WEBVTT 00:00.431 --> 00:04.614 [SPEAKER_02]: March, 1956, White Sand's Missile Range, New Mexico. 00:05.355 --> 00:09.157 [SPEAKER_02]: Two Air Force Service Miner sent into the desert to search for down missile debris. 00:09.718 --> 00:13.900 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a routine assignment, nothing unusual, until one man screams. 00:14.721 --> 00:24.427 [SPEAKER_02]: His commanding officer turns to see a silent metallic craft hovering above the sand right before it drags the screaming subordinate airman into the sky, and then the craft vanishes. 00:25.348 --> 00:32.577 [SPEAKER_02]: Days later, the missing airman's bodies found, when investigators discover is so horrifying that it's commanding officers accused of murder. 00:33.558 --> 00:41.988 [SPEAKER_02]: But the injuries sustained, the missing blood, and the inexplicable circumstances all-barinary resemblance to cases of unexplained human and animal mutilations around the world. 00:42.917 --> 00:50.519 [SPEAKER_02]: and according to one former military intelligence analyst, the incident was documented in a classified file that the government still can't account for. 00:51.239 --> 00:53.400 [SPEAKER_02]: Project Grudge, report number 13. 00:54.220 --> 00:59.862 [SPEAKER_02]: Tonight we ask Holocaust, what happened to Sergeant Jonathan Levitt and what is the government hiding? 01:18.181 --> 01:20.345 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you. 02:09.769 --> 02:11.630 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to the Hollis guy podcast. 02:11.730 --> 02:12.490 [SPEAKER_02]: We are your hosts. 02:12.690 --> 02:21.915 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Stephen and Kyle and it's Monday, holocult You know what that means You've chosen us to hang out with you To get you through this work week. 02:22.575 --> 02:23.095 [SPEAKER_02]: You're new here. 02:23.576 --> 02:35.081 [SPEAKER_02]: Me and Kyle like the chit chat a little bit Get through some some housekeeping some business So if you don't want to listen that you can fast forward to about the six minute mark or so And get 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[SPEAKER_02]: We're here. 06:33.641 --> 06:34.881 [SPEAKER_02]: We did the darkest guys episode. 06:34.901 --> 06:37.182 [SPEAKER_02]: I was one of like the first 10 or 15 we did. 06:37.282 --> 06:39.102 [SPEAKER_02]: But I referenced that in here. 06:41.263 --> 06:44.544 [SPEAKER_02]: But today's case takes us to a time before Project Blue Book. 06:45.744 --> 06:55.786 [SPEAKER_02]: And after Project Sign, to a case that was in a set of files in Project Grudge. 06:57.436 --> 06:59.476 [SPEAKER_02]: So, we got to start there. 07:00.397 --> 07:08.278 [SPEAKER_02]: Project Grudge was a short-lived project by the U.S. Air Force to investigate unidentified flying objects, also known as UFOs. 07:09.398 --> 07:09.778 [SPEAKER_00]: Weird. 07:10.518 --> 07:10.818 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 07:11.799 --> 07:18.160 [SPEAKER_02]: Grudge succeeded Project Sign in February of 1949, and formally ended in December of 1949, but it was then 07:26.192 --> 07:49.230 [SPEAKER_02]: Project Grudge was intended to alleviate public anxiety over UFOs and persuade the public that UFOs constituted nothing unusual or extraordinary UFO sightings were explained as conventional aircraft, balloons, stars, planets, swamp gas, meteors, optical illusions, solar reflections, 07:53.620 --> 07:54.361 [SPEAKER_02]: I like that one. 07:54.481 --> 07:59.769 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's that that four mile wide triangle big hail. 08:00.570 --> 08:05.457 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's exact around and then, you know, smashes your house abducts humans. 08:06.038 --> 08:06.779 [SPEAKER_00]: It does that, too. 08:06.799 --> 08:07.380 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 08:08.346 --> 08:26.811 [SPEAKER_02]: Project officials recommended that the project be reduced in scope because the very existence of Air Force official interest encouraging people to believe in UFOs could contribute to war his to a war hysteria atmosphere on December 27, 1949 the Air Force announced the termination of the project. 08:28.071 --> 08:33.492 [SPEAKER_02]: Grudge issued its only formal report in August of 1949, the reports concluded the reports 08:37.843 --> 08:47.056 [SPEAKER_02]: There is no evidence that objects reported upon are the result of an advanced scientific foreign development, and therefore they constitute no direct threat to the national security. 08:47.797 --> 08:53.685 [SPEAKER_02]: In view of this, it is recommended that the investigation and study of reports of unidentified flying objects be reduced in scope. 08:54.657 --> 09:15.310 [SPEAKER_02]: all evidence and analysis indicate the reports of unidentified flying objects are the result of one misinterpretation of various conventional objects two a mild form of mass hysteria or war nerves three individuals who fabricate such reports to perpetrate a hoax or seek publicity four psychological persons 09:17.132 --> 09:22.175 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, so you're crazy person if you saw UFO, but just psyched those. 09:22.475 --> 09:30.140 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the same government that Literally picked up the UFOs in Roswell or say if you see a UFO You're crazy. 09:30.821 --> 09:31.561 [SPEAKER_00]: You're crazy. 09:31.601 --> 09:44.650 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not job You know, and odds are when they Disfunded The project they just renamed it and added way more fucking money to it Something like 09:48.844 --> 09:56.261 [SPEAKER_02]: the recommendation section suggested that Air Force personnel receive basic instructions in quote astronomical phenomena. 09:57.632 --> 10:21.925 [SPEAKER_02]: astronomer and ufologist J. Allen heinek criticized project grudge claiming it was the project of quote less science and more of a public relations campaign project grudge also received criticism from formal intelligence officer Edward J. Ruppett Ruppett who quote convinced who was quote convinced of the alien nature of ufos and how we've seen the military in the uf government trying to discredit the extraterrestrial hypothesis. 10:22.565 --> 10:33.747 [SPEAKER_02]: both hynick and ruffle claimed that the project grudge was quote as far from objective and scientific examination of the phenomenon as one can get. 10:35.908 --> 10:45.650 [SPEAKER_02]: All of that stating leads us to what is quite possibly one of the most terrifying reports that lurks in the shadows of 10:51.422 --> 11:02.458 [SPEAKER_02]: In Project Graduate Report, called Report Number 13, within 13, there is the love at Cunningham case. 11:04.349 --> 11:11.270 [SPEAKER_02]: Grudges 13 reports remain completely unknown to the civilian world until they were disclosed by a man by the name of William English. 11:11.910 --> 11:19.472 [SPEAKER_02]: He was a former Greenbury captain in the U.S. Army eight special forces group, following a tour in 1977 of Southeast Asia. 11:20.152 --> 11:25.673 [SPEAKER_02]: He was assigned to U.S. Security Services, command headquarters at RAF Chick-Sans in England. 11:26.973 --> 11:31.934 [SPEAKER_02]: He came forward in 1991 on a Colorado radio interview, stating 11:33.012 --> 11:37.355 [SPEAKER_02]: quote, RIF check sands was a security listening post. 11:37.735 --> 11:40.817 [SPEAKER_02]: We monitored radio transmissions from Soviet block nations. 11:41.558 --> 11:43.439 [SPEAKER_02]: And those transmissions were translated. 11:43.919 --> 11:51.785 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it was my job to take the information that was obtained and analyze it to try to make a determination as to whether or not the information was factual. 11:52.425 --> 11:56.147 [SPEAKER_02]: Specifically, my job was to analyze whatever came across my desk. 11:56.547 --> 12:04.471 [SPEAKER_02]: I was a data analyst, and I was asked to analyze a document, which came across my desk entitled, Grudge Blue Book Report Number 13. 12:05.092 --> 12:07.673 [SPEAKER_02]: The report itself was about 600 pages long. 12:08.533 --> 12:13.716 [SPEAKER_02]: My job designation was to take information and analyze it for its validity. 12:14.537 --> 12:16.117 [SPEAKER_02]: And on this particular day in June of 1977, 12:18.332 --> 12:26.634 [SPEAKER_02]: The duty officer who brought us our daily assignments, which we signed for, brought this document in a diplomatic pouch and unsealed it there. 12:27.054 --> 12:29.655 [SPEAKER_02]: I signed for it, and I was in my little cubby hole. 12:30.155 --> 12:32.776 [SPEAKER_02]: The document was very much higher than top secret. 12:33.256 --> 12:39.858 [SPEAKER_02]: I believe that there was a reason for me to have been provided with the document, because there were some photographs in it, which I had taken on my 12:41.478 --> 12:42.639 [SPEAKER_02]: tour in Vietnam. 12:43.399 --> 12:57.186 [SPEAKER_02]: This particular the particular photographs that he is referring to Was taken in louse showed the severely mutilated bodies of U.S. Cruman members still aboard a United States Air Force Bomber Supposedly down by UFOs in the early 70s. 12:57.846 --> 13:03.189 [SPEAKER_02]: We won't talk about that case here, but we may swing back around to it because it's also bonkers. 13:04.169 --> 13:07.191 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope so because that is gonna be awesome 13:09.233 --> 13:11.134 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this whole thing is crazy. 13:11.694 --> 13:25.221 [SPEAKER_02]: He continued it, it being grudge 13, clearly stated that these were material that had been recovered from various crash sites around the country and several South American and European nations. 13:25.641 --> 13:29.663 [SPEAKER_02]: It very clearly stated that they were alien origin and not of this earth. 13:30.164 --> 13:36.807 [SPEAKER_02]: After I analyzed the document, I turned to my report as per regulations, signed the document back over to the officers of the day, 13:38.748 --> 13:45.607 [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't discuss our work, you don't talk about things like that, you just sort of mull over it and then you go on with your life as best you're able to. 13:46.621 --> 13:58.104 [SPEAKER_02]: Among some of the most disturbing things in the 600-page grudge-13 document were autopsy reports from hospitals, clinics, and even country doctors in the United States and various parts of the world. 13:58.624 --> 14:06.986 [SPEAKER_02]: These included northern neural mountains of Russia, the 1959 dial-out love passance adent, of human beings being mutilated by extraterrestrials. 14:07.546 --> 14:14.008 [SPEAKER_02]: Which we talk way about way back in episode 72, so you can swing back there, check that out if you haven't got to it. 14:15.268 --> 14:23.152 [SPEAKER_02]: One outstanding case, which I'm going to focus on today, was set in the White Sand's Missile Range of New Mexico. 14:24.273 --> 14:30.135 [SPEAKER_02]: The White Sand's Missile Range is 3,200 square miles, the largest military installation in the United States. 14:30.575 --> 14:41.341 [SPEAKER_02]: It was established in the early 1940s and during World War II, it played a major role in the development of the U.S. nuclear weapons program, culminating in it being the first 14:44.482 --> 14:51.272 [SPEAKER_02]: White Sands was also the first U.S. locations for post-war rocket technology and advancement programs. 14:51.833 --> 14:56.679 [SPEAKER_02]: Being an integral part of Project Paperclip and having German intelligence and technology, 14:57.791 --> 15:14.531 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... and rocket recovery sent there on the regular with all that's going on the nuclear program the rocket's not really that surprising that new mexico has a plethora of ufo reports from the saucer recoveries and roswell and cardona in nineteen forty seven 15:15.272 --> 15:27.862 [SPEAKER_02]: The Zamora Encounter in Sekaro in 67, it should be noted that the military bases in the area Kirkland as well as white sands itself also have more than their fair share of anomalous radar encounters and other UFO activity. 15:28.662 --> 15:40.932 [SPEAKER_02]: Many people would watch the test launches of the missiles at white sands and would note strange lights maneuvering over the missile sites, leading them to wonder if not only to be gathered technology from German scientists, 15:41.863 --> 15:46.167 [SPEAKER_02]: after the war, but also possibly from the downcrafts in Roswell and Cardona. 15:47.248 --> 15:55.956 [SPEAKER_02]: So on a cool March morning in 1956, two airmen were dispatched to look for debris from a possible test missile that was carried out the night prior. 15:56.636 --> 16:00.500 [SPEAKER_02]: Leading them to the field located south of the main white sand's testing grounds. 16:01.490 --> 16:14.016 [SPEAKER_02]: The two men were Air Force Sergeant Jonathan P. Loveett, assisted by major William Cunningham, of the United States Air Force Missile Command, near Holloman Air Force Base located in Alamagordo. 16:14.876 --> 16:18.318 [SPEAKER_02]: At around three in the morning, they pulled up to the area in their Jeep. 16:19.243 --> 16:27.267 [SPEAKER_02]: They get out and they begin sweeping the area with their flashlights, just looking for the missile debris. 16:28.047 --> 16:34.590 [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty routine task, it's been done many times before, pretty much part of their night. 16:35.531 --> 16:37.612 [SPEAKER_02]: As their search carried them away from the Jeep, 16:38.629 --> 16:52.180 [SPEAKER_02]: the two men kind of wandered apart, cunning him was moving in a fairly straight line as he has his flashlight and sergeant, love it temporarily kind of went off to the right over a ridge of the small sand dun. 16:53.221 --> 16:59.787 [SPEAKER_02]: Love it did not mention where he was going to his superior, but he just assumed that he was gonna go take a piss behind a dun. 17:00.785 --> 17:09.788 [SPEAKER_02]: After a few minutes without hearing anything from love it, Cunningham decided to retrace his steps back to the spot where they had separated to see if you could see any sign of it. 17:11.049 --> 17:21.493 [SPEAKER_02]: As he was making his way back, the major was shocked to hear loud, high pitch scream coming from love it, just piercing the silence of the desert night. 17:22.588 --> 17:30.611 [SPEAKER_02]: Counting him reportedly said it was a cry of extreme anguish or fright, so much so that it just echoed through the desert fields that they were investigating. 17:31.312 --> 17:40.155 [SPEAKER_02]: He assumed that love it had been bitten by a poisonous snake, where there was some other sort of animal attack going on, so Counting him sprinted over the sand soon to help him. 17:40.856 --> 17:46.298 [SPEAKER_02]: Instead of seeing love it fighting off a coyote or a snake, Counting him stopped in his 17:49.480 --> 17:59.242 [SPEAKER_02]: about 30 feet away from where he stood, counting him's flashlight being illuminated a strange metallic disc that was hovering about 15 to 20 feet off the ground. 17:59.862 --> 18:01.323 [SPEAKER_02]: He said it was completely silent. 18:01.663 --> 18:06.184 [SPEAKER_02]: No home of an engine, no exhaust, just nothing, silence. 18:06.664 --> 18:10.685 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like nothing he had ever seen in his military or civilian days. 18:11.545 --> 18:20.762 [SPEAKER_02]: As he shining his flashlight on this silver disc, he begins to lower it down to the bottom of the disc, and he sees this weird 18:25.078 --> 18:28.859 [SPEAKER_02]: sort of metallic cable extending from the bottom of the craft. 18:29.399 --> 18:35.061 [SPEAKER_02]: He said it was withering around almost like a snake being held by its tail underneath the craft. 18:35.721 --> 18:41.663 [SPEAKER_02]: As he continues to lower his light down the cable, he hears another scream coming from right below it. 18:42.303 --> 18:49.206 [SPEAKER_02]: He snaps, it snaps him out of this shock as he's looking at the craft and lowers his 18:53.717 --> 19:08.805 [SPEAKER_02]: He follows this long serpentine arm down to love it, whose laying in the sand where the end of this thing is wrapped around the sergeant's legs, and it's dragging him toward the disk through the dirt in the sand. 19:10.535 --> 19:18.457 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's pulling him, he said, love, it was fighting and kicking with everything that he had trying to break the grip of this metal tentacle that was dragging him toward the craft. 19:19.037 --> 19:27.078 [SPEAKER_02]: Eventually just relinting to crawling at the, clawing at the ground to try to get, stopped from being pulled into the disc. 19:28.699 --> 19:35.240 [SPEAKER_00]: Do that would be terrifying sucks to be, it'd be terrifying for both guys. 19:36.525 --> 19:48.959 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I mean, the one guy that's happening to, that's kind of a given, but the other dude witnessing that would just be just asked, terrifying, because this is something that you probably haven't even fathomed. 19:50.521 --> 19:52.803 [SPEAKER_00]: This is out of some crazy ass sci-fi movie. 19:53.384 --> 19:53.644 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 19:55.344 --> 19:55.805 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it does. 19:55.825 --> 19:56.826 [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like war of the world. 19:57.827 --> 19:59.288 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, where they were going to happen. 20:00.369 --> 20:04.113 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would assume both these guys had side arms. 20:05.174 --> 20:06.456 [SPEAKER_02]: You, you would think so. 20:07.297 --> 20:14.444 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'd be, I'd be pulling that out and trying to shoot that damn tentacle sucking me up. 20:14.524 --> 20:15.165 [SPEAKER_00]: That sucks. 20:16.915 --> 20:44.052 [SPEAKER_02]: the way they described it they said all boy was like trying to break it with his fist and trying to get his feet away to kick at it and he just couldn't get away so finally just like turns over and it's just being drug like something out of a horror movie dude that I could not imagine the amount of fear I'd probably have a freaking stroke you know just a fool on heart attack while that's happening because of just 20:44.680 --> 20:48.302 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, that something out of a sci-fi movie, it doesn't happen. 20:48.882 --> 20:49.302 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. 20:49.863 --> 21:04.250 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is arguably the only time I've ever heard a tentacle coming out and grabbing someone, which instantly makes me think of the squid style UFOs. 21:04.851 --> 21:05.111 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm. 21:05.171 --> 21:07.152 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like our head's still reported. 21:07.192 --> 21:07.492 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 21:08.212 --> 21:09.013 [SPEAKER_02]: Harvesters. 21:13.607 --> 21:17.970 [SPEAKER_00]: for quite a time, and it's gross that they have a name called the Arvester. 21:18.410 --> 21:18.750 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 21:19.771 --> 21:20.652 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what they reported. 21:21.072 --> 21:23.674 [SPEAKER_02]: And was Afghanistan? 21:24.294 --> 21:24.534 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 21:25.575 --> 21:30.658 [SPEAKER_02]: Picking up bodies off the battlefield, which is disturbing. 21:31.359 --> 21:31.719 [SPEAKER_02]: Sox. 21:32.239 --> 21:40.004 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's, because I mean, that that just kind of leads credence to the idea that they're running all types of tests. 21:40.324 --> 21:40.685 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 21:45.258 --> 21:58.424 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, at that point Both of major in the captain like they're both in such Horrible horrible scenarios right now Like obviously the guy being pulled into the UFO. 21:58.964 --> 21:59.924 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to be him. 22:00.365 --> 22:07.227 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but you also don't want to be the other guy Watching your buddy get pulled into the UFO one or what like you don't even know what to do. 22:07.508 --> 22:12.870 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't know look like I'm trying to I don't even know 22:14.802 --> 22:31.848 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, because you just see this massive metallic thing in front of you and generally speaking when you, it'd be like, it'd be like seeing some crazy ass tank, you know, and even if they did have side arm, the amount of hopelessness going against the tank. 22:32.835 --> 22:33.335 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? 22:33.636 --> 22:35.657 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know, it's, you know, it's not gonna be good. 22:36.057 --> 22:39.279 [SPEAKER_02]: It would be like, it would be like a caveman going against the tank. 22:39.299 --> 22:41.420 [SPEAKER_02]: Because you don't even know the technology. 22:41.981 --> 22:42.221 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 22:42.401 --> 22:48.565 [SPEAKER_02]: You're looking at this thing that's silently hovering above a missile test base. 22:49.325 --> 22:50.866 [SPEAKER_02]: It isn't supposed to be there anyway. 22:51.887 --> 23:01.693 [SPEAKER_02]: And now it's, now it's pulling, especially in cunning hymns case, he's supposed to be kind of looking out for his subordinates. 23:02.420 --> 23:31.380 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and now your guys getting drug off into the desert by UFO and it almost makes you wonder because of all the other reports that we've looked into and by all accounts everything that we've looked into it seems that at least at a given point in history whenever that may be somehow some way the government always kind of new when UFOs were in the area 23:33.001 --> 23:47.525 [SPEAKER_00]: So it almost makes you wonder if these dudes really got sent out, to find the look for debris, it almost makes me feel like, you know, just 24:01.949 --> 24:03.971 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, a little bit of trading. 24:04.972 --> 24:09.036 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, let's be honest. 24:10.937 --> 24:15.001 [SPEAKER_00]: At a given point in time, even though back then it might actually be easier. 24:15.782 --> 24:22.308 [SPEAKER_00]: But you would think that if that was the case and they were making some type of terrible trade, 24:24.281 --> 24:27.503 [SPEAKER_00]: getting rid of military men is not that difficult. 24:28.143 --> 24:36.267 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you guys, you could say all types of things that we've heard, you don't died in a test, just literally what they could do. 24:36.647 --> 24:39.889 [SPEAKER_02]: Change the paperwork and you, anyone overseas never came back? 24:40.409 --> 24:41.890 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was going to prove you wrong. 24:43.030 --> 24:44.111 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, and it's the government. 24:44.831 --> 24:47.933 [SPEAKER_00]: For some odd reason, people always believe the government. 24:48.547 --> 24:51.469 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which is the last people you should be believing. 24:52.209 --> 24:53.270 [SPEAKER_00]: I absolutely agree. 24:53.550 --> 25:03.757 [SPEAKER_00]: So, unfortunately, for these two individuals, that in my opinion, could fully be the case is that they just sent these guys at the slaughter. 25:05.038 --> 25:06.018 [SPEAKER_00]: Just see what would happen. 25:06.479 --> 25:08.220 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, there's some weird shit out there. 25:08.240 --> 25:09.701 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just send them out there and see what happens. 25:10.101 --> 25:10.861 [SPEAKER_02]: That's bad news. 25:12.864 --> 25:34.652 [SPEAKER_02]: So the major's watching this happen, and he's just frozen in Horde, staring dumbfoundedly at this metal club tentacle, whatever you want to say, dragging his friend fast or faster and faster toward this UFO, watching, love it, just hopelessly struggle at the end of it. 25:35.814 --> 25:49.814 [SPEAKER_02]: And he just watches him get drug into the craft that as soon as he gets into there, it shoots up vertically and disappears into the night sky without a sound. 25:50.054 --> 25:51.897 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, it's pulls him in. 25:53.078 --> 26:00.001 [SPEAKER_02]: I, he said, I didn't put it in my notes, but from what I was reading, he said it pulled him into the bottom of the ship. 26:00.582 --> 26:10.966 [SPEAKER_02]: It made a quiet metal like clasping sound, like metal on metal closing, and then without a sound, it shot up into the nice guy. 26:11.547 --> 26:21.051 [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that it shot up into the night sky would be, I think for me would be when the true definition of hopelessness set in. 26:21.275 --> 26:46.172 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like any of that point, you're just like, what did I just see because at first you're definitely feeling hopeless because it's just this metal structure dragging your friend or your subordinate or whatever, and then all of a sudden, it does the literal impossible on top of the impossible that you've already witnessed and it just zips off into the sky to wherever. 26:48.004 --> 26:51.288 [SPEAKER_00]: I would legitimately be like, oh, my god. 26:51.589 --> 26:52.249 [SPEAKER_02]: Some more bad. 26:52.269 --> 26:56.434 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what a, like, like, like what do I do? 26:56.955 --> 26:57.896 [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't even know what to do. 26:59.178 --> 27:04.124 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be like, I would be thinking, no one at base is gonna fucking believe this. 27:04.785 --> 27:05.165 [SPEAKER_02]: No one? 27:06.487 --> 27:06.707 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 27:08.005 --> 27:33.181 [SPEAKER_02]: Cunningham then stumbled toward the Jeep that they brought out to the desert and radioed mystical, mystical, mystical control for assistance yelling the love it had missed a gun yelling that love it had been taken within minutes every available security team arrived only to find the major was so emotionally distraught that he was just huddled near the Jeep rocking back and forth. 27:33.981 --> 27:38.884 [SPEAKER_02]: They took him to white sands to base dispensary and kind of put him there for observation and treatment. 27:39.504 --> 27:44.367 [SPEAKER_02]: No one could make much sense out of what he was talking about, except that love it was nowhere to be found. 27:44.888 --> 27:57.615 [SPEAKER_02]: And Missile Control did confirm that an unidentified radar contact was near the base at the time love it had vanished, but it had been moving too quickly for any action to be taken against it. 27:58.896 --> 27:59.296 [SPEAKER_00]: Weirds. 27:59.877 --> 28:00.397 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 28:01.766 --> 28:08.769 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and if that's the case, too, why didn't they, I don't know, warning the guys that are out in the desert. 28:10.249 --> 28:12.570 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hey guys, there's a UFO out there. 28:13.451 --> 28:14.871 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe don't get stuck. 28:14.931 --> 28:16.212 [SPEAKER_02]: There's some unknown. 28:16.232 --> 28:23.175 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, object going through our airspace currently, be on the lookout. 28:23.595 --> 28:28.917 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, instead they're like, no, go go look for some, go look for some trash in the desert. 28:30.860 --> 28:55.681 [SPEAKER_02]: uh search parties then went into the desert the following days looking for love it covering miles of the range to know a veil kind of you imagine seeing the drag marks no that would be awful that would be awful awful that would be so bad 28:58.031 --> 29:01.035 [SPEAKER_00]: because that's like a new dose of reality. 29:01.556 --> 29:01.976 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 29:02.958 --> 29:06.683 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you go back, you know, because there'd be a part where you're like, this is this is can't be real. 29:06.803 --> 29:07.564 [SPEAKER_00]: It just can't be real. 29:08.065 --> 29:10.809 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you go back the next day and you just see the drag marks. 29:12.051 --> 29:12.271 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 29:15.435 --> 29:19.576 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything, well, I mean, for coming here, everything changed anyway. 29:20.356 --> 29:27.757 [SPEAKER_02]: Witnessing that, but then being like, yeah, we saw as a bunch of finger, finger, drags in the desert, I'd say I'm getting a fuck out of here. 29:28.217 --> 29:36.099 [SPEAKER_00]: This absolutely has single handedly like renewed my fear and extra trust for you. 29:36.219 --> 29:38.079 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's so disturbing. 29:38.479 --> 29:40.580 [SPEAKER_02]: They thought, I don't like it's so disturbing. 29:40.600 --> 29:42.340 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's been a long time since we've, 29:43.627 --> 29:48.309 [SPEAKER_00]: covered like a hyper malicious extraterrestrial event. 29:48.569 --> 29:53.170 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm in the throes of about three of them right now. 29:53.250 --> 29:54.591 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the one I got done first. 29:55.391 --> 29:59.412 [SPEAKER_02]: There's another one that I'm working on that all so sucks. 30:00.213 --> 30:04.594 [SPEAKER_02]: And then a third one, if I can get enough out of it, all so sucks. 30:08.065 --> 30:14.771 [SPEAKER_02]: So obviously, he's back, cutting him's back at white sands, his subordinates gone. 30:15.391 --> 30:17.653 [SPEAKER_02]: Two men went out into the desert and one man came back. 30:18.233 --> 30:20.876 [SPEAKER_02]: So clearly, they're putting cutting him through the ringer. 30:21.696 --> 30:23.518 [SPEAKER_02]: Question him about what happened. 30:23.938 --> 30:34.447 [SPEAKER_02]: Goes on for three days until one of the search parties find love its corpse about 10 miles down range. 30:37.950 --> 30:43.093 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you're squeamish, tune out, that's your warning. 30:45.114 --> 30:49.737 [SPEAKER_02]: His autopsy, when he got back to the base, was nothing less than shocking. 30:50.678 --> 30:53.279 [SPEAKER_02]: It revealed that his body had been severely mutilated. 30:54.080 --> 30:58.122 [SPEAKER_02]: That the likes had no one from the air or their forced base had really seen before. 30:58.763 --> 31:06.608 [SPEAKER_02]: A precise incision running from just under the tip of his chin extended all the way to the back of his esophagus and larynx. 31:07.357 --> 31:16.801 [SPEAKER_02]: The tongue had been pulled out through the bottom of his jaw and removed, along with a portion of his jaw was also missing. 31:18.281 --> 31:19.542 [SPEAKER_02]: Love it was castrated. 31:20.182 --> 31:26.044 [SPEAKER_02]: His penis removed, his eyes were surgically removed, and his anus was cord out. 31:27.785 --> 31:32.726 [SPEAKER_02]: In the Air Force Medical Examination Report, the coroner commented that the surgical 31:35.292 --> 31:45.236 [SPEAKER_02]: in the removal of these organs, writing that the anus in the genitalia had been neatly extracted like a plug, and in the case of the anus it extended all the way into the colon. 31:46.077 --> 31:51.579 [SPEAKER_02]: The sergeant's corpse had been drained of every single last drop of blood. 31:52.259 --> 31:58.462 [SPEAKER_02]: Strangely, it showed no indication of vascular collapse due to death by bleeding. 31:59.162 --> 32:09.108 [SPEAKER_02]: This was anomalous because vascular collapse invariably results when a human body expires as a result of the severe bleeding, or at a complete blood loss. 32:10.109 --> 32:20.096 [SPEAKER_02]: As far as decomposition goes, the body was in surprisingly good condition, despite being in one of the hottest and harshest environments in the US. 32:20.656 --> 32:24.819 [SPEAKER_02]: From all indications, the cadaver had only been exposed to the elements 32:29.167 --> 32:53.131 [SPEAKER_02]: Where it had been for the extra day in between, obviously cannot be determined, they could have also appeared to have reached a fatal degree of toxicity because it was reported that when security's team discovered it, it was surrounded by a number of dead predatory birds that had fallen over dead after trying to consume some of the flesh. 32:58.830 --> 33:00.430 [SPEAKER_00]: We've heard a lot of this other places. 33:00.650 --> 33:00.990 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 33:01.251 --> 33:10.772 [SPEAKER_00]: I know I've specifically, I've heard before, about the incision under the chin, the tongue being pulled through, the jaw bone, the blood. 33:11.653 --> 33:13.713 [SPEAKER_00]: Like all of it is cattle mutilation 101. 33:13.953 --> 33:16.834 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which I don't know exactly what. 33:17.394 --> 33:19.654 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly what we get into and just a little bit. 33:19.834 --> 33:27.516 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's, it's, I don't know, it's, it's so, it's, it's disturbing on another level. 33:29.242 --> 33:34.453 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it really, it really makes you wonder. 33:38.550 --> 34:00.435 [SPEAKER_02]: what what these things are doing because they it I say it later on it's like it's like there's no compassion or empathy or or humanity in these things the way that they're just like the way we were just like test subjects you know like they don't consider us at all 34:01.135 --> 34:16.586 [SPEAKER_00]: And what is even more interesting outside of, you know, there are several theories that could potentially explain it away, but like you mentioned earlier about the harvester, you know, over an afghanistan and the rumor that they were taking bodies off the battlefield. 34:17.907 --> 34:25.453 [SPEAKER_00]: You would think that even in this case, over 50 years, they would have a reason to stop. 34:27.380 --> 34:33.344 [SPEAKER_00]: running data collection experiments on us because, you know, 50 years long, fucking time. 34:34.124 --> 34:37.947 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's obviously something that they're still looking to explain. 34:38.427 --> 34:41.589 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's different races doing the same shit to us, who knows? 34:42.670 --> 34:50.775 [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, in the other hand, it makes you wonder if there are testing us through periods of time. 34:52.901 --> 35:12.715 [SPEAKER_00]: anticipating an evolution event, seeing maybe like what what our changing environment does to us maybe, because from a from a invasion military standpoint, we haven't changed. 35:13.656 --> 35:17.459 [SPEAKER_00]: No, all the same things would apply other than maybe, 35:19.246 --> 35:23.187 [SPEAKER_00]: our resistances to some diseases. 35:24.207 --> 35:27.328 [SPEAKER_00]: Outside of that, we're the same. 35:27.588 --> 35:37.831 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we have the exact same weaknesses we did 50, 60, 70, 80 forever ago, where the weaknesses are different, you know, the same I mean. 35:37.931 --> 35:41.833 [SPEAKER_00]: And feeling that it would be different and are possible resistances to things. 35:43.713 --> 35:46.954 [SPEAKER_00]: Or like I said, they're waiting for some type of evolutionary event. 35:49.050 --> 35:49.610 [SPEAKER_02]: in us. 35:50.131 --> 35:50.411 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 35:51.992 --> 35:52.853 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know. 35:53.833 --> 35:58.056 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they're just assholes and psychopaths. 35:59.672 --> 36:05.654 [SPEAKER_00]: wanting to mix our like we heard with the events want to mix our DNA with other things to create other things. 36:05.894 --> 36:07.454 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, look at Serpo. 36:07.514 --> 36:25.759 [SPEAKER_02]: They had an entire lab full of not just humans, but biological specimen from all across the galaxy that they had they had been testing on and splicing and doing all sorts of like so much of that the humans were like, this is bad. 36:26.439 --> 36:27.680 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is beyond 36:30.263 --> 36:30.823 [SPEAKER_02]: terrifying. 36:31.204 --> 36:55.478 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and we've we've heard about predatory birds and vermin attempting to consume what's left of the the corpses and and getting sick and die and or even to the point where they don't touch it, like in cattle mutilation, you know, normally the cow dies the bones eventually are picked clean, but a lot of these just aren't. 36:56.528 --> 37:13.034 [SPEAKER_00]: a couple of things today, today, which you may get to, and if you do, I'm gonna apologize, but did they ever run a toxicology report to figure out what made it so toxic or scanned it for radiation or not that I found in a few sources that I found on this? 37:13.934 --> 37:22.497 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, do you know, will you have, like, what was it, like, 37:23.532 --> 37:25.832 [SPEAKER_00]: where their vessels would collapse. 37:26.053 --> 37:30.453 [SPEAKER_00]: Does that happen if the blood is drained or only if they bleed out? 37:32.454 --> 37:36.675 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't know. 37:37.675 --> 37:51.518 [SPEAKER_02]: Because for it to be an anomaly, it almost makes me feel like, but then again, he did have massive, he did have massive wounds. 37:53.150 --> 38:09.264 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would have caused that that would insinuate to me, and I'm medical professional, that aside from all the wounds being categorized, they would have removed the blood prior to removing the body parts, right? 38:09.344 --> 38:18.833 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if he died of massive blood loss from, say, the coring or the the incision of the neck, his veins would have collapsed. 38:19.181 --> 38:23.114 [SPEAKER_02]: It almost makes a sound like the blood was removed and he was kept alive. 38:27.018 --> 38:39.171 [SPEAKER_02]: Because they would have pumped and unknown fluid into his, yes, it says, they said, the vessels didn't collapse as if he bled to death. 38:39.591 --> 38:49.081 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's almost seems like they're had to still be pressure going through right to keep the vessels, which is kind of my next question is what did they pump in him? 38:49.421 --> 39:08.375 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was just even probably so long way that you would be able to pull it off is kind of like an exchange rate or as the blood's coming out you're pumping something in to keep the veins from collapsing and there there are reports of which could have resulted in the toxicity as well 39:08.919 --> 39:16.903 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're reports of cattle mutilation where when they come up on the mutilated animals, it smells medicinal there. 39:17.823 --> 39:27.988 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it could be something they pump through the veins to, I don't know if keep them alive or if there's something, I mean, it could be as something as easy as getting the blood all flushed out, you know. 39:28.888 --> 39:31.450 [SPEAKER_00]: For his sake, I hope that it doesn't keep them alive. 39:31.550 --> 39:32.110 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope that it. 39:32.130 --> 39:32.750 [SPEAKER_02]: Me either. 39:32.770 --> 39:33.811 [SPEAKER_00]: What's him down. 39:35.578 --> 39:45.163 [SPEAKER_00]: because I would not want to be awake for the strategic removal of all my body parts. 39:45.864 --> 39:53.028 [SPEAKER_02]: So with love, it's a body now recovered, coming him as immediately arrested and charged with the subordinates murder. 39:53.448 --> 39:54.929 [SPEAKER_02]: The charges being brought forth. 39:57.430 --> 40:08.080 [SPEAKER_02]: by a prosecutor and a military tribunal stating that Cunningham had murdered love it, fake the alien abduction story and the mutilated his corpse to make the story more convincing. 40:08.100 --> 40:15.707 [SPEAKER_02]: I, however, obviously as Kyle just said, the charge is fell through with almost no repercussion at all. 40:16.148 --> 40:20.211 [SPEAKER_02]: Cunningham was released without charge and allowed to leave the air force not long after. 40:21.212 --> 40:29.983 [SPEAKER_00]: That comes from pure human irresponsibility, fear, need in somebody, need in an answer. 40:30.624 --> 40:36.732 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it just, you know, there was that one asshole that heard the story and goes, yeah, right. 40:37.212 --> 40:39.075 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pressing charges against this moron. 40:39.653 --> 40:42.134 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it like dude, come on. 40:42.294 --> 40:45.536 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you really think he had the tools out there to do a rectal core? 40:45.556 --> 40:49.619 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't even know what tools you need to do rectal core. 40:49.679 --> 40:53.401 [SPEAKER_00]: Me, but I'm just saying, like, come on. 40:53.421 --> 41:03.486 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, let's use, and not to mention the doctors are saying, hey, this is the fact that he's completely, like, utterly and completely drained of all blood. 41:04.307 --> 41:05.908 [SPEAKER_00]: It is confusing us. 41:06.628 --> 41:08.269 [SPEAKER_00]: You're right, this guy figured it out, though. 41:08.613 --> 41:16.990 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and where was he for the day to two days that he was not in the elements while you had cunning him at the base being interrogated? 41:17.351 --> 41:17.511 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 41:18.789 --> 41:19.610 [SPEAKER_00]: it's so stupid. 41:21.752 --> 41:30.161 [SPEAKER_02]: As we kind of stated, I'm going to get into the injuries love it sustain or eerily similar to injuries often seen in the flaps of cattle mutilations across northern America. 41:31.122 --> 41:32.563 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to talk about that for a little bit. 41:32.663 --> 41:40.171 [SPEAKER_02]: Cattle mutilation is the killing of mutilation of cattle and livestock under supposedly unusual, usually bloodless circumstances. 41:41.032 --> 41:49.161 [SPEAKER_02]: Reportedly removed parts often include ears, eyeballs, jaw flesh, tongue, lymph nodes, genitals, and rectum. 41:50.302 --> 42:00.093 [SPEAKER_02]: Reports began coming in the late 60s and continued well into the 80s, in that era, mutilations were the subject of multiple independent investigations across the United States. 42:00.854 --> 42:06.719 [SPEAKER_02]: The earliest known documented outbreak of unexplained livestock deaths occurred in 1606. 42:07.459 --> 42:22.651 [SPEAKER_02]: Quote about the city of London and some of the shires adjoining, whole slotters of sheep have been made in some places numbers over a hundred, and others less, where nothing is taken from the sheep but their talo and their inward parts. 42:23.071 --> 42:25.993 [SPEAKER_02]: The whole cargases and flees still remaining behind. 42:26.809 --> 42:51.769 [SPEAKER_02]: The outbreak was noted in the official records of the court of James I of England, Charles Fort collected many of these accounts of cattle mutilation that occurred in England in the late 19th and early 20th century, so it is not necessarily a new phenomena, which is adding to what Kyle said, if they're studying us biologically, they've been doing it for 42:53.590 --> 42:57.472 [SPEAKER_02]: How many, at least 500 years to the damn sheep and shit? 42:58.612 --> 43:14.600 [SPEAKER_00]: And you would think, like in what you just described, I don't know about all the parts, but I feel like a lot of the parts that they're taking are would be massive data points in the human body. 43:15.761 --> 43:18.782 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the lymph nodes, the tongue. 43:18.942 --> 43:20.383 [SPEAKER_02]: They all have to do with your senses. 43:21.410 --> 43:23.628 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, in much sight, taste. 43:25.298 --> 43:34.921 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's, it's where a lot of data would pass through, like, you know, even your genitals, you're going to have your way, go through their procreation, go through there. 43:35.721 --> 43:36.142 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 43:36.222 --> 43:41.864 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, your blood holds a lot of key information to us as a species and your body. 43:42.624 --> 43:47.605 [SPEAKER_00]: And then your rectum once again, you're going to have a lot of waste in, in filtering that goes through there. 43:48.186 --> 43:51.567 [SPEAKER_00]: Your lip nodes, all that stuff, like, there's a lot of data centers. 43:52.287 --> 43:54.227 [SPEAKER_00]: that are being removed from the human body. 43:54.488 --> 43:56.348 [SPEAKER_00]: Are they, you know, animal in the human body? 43:58.348 --> 44:02.949 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's, it's almost like, to me, I don't feel like it's them studying something. 44:02.969 --> 44:04.450 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like they could just keep coming back. 44:05.010 --> 44:15.192 [SPEAKER_02]: They keep coming back for, they found something that they either need or enjoy or whatever they got going on, but they just keep coming back. 44:16.452 --> 44:18.573 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of in a greens with that. 44:19.769 --> 44:22.831 [SPEAKER_00]: outside of my theory of their way to for an evolutionary event. 44:23.471 --> 44:24.371 [SPEAKER_00]: Outside of that. 44:26.032 --> 44:26.813 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't see them. 44:26.833 --> 44:33.216 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see the, like forever running experiments, just a running experiment. 44:33.596 --> 44:36.958 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, especially doing the same stuff over and over again. 44:37.411 --> 44:37.631 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 44:37.651 --> 44:41.293 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know another famous one. 44:41.313 --> 44:43.833 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if we talked about it. 44:43.853 --> 44:44.594 [SPEAKER_02]: We may have talked about it. 44:44.674 --> 44:46.915 [SPEAKER_02]: I know we've talked about it, but I don't know if we'd done a case. 44:46.935 --> 44:53.737 [SPEAKER_02]: Snippy the horse when we've all probably heard about happening Colorado on it was kind of the 45:05.433 --> 45:14.303 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to say community, but I like the lack of a better term, but on September 9th, 1967, Agnes King, Anderson, Harry reportedly found the dead body of their three-year-old horse. 45:14.924 --> 45:17.587 [SPEAKER_02]: The horse's head and neck had been skinned and defleashed. 45:18.448 --> 45:21.691 [SPEAKER_02]: The body displayed cuts that the king looked very precise. 45:22.352 --> 45:26.537 [SPEAKER_02]: No blood was at the scene and according to Harry, there was a strong medicinal odor in the air. 45:27.861 --> 45:41.649 [SPEAKER_02]: The peak of these live stock mutilations hit in the 70s and in the 80s, ranging from Iowa to Kansas to Nebraska to Colorado, New Mexico Brazil, you name it there were there was a wave or a flap of cattle mutilations. 45:42.330 --> 45:47.973 [SPEAKER_02]: He's include all sorts of weird anomalies related to the cases. 45:48.553 --> 45:56.137 [SPEAKER_02]: some of them more than a few had strange on mark helicopter scene in the area. 45:56.938 --> 46:02.741 [SPEAKER_02]: People were getting phantom calls by the USDA asking if they could check their herds out. 46:02.761 --> 46:08.665 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, when they would double check with the USDA to confirm they're like, no, we're not sending anybody out there. 46:09.785 --> 46:24.691 [SPEAKER_02]: People were reporting mad butchers cutting up their cattle, satanic cults, Helloary and Adviker gangs, all sorts of stuff to where if we dive into cattle mutilations, it's gonna be crazy. 46:24.972 --> 46:28.573 [SPEAKER_02]: But like I said, that's as a whole another future episode. 46:29.173 --> 46:32.895 [SPEAKER_02]: I only bring it up because of the parallels it shows to the injuries levels to stain. 46:35.143 --> 46:44.636 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, as we've talked about earlier, love it hasn't been the only case where we've seen possible mutilation that went beyond livestock. 46:46.414 --> 47:10.180 [SPEAKER_02]: covered way back, as I mentioned in darkest skies episode, a few different human strange death simulations, one of them being the Billings reservoir case in Brazil, in which an unidentified man's body was founded a reservoir with his eyes, ears, lips, tongue, organs, genitals removed with precise incisions. 47:11.040 --> 47:14.545 [SPEAKER_02]: For size two inch holes were made in each side of the victim's chest. 47:15.045 --> 47:20.412 [SPEAKER_02]: Internal organs and muscles have been removed via the holes so much so that the chest cavity had collapsed. 47:22.555 --> 47:23.055 [SPEAKER_02]: It is... 47:24.773 --> 47:28.694 [SPEAKER_02]: stated that he was probably alive during the mutilations. 47:29.395 --> 47:32.696 [SPEAKER_02]: There was no blood in his body, and there was no decomposition. 47:33.476 --> 47:38.698 [SPEAKER_02]: No signs on the body that there was any struggle or any sort of restraint when this was going on. 47:39.498 --> 47:48.581 [SPEAKER_02]: Leak Dostopsy photo points to advanced techniques and tools being used, no witnesses in the area, but there was a UFO flap and multiple sightings in the area. 47:49.718 --> 48:09.630 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... local carrying impreditors refuse to feed off of the corpse you can actually find the released photos of this man on the internet preceded with caution because brazil 48:11.645 --> 48:19.449 [SPEAKER_02]: wanted to get to the bottom of it so much so that they they didn't kind of like beat around the bush like the United States did when the ship was happening. 48:19.929 --> 48:22.551 [SPEAKER_02]: It was happening over there they're like, this is what we got help us. 48:24.172 --> 48:32.516 [SPEAKER_02]: So and it is it's it's it looks it looks surgical like it's it's crazy. 48:34.842 --> 48:41.884 [SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that it's it's right in line with the same thing that happened to love it's something's going on. 48:42.584 --> 48:51.166 [SPEAKER_00]: It's nuts that they have evidence that would suggest that they did this while the person was still five. 48:52.147 --> 49:00.649 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would like I wish they would explain that more as to why they thought that I'd also like to understand why 49:02.827 --> 49:06.711 [SPEAKER_00]: a scientific force would do that? 49:08.253 --> 49:10.115 [SPEAKER_02]: You'd almost think that they would be testing. 49:12.409 --> 49:18.132 [SPEAKER_02]: pain reaction pain threshold, but they said there was no signs of struggle or restraint. 49:18.172 --> 49:22.115 [SPEAKER_02]: So you almost, you'd either, you'd almost have to be out of it, put under. 49:22.655 --> 49:23.295 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sedated. 49:23.375 --> 49:24.216 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm totally agree. 49:24.396 --> 49:24.636 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 49:25.357 --> 49:35.363 [SPEAKER_02]: Or, or paralyzed in the case that I'm also working on my ADHD's got me doing like seven, I'm at the same time, but in the case that I'm also working on. 49:36.323 --> 50:00.890 [SPEAKER_02]: whatever whatever the creatures are that that man in that case is dealing with almost complete like not almost they completely took over his body they were making him do things that he had no control of that sucks which could fall into here if you can't move or control your own body they're going to do whatever they want to you and you're not not going to be any signs of fight 50:02.637 --> 50:12.720 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it would suck if it was suck to be in that rare situation where your coherent you can feel everything but you're essentially just trapped in your own body. 50:12.800 --> 50:15.540 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like as it's like can sort of a zombie syndrome. 50:16.180 --> 50:18.121 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like you can't do anything about it. 50:18.501 --> 50:21.522 [SPEAKER_00]: You can you can feel everything, but you're just trapped. 50:22.202 --> 50:22.402 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 50:24.087 --> 50:35.735 [SPEAKER_02]: Another one, eight years earlier, was the case of two boys in Brazil, named Abel Boro, and River Mar Fiera, sorry if I messed those names up. 50:36.175 --> 50:39.918 [SPEAKER_02]: There, again, been a strange flap of UFO sightings in the sky. 50:40.518 --> 50:44.181 [SPEAKER_02]: When one night, the boys were out hanging out, and they saw one. 50:45.062 --> 50:51.006 [SPEAKER_02]: This UFO, they saw shot a beam of superheated light at the boys, where, uh, 50:53.045 --> 50:57.449 [SPEAKER_02]: Ferriera managed to escape, but Boro was engulfed in the light. 50:58.350 --> 51:03.014 [SPEAKER_02]: Ferriera ran to go get help and returned with local authorities where they found Boro's body. 51:03.395 --> 51:11.803 [SPEAKER_02]: It had been completely drained of blood and the autopsy showed that he had no sign of organ failure or cardiovascular collapse, same as love. 51:13.808 --> 51:23.132 [SPEAKER_02]: Another in 1979 happened in the Jerome area of Idaho when two deer hunters hiked up upon their remains of a man. 51:23.613 --> 51:27.474 [SPEAKER_02]: His corpse was naked and mutilated, his lips, and sexual organs were missing. 51:28.215 --> 51:37.319 [SPEAKER_02]: The post-investigation found his clothings and personal items discarded in the middle of a field, a mile away, or miles away from where his body was found. 51:37.959 --> 51:46.003 [SPEAKER_02]: his death was ruled as quote drunken misadventure and the man was written off as a vagrant whose body had been disturbed by animal predation. 51:48.744 --> 52:05.553 [SPEAKER_02]: So again it's it's almost like it's almost like the US just kind of want to wash their hands of it like you know the less we got to deal with this the better and circling back to cutting him 52:07.530 --> 52:27.640 [SPEAKER_02]: he was, you know, a prominent decorated military figure why would he toss his military career away by making up some goofy alien abduction story and murdering his subordinate. 52:30.082 --> 52:31.003 [SPEAKER_00]: make no sense. 52:31.463 --> 52:41.088 [SPEAKER_02]: And if and if he was this mastermind of a killer that faked this whole scenario and got away with it, why didn't he continue? 52:43.129 --> 52:55.195 [SPEAKER_02]: Also true, you know, but it boils down to like essentially there's like we said there's something out there that's either that has 53:00.097 --> 53:08.202 [SPEAKER_02]: to put it under a broad umbrella, an interest in the biological life on planet Earth. 53:09.803 --> 53:10.884 [SPEAKER_02]: Do we know why? 53:10.904 --> 53:13.546 [SPEAKER_02]: No, do we know what they want? 53:13.946 --> 53:26.834 [SPEAKER_02]: No, all we know is that they have the means and the technology to single out and neutralize their victims without having to really do 53:30.405 --> 53:39.631 [SPEAKER_02]: kind of lack the compassion and humanity and empathy to preserve the lives of their scientific test subjects. 53:42.213 --> 53:45.635 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because you interesting thought here. 53:48.597 --> 53:57.343 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, if they were just looking for scientific data, I wouldn't they just fucking lounge around and hang out till people died and then just took that body. 54:00.385 --> 54:23.620 [SPEAKER_02]: see this possible they could totally do it you ain't you ain't got to cut the bottle out of a lot of a living being you don't have to do that no that's unnecessary unless you're testing pain threshold pain thresholds fear we hear that a lot they feed off the fear and that could like 54:24.998 --> 54:28.099 [SPEAKER_00]: That could get, you're talking my heart attack stroke level for years. 54:28.179 --> 54:36.861 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that could get, real, the things they're doing could get real bad, especially, especially if the person is being kept alive through all of this. 54:37.441 --> 54:44.083 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, that's the worst feeling ever. 54:45.084 --> 54:48.965 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the idea that you're being kept alive sucks. 54:49.325 --> 54:50.165 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so disturbing. 54:53.129 --> 54:56.882 [SPEAKER_02]: But this, this is what I got for this episode. 54:56.983 --> 54:58.267 [SPEAKER_02]: It kind of brings us back. 54:59.410 --> 55:14.653 [SPEAKER_02]: two project, Rudge report number 13, because it seems as if the United States government has been keeping tabs on these cases, because as William said, there were reports from the year old mountains with the outlaw. 55:14.893 --> 55:16.013 [SPEAKER_02]: There was this case. 55:16.053 --> 55:22.974 [SPEAKER_02]: There was the case that he had pictures from and louse with the the strata fortress in the middle of the jungle. 55:24.414 --> 55:26.315 [SPEAKER_02]: And it also seems 55:29.295 --> 55:51.183 [SPEAKER_00]: at least speculated accounts of this happening on a, I'm going to use this word loosely, but like a mass level, like dial off, like what there being reported in Lousy, where it's more than one individual, where they're just taking, you know, seven, 10, 15 people at a time and being like, we got Joel. 55:51.563 --> 55:55.085 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because that was, look at some of the medallations in dial out love. 55:56.090 --> 56:07.062 [SPEAKER_02]: Like there was there was tongues missing there there was a I remember correctly one of the victims had like their breast cut off and like some weird shit right yeah yeah and 56:08.844 --> 56:11.526 [SPEAKER_02]: This is where it gets real sussie, real sussie. 56:11.566 --> 56:18.350 [SPEAKER_02]: And it muties the water in the U of Fology community because a lot of people don't think this ever happened. 56:19.190 --> 56:26.634 [SPEAKER_02]: Because if you go digging, you can't find any evidence that Levits are counting him ever existed or worked in white sands or Alamagordo. 56:28.195 --> 56:29.696 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no evidence. 56:29.816 --> 56:30.117 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, 56:33.819 --> 56:50.194 [SPEAKER_02]: that, as right, or as William said, this is beyond top secret because if you go and look through the project, grudge files, files one through 12 have been declassified. 56:50.995 --> 56:51.915 [SPEAKER_02]: You can find them. 56:53.016 --> 56:58.962 [SPEAKER_02]: And since then, they've added a file 14, which is also declassified. 57:00.816 --> 57:04.039 [SPEAKER_02]: The file 13 file 13's nowhere to be found. 57:04.539 --> 57:09.283 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, why would you have one through 12 and 14 if there's no fucking 13. 57:10.344 --> 57:13.526 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I would bet you money right now. 57:15.748 --> 57:19.851 [SPEAKER_00]: That dude got clipped and disappeared. 57:21.913 --> 57:22.594 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not alive. 57:22.694 --> 57:23.514 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, coming in. 57:24.195 --> 57:24.415 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 57:26.398 --> 57:45.655 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because there's no there's too much there's way too much liability in that man just think about the the amount of mental anguish You were gonna live the rest of your life You know what I mean like you yeah There's way too much to explain away when it comes to that man 57:45.943 --> 58:12.013 [SPEAKER_02]: And interestingly enough, as I was doing my research, I was looking into people that had researched this case, somebody did find a cutting him by the exact same name that was in a different branch of the military, almost like they did it to even confuse it even 58:14.974 --> 58:25.141 [SPEAKER_02]: They would be like, there's no way he was a white sands in the air force because he was over here with the army, you know, so it's, it's weird. 58:25.922 --> 58:29.064 [SPEAKER_00]: I would be shocked if that dude was alive. 58:29.404 --> 58:29.604 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 58:29.864 --> 58:30.785 [SPEAKER_00]: I would be shocked. 58:31.966 --> 58:33.427 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 58:33.447 --> 58:35.749 [SPEAKER_00]: They probably, I'm with your line of thinking. 58:36.309 --> 58:40.492 [SPEAKER_00]: They probably just made up a person created a backstory for him. 58:42.038 --> 58:48.641 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, he's with the Navy and, you know, is that the other and or in the army or whatever the case may be? 58:49.882 --> 58:56.806 [SPEAKER_02]: It would be easy to make people, it's easy to make people go away, especially if they've spent their entire lives in the military. 58:57.366 --> 58:57.606 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 58:57.946 --> 58:59.007 [SPEAKER_02]: You can make up stories. 58:59.027 --> 59:00.228 [SPEAKER_02]: You can write stuff off. 59:00.848 --> 59:01.068 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 59:01.988 --> 59:02.748 [SPEAKER_00]: to this sucks. 59:03.709 --> 59:10.351 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I used a bunch of different sources that I found this beyond creepy did a great episode on it. 59:10.411 --> 59:11.332 [SPEAKER_02]: You can go check that out. 59:12.272 --> 59:18.515 [SPEAKER_02]: The book, the government UFO files and the conspiracy have cover up by Kevin D Randall. 59:19.075 --> 59:25.317 [SPEAKER_02]: Also some information in military encounters with extra terrestrials real war, the world by Frank Joseph. 59:27.300 --> 59:34.264 [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of weird, weird cases, all along these lines and those few books there. 59:35.965 --> 59:52.113 [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, Aileen of Docs Immunulation, hidden in Project Grudge report 13, might circle back around to this, if I can get enough meat out of that aircraft incident, which is interesting. 59:53.334 --> 59:55.275 [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully I can get a case out of it. 59:57.180 --> 59:58.680 [SPEAKER_02]: Let us know what you think, Colour Cole. 01:00:00.861 --> 01:00:02.341 [SPEAKER_02]: Shoot us some comments. 01:00:03.362 --> 01:00:03.882 [SPEAKER_02]: Let us know. 01:00:05.382 --> 01:00:07.423 [SPEAKER_02]: But on that note, gonna wrap it up. 01:00:08.543 --> 01:00:11.524 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for hanging out with us again on this wonderful Monday. 01:00:11.544 --> 01:00:13.844 [SPEAKER_02]: Hope everybody's having a good day. 01:00:14.824 --> 01:00:16.745 [SPEAKER_02]: Get through that work we keep pushing. 01:00:18.102 --> 01:00:22.466 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for hanging out with us, check out the socials, be sure to share this show in every other show release. 01:00:22.546 --> 01:00:24.468 [SPEAKER_02]: Go back and let's see those ones I referenced in here. 01:00:25.008 --> 01:00:30.253 [SPEAKER_02]: They're from the very beginning, so they're not probably that great, but you just lose to him anyway. 01:00:30.753 --> 01:00:30.974 [SPEAKER_02]: Fine. 01:00:32.155 --> 01:00:44.446 [SPEAKER_02]: And till we meet again, stay safe, stay weird, there's a boy said, don't trust the aliens, or they will core out your anus, not the planet.