02.771 [SPEAKER_00]: He parses his words. 51:03.071 --> 51:03.332 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 51:03.492 --> 51:05.532 [SPEAKER_01]: It was excellent writing, excellent writing. 51:05.712 --> 51:07.473 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he says, try to get some sleep. 51:07.493 --> 51:08.633 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about this in the morning. 51:08.653 --> 51:13.974 [SPEAKER_01]: So it seems like Sloan is is winning the the match at this point. 51:14.354 --> 51:17.235 [SPEAKER_00]: We are, I as an audience member was believing Sloan. 51:18.915 --> 51:21.237 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is possible. 51:21.257 --> 51:21.617 [SPEAKER_01]: Me too. 51:21.777 --> 51:23.838 [SPEAKER_01]: I like this last image of Julian just sitting. 51:23.858 --> 51:28.421 [SPEAKER_01]: He like shrunk down to the floor, crouched down or lonely guy. 51:28.801 --> 51:29.862 [SPEAKER_01]: Very cool image there. 51:29.902 --> 51:30.823 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, nice image. 51:32.564 --> 51:36.446 [SPEAKER_01]: After the break, a little later, Bashir is walking up by lights coming on. 51:36.466 --> 51:43.490 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to close up and as he sits up, we see he's being taken to star base 53 for more interrogation. 51:43.830 --> 51:46.612 [SPEAKER_01]: Or Sloan says you could just sign this confession right now. 51:47.177 --> 51:49.799 [SPEAKER_01]: could sign him for sure says throw it out the nearest airlock. 51:50.079 --> 51:55.624 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not signing that he gets cuffed or as he puts his hands out to get cuffed. 51:56.485 --> 52:02.209 [SPEAKER_01]: He suddenly gets beaned out, but it wasn't a starfleet beam. 52:02.529 --> 52:03.830 [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's dominion beam out. 52:04.050 --> 52:04.310 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 52:04.570 --> 52:14.036 [SPEAKER_00]: The exchange of the pads, you can sign this or, uh, you know, or make a confession and then they switch pads and I, I thought really couldn't do that on one pad. 52:14.277 --> 52:15.617 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, exactly. 52:15.778 --> 52:17.138 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we've talked about that. 52:17.178 --> 52:20.521 [SPEAKER_02]: That's, that gets in Garrett's crawl. 52:20.561 --> 52:22.322 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's, that's where I get to go. 52:22.902 --> 52:23.363 [SPEAKER_02]: for me. 52:23.523 --> 52:25.364 [SPEAKER_01]: One pad for all things. 52:25.885 --> 52:28.286 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't understand data storage back then. 52:28.627 --> 52:30.868 [SPEAKER_02]: Remember, my first computer was 4K of RAM. 52:31.469 --> 52:33.831 [SPEAKER_02]: RadioShack TRS 804K of RAM. 52:33.851 --> 52:34.631 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how much memory. 52:34.811 --> 52:35.672 [SPEAKER_02]: That's nothing. 52:35.952 --> 52:36.233 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 52:36.253 --> 52:37.394 [SPEAKER_02]: He beams out. 52:37.494 --> 52:40.236 [SPEAKER_01]: He beams out to a Kardashian ship and there's why you. 52:40.696 --> 52:41.317 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, good. 52:41.337 --> 52:43.118 [SPEAKER_01]: This way and says welcome home. 52:43.278 --> 52:46.160 [SPEAKER_01]: So now, yeah, it does feel like Sloan is 52:49.583 --> 52:53.364 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Wayne says Bashir is a great operative, Bashir denies it. 52:53.604 --> 52:55.465 [SPEAKER_01]: Wayne says it always goes like this. 52:55.485 --> 53:03.888 [SPEAKER_01]: If she denies it, and then you start to remember, so he tries to get him to remember with details, which is a technique of memory recall. 53:03.948 --> 53:13.292 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Bashir does not remember any of this, but he does realize, wait a minute, Wayne and Sloan are both trying to do the same thing. 53:13.512 --> 53:15.653 [SPEAKER_01]: He says Sloan is the traitor. 53:16.033 --> 53:22.679 [SPEAKER_01]: and suddenly when he says that and alarm goes off, Cisco is approaching our heroes are approaching to save him. 53:22.699 --> 53:28.605 [SPEAKER_01]: There's some shootouts or weapons fire that sparks warfare and cure arrive. 53:28.645 --> 53:33.329 [SPEAKER_01]: They fight the the Kardashians and save, um, but sure. 53:33.469 --> 53:34.991 [SPEAKER_01]: They save him, beam out. 53:36.652 --> 53:39.395 [SPEAKER_01]: So, where were you in the, uh, 53:39.988 --> 53:42.590 [SPEAKER_01]: in the game of is this real or is this not real? 53:43.090 --> 53:43.490 [SPEAKER_01]: You guys. 53:43.790 --> 53:46.932 [SPEAKER_00]: At this point, I was quite before this happened. 53:46.992 --> 53:50.575 [SPEAKER_00]: I was quite sure that they were right, some was right. 53:50.735 --> 53:55.337 [SPEAKER_00]: And then this sort of went, oh, you know, maybe I was with me again. 53:59.720 --> 54:03.762 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I began to think we'll meet not so fast arm and not so fast. 54:04.142 --> 54:08.204 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was beginning to leave the fantasy at this point. 54:08.564 --> 54:08.884 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 54:08.924 --> 54:16.067 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we go back to the bridge where Bashir has been rescued and Cisco asks, and the bridge is the defiant. 54:16.147 --> 54:17.648 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess we're on the bridge of the defiant, right? 54:17.828 --> 54:18.688 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 54:18.708 --> 54:22.550 [SPEAKER_01]: Cisco asks, why did the Dominion beam him out? 54:22.690 --> 54:23.710 [SPEAKER_01]: Why did the impact? 54:23.771 --> 54:23.991 [SPEAKER_01]: Looks bad. 54:24.011 --> 54:24.611 [SPEAKER_01]: Looks bad. 54:25.031 --> 54:25.251 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 54:25.671 --> 54:30.492 [SPEAKER_01]: And Bashir insists Sloan is working with me, not me, Sloan's working with the bad guys. 54:31.152 --> 54:34.593 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the whole crew starts turning on him, calling Bashir a traitor. 54:34.953 --> 54:42.955 [SPEAKER_01]: Bashir grabs miles by the shoulder of the arm or something, and miles sort of throws him off and says, get away from me, you traitor, something like that. 54:43.375 --> 54:45.716 [SPEAKER_01]: But suddenly Bashir says, hold on a second. 54:46.776 --> 54:50.477 [SPEAKER_01]: What about your shoulder injury, and miles says, oh, it's fine. 54:51.118 --> 54:58.796 [SPEAKER_01]: And be sure, says, yeah, but you came to me earlier, you heard a playing spring ball, and my love is, yeah, it's better now. 54:59.977 --> 55:01.478 [SPEAKER_01]: And he says, it wasn't spring ball. 55:01.498 --> 55:04.901 [SPEAKER_01]: So smart, smart, but he, he catches him. 55:04.921 --> 55:08.084 [SPEAKER_01]: He is, it was kayaking, not spring ball. 55:08.224 --> 55:09.044 [SPEAKER_01]: You got it. 55:09.785 --> 55:11.406 [SPEAKER_01]: He realizes it was all fake. 55:11.426 --> 55:14.709 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's when the bridge sort of fades out to become the holodec. 55:15.550 --> 55:16.631 [SPEAKER_01]: Now let's talk about this. 55:17.631 --> 55:23.716 [SPEAKER_01]: This holodec said, I think was the Voyager holodec set on our stage eight or no one in the list. 55:23.977 --> 55:24.257 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 55:24.757 --> 55:26.779 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you guys must have come over, right? 55:26.839 --> 55:27.539 [SPEAKER_01]: Why not that? 55:27.559 --> 55:27.980 [SPEAKER_01]: Why not? 55:29.501 --> 55:34.024 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's if you look at the walls, they're definitely Voyager's dark gray walls, those doors. 55:34.084 --> 55:39.167 [SPEAKER_02]: We've seen those doors a million times in all the holiday program episodes we've done. 55:39.187 --> 55:40.288 [SPEAKER_02]: We should have been many. 55:40.548 --> 55:42.970 [SPEAKER_02]: Robby and I have been a many times on that set. 55:43.010 --> 55:44.191 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so we both saw that. 55:44.211 --> 55:45.672 [SPEAKER_00]: We were like, yep, that's our set. 55:45.692 --> 55:46.452 [SPEAKER_00]: That's our couple. 55:46.632 --> 55:47.873 [SPEAKER_02]: That is my trivia here. 55:47.953 --> 55:51.636 [SPEAKER_02]: Star Trek Voyager Haldik said is used as a section 31 Haldik in this episode. 55:51.836 --> 55:52.576 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really? 55:52.596 --> 55:54.958 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a bit of trivia I have a little further down here. 55:56.199 --> 55:56.899 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we called it. 55:57.059 --> 55:57.620 [SPEAKER_02]: It was our home. 55:58.708 --> 56:07.812 [SPEAKER_02]: I love that, because we came to your bar for our business, you know, I would have come and watch filming if I knew that you guys were filming that day for sure. 56:07.872 --> 56:10.653 [SPEAKER_02]: If I wasn't working, 100% I would have come to see that. 56:11.753 --> 56:12.474 [SPEAKER_01]: That's very cool. 56:12.534 --> 56:16.075 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's the holiday, it's all been a holiday. 56:16.515 --> 56:21.237 [SPEAKER_01]: Sloan is in black leather, and I wrote, wow, very hot. 56:21.958 --> 56:25.359 [SPEAKER_01]: Those would have been the hottest costumes in Star Trek history that let me know. 56:25.959 --> 56:26.179 [SPEAKER_01]: No? 56:26.280 --> 56:26.420 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 56:28.082 --> 56:30.644 [SPEAKER_01]: But the Kardashians were on the regular basis. 56:30.704 --> 56:33.465 [SPEAKER_02]: Just their regular, you know, what zoo that was hard. 56:33.526 --> 56:34.726 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I bet that was hard. 56:34.826 --> 56:37.228 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but these looks hot as well. 56:37.288 --> 56:38.349 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't mean they look hot. 56:38.449 --> 56:38.929 [SPEAKER_00]: They look hot. 56:39.129 --> 56:40.570 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean like hot doesn't care. 56:41.010 --> 56:42.872 [SPEAKER_00]: As long as the stir-ups are in there, he doesn't care. 56:43.412 --> 56:47.434 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, just to Bob's credit, the tailoring on those leather. 56:48.495 --> 57:07.814 [SPEAKER_01]: uniforms was superior with if that is indeed what he used leather that's hard to get that I mean it was almost skin-tight looking in a way you know he did a really good job well made for sure yeah and I also when I saw these black leather things I immediately said to myself oh these guys are coming back because you don't spend that kind of money 57:08.855 --> 57:15.727 [SPEAKER_01]: And those costumes, unless it's going to be amorted over multiple episodes, you would not never. 57:15.767 --> 57:18.492 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd be like, use the old shoes. 57:20.908 --> 57:25.053 [SPEAKER_02]: So Robbie, if they were wearing burlap sacks, you would have said, this is the end of these guys. 57:25.273 --> 57:25.914 [SPEAKER_00]: They're done. 57:25.934 --> 57:28.497 [SPEAKER_00]: That's, I love it. 57:28.817 --> 57:41.131 [SPEAKER_00]: To me, it was interesting that Cagan and Mud were not part of the team of In Black. 57:41.972 --> 57:44.634 [SPEAKER_00]: that it was two other guys that we haven't seen before. 57:44.654 --> 57:45.755 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you going to correct me? 57:45.775 --> 57:46.315 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope you are. 57:46.375 --> 57:46.936 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no. 57:47.036 --> 57:48.857 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not listening to you, that you're right. 57:48.997 --> 57:49.717 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not correcting you. 57:49.918 --> 57:53.500 [SPEAKER_02]: I would have thought that Mud and Kagan would be so hard of the team. 57:54.441 --> 57:56.942 [SPEAKER_00]: And it seems to indicate, no, they're not part of the team. 57:57.122 --> 57:59.144 [SPEAKER_00]: Were they part of the Hallsuite program? 58:00.345 --> 58:01.245 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they were. 58:01.265 --> 58:05.688 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I just thought, what happened to those two characters? 58:06.008 --> 58:08.130 [SPEAKER_00]: I bet they were part of the Hallsuite program. 58:08.150 --> 58:10.512 [SPEAKER_02]: They were Hallsuite, all the characters, for sure. 58:11.412 --> 58:13.374 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, which I did not realize either. 58:13.514 --> 58:14.615 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought, oh my god, there. 58:15.276 --> 58:17.097 [SPEAKER_02]: This episode is very nuanced. 58:17.257 --> 58:18.458 [SPEAKER_02]: It's very well done. 58:18.478 --> 58:22.202 [SPEAKER_02]: I, yes, it's Chandler played by Samantha Mud. 58:22.722 --> 58:23.903 [SPEAKER_02]: I was a Chandler. 58:24.023 --> 58:24.363 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 58:24.464 --> 58:26.565 [SPEAKER_02]: And Kagan played by Benjamin Brown. 58:26.625 --> 58:31.289 [SPEAKER_02]: So those two you would assume would have been wearing the section 31. 58:32.030 --> 58:34.473 [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe that's something they didn't realize. 58:34.533 --> 58:35.394 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that possible, Robby? 58:35.414 --> 58:37.196 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, oops, we should have had them. 58:37.276 --> 58:38.438 [SPEAKER_02]: But instead, we had these things. 58:38.478 --> 58:40.960 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they made a choice to test the way to. 58:41.000 --> 58:46.046 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that the guards were just part of the story that the holiday program. 58:46.186 --> 58:46.367 [SPEAKER_02]: OK. 58:47.121 --> 58:47.842 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so. 58:48.202 --> 58:49.303 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what it says to me. 58:49.924 --> 58:51.545 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it would be cool if they were part of it though. 58:51.765 --> 58:53.627 [SPEAKER_02]: They see them in their letters too. 58:53.747 --> 58:54.688 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that would have been nice. 58:55.028 --> 58:57.730 [SPEAKER_01]: So Sloan says, I almost believe you just one last thing. 58:57.750 --> 59:00.393 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to check your implant and that'll prove. 59:01.033 --> 59:07.199 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, he offers to take it out or he says you can take it out yourself and be sure he says I'll do it. 59:07.859 --> 59:12.722 [SPEAKER_01]: And he reaches back there with this little tool and pulls out this little crystal implant. 59:13.362 --> 59:13.922 [SPEAKER_01]: But I like that. 59:13.962 --> 59:15.363 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was a nice sleight of hand. 59:15.403 --> 59:17.684 [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever he did, this is not right to pull it out. 59:19.265 --> 59:23.127 [SPEAKER_01]: But they pulls out this tiny thing, Sloan checks it on a try quarter. 59:23.788 --> 59:24.408 [SPEAKER_01]: And he clears it. 59:24.428 --> 59:29.951 [SPEAKER_01]: He says, you know, I admit, I created this whole hollock deck to test you. 59:30.351 --> 59:31.112 [SPEAKER_01]: But you're clear. 59:31.372 --> 59:31.832 [SPEAKER_01]: You're good. 59:32.672 --> 59:33.313 [SPEAKER_01]: You pass. 59:33.613 --> 59:35.334 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Bashir says, who are you? 59:35.814 --> 59:36.574 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Sloan. 59:36.634 --> 59:37.095 [SPEAKER_01]: Like what? 59:38.185 --> 59:50.422 [SPEAKER_01]: who are you guys and he admits he's in a secret branch and he reveals section 31 for the very first time and he explains how section 31 works and been around since the beginning of the Federation. 59:50.582 --> 59:50.943 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 59:51.263 --> 59:51.564 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 59:52.623 --> 59:54.625 [SPEAKER_02]: But here's not happy about that though, right? 59:54.665 --> 59:56.067 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's just like, what the heck? 59:56.107 --> 59:58.370 [SPEAKER_02]: You have no, you don't take orders from anybody. 59:58.390 --> 59:59.691 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't write any reports. 59:59.711 --> 01:00:00.832 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't submit any reports. 01:00:01.113 --> 01:00:04.597 [SPEAKER_02]: He's very, just, he can't believe this is real. 01:00:04.797 --> 01:00:08.201 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's just in their own vacuum, their own vacuum. 01:00:08.221 --> 01:00:09.082 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, entirely. 01:00:09.302 --> 01:00:14.668 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when there's not accountability and transparency, this is what Bashir is worried about. 01:00:15.029 --> 01:00:24.219 [SPEAKER_01]: You guys, it's inevitable that you're going to do bad things without oversight, transparency, and accountability. 01:00:24.760 --> 01:00:28.961 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, antithetical to everything we believe the Federation starts to stands for. 01:00:28.981 --> 01:00:33.262 [SPEAKER_01]: And he does say to Bashir, you know, I think you would make a very good agent. 01:00:33.622 --> 01:00:37.023 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, he offers him a job basically at the end of the scene. 01:00:37.483 --> 01:00:37.683 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:00:37.863 --> 01:00:42.485 [SPEAKER_01]: And Bashir says, absolutely not, absolutely not. 01:00:42.745 --> 01:00:44.705 [SPEAKER_01]: He even says, what if I decide to expose you? 01:00:45.045 --> 01:00:47.286 [SPEAKER_01]: And Sloan says, I'm not going to lose any sleep over that. 01:00:47.806 --> 01:00:50.587 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, one of the guards hypospray's Bashir, 01:00:51.496 --> 01:01:12.911 [SPEAKER_01]: next thing we know we're in the captain's office they're discussing Sloan and section thirty one how clever they this long was um... that they abducted this year when he wouldn't be missed was to go on vacation right that's not the line right there yeah that's the line that's yes so i think i did didn't even see that point in the park that was that's a call or something i'm like what the hell yeah it's right here 01:01:13.171 --> 01:01:17.632 [SPEAKER_00]: My question though about that line is it's a station. 01:01:18.172 --> 01:01:21.213 [SPEAKER_00]: We know who gets on ships and who gets off ships. 01:01:22.653 --> 01:01:31.334 [SPEAKER_00]: Did they not think it's suspicious that Bashir never got on a ship to go to this medical conference? 01:01:32.255 --> 01:01:34.615 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they keep tabs on who comes in and who goes out. 01:01:34.975 --> 01:01:37.896 [SPEAKER_01]: Section 33, I don't could have put a false report in there. 01:01:40.217 --> 01:01:43.345 [SPEAKER_00]: should have been watering who was getting on and off ships. 01:01:43.385 --> 01:01:45.972 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they've been doing that for six years. 01:01:46.232 --> 01:01:46.533 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:01:46.573 --> 01:01:49.120 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand why they weren't doing it in this episode. 01:01:49.530 --> 01:01:49.790 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:01:50.231 --> 01:01:51.011 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a good pick. 01:01:51.431 --> 01:01:51.712 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. 01:01:52.112 --> 01:01:52.392 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 01:01:52.432 --> 01:01:53.933 [SPEAKER_01]: Good, good, nitty-picky. 01:01:54.454 --> 01:01:54.694 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:01:54.754 --> 01:01:55.094 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 01:01:55.614 --> 01:02:00.018 [SPEAKER_01]: Cisco is pacing every is pacing in this whole scene, which I liked a lot. 01:02:00.498 --> 01:02:04.781 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like it's not resolved this story. 01:02:04.941 --> 01:02:11.066 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what that says to me, is that he's still unsettled by this and it's not resolved yet. 01:02:11.406 --> 01:02:16.990 [SPEAKER_01]: And Cisco, you know, admits that Starfleet is not clear whether section 31 is real or not. 01:02:17.390 --> 01:02:21.096 [SPEAKER_02]: They won't say it's real, but they will not deny it's existing. 01:02:21.156 --> 01:02:21.877 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 01:02:22.098 --> 01:02:24.061 [SPEAKER_02]: So, there you go. 01:02:25.634 --> 01:02:27.375 [SPEAKER_02]: it's possible than I ability. 01:02:27.716 --> 01:02:27.936 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:02:28.256 --> 01:02:28.576 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:02:29.077 --> 01:02:36.382 [SPEAKER_01]: But Cisco does say if they are real, as Sloan seems like a pretty serious guy doesn't take no for an answer, they're going to come back. 01:02:36.783 --> 01:02:38.604 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that that I know what they did. 01:02:38.944 --> 01:02:39.865 [SPEAKER_00]: Makes perfect sense. 01:02:40.205 --> 01:02:41.506 [SPEAKER_00]: They're in the middle of a war. 01:02:41.686 --> 01:02:47.231 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems to me that the last thing that Cisco should be worried about is infiltrating eight. 01:02:48.231 --> 01:03:00.541 [SPEAKER_00]: a section that he had never heard of before, but possibly had never heard of before, and that Bashir should now spend his energies going after that if the opportunity arises. 01:03:01.842 --> 01:03:08.588 [SPEAKER_00]: That to me went really, and yes, it does smack of section 31 coming back. 01:03:09.008 --> 01:03:11.970 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it felt to me like 100% they're coming 01:03:16.007 --> 01:03:35.269 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you have a valid, definitely a valid point, Armin, but when I heard him say that I would literally, I thought, okay, Cisco in his mind is thinking, I don't know what or how or when, but if we have someone who is agreed to become, you know, our guy, Bashir is now at one of their agents, 01:03:35.970 --> 01:03:42.534 [SPEAKER_02]: I now have access to information to other things that may aid me in the fight against the Dominion. 01:03:43.134 --> 01:03:45.135 [SPEAKER_02]: It might give me some type of crazy advantage. 01:03:45.215 --> 01:03:53.460 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what that will be just as of yet, but I think to have our influence in this completely secretive organization that's been around for 200 years. 01:03:53.940 --> 01:03:54.561 [SPEAKER_02]: The thing is, they're 01:03:54.881 --> 01:03:57.944 [SPEAKER_02]: They haven't taken over and said, OK, we're going to run in Starfleet. 01:03:57.964 --> 01:03:59.745 [SPEAKER_02]: We are the dictators now. 01:03:59.845 --> 01:04:00.846 [SPEAKER_02]: They're not doing that at all. 01:04:00.866 --> 01:04:06.951 [SPEAKER_02]: They're still operating within the fact that they are supporting and trying to eliminate all threats to Starfleet. 01:04:07.431 --> 01:04:09.133 [SPEAKER_02]: And they take the handle everything on their own. 01:04:09.153 --> 01:04:11.455 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't ask for any permission. 01:04:11.695 --> 01:04:12.556 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no bureaucracy. 01:04:12.576 --> 01:04:13.697 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no red tape. 01:04:14.097 --> 01:04:15.518 [SPEAKER_02]: They can go into action immediately. 01:04:16.099 --> 01:04:17.560 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's pretty crazy. 01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:21.063 [SPEAKER_02]: But then we also have, we know about the Obsidian Order. 01:04:24.025 --> 01:04:33.354 [SPEAKER_02]: So we, we have seen Romulan and Cardassian CIA or secretive organizations that are involved in this type of espionage type of game. 01:04:33.574 --> 01:04:33.874 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 01:04:33.914 --> 01:04:34.715 [SPEAKER_02]: So FCA. 01:04:35.235 --> 01:04:35.976 [SPEAKER_02]: Run to FCA. 01:04:35.996 --> 01:04:36.997 [SPEAKER_02]: FCA. 01:04:37.077 --> 01:04:37.477 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 01:04:37.638 --> 01:04:37.918 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 01:04:38.198 --> 01:04:41.901 [SPEAKER_01]: Do we have like a Delta Flyers podcast, super secret agency? 01:04:43.818 --> 01:04:45.801 [SPEAKER_02]: It has to have another name, though, Robby. 01:04:45.861 --> 01:04:52.770 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, Armin and Robby, if you come up with a good name for that name, first super secret, super secret, super secret, don't apply it. 01:04:53.351 --> 01:04:55.434 [SPEAKER_01]: Does it exist or does it not exist? 01:04:56.836 --> 01:04:58.478 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a new code inside. 01:04:58.498 --> 01:05:00.541 [SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be a cool name, yes, you know? 01:05:02.146 --> 01:05:04.768 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to or I want to black leather outfit like that. 01:05:04.828 --> 01:05:19.676 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 01:05:19.796 --> 01:05:20.997 [SPEAKER_01]: But we're basically the end. 01:05:21.017 --> 01:05:28.982 [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to quote, I want to quote, Otis says, well, congratulations, Dr. Looks like you're going to get to play a spy after all. 01:05:29.222 --> 01:05:31.644 [SPEAKER_01]: Only this time, but real. 01:05:32.224 --> 01:05:33.165 [SPEAKER_01]: I like that line. 01:05:33.205 --> 01:05:41.830 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it does call in, you know, Bashir's love of the kind of 007 James Bondi holiday. 01:05:41.870 --> 01:05:45.433 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it kind of ties a lot of that together in a fun way. 01:05:51.213 --> 01:05:55.355 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, themes, morals, arm and do have a lesson for this episode. 01:05:55.715 --> 01:06:05.160 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think the moral is quoted in the episode, which is, are we willing to sacrifice our principles in order to survive? 01:06:06.181 --> 01:06:08.542 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that might be the theme. 01:06:09.642 --> 01:06:15.505 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, going back to my original statement, I think the theme also may be now on hindsight. 01:06:21.128 --> 01:06:24.951 [SPEAKER_00]: to be able to fool our senses and our rationality. 01:06:25.391 --> 01:06:30.214 [SPEAKER_00]: When we're convinced there's another reality besides the one that we think is real. 01:06:30.734 --> 01:06:32.075 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really terrified by that. 01:06:32.536 --> 01:06:32.796 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. 01:06:33.296 --> 01:06:33.616 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 01:06:34.657 --> 01:06:35.277 [SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you. 01:06:35.778 --> 01:06:37.859 [SPEAKER_00]: That's scary. 01:06:38.399 --> 01:06:40.201 [SPEAKER_02]: I just said don't judge a book by its cover. 01:06:40.221 --> 01:06:43.883 [SPEAKER_02]: Is I a much more precise idea? 01:06:43.903 --> 01:06:44.343 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. 01:06:46.144 --> 01:06:49.587 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just giving the high cue response in every chance, every chance I get. 01:06:51.674 --> 01:06:56.800 [SPEAKER_01]: I wrote down, and even good guys may not always be honest. 01:06:57.600 --> 01:06:58.181 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true. 01:06:58.581 --> 01:07:06.470 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's it's we never know like you never, which is a sad way to look at life like I did know if I can trust. 01:07:07.903 --> 01:07:33.210 [SPEAKER_00]: the people that are supposed to be the good guys and I don't know if the bad guys are really the bad guys like I don't know and in the real world they're always a little above the bad guys always have a good side the good guys always have a bad side our show is very much about that we we take our heroes and and we give them faults we give them oh you show the war it's you show the dirty laundry everything my goodness I was not interested in just having 01:07:35.330 --> 01:07:39.991 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, our Patreon poll for winner-themed moral of this episode is who, Garrett? 01:07:40.251 --> 01:07:51.593 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, that is submitted by Martin D, that would be a society that abandons its principles in the name of security risks becoming the very threat it fears. 01:07:52.673 --> 01:07:55.093 [SPEAKER_02]: Well said, well said, very well said. 01:07:55.353 --> 01:08:02.475 [SPEAKER_01]: We also have an honorable mention for theme and moral that's submitted by Kit Murray, and that is never trust a man and black leather 01:08:06.472 --> 01:08:07.353 [SPEAKER_01]: Very well said. 01:08:09.334 --> 01:08:10.134 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank you, Kiperi. 01:08:10.154 --> 01:08:15.077 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about you guys, but I've never had a man in Black F. I've always got cones. 01:08:15.998 --> 01:08:19.780 [SPEAKER_01]: It happens every day up here in Utah. 01:08:20.380 --> 01:08:22.802 [SPEAKER_01]: I want that man to have an Italian accent. 01:08:22.982 --> 01:08:25.183 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I missed a sheet of my mind. 01:08:25.383 --> 01:08:26.224 [SPEAKER_00]: You went to school. 01:08:26.244 --> 01:08:26.364 [SPEAKER_00]: Right? 01:08:26.724 --> 01:08:27.345 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry. 01:08:27.365 --> 01:08:27.805 [SPEAKER_00]: You see? 01:08:31.807 --> 01:08:32.127 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 01:08:32.167 --> 01:08:37.209 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that is the end of our recap and discussion of this episode. 01:08:37.289 --> 01:08:40.871 [SPEAKER_02]: And just so everyone knows there is no episode next week. 01:08:40.971 --> 01:08:45.073 [SPEAKER_02]: The next episode in the pale moonlight will be released in two weeks from now. 01:08:45.873 --> 01:08:50.315 [SPEAKER_02]: And we will have Terry and special guest Andrew Robinson. 01:08:50.915 --> 01:08:54.239 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's going to be, don't miss that one, that's a good one. 01:08:54.319 --> 01:09:03.469 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that sounds fabulous, but we definitely want to say thank you to Armin once again for co-hosting with us, thank you, Armin. 01:09:03.629 --> 01:09:08.134 [SPEAKER_02]: For all of our Patreon patrons, please stay tuned for your bonus material for everyone else. 01:09:08.174 --> 01:09:09.876 [SPEAKER_02]: We will see you in a couple of weeks. 01:09:10.576 --> 01:09:10.897 [SPEAKER_02]: Bye now. 01:09:11.738 --> 01:09:11.938 [SPEAKER_02]: Bye. 01:09:12.278 --> 01:09:12.779 [SPEAKER_02]: Bye everybody.