WEBVTT 00:07.173 --> 00:12.137 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, welcome back to another episode of Making Monsters. 00:12.197 --> 00:14.059 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Taylor Dahl joining now by Adam Hogue. 00:14.079 --> 00:17.882 [SPEAKER_00]: You know him covering the Chicago Bears on CHTO Bears. 00:17.962 --> 00:19.763 [SPEAKER_00]: Adam, thanks for helping on and chatting with me. 00:20.423 --> 00:20.904 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Taylor. 00:20.944 --> 00:24.206 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a wild ride these first few weeks of the season. 00:24.687 --> 00:28.710 [SPEAKER_01]: Bears have looked really good into the games and really bad in the other game. 00:29.110 --> 00:31.492 [SPEAKER_01]: But I guess this is the roller coaster that is the NFL. 00:32.066 --> 00:36.849 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the first few seasons overall and NFL this year have been a little wild. 00:36.929 --> 00:42.013 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like sometimes winning the Browns are, I've won a couple games since losing to the Jags week blind. 00:42.033 --> 00:45.015 [SPEAKER_00]: The Raiders are three and oh, so some funky stuff going on. 00:45.055 --> 00:51.660 [SPEAKER_00]: I think in the next few weeks, we may get a better tell of which of those bears teams we are going to see for the rest of the year. 00:52.320 --> 00:56.145 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but we'll see, you know, when Caleb comes back, I think we'll have some more answers for sure. 00:56.585 --> 01:07.818 [SPEAKER_00]: But I do want to talk about one of the bigger storylines that just got announced yesterday, which I think is really interesting because we lived in this world where a lot of us, I think, Adam didn't think color Gordon was going to play another game for the bears. 01:07.858 --> 01:12.263 [SPEAKER_00]: And now we just got news yesterday that you got opened up into that 21-day practice window. 01:12.643 --> 01:17.390 [SPEAKER_00]: Then the kind of projected injury report comes out and he's a full participant in that. 01:17.450 --> 01:18.612 [SPEAKER_00]: So what are your thoughts on that? 01:18.652 --> 01:20.815 [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, maybe explain to some people what that means too. 01:20.835 --> 01:21.997 [SPEAKER_00]: People get confused a little bit. 01:22.177 --> 01:24.481 [SPEAKER_00]: What that 21-day practice window exactly means. 01:24.882 --> 01:28.287 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the full participant is a projection for this because it was a walkthrough. 01:29.745 --> 01:45.065 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you know, the way this this works with IR and and PUP and he's on PUP because he wasn't he never actually started practicing so that's where it gets a little confusing but the simple as way to explain it is you get this 21 day practice window. 01:45.806 --> 02:09.989 [SPEAKER_01]: And as soon as that starts then by the end of that 21 days, the team needs to make a decision on that player to either add them to the 53 man roster because right now, he's practicing without being on the 53 so is no a soul and so is from our turn or all three of those guys were on pop to start the season so they're technically not on the 53 man roster right now, but they are practicing so at the end of each one of those 21 day windows 02:11.232 --> 02:17.428 [SPEAKER_01]: The team has to make a decision and if they're not put on the 53 then they are out for the year so that 02:19.375 --> 02:29.417 [SPEAKER_01]: In, you know, usually probably 99% of the time, you don't put a guy, you don't start practicing a guy, unless you're sure that they're gonna return by the end of that window. 02:29.457 --> 02:40.740 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, there's some circumstances there, or a little, like when you have a lot of different guys trying to come back in the middle of the year, who are put on IR and you only have so many that you can actually activate because there's a limit to that. 02:40.920 --> 02:46.381 [SPEAKER_01]: So, sometimes later in the year, you will see a guy's window come and go without actually being activated, but it's pretty rare. 02:49.182 --> 02:56.603 [SPEAKER_01]: the only reason it's somewhat probably even a thought or conversation about that actual 21-day window is because how weird this whole thing has been. 02:57.263 --> 03:09.506 [SPEAKER_01]: And how the team has publicly commented on Kyler Gordon and how Kyler Gordon, all of a sudden they got done with training camp and now he's not with the team anymore and now there's Instagram videos from, for Dr. Moe. 03:09.526 --> 03:15.727 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's one of the weirder situations that I can remember when it comes to an injury involving a bear's 03:17.927 --> 03:23.628 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, it was a little surprising to even see him have that window opened up yesterday. 03:23.648 --> 03:26.149 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like caught most of us off guard. 03:26.769 --> 03:33.051 [SPEAKER_01]: And now it just becomes a, all right, well, I assume he's going to come back and play. 03:33.171 --> 03:42.693 [SPEAKER_01]: But the way this whole thing is gone, I think you've got to leave open all possibilities here, including that 21 day window coming and going without him actually being activated. 03:43.073 --> 03:43.213 [SPEAKER_01]: Now. 03:44.623 --> 03:46.664 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where him getting listed as full yesterday. 03:46.684 --> 03:51.847 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought was interesting because, again, we didn't know this was happening yesterday. 03:51.887 --> 03:55.990 [SPEAKER_01]: No one asked Ben about this yesterday because no one had any idea that the Kyler might become a back. 03:56.030 --> 03:59.512 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been sick about answering questions of Kyler Gordon. 03:59.912 --> 04:04.615 [SPEAKER_01]: So just the fact that he was listed in full, I think it was a good sign, a good indication. 04:04.855 --> 04:11.760 [SPEAKER_01]: A, he's there because they can't list them as a full participant, whether it's a real practice or not, unless he's actually there. 04:11.800 --> 04:13.581 [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, it wouldn't set, he didn't practice. 04:14.441 --> 04:16.282 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so it's an indication that he's there. 04:16.342 --> 04:25.508 [SPEAKER_01]: He's in the building and I would as then assume today when they actually do practice because yesterday was an estimation based on a walkthrough that he'll be out there today. 04:26.008 --> 04:27.949 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and and also listed as full. 04:28.309 --> 04:36.274 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not allowed to play this week because you have to miss four games when you start the year on pub, but starting next week in Green Bay, he could potentially return. 04:36.514 --> 04:40.597 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think there's need to be careful with him because the other part of this is he's got to stay healthy. 04:40.657 --> 04:42.618 [SPEAKER_01]: That's been the hardest problem for him. 04:43.304 --> 04:51.286 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it was interesting to out of me yesterday because usually that injury report comes out around like four clock and it came out a lot later yesterday. 04:51.326 --> 04:53.727 [SPEAKER_00]: So everyone was like something weird going on. 04:53.747 --> 04:57.868 [SPEAKER_00]: There was some jokes with like Caleb and I was like, Caleb's not going to be back all of a sudden. 04:57.888 --> 04:58.949 [SPEAKER_00]: So it is interesting. 04:58.969 --> 05:03.110 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think one thing to your point healthy Kyler does make this defense better. 05:03.150 --> 05:05.971 [SPEAKER_00]: That's something we've seen in the past even a short sample size last year. 05:05.991 --> 05:09.652 [SPEAKER_00]: I was looking and the five games he played including the two playoff games last year. 05:09.992 --> 05:13.996 [SPEAKER_00]: the defense allowed 20 points per game in those games in 33 when he wasn't on the field. 05:14.036 --> 05:16.578 [SPEAKER_00]: Not saying that was all Kyler, there's other factors into that. 05:16.858 --> 05:18.359 [SPEAKER_00]: But he definitely helps against the run. 05:18.539 --> 05:20.421 [SPEAKER_00]: They'll blitz them, they'll use them in so many ways. 05:20.461 --> 05:22.663 [SPEAKER_00]: He definitely makes the defense better when he's healthy out there. 05:23.244 --> 05:37.034 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and in terms of injury, a poor coming out later, that was just more of a logistical deal because they played on Monday, night, and the quick turnaround, that not only did they just have a walk through yesterday, but they also came in the building a lot later. 05:37.094 --> 05:40.857 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think they were able to sleep in and continue the recovery in the morning. 05:40.877 --> 05:44.940 [SPEAKER_01]: So everything in-house, all yesterday, was sort of shifted later into the day. 05:44.960 --> 05:47.462 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even think that walk through happen till late in the afternoon. 05:48.082 --> 06:10.168 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... evening so that's why that that uh... injury report did not come out until after the walk through but yet you know i was come back with kind of gordon to denies alms first ever press conference here in chicago when he took the dc job that was the one player that he highlighted the most and he was incredibly excited to use in his defensive scheme and 06:10.908 --> 06:25.009 [SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that that's never been realized to this point because of his lack of availability is always sort of as weird as a situation has been and I don't 06:26.731 --> 06:42.432 [SPEAKER_01]: when the GM is asked point blank if he thinks that that player is going to play for them this year and he says I don't know that's a pretty Damning answer, but in the back of my head, I still come back to what Dennis Allen has always said about Kyla Gordon and how much he 06:43.609 --> 06:52.433 [SPEAKER_01]: Clearly believes a healthy version of Kyla Gordon can help his defense and let's keep in mind that this is a team that believes that they can realistically win a Super Bowl this year inside that building. 06:53.053 --> 06:57.635 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're going to exhaust every possibility that they can to make the defense better. 06:58.075 --> 07:02.917 [SPEAKER_01]: And as weird as this whole thing has been and as much irritation as there might be with Kyla Gordon and his injury. 07:03.498 --> 07:12.742 [SPEAKER_01]: If there's a player sitting there that's available to help you who could potentially do that, I think they're going to give him the runway to at least have the opportunity to come back. 07:14.222 --> 07:21.565 [SPEAKER_01]: When this coaching staff over again because I do think that that has to happen and then also stay healthy, which is going to be the biggest part of this. 07:22.045 --> 07:22.826 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree. 07:22.866 --> 07:24.466 [SPEAKER_00]: And I want to switch over a little bit. 07:24.526 --> 07:27.848 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the other biggest question is case key number ties in Beijing. 07:27.868 --> 07:29.608 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what a lot of people are going to be talking about. 07:29.628 --> 07:32.370 [SPEAKER_00]: I know Ben was just kind of like, I don't know yet. 07:32.490 --> 07:34.630 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll see as this week goes on. 07:34.651 --> 07:35.451 [SPEAKER_00]: But what are your thoughts? 07:35.791 --> 07:38.552 [SPEAKER_00]: Just personally, who would you like to see out there on Sunday? 07:39.232 --> 07:40.333 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah. 07:42.980 --> 07:45.223 [SPEAKER_01]: first thing is, they know who's starting this week. 07:45.243 --> 07:58.739 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I don't, I don't, unless if Ben had come out and said, you know what, we're going to, we're going to actually leave this up to some of the competition this week to see how Tyson looks coming up the concussion and all that and then we'll make a decision on Friday. 07:59.620 --> 08:12.945 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that actually would have been an okay plan, but also, I think you saw last week the advantage to even a backup or third stringer in that case, knowing earlier in the week. 08:13.485 --> 08:20.607 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know that case, Keenum, new 100% because there were definitely some things up in the air with both Caleb Williams and Tyson Bayesian's concussion. 08:21.068 --> 08:27.090 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that they walked into that building on Wednesday and said, all right, this is how we're 08:28.310 --> 08:31.294 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, as of today, we're putting in first and second down. 08:31.334 --> 08:32.475 [SPEAKER_01]: We're doing the install. 08:32.495 --> 08:33.576 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going in the practice. 08:33.676 --> 08:34.737 [SPEAKER_01]: Kina, you know, Kina. 08:34.757 --> 08:37.360 [SPEAKER_01]: We're operating as if you are the starting quarterback. 08:38.221 --> 08:46.050 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that that is that always gives you the best chance to win on Sunday in my opinion when that when that guy can be in that mindset. 08:47.932 --> 08:58.863 [SPEAKER_01]: so I would be surprised if that wasn't the case if that wasn't communicated yesterday to the quarterback's who's who's going to be the starter but um in terms of who I want to see look 09:01.938 --> 09:06.061 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let me start with this, whoever they end up playing, I feel like they're going to be fine. 09:06.081 --> 09:11.704 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't have a strong opinion on like you got to do this or you got to do this in order to beat the jets. 09:12.285 --> 09:23.712 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like whoever they choose, we saw that on Monday night, Ben's going to have a plan and they're going to have a great chance to beat the New York jets on Sunday with whoever that is. 09:25.015 --> 09:31.481 [SPEAKER_01]: I, like a lot of bear's fans, I feel like, I mean, I want to see what Tyson Beijing can do. 09:31.782 --> 09:34.585 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a lot of curiosity out there. 09:34.825 --> 09:42.613 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen him play in three years in a regular season game, I mean, at least start a game and actually, you know, be the quarterback in three years. 09:43.593 --> 09:49.478 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I think that that's been, that was the disappointing part of last week. 09:49.498 --> 10:01.749 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, once everybody realized that Caleb Williams was okay and not out for the year, I think your mind sort of shifted to a little bit of excitement to be like, okay, well, silver lining here is we can say Tyson Bayesian can do after all this talk about him. 10:02.795 --> 10:07.138 [SPEAKER_01]: and then he comes up in the concussion protocol out of nowhere and it's like, oh man, like this is brutal. 10:07.178 --> 10:13.142 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think just personally, I would like to just see what that looks like. 10:13.463 --> 10:20.127 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was really cool to be able to see what case canem could do last week and have that tape out there and go through it and it was a fun tape to go through. 10:20.588 --> 10:27.713 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I think to be able to do that with Tyson Bayesian this week, you know, and he might just take advantage of these opportunities while Caleb Williams is out. 10:28.290 --> 10:37.915 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and obviously, I think like the gamesmanship side of it, the jets having to prepare for case and Tyson to different style quarterbacks, maybe playing a part a little bit in it. 10:38.315 --> 10:42.497 [SPEAKER_00]: How much out of last week do you think, because the bear struggled running the ball early. 10:42.537 --> 10:44.938 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was only like 27 yards they had in the first half. 10:44.958 --> 10:47.619 [SPEAKER_00]: And there was a lot of negative yardage in that or getting stuffed in that. 10:48.079 --> 10:54.742 [SPEAKER_00]: How much of the game plan do you think going in was like, hey, let's let case kingdom do some of these quick throws, just get the ball out fast. 10:54.762 --> 10:55.443 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm throw 34 times. 10:56.223 --> 11:00.404 [SPEAKER_00]: or how much of that do you think Ben pivoted a little bit because they couldn't get the run going early on? 11:00.964 --> 11:19.870 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, I mean, and that's where I actually do think there's a decent difference between these two quarterbacks, you know, stylistically probably not the biggest deal, but from experience standpoint, if I was Aaron Glenn, I would change my approach a little bit defensively based on who was playing. 11:20.290 --> 11:24.351 [SPEAKER_01]: because I think you saw in that Philly game, and I don't blame Vic Fangio at all. 11:24.371 --> 11:29.672 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I haven't been paying enough attention to Philly's media or I knew the fallout from that game. 11:29.712 --> 11:40.674 [SPEAKER_01]: I imagine it's not really fun in Philadelphia right now, but if I was doing their shows or if I was working over at pH, I wouldn't have necessarily been criticizing Vic Fangio's game plan. 11:40.694 --> 11:45.095 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it made a lot of sense to me, especially after what the Bears did to them last season. 11:46.235 --> 11:48.157 [SPEAKER_01]: they got a third string quarterback in there. 11:48.777 --> 11:55.222 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I can live and die based on whether or not case Keenham beats us, stop the run first, make sure they're not running all over us. 11:55.903 --> 12:07.372 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what they did and they made things hard for the bears and especially in the first half and to case Keenham's credit and Ben Johnson's credit too for what he called, but really cases execution too. 12:07.392 --> 12:07.873 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I can't 12:08.493 --> 12:19.949 [SPEAKER_01]: I keep, he deserves all the credit, not all the credit, but he's just a ton of credit for how he executed with some of those throws and how he got the ball out so quickly, it was really impressive. 12:20.029 --> 12:24.595 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, to kind of spin that forward to this week. 12:26.602 --> 12:44.372 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it makes it a lot harder from the jet perspective because if you go back to, all right, well, we can't like case do this, or if I have, if I'm thinking Tyson's out there, I'm probably going to try to confuse him with some coverages and try to disguise things because he doesn't have case kingdoms experience, but 12:45.152 --> 12:59.809 [SPEAKER_01]: either one of those kind of takes your attention away from the running game a little bit um... which so if i'm the bears i'm trying to come back this week strong in the running game uh... if they're going to be worried about who's playing quarterback a little bit more than the eagles were on monday night that's a long way of saying no that like 13:00.891 --> 13:01.592 [SPEAKER_01]: it's a good offense. 13:01.652 --> 13:02.732 [SPEAKER_01]: They have a lot of different options. 13:02.772 --> 13:03.333 [SPEAKER_01]: They're made. 13:03.413 --> 13:06.735 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really hard to now prepare for the Chicago Bears. 13:06.795 --> 13:12.659 [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that we can say that when Caleb Williams isn't even out there, because most weeks, that's the focus. 13:12.820 --> 13:14.341 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the guy you don't want to beat you. 13:15.021 --> 13:17.543 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really impressive and a testament to Ben Johnson. 13:18.090 --> 13:18.830 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely. 13:18.850 --> 13:22.012 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that the past cutures out, I'm not another interesting thing. 13:22.032 --> 13:26.614 [SPEAKER_00]: Cleveland so far, shocking a lot of people in the Bears World. 13:26.814 --> 13:33.857 [SPEAKER_00]: I for one kind of was like, man, Ben's very intentional and the things he does and the people and the, you know, when you talk about drafting. 13:34.477 --> 13:35.778 [SPEAKER_00]: Colston over Tyler one. 13:35.798 --> 13:41.440 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he's very intentional and all of the offensive moves that he's done since he's got here and I felt like Khalifa is that too. 13:41.460 --> 13:43.200 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a reason he brought him here. 13:43.240 --> 13:44.141 [SPEAKER_00]: He catches the ball. 13:44.161 --> 13:45.101 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't drop. 13:45.141 --> 13:46.181 [SPEAKER_00]: He works really hard. 13:46.242 --> 13:48.262 [SPEAKER_00]: He can get yards after contact if he needs to. 13:48.282 --> 13:52.884 [SPEAKER_00]: Not the fastest, but we saw a little bit of that this week that he can break away and get away a little bit. 13:52.904 --> 13:53.864 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a lot of good there. 13:54.164 --> 13:59.066 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you do expect Khalifa to be such a big part of this offense for the whole year? 13:59.086 --> 14:03.648 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think things are just kind of working themselves out and that's the way they've kind of went these first few weeks? 14:05.441 --> 14:22.473 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, I think he has a yes unless they start to really key in on him and and and say, you know what we got to stop this guy, which then should open up more more opportunities for for the other guys that right now have have been kind of quiet. 14:23.453 --> 14:25.994 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I agree with you. 14:26.014 --> 14:36.379 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a great way to frame it that Ben's been very intentional in the way in which he's brought certain players and certain, certain talents in here. 14:36.399 --> 14:41.462 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they tried this with the Lomitez, the Kia Slash here and he was a, he was a very solid player. 14:41.562 --> 14:43.943 [SPEAKER_01]: He, I think he did a lot of good things in training camp. 14:43.983 --> 14:51.687 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he helped a lot, but then once you got to the regular season, he wasn't quite as reliable as Cleve Raymond's been in, in, in, in, 14:53.062 --> 14:57.903 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he would get open when he would always make the catch and he didn't have quite the same wiggle. 14:59.383 --> 15:04.305 [SPEAKER_01]: And like, I think you're underselling cleaves speed a little bit too, just a little bit. 15:04.365 --> 15:14.207 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I mean, we talked to Xavier on Thomas a couple of weeks ago, who's obviously got a ton of speed and asked him, hey, who's fastest guy on the team and he gave it to cleaves for himself. 15:14.507 --> 15:21.349 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I think that he's still with the speed tracking that they do, he is at or near 15:23.809 --> 15:46.117 [SPEAKER_01]: along with Caden Davis actually so like the speeds there and I just it's to me the answer that question is really up to the defenses that play against the bears because right now I think he's just he's getting the opportunity because they're trying to keep on everybody else and it'll be interesting to see how they start to adjust to that because sometimes I think it's actually relevant to look at fantasy stats and Cliff Ravens starting to come 15:46.997 --> 15:48.558 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, people are picking up. 15:49.058 --> 15:52.980 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably a good flex option that's pretty reliable for 10 points every week right now. 15:53.020 --> 15:54.960 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he got me 24. 15:55.000 --> 16:00.103 [SPEAKER_00]: I think last week, but I think it's been fun because I do think we came into this. 16:00.143 --> 16:07.126 [SPEAKER_00]: We know the run kind of leads the way in Ben Johnson offense, but everybody was like Colston Colston Colston, maybe some Luther mixed in there. 16:07.146 --> 16:12.548 [SPEAKER_00]: And so to have somebody come in, we're now I do think that opposing teams are having to read just maybe like, 16:13.108 --> 16:21.074 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we thought they lost DJ and we didn't have to worry about that third-wide receiver and now you do and and I think that makes things fun You want room to catch. 16:21.114 --> 16:40.748 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's some frustration built up of with Roma doons They keep dropping the one and they end zone and some other things But I figure I think a lot of these things will shake out a little bit to your point This offense can be really dangerous with and a lot of different ways and we have it and I'll let us say that many times and our life Let's talk about the defense a little bit That's another thing that I think has been surprising some people so far 16:42.409 --> 16:46.955 [SPEAKER_00]: You see all over Twitter or all these things that they ranked and the top 10 in in different categories. 16:47.015 --> 16:49.038 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think it's really interesting that way. 16:49.058 --> 16:53.303 [SPEAKER_00]: I think a big part for me at them in this is Dennis Allen. 16:53.323 --> 16:59.691 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to six or seven of these pieces are new this year, whether compared to this week one last year starters. 16:59.751 --> 17:01.013 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think Dennis Allen. 17:01.333 --> 17:12.182 [SPEAKER_00]: has a lot of his guys here now, which he can he feels like he can more comfortably run the type of defenses he like, but Rookie's stepping in with a Mohammed and Thena men playing really well early, so chat a little bit about the defense. 17:12.222 --> 17:15.125 [SPEAKER_00]: What surprises you most about what they've done well to start. 17:17.086 --> 17:18.948 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, I think having 17:20.477 --> 17:22.879 [SPEAKER_01]: the speed and rallying to the football. 17:23.140 --> 17:32.628 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a combination of the, I think the mentality, the identity is really starting to take over here in the second season under Dennis Allen. 17:32.988 --> 17:35.610 [SPEAKER_01]: But you also have to have the physical ability to do that. 17:35.650 --> 17:43.357 [SPEAKER_01]: It's one thing to say, hey, we're gonna rally to the football, but it's another to actually have the speed on the defense to be able to get to the football consistently. 17:43.397 --> 17:46.240 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think, if you just look at that Eagles game, 17:48.171 --> 17:53.515 [SPEAKER_01]: For the second year in a row, I thought that was an example of wearing down a team with your physicality. 17:54.075 --> 17:57.198 [SPEAKER_01]: And they did that on offense, they did it on defense. 17:57.958 --> 18:14.651 [SPEAKER_01]: By the end of the game, look, there's two things that Dennis Allen, I even last year when things weren't always great, that I felt like I could look at pretty consistently week to week and feel like, hey, if you can get his guys in here and get a little bit more talent, they're gonna be just fine on that side of the ball. 18:17.994 --> 18:22.177 [SPEAKER_01]: his ability to adjust each week to the person that he had available. 18:22.317 --> 18:26.541 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean the amount of guys coming in and out on the in the secondary you know. 18:26.561 --> 18:27.062 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm backers. 18:27.820 --> 18:29.481 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was exactly. 18:29.501 --> 18:31.602 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there was one week where Rubin Hippelite started. 18:31.662 --> 18:35.964 [SPEAKER_01]: There was, you know, CJ Gardner Johnson coming in on short notice and playing right away. 18:36.344 --> 18:44.248 [SPEAKER_01]: Then he's out and then, you know, Kyler Gordon's out, Jalen Johnson's out, you just, you just didn't know every single week. 18:44.388 --> 18:48.010 [SPEAKER_01]: And so some weeks he would, he'd run out there and be like, all right, look, we're going to play a ton of time. 18:48.610 --> 19:14.369 [SPEAKER_01]: next week it was we're going to blitz the hell out of this team and he was a adjusting base to the personnel he had each and every week and they were doubly short handed so even in some of those games where they it didn't necessarily go great I still looking at the coaching and being like all right this is a guy that's that's trying to adjust and adapt each and every week to what he has he's not just you know eberflucing it out there with it this is what we do and this is how we're going to do a regardless of who's playing 19:15.462 --> 19:17.163 [SPEAKER_01]: But he also can adjust in-game. 19:17.684 --> 19:19.885 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the best coaches adjust in-game. 19:20.346 --> 19:22.447 [SPEAKER_01]: And we saw that, I mean, Monday, I was a perfect example of that. 19:22.527 --> 19:24.669 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of those numbers of Eagles put up in the first half. 19:24.889 --> 19:27.291 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm talking about success rates. 19:27.451 --> 19:34.276 [SPEAKER_01]: And the amount of yards they were gaining on first down was actually stunningly bad for the bear's defense. 19:34.377 --> 19:35.157 [SPEAKER_01]: And worry, some. 19:35.177 --> 19:36.258 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I actually had half time. 19:36.358 --> 19:42.243 [SPEAKER_01]: I was pretty worried at half time with the way the Eagles had kind of flipped the script, gotten in the end zone, they were getting the ball. 19:42.883 --> 19:43.663 [SPEAKER_01]: coming out of half. 19:44.243 --> 19:48.664 [SPEAKER_01]: But Dennis Allen got in there at half time, made some key adjustments. 19:49.964 --> 19:53.845 [SPEAKER_01]: Most notably was just doing a better job of getting those guys to set the edge on the outside. 19:55.286 --> 19:59.386 [SPEAKER_01]: And it completely flipped the game and the bear's defense was great the rest of the way. 19:59.446 --> 20:02.987 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think you're starting to slowly see the talent come around. 20:03.207 --> 20:06.048 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're starting to see the guys fit his defense a little bit. 20:06.808 --> 20:09.939 [SPEAKER_01]: Do I think they're going to hold these teams to a touchdown or less every single week? 20:10.039 --> 20:11.826 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I do not because I still don't. 20:11.886 --> 20:12.729 [SPEAKER_01]: Next, I think I don't. 20:14.048 --> 20:18.191 [SPEAKER_01]: necessarily think they have that type of talent across the board. 20:18.812 --> 20:25.317 [SPEAKER_01]: What I will say is when you see young players like Dylan Thineman and Mleek Maham it starts to come on the way they are, they should only get better. 20:25.537 --> 20:30.561 [SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be rookie moments of course, but they should only ascend as the season goes along. 20:31.662 --> 20:38.947 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you can't get Kyla Gordon back in a healthy and involved, that's the type of all the sudden sort of midseason acquisition 20:42.965 --> 20:44.766 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, unfortunately won't be Joey, Joey Porter. 20:44.806 --> 20:46.227 [SPEAKER_00]: He just got straight into the cowboys. 20:46.287 --> 20:47.648 [SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of bears fans want to have him. 20:47.748 --> 20:51.810 [SPEAKER_00]: But a couple questions for you Adam just looking towards this weekend and then I'll let you go. 20:52.370 --> 20:57.533 [SPEAKER_00]: Philly specifically, no breeze hall, no 80 Mitchell, no Mason Taylor, it looks like breeze hall. 20:57.613 --> 20:58.553 [SPEAKER_00]: I think is a big one. 20:59.094 --> 21:01.695 [SPEAKER_00]: I do think it makes this team the giant, I mean, excited. 21:01.835 --> 21:13.179 [SPEAKER_00]: Jets a little bit more one dimensional without that running back, but what are your thoughts on that when it comes to defensively the game plan does that ship things a lot for you for what Dennis Island may do or do you think they'll kind of go on with the same game plan. 21:14.539 --> 21:26.043 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question, you know, anytime you lose a good player in a focal point of your offense, I definitely make things easier for the opposing defense, but at the same time, you know. 21:28.855 --> 21:33.256 [SPEAKER_01]: Gino Smith is it's completing a high percentage of his passes right now. 21:33.476 --> 21:35.197 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not really turning the ball over. 21:35.317 --> 21:39.698 [SPEAKER_01]: He is actually led the NFL and interceptions over the last five years, but I think to this point. 21:40.999 --> 21:43.080 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't quote me as I don't think he's starting to interception. 21:43.140 --> 21:43.860 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not. 21:44.020 --> 21:46.881 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's for touch for passing and no picks. 21:46.901 --> 21:47.461 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure. 21:48.005 --> 22:04.681 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, so so far he's done a really good job of taking care of the football for guy who's been prone to not doing so and so you know sometimes I don't want to overthink this and for me if I'm the bears I'm kind of looking at that like this guy's do and and the bears have. 22:06.378 --> 22:10.660 [SPEAKER_01]: And two of the three games or two wins, not surprisingly managed to take the ball away. 22:10.720 --> 22:14.122 [SPEAKER_01]: So we know Al heres wants to get those two takeaways every single game. 22:14.202 --> 22:14.823 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the goal. 22:15.863 --> 22:18.205 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I would be looking for. 22:18.965 --> 22:20.466 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of a cop-out answer. 22:20.506 --> 22:22.707 [SPEAKER_01]: I get it because yeah, go to the takeover. 22:22.867 --> 22:24.888 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, take away, so it turned over during the game. 22:24.908 --> 22:25.749 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you do. 22:25.889 --> 22:32.791 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think especially when you play on the team like the Jets, you know, I've used the word frisky to describe the Jets so far this season. 22:33.291 --> 22:34.411 [SPEAKER_01]: They're definitely playing better. 22:35.892 --> 22:43.494 [SPEAKER_01]: They, but I mean, you just line up the rosters, you line up the depth charts and like the bear should be the better football team. 22:43.514 --> 22:44.314 [SPEAKER_01]: They're at home. 22:44.814 --> 22:48.595 [SPEAKER_01]: This is street straight NFC North games for the Jets going up against this division. 22:49.155 --> 22:53.560 [SPEAKER_01]: but they played the lines pretty tough last week. 22:53.820 --> 23:02.809 [SPEAKER_02]: I just think the bears can probably do a little bit better of a job than the lines they last week of creating some takeaways against genosmith and especially with them being short handed. 23:03.089 --> 23:04.350 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, these tight ends are good though. 23:04.370 --> 23:09.175 [SPEAKER_01]: And they'll use the tight, they'll use all, if Mason Taylor was healthy, they'll use all four tight ends right now. 23:09.195 --> 23:12.619 [SPEAKER_01]: They got basically three to use, Canyon City, the rookies off to a great start. 23:13.359 --> 23:18.580 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and Rucker is a guy that you got to count for because he'll throw to him like the bear sort of to cool. 23:18.600 --> 23:24.122 [SPEAKER_01]: Come at, you know, just kind of forget about him for a second and all of a sudden he's running for a hard game. 23:24.162 --> 23:38.445 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, there's there's plenty other opportunities here and and if Gino's going to continue to throw the ball with the accuracy and the completion percentage and he has that it's it's not necessarily going to be easy to the jets have a win and two close losses. 23:39.245 --> 23:50.917 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... one of which is should have been a win against the packers went to over types of so far they've been in every game that they played and i would imagine that this could be a single digit game as well just based on what the jets have put out there so far 23:51.726 --> 23:54.869 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you could say Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn know each other pretty well. 23:54.889 --> 24:03.456 [SPEAKER_00]: There's definitely some familiarity between those two final one because I think the other stat that everybody talked about towards the end of last year for the jets has continued. 24:03.476 --> 24:07.840 [SPEAKER_00]: The last time they got an interception was January 15th of 2025. 24:08.200 --> 24:19.330 [SPEAKER_00]: So they are probably maybe being there every week have to be at that point out of where they're like, all right, we're doing one eventually and so that has to be in their minds a little bit right now heading into this game, especially with back of quarterbacks. 24:20.878 --> 24:25.325 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you would think it's one of the more stunning statistics that's out there. 24:25.465 --> 24:27.588 [SPEAKER_01]: I, you, that's how you do. 24:28.029 --> 24:29.631 [SPEAKER_01]: We, we all watch football, right? 24:29.671 --> 24:36.060 [SPEAKER_01]: And how many times do we see like a ball just, you know, bounce a certain way that, I mean, that's why we talk about turnover luck. 24:36.080 --> 24:37.082 [SPEAKER_01]: I know a lot of that. 24:37.382 --> 25:00.625 [SPEAKER_01]: turn over luck is more to do with fumbles than than interceptions but still we see balls bad at up in the air and I mean heck some of these big guys that end up catching the football for interceptions along the defensive line you would have thought at least one of those would have happened at some point so but I I'm also a big believer in as much as we talk about turn 25:02.951 --> 25:20.598 [SPEAKER_01]: I do not think it's an accident that Al Harris has had the leader in interceptions in what three of the last five seasons I think going back to Dallas certain coaches are better at putting their players in positions to pick off the football. 25:21.019 --> 25:28.822 [SPEAKER_01]: And Adam Jones wrote a great story last year for us at unalceachio.com about specifically some of the angles. 25:30.082 --> 25:35.263 [SPEAKER_01]: that Alherse teaches to the defensive backs, to be able to be in those positions. 25:35.303 --> 25:47.006 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, the player still needs to go out there and catch the football, but I do think coaching, it's not just preaching takeaways, but also putting these guys in position, to go get the takeaways. 25:47.546 --> 25:58.609 [SPEAKER_01]: You saw it even with the force fumble, with Austin Poker rallying to the football on Monday night, like that's definitely a part of it too, but clearly something that they're doing in New York right now, 25:59.769 --> 26:06.673 [SPEAKER_01]: is not working for us for it to get to this point that many games without an interception. 26:06.893 --> 26:08.794 [SPEAKER_01]: There's something that they're lacking there. 26:09.254 --> 26:23.961 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just talent, it's not just bad luck and it's kind of stunning because Aaron Glenn has had a ton of interceptions in his career, so you know, but it's one of the weirder anomalies in the NFL right now. 26:24.397 --> 26:26.218 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, talk about those takeaways we had. 26:26.478 --> 26:31.941 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought the whole storyline of TJ Edwards, like listening in on the huddle, and then he's like, I know I do what they were saying. 26:32.022 --> 26:33.062 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm just laughing. 26:33.342 --> 26:35.944 [SPEAKER_00]: It just shows like it's funny how much language can change. 26:35.984 --> 26:41.007 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think some of these guys are like, let me get a word or two and I can figure this out, but he still got the pick, so that was fun to watch. 26:41.883 --> 26:47.266 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think that that was more of him just like kind of screwing around his former team. 26:47.826 --> 26:49.427 [SPEAKER_01]: I also think he's right and what he said. 26:49.527 --> 26:53.689 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the camera angle made it look worse than it really was. 26:54.609 --> 27:05.015 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably had more to do with the fact that he dropped the interception earlier in the game in a similar type of play where he was at the line of scrimmage drop back in the coverage and should have had that one too. 27:05.055 --> 27:06.816 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think he probably had more to do with him. 27:07.656 --> 27:13.921 [SPEAKER_01]: learning from that moment, seeing whatever he saw on that play, dropping back in the this time, making sure that he secured the football. 27:14.961 --> 27:16.583 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, Adam, well, I appreciate your time. 27:16.603 --> 27:18.164 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see how this weekend goes. 27:18.184 --> 27:26.710 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully, we're talking about another win, whether it's with Tyson or case, but it seems like this offense can keep rolling so if the defense can continue to do what they're doing, I think we can have a fun season ahead of us. 27:27.451 --> 27:27.851 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. 27:27.891 --> 27:29.392 [SPEAKER_01]: Taylor, always a good talking football with you. 27:29.740 --> 27:30.480 [SPEAKER_00]: new to have a good one. 27:30.500 --> 27:34.641 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's continue on and chat the jet side of the ball. 27:34.661 --> 27:35.962 [SPEAKER_00]: We just broke down the bear side. 27:36.282 --> 27:38.762 [SPEAKER_00]: And now it's time to talk some New York Jets football. 27:38.822 --> 27:40.003 [SPEAKER_00]: Dan Grossa joining me now. 27:40.043 --> 27:43.084 [SPEAKER_00]: He does the pre and post game show for the New York Jets. 27:43.224 --> 27:45.944 [SPEAKER_00]: And so Dan, thanks for hopping on and chatting some football with me. 27:46.905 --> 27:48.225 [SPEAKER_02]: No problem, Taylor, hostings going. 27:48.968 --> 27:53.230 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going good, you know, it's been a little bit of a wild cookie football season. 27:53.250 --> 28:04.636 [SPEAKER_00]: I think overall in the NFL, but the bears to their back of quarterback, and that's been an interesting storyline, obviously, with case Keaton, I'm coming in playing Monday night football, not expecting that, but how are you guys feeling over there? 28:04.656 --> 28:07.318 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's start with that, the overall vibes of the Jets right now. 28:08.665 --> 28:14.833 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I might be in the minority a little bit, but I think even though the record says one in two, I think the vibes are good. 28:15.034 --> 28:26.209 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's still very early on in the season and look, it's no secret that the jets had a rough 25 when they went 3 and 14 and they were clearly, you know, one of the more disappointing teams and got FL, but 28:26.609 --> 28:31.570 [SPEAKER_02]: just in terms of the talent level alone that you have on the field with this team is opposed to the one last year. 28:31.790 --> 28:32.650 [SPEAKER_02]: It's night and day. 28:32.730 --> 28:38.072 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've said it many times that if this team played last year's team, they beat them by three touchdowns and maybe more. 28:38.452 --> 28:43.393 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's really a quantum leap from the product they were putting out on the field last year. 28:43.493 --> 28:49.795 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the Windsor certainly going to come and I expect a much, much tighter operation. 28:49.835 --> 28:51.755 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's put it that way moving forward with this team. 28:52.624 --> 28:59.967 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there has to be some at least optimism in that sense because you're playing good football to your point, maybe that one in two record isn't what people want. 29:00.247 --> 29:06.649 [SPEAKER_00]: But you're playing good football against opponents like the Lions who, or people were talking about in the Super Bowl not long ago, or the Packers. 29:07.030 --> 29:10.811 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think there's that, but also you guys have gone some halls and a lot of picks coming up. 29:10.891 --> 29:17.994 [SPEAKER_00]: So any of the holes you may see, you feel like you almost could instantaneously fill those in the offseason, which I think gives them hope there, too. 29:19.434 --> 29:19.934 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely. 29:19.954 --> 29:30.537 [SPEAKER_02]: And like, you know, a lot of people like the big theme around town this week with the jets after the losses lead to the Lions was like, there's a lot of people saying that they were, you know, dumb with the moral victories, no more close but no cigar. 29:30.577 --> 29:32.137 [SPEAKER_02]: They want to actually start seeing wins. 29:32.197 --> 29:41.759 [SPEAKER_02]: And I push back on that a little bit because it's not like they've lost the last couple of weeks to the dolphins or the Tennessee Titans, you know, like some just got awful football team. 29:41.799 --> 29:45.120 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, you lost a lion's team in their building that is one of them, 29:49.341 --> 29:50.161 [SPEAKER_02]: go. 29:50.261 --> 29:55.323 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you'll lose a game at Green or at home to Green Bay last week, which probably they should have put in the win column. 29:55.703 --> 29:57.104 [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't owe well. 29:57.264 --> 29:57.924 [SPEAKER_02]: It happens. 29:58.064 --> 30:08.668 [SPEAKER_02]: But I still think overall this team has headed the right direction, you know, the young talent, which they brought into this program, Guy like Kenyan Sadik really had a breakout game last week, one of their first round picks. 30:09.068 --> 30:14.250 [SPEAKER_02]: Gino Smith has turned back the clock and really brought Taylor stability to the quarterback position. 30:14.390 --> 30:15.070 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean, 30:15.330 --> 30:15.930 [SPEAKER_02]: It's no secret. 30:15.950 --> 30:26.873 [SPEAKER_02]: The jets have not gotten high caliber quarterback play in forever, and he got a guy who's complete in 75% of his passes pushing the ball down the field, allowing his playmakers to go out there and make plays. 30:27.193 --> 30:29.333 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're not even whole on that side of the ball. 30:29.373 --> 30:35.775 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, guys like Reeves Hall, Mason Taylor, Adni Mitchell, Omar Cooper, Jr., another of their first round picks. 30:36.075 --> 30:39.176 [SPEAKER_02]: Those guys are banged up right now, and may not even be available to play this week. 30:39.216 --> 30:44.097 [SPEAKER_02]: So, all things considered, they've done a lot of good, especially on the offensive side of the ball. 30:44.877 --> 30:57.408 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that Jino Smith conversation to me is interesting because we saw a world where, I mean, Jino Smith returns to the jets the first time they are probably wasn't some of his fondest memories and then he goes on and gets revived a little bit. 30:57.468 --> 31:01.912 [SPEAKER_00]: But part of that storyline last year was he let the league and interceptions was 17. 31:01.952 --> 31:06.055 [SPEAKER_00]: So far this season he has not turned the ball over in that sense of in throwing picks. 31:06.095 --> 31:09.999 [SPEAKER_00]: So what have you seen there just a comfort ability in the offense and reading things well? 31:10.019 --> 31:12.281 [SPEAKER_00]: What are you seeing when it comes to Jino and Jino and Jino on that area? 31:13.517 --> 31:14.717 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's a little bit of both. 31:14.757 --> 31:21.419 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I don't know if I necessarily expected this level of production from him, but I pushed back on a lot of the stuff I was here and over the summer. 31:21.439 --> 31:30.042 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I remember I did one show in particular, and they asked me about Gino Smith, and they said, well, he helped deliver the Raiders, the number one overall pick in the draft last year. 31:30.062 --> 31:33.243 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that why it's brought him in to help give them the number one pick? 31:33.263 --> 31:37.724 [SPEAKER_02]: I said, wait, wait a second, a little bit, because if you really did a deep dive into that 31:42.085 --> 31:47.467 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it really and truly was, Pete Carroll clearly showed you that he wasn't still equipped to be a head coach in the NFL. 31:47.487 --> 31:48.407 [SPEAKER_02]: That was fairly evident. 31:48.747 --> 31:51.268 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the offensive line was a complete and utter mess. 31:51.649 --> 31:55.810 [SPEAKER_02]: His best weapon was Brock Bowers, who was injured for part of the season last year. 31:55.830 --> 32:00.872 [SPEAKER_02]: They drafted Ashton Gentie in the first round the running back, and then for weeks which forget that he even still on the team. 32:01.292 --> 32:03.152 [SPEAKER_02]: It was horribly coached that club. 32:03.212 --> 32:04.993 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Chip Kelly was the offensive coordinator. 32:05.013 --> 32:06.313 [SPEAKER_02]: They fired him mid-season. 32:06.653 --> 32:13.875 [SPEAKER_02]: Pete Carroll had two of his sons on the staff, and they were directly related to some of their deficiencies in the particular areas that they were in charge in. 32:14.335 --> 32:20.696 [SPEAKER_02]: Overall, I think Gino got way, way, way more of the blame with that greater sinking ship from last year. 32:21.356 --> 32:24.417 [SPEAKER_02]: He's viewing this season as a fresh start, and he's playing like it. 32:24.477 --> 32:28.378 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that the jets are completely satisfied with the production they've got for him so far. 32:29.400 --> 32:36.223 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Dan, if any team can understand the how coaching can affect certain outcomes and development, it's Chicago Bears fans. 32:36.243 --> 32:42.426 [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen it here for a lot of years in the difference Ben Johnson made very quickly with Caleb Williams and the offense in general. 32:42.466 --> 32:43.807 [SPEAKER_00]: But let's talk about that that run game. 32:43.827 --> 32:55.472 [SPEAKER_00]: You just mentioned Bree's Hall, one of the best facts in the NFL, unfortunately is being up looks like he may not play this week and how confident are you in that running background with the Braille and Allen and some of those guys behind him if he can't play. 32:57.207 --> 32:58.508 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's been a mixed back so far. 32:58.528 --> 33:01.251 [SPEAKER_02]: The first week against Tennessee, they gashed them on the ground. 33:01.271 --> 33:02.672 [SPEAKER_02]: And they were really, really successful. 33:02.692 --> 33:05.574 [SPEAKER_02]: And you thought that that was going to be a big part of this offense. 33:05.594 --> 33:09.478 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the offensive line returning four or five starters from last year. 33:09.578 --> 33:19.426 [SPEAKER_02]: He got two number one draft choices as your book end tackles with fashion and with member when you mentioned Breeze Hall and Bralan Allen coming back from an injury, you know, being that complimentary back to Breeze. 33:19.466 --> 33:19.687 [SPEAKER_02]: So, 33:20.227 --> 33:23.808 [SPEAKER_02]: Last two weeks against Green Bay and Detroit, the Jets have not run the football well at all. 33:23.908 --> 33:30.650 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, if you go and see what opposing defenses have done against them, they've done a lot of run blitzing, knowing that the run game was going to be coming. 33:30.670 --> 33:34.011 [SPEAKER_02]: And the Jets have had a hard time kind of countering that to be quite honest with you. 33:34.491 --> 33:39.433 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, Breeze Hall's probably not going to be playing this week, which means the bulk of the workload is going to go to Bralan Allen. 33:39.613 --> 33:42.434 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, Isaiah Davis is also a third year back who has that 33:42.954 --> 33:47.497 [SPEAKER_02]: run catch capability as well, but he hasn't factored much into the offense so far. 33:47.958 --> 33:57.985 [SPEAKER_02]: First three weeks in now he was slowed by an injury in training camp, so maybe that's one of the reasons why, but Brown and Allen's not going to be the only running back in that backfield all afternoon on Sunday. 33:58.045 --> 34:01.708 [SPEAKER_02]: So you're probably going to have to see Isaiah Davis getting a little bit of work, too. 34:01.768 --> 34:07.292 [SPEAKER_02]: So I would rely on them and despite the fact that Gino Smith and the passing game have done a nice job this year, it would 34:07.572 --> 34:17.045 [SPEAKER_02]: really really open more up for them especially in the play action game if they can get this running game dialed up a little bit here because last two weeks have not been really good at all. 34:17.903 --> 34:25.308 [SPEAKER_00]: When you talk about the past catchers over all, Fred Gregg, not somebody shy to use multiple tight ends, multi tight ends sets. 34:25.408 --> 34:27.309 [SPEAKER_00]: And so Mason Taylor, that's another name. 34:27.329 --> 34:30.231 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be kind of paying attention to this week. 34:30.271 --> 34:37.216 [SPEAKER_00]: How healthy I see if he goes, but that tight end room in general, talk about that and how he mixes that in with also still using Garrett Wilson. 34:37.236 --> 34:39.077 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know an 80 Mitchell who's also being dubbed. 34:39.097 --> 34:42.740 [SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of question marks there, but in general, his offense and how he uses those past catchers. 34:43.965 --> 34:46.407 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, everybody that I talked to on the team, they love it. 34:46.447 --> 34:47.448 [SPEAKER_02]: They love Frank Reich. 34:47.508 --> 34:51.672 [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, he comes with that experience, playing in the league is a quarterback for a very long time. 34:51.752 --> 34:54.855 [SPEAKER_02]: And his time is a head coach and assistant coach. 34:54.875 --> 34:56.337 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's well well respected. 34:56.677 --> 34:57.758 [SPEAKER_02]: You mentioned the tight ends. 34:57.778 --> 34:59.280 [SPEAKER_02]: They have four tight ends on this team. 34:59.420 --> 35:06.527 [SPEAKER_02]: They all use throwing the full back, technically Andrew Beck, who they kind of have adopted to their tight end room as a matter of fact. 35:06.567 --> 35:06.707 [SPEAKER_02]: But 35:07.067 --> 35:08.208 [SPEAKER_02]: You mentioned Mason Taylor. 35:09.249 --> 35:10.730 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not going to probably go this week. 35:10.750 --> 35:12.051 [SPEAKER_02]: He's dealing with a thumb injury. 35:12.091 --> 35:13.011 [SPEAKER_02]: He's weak to weak. 35:13.051 --> 35:15.453 [SPEAKER_02]: But as I mentioned, Kenyan Sadeek is still here. 35:15.733 --> 35:16.934 [SPEAKER_02]: First round pick this season. 35:16.974 --> 35:18.415 [SPEAKER_02]: He had a breakout game last year. 35:18.455 --> 35:21.577 [SPEAKER_02]: You see the freakish athletic ability that he can bring to the room. 35:21.957 --> 35:26.601 [SPEAKER_02]: Jalani Woods is a guy who's also kind of factored into this rotation as well. 35:26.981 --> 35:31.204 [SPEAKER_02]: A guy who battled injuries, a couple of years he was with Frank Rike and Indianapolis. 35:31.264 --> 35:34.226 [SPEAKER_02]: And now he's healthy and being called upon to 35:35.867 --> 35:51.421 [SPEAKER_02]: in that passing game Jeremy Rucker, you know, who's in is I think fourth or fifth year now had probably the best game in his NFL career as far as his involvement in the passing game last week, caught five passes second NFL touchdown catch in that game as well. 35:51.861 --> 35:52.862 [SPEAKER_02]: Though they're not a 35:57.546 --> 35:58.187 [SPEAKER_02]: standpoint. 35:58.347 --> 36:08.778 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that that really has been a big weapon for this offense, trying to help compensate for the injuries that they have at the White Sever position, because Adney Mitchell, still not good. 36:13.430 --> 36:17.774 [SPEAKER_02]: four ride receivers on your depth chart that are going to be unavailable on Sunday. 36:17.854 --> 36:20.396 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's Garrett Wilson getting a lot of targets. 36:20.576 --> 36:25.020 [SPEAKER_02]: It's Isaiah Williams who entered camp probably as your fourth wide out. 36:25.320 --> 36:28.082 [SPEAKER_02]: Now having to start alongside Garrett on the outside. 36:28.102 --> 36:29.583 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Sterling Shepherd, the veteran. 36:29.944 --> 36:32.866 [SPEAKER_02]: He was signed to the practice squad a couple of years a couple of weeks ago. 36:33.287 --> 36:36.749 [SPEAKER_02]: He got called up to the active roster last week, saw his first action as a jet. 36:37.090 --> 36:38.991 [SPEAKER_02]: He essentially is your third wide out right now. 36:39.011 --> 36:40.753 [SPEAKER_02]: We have to only be in here for a couple of weeks. 36:41.952 --> 36:57.929 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's going to be a little bit of a mix up to those parts you're having guys that maybe you weren't expecting to have to play this much or this early, but then at the same time, we don't have a lot of film on those guys to watch to see how the offense looks with some of those others that maybe haven't let's switch over to the defensive side of the ball a little bit the jet. 36:58.870 --> 37:01.434 [SPEAKER_00]: not allowing a ton of yards in the air whatsoever. 37:01.494 --> 37:04.158 [SPEAKER_00]: Third few is in the NFL through the first few weeks. 37:04.178 --> 37:05.119 [SPEAKER_00]: So chat a little bit about that. 37:05.140 --> 37:06.802 [SPEAKER_00]: What's going right in the secondary? 37:06.822 --> 37:07.783 [SPEAKER_00]: Still no interceptions. 37:07.803 --> 37:14.153 [SPEAKER_00]: Been a long time since they've been able to get the ball, but they're not allowing a ton of yards there and not a ton of touchdowns, so that's good so far. 37:15.435 --> 37:27.325 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the interception drought is at 20 and still counting, unfortunately, you know, it's been a long time between drinks to say the least here, but they are doing a decent enough job of creating takeaways. 37:27.365 --> 37:32.009 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they're putting themselves and, you know, golden opportunity to get more haven't converted. 37:32.029 --> 37:36.233 [SPEAKER_02]: The Packer game, for example, they force five fumbles, but only recovered one of them. 37:36.593 --> 37:43.095 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, those are game-changing type plays if you recover and can steal a possession, you know, and help out your offense mindily. 37:43.135 --> 37:45.155 [SPEAKER_02]: But they're banged up a little bit in the secondary. 37:45.175 --> 37:53.077 [SPEAKER_02]: The good news is, is that Mink of Fitzpatrick, who we know has done a lot of good things in this league, and he's in his first year, trying to bring some stability of that secondary. 37:53.137 --> 37:56.018 [SPEAKER_02]: He got hurt in week one against Teddy, but it pears as if. 37:56.478 --> 38:00.839 [SPEAKER_02]: He should be back in line up this week after coming back from a little bit of a groin injury. 38:00.880 --> 38:08.702 [SPEAKER_02]: So, having Fitzpatrick back there is key, you know, DeAngelo Ponds is a corner that they drifted out of Indiana early in the second round. 38:08.962 --> 38:12.123 [SPEAKER_02]: He's only played two defensive snaps for them this year. 38:12.203 --> 38:14.344 [SPEAKER_02]: Really, you know, he's missed time with injury. 38:14.364 --> 38:16.465 [SPEAKER_02]: They're trying to get him up to speed with the playbook. 38:16.485 --> 38:19.846 [SPEAKER_02]: So, maybe a bigger role for him as far as Sunday as concerned. 38:20.106 --> 38:31.675 [SPEAKER_02]: Somebody that you guys know, well, Nishon Wright, who had five interceptions last year for the Chicago Bears, Jets signed him for, you know, like an under the radar type signing, but he has not really had much of a roll at all in this defense. 38:31.795 --> 38:36.999 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he didn't play any defensive snaps the first two weeks was a healthy scratch last week and week number three. 38:37.039 --> 38:39.141 [SPEAKER_02]: So who knows where he stands right now? 38:39.461 --> 38:44.125 [SPEAKER_02]: The one area I could probably tell you that they could probably use a little bit of an improvement in, 38:44.825 --> 38:51.491 [SPEAKER_02]: is they need to do a better job of getting home in terms of their past rush without having to dial up the blitz. 38:51.551 --> 38:58.196 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the one thing I would say is a little bit lacking now is generate more pressure without having to send extra rushers. 38:58.216 --> 38:59.277 [SPEAKER_02]: That'll do them some favors. 39:00.310 --> 39:05.294 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we understand it's been a bit conversation for Chicago to when it comes to being able to get to the quarterback in general. 39:05.334 --> 39:17.944 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about that a little bit just the the jet's perspective of what to expect this weekend don't know is it Tyson Bayesian as a case kingdom Ben Johnson has not said that yet obviously case kingdom going out Monday night and looking. 39:18.544 --> 39:20.406 [SPEAKER_00]: good against the Eagles defense. 39:20.447 --> 39:26.574 [SPEAKER_00]: Tyson Bayesian though is QB2 and Ben Johnson has been very adamant about that throughout camp even into the season. 39:26.594 --> 39:27.716 [SPEAKER_00]: He's very high on pageant. 39:28.056 --> 39:30.439 [SPEAKER_00]: So our expectation is it will be Tyson Bayesian. 39:30.459 --> 39:31.841 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what Ben Johnson decides. 39:31.881 --> 39:33.784 [SPEAKER_00]: But how much is the conversation there? 39:34.224 --> 39:51.462 [SPEAKER_00]: In New York right now, we're light around the run game, though, and stopping D. Andre Swift and Kalmanunga, who had just shy of 300 yards week one, both of them on pace right now to hit 100,000 yards receiving, I mean, running season, so rushing seasons, what are the thoughts around that when it comes to those two guys and stopping the run? 39:52.639 --> 39:56.000 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, personally, I have a little bit of bias for common unguide because I'm a Rutgers guy. 39:56.040 --> 40:02.403 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, I certainly watched his whole football career and, you know, he was an absolute stud when he was playing for the Scar the night. 40:02.423 --> 40:03.603 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I always root for him. 40:03.623 --> 40:15.068 [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to have to stop the run game because if they shut the run game down and you're going to be starting a quarterback that's playing with relative inexperience, whether it's Beijing or even a guy like Kase Keenam, it's going to put more on their shoulders, right? 40:15.148 --> 40:20.010 [SPEAKER_02]: So, if they can stop that ground game, that's going to do a world of favors for their defense 40:20.650 --> 40:45.016 [SPEAKER_02]: Quite frankly, you know, like you said Taylor, the conversation is kind of leaning towards Beijing being in the guy, we're kind of a little bit surprised here to be honest with you because, you know, Kingdom performed so well on Monday night and that whole locker room, you know, has his back and you saw the reaction and you didn't know if it would maybe ruffle some feathers in that room with him turning the reins over to Tyson, Beijing, but I guess they like Beijing, too. 40:50.657 --> 40:53.019 [SPEAKER_02]: when case kingdom took over there for Caleb Williams. 40:53.039 --> 40:54.781 [SPEAKER_02]: They would be walking into a little bit of a trap. 40:55.381 --> 41:04.689 [SPEAKER_02]: And the Eagles not only walked right into the trap, they decided to take up shop and to have some dinner and spend the whole night there, and their play was indicative of that. 41:04.709 --> 41:08.693 [SPEAKER_02]: Not to take anything away from case kingdom, but they fell into the trap the other night. 41:08.753 --> 41:17.601 [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe regardless of who the QB is, the Jets antennas are going to be a little bit higher on alert now because of what happened to Philadelphia on Monday night. 41:18.263 --> 41:20.223 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got a little bit of a feeling they focused. 41:20.303 --> 41:23.264 [SPEAKER_00]: Fig Vangio came in and had this mindset of just stop the run. 41:23.424 --> 41:29.485 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's going to be able to win you this football game because the bears only have 27 rushing yards in the first half. 41:29.525 --> 41:31.045 [SPEAKER_00]: But then had 93 in the second half. 41:31.065 --> 41:33.786 [SPEAKER_00]: So once you started wearing down the defense a little bit, that showed. 41:33.806 --> 41:34.666 [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll be interesting. 41:34.686 --> 41:43.708 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think some bear spans are also surprised to your point down of the trending towards pageant just because sometimes people want to go with that hot hand and coming off a game. 41:44.148 --> 41:58.461 [SPEAKER_00]: like Monday, people are like, why wouldn't you want to continue what he lived comfortable, he was getting the pet, you know, his passes out quick, he was had connections with a several different receivers during this game, including a clef Raymond, who's had a really good start in his first three weeks. 41:58.502 --> 42:06.649 [SPEAKER_00]: And the guys like a Colson, Lovelin, and Aroma Dunze, who people probably thought were going to have those games has been more a clef and Luther, does that surprise you guys at all? 42:06.689 --> 42:09.652 [SPEAKER_00]: What's your mindset going into that when it comes to the past catchers for Chicago? 42:10.292 --> 42:13.953 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, like the guy like Roman Dunes, he knows the first round pick, he's got abilities. 42:13.973 --> 42:19.035 [SPEAKER_02]: So you always have to at least kind of keep an extra eye on guys like that that they have game-breaking ability. 42:19.255 --> 42:19.855 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying? 42:19.875 --> 42:21.216 [SPEAKER_02]: So you can't take any for granted. 42:21.236 --> 42:30.219 [SPEAKER_02]: And especially the way that this secondary is played for the better part of this season, aside, I mean, last week's game, for example, against Detroit. 42:30.559 --> 42:34.821 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, in the passing game, I'm on Ross St. Brown, you know that he's one of the top wide receivers in the NFL, 42:35.141 --> 42:36.042 [SPEAKER_02]: They kept him in check. 42:36.062 --> 42:39.604 [SPEAKER_02]: He only had four catches on the afternoon for I think maybe like 20 yards or something. 42:39.624 --> 42:43.007 [SPEAKER_02]: He caught a short touchdown, but he was not a big factor in the game. 42:43.027 --> 42:45.408 [SPEAKER_02]: They even did a good job on Sam Laporta tight end. 42:45.689 --> 42:50.212 [SPEAKER_02]: The guy who wrecked that game for them was Jimmy or Gips and he's an absolute beast. 42:50.252 --> 42:50.752 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? 42:50.792 --> 42:53.875 [SPEAKER_02]: Whether it was out of backfield and the passing game running the football. 42:54.595 --> 42:58.618 [SPEAKER_02]: That spelled the end of their day last Sunday in Detroit. 42:59.219 --> 43:04.903 [SPEAKER_02]: The thing that's interesting too about this kind of chess match, and again, Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson, they know each other, right? 43:05.003 --> 43:09.687 [SPEAKER_02]: They know each other's tendencies very well because they were both coordinators with the Detroit lines. 43:09.707 --> 43:13.110 [SPEAKER_02]: They went up against each other in practice virtually every single day. 43:13.490 --> 43:21.917 [SPEAKER_02]: And one of the players was telling me something in the locker room yesterday, just had a kind of prepare for Ben Johnson and what he will throw at you. 43:23.598 --> 43:31.001 [SPEAKER_02]: If you have him figured out by the end of the first quarter, or you have the offense figured out at the end of the first quarter, second quarter, it's a completely different offense. 43:31.241 --> 43:45.888 [SPEAKER_02]: If you have that figured out, then third quarter he'll give you a completely different offense too, so it's like always a guessing game from a defensive perspective as you're trying to nail down what he wants to do and how he plans to attack you throughout the game, and it's really no surprise because he's got the results to show for it. 43:46.898 --> 44:04.425 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Ben Johnson's been probably one of the favorite things that Chicago Bears have ever done for a lot of us fans just because he does he's won the locker room very quickly, obviously, and to your point I think the Eagles game was example of that the Eagles because they were stopping the run really did I think the bears are only up seven nothing for a while and then. 44:04.825 --> 44:11.950 [SPEAKER_00]: The Philly ended up scoring right over the half and everyone got a little bit nervous and then Ben Johnson came out and was like, nah, we're going to switch things up a little bit. 44:12.230 --> 44:13.571 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get this offense moving. 44:13.591 --> 44:18.855 [SPEAKER_00]: So what are the thoughts as Aaron Glenn spoke on his time with Ben Johnson and that familiarity with him at and Detroit. 44:20.013 --> 44:42.364 [SPEAKER_02]: And I talked about it yesterday too and it's the same thing kind of you know this is now two consecutive weeks last week it was the game leading up to Detroit where Glenn Dan Campbell so you had all that nostalgia now it's Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson it's the same thing there's a lot of respect that certainly he has for Ben and You know you go back and you watch some of the and Aaron Glenn even references to you go back and you watch some of those clips from hard knocks. 44:42.524 --> 45:05.795 [SPEAKER_02]: when the lions run it and you saw some of those battles that the offense and the defense had with each other and how the coordinators were kind of John at one another, you know, it's going to be a fun, fun chess match again on the field because you know, Aaron Glenn you know, took a lot of heat because in the offseason when he decided to take over calling the defensive signals, you know, the the expression he used was, you know, that's my superpower. 45:06.155 --> 45:28.279 [SPEAKER_02]: and a lot of people kind of snicker to that in life because I mean this defense was terrible last year and if it was a super power then why didn't you get involved last year blah blah blah blah well say what you want about Aaron Glenn I mean the defense is light years better than it was last year and they're playing like one of the top units of the NFL so he certainly has made a world of difference when it comes to calling the signals and everything for the defense 45:29.110 --> 45:52.410 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's so I'm including getting rid of some of your best defensive players in trades last year and so seeing improved defense and that definitely says what type of guy he is I think Lions fans are saying that to Lions fans right now we're looking up in Johnson and what he's doing offensively and air and Glenn what he's doing defensively and they're like man we had some of the best coordinators in the league and what happens when you lose those you kind of can see those signs pretty quickly. 45:52.750 --> 45:55.473 [SPEAKER_00]: But Dan, I really appreciate your time chatting with me. 45:55.533 --> 45:57.495 [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully, like you said, it'll be a fun game. 45:57.535 --> 46:04.882 [SPEAKER_00]: I do think these coaches know each other and I think there'll be some fun little moments between the two and these two teams, but I appreciate your time and chat with me a little bit. 46:06.104 --> 46:07.205 [SPEAKER_02]: No problem, Taylor, anytime. 46:07.225 --> 46:08.546 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's hope for a fun one on Sunday.