WEBVTT 00:00.232 --> 00:01.516 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for watching. 00:13.243 --> 00:18.285 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, welcome back to another episode of friends from work. 00:19.025 --> 00:25.287 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host Kyle Skonawell and he's my longtime friend from work, Robbie Earl. 00:25.387 --> 00:32.410 [SPEAKER_01]: Or am I, do, well, well, here's the funny thing, I... 00:33.510 --> 00:35.091 [SPEAKER_00]: You and I were just talking for five minutes. 00:36.211 --> 00:39.713 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I looked down just to grab my coffee. 00:40.474 --> 00:42.495 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was that quick of a change. 00:42.515 --> 00:46.977 [SPEAKER_00]: You're like, it's like Taylor Swift Aira's level wardrobe changes over here. 00:47.958 --> 00:50.699 [SPEAKER_01]: Just a little Halloween outfit for you. 00:51.099 --> 00:51.419 [SPEAKER_01]: OK. 00:53.360 --> 00:54.641 [SPEAKER_01]: I got the cape to go with it. 00:55.061 --> 00:59.243 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you kind of imagine, anyways. 00:59.543 --> 01:00.564 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is nice. 01:00.764 --> 01:01.204 [SPEAKER_00]: This is nice. 01:04.018 --> 01:07.602 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, so what are onica and violet going to be I have no idea. 01:07.642 --> 01:08.783 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't really coordinated yet. 01:08.823 --> 01:17.311 [SPEAKER_01]: Just thought you'd appreciate that And that was part of my birthday Nice nice. 01:17.611 --> 01:18.852 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how was your birthday? 01:18.872 --> 01:20.774 [SPEAKER_00]: We were recording this the day after. 01:20.794 --> 01:21.835 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was fine 01:23.016 --> 01:30.158 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, not much to note, we're doing a ton of work on our house right now, which is kind of dominating all of my thoughts, which is crazy. 01:30.218 --> 01:35.579 [SPEAKER_01]: So like, as I'm sitting here right now today, I can see framers walking through my ring camera. 01:35.879 --> 01:40.540 [SPEAKER_01]: So very exciting and very nerve-wracking, but that was a lot of the birthday in my brother. 01:40.560 --> 01:43.601 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to got a man of mud here in my apartment. 01:43.861 --> 01:44.241 [SPEAKER_00]: What's going on? 01:45.682 --> 01:46.122 [SPEAKER_00]: What is that? 01:46.202 --> 01:48.162 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the ring film. 01:49.223 --> 01:50.203 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember that. 01:51.483 --> 01:52.243 [SPEAKER_01]: you caught me off guard. 01:53.083 --> 01:58.985 [SPEAKER_01]: My brother and his wife and their kids came over and we had a cookie cake and chili of all things. 02:00.585 --> 02:04.366 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm having friends over for the football game on Sunday, but anyways, that's not what we're here to talk about today. 02:04.486 --> 02:11.248 [SPEAKER_01]: Before we get started with vision quest episodes three and four going through all of it, which will be awesome. 02:11.448 --> 02:12.708 [SPEAKER_01]: Three things I want to tell you about. 02:12.748 --> 02:14.929 [SPEAKER_01]: Two things I want to tell you about and one thing Rob, who I was to tell you about. 02:15.369 --> 02:15.489 [SPEAKER_01]: One. 02:16.389 --> 02:17.349 [SPEAKER_01]: on Friends From Work Plus. 02:17.369 --> 02:18.430 [SPEAKER_01]: We're working our way through this. 02:19.150 --> 02:22.071 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the Jonathan Hickman Avengers series. 02:22.991 --> 02:24.272 [SPEAKER_01]: I've never read these comics. 02:24.312 --> 02:28.213 [SPEAKER_01]: I read volume one on Friends From Work Plus earlier and now we're getting my way through volume two. 02:28.533 --> 02:31.554 [SPEAKER_01]: We've actually come up with a fun little kind of formula. 02:31.574 --> 02:34.635 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be following as we go through comics for the first time. 02:34.695 --> 02:37.436 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited to debut a new type of episode. 02:38.356 --> 02:48.682 [SPEAKER_01]: If a couple things, if you're into this kind of thing and you're not subscribed to friends from WorkPlus, maybe consider it because it's fun to talk about these things and we're going to be going through a decent amount of these volumes. 02:49.243 --> 02:50.964 [SPEAKER_01]: So there will be talk of comic stuff. 02:51.384 --> 02:57.027 [SPEAKER_01]: But even if you're not a subscriber, which again, you should be, if you're not, you could still be reading this along with us. 02:57.107 --> 03:03.271 [SPEAKER_01]: If you've never read these, this is Jonathan Hickman, Avengers Volume 2, and again, we already read Avengers Volume 1. 03:03.751 --> 03:04.652 [SPEAKER_01]: On that note as well, 03:05.492 --> 03:09.920 [SPEAKER_01]: We do a series of episodes on Friends From Work Plus called Kyle Listen. 03:09.980 --> 03:15.911 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're actually from our friend Neil Sharnick, where he tries to convince me and the listeners. 03:17.032 --> 03:33.243 [SPEAKER_01]: about a project that's not specifically in the MCU or hasn't been recognized as MCU canon in the past that now maybe is being debated and he tries to recommend a project that fits that mold that I haven't seen and we've done a ton of stuff already. 03:33.283 --> 03:42.388 [SPEAKER_01]: He's talked about Luke Cage and Jessica Jones and the Punisher and Marvel's an audiobook from Sirius XM and Stitcher. 03:42.448 --> 03:44.230 [SPEAKER_01]: Things like that, but this week was a big one. 03:45.102 --> 03:56.154 [SPEAKER_01]: because he recommended I watch agents of shield, which for those listening, I've actually never seen it's over 120 hours worth of content because I think they have seven seasons. 03:57.075 --> 04:02.780 [SPEAKER_01]: But I know that this is a kind of like Daredevil Robbie, this is a hot button topic. 04:03.881 --> 04:06.662 [SPEAKER_01]: for a large amount of people in our listeners. 04:06.762 --> 04:16.604 [SPEAKER_01]: Like there are people that are agents of shield, truthers, lands, for example, on our discord, posted like, this is the happiest he's ever been that I'm considering going through agents of shield. 04:17.924 --> 04:20.765 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the response has been so big, I think we need to do this. 04:21.605 --> 04:30.367 [SPEAKER_01]: So I want our listeners to know, I'm gonna watch at least part of agents of shield and assuming I like it, hopefully all of it, but because it's so much content, 04:33.435 --> 04:34.155 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be doing it. 04:34.235 --> 04:43.299 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I might be watching a couple episodes here there when vision quest ends before doomsday, but the large majority of the watch is going to happen after doomsday. 04:43.339 --> 04:45.120 [SPEAKER_01]: That seems to make the most sense to me. 04:45.580 --> 04:47.961 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll try to put together some kind of schedule of where. 04:48.761 --> 04:55.803 [SPEAKER_01]: my wife and I are at and maybe you and I can occasionally check in and I can talk about where we're at and because I'm sure I'm going to have a lot of reactions. 04:55.823 --> 05:06.506 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I literally don't know anything other than I know that Clark Greg is back as Agent Colson, which was part of the reason I didn't watch the show and Neil addressed that in the episode. 05:06.526 --> 05:07.967 [SPEAKER_00]: We're coming all the way back to Colson. 05:08.647 --> 05:17.634 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, back to Colson, which we need to be, there is a part of like, you know, taking me back through something that I've never seen that's fun and original to this podcast. 05:17.655 --> 05:19.056 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think about like the X stuff. 05:19.096 --> 05:20.537 [SPEAKER_01]: That was fun and the original. 05:20.777 --> 05:22.759 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Andrew Garfield, Spider-Man movies and stuff. 05:23.319 --> 05:30.605 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's what the Avengers comics journey is sort of turning into as well. 05:30.625 --> 05:36.090 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I think it's been fun to figure out the the right format for that. 05:37.031 --> 05:43.880 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so those are my two things I wanted to start today with and then I also want to tell you that today's episode is brought to you by our friends at panel bound comics rub. 05:45.302 --> 05:47.265 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man. 05:48.383 --> 06:08.662 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been a really fun season for the podcast when it comes to the comic stuff and a lot of that will be stuff that we get to talk more about in the coming weeks and months, but I've been having some fun conversations with some creators that we're looking to get on the show pretty soon. 06:11.605 --> 06:12.686 [SPEAKER_00]: And I also 06:14.365 --> 06:23.027 [SPEAKER_00]: We haven't even really talked about this, but it's just sort of a fun period for comics, adjacent stuff, the clay face. 06:23.368 --> 06:26.428 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's getting a lot of buzz, which I haven't gotten to see yet. 06:26.488 --> 06:36.871 [SPEAKER_00]: The screener was last night, and I was just telling you we have a real stomach bug thing going through the house right now, so it's been sort of all hands on deck. 06:43.927 --> 07:10.279 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... and then i will be working soon yet well we're about to talk about about vision quest but on the lanterns for an eyes one of the note uh... if you are someone that enjoyed that show uh... green lanterns one of those characters that because you know it's like you you had that one rime rounds movie that was you know famously bad and kind of the same way that the the the expman origins will re-movie was 07:11.893 --> 07:25.609 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a whole generation of superhero fans that are around our age or certainly younger that have never really had a ton of experience with Greenland, or not side of maybe the the like Justice League cartoon. 07:26.169 --> 07:30.774 [SPEAKER_00]: So whereas you have a lot of people that are really familiar with Superman and Wonder Woman and Batman, 07:31.915 --> 07:45.147 [SPEAKER_00]: And even Aquaman now, Green Lantern is sort of given short 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--> 08:54.222 [SPEAKER_00]: friends from work and I will say I'm specifically holding back one more recommendation than I'm excited about next week just for the sake of timing but you should subscribe to our newsletter because I will drop a little wreck there than I'm excited about and then we'll also talk about some stuff next week. 08:55.003 --> 08:59.787 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay I can't wait to talk about vision quest but can I get two more minutes, maximum two minutes okay. 09:01.368 --> 09:02.709 [SPEAKER_01]: I watch two movies on an airplane. 09:03.049 --> 09:03.790 [SPEAKER_01]: I watch super girl. 09:05.871 --> 09:06.832 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, okay. 09:07.032 --> 09:08.333 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 09:08.433 --> 09:09.014 [SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed it. 09:09.955 --> 09:10.215 [SPEAKER_01]: I did. 09:11.176 --> 09:13.919 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I posted a little bit in New York. 09:14.420 --> 09:22.748 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, James gonna just way, way, way to obsess with peeing and pooping and spitting and vomiting and like, I just don't get it. 09:22.868 --> 09:25.791 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get why he's obsessed with that, but remove some of that stuff. 09:28.056 --> 09:38.824 [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, like, I thought honestly when the controversial scene of the middle or whatever from Jimmy World happened at the end, the song placement, that's been really controversial online. 09:38.944 --> 09:39.124 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 09:39.244 --> 09:40.365 [SPEAKER_01]: It didn't bother me that much. 09:40.485 --> 09:40.845 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 09:41.185 --> 09:41.926 [SPEAKER_01]: I, whatever. 09:42.286 --> 09:45.388 [SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking it was going to be like this disaster and like, I think it was. 09:46.089 --> 09:48.130 [SPEAKER_01]: The girl who plays her does a really great job. 09:48.410 --> 09:49.411 [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's, yeah. 09:49.511 --> 09:50.452 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really, I'll cook. 09:51.032 --> 09:57.336 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I kind of appreciated, yeah, I just appreciate her performance here versus how she's portrayed in Superman. 09:57.356 --> 10:00.618 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought it was a little more nuanced. 10:00.738 --> 10:01.259 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fine. 10:01.959 --> 10:03.360 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the low-boost stuff is strange. 10:03.420 --> 10:08.323 [SPEAKER_01]: The plot is average, you know, like, yeah, it's, it's, it's not a bad movie. 10:08.403 --> 10:10.244 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's 65 out of the 100. 10:10.584 --> 10:14.607 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do you see what I mean whenever I say it feels like kind of a, uh, uh, 10:16.088 --> 10:28.614 [SPEAKER_00]: Like a lower tier, like late phase one early phase two MC film, there were still some cool chill moments like when she gets tossed out of that shuttle in space. 10:28.674 --> 10:30.295 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but then this guy comes around the corner. 10:30.455 --> 10:31.216 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was cool. 10:31.556 --> 10:34.277 [SPEAKER_01]: Just because you know all the injustice that's happening and you wanted to go. 10:34.297 --> 10:34.918 [SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah. 10:36.098 --> 10:37.978 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, and I can't I don't know. 10:38.018 --> 10:38.919 [SPEAKER_00]: I like this idea. 10:38.939 --> 10:58.563 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I thought they did a good job of Like because of the red sun and planets and stuff, which all that comes out of the Tom King book that they were adapting You I think they do a good job of making her vulnerable in certain situations, but then that makes it 10:59.700 --> 11:11.010 [SPEAKER_00]: feel like really good when you finally see her power up and, you know, like the crypto stuff, I think, is, uh, it gets me as a dog lover. 11:11.030 --> 11:17.115 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, about time, you know, I am this podcast, we're going to be doing more of this. 11:17.275 --> 11:22.379 [SPEAKER_01]: I think in the future, where we're talking about specific movies that we've chosen or whatever. 11:22.419 --> 11:23.500 [SPEAKER_01]: So there will be time for this. 11:24.181 --> 11:25.182 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, yeah. 11:26.163 --> 11:27.444 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, I watched the invite. 11:28.987 --> 11:30.928 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, dude, I loved that movie. 11:31.028 --> 11:32.008 [SPEAKER_00]: I loved that movie. 11:32.148 --> 11:35.369 [SPEAKER_01]: What did you think you know I'm not a Seth Rogan guy. 11:35.969 --> 11:37.090 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the funniest. 11:37.530 --> 11:47.413 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the funniest I've felt Seth Rogan has been when they're sitting at the couch going over all the different, I can't even talk about it because it's so explicit, but they're going over all the different things. 11:47.613 --> 11:51.714 [SPEAKER_01]: Seth Rogan's reaction to all of it was cracking me up on the airplane. 11:53.255 --> 11:55.935 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I did really appreciate that like, 11:58.116 --> 12:20.767 [SPEAKER_01]: it ends kind of sweet yeah yeah so yeah I that's like that's a movie that's not totally my scene but it was very well done does that make sense like that that if you're like trying up what I'm into that's not my preferences but I was like this is good but you know it's yeah it's uh I was glad to see that that movie 12:22.186 --> 12:41.453 [SPEAKER_00]: be so well received and also I I just loved it a lot because I I thought Olivia Wilde's director old debut with book smart a couple I guess like 10 years ago now was great a couple of years ago and and then you know don't worry darling there was just all this controversy around it with the Harry Styles. 12:41.513 --> 12:43.314 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of like that movie by the way. 12:44.195 --> 12:49.298 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I kind of like the thing about that is that I was never bored. 12:49.579 --> 12:56.723 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like I thought it was like sure that there was some wonky stuff with the resolution, but I thought that there were some real dread and spent. 12:57.143 --> 12:58.724 [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, I liked seeing her. 12:59.745 --> 13:04.989 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I, for whatever reason, Olivia Wilde became like the butt of a bunch of jokes for a couple of years. 13:05.769 --> 13:12.574 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm glad to see her have something that's being so well received as a director and an actor. 13:13.074 --> 13:16.176 [SPEAKER_00]: And that movie was co-written by Rashida Jones. 13:16.456 --> 13:16.977 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you see that? 13:17.537 --> 13:17.997 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I didn't. 13:18.197 --> 13:18.538 [SPEAKER_01]: That's cool. 13:19.372 --> 13:19.952 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we're out of time. 13:20.293 --> 13:21.393 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, we're going to have time for this later. 13:22.134 --> 13:24.415 [SPEAKER_01]: First impressions about vision quest episode three and four. 13:24.855 --> 13:30.879 [SPEAKER_01]: I have three big picture things that have details below them, but we'll save the details to we get there. 13:31.059 --> 13:31.259 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 13:31.620 --> 13:41.066 [SPEAKER_01]: So the big picture thing is that one, I really think this is what Marvel can do with its connectivity as a show. 13:43.878 --> 13:53.980 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't take a ton, but just throwing in all these little references like the hell's kitchen reference, the Adam and the World by night, which we've never heard reference. 13:54.020 --> 13:56.240 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think outside of the project. 13:56.300 --> 13:58.161 [SPEAKER_01]: The 10 rings, syndicate. 13:58.181 --> 13:59.161 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 14:00.661 --> 14:04.902 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, all the connectivity already between one division and division question. 14:04.922 --> 14:09.383 [SPEAKER_01]: This is what I meant when I said, man, I feel like you do need to have watched the MCU, 14:12.366 --> 14:13.688 [SPEAKER_01]: again, we can name more of them in a second. 14:13.788 --> 14:15.350 [SPEAKER_01]: It just, it really feels good. 14:15.370 --> 14:24.700 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you don't have to do a whole episode about the Paladin running into Daredevil, but it's believable and it builds out the world and so I like that it's connected there. 14:24.800 --> 14:25.601 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, we'll come back to it. 14:25.982 --> 14:30.026 [SPEAKER_01]: Secondly, visually, I just think this show looks so good. 14:30.267 --> 14:31.348 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I've talked about this. 14:31.388 --> 14:32.489 [SPEAKER_01]: There's something to 14:33.230 --> 14:41.136 [SPEAKER_01]: this era from 22 to 24 where there's a sheen on everything and I don't know again I've asked this before for filmmakers out there they're listening. 14:41.556 --> 14:42.717 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it a filter? 14:42.837 --> 14:43.658 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it a lens? 14:43.858 --> 14:46.219 [SPEAKER_01]: What is it that those had? 14:46.560 --> 14:50.563 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it just that they're on a studio set that has very artificial lighting? 14:51.439 --> 14:55.604 [SPEAKER_01]: whatever, but I was watching yesterday going, this again feels different. 14:55.664 --> 14:58.428 [SPEAKER_01]: This has that kind of film grain to it. 14:58.448 --> 15:01.692 [SPEAKER_01]: This has like a dirty hotel feel. 15:02.093 --> 15:05.717 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like he went to a hotel pool to a hotel bedroom. 15:07.579 --> 15:13.721 [SPEAKER_01]: it feels on location and there's actually something with the lens or the color grading or something that I just appreciate. 15:13.741 --> 15:20.782 [SPEAKER_01]: But then when the actual CGI comes on the screen like jacosta as like a robot, it looks unbelievable to me. 15:21.142 --> 15:23.803 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they're nailing all the little details. 15:23.823 --> 15:35.806 [SPEAKER_01]: You probably don't even catch this, but if you look at the lady who founded the AI company, whatever her name is, if you look at her glasses, you can see a subtle reflection of the 15:37.866 --> 15:41.508 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, through the, there's things like that, where it's like, they had to animate that because that's correct. 15:41.528 --> 15:42.409 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not what it looks like. 15:42.429 --> 15:43.089 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's screen chat. 15:43.489 --> 15:43.690 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 15:43.790 --> 15:45.751 [SPEAKER_01]: There's just stuff for visually, man. 15:45.851 --> 15:46.791 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks so good. 15:47.151 --> 16:00.799 [SPEAKER_01]: And then my last thing, and that'll let you give your first impression is that this was kind of the era when I said this earlier to you in New York where for some reason, I'm just not fully connecting, especially an episode three with 16:01.914 --> 16:05.235 [SPEAKER_01]: vision and Tommy and their emotional struggle. 16:05.395 --> 16:14.777 [SPEAKER_01]: And I read an article, I think from variety that said the same thing at this point that they weren't connecting as much emotionally as the show was one thing them to me. 16:15.997 --> 16:17.818 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, the good news is that changes. 16:18.378 --> 16:29.681 [SPEAKER_01]: But as of this moment, that's how I kind of felt too, I don't, I can't tell if it's that Tommy's performance is a little, I mean, again, we're talking barely, but just a little bit forced or there's a little bit of me 16:32.642 --> 16:48.954 [SPEAKER_01]: a distracted or weirded out that vision is so lost or weak, you know, like there's a part of me that pictures vision from age of Ultron coming out of that casket and he's just all powerful and I think, again, we have to break him down. 16:49.174 --> 16:56.340 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think I miss that everything's broken down always, like there's no lasers, there's no flying heat and he doesn't know anything about human. 16:56.360 --> 16:57.241 [SPEAKER_01]: So him, like, 16:57.761 --> 17:02.043 [SPEAKER_01]: going through the like different emotions because his code is being written rewritten. 17:02.244 --> 17:08.947 [SPEAKER_01]: There's things like that where like, I like it on paper, but I just feel like I wasn't totally jiving with it. 17:08.967 --> 17:11.629 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, I saw some people in discord who were. 17:12.049 --> 17:21.394 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not the only, or sorry, I am, maybe I'm not the only one, but people were connecting to a larger degree than I was, which is very, very good. 17:22.795 --> 17:26.317 [SPEAKER_01]: But just something something felt a tiny bit off. 17:27.593 --> 17:52.849 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, in terms of big picture because I think a lot of the stuff that I'll get into will be more in the netty gritty with our friendly feedback, but I had a pretty similar reaction, you and I have not talked about episode specifics ahead of time, like I knew your sense of things after four episodes and then I knew your sense of things after the whole series. 17:54.217 --> 17:57.685 [SPEAKER_00]: But, uh, I, I felt 17:59.095 --> 18:05.059 [SPEAKER_00]: I felt like episode three had a couple of really great moments. 18:05.660 --> 18:26.275 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's one of those weird things where there were certain scenes that I thought worked very well, an episode three that were maybe a step up from some of the scenes in the first two, but there were some other things that felt a little off and that I kind of came away with more of an uneven experience, not like, oh, this was bad. 18:27.257 --> 18:33.341 [SPEAKER_00]: but that it wasn't, I thought, as consistent. 18:34.242 --> 18:38.825 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought episode four was actually a step back in the right direction. 18:38.845 --> 18:46.811 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it, it gave me a lot of what I liked if season three, but also, which is funny because they were directed by the same person. 18:47.811 --> 18:53.095 [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe they were, they were, the writing in episode three was maybe part of it for me. 18:55.096 --> 18:59.823 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I didn't love the like boom shockawaka moment from Ultron. 19:00.764 --> 19:07.214 [SPEAKER_00]: Like a couple of things like that, they're, I cannot bad, just like, I'm not sure that like, I don't remember him saying that. 19:08.410 --> 19:10.712 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, it's like early on in the car. 19:10.773 --> 19:27.347 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, these are just little things, but you, you know, like, those are the little like the lines and deliveries that don't always click or the things that my mind will season, but then yeah, like you I was reading this morning and I think a lot of folks felt like episode three was kind of a stand out in terms of what it did emotionally. 19:28.208 --> 19:29.708 [SPEAKER_00]: for vision. 19:30.329 --> 19:41.071 [SPEAKER_00]: And I do think, like, I liked the, like, running the simulations stuff trying to figure out how to talk to Tommy about that. 19:41.551 --> 19:44.332 [SPEAKER_00]: I liked the, the pull moment itself. 19:44.392 --> 19:45.472 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought was really well done. 19:47.053 --> 19:54.955 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought Tommy, like, phasing through the glass and, like, all of, like, there were some really cool moments that I thought moved it forward. 19:55.815 --> 19:56.415 [SPEAKER_00]: I think maybe, 19:57.750 --> 20:11.439 [SPEAKER_00]: my overarching sense on episode three, like, it felt like no pun intended, like parts were treading water. 20:12.059 --> 20:22.026 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it was, like I've read some reviews of the show saying that it has a kind of a slower pace at points in the middle. 20:22.626 --> 20:25.588 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's, I felt some things there where I'm like, I think if, 20:27.075 --> 20:29.138 [SPEAKER_00]: if they were not doing eight episodes. 20:30.780 --> 20:41.132 [SPEAKER_00]: Then this probably could have some of this could have been condensed because it's just sort of like the, it reminded me of Lamentus, you know, where it's just like. 20:42.388 --> 20:45.051 [SPEAKER_00]: We're in a location and we're talking a lot about things. 20:45.411 --> 20:47.573 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's get into what worked and what didn't work. 20:48.273 --> 20:54.438 [SPEAKER_01]: I would push back on that a tiny bit, um, you know, I'm sensitive about the mentalist like that's not my scene. 20:54.638 --> 20:56.560 [SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, I don't dislike lemon juice. 20:56.700 --> 20:57.080 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 20:57.100 --> 20:58.421 [SPEAKER_01]: But you like it more than I do. 20:58.781 --> 21:00.703 [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like the audience likes it more than I do. 21:01.223 --> 21:01.383 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 21:01.543 --> 21:02.985 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel that as much here. 21:03.005 --> 21:05.787 [SPEAKER_01]: I think what's really interesting with television. 21:07.201 --> 21:09.882 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about the way being Loki sees him one episode three. 21:09.922 --> 21:11.143 [SPEAKER_00]: We shouldn't just assume everybody. 21:11.803 --> 21:14.425 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember how about a throwback here for Steve Rogers? 21:14.665 --> 21:15.265 [SPEAKER_01]: Lamentus is. 21:16.286 --> 21:17.146 [SPEAKER_01]: They're Loki sees him one. 21:17.887 --> 21:20.328 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, televisions a unique animal. 21:21.188 --> 21:23.890 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think we're kind of learning what that looks like. 21:25.238 --> 21:26.780 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, not even good or bad. 21:26.820 --> 21:34.927 [SPEAKER_01]: There are just differences and I like I remember watching the original Netflix Daredevil things that were 13 episodes long and they were all on our long. 21:34.947 --> 21:36.108 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like 13 hours of content. 21:36.829 --> 21:37.009 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 21:37.490 --> 21:47.539 [SPEAKER_01]: There were times where I felt like because it was so long, the show just had to totally shift what they're doing midseason. 21:47.900 --> 21:48.060 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 21:48.080 --> 21:49.701 [SPEAKER_01]: So like the beginning of season two is 21:50.682 --> 21:55.145 [SPEAKER_01]: really about the Punisher and Daredevil kind of figuring out his relationship to that. 21:55.806 --> 21:59.948 [SPEAKER_01]: But then they do that for like five hours and kind of put that to bed if you remember. 22:00.469 --> 22:03.251 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's like, oh wait, we have to still make eight more episodes. 22:03.271 --> 22:07.794 [SPEAKER_01]: So then they just shift entirely to like the hand and stick. 22:08.494 --> 22:11.376 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like it almost feels like it's not part of the same season. 22:12.197 --> 22:14.218 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's a little bit kind of television. 22:14.918 --> 22:19.862 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the opposite is sometimes true for Marvel television where they only have six episodes. 22:21.253 --> 22:29.862 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, they can feel like, okay, are we jamming too much in your or we're just heading towards one plot and there's not another layer to be peeled away. 22:29.882 --> 22:32.946 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, like there's not that much more beyond this. 22:32.966 --> 22:34.648 [SPEAKER_01]: It's where we're just getting, we're telling this story. 22:35.288 --> 22:40.414 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I also think that television can sometimes do the opposite, which is the premise is actually really basic. 22:40.894 --> 22:43.157 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like we're trying to go from point eight to point B. 22:44.624 --> 22:58.033 [SPEAKER_01]: I love Star Wars, right, but think a little bit of like a new hope where it's like we're trying to get you from here to here and really we're just going to kind of hit a bunch of detours on the way like let's get them stuck in the trash compactor for a while. 22:58.753 --> 23:03.916 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, really that's not what the movies about it's like a fun adventure as we're trying to get to this thing. 23:06.793 --> 23:13.218 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like, and I can't tell if this is maybe me speaking from seeing this whole show, that this show actually does it fairly well. 23:14.719 --> 23:33.232 [SPEAKER_01]: Every time I think you think the show is about something, it's evolving, and it's not just about that, but all the while not being too rushed or too slow, and it's unpredictable, 23:34.698 --> 23:40.719 [SPEAKER_01]: But not, but doesn't feel like a daredevil season two left turn of like, oh, we got to fill your time and so here's a whole new new plot. 23:41.540 --> 23:45.621 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't feel as much what you're saying about this specific episode. 23:45.741 --> 23:47.681 [SPEAKER_01]: Although it wasn't my favorite episode at all. 23:48.341 --> 23:51.122 [SPEAKER_01]: But how much of that is because I've seen the whole show, I don't know. 23:52.562 --> 23:54.003 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think that's fair. 23:54.263 --> 23:55.063 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to over. 23:56.893 --> 24:20.682 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to overstate it because I part of the defense that I always bring to lamentus is that you have to do that work somewhere, you know, like now I think that one of the things that that I love about some of my favorite Marvel writers like Marcus and McFeely are they fine ways to to 24:21.868 --> 24:27.330 [SPEAKER_00]: do that without a never feeling like you're without ever having to stop and lament us for a second. 24:27.390 --> 24:27.610 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 24:27.810 --> 24:28.010 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 24:28.530 --> 24:28.670 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 24:28.850 --> 24:33.131 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, that's also it's a movie's versus TV and it's a totally different thing. 24:33.891 --> 24:38.393 [SPEAKER_00]: And and again, I do think that and by the way, this is for all TV. 24:38.733 --> 24:38.853 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 24:38.873 --> 24:40.653 [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's an episode in different seasons too. 24:40.673 --> 24:43.054 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember where they take a trip to another city? 24:44.374 --> 24:44.734 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. 24:44.774 --> 24:46.995 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, to me, I was like, what are we even doing? 24:47.707 --> 24:55.510 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were trying to give you background on a different character, but to me it felt really out of that field and that's my favorite show ever. 24:55.830 --> 24:57.391 [SPEAKER_01]: So my point is it happens television. 24:57.991 --> 24:59.371 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, that's right. 24:59.712 --> 25:04.333 [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, I mean, say him in, you know, with a spade was like the flashback episode. 25:04.814 --> 25:05.034 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 25:07.234 --> 25:13.477 [SPEAKER_00]: I think also on on the other side of that, like they're they're 25:14.945 --> 25:16.367 [SPEAKER_00]: doing multiple things. 25:16.647 --> 25:20.112 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would say it's also maybe 25:23.760 --> 25:38.752 [SPEAKER_00]: less of the lamentest thing because if you remember most of that episode really is like I think you get I don't know maybe like two minutes or three minutes of what's going on at the TVA and the rest of it is really just on lamentest. 25:38.813 --> 25:42.255 [SPEAKER_00]: Whereas here you do have a lot going on within the mind scape. 25:42.456 --> 25:46.719 [SPEAKER_00]: You have the stuff with like the butcher bird happening. 25:47.199 --> 25:47.580 [SPEAKER_00]: You have 25:53.873 --> 26:02.096 [SPEAKER_00]: they're moving a lot forward to where you have if you didn't have that going it would I would probably be complaining that that they're doing too much too fast and it's rushed. 26:02.516 --> 26:02.676 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 26:02.837 --> 26:05.117 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that that's the same thing. 26:05.137 --> 26:07.238 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it just feels it feels a touch off. 26:07.358 --> 26:07.718 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all. 26:08.299 --> 26:08.639 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 26:08.679 --> 26:08.799 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 26:08.839 --> 26:18.723 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I think part of it for me is the maybe what what you talked about early on with Tommy where I 26:20.128 --> 26:41.334 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I just can't quite figure out, not how I feel about the character, but where that sweet spot is, because you asked me what I thought about the performance in the first two episodes, and I said that other than the kind of, like, particularly frantic interview moments, I thought it was good. 26:41.354 --> 26:45.656 [SPEAKER_00]: I understand what they're doing here and that he is 26:46.807 --> 26:47.928 [SPEAKER_00]: He's gone through a lot. 26:48.368 --> 26:50.690 [SPEAKER_00]: He is mentally and emotionally all over the place. 26:50.730 --> 26:55.855 [SPEAKER_00]: And then now, as an orphan, he has suddenly given this father figure. 26:57.476 --> 27:02.961 [SPEAKER_00]: And there are a lot of questions and there's excitement and they addressed some of this explicitly in episode four. 27:03.381 --> 27:12.629 [SPEAKER_00]: But there are still things where it's just like, it, I don't know if it's like the dynamic where he gets like so, 27:13.777 --> 27:17.339 [SPEAKER_00]: like vulnerable and yeah, really quickly. 27:17.719 --> 27:32.868 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I think I would expect someone that's been like a uh, a and and and I think the inverse of that is true for me, too, which is like, I also don't know that I fully buy that vision would be so scared to tell the truth. 27:35.053 --> 27:40.355 [SPEAKER_01]: Like his reaction could be avoided if he just said the truth from the beginning. 27:40.515 --> 27:43.215 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not like the truth is so unbearable. 27:43.595 --> 27:47.477 [SPEAKER_01]: He's basically saying the truth is like, it wasn't real. 27:47.557 --> 27:49.057 [SPEAKER_01]: And so this can't be a real thing. 27:49.777 --> 27:51.938 [SPEAKER_01]: Why can't you tell him that if that's what you like. 27:53.085 --> 27:58.106 [SPEAKER_01]: And so like he's he's playing it a little bit too much like Tom Hiddleston and Thor one. 27:58.466 --> 28:01.807 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me it's a little over the top for me. 28:02.427 --> 28:08.588 [SPEAKER_01]: And then vision, it's a little unrealistic to me that he's not responding a little more straight forward. 28:08.608 --> 28:09.188 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a robot. 28:09.948 --> 28:20.370 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, and I, I, I, I like that part of that is, you know, vision was already before Tommy was even introduced to this. 28:21.907 --> 28:36.740 [SPEAKER_00]: We saw him confused and conflicted and not really knowing who he was, but also how to interact with people like even his friend at the bar of the bar owner. 28:37.719 --> 28:47.888 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I get that now you throw in a child that he doesn't have an emotional connection with, but as kind of memories associated with potentially. 28:48.488 --> 28:59.698 [SPEAKER_00]: So, again, I get what they're doing, but I think there are certain times where I see it on paper and I think that it all tracks, but there's something about the execution. 29:01.057 --> 29:03.438 [SPEAKER_00]: again in season in episode three specifically. 29:03.658 --> 29:04.759 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, too. 29:05.359 --> 29:09.701 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and by the way, the show is so freaking good. 29:09.981 --> 29:11.181 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait. 29:11.561 --> 29:18.944 [SPEAKER_01]: So that again, the disclaimer here, as we've talked mostly, I think we're always trying to dance around words because it's not a disaster. 29:19.024 --> 29:20.205 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a seven out of ten. 29:20.225 --> 29:21.565 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's hear we go. 29:21.825 --> 29:23.986 [SPEAKER_01]: The grade for this for me for the episode 29:26.417 --> 29:26.597 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 29:27.558 --> 29:28.098 [SPEAKER_01]: If that's fair. 29:28.238 --> 29:29.499 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 29:29.579 --> 29:47.408 [SPEAKER_01]: And then and then and it's weird because I think in episode four they kind of start to move off like the end of episode three is vision and Tommy have a little bit of that healing right vision tells him this is real and taught me kind of accepts that this is this weird 29:48.585 --> 29:50.506 [SPEAKER_01]: thing he stumbled into, I guess his life. 29:51.286 --> 29:55.748 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but they kind of a little bit close that chapter that we're family now. 29:56.608 --> 29:58.969 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I think the show gets better for it. 29:59.149 --> 30:01.150 [SPEAKER_01]: Like what now that that's kind of healed. 30:02.077 --> 30:06.581 [SPEAKER_01]: I think episode four where they're kind of just working together now is more fun and fresh. 30:06.621 --> 30:13.186 [SPEAKER_01]: And like, if that was a lamentus episode for episode three, we're now moving off lamentus. 30:13.867 --> 30:15.308 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the show gets better for it. 30:15.688 --> 30:21.833 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that the person who's playing the robot, the butcher bird is really good. 30:21.933 --> 30:22.534 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really good. 30:23.154 --> 30:23.354 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 30:23.514 --> 30:25.116 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 30:25.496 --> 30:28.498 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a really welcome addition to the show. 30:31.683 --> 30:42.930 [SPEAKER_00]: I also think, in episode 4, it's nice to see him have to reconcile his two lives. 30:44.751 --> 30:53.856 [SPEAKER_00]: I forget the character's name, but his friend, slash girlfriend, for her to see him acting 31:01.129 --> 31:21.933 [SPEAKER_00]: respond appropriately to be like you this is strange like you're kind of you're you're getting too comfortable too quickly like you're too into this and for him to react so defensively is like signals to me that the show is it knows what it's doing and it's doing that intentionally. 31:22.353 --> 31:26.654 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that that also kind of helped reframe episode three for me where 31:30.111 --> 31:40.717 [SPEAKER_00]: it's it's not like one of those things where you get to the end and you're like why on earth, but this is character acting like this unhinged, you kind of see okay, well, they are recognizing it within the universe. 31:41.177 --> 31:46.861 [SPEAKER_00]: So I liked that and I liked that it kind of gets to like right as it's getting to the point where they're sort of 31:48.201 --> 32:04.174 [SPEAKER_00]: getting the most insane can vision is trying to be like more of a dad and it's feeling a little more confident in the way that he's approaching both that relationship and the the hunt for this other centsoid. 32:05.034 --> 32:05.615 [SPEAKER_00]: Like right. 32:06.957 --> 32:16.684 [SPEAKER_00]: Then is when he then has to kind of relinquish control and give it over to Ultron, which I thought was an excellent cliffhanger. 32:17.024 --> 32:21.407 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about that in one second in the Greater MCU because I think that's going to matter too. 32:23.769 --> 32:29.553 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, like the just the idea of the whole thing in episode four was so cool to me. 32:29.934 --> 32:35.498 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it first of all, the creativity to come up with this mind palace idea and then 32:36.508 --> 32:56.527 [SPEAKER_01]: the different ways it's leaking like data leaking or we're out of cool it or cookies like even the subtle shutout in episode one we didn't call out of you know um all trying eating cookies and cookies on the internet typically things that you leave behind as a even and he's trying to track them and I thought episode four was kind of fun to 32:57.868 --> 33:17.318 [SPEAKER_01]: mix in the detective thing and the different ways that they're visualizing Edith, our friend Emily, we're like every time she's in a different outfit because she's doing a different thing like detective, we're like now at the morgue or whatever with the body and like watching that whole side of it and though creative ways they can come with 33:17.838 --> 33:26.663 [SPEAKER_01]: come up with vision needs to power down and that little pixelated fire thing is overheating and it's all again, it works because it's all this in his head. 33:26.683 --> 33:31.425 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not real, but it's like what would the computer be, how would the computer be processing? 33:32.006 --> 33:34.787 [SPEAKER_00]: But then you feel like the fire hydrant that was legitimately funny. 33:35.508 --> 33:37.709 [SPEAKER_01]: Yo with dummy any you? 33:38.482 --> 33:38.983 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no. 33:39.003 --> 33:43.306 [SPEAKER_00]: The like, like, which one of these pictures has a fire in it? 33:44.087 --> 33:44.387 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 33:44.948 --> 33:45.248 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 33:45.568 --> 33:46.469 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was. 33:46.489 --> 33:47.110 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good joke. 33:47.490 --> 33:48.751 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought of everyone. 33:48.971 --> 33:53.055 [SPEAKER_00]: The capture and the way that they like spader spader. 33:53.115 --> 34:04.705 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just in general, spader's doing spader and batany both, any time they're doing scenes together, everything's kind of immediately elevated, but the the comedic stuff like that, I feel like he's doing a great job with. 34:05.048 --> 34:27.645 [SPEAKER_01]: you want to rent a porno, and then so you have that going on and then it comes back to the real world, like I said, like again, I'm calling this out, the cinematography or something about like it just looks so cool when they're at this party and things go, hey, why are so in the background, you get all these flashing lights of screens that are like sparking out and things like that. 34:28.666 --> 34:36.833 [SPEAKER_01]: And it just looks really great, it just the way they're fitting in the CGI robot stuff looks so tangible to my eye. 34:37.313 --> 34:38.734 [SPEAKER_01]: So I really got to give a shout out there. 34:39.074 --> 34:40.355 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of creatively of vision. 34:40.436 --> 34:50.784 [SPEAKER_01]: And then how they envision giving the keys over to Ultron, where he's driving the boat and he says that there are no strings on me is pretty, I mean, so good to hear. 34:51.344 --> 34:51.624 [SPEAKER_01]: I was 34:52.505 --> 34:54.888 [SPEAKER_01]: I was, I was, I was, I had strange for now. 34:54.908 --> 34:56.109 [SPEAKER_01]: I had strange now, I'm free. 34:56.269 --> 34:57.270 [SPEAKER_01]: There are no strings on me. 34:57.690 --> 35:03.296 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it taking over Paul Bettney's body because they're still just vision with him talking. 35:03.616 --> 35:08.321 [SPEAKER_01]: So just shout out to the creativity there with all this stuff. 35:08.682 --> 35:14.548 [SPEAKER_00]: I do want to, wanna know, like my experience on the color front. 35:16.432 --> 35:21.534 [SPEAKER_00]: part of it was probably I was watching it on on a, on like our nicer TV. 35:22.635 --> 35:32.119 [SPEAKER_00]: Then I watched the first ones on, but I did notice like there's like a warmth to the coloring on the show that I had. 35:32.219 --> 35:39.081 [SPEAKER_01]: I had a red TV, you know, really fancy a real expensive TV and it looks so deep and rich. 35:39.382 --> 35:40.342 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it does. 35:41.322 --> 35:44.704 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, yeah, I, I noted like to the point where I, I was like, 35:45.717 --> 35:49.739 [SPEAKER_00]: I was making sure that it wasn't just like I had unlocked some magic setting on my TV. 35:50.240 --> 35:53.061 [SPEAKER_00]: But then I was watching other things, and I was like, no, everything else looks normal. 35:53.101 --> 35:53.842 [SPEAKER_00]: This is just like... 35:54.691 --> 35:59.634 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it feels like there's like a lot of when he goes to the mine house. 35:59.654 --> 36:02.476 [SPEAKER_01]: When he goes to the mine house, it's very vibrant, colorful. 36:02.496 --> 36:07.680 [SPEAKER_01]: Like all this like gardens of the galaxy color palette ish from the outside. 36:08.421 --> 36:10.202 [SPEAKER_01]: Fake, like, fakely saturated. 36:11.002 --> 36:11.182 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 36:11.202 --> 36:14.605 [SPEAKER_01]: Then like inside the house, it has like a very warm mansion feel. 36:15.145 --> 36:17.647 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they cut to these real world scenes that are very, 36:19.428 --> 36:25.519 [SPEAKER_01]: dark, but not gray, dark and rich, like the pool, the party, the hotel. 36:27.362 --> 36:29.025 [SPEAKER_01]: What a weird thing to call out, but it does. 36:29.065 --> 36:30.368 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks really good, man. 36:30.716 --> 36:48.563 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, it's funny kind of coming off of the conversation we had about in game on core and yes, it looks more like that right looks more in line with that because yeah, even even thinking back to want a vision like not the, you know, not the sitcom stuff obviously, but the stuff that is. 36:51.081 --> 36:54.124 [SPEAKER_00]: like the sword kind of outside of the heck stuff. 36:54.304 --> 36:57.286 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, has that sort of cooler palette to it? 36:58.187 --> 36:59.188 [SPEAKER_01]: So I- A little grayer? 36:59.768 --> 37:07.055 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I, and I do think that, you know, you think of something like, like Moon Knight, I think kind of has a similar palette. 37:07.735 --> 37:17.303 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I, yeah, it's really nice because it does have, I think that is part of the thing that she and you're talking about that always kind of signals to my brain that I'm watching. 37:17.343 --> 37:25.389 [SPEAKER_00]: It does need plus show instead of a like an HBO show or an Apple, like a newer Apple TV show although Apple TV has also had that in the past. 37:26.009 --> 37:27.310 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, and it's not here. 37:27.711 --> 37:28.251 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not here. 37:28.311 --> 37:29.852 [SPEAKER_00]: No, if, yeah, it feels a lot more. 37:30.213 --> 37:31.814 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, it's also not an iron heart. 37:32.154 --> 37:33.375 [SPEAKER_01]: That sounds crazy to say. 37:33.395 --> 37:33.876 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. 37:34.016 --> 37:36.598 [SPEAKER_01]: Iron heart also looks like this more to me, which is 37:37.322 --> 37:44.029 [SPEAKER_00]: Where, Chad, I, I, I should also say, like I, I am very proud of my Ola TV. 37:44.209 --> 37:48.373 [SPEAKER_00]: I did like scout open box deals on Best Buy for a long time. 37:49.014 --> 37:50.856 [SPEAKER_01]: Just new or I've seen this one. 37:51.276 --> 37:55.541 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the one you're looking at you or in the other guest rooms. 37:56.282 --> 38:01.805 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, yeah, it's, it's in the, it's in the, the guest room slash play room area. 38:01.825 --> 38:02.005 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 38:02.365 --> 38:02.605 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 38:02.785 --> 38:02.945 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 38:03.305 --> 38:04.726 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's where like we now have that. 38:05.326 --> 38:07.067 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like that TV. 38:08.367 --> 38:10.909 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like what the same something S 95. 38:10.929 --> 38:11.109 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. 38:11.129 --> 38:11.309 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. 38:12.109 --> 38:12.970 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm paid ad here. 38:15.472 --> 38:21.958 [SPEAKER_00]: I was really trying to get like, okay, because then I, any, but Samson, you want to pause with a pod. 38:22.139 --> 38:22.859 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll take it. 38:22.959 --> 38:35.851 [SPEAKER_00]: I've got it primarily for watching stuff like on disk, and so it's been really, really fun getting to go back through and watch certain MCU things on like a 4K disk, because it's just like we watched Infinity War the other day before. 38:36.532 --> 38:38.694 [SPEAKER_00]: and came on core, and it's wild. 38:38.734 --> 38:39.294 [SPEAKER_00]: How good it looks. 38:39.815 --> 38:44.719 [SPEAKER_00]: But then this is my first time like, oh, stream something on here too, because normally we watch TV in the other room. 38:44.739 --> 38:55.408 [SPEAKER_01]: But there is also, I mean, not only is the show better, and not only is the TV better, there's definitely a improvement when you come from watching it with your email. 38:56.048 --> 39:05.839 [SPEAKER_01]: scattered across the back of the image and on a computer screen in a hotel with like the windows open so like it was hard to kind of tell And now watching it at night dark on a no led TV. 39:05.879 --> 39:07.421 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, there's no email here. 39:07.441 --> 39:13.227 [SPEAKER_01]: This looks amazing But we're gonna be back with the important stuff after a quick word from these sponsors 39:28.267 --> 39:31.949 [SPEAKER_01]: So on the greater MCU front, there's a lot of stuff here. 39:33.249 --> 39:35.810 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about the small connectivity. 39:36.470 --> 39:42.633 [SPEAKER_01]: 10 rings getting a shout out, Ted getting a shout out, Daredevil getting a shout out, Adam Antim getting a shout out. 39:44.133 --> 39:44.914 [SPEAKER_00]: With the other things? 39:45.574 --> 39:50.136 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, by the way, I just want to, I just want to know before we do look at the bigger things. 39:51.657 --> 39:52.477 [SPEAKER_00]: That is what, 39:53.655 --> 39:56.776 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that is what you and I have been making a case for forever, right? 39:56.836 --> 39:59.036 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, all you have to do is start with. 39:59.557 --> 40:00.817 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you add in. 40:01.457 --> 40:03.418 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a, it's all like a line can do. 40:04.258 --> 40:05.178 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, so much. 40:05.478 --> 40:08.019 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, now we're like, oh, let's go over here and see you. 40:08.139 --> 40:13.100 [SPEAKER_01]: And like, if you don't, if you don't watch those projects, then who really cares? 40:13.260 --> 40:14.301 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, what does that line mean? 40:14.661 --> 40:18.022 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just him showing all of these crazy experiences that he's had. 40:18.062 --> 40:19.122 [SPEAKER_00]: So it works either way. 40:19.242 --> 40:21.743 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, and the thing is you don't have to, 40:24.151 --> 40:27.894 [SPEAKER_00]: like we have to pull in an actor, we have to like do a bunch of exposition. 40:27.954 --> 40:31.996 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like little things like that to show again. 40:32.056 --> 40:37.220 [SPEAKER_00]: It's some of the stuff that I think that they did pretty well in the movies and like the face to era. 40:37.340 --> 40:38.681 [SPEAKER_00]: And so yeah, it's nice to see that. 40:39.421 --> 40:44.705 [SPEAKER_01]: And I like that they don't foundationally try to change what you think of those characters. 40:44.745 --> 40:48.267 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he didn't say, remember that time I destroyed that guy from Hell's Kitchen? 40:48.647 --> 40:49.108 [SPEAKER_01]: It was. 40:50.317 --> 40:52.919 [SPEAKER_01]: whatever batons he had did a lot of damage. 40:53.260 --> 40:54.461 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got him. 40:55.381 --> 40:56.502 [SPEAKER_01]: So like it's the other way around. 40:56.723 --> 40:58.985 [SPEAKER_01]: So you know, they're not trying to rewrite history here. 40:59.325 --> 41:01.327 [SPEAKER_01]: That pallidin would beat all these people. 41:01.427 --> 41:05.850 [SPEAKER_01]: Like with Teddy was like, he was a really nice guy until he wasn't, you know, kind of thing. 41:07.832 --> 41:11.635 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's all of that on the larger side of things. 41:12.256 --> 41:16.580 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the ultra on taking over stuff was so cool. 41:17.893 --> 41:18.874 [SPEAKER_01]: was so cool. 41:19.515 --> 41:21.397 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to do something right now. 41:22.077 --> 41:24.700 [SPEAKER_01]: So we have a segment on the show called from a friend. 41:25.941 --> 41:28.024 [SPEAKER_01]: And this to me is unbelievable. 41:28.204 --> 41:30.887 [SPEAKER_01]: I got an Instagram message yesterday from a listener. 41:31.707 --> 41:36.552 [SPEAKER_01]: And the last time this person message us, Robbie, was 2020. 41:38.266 --> 41:56.245 [SPEAKER_01]: So I got a message yesterday and 2020 and wow and this is what he set me the message for let me read his original message from 2020 when we were going back through the rewatch so he message just January 18 of 2020 so this is like this is like two months into the podcast three months into the podcast 41:56.646 --> 41:57.807 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm trying to remember. 41:58.008 --> 42:00.831 [SPEAKER_00]: I think is doing a total drone, right? 42:01.311 --> 42:02.513 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think we're doing edge of all trunks. 42:02.533 --> 42:05.456 [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's the so what he says, hey, guys, love the podcast. 42:05.616 --> 42:08.219 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know we are up to age of all trunks. 42:08.239 --> 42:12.444 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't forget to mention the last part of the movie with all trunks voice. 42:12.824 --> 42:16.508 [SPEAKER_01]: He's still out there, meaning he may not be done in the MCU. 42:17.209 --> 42:23.150 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, great way to touch on the other AI's Tony did, like Jacosta, et cetera. 42:23.670 --> 42:25.611 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't die with Tony. 42:25.711 --> 42:27.431 [SPEAKER_01]: They are still out there somewhere. 42:29.592 --> 42:31.092 [SPEAKER_01]: That's an, that's an insane poll. 42:31.112 --> 42:31.712 [SPEAKER_01]: That is wild. 42:32.172 --> 42:40.594 [SPEAKER_01]: So last night he said, please, you know, he said, my name is Liam Tenet, shouted out loud in the box, that I called this, Jacosta seven years ago. 42:40.994 --> 42:41.814 [SPEAKER_00]: Incredible. 42:43.035 --> 42:43.655 [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that crazy? 42:45.758 --> 42:55.305 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like the idea that like this is a way to bring a character back when you had it ever being brought back technically because Ultron was killed. 42:55.345 --> 43:13.118 [SPEAKER_01]: He was white from the internet, but this idea that there's a part of it that lives in vision still in this body because of how it was implanted and that so evasion can hand the keys over to him that he can now take that body over as Ultron and that that was so I wanted 43:14.787 --> 43:30.190 [SPEAKER_00]: ask you your read on that because initially I had thought, okay, well, this is because of the partial upload where there was some part of Ultron living in his in his consciousness or memory or whatever. 43:31.290 --> 43:40.332 [SPEAKER_00]: But then this made it seem like he actually like wind vision like destroys the 43:44.455 --> 44:04.560 [SPEAKER_00]: robot at the end of age of Ultron that he actually, instead of destroying him, like that's when he like copies him into vision's memory because like he makes Ultron makes the comment like I didn't ask to be copy and paste it out of Sikovia into this whatever. 44:06.180 --> 44:08.721 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they made another comment like that in episode four. 44:09.241 --> 44:13.222 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not a huge deal either way, but I'm getting the sense now that 44:14.237 --> 44:23.261 [SPEAKER_00]: vision actually made the choice at the end of age of Ultron to like save Ultron. 44:24.482 --> 44:27.083 [SPEAKER_01]: Which way did the light off the internet you think? 44:27.383 --> 44:31.645 [SPEAKER_01]: Like when he did his hands on his head, that maybe he took some of that? 44:32.686 --> 44:34.387 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or just the... 44:35.090 --> 44:37.712 [SPEAKER_01]: Because at the very end, they didn't touch at all. 44:37.812 --> 44:39.753 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe it's all robots. 44:39.773 --> 44:40.974 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they don't show you, though. 44:41.254 --> 44:43.575 [SPEAKER_00]: They show like the, you know, he like lunges at him. 44:43.636 --> 44:50.620 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you see like the flash, but again, I'm guessing it's not a huge deal either way, but I thought it was kind of an inch. 44:50.900 --> 44:51.621 [SPEAKER_00]: It is different. 44:53.022 --> 45:03.428 [SPEAKER_00]: It gives you a little bit more insight into vision and that he, it's not an accident that Ultronis is like still lingering there. 45:05.463 --> 45:06.764 [SPEAKER_00]: like it was a conscious choice. 45:06.864 --> 45:14.892 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess maybe it's a conscious choice either way because he probably could have eradicated whatever remnants of Ultron were there if it was something from the upload. 45:16.573 --> 45:23.540 [SPEAKER_00]: But I thought on the just following up front, they do seem to kind of, there's a lot of Sikovia talk in general in these episodes. 45:24.087 --> 45:26.789 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're actually celebrating or not celebrating. 45:26.829 --> 45:28.049 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember, I'm not celebrating. 45:28.089 --> 45:35.853 [SPEAKER_01]: Remembering the day of the attack in this episode, which shout out to the director, Terry Matollas, not the director of the showrunner. 45:36.034 --> 45:37.855 [SPEAKER_01]: Gahli, I'm just posh that whole thing. 45:38.035 --> 45:42.737 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and remembering Sikovia and Terry is in the interview, which is kind of a fun cameo. 45:46.908 --> 45:58.485 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, there's so many tie-ins even down to the line of there are no strings on me, you know, being a direct reference, I feel like how they've handled Ultron is perfect. 45:59.840 --> 46:10.731 [SPEAKER_01]: In that, he's written in the first couple episodes as this thing that's trapped in the upstairs and is being punished for misbehaving essentially by losing all of his stuff. 46:11.211 --> 46:23.043 [SPEAKER_01]: It's an AI who because he's been bested, it has been studying humanity more than vision, so he's a little more well versed in their art, in their beauty and the things that they're emotions, the pain. 46:23.563 --> 46:25.923 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's why he can roll his eyes. 46:26.103 --> 46:39.946 [SPEAKER_01]: Like episode three and half of four is basically just him, like in that car, being like the sidekick, the evil person on a vision shoulder, just kind of making sarcastic comments about what he's learned that vision hasn't learned. 46:40.386 --> 46:45.327 [SPEAKER_01]: But I like that we start getting here and it's hard to know what his motive is. 46:45.387 --> 46:49.828 [SPEAKER_01]: Like when he sent the original email, the pigeon, or whatever, right? 46:50.248 --> 46:50.988 [SPEAKER_01]: Like his Ultron, 46:52.212 --> 46:54.673 [SPEAKER_01]: He literally says 50, 50 coin flip in the first episode. 46:54.733 --> 46:55.393 [SPEAKER_01]: Is he bad? 46:56.094 --> 46:56.654 [SPEAKER_01]: Is he good? 46:57.114 --> 47:00.896 [SPEAKER_01]: Like vision, trust him enough to give him the body to help win this. 47:01.216 --> 47:05.898 [SPEAKER_01]: He says, I won't let he promises that somebody won't die. 47:05.978 --> 47:06.519 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it Tommy? 47:06.939 --> 47:12.321 [SPEAKER_01]: He promises Tommy won't die, but he does not promise that this other lady won't die and then he kills her, essentially. 47:12.681 --> 47:13.362 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's written. 47:13.842 --> 47:14.462 [SPEAKER_01]: Tricks to come. 47:14.482 --> 47:15.763 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been killing her. 47:16.443 --> 47:34.475 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean to be fair also like she was going to kill her anyway, you know, so it's it's not that he like he is he is just tricking Jakosta into killing her in a way that also keeps Jakosta from getting what she's after. 47:35.735 --> 47:39.318 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like it does it feels very 47:41.324 --> 48:00.739 [SPEAKER_00]: very ultra on and that it is not it's not sadistic it's not like maniacal he's just he's looking at I mean it makes sense with what he tells vision like you can't do this like you don't have like you're not in the space to do it but I can and it is like that's the very simple solution but doesn't involve him 48:01.760 --> 48:12.843 [SPEAKER_00]: having to like best her and a fight, uh, but he beats her like immediately or at least stops her from getting what she's after, but then obviously, you know, allows her to be vaporous. 48:13.323 --> 48:13.523 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 48:15.283 --> 48:15.623 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 48:16.203 --> 48:19.364 [SPEAKER_01]: Where do you think as we stand here today, where do you think? 48:20.764 --> 48:25.866 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the questions you're lingering with or where do you stand on on all Tron, 48:30.356 --> 48:55.555 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm curious to get like there's clearly some some like, you know, bad blood relating to the invention of like the first AI and like the fact that that all happens like around the time that like I thought it it seems significant to me that 48:58.194 --> 49:11.378 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you have this, the creation of this AI, the original creator, it seems like maybe the primary creator dying, but not necessarily dying, and then it getting sold. 49:11.959 --> 49:15.780 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they said like, all that's in like 2008, and then it goes to Tony. 49:16.200 --> 49:22.262 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like all happening prior to when we first see Tony and Jarvis know of that fully formed. 49:24.047 --> 49:29.929 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, like, I, I like that I'm not really sure what's going on there and what she's after. 49:29.949 --> 49:44.973 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's not, like, I don't, I don't think that they're doing what they, what the comics did with Holtron and, and Jekosta, but I'm, I'm curious to see how that plays out. 49:45.073 --> 49:45.494 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you. 49:45.534 --> 49:46.834 [SPEAKER_00]: I like that actress a lot. 49:47.434 --> 49:49.975 [SPEAKER_00]: She's shown up in a lot of, like, my planning and stuff. 49:51.661 --> 49:55.724 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and some of the horror elements they're using with her are pretty cool, right? 49:55.924 --> 50:03.809 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the wings and how she's revealed the first time the panic that that one guy has with the shotgun and you could just see her eyeballs, like I think that's kind of cool. 50:04.470 --> 50:18.339 [SPEAKER_00]: It kind of reminds me to, uh, of Ultron, I mean, obviously visually, there's a lot of continuity with Ultron, but also, um, there's, like, 50:19.513 --> 50:23.836 [SPEAKER_00]: in Age of Ultron when he kills Strucker in, you know, like, did a bank see at the crime scene. 50:24.657 --> 50:24.977 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 50:25.297 --> 50:32.342 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, reminds me of what she's doing with, with the wings, you know, like, there's some kind of, like, artistic flair. 50:32.362 --> 50:33.383 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 50:33.543 --> 50:40.267 [SPEAKER_01]: And in general, I think that's even how she communicates with vision in the mind palace, like all the birds flying around, everything turns red. 50:40.287 --> 50:43.449 [SPEAKER_01]: And then she pops up on the TV, basically, like the ring style. 50:44.415 --> 50:57.846 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one in like the kind of exercise and stuff I thought was really made of there too, but no, I would say like the big question that that I have is all trons. 50:59.295 --> 51:25.880 [SPEAKER_00]: connection to jacosta because they do look so similar, like I'm curious how this, like the, because we were not aware of any of this prior history, like I think all, all we ever knew prior to this is that Tony developed AI assistance and eventually that leads to Jarvis and eventually that leads to Ultron and Vision, but now we're finding out that 51:26.760 --> 51:44.450 [SPEAKER_00]: they had achieved not only like had they achieved something prior to Tony buying the company, they had achieved something a generation back with Jim Hammond with the original human torch that we talked about last episode that gets explicitly discussed. 51:45.030 --> 51:45.590 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure. 51:45.650 --> 51:52.454 [SPEAKER_00]: If any is Horton gets explicitly discussed, so which, which by the way, great call out like I 51:57.356 --> 52:02.219 [SPEAKER_00]: Although, but it isn't that first you in and that first issue of Marvel's. 52:03.659 --> 52:04.260 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're right. 52:04.300 --> 52:06.401 [SPEAKER_00]: You're right. 52:06.461 --> 52:07.661 [SPEAKER_00]: But no, that that's something else. 52:07.701 --> 52:10.423 [SPEAKER_00]: I really like I think I remember them making a comment. 52:11.844 --> 52:17.226 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it was at the at the New York Comic Con panel about how if you really enjoy 52:18.840 --> 52:34.851 [SPEAKER_00]: the DMCU connectivity, but also the like digging deep into the Marvel Comics lore, then there's stuff for you here and kind of on the like wrapping the just following up segment here as we close. 52:34.992 --> 52:38.034 [SPEAKER_00]: I yeah, I like that they're doing both like 52:38.922 --> 52:42.924 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a pretty, like the whole idea behind the human torch. 52:43.804 --> 52:45.885 [SPEAKER_00]: Originally it was supposed to be an android. 52:45.905 --> 52:47.766 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this was like in the 40s, I think. 52:49.946 --> 52:58.510 [SPEAKER_00]: And at this point, the main marvel, it wasn't even called Marvel Comics at that point, but it was like this human torch, android, name, or in Captain America. 52:59.735 --> 53:16.097 [SPEAKER_00]: and he was just like an android that for whatever reason there was some issue where when he's exposed to oxygen he can busts but i like the way that they explain it here and that it's not just that he can busts that he is attempting to like oh like 53:17.373 --> 53:18.714 [SPEAKER_01]: feel on this end. 53:18.995 --> 53:28.064 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, like, these complex emotions and that it just litter, it like over, it overheats in this spectacular way. 53:28.084 --> 53:39.495 [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that that as like a contrast to old vision, but also sort of like a look at what's going on with vision here is interesting. 53:39.595 --> 53:41.076 [SPEAKER_00]: I love the way that they talk about 53:42.078 --> 53:45.900 [SPEAKER_00]: why the mind stone was really crucial to that not happening. 53:46.120 --> 53:48.942 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't catch that on my first watch and I caught it last night. 53:50.582 --> 53:55.525 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, because there's some people have asked us, like, how does he have these things? 53:55.665 --> 53:56.986 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you have even brought that up. 53:57.006 --> 53:57.866 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, how can he do these things? 53:57.946 --> 53:58.927 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have the mind stone. 53:59.087 --> 54:00.808 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, years ago, we would talk about this. 54:03.049 --> 54:10.193 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they last night specifically say, well, I was able to survive this because I was created from another worldly power source. 54:10.888 --> 54:13.792 [SPEAKER_00]: And he says, like, luckily, I still have enough of that. 54:14.433 --> 54:23.287 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if that's like, maybe it's a combination of when he was created, like there's, you know, there's still in his body, some like. 54:24.572 --> 54:44.829 [SPEAKER_00]: mind stone like energy in the same way there was for Wanda right for Wanda, but then also you have that moment at the end of Wanda vision when the vision that Wanda has created out of her own kind of mind stone powers, then imports that into imports something into a white vision. 54:45.369 --> 54:49.713 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think you can get there either way or both ways, but I like that 54:51.047 --> 55:03.796 [SPEAKER_00]: Like again, to your initial point, there's a lot of digging into MCU lore that I could see a newcomer being kind of turned off by. 55:05.477 --> 55:19.868 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that when you're talking about closing out of trilogy and you're dealing with characters that have a long history in the MCU and a history that has not been really explored very extensively 55:21.165 --> 55:31.892 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I think it's it's a welcome thing like I would certainly rather than kind of double back and flesh all the stuff out than just take it totally in a new direction. 55:33.633 --> 55:38.857 [SPEAKER_00]: All that to say I don't know where to cost to fit into that like I think it's interesting that she was apparently. 55:40.823 --> 55:52.990 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting the sense that she is not a recent creation, but that she predates Ultron potentially, or at least there's some kind of blueprints there that could, but I don't know. 55:53.810 --> 55:55.211 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, three things real fast. 55:55.431 --> 55:59.833 [SPEAKER_01]: One, we've never seen why Ultron looks the way he does as a robot, right? 56:00.114 --> 56:06.157 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw Tony Stark's robot start being taken over, but then the next time you see him, he's just a robot. 56:07.281 --> 56:10.723 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he, he like creates his own body, right? 56:14.364 --> 56:15.325 [SPEAKER_01]: But do we see that ever? 56:15.345 --> 56:18.506 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think when, when do we see that happen off-screen? 56:19.147 --> 56:19.827 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, right. 56:19.867 --> 56:25.190 [SPEAKER_00]: He like flies off as, as sort of like a battered, yeah, iron legion. 56:25.210 --> 56:29.512 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember, and then goes to struckers. 56:30.542 --> 56:37.357 [SPEAKER_00]: Facility in Sikovia and then you see everything kind of light up and I think that's when he's building himself right a stronger body 56:37.990 --> 56:48.440 [SPEAKER_01]: The second thing is, they talked in this episode about why they look the way they do in visions head, because they were based off models of other things. 56:48.460 --> 56:53.004 [SPEAKER_01]: So you have this whole conversation about Edith being based off this other real person named Edith. 56:53.284 --> 57:03.513 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously we know Jarvis, based off Jarvis, but also that happy Hogan's, maybe mother, it was a Hogan. 57:04.372 --> 57:06.693 [SPEAKER_01]: So one of them's a Hogan, which is really interesting. 57:07.393 --> 57:11.835 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it just does that Navy imply, yeah, one of them is a Hogan. 57:12.075 --> 57:13.036 [SPEAKER_01]: Which why am I thinking that? 57:13.296 --> 57:13.876 [SPEAKER_01]: One's a Hogan. 57:14.456 --> 57:20.399 [SPEAKER_01]: Does that maybe imply that they were Tony and happy were friends for a long time, you know, like a long, long time. 57:21.199 --> 57:25.961 [SPEAKER_01]: And we got a reference to why James Spader looks like James Spader. 57:27.442 --> 57:27.902 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 57:28.902 --> 57:30.663 [SPEAKER_01]: He was like, I don't, I don't really know. 57:31.143 --> 57:32.864 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, he's like, I just, this fits me. 57:34.212 --> 57:36.978 [SPEAKER_01]: So there wasn't like a model that they referenced here. 57:37.519 --> 57:44.455 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, by the way, you're right that, uh, yeah, Friday is based on. 57:45.891 --> 57:46.792 [SPEAKER_00]: Allison Hogan. 57:47.312 --> 57:47.573 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 57:47.813 --> 57:52.637 [SPEAKER_00]: Howard starts loyal assistant who was known as his girl Friday and helped raise Tony Stark. 57:52.677 --> 57:58.543 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember that line about him kind of helping raise Tony or her helping raise Tony. 57:58.563 --> 57:59.924 [SPEAKER_00]: So I guess, yeah, maybe you're right. 58:00.364 --> 58:01.866 [SPEAKER_00]: They're surely like they wouldn't be just. 58:02.246 --> 58:02.466 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 58:02.486 --> 58:03.507 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, why is it Hogan? 58:03.968 --> 58:04.188 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 58:04.568 --> 58:05.169 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 58:05.189 --> 58:05.429 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 58:05.449 --> 58:06.250 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just makes sense. 58:06.270 --> 58:08.352 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if he's kind of modeling it after somebody. 58:08.752 --> 58:08.892 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 58:08.932 --> 58:09.313 [SPEAKER_01]: Something. 58:09.893 --> 58:11.635 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the last thing I'll say is that 58:12.969 --> 58:26.337 [SPEAKER_01]: on the on the minestone front, that actually wouldn't be that far fetched or much of a stretch, like for example, Captain Marvel interacts with the infinity zone one time, and then that gives her her powers forever. 58:26.397 --> 58:30.660 [SPEAKER_01]: Even when the infinity stone is destroyed, I assume she still can do the things she's doing. 58:31.200 --> 58:35.062 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, wand that comes in contact with one, and then she can as powers. 58:35.102 --> 58:37.744 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, she's also a witch, but that kind of stays with her. 58:37.844 --> 58:39.065 [SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, Pietro. 58:40.125 --> 59:01.226 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, you know, so is it that crazy that white visions body is still the same body that did originally have the mindstone in there at one point and actually housed it wasn't it wasn't even just interacting with it right so I don't think it's that far fetch to say that he can now fly and have has lasers because of that because I saw a couple people on Twitter literally say that like how is this vision able to fly well 59:02.262 --> 59:04.544 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, every other time we've seen, yeah, I don't know. 59:05.104 --> 59:14.831 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it also, like, we've, I mean, Ultron can fly, you know, like I, I don't think that the, I don't think the mind stone is what allowed him to do everything. 59:14.891 --> 59:16.672 [SPEAKER_00]: I think, but yeah, like the, 59:17.884 --> 59:18.704 [SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense to me. 59:18.844 --> 59:19.204 [SPEAKER_00]: It is. 59:19.284 --> 59:19.885 [SPEAKER_00]: It is. 59:19.945 --> 59:26.067 [SPEAKER_01]: I think all Tron flies because he has like a jetpack of some sort, but you actually see thrusters on his back. 59:26.327 --> 59:27.007 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, right? 59:27.147 --> 59:27.727 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true. 59:27.767 --> 59:28.207 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true. 59:28.767 --> 59:29.648 [SPEAKER_01]: This is so funny. 59:30.608 --> 59:31.208 [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's true. 59:31.308 --> 59:32.889 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I guess like... 59:33.549 --> 59:34.169 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm agreeing with you. 59:34.469 --> 59:37.210 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's that crazy that the Mind Stone still around. 59:37.270 --> 59:43.712 [SPEAKER_01]: And even if you don't buy that answer, like you said, well, he was brought back online from Wanda's magic. 59:44.587 --> 59:44.787 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 59:44.827 --> 59:45.988 [SPEAKER_00]: So you can find that. 59:46.028 --> 59:46.368 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 59:46.408 --> 59:46.949 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true. 59:47.109 --> 59:47.609 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true. 59:47.749 --> 59:51.171 [SPEAKER_00]: That is like that's because they can't get them to work even though everything's lined up. 59:51.291 --> 59:55.174 [SPEAKER_01]: They couldn't power them on the whole time until they get some of her magic. 59:55.194 --> 59:57.696 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so no, go ahead. 59:57.816 --> 01:00:05.961 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was going to say I think that is one of those funny things to where, you know, you look at the infinity saga on its own. 01:00:07.322 --> 01:00:07.602 [SPEAKER_00]: And it 01:00:10.692 --> 01:00:17.254 [SPEAKER_00]: It is like, you see vision destroyed when he loses the mind stone. 01:00:17.894 --> 01:00:18.495 [SPEAKER_00]: You see Dr. 01:00:18.515 --> 01:00:20.615 [SPEAKER_00]: Strange, like, give up the eye of Agamoto. 01:00:21.476 --> 01:00:25.517 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it all works so perfectly as like a book into that story. 01:00:26.077 --> 01:00:36.361 [SPEAKER_00]: But then now we have to kind of move on and figure out like what it means for these characters to still exist and still be recognizable without some of their kind of core features. 01:00:38.530 --> 01:00:42.917 [SPEAKER_00]: to me, like they did a good job of kind of setting them up and want the vision. 01:00:44.560 --> 01:00:46.844 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's close this with a four-th of file. 01:00:46.864 --> 01:00:47.665 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's rank this. 01:00:47.845 --> 01:00:50.810 [SPEAKER_01]: I told you I think episode three for me would be a C plus. 01:00:51.030 --> 01:00:52.613 [SPEAKER_01]: I think episode four would be a B. 01:00:56.340 --> 01:01:01.644 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I saw that the first two episodes on IMDB had 8.2, which makes sense. 01:01:01.684 --> 01:01:11.732 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about B- I almost think we said both to B- so I could see episode 3 having I said C plus, you know, 7.7 and I think episode 4 will be 8.4 is my guess. 01:01:11.752 --> 01:01:12.052 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I 01:01:21.223 --> 01:01:22.844 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I I feel like we did this last week. 01:01:22.964 --> 01:01:23.905 [SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking last night. 01:01:24.565 --> 01:01:38.473 [SPEAKER_00]: I had landed on three plus on episode three I think I was between B minus and and B for episode four and I think I'm going with B as well, especially talking about it more Because it is doing a lot of things really well 01:01:39.743 --> 01:01:41.343 [SPEAKER_00]: We have a visit on the bottom of the bottom. 01:01:41.364 --> 01:01:44.765 [SPEAKER_00]: We do, yeah, she's a very active at the stage. 01:01:46.185 --> 01:01:47.425 [SPEAKER_00]: Robby's big eye, you know. 01:01:48.106 --> 01:01:53.447 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think it's doing so many things effectively. 01:01:53.647 --> 01:01:59.209 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious to see where things are going with Ultron and Tommy. 01:01:59.309 --> 01:02:08.752 [SPEAKER_00]: Like my prediction is that he is not at least in this moment. 01:02:10.472 --> 01:02:38.685 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... about to do like a full-on evil turn but that he's he's wanting to basically talk to Tommy the way he's been trying to get vision to talk to Tommy uh... like just no no like second guessing or holding back just kind of cutting to the core of things but i don't know like i i think it's uh... i think it's really like this show so far it is doing a great job of 01:02:40.395 --> 01:02:46.260 [SPEAKER_00]: dealing directly with so many of the questions that we had after one of the vision that we asked for years. 01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:48.722 [SPEAKER_00]: And I really love that. 01:02:49.082 --> 01:02:57.889 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think this is like another example of like, like we always thought when white vision comes online, like is it gonna be ultra now? 01:02:57.969 --> 01:03:00.411 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it isn't, it's just like kind of nobody. 01:03:01.271 --> 01:03:04.634 [SPEAKER_00]: But I love that we're now even exploring stuff like that. 01:03:04.774 --> 01:03:08.817 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm curious to see how Edith further develops 01:03:11.353 --> 01:03:17.898 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait for next week because I watched four episodes with my wife as part of the screen. 01:03:17.958 --> 01:03:20.259 [SPEAKER_01]: So now she hasn't seen beyond this. 01:03:20.299 --> 01:03:22.941 [SPEAKER_01]: So it'll be fun to relive that you haven't seen it. 01:03:25.383 --> 01:03:29.806 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just felt like Episode 7 and 8 directed by Terry were so good. 01:03:30.646 --> 01:03:36.470 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be fun to get to the episodes where Terry's touch is directly on the show. 01:03:39.029 --> 01:03:39.289 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait. 01:03:39.309 --> 01:03:39.649 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait. 01:03:39.729 --> 01:03:40.110 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait. 01:03:40.250 --> 01:03:40.990 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait to talk about it. 01:03:41.030 --> 01:03:44.672 [SPEAKER_01]: So next week for the record, there's two more episodes next week. 01:03:44.732 --> 01:03:46.332 [SPEAKER_01]: It's five and six still. 01:03:46.833 --> 01:03:53.216 [SPEAKER_01]: The following week is seven and the following week is eight and I think people are going to be really happy and surprised with where it goes. 01:03:53.516 --> 01:03:55.637 [SPEAKER_01]: So thanks for listening. 01:03:56.377 --> 01:03:57.578 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we talked about lots going on. 01:03:57.638 --> 01:03:59.539 [SPEAKER_01]: Check out our friends from work plus stuff. 01:03:59.619 --> 01:04:01.860 [SPEAKER_01]: Check out panel bound comics and then we'll see you back here. 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